Imperium Asunder

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>>49978987
>>49975071
mmmm. Neapolitan or Caramel

>>49975261
pic related

>>49978987
Oh I had an idea for pre-heresy Oathsworn.

While their vanilla marines are the bulk of the legion, like many other legions they had their specialities, for them it was the gene-corps, admittance into one of these corps was not based on skill, knowledge, or experience, instead the corps offered positions to Astartes based on their personalities and demeanour.

>Black Dragon Corps
Astartes accepted into the Black Dragons underwent extensive gene-structuring. Their bone enhanced beyond even Astarte levels, rumours suggesting they become as strong as adamantium. These changes not only increase their durability, but allow them to rapidly grow their bones, to the point that they can project bones from their limbs (typically fingers, fore-arms and knees) which they then sharpen and use as weaponry. Truly skilled Dragons claim even to be able to 'shoot' bone shards up to 50 metres accurately.

Recruit aggressive members

>Wolf Scout Corps
These Battle Brothers are enhanced with pronounced canines and enhanced senses, most notably smell, sight, and hearing. They are deployed almost exclusively as forward scouts, and as hunter-killer teams able to track down enemies through scent and maintain observation without compromising their own positions. They often develop thick manes of fur over their bodies which changes from red to grey as they age. "Greymane" being a common term for veteran Scout.

Recruit dour and solitary members

And idk 4 more, I figure 6 corps would be suffienct to add abit of flavour.

Or is this too on the nose

>>49979432
I think it's a bit too on the nose, but definitely a good concept to work with.
I like them having cool augmented guys and also some weird experimental augments.


Also could someone repost those prompts?

Working on that Xun-Faustus crusade.

>First Contacts
Some 90 years into the crusade, Imperial fleets enter the area beyond the Maelstrom. Ignoring warnings from the Eldar, an explorator fleet enters Hrud space and is destroyed by the Hrud.
Meanwhile, a detachment of Oathsworn make planetfall on a minor preindustrial world. They are surprised to find the leader is a Primarch. They depart, telling the Primarch to prepare.
Faustus is sent to rendezvous with XIIIth legion forces.
Faustus is in a hurry to begin the war against the Hrud and so eschews a more circumspect approach. Instead, his flagship hangs low in the sky over Tepectitlan and Stormbirds descend on plumes of fire to the surface of a world that only recently discovered Iron. Flanked by gold clad custodians and his own silver clad honor Guard, Faustus introduces himself to Xun and informs him of his duties among the stars. Xun sees that Tepectitlan is cared for in his absence and joins Faustus. Imperial personnel find a well run civil bureaucracy that adapts well to the Imperial technology.
>>49979521
> What role would your primarch have fulfilled in the Imperium post-Great Crusade?
> If your loyalist Primarch had been a traitor, what would have made him turn?
>What would he be up to in the Dark Imperium?
> If your traitor Primarch had been a loyalist, what would he have done after losing the Heresy?
>What would have made him stay loyal?
> What would the name of your primarch's autobiography be?
> Primarch's favorite ice cream?

Might also be good to come up with some more 40k characters.
>>49979432
Would the Silent Knights be part of this?

>>49979738
>Forgot about Silent Knights
YES

>Silent Knights Corps
Astartes who are implanted with warp nullifying genenic enhancements allowing them to project a Null Aura, destabilising warp-energies in the nearby vicinity and disrupt the minds of witches, it also enhances physical attributes significantly, however as with all things, The flame that burns Twice as bright burns half as long. And these Astartes are known for having a significantly reduced lifespan, the eldest having lived just short of 3 centuries, and at his demise, being physically drained and slow of mind.

Recruits: Stalwart and stoic personalities

Can Chaos Warbands of different gods emerge from the specific aligned legions?

>>49979896
Sure.

>>49979785
>>49979432
Less on the nose description and names pending.

>Leviathan Corps
These astartes, if you can even call them that, are hulking giants, many as large as a Primarch, they are the epitome of brute force. They have strength enough to tear armour plating off of tanks, bend the barrels, and hurl them some distance. They are so large in fact, that they cannot wear normal power armour, making them somewhat more vulnerable despite their enhanced frames. As with many of the Gene-corps there gifts do not come without a price, and for all their physical strength, a leviathans mental alacrity is severly hampered, making them blunt but effective instruments of war.

Recruits: Direct and Decisive Astartes.

>Salamander Corps
Modified to survive INFERNO 3 Class worlds, these astartes develop blackened leathery skin and red glass like eyes. They are all but immune to heat, able to survive the heat of reentry (still requiring a method to avoid the critical impact though!) They often take to battle with the most powerful flame and heat based weapons available, able to utilise them in ways normal battle brothers would be unable to, being immune to their secondary heat. As the Salamander Corps Astartes age, their leathery skin begins to harden into a biological stone, slowing their reflexes and movement, and eventually petrifying them wholesale. As they petrify they also become vastly less durable to conventional weapons, stone being significantly weaker than astartes flesh and bone.

Recruits: Passionate and Tempermental Astartes

>>49980175
So, in a nutshell, the Salamander Corps are OU Salamanders with drawbacks?

>>49979896
I wrote up a warband of Bloodhounds that worship Nurgle and Khorne. Nobody had a problem with that.

>>49980592
Ref "Wolf Scout Corps and Black Dragon Corps" for your answer.
The answer is yes.

>What role would your primarch have fulfilled in the Imperius post-Great Crusade?
Aodhán is relatively certain that he and all his brothers would have served no purpose and been purged in a post-Great Crusade Imperium. If that didn't happen, however, it's likely that the Emperor would continue to use him the same way - i.e. he'd be pointed at powerful enemies he needs dead before anyone looks too closely at them. His image would also have propaganda purposes.
>If your traitor Primarch had been a loyalist, what would he have done after losing the Heresy?
It's likely that he wouldn't have retreated and would wind up dead a few days after the fall of Terra. If he survived he could very well end up doing the same thing he's done now eventually, just attacking the Dark Imperium more often.
>What would the name of your primarch's autobiography be?
Paradise Discarded.
>Primarch's favorite ice cream?
Amaretto and hazelnut. With chocolate sprinkles.

I'm actually reposting this prompt, because I suprisingly like the answers:

> What role would your primarch have fulfilled in the Imperium post-Great Crusade?
> If your loyalist Primarch had been a traitor, what would have made him turn?
> If your traitor Primarch had been a loyalist, what would he have done after losing the Heresy?
> What would the name of your primarch's autobiography be?
> Primarch's favorite ice cream?

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Doing some Protectorate Realm Guard because they don't have any.

>Echo Protocol
The gears of the Protectorate are multitudinous in number and labyrinthine in function, comprised from the workings of a thousand worlds. To most of these worlds, Echo Protocol are a myth. To the enemies of the Protectorate, they are a solemn, deathly shadow, striking as sure as lightning and with twice the lethal speed.

Selected from the hardened veterans and most promising recruits of regiments from across the Protectorate's holdings, the potential guardsmen of Echo Protocol are subjected to a regime of harsh training, surgical modification, and esoteric cognitive enhancement on the shrouded worlds of the Eidolon System. The results are terrifying to behold - the soldiers of Echo Protocol function with the cold, rhythmic efficiency of emotionless automatons, their focus and physical capabilities sharpened to the very height of what the human body can achieve without a total genetic overhaul. Equipped with advanced pulsed-plasma carbines derived from the cooperative and innovative approach to technology within the Protectorate, moderate servo-enhancers, and chameleonic camo-paint, Echo Protocol regiments are assigned to tackle the most dangerous and subversive of foes, trained to disregard all known codes of conduct and niceties of war preached as standard practice in Kor's domain.

>>49982371
Often, this involves battle against the forces of Chaos, or other similarly insidious threats, but Echo Protocol saw wide deployment during the conflict between the Kor Protectorate and the Imperium Minorum, assigned to missions too perilous or harrowing for the capabilities of most mortals, including massacre of civilian populations on Minorum worlds with high industrial capacity.

The exact cognitive enhancements and genetic treatments employed by Echo Protocol are top secret, but it is reported that its operatives seem strangely difficult to focus on and perceive, especially for psykers, and many soldiers feel distinctly uncomfortable in their presence. Though highly effective, these modifications come at a cost. Most Echo Protocol soldiers must adhere to strict medicinal and dietary requirements, and the strain the effect of their enhancements have on interpersonal relationships - added to the fact that they cannot discuss their work or its nature in any way - often results in uniquely lonesome individuals. Counseling and psychological health is a constant concern for the division, and its soldiers have a tendency to 'burn out' before retiring naturally.

>>49982371
>>49982380
I like it. They're an interesting parallel to Corps 0.

Quick bump

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>Mirandan Mobile Infantry
Known colloquially as the 'flyswatters', the Mirandan Mobile Infantry regiments are a prime example of Protectorate military doctrine at its most effective, their basic structure having been deported widely and used as the base pattern for how many Protectorate armies function.

As a result of its many heresies against the radiant will of the Emperor, the Protectorate has achieved a level of engineering and technological sophistry a head above that of its neighboring states, and this is reflected in its standard military doctrine. Eschewing the ancient, attrition-based tactica of the Solar Auxilla and most modern Realm Guard, Mirandans deploy in smaller, more mobile units, almost always ready to redeploy via several patterns of skimmer transports and fliers. Well equipped with advanced lasgun variants, reinforced carapace armour, and coordinated targeting systems built into their helmets, the Mobile Infantry use an abundance of drones and call-in precision strike tactics - more often than not, squads are dropped as spotters for a missile launch rather than to hold ground, and depart once their primary target has been destroyed. This lack of reliance upon attrition tactics and emphasis on quality over quantity has afforded the Mirandan Mobile Infantry and other regiments in the same vein a high level of training, if not necessarily a matching abundance of discipline.

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>>49983925
The division boasts a devil-may-care attitude to military protocol, embodying the old adage that war is chaos, and its soldiers are often excitable and rowdy. They are noted to refer to their long-ranged, airborne ordnance as the 'freedom delivery system', and the act of disproportionate shelling as 'total liberation.' Whether this is a serious sentiment or entirely in jest seems to vary from trooper to trooper.

Miranda is an Agri-World nestled close to the northern edge of the Protectorate, coming under direct threat from Hive Fleet Kraken during its initial incursion. Much of the planet has been devastated by orbital object drops made by the Hive Fleet's bioships, propelling vast asteroids at its population centers with enough force and regularity to decimate what was once considered its northern hemisphere. It is no surprise, then, that the Mirandan people have a special grudge reserved for the Tyranid hordes, and they have become particularly adept at countering foes that rely on overwhelming weight of numbers to win the day.

Would you like to know more, citizen?

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>>49983925
>>49983936

>>49982026
> What role would your primarch have fulfilled in the Imperium post-Great Crusade?
Same thing he did already, worming in a lab curing diseases and improving the human condition

> If your loyalist Primarch had been a traitor, what would have made him turn?
Probably not traitor against the Emperor, just the chance to kill REDACTED.

> What would the name of your primarch's autobiography be?
FUCK THE WARMASTER: How I alone never betrayed the Emperor.

> Primarch's favorite ice cream?
Vanilla is the best flavor

>>49984720
Gee, I wonder who this could be.

>>49983925
>>49983936
>the Protectorate are space murricans

Kek.

>>49984720
>>49984874
In this case I managed to understand who it was for, but I have to repeat my request for requent posters to start namefagging, just to prevent any confusion.

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>>49983988
I can't stop. Please send help.

Also, checkerleckered.

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>20 legions done
>Heresy done
>13 crusades done
>all major xenos races accounted for
>several side campaigns done

Is there anything left to do other than putting stuff on a wiki? Things are getting real slow.

>>49985483
We don't actually have a huge amount of fluff for everyone in M42.

Also have we done all the Crusades?

>>49985483
new au when?

>>49985722
https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Imperium_Asunder_Campaigns#Great_Crusades

>>49985722
I really haven't done a lot more than broad strokes for the Undying Scions in the Great Crusade. If anyone wants to help me out with that it'd be greatly appreciated.

>>49979738
>>49982026

Prompts
>Post Crusade
Gengrat would have been a tech guy. Perhaps even getting around to some civilian tech.

>What would he have done after defeat
He'd have gone East and established a state.

The rest really gets into why he turned in the first place.
I'm thinking the issue with Gengrat is twofold. First off, he's got those machine spirits in his MIU. The problem is that military machine spirits are belligerent and even though he can keep them in check, he has that as a constant drone in the back of his mind.
The other thing is that he's got that machine cult which strips the protections from the Admech path. There's a reason you don't go poking about in crazy archaeotech. The fact that Gengrat was as normal as he was is a testament to his iron will.
Even then, he wasn't a complete bastard, he loves and cares for his sons, albeit in the coldest, most Hannibal Lecter way possible.
So what happened?
Part of it was Terrodyne. On Terrodynethe price of survival is the blood of the weak. You herd abhumans and prisoners in front of Godzilla as screaming distractions long enough, it fucks with you.
Gengrat could have been caring like Vulkan, but never on Terrodyne.
Then there's the corrupted AI of Xana II and elsewhere, suggesting to him the doctrines of Tzneetch.
This bit is critical, since it justifies his rebellion. The Emperor created something great, then stagnated by suppressing the warp. Gengrat is there to set free the truth. It wasn't the Emperor's fault, the universe wasn't ready for true greatness. As a result, Gengrat is quite glad that the Emperor ascended. It's what he deserved. Now he can struggle with Tzneetch for dominance for all eternity.
Gengrat could conceivably "go loyal", but he sees the struggle of the Emperor and the Changer of Ways in terms of Tzneetchy dogma. Again, Gengrat would die happy if one of his sons got it together and overthrew him and replaced him with something better.

>>49982026
>What role would your primarch have fulfilled in the Imperium post-Great Crusade?
Sarco probably would have been some kind of enforcer primarch.

>If your loyalist Primarch had been a traitor, what would have made him turn?
By far, the main thing that made Sarco stay loyal was his interment in a dreadnought. If he hadn't, it would have been a simple task to convince him to join the Warmaster and Chaos.

>What would the name of your primarch's autobiography be?
Unyielding. Unwavering. Undying.

>Primarch's favorite ice cream?
Black Cherry.

