/hwg/ - Historical Wargames General

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>Wargaming Compendium
http://www.mediafire.com/download/cghxf3475qy46aq/Wargaming+Compendium.pdf
>Saga
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/alj31go19tmpm/SAGA
>Black Powder
http://www.mediafire.com/download/o5x6blwoczojmfr/Black+Powder.pdf
>Bolt Action
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/n7jmdnlv1n0ju/Bolt_Action
>Hail Caesar
https://mega.nz/#F!XsVD0KgT!twB1NWiFE3aKXK_O1EZ4pA
>Warhammer Ancient battles 2.0
http://www.mediafire.com/download/uttov32riixm9b0/Warhammer+Ancient+Battles+2E.pdf
http://www.mediafire.com/download/ta7aj1erh7sap1t/Warhammer+Ancient+Battles+-+Armies+of+Antiquity+v2.pdf
>Warmaster Ancients
http://www.mediafire.com/download/cifld8bl3uy2i5g/Warmaster+Ancients.pdf
http://www.mediafire.com/download/3emyvka11bnna1b/Warmaster+Ancient+Armies.pdf
>Advanced Squad Leader
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/d9x0dbxrpjg48/Advanced_Squad_Leader
>Impetus
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/28i9gevqws518/Impetus
>Battleground WWII
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/cb83cg7ays4l1/Battleground_WWII
>By Fire And Sword
https://mega.co.nz/#!jxgCWTYD!FCp52DAqIUc-EM-TsRsWv7fB92nJ3kkzKsNcD_urI5Q
>Modelling & painting guides
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/7b5027l7oaz05/Modelling_%26_Painting_Guides
>Twilight 2000/2013 RPG
https://mega.co.nz/#F!C9sQhbwb!NVnD4jvUn5inOrPJIAkBhA
>Phoenix Command RPG
https://mega.co.nz/#F!b5tgXRwa!mzelRNrKPjiT8gP7VrS-Jw
>Next War (GMT)
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/eupungrg93xgb/Next_War
>Battlegroup
https://mega.nz/#F!SolyxarJ!GUg6zWBStfznr6BvYedghQ
>Fleet Series
https://mega.nz/#F!i1N3xZxL!C6fQ3Z8o2U0gtk5kdXuVcQ

Desired scans :
Black Powder supplements
Rank and File supplements
Harpoon 3 & 4 supplements
Force on Force supplements
Hind Commander
At Close Quarters
War and Conquest

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26th October in military history:

1185 – The Uprising of Asen and Peter begins on the feast day of St. Demetrius of Thessaloniki.
1341 – The Byzantine civil war of 1341–47 formally begins with the proclamation of John VI Kantakouzenos as Emperor.
1597 – Imjin War: Admiral Yi Sun-sin routs the Japanese Navy of 300 ships with only 13 ships at the Battle of Myeongnyang.
1775 – King George III of Great Britain goes before Parliament to declare the American colonies in rebellion, and authorized a military response to quell the American Revolution.
1813 – War of 1812: A combined force of British regulars, Canadian militia, and Mohawks defeat the Americans in the Battle of the Chateauguay.
1881 – The Gunfight at the O.K. Corral takes place at Tombstone, Arizona.
1909 – Itō Hirobumi, four time Prime Minister of Japan and Resident-General of Korea, is assassinated by An Jung-geun at the Harbin train station.
1912 – First Balkan War: The Ottoman occupied city of Thessaloniki, is liberated and unified with Greece.
1917 – World War I: Battle of Caporetto; Italy suffers a catastrophic defeat to the forces of Austria-Hungary and Germany. The young unknown Oberleutnant Erwin Rommel captures Mount Matajur with only 100 Germans against a force of over 7000 Italians.
1917 – World War I: Brazil declares war on the Central Powers.
1918 – Erich Ludendorff, quartermaster-general of the Imperial German Army, is dismissed by Kaiser Wilhelm II of Germany for refusing to cooperate in peace negotiations.
1940 – The P-51 Mustang makes its maiden flight.
1942 – World War II: In the Battle of the Santa Cruz Islands during the Guadalcanal Campaign, one U.S. aircraft carrier is sunk and another aircraft carrier is heavily damaged, while two Japanese carriers and one cruiser are heavily damaged.
1943 – World War II: First flight of the Dornier Do 335 "Pfeil".
1944 – World War II: The Battle of Leyte Gulf ends with an overwhelming American victory.

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It is 99 years since the start of the Battle of Caporetto (also known as the Twelfth Battle of the Isonzo, the Battle of Kobarid or the Battle of Karfreit), fought near the town of Kobarid (now in north-western Slovenia, then part of the Austrian Littoral), on the Austro-Italian front of World War I. The battle was named after the Italian name of the town.