>>49985483
There's a lot more detail and character work to do. I'm particularly interested in primarch interactions during the crusade, but that's more the subject of short stories than done in threads and frankly it's that time of the Semester and I can barely get words together for a story.

Also there's some legions I still don't have all that clear a picture of.

>>49986116
Cont.
Gengrat doesn't think there's much chance of his sons overthrowing him though because he's not suppressing any truth.
This would sadden him, but he's really enjoying all the progress everyone is making including his own work on his endless forge.

>what would have kept him loyal?
A different home world, like Nocturne.
Adherence to Machine Cult safety protocols.
Not being insane.
Making friends with regular humans?
Chilling with Vulkan in the forge.
If Gengrat had known Vulkan, he would not have fallen.
Sinistrum is a cool guy and all, but he's an adept of the Mechanicum.
Faustus is too much a scientist and not an artist.
Xun dabbles in the forge, but he's got too much inner turmoil to help Gengrat.

Probably the best thing would have been to have Gengrat help out with the Webway project or chill with the Terrawatt Clan beneath Narodnya, but nobody thought of that and it wasn't really feasible. Even then, Gengrat only ventured into treachery when invited.

Instead, Gengrat's loyal buddy is the guy who has nuclear artillery.
Whoops.

>>49986273
>Also there's some legions I still don't have all that clear a picture of.
such as?

>>49986273
>There's a lot more detail and character work to do. I'm particularly interested in primarch interactions during the crusade, but that's more the subject of short stories than done in threads and frankly it's that time of the Semester and I can barely get words together for a story.
also yeah i have midterms this week so I have written fuck-all.

>new ads on the bottom of the page
It's not just me, is it?

>>49986427
Which legions need to be explained more?

Also. These new ads are cancer.

>>49986427
>>49988539
I still don't have a good vision of how the Thunder Hammers actually fight.
The Fists need characters, as do the Iron Hearts.
I have a whole bunch of things I want to write about but haven't had the time.

>>49988921
Storm hammers?

The are mechanised heavy infantry.

Razorbacks, land raiders, filled with tact marines and supported by vindicators and predators.

They pelt the enrmy with fire breaking down their walls, then they drive over their trenches and collapse them, having the defenders be buried alive. Only then do they charge out bolters firing. Cutting down the defenders in a hail of death.

>>49988921
Armoured fist.

Lots of assault weaponry, breaching shields, and terminator armour. Razorbacks all over the place. Storm Hammers combat doctrine is like playing chicken with your enemy by bolting as much metal as possible to your car, taking your hands off the steering wheel, and hoping that the sheer weight of your vehicle just krumps straight through your foes'.

>>49989702
I actually don't see them having more terminators than the usual legion, just lots and lots and lots of armour. Land Raiders, Predators, Razorbacks etc.

>>49989967
Aren't the Fists of Mars the tank Legion?

IIRC the Storm Hammers' thing is getting their heavy infantry into combat quickly, not having lots of tanks.

>>49985802
Anyone?

Writing up stuff for the Black Orders of the Sigilite.

Were the Ordo Malcador the Inquisition types or the Grey Knight types?

>>49990042
I'll help, though I may have to log off for a bit pretty soon.

What kind of campaigns do you want them to be involved in during the Great Crusade?

>>49990019
FoM to me where the -we are also the mechanicus- legion.

So yeah tanks, but also those robots walkers and junk like that.

Could be wrong.

>Ordo Malcador
Don't recall ever reading about this Ordo, Odd name for sure.

>>49989114
AFAIK this description is inaccurate, it's more like >>49990019

The Storm Hammers fight by applying overwhelming force of bodies and firepower at the enemy at the start of a battle, and tend to peter out and potentially lose if engagements become prolonged. They also integrate regular human squires directly into their squads of Astartes.

Put simply, a Storm Hammers assault is a metric fuckton of heavily armored dudes running up, firing bolters and hammering you in melee, hoping to cripple you with a single overwhelming attack.

>>49990149
>>Ordo Malcador
>Don't recall ever reading about this Ordo, Odd name for sure.
That's the Abbots

>>49990063
I really need to flesh out what exactly they were doing against Mor-ioh'i that got Sarco all fucked up in the first place, and then the hunt for Mor-rioh'i afterwards. Aside from that, It'd be cool to see what the Scions got up to during Sarco's absence and their transition from space tarzans into ancestor-worshipping dreadnought fetishists.

>>49990173
Oh I just thought they were called Abbots. I didn't realise they were an Ordo anything.

>>49990263
More broadly it refers to the astropathic beacons themselves as well as the Imperial Senate and Terra Nova.

>>49990212
It could be one of those derpy situations where the Eldar try to warn the Emperor of something, and he says the high gothic equivalent of "DON'T SPEAK TO ME OR MY CHILDREN EVER AGAIN" and sends one of his kids to kill them.

And then [insert thing] they warned him about totally happens.

>the Emperor of Mankind, everybody

>>49990303
So the phrase Ordo Malcador refers to 3 very separate things?

Well thats not confusing at all.

Speaking of Great Crusade era stuff.

The Emperor often sent Aodhán to kill terrifying threats that he wanted as few people as possible coming into contact with. As a result he has some of the most solo hours killing stuff without his Legion or only with small retinues from it. What kind of trippy adventures did the Primarch embark on in the Emperor's name?

>>49990368
"Shit Malcador made" doesn't have the same ring to it

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So, do the Custodes in Exile still have their advanced technology such as the Caladius?

And have they shared that technology with any of the Crusader States?

>>49990401
No and No.

If they are in exile they would be stripped of everything and told to gtfo.

>>49990429

Surely the Custodes left Terra with more than just their armour and Guardian Spears?

>>49990454
I see what you're saying now.

The Custodes as we know them aren't called the Custodes in Exile. They are just the Custode. I thought you were referring to some who had later been exiled.

The Custodes who guard the Senate and Terra Nova have just about what you'd expect them to have on Terra. Just less of it, and no the same means to reproduce it.

They certainly don't share their crap though.

>>49990454

"Dude, the Emperor just croaked. What now?"

Valdor re-tied his mohawk. He totally had an idea. "I totally have an idea," he said. The Custodes looked on expectantly. "Here's what we do. We run away."

Many helmed heads nodded. This seemed a wise course of action.

"Good idea,"

'Hush." Valdor frowned at the interruption. "But I think we should leave behind our jetbikes, Caladius, Hover-Rhinos - pretty much all anti-grav technology, really - as well as our bikes, attack bikes, and pretty much anything else we've used so far."

Fewer helms nodded this time. "Dude," said Amon, "we might need all that stuff. Some of that stuff is rad."

"Nah, I've made up my mind. Let's just go."

"But..."

"Let's. Just. Go." Valdor waved the Emperor's Power Claw. Its scythe-blade fingers made clickety-click sounds.

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>>49990491
>scythe-blade fingers made clickety-click sounds.

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>>49990491
This is already the best writefaggotry in this AU.

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>>49990491
>He totally had an idea. "I totally have an idea," he said.

>>49990331
The part where Sarco gets 'noughted is supposed to be concurrent with Ullanor. I wrote that Engerand is there too so I hope nobody minds that. What would the Eldar warn the Imperium about? The heresy in general?

>>49990750
>I wrote that Engerand is there too so I hope nobody minds that
Ullanor only had 9/18 primarchs present so it's perfectly reasonable.

>>49990750
Maybe they just try to tell a bunch of the Primarchs about Chaos simply because someone's predicted that ignorance of the basic concept is going to go badly.

Emps catches wind of it and sends Sarco and Engerand to wreck their shit before they can meet up with [insert Primarch] and nudge them into discovering stuff.

>>49991129
>[insert Primarch]
Sounds like a job for Oramar

>>49990491
This is a good point. How about this:
They do take a bunch of it with them, some of the surviving artificers, etc. Malcador secures a Forge for them and also has components produced under licence/as taxes from different states.
So Alexios makes the anti-grav motors and things since he's making it anyways, etc. The Custodes assemble it themselves.

>>49991129
>>49991238
Or heck, just let the Eldar succeed. They tell Oramar and it goes horribly, horribly wrong.

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>>49991782
I love it when things go horribly, horribly wrong

>>49991782
I dunno, the Eldar trying to warn Emps and his huuuuuuge ego making it a completely pointless gesture is kind of a staple of Heresies.

>>49992219
Sure, but they usually do it through the medium of a Primarch. Besides, this Emperor generally seems not to be that much of a dick.
Also it's more disastrous if part of eat triggers the heresy is the Eldar trying to avert it.

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>>49992325
>this Emperor
whoa now

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>>49992325
>Besides, this Emperor generally seems not to be that much of a dick.

"So, son, I know I said I'd accept you for who you are and not purge you and your disgusting mutant sons, but now that I know you have an awesome metal heart that makes you genuinely better than standard Space Marines, I'm afraid that promise means shit all. Say hello to Balthasar for me."

>>49992961
To be fair, I wrote up one of the initial versions of that and in Pargashtan Grendel's fluff and I'd said that the Emperor had promised keep them until they found their primarch, in hopes that he could stabilize them. If they still couldn't be saved, they'd be granted a good death in combat. Just turned out they were using archaeotech, which the big E hasn't mentioned.

We can change it, but I like the unintentionally broken promise.
The Emperor had figured they'd either be beyond saving and be granted a good death, or they'd be salvageable and serve well. Win-win.
Then they did the thing he'd figured it was better not to mention.
Whoops.
But on a lesser scale than say... Angron.

>>49992961
He also probably did some funky shit with Sarco when he got injured, too. He wasn't exactly the most loyal primarch at that point in time.

>>49990382
That's a really cool thought. How about he takes on some sort of non-euclidean pseudo-Ctan. The whole thing would look like the Witch sequences in Madoka.

>>49989114
>>49989702
>>49989967
>>49990019
>>49990166
Interessante.
So the composite is a hard hitting hammer of a legion, but we're not quite sure how to achieve that.
What about things like Vindicators, Drop Pods, and Terminators. Akin to a Star Phantoms? type set of tactics, with drop pod dev squads. The Sky hammer formation would be typical tactics, throw in some terminators and you'd basically have them?
Catch is that they tend to do set piece battles, with drop pods and deep strikes playing a large role. Means that they strike and then have to reset. Their Armored divisions are slow hammer vehicles rather than a mobile mechanized warfare kind of deal.
Sound good?

>>49986273
>Gengrat's Book
He'd probably write a stage drama or opera.
The Sound and Fury?
Metamorphoses?

>>49994715
I think vindicators, predators, and land raiders coupled with drop pods.

They drive forward bombarding enemies into dust. Then unload their boarding shield wielding tactical marines. The drop pods carrying short range devastators, or thunder hammer carrying assault marines. They krump and the krump, but if their attack is somehow withstood, it leaves them in a bad bad place. But when they win they roll straight onto the next guy, momentum is their greatest strength and their biggest weakness.

>>49994715
>>49995050
The wiki says their tanks often have close range tesla weapons.

So would those be modded Predators or modded Razorbacks?

>>49995050
>The drop pods carrying short range devastators, or thunder hammer carrying assault marines

I imagine they have a particular designation for Marine squads armed with Thunder Hammers and Storm Shields. It's probably their signature unit.

>>49996642
Actually, I think if I were to design a unit like this, they'd at base have Storm Bucklers granting a 4+ Inv that could be upgraded to proppa Storm Shields, and Power Mallets or something of the like that let them smash through 3+ saves. Thunder Hammers would be an optional upgrade to represent how difficult to manufacture they are.

Basically, they'd function like Incubi with an Inv save.

>>49996517
>razorbacks with sparking tesla coils fucking up anyone that gets close
>bay doors open and 10 space marines and a handful of squires pour out
>they fuck up your dudes with stormhammers and chainswords
>they mount back up and move on the the next enemy

I dig it

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So, should the Imperium Minorum and the Protectorate have something like the Caladius or the Hover-Rhino?

The IM seems to love zoom zoom and the Protectorate seems like it should have skimmers based on the fact that there's technological innovation going on within its borders.

Maybe they have something like pic reclated as a transport/tank? Or maybe they have walkers to demonstrate their fundamentally different approach to war from the other Crusader States?

>>49998139
Hey the Vigil has walkers.

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>>49998419
Ah, yeah.

Walkers that aren't coffins/postboxes.

These adds at the bottom really are cancerous, shit.

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STATS.

Is this Storm Hammer enough?

>>49999312
4chanX seems to block them, but they still show up on mobile.

>>49999568
I don't seem to be able to see them on anything.

Which is cool.

That said,

>captcha asks for mountains
>select mountains
>nope
>what the fuck
>try again
>nope
>whaaaaat
>try randomly
>image of lake gets me through

For fucks' sake.

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>>49999600
That's not even the worst of it.

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>>49999312
>he doesn't use adblock

>>50001859
>he doesn't use ublock origin
I think 4chanX blocks the ads anyways.

>>50001859
I'm on my phone, bruh. And that AdBlock phone browser doesn't work for me.

>>49998139
Nooope. They can havr regulat rhinos just like every onr else

>>49996695
>>49997055
Sexy.

>>49996517
Probably have a smaller one for the Razorbacks and a bigger one for the Predators, though desu, I see them more as the vindicator sort over predators, perhaps mounting a mechanicum lightning cannon on a Vindicator.

>>49998139
I think that makes a lot of sense. By M42, Kor will have access to Devilfish, even if the Exodites never help him with Falcon type fiddly bits and no other Xenos have anti-grav tech. The Angels, meanwhile, have the technology and the tendencies.

The sense I get with this setting is that we all have massive 30k boners. These legions have the industrial capacity to keep advanced technology in production. What we're likely to see, then, is a crazy division between the really high end shit and what everyone else gets. Basically elite formations get the crazy awesome stuff while guardsmen just get the regular flack jacket. It's that whole Tau supply chain thing.

>>50004030
By which I'm thinking that the reason the Tau can have such nice things is because the Tau industrial engine is scaled to the size of the Empire. The OU imperium has too many dudes and worlds and not enough forges, so they get buy mass producing less intensive products, like Las guns instead of Pulse Rifles.
The difference here is that these states have less distance on their supply lines and a higher forge to force ratio. They also have more efficient distribution because of those smaller distances and tighter central command. As a result, it looks more like a Tau supply chain than an OU imperium supply chain.
The thing that prevents major progress, then is eternal war. But that's why I would argue that these guys should have better tech, since despite the initial hit in specialists from the heresy, they've got unity going for them.

>>50004030
>all have massive 30k boners
Not all of us. Its actually really grating that everyone seems to be so into sucking the 30k dick of random technology.

Like you guys made the storm hammers and now they cant even have a razorback or vindicator without spamming Lightning based weapons.

Its literally a fan wank version of the space wolves riding wolves wearing wolf pelts.

Like a theme is cool. Force feeding random change to fit it isnt

.>>50004197
I dont see how you can get a setting where factions are somehow better off despite having none of the advantages that the OU grants the Imperium. The only thing going for these factions is like you say more condensed habitation. But that doesnt answer the increased difficultly in resources, warp travel, politics etc

One bump before I'm going to bed.

If there is any legion of primarch that needs to be expanded upon is the Silver Spears and Kashaln. Maybe it's because the wiki page is pretty empty, but I just can't get a read on those guys. I might be completely wrong on this, but I get the impression Aodhán and Kashaln are somewhat similar personality wise, is that correct? I also don't see how the Silver Spears are supposed to be the Slaaneshi legion.

>>50006065
I think the main thing about the Silver Spears is that they're the Legion that functions most like an ancient army. They prefer massed infantry tactics and value specialization over versatility - rather than having tactical squads, they have bolter squads, for example. A Marine of the Silver Spears masters his art of battle to the utmost degree and achieves victory through strict discipline and working in tandem with other specialists. This obsession with martial perfection is one of the ways Slaanesh worms its way into the heart of the Legion.

They also have a strong oral tradition and see themselves as warrior princes; paragons of high culture and warrior virtue. Their internal Lwgionculture is based upon the deification of the warrior role, not for the deeds of individuals warriors (though personal glory is valued), but for the inherent superiority they see in the lifestyle of a soldier. Kashaln and his Legion believe that warriors should be adored because they are inherently superior; their relationship to their civilian charges is one of aloof noblesse oblige. Warriors fight, everyone else adores and serves them as recompense for it.

This is obviously pretty counter to how the Emperor saw things, and the idea that he serves mankind rather than the other way around was what Kashaln ultimately couldn't accept.

Bumperino

>>50006744
I think they'd make for an interesting group to have loyalists from. I imagine they'd be incredibly obnoxious, the kind of guys who do the right thing for all the wrong reasons.

>>50004685
That's fair. We should probably line things up from time to time to make sure there's not that sort of wolf wolfing.

I'd argue that the states have a massive advantage because they are unified. They have a single legion calling the shots with a Primarch or a legion command giving the orders. They also have a powerful incentive for internal unity in the form of Chaos. To me, these look like the sort of conditions that make Japan industrialize over the course of 60 years or get Germany to design its railways to transport troops to the front in record time.
This said, I prefer my flavor of grimdark to be that these notional improvements just make the war and misery that much more destructive. Yes it's more efficient, but that just makes that many more corpses. I'm also a fan of WWI and am bringing that to the setting. YMMV.

>>50006744
Sure, so they're a Legion of super specialist. Marines focussed on one specific task, and no generalists. And they're crazy proud and and think they're the greatest, which is what ultimately brings them to Slaanesh. Cool.

Still, I don't have any idea of what Kashaln himself is actually like. How did he interact with his legion and his brothers?

Also, don't ask me why, but I decided to continue what I started last thread, pointlessly assigning battle themes for the Primarchs.
Yeah, a lot of it is by the same guy, but I love his stuff, so eh.

>Balthasar
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Whpo3lYRmA

>Raydon
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=koZ-PElLONU

>Marcus
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=abDg6kuUscM

>Kashaln
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CRtEkRM2WwE

>Oramar
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M4vJn0IikkQ

>Engerand
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NJGo2fmUAII

>Enoch
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-3rGO2WhZGg

>Graha'nak
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M-7T7E3hnbc

>Faustus
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xyxOXjZHl9U

>Anders
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x4EYacZM7vY

>Saul
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wsaLjlS_Z2o

>Alexios
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lc0vVWkqCmo

>Xun
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=us7B2QZt98s

>Gengrat
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YOarI2EwHLY

>Anshul
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y2FOthYQD-I

>REDACTED
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t0I4mTEdAf8

>Rubinek
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HqdtF_Qf24k

>Sarco
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oghnkKz3-ZA

>Aodhán
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eME0i92-_bw

>Klaus
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yKi4e8IlR1Q

>>50010893
I don't know a huge amount about Kashaln, but from what I've seen he was incredibly aloof and magisterial, even toward his sons - in fact, more than any other Primarch, he saw them as his servants rather than extensions of himself. It's telling that he had no set honor guard or retinue, but Marines that had excelled in battle could have the opportunity of standing/marching several steps behind him or carrying his banner during ceremonies and demonstrations (which were something he had a particular fondness).

He seems like a fastidious perfectionist, as demonstrated by how he's constantly mentioned to be impeccably groomed, and most likely had a lot of harsh words for his brothers and their failings. It is generally understood that he absolutely loathed Anders.

>>50010964
>Sarco's theme
Is this before or after interment?

>>50011955
It's got that jungle vibe, so probably pre-internment. It fits either way imo, even in his Dreadnought, he's still !Tarzan.

>>50010893
What would you like to know?

>>50012482
Pretty much anything. How does he talk to people? Which brothers did he like, which ones didn't he like? How does he interact with regular marines of his own legion, how does he acts towards other legions? Just anything that gives a better idea of who Kashaln is and how he fits into the universe.

After that, it should probably be added to the wiki.

>>50012872
>Which brothers did he like
He did not have any real friends amongst the primarchs before the Heresy started. He always secretly admired Alexios the most, and he had at least a modicum of respect for all of them except Kor. Early on, he thought he would be able to connect well with Klaus, but that fell flat quickly. It was only after the sundering of the Imperium that Kashaln was actually able to connect with one of his brothers. Ironically enough, it was Balthasar. The fact that their rivalry is not fueled by unending hate pisses their respective gods off immensely.

>which ones didn't he like
Sarco, Gengrat, and possibly Rubinek and Raydon could see through Kashaln like paper. Of these, only Gengrat took the effort of trying to publicly deconstruct him. Their catfights and actual fights became the stuff of legend, but Kashaln took it personally. More importantly, however, was his hatred of Anders Kor. Imagine someone taking your prize science project and smashing it into the mud, every single time you see him. Theirs is the sort of conflict that you can only get between people who look at life through opposite lenses, and are convinced that their way of seeing is the unequivocal best.

>How does he interact with regular marines of his own legion, how does he acts towards other legions?
Think of Kashaln as a mask with no face behind it. He has taught his sons how to adopt the aspect of a noble warrior: Controlled, cultured, honorable, honest, and, under all that, fierce. He exhorts his sons and all other marines he meets to uphold these virtues. This is how he fulfills his goal of cultivating the ideal "martial culture" of the astartes. This doesn't even stop on the battlefield, where he can be seen giving literal speeches in the thick of the fighting.

Also, I noticed you did not give me either "Scherzo di Notte" OR "Death by Glamour." For shame.

>>50012085
>even in his Dreadnought, he's still !Tarzan.
That's really up for debate. He matures a lot after his interment, to the point where (aside from being in a metal box) he's hardly recognizable as the same person.

>>50013776
Sure, he matures, but you can take the Primarch out of the jungle, but you can't take the jungle out of the Primarch.

>>50013352
Alright, that clears up some things.

I did seriously consider Scherzo, but it's not a boss theme, so I thought it wouldn't have the appropriate impact. As for Death by Glamour, I honestly didn't think of it.

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>>50010964
>>REDACTED
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t0I4mTEdAf8 [Embed]

Prompt:
Post quests that the Baleful Blade sends Vigil members on.

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>>50014137

In the days after the 9th Crusade against the necrons, a number of Iron tablets were discovered in the deep tomb vaults of Sautekh. These tablets told of an Eldar farseer named El'the Greensight.

Long ago, the wise Farseer El'the Greensight fought against the Necrontyr in the War in Heaven. El'the was wisest among the farseers of the old Empire, and knew a great many things. The tablets tell of El'the's farsights of the Age of Darkness to come, of milennia of war and a galaxy burning itself to ashes.

In the Unyielding Vigil, behind closed doors, the Funerary Guard debated the significance of the tablets. Some saw them as no more than xenos myths. Some, however, believed that such farsights could be of great use, for they knew the Age of Darkness the tablets spoke of was the very day they lived in.

As they debated in the chamber of the Baleful Blade, with Sarco Funerus' watchful form looming above, the blade began to drip with flame. All present watched with reverence as the Blade gave its orders. A drop fell upon the map, and then a second, and finally a third. They landed close to each other, far in the galactic southwest, in the newly resurgent Eldar Empire. Three drops of fire for three craftworlds, Ulthwe, Mymeara, and Iyanden.

The debate then rose to frenzy, as the Funerary Guard sought to interpret the meaning of this sign. Through much discussion, it was determined that on one of these craftworlds the Soulstone of Elthe Greensight must be stored. If such a stone could be recovered, it could be used to divine greater secrets for the Crusaders against the vile traitors of the Dark Imperium. Knowledge of the many dark centuries to come, of battles and bloodshed, of war and death, all before such things even happen. Within that xenos stone could very well be the keys to victory against the long encroaching darkness.

And so, the Scions went to war.

>>50013352
Might be cool to see a joint Behemoth Guard-Silver Spears campaign, probably during the Crusade. Something where they have to cooperate but it all ends in unending hatred.

I'd also like to see his interaction with Aodhan and his legion. Would really bring out the contrasts in their two legions.

>>50010964
>Gengrat's Theme
So at first I was going to auto-respond with a
>Not Something off of Meliora
And then I noticed it was boss-fight themes.
And also you nailed it.

P R O M P T:

Pick a legion at random and write about a Great Crusade campaign where your legion fought alongside them.

>>50014137
How about the blade sends some Scions on a raid into the Dark Imperium to recover a strange artifact, perhaps something we'd recognize as the weapon of a Phoenix Lord, perhaps the lance of Drastana?
Anyways, the Scions go and do their strike, unaware that in their invasion, they're serving as a distraction for some Eldar activity, perhaps an Eldar raid on the obscure world of Beltais, an ice shrouded world largely ignored by the Dark Imperium.

Centuries later, the wielder of the Lance of Drastana, which has a cool name like the Starlight Lance or something, is struck down in battle against the Eldar by a mighty Shining Spear Exarch. With the lance, they become the Phoenix Lord Drastana.

Somewhere, Eldrad says "JUST AS PLANNED!"

>>50016218
I'm going to do that first campaign with Faustus and Xun and then... (rolls 1d20.. 16... LOL) that's the Eyes of the Warmaster. Nice.
I'm thinking that's basically Xun getting found, smashing Hrud with Faustus, going Terra-wards to meet Dad and then going back out with Redacted.

Meanwhile Gengrat campaigns with... the 7th legion. YES THE DICE ARE GOOD TO ME. That's Enoch and his boys.

I'm going to think about those two and write something up later.

>>50016131
>I'd also like to see his interaction with Aodhan and his legion. Would really bring out the contrasts in their two legions.

They'd probably work pretty well together to be honest. Kashaln's Legion, with its rigid, extremely disciplined specialist tactics and infantry divisions, would be great at advancing the front and holding the line while the Negators move around taking out priority targets.

I think one of the big differences in temperament an ideology is their approach to the individual. Aodhán sees his sons as rising stars with limitless potential, whereas I get the impression that Kashaln very much views the Marines of his Legion as his subjects. The Silver Spears warrior culture is about playing your role perfectly, whereas the Negators equivalent is about surpassing yourself. Kashaln, I feel, sees the warrior role as being something inherently glorious, and worth as something that has to be constantly polished and maintained - a warrior is great because they are a warrior, and as such, they should conduct themselves in a manner of greatness. Aodhán is of the view that greatness is nonexistent until attained for oneself, and how the Negators conduct themselves reflects this.

I get the impression that Kashaln values his ability as a leader of men above all things, and sees his sons' successes and failings as extensions of his own. While Aodhán was pretty convinced if his own ability as a great military leader (I don't think you could name a Primarch that wasn't), he was much more concerned with his personal prowess, especially as the Great Crusade went on, and while he was proud of his sons' successes and disappointed with their failures, he rarely felt that they reflected hugely upon him. If he assigned a Marine to a task and they failed it merely meant they, personally, did not have what it took.

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>>50016218
Rollan for this.

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>>50016218

>>50018305
>Warp Raiders and Angels of Light
does it get any faster than this?

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>>50018332
Maybe Alexios and Oramar team up to fight the swarming hives of Psychneuein on Prospero? Swarms of wasp-like flying monsters who lay their eggs in the minds of psykers. Over the course of the campaign, Alexios comes to realize exactly why the Psychneuein seem to attack Warp Raider units far more often and with more ferver. He would be none too pleased to say the least. Might be the source of his disdain for witches.

Plus jetbikes fighting giant wasps.

>>50017649
I think there'd be potential for personality conflict in that, with each finding the other's approach oddly 'off'. I'm thinking each would find the other is 'missing the point'.

>>50016927
>Xun and Faustus
So Xun gets found by Faustus as per >>49979738

Xun has a meeting of various chapter masters on hand including Baqar Hadbaal, the Legion Master. Goes pretty well, with Xun's response to all this being basically "HOLY SHIT I'M ON A BOAT THAT FLIES IN THE SKY! HOLY SHIT WE HAVE LITTLE SUN-BALLS THAT MAKE ROOMS LIGHT! HOLY SHIT, SCIENCE AND MATH ARE AWESOME" Again, guy is from a bronze age world and had been developing Physics and modern science from astronomic observation.
So he's reading everything he can on how everything works and figures his chapter masters have been doing this for a while and generally know what they're doing, so he prefers to watch what they do and find out why as he learns what makes a legion tick.
Xun spends half the voyage grilling the quartermasters and techpriests about logistics and just what he needs to wage war, since for Xun, that's the key to making war. He's less interested in how things have been used than what the capabilities of the various weapons are. As he's trying to get a sense of what these numbers actually mean, he's trying to pull up statistics xeno-weaponry. This gets passed up the chain to Faustus who calls Xun in for a chat and asks him just what he thinks he's doing. Xun looks at him with surprise and tells him that you can't fight an enemy you know nothing about. Information and improvisation are the keys to victory.
Faustus takes note of this, since thus far, he's largely left Xun to his own devices. Afterwards, he has Valdor fill him in and Faustus realizes that Xun isn't another Sarco (No offense Sarco).