Austro-Hungarian forces, reinforced by German units, were able to break into the Italian front line and rout the Italian army, which had practically no mobile reserves. The battle was a demonstration of the effectiveness of the use of stormtroopers and the infiltration tactics. The use of poison gas by the Germans also played a key role in the collapse of the Italian Second Army

In August 1917 von Hindenburg decided that to keep the Austro-Hungarians in the war, the Germans had to help them defeat the Italian army. Ludendorff was opposed to this but was overruled. In September three experts from the Imperial General Staff, led by the chemist Otto Hahn, went to the Isonzo front to find a site suitable for a gas attack. They proposed attacking the quiet Caporetto sector, where a good road ran west through a mountain valley to the Venetian plain.

The Austro-Hungarian Army Group Boroević, commanded by Svetozar Boroević, was prepared for the offensive. In addition, a new 14th Army was formed with nine Austrian and six German divisions, commanded by the German Otto von Below. The Italians inadvertently helped by providing weather information over their radio.

Foul weather delayed the attack for two days but on 24 October there was no wind and the front was misted over. At 02:00, 894 metal tubes dug into a reverse slope similar to Livens projectors (Gaswurfminen), were triggered electrically to simultaneously fire canisters containing 600 ml (21 imp fl oz; 20 US fl oz) of chlorine-arsenic agent and diphosgene, smothering the Italian trenches in the valley in a dense cloud of poison gas.

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>>49967673
Knowing that their gas masks could protect them only for two hours or less, the defenders fled for their lives, though 600 were still killed. Then the front was quiet until 06:00 when all the Italian wire and trenches to be attacked were bombarded by mortars.

At 06:41, 2,200 guns opened fire, many targeting the valley road along which reserves were advancing to plug the gap. At 08:00 two large mines were detonated under strong points on the heights bordering the valley and the infantry attacked. Soon they penetrated the almost undefended Italian fortifications in the valley, breaching the defensive line of the Italian Second Army. To protect the attackers' flanks Alpine Troops infiltrated the strong points and batteries along the crests of the adjoining ridges, playing out their telephone lines as they advanced to maintain contact with their artillery. They made good use of the new German model 08/15 Maxim light machine gun, light trench mortars, mountain guns, flamethrowers and hand grenades.

The attackers in the valley marched almost unopposed along the excellent road toward Italy. The Italian army beat back the attackers on either side of the sector where the central column attacked, but Below's successful central penetration threw the entire Italian army into disarray. Forces had to be moved along the Italian front in an attempt to stem von Below's breakout, but this only weakened other points along the line and invited further attacks. At this point, the entire Italian position was threatened.

The Italian 2nd Army commander Luigi Capello was commanding while bedridden with fever. Realizing that his forces were ill-prepared for this attack and were being routed, Capello requested permission to withdraw back to the Tagliamento. He was overruled by Cadorna who believed that the Italian force could regroup and hold out. Finally, on 30 October, Cadorna ordered the majority of the Italian force to retreat to the other side of the Tagliamento.

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>>49967686
It took the Italians four days to cross the river, and by this time the German and Austro-Hungarian armies were on their heels. About this time, however, the rapid success of the attack caught up with them. Their supply lines were stretched to breaking point and consequently they were unable to launch another attack to isolate a part of the Italian army against the Adriatic. Cadorna was able to retreat further and by 10 November had established a position on the Piave River, where the Central Powers advance ended.

When inadequate provisioning was combined with the gruelling night marches preceding the battle of Caporetto, a heavy toll was imposed on the German and Austro-Hungarian forces. Despite these logistical problems, the initial assault was extremely successful. However, as the area controlled by the combined Central Powers forces expanded, an already limited logistical capacity was overstrained.

Luigi Cadorna was forced to resign after the defeat, a final straw according to the Prime Minister, Vittorio Emanuele Orlando. Cadorna was known to have maintained poor relations with the other generals on his staff and by the start of the battle had sacked hundreds of officers. In addition, he was detested by his troops as being too harsh. Cadorna had been directing the battle 20 miles (32 km) behind the front and retreated another 100 mi (160 km) to Padua when replaced.

Italian losses were enormous: 10,000 were killed, 30,000 wounded and 265,000 were taken prisoner – morale was so low among the Italian troops, mainly due to Cadorna's harsh disciplinary regime, that most of these surrendered willingly. About 3,000 guns, 3,000 machine guns and 2,000 mortars were lost, along with a vast amount of stores and equipment. The Central Powers lost 70,000 killed and wounded.