There's a few small skirmishes against the Hrud and Faustus invites Xun to come with him on a data-gathering mission. They capture a Hrud ship and some live Hrud.

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>>50016218

>>50018814
looks like it's time to talk about Tarzan

>>50018753
Faustus goes straight to the dissection table, which surprises Xun-- he was going to try talking to the Hrud and figuring out why they fight, after all, victory comes in removing the enemy's will to fight.
Faustus cracks up and lets Xun take the Hrud leader.
He sits down with it and has a chat which goes something along the lines of:
>Why are you attacking us?
>We're on a migration.
>It's a big galaxy. Maybe we could split it?
>Clearly you've never met your father. Besides, we're on migration. You are in our way.
>Can't we talk about this? You guys are crazy destructive.
>Our god Qah made us this way. He is us and we are him. This is the Hrud soul. When we are crowded, we must expand. Your own people expand.
>But this is pointless. You're just causing trouble for everyone.
>This is our nature. Qah made us to survive. Would you have us turn our backs on our traditions and our god? On our soul and essence?
>Yes.
>You condemn us to extinction?
>You have condemned yourselves. Any species that limits themselves with their gods is dead. Survival is the result of adaptation and reason. There can be no peace between us. Understand that when I destroy your worlds, it is not out of malice, it is only with regret.

Xun returns to Faustus, who asks him if he found what he was looking for, and Xun says yes before beginning the bombardment of a Hrud colony.

Then the two of them bond by making some bio-weapons and devising warp protections from the entropic field. In the process, Xun sees Faustus augment his Silent Knights and other forces and proceeds to make similar adjustments to his vehicles.
While they do this, Xun rotates through the various companies of the old legion to see how each one functions. At the end of this campaign, while the legion rotates to Terra, Xun draws up his reforms.

>>50018948
Quick stop on Terra to meet the Emperor. While he's there Xun also makes friends with Malcador. Xun asks them both why certain domains of knowledge are classified, something he's come up against again and again while reading through various libraries. He's given the answer that The Emperor is working on certain things and that certain knowledge is dangerous, the same way a general cannot always be honest and open with their soldiers, a leader cannot always be honest and open with their people. Xun gets this and accepts it, resolving to work hard to be able to be in that inner circle -- he does the same things himself.

The Emperor and Malcador decide it would be a good test of Redacted to see how he handles himself dealing with new situations and so send Xun off to go campaign with him. Because this is part of the grooming process for Redacted as Warmaster, Xun departs with a detachment of Custodes in tow, not realizing that this isn't normal.
So... The Eyes are oddly normal as a legion? Redacted also strikes me as the sort to let an unknown quantity act first, so Xun plays a large role in planning the campaign. It really is a joint campaign in that regard. Xun figures this is part of the approval process for new Primarchs and so doesn't fuss. And now I need to come up with an idea for a foe for them to fight...
What else on the Eyes do we have?

And what do people think of all this thus far?

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>>50018103
>The Atalanta Campaign
The colonization of the world of Atalanta Prime and the subsequent battle against its previously unknown subterranean inhabitants is a prime example of how the vastly disparate upbringings of the Primarchs would result in deep interpersonal rifts often left to fester for years on end. Blessed with mild winds, abundant rainfall, and immense plains of rolling, gently-sloping hills, Atalanta Prime was considered sterling Agri-World material, and was slated for colonization soon after the Orkish menace was driven from the surrounding Argo Sector, its fertile soil marked for exploitation by the growing realm of Imperium Minorum.

Developing the world and its surrounding planetoids into a civilized territory of the Imperium hit an unexpected snag when, roughly thirty-five standard years after the first cities achieved self-sufficiency upon Atalanta Prime's surface, and unconfirmed event upon the moon of its much smaller, colder sister-world, Atalanta Minor (undergoing development into a mining world), disturbed an ancient and terrible foe from its slumber beneath the planet's frozen mantle. Several months of bloody warfare passed as the PDF of Atalanta Minor and its moons struggled in vain against a steadily-growing horde of gaunt, silvery automatons lead by a creature of flowing oil, before a suppression force comprised of chapters from the Judgement Bringers, Negators, and Angels of Light Legions arrived to bring an end to the situation, the Primarchs of all three Legions present with Alexios the White taking high command over the operation.

By the time the Emperor's Angels of Death had arrived, the triplet moons of Atalanta Minor (Oineus, Plexippus and Toxeus), as well as the vast majority of the planet itself, were for the most part overrun by the xeno threat, and preventing the fall of Atalanta Prime was outlined as the initial aim of the campaign.

>>50019297
This initial decision was met with immediate unrest within the ranks. Every report indicated that the alien automatons that plagued the system were without culture or self-reflection, and were directionless without their leader. The Primarch Aodhán, in typical form, sought the decisive blow, proposing that he (records indicate that he was very specific about his personal role here) brave the hordes and cut the head from the enemy. His plan rejected on the grounds of unacceptable risk and the potential to leave Atalanta Prime and its moons vulnerable, he grudgingly accepted that his and Enoch's forces would be necessary to maintain a bulwark against the foes of the Emperor, safeguarding His subjects while evacuation procedures were enacted to preserve as much of the local population as possible.

As such, the initial phase of the campaign was planned as followed, every step described in meticulous detail by Alexios and his personal orators: the vast majority of Judgement Bringers and Negators assets would take up defensive positions on Meleager, one of Atalanta Prime's two moons and the planetoid outside of Atalanta Minor's orbit with the highest concentration of enemy forces. Commanding from the smaller moon of Pathenopaios, Alexios would coordinate smaller detachments of their Legions, as well as the lion's share of the Angels of Light's contributions, in a series of mobile interference efforts across the system to slow down the horde's advance until Atalanta Prime could be considered secure.

The ensuing battle upon Meleager was extraordinarily bloody. Tasked with stalling operations, the Space Marines made few significant gains, and the flat, even landscape of the moon meant that few positions were ideal for defensive maneuvers. Battles of attrition were not the Negators' standard operating procedure, and the campaign was fraught with miscommunications between Enoch and Aodhán (and their sons) that vexed the two of them to no end.

>>50019551
Records indicate that as the campaign drew on, periodic reports from Alexios' high command on Pathenopaios dictating that defensive actions were to continue until he judged Atalanta Prime fully secure, Aodhán became further incensed with Enoch's almost automatic deference to the White Angel's commands. Miscommunications between the two often resulted in the shelling of Negators forces, and Aodhán, as time drew on and his patience waned, took to pre-emptive assaults upon enemy positions without notifying his brother, resulting in a growing sense of distrust between the two, and multiple accusations of intentional spite flung over vox communications, most of which Alexios, occupied with coordinating the theater at large, responded to with condescension and dismissal.

The final days of the campaign came, unannounced, on the third standard year since its official beginning. Without warning, enemy forces on Meleager became erratic and uncoordinated, many of them seeming to lose the will to fight or succumbing to entirely inane acts of tactical folly. The sudden turning point was a welcome reprieve for both Primarchs and the Legions, who had had just about enough of one another by this point, and few were without a sense of relief when authorization came down from Pathenopaios to capitalize upon the enemy's sudden loss of coordination. The resulting actions were almost effortlessly simple endeavors, little more than routs in most instances, and the battle for Meleager was reduced to a handful of fkyswatting operations after the vast majority of xeno military might was taken apart and eradicated. Companies from both Legions were gradually dispersed among the gutted plains of Atalanta Minor and its moons to wipe away the remains of the enemy, which had fallen into a similar state of disunity across the system.

It would only be later, at a final consortium between the three brothers, that the truth of this sudden reprieve would come to light.

Please pitch me some ideas for loyalist Silver Spears. I already have a name and a chapter lined up, but I'm not sure of when or where.

>>50019749
Aodhán and Enoch were surprised upon their arrival at Pathenopaios to be met by not only Alexios, but also [REDACTED]. It soon became clear that the reality of the campaign had diverged significantly from the description of its initial parameters delivered by Alexios prior to Enoch and Aodhán's deployment on Meleager. Little to no evacuations had gone ahead - instead, the colonists of Atalanta Prime had been conscripted into labour roles in several archeological missions overseen and coordinated by the Eyes of the Warmaster. A full counterattack had never been intended - the Prince of Terra had instead required a lengthy stalling action while he and his agents unearthed an asset - the nature of which he refused to reveal - capable of derisively ending the threat by taking the enemy commander out of action. The remaining colonists, having come into contact with unseemly elements, had been mind-wiped and dispersed between labour camps across the Imperium Minorum. When a furious Aodhán objected that it was hit initial plan to defeat the shadowy beast commanding the xenos horde, he was promptly informed that [REDACTED] did not believe such an action could be trusted to bring the creature to a permanent end. Utterly livid, the Primarch called upon his brother Enoch to agree with him, citing the horrendous casualties suffered by both their Legions. Enoch responded that it was an Astartes' duty to die in the service of the Emperor, and that he had followed the commands he had been given admirably, very obviously insinuating that Aodhán had acted with in less than adequate manner.

Records of the meeting's end are no longer in circulation, but several accounts state that Enoch had to prevent his brother from striking either Alexios or [REDACTED], and that the ensuing brawl resulted in one of the Primarch's signature heavy bolters having to undergo extensive repairs after it was shattered over his head. The veracity of this claim is tenuous, however.

>>50018814
Can I get the chart for the order in which the Primarchs are found?

>>50018753
>>50018948
>>50019056
I wrote up a bit in response to all this but my comp restarted and I lost it. So here is an abbridged version, if its confusing I apologise.

>Joint planning with Warmaster
Considering he is the 2nd to the Emperor and groomed for command since forever, as well as being 100 years into the crusade. I think it makes more sense to have the WM just plan it with Xun looking over his shoulder. In my mind at this point Xun would still be losing his mind about electricity and shit. He would have veeery limited knowledge about the capability of 30k armies, equipment, and tactics. Even coming off a campaign with Faustus, he would still be a massive noob compared to the WM at this point.

>more interested in logistics than the new weapons
this seems odd, I get that he is big into logistics but moving 30 men by cart and 30 men by ship is pretty similiar, there wouldn't be a huge amount for him to learn. Compared to the technology gap between bows and arrows and hand held hyper death plasma lightning rays. In this instance, 1 guy with a lasgun could probably conquer half of a feudal world, so I'd think he would be delving into the new possibilities of wargear.

IN SAYING THAT. If I think about what would be the most amazing thing for me if I were in his shoes, and loved logistics, it would be communications.

I think he would go bonkers when someone presses a button on a desk, talks into a microphone and then people all over the world start responding. I mean, he would be used to pigeons and letters at best. I think the jump there is a good middle ground between I<3Logistics and "Jesus my methods of warfighting just changed massively"

>>50019297
>>50019760
On an unrelated note.

I know how the Hawks mentality of personal honour and glory interacts with the Negators, but im torn as to how it would work with Silver Spears and would like everyones thoughts.

tbc

>>50020331
https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Imperium_Asunder#Primarch_Order

>>50021951
cont.

Hawk mentality in a nutshell
>your reputation/honour/glory/etc is based on who considers you a peer.
>its based on who speaks highly of you.

Example.
Sitting around a table sharing stories, a Hawk would never talk about how amazing his exploits were, he instead talks about the amazing exploits of those he has served with.
ie: I fought with bob from the Silver Spears and he is the best bolter marksmen in the universe! I saw him 360noscope with his eyes closed.
>crowd cheers
Thus the speakers reputation is raised by being good enough to fight along side the best marksmen - if that makes sense.

To a Hawk, the greatest praise you can give him is to tell one of his stories.

In saying that, telling your own stories is massive taboo. The idea being essentially, if what you did was as badass as you think it is, why are you the one telling me about it, and not the guys who saw it.

So, How would this interact with the Silver Spears?

Would they respect them for their exceptional skill, or think them socially retarded (and unprofessional) for talking themselves up so much.

>>50021951
No worries.

>Warmaster and Xun
That's a very good point. I'd been thinking the Warmaster would be all weird about having someone watching.
I suppose he'd handle it in one of two ways, either having Xun do his own thing, sort of a parallel campaign, or have a very precise campaign that is designed to reveal none of his secrets.
The former would be more likely if this wasn't part of Xun getting up to speed, so I'm thinking that Redacted plays his cards close to the chest on this one.
As a result, Xun comes away with an impression of the Warmaster as aloof, kind of like Faustus. He also probably finds Redacted's tactics clever, but uncreative, given that the Warmaster is likely to keep his espionage techniques hidden.
This is assuming a paranoid and sneaky Warmaster.
The other option is that Malcador vouched for Xun as being a cool dude and Redacted gives Xun an intro to sneaky stuff. This inspires Xun to create Section 8 later on.
I think that would be more interesting, but it may cause canon conflict.

>Communications and Logistics
Good point on the coms. I was more thinking in terms of him figuring out the different sorts of components needed for vehicles and weapons and which ones could be commonly sourced and the like.

But yeah, he's definitely trying out all the cool new weapons and seeing what they do, reading reports on damage output and operational range, etc.

Thinking he starts experimenting with the coordinated techniques that characterize his legion by using a combination of the new technology and the techniques he had developed to have asynchronous but coordinated campaigns on his home world with groups with unreliable coms acting in tandem.

>>50022012
>interacting with Spears (and Negators)
Do the Warhawks tend to recognize other styles of warrior? Or do they apply their standards universally?
Like do they get and respect that the Spears' culture of respect differs from their own and so accept their odd behavior, or do they get that it's a different culture and just think that other approach is unprofessional and stupid?

I get the sense that the Hawks take their code of conduct pretty seriously and where a Bloodhounds or Asuran would nod and listen politely and not think much of it, I get the sense that the Hawk would find himself thinking how arrogant the Spear was.

>>50022405
>paranoid
I dont see him getting paranoid til later, just manipulative. Able to see steps ahead and predict "ripple" effects.

>vouches for him
Is this required? I mean if you send 2 commanders off together, 1 a veteran and 1 a new guy, it seems obvious to me there is an implied task of teaching.

Oh I also remembered a point I forgot earlier.

Xun rocks up and changes the legions SOPs and formations and crap almost immediately right?
typical bloody officer, thinks he needs to reinvent the wheel

>>50022480
>styles
you do what you gotta do. They are very pragmatic, they typically care more about getting a job done than making it pretty. But obviously if you can make a difficult task look easy, that speaks volumes to your skill and knowledge - which in turn, goes towards the reputation of your mentor and squadmates.

>differing cultures
They are almost exact opposites, in that every hawk is taught every weapon, and how to pilot every vehicle they can get their hands on. They believe in adaptability and versatility. So I think they would see the dedication to a single speciality as both good (they would be GREAT at what they do) but also very limiting, in that if your driver dies you're all sitting around looking at each other as to what to do.

So they would see it for what it is, different but effective for them (but not for a smaller legion like hawks)

>Arrogant
Yeah I think this too, but at the same time - they really value outputs. And if your a total badass with a heavy bolter they wouldn't just right you off as a douche because you like to talk about how great you are.

Whats making this hard for me to really visualise is that the two legions are very similar but also at times polar opposites.

>>50022583
If the Warmaster isn't paranoid until later then that frees up some interaction stuff for the two of them. And then Malcador won't need to vouch for him.

Been more thinking that before Xun, the Legion is very decentralized, without any sort of standardization and Xun ends up reorganizing things to make the supply chains more efficient or something. He could also definitely reorganize things over a period of years.
I'll come up with an enemy to shatter the cohesion of. Maybe a liberation campaign, with a pseudo-Dark Eldar type xeno that have a bunch of human thralls kept in control through a mixture of terror, quislings, and mind control. Redacted and Xun break the Xenos cohesion and help spark revolt amongst the humans.

>Hawks and Spears
Might be neat for the Hawks to campaign with the Spears after campaigning with the Negators and stuff happens. Or something. I should probably try sleeping.

I'm kind of bored. Anyone interested in sharing Steam names and playing some video games?

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>go see Doctor Strange
>Anshul is literally Tilda Swinton with Mads Mikkelsen's motivation
>mfw

I know I said Tilda would be perfect for playing Anshul, but I didn't think she'd actually fucking do it.

>>50024103
God damn I've been so busy I don't think I've opened steam in six months. I pretty much forgot it existed.

>>50024457
Was it any good?

Also, you don't have time to play vidya, but you do have enough time to stat out Primarchs?

>>50025133
Writing some extra stuff while working is much easier than playing Sins of a Solar Empire while working.

Anyway, yeah, I enjoyed the film. It handled its themes well, the performances were stellar, and the magic was great. I feel like the pacing was a little off in the middle, but that's my one complaint. I may be slightly biased, though, because it featured a lot of my favourite kind of magic. I'm one of those guys that will always run a Space/Correspondence mage when someone breaks out Mage: The Ascension/Awakening, and there was tons of spatial manipulation and dimensional hopping and the like.

>>50019920
>when you're so angry you tear your brother's shoulder mounted HMG off his armor and smash it to bits over his head

I know dat feel.

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>>50026072
I'm sure we've all been there at one point or another.

Speaking of, any input on the campaign?

I think I might write something up with a bunch of Primarchs defending Molech from some threat, and it ending with at least one of them wondering what was so important about the planet. Anyone particularly want certain Primarchs involved?

>>50026787
They get mindwiped afterwards, right?

>>50026787
Alright, I quickly checked. The Emperor was accompanied on Molech by Horus, Fulgrim, Lion and Jaghatai. Of those four, the Khan was the last to be discovered, being the 15th. So that should give some sort of clue as to when it takes place.

Actually, this reminds of something I wanted to bring up. Rubinek got kicked off before all the Primarchs were discovered. I take it that, like in the OU, the remaining Primarchs swear an oath not to talk about him. That would mean that by the time of the Heresy, when Rubinek returns, a couple of Primarchs would have no clue who he is. That could lead to an interesting story?

>>50026950
I think it depends what happens on the planet. Horus, Jaghatai, Lion and Fulgrim were mindwiped because due to the nature of their mission there they had to be told what the Warp gate on Molech actually was and what it did.

If a bunch of Primarchs were simply defending Molech and never had to really interact with the gate there'd probably be no need for memory manipulation.

>>50027058
>Rubinek

I definitely think there's some serious potential for great stories there. IIRC the guys that never met Rubinek before the Heresy were Enoch, Engerand, Xun, Kashaln, Anders, Oramar, Anshul, Gengrat and Graha'nak.

>>50027544
>Xun: Who the fuck are you and why are you wrecking my shit!?
>Rubinek: That, the fact that you have to ask. That's why.

But seriously though, are they going to do the whole swearing to silence thing?

>>50027660
They probably should.

>>50026950
I was thinking certain specifics get tweaked in their heads.

Either Anshul or Oramar however, being a little paranoid about the sanctity of their mind and partial to going over the past, have made a habit of storing their memories outside of their own minds, and eventually stumble upon the incongruity between their personal recollection and what they've recorded elsewhere.

Before the Heresy one of them fixes Aodhán's memories and it's at that point that he's utterly convinced he and his brothers are destined for the chopping block once the Great Crusade is won.

Rolled 15 (1d20)

>>50027058
I think they might not know him, but surely they would know who he is, at least by reputation.

Like they would know his name and perhaps looks, even if its just enough to identify him to know not to talk to him.

>>50027965
>https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Imperium_Asunder#Primarch_Order

Huh, turns out ill be talking about Silver Spears after all

>>50027544
I dug this up from an older thread:

>PRE IRON JUDGEMENT
1. The Warmaster
2. Faustus
3. Raydon
4. Alexios
5. Marcus
6. Sarco
7. Rubinek
8. Aodhan
9. Klaus
10. Balthasar
11. Xun
12. Engerand
>POST IRON JUDGEMENT
13. Enoch
14. Anders
15. Kashaln
16. Saul
17. Oramar
18. Anshul
19. Gengrat
20. Graha'nak

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>>50025475
>Sins of a Solar Empire
So many excellent mods out there and not a single one of them fucking works. I know that feel.

I'm gonna work on writing about >>50018374
today as well as reading the walls of text Xun posted last night.

Any thoughts on Alexios and Oramar fighting psychic wasps on Prospero?

Feeling like writefagging again. Any requests for theme and the participants of a short story?

>>50028282
>"What is the plan, brother?"
>"After analyzing our tactical situation the options laid before us, I have determined that we have to go faster."
>"Word."

>>50028892
How about
>>50027058
>>50027544

>>50028997
Yeah, something to do with one of the last discovered Primarchs and the Rubinek question could be really cool. I can imagine a few of them being like

>"Hey, there's supposed to be twenty of us, right? Shouldn't we be looking for our lost brother?"

In fact, maybe there isn't even an oath not to ever mention him, just to only ever acknowledge him as 'lost'. What does that mean? All the Primarchs that knew him will give you different answers (some, like Alexios, probably wouldn't answer at all) but all would pretty much be vague evasions of decisively saying everything.

>>50028997
>>50028997
Okay... This might get difficult, but I'll give it a shot. It will take time, though, even as it will be short.

keeping it alive

>>50026787
>>50027902
Expanding on this.

>Raydon, Anshul, Aodhán and Kashaln are sent to defend Molech from an attack by a reawakened fleet of Iron Men
>none of them can really understand why the planet is of such importance that four Primarchs have to go secure it, but it's Emprah's orders
>unknown to them, the Iron Men were awakened and drawn to Molech by a pseudo-heretek cult believing that the Ebon Gate leads to the realm of the planet's ancient serpent god
>they've been drawing on the Gate's power to open small Warp fissures and have been experimenting on the things from beyond in secret, growing in influence and power through fell sorcery, infiltrating the planet's ruling Knightly House of Devine, as well as the smaller Houses Volaren and Tremerete
>as the battle rages on, Sureka or an equivalent enlists Raydon and Aodhán to root out a suspected cult
>as the close in on the culprits, the cult plays its trump card, generating a pulse in the Warp that ripples outward from the Ebon Gate, submerging its cavern network, pockets of the planet, and most of their research facilities halfway into the Warp
>trapped in a limbo between realspace and the immaterium, Aodhán and Raydon basically play Doom on co-op for several days, while Kashaln and Anshul must now face the treacherous forces of Molech's ruling classes
>with Anshul's aid, Sureka guides the lost Primarchs through the twisting, slowly degenerating hellscape, leading them to the Ebon Gate so that they can seal it once again and release the transitioned segments of Molech from the Warp's pull
>Kashaln fights a bloody battle on the world's surface, becoming increasingly infuriated with the fell powers that his foes wield, pushing his Marines to fight harder and be greater in the face of this darkness, and for the first time he feels the tug of Slaanesh upon his heart

>>50031326
>eventually, Raydon and Aodhán battle their way to the Ebon Gate, where the leader of the cult, the youngest son of House Volaren, is undergoing a terrible daemonic transformation
>faced with a horde of horrors from beyond and a newly born Daemon Prince, the two of them fight what feel like an insurmountable odds
>Raydon, acting as a channel for Anshul, manages to work the incantations that will seal the Ebon Gate while Aodhán holds the Prince at bay
>together they bodily push their foe through the gate as it closes and realspace reasserts itself
>on the surface, Kashaln battles against the heir to House Devine, the warrior's Knight Titan crawling with daemonic corruption. After perhaps the most trying and exhilarating battle of his life, he strikes down the daemon machine, and feels an immense sense of pride swell in his heart, and a strange sadness - a sense that nothing could push him further now, that he would need to again battle such a foe to achieve greater heights of martial perfection
>with the Warpspace incursion over, the four Primarchs push back the treacherous forces of the planet and their robotic servants, putting them to the sword
>in the wake of the battle, the Emperor himself arrives on Molech to personally congratulate the four of them, twisting their memory of events in the process, changing the nature of their recollection so that the horror of Chaos goes unremembered
>unknown to him, Anshul habitually stores his memories outside of his body for later reference and inspection, and one day he will stumble upon a terrible incongruity with what he remembers and what he sees
>Kashaln will remain haunted by that sense of strange loss for the rest of the Great Crusade, never quite able to determine its source
>Aodhán and Raydon will for many years feel that something about their adventure seemed unreal, that there was something off about the entire campaign

Thoughts?

>>50031513
I like it. I was going to ask about House Devine, but you brought them in. The only thing I think is kind of iffy is Anshul channeling things through Raydon. Would Ray be cool with that? Also, I'm assuming Sureka goes back to watching the gate later?

Actually, does anyone come back to Molech? If I remember the novel correctly, Horus went there because he noticed that something was off about his memories of that place. This would mean that the Warmaster would have no reason to go there. So what happens to Molech during the heresy? Does Anshul come back? Does he inform the Warmaster?

>>50031513
>Raydon and Aodhan go full doomguy mode
>cannot not think of gimli and legolas: the primarch adventure
>Aodhan: *decapitates blood thirster*
Raydon: still only counts as 1 *shoots bloodletter in the face*
>Aodhan: 396!
>Raydon: 412!
>Aodhan: *pulls up sleeves and charges mob of nurglings*

>>50031513
Oh, another thing. The capital of Molech is Lupercalia, named after Horus. That obviously doesn't work, so we'll need something else. Neratalia? Neratossia? Kaelia?

>>50031937
I was thinking Anshul comes back to investigate and secretly consults Oramar about what he's found. Oramar tells the Warmaster and they start pulling Anshul into the Heresy.

Eventually Anshul tells Aodhan and Kashaln about it and they journey to Molech all incognito, where they destroy the Angel of Fire equivalent and all their memories come back, as does Raydon's. The sudden return of his memory and the knowledge that the Emperor wiped his brain to hide this shit from him us why Raydon takes his time with his penitent quest out in the boonies - he's not actually sure what he'll do when he gets back.

>>50031969
This is what happens when you refuse to use fully automatic weapons.

>>50031979
Maybe it gets renamed in Kashaln's honour this time, since he was the one that defended the planet in the most visible capacity? Kasharan? Kashera? Kashim?

>>50031326
>>50031513
I dig it

Daily reminder that the Emperor is just a regular human warlord (a Kebab from anatolia, no less) who struck a deal with chaos for psychic powers and didn't hold up his end of the deal. Everything before his journey to Molech is revisionist mythology,

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>>50022583
Brother Hawk once spied brother Eagle perched upon a mountain top, preening his feathers. He landed on a nearby rock and called out in a soaring voice.

“Brother, do you fly tonight?”

Eagle smiled a little and spoke to no one, “I think I shall go out soon. After all, it is good to be seen with one’s wings outstretched.”

“All creatures on the land and in the sky have seen your wings.”

“Why thank you.”

“But where will you go?” asked Hawk, who loved flying most of all, “Will you patrol the low forests with brother Rook, or ride with me on the turbulent winds of the West?”

Eagle pretended to think about his answer before saying, “I shall soar upon the–“

“Upon the golden light of the ever-setting Sun. You are very good at that, because it is all you ever do,” sighed Hawk.

“Well,” Eagle continued, “it’s what is best for me. Perhaps you would like to come along; I think you deserve it.”

Hawk shifted his feet a little on the rock, “I think not, brother. I have learned your way of flying, and glorious though it be, it is only one among three hundred methods. It is only in the West that I may attain this new technique.”

For a moment, Hawk saw brother Eagle’s face take on a new expression. “Do not scoff at me,” he said, “You can only fly one way, and you only fly that way so that others will tell you how magnificent you are.”

>>50032241
This is pretty excellent.

Soooo
The 1d4chan is not up to date
I can't find this on suptg
Anyone care to red pill me?

>>50032421
What do you want to know?

>>50032241
“No,” said Eagle, who was now looking for the Sun in the horizon, “I found my magnificence in the first of days. Later I created a way of flying that would let me share it with all who beheld me, and remind them of who I am. No more words needed saying after that.”

“Then how come every word out of your beak is about how great you are, how everyone else must bow in reverence?”

“What foolishness. There are those who deserve to fly by my side– including you, little brother. There is nothing else to say, especially since my brothers always seem to forget that simple truth?”

“My disciples and I share glory of others– and I can only hope that they do the same for us, when we deserve it,” Hawk could barely believe what he was saying, though he knew it to be true, “There is nothing more worthy than that.”