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>>49967710
After this battle, the term "Caporetto" gained a particular resonance in Italy. It is used to denote a terrible defeat – the failed General Strike of 1922 by the socialists was referred to by Mussolini as the "Caporetto of Italian Socialism".

The Italian Front in WW1 is a neglected part of a neglected conflict in wargaming. Only one ruleset I can think of (Chadwick's old Over The Top) even includes an Italian army list. But it's a fascinating story, equally epic in its bravery and human suffering to anywhere else. This is were Rommel and Hemingway both fought. Caporetto is a historic encounter in terms of the weapons and tactics used, and offers a lot of potential for the strategic gamer.

http://www.mediafire.com/file/h3wu87l14anhosb/Osprey+-+ELI+084+-+Trench+Warfare+WWI+%282%29+1916-18.pdf
http://www.mediafire.com/file/mesh1fg1zgif6gq/Osprey+-+ELI+150+-+World+War+I+Gas+Warfare+Tactics+%26+Equipment.pdf
http://www.mediafire.com/file/1uqxk4dav2q3fgb/Osprey+-+MAA+387+-+The+Italian+Army+of+WW1.pdf
http://www.mediafire.com/file/rcx6rsk8caaus17/Osprey+-+MAA+397+-+The+Austro-Hungarian+Forces+In+World+War+I+%282%29+1916-18.pdf
http://www.mediafire.com/file/s877p9mr169trsf/Osprey+-+WAR+012+-+German+Stormtrooper+1914-18.pdf

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It is 135 years since the Gunfight at the O.K. Corral, a 30-second shootout between lawmen and members of a loosely organized group of outlaws called the Cowboys that took place at about 3:00 p.m. on Wednesday, October 26, 1881 in Tombstone, Arizona Territory. It is generally regarded as the most famous shootout in the history of the American Wild West. The gunfight was the result of a long-simmering feud, with Cowboys Billy Claiborne, Ike and Billy Clanton, and Tom and Frank McLaury on one side and town Marshal Virgil Earp, Special Policeman Morgan Earp, Special Policeman Wyatt Earp, and temporary policeman Doc Holliday on the other side. All three Earp brothers had been the target of repeated death threats made by the Cowboys, who were upset by the Earps' interference in their illegal activities. Billy Clanton and both McLaury brothers were killed. Ike Clanton claimed that he was unarmed and ran from the fight, along with Billy Claiborne. Virgil, Morgan, and Doc Holliday were wounded, but Wyatt Earp was unharmed. The shootout has come to represent a period of the American Old West when the frontier was virtually an open range for outlaws, largely unopposed by law enforcement officers who were spread thin over vast territories.

The gunfight was not well-known to the American public until 1931, when Stuart Lake published the initially well-received biography Wyatt Earp: Frontier Marshal two years after Earp's death. The book was the basis for the 1946 film My Darling Clementine, directed by John Ford, and the 1957 film Gunfight at the O.K. Corral, after which the shootout became known by that name. Since then, the conflict has been portrayed with varying degrees of accuracy in numerous Western films and books, and has become an archetype for much of the popular imagery associated with the Old West.

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>>49967753
Despite its name, the gunfight did not take place within or next to the O.K. Corral, which fronted Allen Street and had a rear entrance lined with stalls on Fremont Street. The shootout actually took place in a narrow lot on the side of C. S. Fly's Photographic Studio on Fremont Street, six doors west of the O.K. Corral's rear entrance. Some members of the two opposing parties were initially only about 6 feet (1.8 m) apart. About 30 shots were fired in 30 seconds. Ike Clanton's brother Billy had been killed, and he filed murder charges against the Earps and Doc Holliday. The lawmen were eventually exonerated by a local justice of the peace after a 30-day preliminary hearing and then by a local grand jury.

The gunfight was not the end of the conflict. On December 28, 1881, Virgil Earp was ambushed and maimed in a murder attempt by the Cowboys. On March 18, 1882, Cowboys fired from a dark alley through the glass door of a saloon, killing Morgan Earp. The suspects in both incidents furnished alibis supplied by other Cowboys and were not indicted. Wyatt Earp, newly appointed as Deputy U.S. Marshal in Cochise County, then took matters into his own hands in a personal vendetta. He was pursued by county sheriff Johnny Behan, who had received a warrant from Tucson for Wyatt's shooting of Frank Stilwell.

Wild West shootouts have always been a popular staple of skirmish wargaming - and what better gun battle is there to recreate than the most famous shootout of them all?

https://www.mediafire.com/folder/2by3o3ztwg26t/WH_Legends_of_the_Old_West
http://www.mediafire.com/file/pjuj52pbuoxqj4j/Six+Gun+Sound.pdf
http://www.mediafire.com/file/c1cov3ohbm3530o/Osprey+-+ELI+096+-+American+Frontier+Lawmen+1850-1930.pdf

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This month's community project is a recon or scout asset.