The setting Sun had finally shown its face, and for the first time, big brother was looking straight at him. They stared at each other for a while. Eagle was the first to take off, chasing the golden light as he always did. Hawk started for home; he could not go to the West this night.

>>50032377
Thank you.

>>50032167
It is a little known fact that during the early 21st Century, with little to do in the way of keeping order, the Emperor returned to his true calling - running a small shawarma joint in the Camden borough of London, England.

>>50019920
Excellent, but there is a bit of ambiguity to your writing in places. Are you saying the Enoch said something along the lines of "It is the duty of an Astartes to die for the Emperor, and your legion under your command is certainly good at doing its duty" (ie dying) OR more along the lines of saying "We followed orders although you didn't follow orders so good" or maybe something else entirely

>>50021951
Who else has campaigned with Faustus and the Warmaster?

I figure before he went full NEET in the labs Faustus was at the forefront of a lot of wars until enough primarchs were found to take over the crusade effectively. I don't know how much REDACTED lead personally or from the front, given his whole secrecy shtick either.

>>50033171
I think he would have stopped actively campaignin around rhe 3-4 primarchs found point.

I think he would have led from the a ship in orbit, but still stayed near the "front" lines galactically speaking.

Maybe not landing to fight, but certainly being available.

>>50032421
There's a LOT of info to cram into a single redpill.

Tell us what stuff you need to know first. I assume you pretty much know that this is an AU where the Horus equivalent was a sneaky Alpharius type who won the Heresy via deception and over half the galaxy is now owned by a Chaos worshipping Imperium run by the former Warmaster, now Emperor.

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>>50028070
>emps pages Alexios with coordinates near the galactic core
>there's a xenos problem, handle it
>take your little brother Oramar and teach him what the deal is
>psychneuin have flooded Prospero because no magnus to teach them magic

>jetbike battle montage ensues
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=siwpn14IE7E

>Alexios never leaves orbit
>deploys companies of his men to fight insane wasps that lay eggs in your brain
>Oramar is like wtf bro lets fite
>Alexios collates data
>Oramar goes down to fight
>psychneuin swarm around him and his dudes
>Alexios sees this in his spreadsheets
>explain this discrepancy, little brother, are you a witch?
>i am not a witch
>alexios' face when

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>>50032421
20 new Legions

The Warmaster is a sneeki breeki whose name is REDACTED from all records. He kills the Emperor at the end of the heresy. Like, *kills him* kills him. After that shit gets real. The Warmaster sits the throne of Terra, his brothers serve him as vassals of the outer marches, and a handful of 'traitors' aka loyalists to the emperor, are trapped in the eastern fringe.

Most of the other primarchs are mary sues too.

>>50033669
Did you respond to my wall of text?

>>50033243
When he hits the field, it's probably balls to the walls xenocide warfare.

>>50031513
>almost losing to a mere knight titan
Weaksauce.

>>50034347
>laughingRaydon.jpeg

>>50034347
happened to Lorgar

>>50034477
Kashaln confirmed to be as weak as Lorgar.

>>50018814
>the destruction of Mor-rioh'i
After the censure of Oramar, the Emperor told Sarco Funerus that he had discovered the location of the Eldar craftworld that crippled him and set him loose to seek vengeance. He was to join up with his brother Aodhan on the world of Anark Zeta to assault a webway gate that was said to lead to the craftworld. The Eldar were not to be taken by surprise, however, and had fortified the area around the gate with titans much like the one that Sarco had engaged in a duel nine years ago.

>>50034721
The two primarchs agreed to have the Negators create a diversion to draw the titans away and keep them occupied for as long as possible while Sarco and Aodhan led a company of Imperial Scions through the webway gate. This plan proved successful, though the Eldar warriors were swept up in a battle-fervor the likes of which neither primarch had ever seen. After boarding the craftworld, it was discovered what had caused the change in the Eldar. Foreseeing the coming Imperial assault, the farseers had sacrificed a Young King and awoken the avatar of their bloody-handed god, Khaine.

>>50034968
A plan was formed: as before, Aodhan would lead a diversion whole Sarco struck at the heart of the Eldar force. As his brother swept through the halls of the craftworld, Sarco and his lieutenants sought out the Avatar chamber and engaged the iron daemon. In the end, it was Sarco who stood victorious over the broken form of the avatar, though all but one of his lieutenants were killed in the fighting; Idrias Stern, a standard bearer, stood with him. With the avatar destroyed, the Eldar's morale broke and it was a simple matter to cleanse the craftworld. As a trophy of his conquest, Sarco took the wailing sword of the avatar and christened it the Baleful Blade, for he declared that it would cause dread in all his future opponents.

Where is Kashaln going to try and situate himself in a sector or system conquest, ideally.

Is he going to remain in his flagship, or will he stay with the main effort of his attack, or will he move around etc etc

>>50035105
This isn't as well-written as I'd like it to be, but I have a killer headache and it's almost 1:00.
Thoughts?

>>50035158
I like it. Not everything has to be shakespear to be good.

>>50032167
>actually the worst of the retcon

>>50032241
How did i miss this? This is awesome.

>>50032167
Heresy. The Emperor was forged by the shamans of old earth seeking to guide humanity. Molech never happened.

>>50036692
Thanks. Does it answer your questions?

>>50036857
So if I don't follow this chain letter, they're going to send an Iron Heart after me?

>>49978987
I can't see the Tau in that map? Had they been exterminated?

>>50036846
Not quite if youre referring to where would he position himself as a commander.

Im trying to write a thing up. With the pair on their first campaign together. Raydon is assigned the overall commander and i wanted some insight from how he might view Raydons philosophy of command. I figured the easiest way was to compare it to his own and if it aligned he would b okay with it. If it didnt he would look down on it.

>>50036984
I'm not entirely sure what Raydon's philosophy of command is. Is it just the legion's fighting style, or their practice of having marines learn diverse skills?

>>50036959
Kind of. The Tau Empire was destroyed by the Angels of Light (?), but some Tau have taken refuge in the Kor Protectorate. They are tolerant of xenos, kind of like the Tau actually.

>>50037062
Yeah I was asking for Kashalns so I could compare the two.

Raydon delegates.

He tries whenever possible to lead from the front, so he lets someone else run the higher level stuff so that he can be in the battles himself. In saying that, he leads by example, and keeps his wants separate from his duties. So if he knows running the top level stuff is beyond the abilities of his subordinates, he will do it himself, not out of criticism just out of duty.

In the example I listed being a multi-sector attack, he would try to position himself behind the vanguard fleet with the main force. But once he has identified his main goal, he would take to the planet personally. Leaving his executive officer to coordinate the larger schemes whilst he is away fighting.

TLDR; he moves around a lot.

>>50037421
Kashaln would see no problem in any of that. That's just strategy-level stuff, nothing ideological.

>>50037458
Coolio. Just wanted to confirm, other Primarchs such as Xun/Alexios might see it as indulging his personal wants rather than being in the place a leader should, whereas others such as Aodhan might think it a waste to not be down krumpin heads with da boyz

>>50034347
Daemon Knight Titan.

>>50032106
I like Kasharan. Maybe Kashaln himself can weigh in?

>>50033096
>"It is the duty of an Astartes to die for the Emperor, and your legion under your command is certainly good at doing its duty"

Holy shit, this is a truly massive statement. Let's go with that.

>>50033624
Imagine Alexios meeting Anshul.

>Disgusting mutant brother, are you a witch?
>I am a blinding intellect.
>narrowed_eyes.jpg

>>50034347
Eh, a bunch of possessed Knights is a tough fight even for a Primarch.

>>50034721
>>50034968
>>50035105
Nice. How far into the Great Crusade do you see this occurring?

>>50037537
>whereas others such as Aodhan might think it a waste to not be down krumpin heads with da boyz

To specify, this would often depend on the Primarch in question. Aodhán knows Kashaln and Raydon and such can krump, so if they're not krumping it's no huge deal, they probably have something important to do. The lack of krumping power in guys like Alexios and Faustus makes him a sad warlord.

>>50038257
>How far into the Great Crusade do you see this occurring
Right after Nikaea, so Sarco would still be getting used to the whole dreadnought thing.

>>50036836
I always found that origin story kinda goofy.

Though it may still be canon. SOMETHING made the Emperor extremely long lived even before the bargain on Molech.

>>50028997
Xun sat in his library, studying. He had little else to do during Warp travels, but now he picked up a new subject: history. Usually he focused on what is and what could be, but he was curious of what happened to his missing brother.
He had asked the others, and received several answers: "Lost among the stars", "It is a difficult subject for all of us" and "You only have eighteen brothers" being the most informative answers. Xun wasn't content with these answers, however. The answers implied his last brother had been found, and something dire happened. Was he dead? Who was his last lost brother?
Hours upon hours he pondered upon these questions, looking for clues among the books of his library. Finally, after a day and a night of unsuccessful searching, he learned the name of his lost brother: Rubinek.
Xun mourned for his brother, lost among the stars, for he could not do anything else for Rubinek. Dead or lost, they shared the blood of their father. He wished to meet Rubinek, one day. But now, he had work to do. The crusade kept moving, unforgiving to those who stood before the might of the Imperium of Man.
Xun vowed he would find out the truth of Rubinek's past, and seek out his whereabouts when the war was over.

>>50039155
I like it, but: >>50028070
Xun knew who Rubinek was. Sorry man.

>>50039188
We can always switch it around a bit. I like the idea of the usually boisterous pre-interment Sarco getting all serious when someone asks him about Rubinek. I also feel that the answers the primarchs give is a good judge of character.

>>50039188
Well, that's my bad for not doing my homework. However, the story is quite easy to convert to any other Primarch with scholastic tendencies.

>>50039350
I imagine some of the more butthurt about it Primarchs might give an answer akin to Mr. Incredible's advice in the insurance agency scene.

"There is no way I can help you. I certainly do NOT advise that you check X archive on Y planet and look for the section in the back where one of the dataslaves malfunctioned. I wouldn't expect you to find anything there."

>>50039519
Maybe the warmaster tells him in an attempt to sow the seeds of discontent with the emperor.

>>50039350
>>50039381
I'd be fine with changing the discovery order, but maybe we should get Xun's own opinion on that. Otherwise the same piece would work for Oramar, Anshul or Gengrat.

>>49985277
Witnessed.

Overall what do the primarchs think about the Baleful Blade? What about the Scions' use of it pist-heresy?

>>50037795
Let's call the city "{REDACTIO}"

But seriously, Kashaln would probably have the city named after the commander who won the most glory. So, let's call it Kayonpur, after Kaion of the 202nd (one of the named SS characters).

>>50041714
I like it, sure.

>>50041181
Doom never fails me, or fails in general.

>>50041700
Aodhán and Anshul give absolutely no shits. If it's the best weapon Sarco has then it's the best weapon Sarco has, where it comes from doesn't matter.

>>50042733
I always wanted to make a Dr. Doom deathwing captain.

>>50042832
I feel like Doom would probably be a Warp Raider or a super renegade aligned to nobody.

Technology and sorcery combined as one and such.

>>50043681
Behemoth Guard then?

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>Blackclads
As the bloody wars of the Great Crusade churned onward, the proficiency of Aodhán and his Negators in destroying the most terrible and resilient of foes saw them deployed more and more often against threats to the growing Imperium that the Emperor considered targets of utmost priority, often sworn to strict vows of silence and subject to surreptitious memory edits so as to guard them from unsavoury notions (it is a profound irony that the widespread nature of these memory alterations, as well as the fact that not even Aodhán himself had been spared from them, were among the driving forces that pushed the Legion into open rebellion). This, combined with the Legion's universal detestation of psykers and sorcery, meant that many companies of Negators were diverted to be deployed in situations where an upstart psyker population had become a severe issue, or where the Materium had been breached by that which lurks beyond.

The frequency of such deployments would eventually lead to the Emperor's usage of the Legion as testing ground for concepts as of yet unfinished, and it is through this that the Blackclad Orders arose. Viewed as womanly and disreputable by their brothers, Negators with the misfortune to exhibit psyker potential were historically among its weakest assets, their pariah stature often damaging their morale and further feeding the intense mockery they received from their fellows. The Blackclad Orders became such Legionnaires' greatest chance at redemption in the eyes of their brothers. Established and governed as a joint endeavour with a separate arm of Imperial servants including the Sisters of Silence, becoming a Blackclad would mean submitting oneself to a series of psycho-conditioning and hexagrammic warding procedures considered extreme even by the standards of Astartes.

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>>50044099
Runic inscriptions were dyed into a Blackclad's flesh and bones, restricting and constantly siphoning off their psyker abilities, as well as interfering with those of other Warp-sensitive minds in their presence. Though these arcane brands freed the Marines from the perceived curse of their abilities, they damaged their very souls in the process, transforming them into uncanny creatures of an innately disturbing nature. Armed with weapons designed to take advantage of their redirected psychic powers, such Marines were deployed as the tip of the spear in operations of an especially sensitive nature, usually against psyker threats or [RECORDS WITHDRAWN].

Generally accepting of their lot, Blackclads took to wreathing themselves in dark robes and bleaching their armour in shades of bone. They were hardly accepted among their peers, despite their sacrifice, but a certain level of respect eventually took root among the Legion for those with the bravery and willingness for self-sacrifice possessed by those who underwent the procedures - and this was all many Blackclad required to consider their life enriched. Over time, a certain romanticization of these unwelcome heroes grew, and though never fully included in much of Negators' society, the Blackclad were acknowledged as possessing a valiant nature of their own.

In modernity, many Negators companies have forgotten the rites and methodologies behind the creation of the Blackclads and their weapons, but others still preserve the tradition in some form or another.


Thoughts?

>>50044135
Sounds like something the Black Suns might use extensively.

>>50044135
So are these guys more or less devoted to Chaos than the other Negators?

>>50045001
Generally speaking, the main body of the Negators is not devoted to Chaos at all. Individual warbands go their separate ways, but the Legion's part in the Heresy was about freedom rather than devotion. They're Night Lords tier - many of them use Chaos, or think they do, but they see anyone that bows to a higher cosmic power as a pitiful fool.

Basically no Negator would publicly admit among their fellows that they worship Chaos. They'd be ostracized at best and beaten to death on the spot at worst.

Very, very few traditional Blackclads still exist if people like the idea of them enough to be canon. Many warbands and companies preserve the idea, but a lot of them no longer have access to the same hexagrammic warding techniques and technology. A lot of them use sorcerous warding to suppress their abilities that have a much steeper price - mutation and loss of sanity, often. This means a lot of Negators warbands end up with groups of barely-human monsters in warded power armour that stalk ahead of their lines. Some of these dudes aren't even psykers, they just hate sorcery so much they decided to undergo the process anyway.

>>50044980
AntiWarp stuff in general? Yeah that seems like their shtick.

i just noticed that the Black Suns are kind of the IA equivalent of the Grey Knights. A pariah among Space Marines, fighting Chaos with fervor, etc.

>>50039155
>>50039188
>>50039350
>>50040332
I like that. We could definitely bump Xun a bit later. I like the irony of Xun actually giving a shit and trying to find out who Rubinek was while Rubinek, who never met Xun either hates his guts. Nice tragic irony where one of the few who cared enough to try to find out who Rubinek was should turn out to be the witch.
Meanwhile, Xun has always wished he could reach out to his lost, dead brother, particularly after what happened with Oramar, but here's Rubinek who is trying to destroy everything he has.

>>50038987
To be fair, I think the making a deal with the chaos gods on Molech story is pretty dumb, though it may just be that I didn't like that book. After all, why keep that door open all those years?

I think this Emperor has something to do with a longstanding cosmic force called the Anathema which is anti-chaos.

I'm down for having something happen there between E-Money and Chaos and it being useful for Redacted and friends, but I'd prefer we changed what it was.

Maybe the world is a font of warp energy which the Emperor claimed as his own? Redacted and company go to take it, which then explains why they can't just shut the door.

>>50045498
That is actually quite true, now that you mentioned it. The Black Suns are the insane, evil monsters to the Grey Knights' incorruptible, heroic paladins, the shadow to consume the Daemon to the light to burn the evil away, the destroyer of sanity to the protector of humanity.

>>50046014
I want to write more stuff about them and the Ash Bearers. Any ideas?

>>50045953
I honestly think the bargain on Molech is perfect. It showcases Big E's greatest flaw, his immense hubris, in a way that makes sense.

He thought he could get away with dancing with the devil. He thought only he could possibly be trusted with these forces, hence his hypocrisy on sorcery.

I also think it makes him a more classical hero with a more classical downfall. He courted the fire and it burned him. The Molech version of Big E is a Promethean figure who hoarded divine power to himself and paid the consequences. He's emblematic of mankind's virtues, gaining his powers through intelligence and cunning rather than just being handed them at birth, and also its greatest flaws, squandering those powers through pride, hypocrisy and tribalism. I find that a great deal more compelling than "he's, like, a bunch of shamans or whatever."

>>50047124

The issue with it is that it makes it all go back to 'Yep, it was chaos all along' and 40k has way, way too much stuff go back to 'Yep, chaos is the big thing' as it is.

I'm always afraid that we'll summon Carnac with this type of discussion.

>>50045704
As Raydon was fond of Rubinek but not close with Xun until after the Heresy it might be an interesting set up to have Xun go hunting for info, a few primarchs tell him not to worry about it and such. Until he finally comes to Raydon. And is like, hey i know we dont talk much. But im trying to find out about xyz and nobody is tellibg me shit. Records indicate you two used to campaign together..

Que ballad/saga of the ironheart, a legendary but tragic figure.

>>50047181
My issue is if chaos gave him the power, then they could take it away. Making the horus heresy pointless imo.

>>50047181
Chaos is the big thing though. It always has been.

The Emperor still wielded Warp powers even before this reveal, and the Warp is the realm of Chaos. Every psyker is gettin their power from Chaos the same way every wizard gets their power from Chaos in WHFB. This is a fundamental concept of the worlds GW has built. The Warp is literally the place where all supernatural stuff in 40K, and for the most part life itself (seeing as stuff without a soul is treated as an error by the universe), comes from.

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>>50047367
>My issue is if chaos gave him the power, then they could take it away
If you teach injuns how to make guns, can you un-teach them? Some powers are easier to grant than to revoke. The Emperor learned something on Moloch, in the contaminated webway gate, something that changed him into a god.

>>50047367
>My issue is if chaos gave him the power, then they could take it away. Making the horus heresy pointless imo.

This is addressed. It's the reason he can't face them himself, and couldn't close the Ebon Gate.

They can't take his powers wherever because whatever deal he made with them was well considered enough by him that he the possibility of it was discluded by the terms. They can't touch him unless he comes to them, which is why they mess with the Primarchs.

Again, I like this because it illustrates his human virtues. His smarts, his drive, his willingness to take huge risks. I feel like some blob of dead shamans with infinite power for no reason is a poor reflection of the strengths and weaknesses of mankind.

>>50047264
Carnac's moved in to poisoning this discussion now?

>>50043833
DOOM worships no gods, bows to no man.

For real though he's already in 40K pretty much. He's a mostly unimportant character called The Emperor.

>>50047665
I mean the whole "chaos is the endgame" thing.

>>50047665
I donno. I dont particularly like the 'shamans did it' reason either.

But while i accept that the warp is part and parcel of the 40k universe i just dont like the idea of the Emperor being granted his powers.

Youre 100% right though that there are some really cool themes tied to the idea of a deal. You make a convincing argument though, it just doenst sit well with me.

>>50047665
So the Emperor made a deal to make him godlike. Cool.

Why did Chaos agree? What dod they get out of it. And why would they agree to a deal to grant a dude so much power without a means to take it away if he violates it. Or doesnt hold up his ejlnd of the bargain. And who enforces the conditions?

>>50048515
because the emperor is a gary stu and he swindled them

>>50047665
>>50048252
>>50048515
>>50048617
>>50048617
If it's a Webway gate, how about the deal has something to do with that? The Emperor stole some light of the empyrean that has something to do with navigation and warp travel? Perhaps the golden throne itself is based on something he pulled from the Akashic Library through the gate on Molech?

>>50048938
What did Xun think of >>50041700 ?

>>50049395

I don't know what Xun thinks, but I liked it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PO6Zk5qkYcA

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>>50041700
>"A noble and holy relic of the only crusade that ever deserved to be called Great. When the blade speaks, wise men listen."
-Alexios, at some point i guess

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>>50049398
>dat fugees loop

>>50049395
Oh, that reminds me, did you see the thing I wrote up on the blade eldar quest?

It's an Avatar's blade, right?

Xun probably wants to see it. Because he wants to know how it talks. And probably has never been allowed in the same room for that very reason.

>Xun and Redacted on Crusade
So given that Redacted isn't all paranoid and a jerk until later, odds are Redacted gives Xun an intro to using Astropathic communications and the like.

I'm thinking they fight the Slaugth or the Elohim.

>>50049395
Forgot to reply to that.

Raydon would have thought it poor form to be using a xeno weapon. But its more of a "you like vanilla ice cream more than chocolate? What are you a barbarian?" rather than "ALL THE HERESY"

In saying that, if he actually saw it bleeding blood and being obviously the weapon of demons (not that he knew what those were) He would probably say something about it.

Confirming Baleful Blade is demon weapon yeah?

>>50049536
I liked it, they wouldn't be Eldar without at least a hint of just as planned

>>50049544
The Baleful Blade was taken from an avatar of Khaine. When Sarco wielded it he could project energy through it from his chassis and use it as a power weapon, and a librarian can take advantage of its psykoactive properties and use it as a force weapon. No daemons involved, unless you count Eldar gods.

>>50049606
Avatars are demons though right? So its a demon weapon.

Am I totally off the mark

>>50049689
I know Dawn of War counts them as daemons for the purposes of Grey Knight bonuses, and they are of the warp, but I usually categorize daemons as warp creatures from within the sphere of one of the chaos gods.

>>50049705
I figured they were demons because its a warp entity, and I don't see the difference between a nurgling and a bloodletter, so I just range anything that is warp born as a demon.

And if memory serves doesn't the weapon scream with like tortured souls? I figured it was a demon weapon

>>50049705
>>50049746
It's a daemon weapon in the broadest definition of the term of. The Avatar is technically a daemon, as well. Eldar gods lived in the warp, which is why the Avatar has the daemon rule.

>>50049746
>I just range anything that is warp born as a demon.
I wouldn't count khymerae, psychneuein or enslavers as daemons, and they're warp-borne. Another difference is the Eldar gods were created with a purpose rather than being the byproduct of millions of years of negative emotions. That said, I'm not sure if there's a set definition for daemons.

>And if memory serves doesn't the weapon scream with like tortured souls? I figured it was a demon weapon
The wailing doom does make a wailing sound, but I'm pretty sure it isn't because of tortured souls.

>>50047076
Well, a few examples that come to mind are:
>A battle from the Ash Bearers' point of view
>Report after initial contact and the reactions of the higher-ups
>The last battle in further detail

>>50049799
Its very likely I am just mis-remembering the cause of the screams.

But yeah I do consider khymerae as demons as they are formed from nightmares.

Enslavers I thought were not born of the warp, just lived there. If however thats incorrect and they do spawn from warp energies, then yes I consider them demons too.

Some might say my definition is broad.
Some would be right.

so what's the deal with the grey stars

>>50048617
>>50048938
Or how about a total departure from BL?

The Emperor chains something up on Molech. Something nasty that had been in the way of his plans to use the Webway. He can't remove it from the Webway, so he tricks it and binds it, claiming the Webway as his own. But this angers the gods and Redacted is sent to go free whatever it is. This has the side effect of fucking with the Eldar.
Redacted is blessed by the gods for his trouble.

Another thought:
During the Crusade, the Emperor was known to set up Xeno protectorates from time to time. Horus expected the Emperor to approve the Interex, the Administratum was preparing to offer the Laer a protectorate.

In our AU, we have Oramar and Kor who are both cool with Xenos.
I'd think this would imply Xeno protectorate are potentially a little more common than in the OU. Most likely the response in the East is to make them go live with Kor and his hippies, but I'd imagine there are some isolated exceptions, carrying on the tradition from 10,000 years ago, particularly since the practice is the justification for Kor being allowed to evacuate the Tau.

I don't think this changes much with any of the major named races, but I'd think the Demiurg might be allowed to ply the star lanes of the Jade Empire, etc. They'd have to accept an approved navigator and the captain and command crew would have to be licensed by the Empire, but that's standard operating proceedure. The fact that Demiurg seldom take the exams and this means that much of the command staff is human is not important.
Something like that.

With treatment like that, it's hardly surprising Xenos that can make for the libertarian protectorate.

>>50050738
> But this angers the gods and Redacted is sent to go free whatever it is.
When?
And to what end.

>>50050974
>Everyone hates Anders and the Protectorate
>Xun says "Its happening in the Protectorate surely I can do it too"
>Expects intergalactic-relations to continue in a non-fuck you way.
Good luck have fun, xeno sympathising witch.

Ill go get some popcorn and find a seat to watch the Angels of Light, Fists of Mars, and Crimson Warhawks burn down the Jade Empire in such a way to make Rubinek blush.

>>50051056
>When
Whenever he goes to Molech. I'm suggesting this as the McGuffin on Molech in place of a door into the warp where you can swindle the gods.

>>50050974
>>50051056


>The Xeno Thing

Nah, what I'm saying is:

>OU has some examples of the Emperor granting Xenos protectorate status

>Black Templar find some Xenos who worship the Emperor and don't purge them

>This AU has Oramar and Anders, who don't get immediately purged who are both big on Xenos

>Even in the East, the concept of the protectorate has enough weight that it's used as the legal justification for Kor evacuating the Tau

Therefore it seems likely that Xenos are a bit more tolerated than in the OU.

An example of what this might look like is the Jade Empire being crazy condescending to some Xenos species like the Demiurg. Or maybe some species in the Storm Kingdom is allowed the dubious honor of serving as meatshield or forge-dwarf. Or maybe the Broken Blades are on openly friendly terms with some xenos beyond the occasional xenos merchants and mercs that happens in the OU.

>>50051349
>legal justification for Kor evacuating the Tau

that or the fact the war was taking too much of a toll and people cared more about surviving than purging

>>50051349
>Broken Blades
Don't be drawing the noble knights into your heretical theories.

What you do in your borders is your business, the Blades hold the line.

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>>50051396
forgot to attach crucial imagery.

>>50049395
>>50049398
>>50049460
>>dat fugees loop

I agree, it's a good loop:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uUyDcGSMPEQ

>>50051056
Everyone hates Kor because he treats xenos as equals. There are sanctioned aliens even in the 41st millennium Imperium.

>>50049544
>In saying that, if he actually saw it bleeding blood and being obviously the weapon of demons (not that he knew what those were) He would probably say something about it.

I imagine he'd have shit to say about Aodhan's weapon then, since it was literally doing that all the time.

Though IIRC he got it later on into the Crusade so maybe Raydon never saw him use it.

>>50051404
>forgot to attach crucial imagery.

I've seen better heresy memes back in the day.

PROMPT

What made Klaus Staffel so great? Was it just his sacrifice? Or was there more?
Why did your, or any other Primarch, respect him so much? Or did your primarch not like him at all?

Don't answer this just for your 'own' primarch, try to answer it for a Primarch that doesn't have an active sponsor (e.g., Marcus, Engerand, Graha'nak, REDACTED, etc).

>>50051693
Correct. Aodhándidn't come by Widowmaker until the latter part of the Great Crusade. Prior to that he used Virago, an ancient paragon blade that generated such a potent power field it would often burn it's own wielder, and Beldam, an archeotech thermal beam pistol that switched at random between firing diffused rays and focused lances of incredible heat.

>>50052313
Every Primarch probably respected his martial proficiency and his courage. But a lot of Primarchs, I imagine, saw the things they valued in themselves in Klaus. Anders, Anshul and possibly Xun for example probably admired his kindness. Kashaln would have respected how effortlessly he epitomised the image of the dutiful warrior. Enoch probably admired his loyalty (ironyyyy) even when he personally disagreed with the commands he was given, and his sheer tenacity. Graha'nak approved of his ability to overcome fear and inspire courage in others. Aodhánrespected Klaus' exceptional skills and his deeds.

>>50014736
Forgot to reply to this. I like it a lot and it seems like the kind of thing the Blade would have them do.

>>50053192
Shit, wrong name.

>>50053199
Damn, that's quite the switch.

Btw, like I asked a couple of days ago, if anyone's got some time to kill, just post your steam name and I'll hit you up.

>>50053010
Those things seem unreliable to say the least.

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>>50053857
Negators are the Legion that stick melta bombs on poles and whack the enemy with them.

You don't need a second shot if the first one completely obliterates your enemy. Don't need a second life, either.

>>50053959
I see. That also explains their name in several ways.

>>50051396
You're missing my point. See

>>50053970
Yeah. In the perfect scenario, all that should be left of a Negators' foe are stories of how he totally kicked their ass into the dirt and wiped them out.

>>50054263
Good thing the Black Suns don't have to deal with them. They may be Warp-resistant, hellish creatures in the shape of a Marine, but they are far from meltabomb-proof.

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"Forward! Forward! You boys wanna live forever!?"

Lasfire flashed in the black of Enzo's brain. Sputtering into the dirt, he raked his fingers through Ossrum's soil. The earth here was hard and dry, clinging to his pores, spiraling in his breath.

"Move, move, move!" Sergeant Ternion's voice clamoured like thunder in his ears, and for a moment he felt disparate from time, his mind reeling backward to the earliest days of basic, when his commanding officer had screamed him into the dirt for hours on end. "Get into it, ladies!"

Heaving himself to his knees, the lance corporal felt his breath sag in his lungs, every bone in his body aching. A sharp, shrill warble cut between the screams of the battlefield, and he vaguely recalled the burst of light and fury that had launched him off his feet. Blinking the haze from his eyes, he grasped desperately through the dirt, reaching for anything that could give him a sense of solidity - his lasrifle, his warped, scalded dog-tags, his med bag. Reality began to assert itself once more.

The night sky overhead was cut to ribbons with arcs of flashing lasfire, the earth shaking periodically as distant percussions hurled shells the size of his old family house on Miranda into the void above. Figures moved in throngs of ten and twelve or more in the half-light, the occasional bursts of las-light revealing faces contorted in anger or fear or raw, heady excitement.

He nearly discharged his weapon in shock as a heavy hand fell upon his shoulder, a series of insectoid clicks transitioning into Low Gothic as private Zslethek's personal translator worked its magic.

"Come." The private's mandibles chirped furiously, his segmented eyes darting warily between Enzo and something up ahead, but the translation software built into his helmet delivered his speech in perfect, monotone Gothic, without inflection or haste. "We. Must. Move."

Well, he had that right.

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>>50054314
Letting his squadmate help him up, he staggered down the slight incline that lead up toward the rest of the hill. The burned-out carcass of a sticken Stormraven jutted from the earth nearby, its front compartment utterly flattened upon contact with the rocky surface of Ossrum, flames licking at its immense turbines as they spun fitfully in vain attempts to shift the vehicle's weight. A low, haggard moan cut through the stuttering whir of the gutted transport's engines, and he caught sight of a lone trooper clutching at his leg near the crumpled wing of the Stormraven, the earth beneath him blackened by growing pool of blood.

Tugging at Zslethek's shoulder, he nodded toward the fallen soldier. Chirping a low "Affirmative", the private followed as he slid down the incline toward the wounded man.

"Help. Is. Here."

Kneeling beside the screaming soldier, Zslethek tried to keep him from pawing at his injury - a mangled crevasse of torn meat and bone, biting deep into the soldier's knee - while Enzo fished through his med bag. His fingers shaking, he repeated the names of his tools as he searched through them, trying to focus, his mouth suddenly dry, causing his voice to rasp awkwardly, like a teenager on the graceless cusp of adulthood. Finally managing to track down his heat scalpel, he knelt down beside his patient.

"Hold" - His voice croaked lopsidedly, and he stopped briefly collecting himself. "Hold him. I gotta get at his deep tissues..."

Mandibles rustling against one another in confirmation, Zslethek mumbled a stilted apology as he moved to pry the man's hands away from his wound, causing him to scream all the louder. Enzo frowned deeply, but before he could fully express his exasperation, the shriek of tearing metal shook the heat scalpel from between his fingers, sending a nervous jolt through his entire body.

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>>50054450
An armoured figure, shoulders clad in vast pauldrons and almost seven foot tall, tore its way free of the ruined Stormraven's passenger compartment. Layers of green and black paint bubbled and flaked across the giant's armour, the heat of the transport's innards rushing out over Enzo and his comrades, almost scalding what of his skin his uniform didn't cover. A deep rumble shook through the armoured figure's re-breather as it staggered free of the wreck, one hand tugging at jagged shard of shrapnel embedded in its midsection, the likes of which would have skewered a mortal man. In its other hand hung a broad, vicious weapon, its length mimicking the shape of a sword, a set of cruel, jagged teeth slowly turning along its edges.

Wrenching the metal spike from its gut and casting it aside, it fixed its optics upon Enzo, and the lance corporal felt his stomach turn, his blood running sour and cold in his veins. He barely believed it when he heard his own voice rising above the din of the battle.

"Marine! Marine!"

He would never forget how fast the armoured figure moved. For a creature laded down under almost a ton of ceramite, it slipped through the air with almost preternatural quickness, the dirt churning beneath its immense boots. Shooting him a final, sidelong glance with those glimmering eyes of his, Zslethek rose to his feet, discharging his weapon in a quick, controlled burst of lasfire that lashed across the Marine's armoured features in sputters of caustic red light.

"Get. Some. Get. Some. Get" -

>>50054652
>>50054450
>>50054314
You doing NaNoWriMo?

>>50054652
I like it.
What chapter is that they're fighting?

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>>50054652
His weapon doing little more than scorching the surface of the giant's armour, Zslethek barely managed a second burst before the Marine's chainsword tore through his stomach, showering Enzo in a spray of foul-smelling liquids. In one last act of defiance, the private attempted to hook his mandibles into the soft spot beneath the Marine's helmet, blood spewing from his open mouth, but an armoured hand intercepted the attempt, closing around his neck and much of his head with a sickening crunch. Zslethek twitched spastically, the chainsword's teeth roaring as they churned through his ribs, splitting bone and flesh alike, before going limp.

"Hotshot!" Transfixed by the appalling display of violence, Enzo nearly jumped out of his carapace armour as Sergeant Ternion's voice boomed in his ears. "Hotshot, ladies!"

Clawing his way back through the earth, his heart pounding in his throat, he caught a glimpse of several silhouettes forming up just above the incline, lasrifles readied. The air bulged with heat as a volley of hissing red light snapped over his head, the Marine staggering back awkwardly as each shot drilled a smoking hole in its armour.

Letting out a roar in garbled High Gothic, the monstrous figure whirled its chainsword about, Zslethek's prone body still impaled upon its length. Flying loose, the ruined corpse practically exploded in mid-flight as a second volley sliced through it, but enough of poor Zslethek was left slam into the three troopers closest, knocking one of them off his feet and sending the other two recoiling back, retching uncontrollably. The Marine was on them in an instant, its armoured boot descending upon the downed trooper's chest, flattening it into the earth with a sickening crunch, her screams cut short before she could fully comprehend her last moments. The chainsword scythed through the air, dismembering one man in a quick, deft motion, parting his upper body from his lower in a shower of gore and digestive fluids.

>>50054767
I've never actually done it. Maybe I will. I write for a living anyway, but not in that sense.

>>50054787
Crypt Vultures. Angels of Light successor.

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>>50054828
The third man hard barely brought his lasrifle back to bear before a dismissive, offhand blow by the back of the Marine's palm drove him into the dirt, his head nearly snapping free of his body, eyes turning glassy and cold before he hit the ground.

The troopers behind him scattered, Ternion tripping over his own boots and landing in an undignified heap, the sergeant managing to get a single burst of lasfire off before his weapon was punted from his grasp, arcing almost gracefully through the air before embedding itself deep into the earth, its barrel twisted beyond repair.

Its breath heaving in distorted gasps through its damaged re-breather, the Marine raised its chainsword aloft, and a sudden wave of terrible heat washed over Enzo, causing him to shield his face instinctively.

"Burn, smeg, burn!"

The armoured figure stumbled back, suddenly reduced to a silhouette of towering black as a sheet of flame rolled across it. Inching forward from the other side of the Stormraven, private Jelana advanced upon the beast, her flamer roaring in her grip, its nozzle spewing torrents of blinding fire over the Marine. The sound it made as it flailed ineffectually at itself, the accelerate clinging tenaciously to its armour, biting slowly but surely through the layers of reinforced ceramite - the sound was something out of a nightmare, a bellow from the very pit of its soul, torn somewhere between agony and exasperation. It wasn't how much it hurt, Enzo realized, that made the creature swipe so desperately at itself, that made it scream with such primal anger.

It just wanted them dead that badly.

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>>50055114
"Burn!" Jelana shrieked, the light of the fire rippling across her electric-blue skin. "Burn like your smeg Emperor burned!"

The Marine's legs buckled as it clawed at its armour, but it remained standing, despite the terrible heat of the blaze. Her weapon's heatsink reaching its limit, Jelana eased up on the trigger, stepping back to let her weapon's cooling protocols do their work.

Gritting his teeth, Enzo dragged himself to his feet, every inch of his body aflame with the excitement and rage born from utter terror. Springing himself off the folded wing of the Stormraven, he planted a boot straight in the center of the Marine's armoured chest, the heat of the fire nearly searing straight through the material. Disoriented and wracked with terrible pain, the giant folded down to one knee, the ground shaking at the impact, Enzo staggering slightly as he ground his foot into the dirt of Ossrum. That had been like kicking a solid metal bulkhead.


Hefting his lasrifle, he drove the barrel of the weapon straight into the Marine's left optic, the impact barely cracking its surface.

"Go lick your White Angel's scrote, filth."

He pulled the trigger. The back of the Marine's helmet burned bright as the sheer heat of the point-blank burst tore through its faceplate. The giant's body jerked horrifically, its fingers grasping for a moment at the air, as though determined to cling to life, determined to spend its remaining wrath on Enzo and his squad, before it finally sank down to the earth, silent and still.

A strange sense of quiet descended upon them, even as the distant shouting from the top of the hill continued on. The fires burned out across the fallen giant's body, never fully worming their way through its armour, merely leaving it glowing with yellow-red heat.

Enzo helped the sergeant up while Jelana retrieved the dog-tags of the fallen, and they trudged their way up toward the top of the hill, their bodies shaking with unspent adrenaline.

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>>50055222
The view from the top wasn't much of anything. Nothing on Ossrum was much of anything - it was a ball of dirt that just so happened to be within spitting distance of somewhere marginally nicer. Nobody stood to win anything here, save a slightly better spot to spit in each others' eyes from.

Immense plumes of dust and promtheum discharge curled upward from the lowlands stretching out below, where Enzo, without his helmet's imaging software fully operational, could barely make out the shapes of the Minorum armoured division advancing on 7th and 8th company's fortified landing site, lascannons flashing in the dark, tracing momentary lines of blinding white light through the night.

"Alright, ladies." Ternion limped slightly as he made his way beside the lance corporal, something long and heavy cradled in his arms. "Time to do what we're here for."

Nearly pitching forward in surprise, Enzo had to right himself as the object was thrust into his grasp, eliciting a brief chorus of nervous chuckles from the surrounding troopers.

"Do the honours, Enzo." Somehow, everything the sergeant ever said came out as a growl, even when there was pride in his voice. "You did good back there, son."

He looked down, and his eyes nearly popped out of their sockets.

"Sir..." The object in his arms was a long, cylindrical weapon, deceptively slender in design, capped with a bulging silver warhead. "This is... Tacticals aren't cleared for use against sapients."

Ternion grinned lopsidedly, his scars shifting the geography of his face into a vision of hell.

"Son, what Kor doesn't know, Kor won't worry over."

He gawked down at the weapon in his arms in silence, his every breath seeming to sway in his lungs, his fingers feeling like lead.

"Nuke 'em, Enzo. These bastards deserve total liberation."

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>>50055536
He remembered the hate in that armoured giant's scream, the casual violence that powered its limbs and tore through his friends. He remembered Zslethek's body caught in its final spasms, his head crumpled beyond recognition.

Slinging the launcher over his shoulder, he took aim, and pulled the trigger.

In the fire that followed, sergeant Ternion's smile seemed a streak of clotted blood, the red light of an early dawn casting his features in the same colours that consumed that rabid, hateful Marine. The fire climbed and climbed, scorching the sky, burning everything for miles, and he felt a delicate hands upon his shoulder, private Jelana whispering in his ear, her lips feeling like an electrical charge upon his skin.

"Good job, soldier boy."

>>50055556
So close to quints.
Good shit overall.

>>50055222
>222
>55
>00

Totally not Rico is clearly powered by checkems.

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Actual picture of VANTH

Petition to rename the Negators to the Multiples Getters?

>>50052313
Raydon liked him because he was humble and loyal.

He was happy with his place in the world, and did his job. He was proficient at both command and combat. He was courageous but more so inspired others to be the same.

>>50056156
The Dub Angels.

>>50056091
>Legiones Astartes: Negators
>"Before deployment, roll 2D6. If they roll the same number, you may check 'em."

PROMPT

What things do your Primarchs regret way into the latter stages of their lives? Beyond big, obvious stuff like losing the Heresy (lol, loyalists, amirite?). Aodhán regrets that he couldn't get to Raydon after Malphas, which he intended to do after either turning or killing Sarco, and that he didn't help Klaus against the Warmaster. He doesn't know if the two of them could have killed him, but he wishes he'd tried, as then there'd be no Emperor at all had they succeeded. Plus he'd have been able to fight Klaus after.

>>50056959
Among other things, Saul would probably regret trusting Cyrus, or even the years of "friendship" they had.

>>50056959
>failing to foresee the heresy
>failing to save Rubinek and prevent his excommunication.
>failing to give Aodhan a good death after his inevitable fall from grace.

I was tossing up an idea, so Raydon is big into loyalty family comradarie.

He also thought of his pre-imperial ship command crew as his brothers and sisters. And having a photograpgic memory like all Astartes (i assume primarchs do too) he actually mourns them much like he would a fallen Primarch.

Thoughts?

>>50056959
Sarco's biggest regret should be obvious.
His second biggest regret is probably not helping his brothers learn from his mistakes.