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>>49967673
> Svetozar Boroević

Interesting guy, doesn't get as much press as he deserves.

One of the more competent commanders of the war (especially by Austro-Hungarian standards). Was actually pretty decent to his men as well and was something of a hero to them.

After the war the Yugos wouldn't take him in and he died in pseudo-exile in Austria, they even confiscated all his belongings while they were being transported through Slovenia.

>>49967616
What were that supposed to mean?

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>2016
>playing any scale other than 6mm

>>49969681
>2016
>being a scale elitist

>>49969735
>>2016
>>being

>>49969735
>2016
>not carrying a full battalion in a shoebox

>>49969808
You lose, I primarily play 6mm so I DO do that.

I also have 28mm because that's also fun.

>>49969879
You just need really fucking big feet, and you can place a battalion in a shoebox.

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I tried a bit of pigment wash on my armored cars but i'm not sure if i got the mixture right between varnish, water and pigment. It felt very watery.
At least it changed the color of the texture paint underneath a little so some variety came in. Hopefully that stays once the stuff is dried.

>>49969808
>Not carrying 3 corps in a bookcase

>>49967442
If you're planning to do it in Bolt Action you should be aware that there is an individual entry for Free French forces in the France and the Allies supplement.

My /tg/ interests have only laid with RPGs until now, but I've got a real urge to try out some tabletop wargames. Not really interested in anything GW-related, not sure which era I'd like to try out (probably medieval European stuff).

I'm amazed out how affordable a lot of these miniatures are 30-something medieval soldiers for £20, which would get you like 10 regular 40k troops or something.

I'm thinking it's going to be hard to find people to play with though, there's not too strong of a culture of tabletop gaming here in the UK (at least in my previous experience), and I imagine most that are into wargames are probably going to gravitate towards Warhammer or whatever.

What era did you guys first get into? Did you come to historical games after first getting into Warhammer or something similar?

>>49970961
>which would get you like 10 regular 40k troops or something.
More like 5.

Mate, the UK is where historica wargaming was born basically.

>>49970961
>not too strong of a culture of tabletop gaming here in the UK

Wut. Wargaming in the modern sense was invented in Britain. It has the most clubs/groups and manufacturers of pretty much anywhere.

Where ever you live there is probably at least ONE wargaming club. That discounts people that just do it in there own home with there friends or former clubmates.

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>>49970961
If you're in Hampshire there's historical gamers all over the place. Many of them in here.
Because everyone is from Hampshire now.

>What era did you guys first get into? Did you come to historical games after first getting into Warhammer or something similar?

I started gaming with 2nd edition 40k. I stopped GW gaming when 6th edition warhammer became 7th, and just carried on from there with a mess of games, mostly historical. The locals play historicals pretty much solidly after everyone gradually fell out with GW, despite occasional bouts of Necromundaitus and Blood Bowl Fever. But there's no discrimination for/against historicals really, they just play what they enjoy.

>>49970961
>there's not too strong of a culture of tabletop gaming here in the UK (at least in my previous experience), and I imagine most that are into wargames are probably going to gravitate towards Warhammer or whatever.

UK is basically THE wargaming country. Almost all historical miniature makers (as well as GW themselves) comes from there.

Now to your questions:

>My /tg/ interests have only laid with RPGs until now, but I've got a real urge to try out some tabletop wargames.

Is there a LFGS (local friendly game store) in or near your town? You should go there and see/ask what people play in your area. Look at facebook for wargaming groups/clubs in your area too. Again, ask what is popular in your town.
Chances are that lots of people will play Warhammer, as it is always the case.

There are some other very popular games though. X-Wing for example. Now thats not really /hwg/-related of course.

The most popular historical games these days are Bolt Action (WW 2 with 28mm minis/i.e. "Warhammer scale"), Flames of War (WW2 15mm miniatures, so you field bigger armies and lots of tanks) and SAGA (a dark age skirmish game where you field a Warband of Vikings, Danes, Saxons etc). SAGA has a supplement that lets you play armies of the crusader era too.

The good thing about historical miniatures is that you can easily use them for different rulesets. Nobody will stop you if you use your Tiger tanks from Flames of War for a game of Battlegroup Kursk or even something silly like Tanks! (basically a skirmish game with only tanks. i.e. X-Wing in WW2)

>What era did you guys first get into?
I was always a ww2 guy and probably will always be.

Besides looking for local players/clubs etc, just get yourself a box of plastic knights if thats what you are into. Chances are you can use them for something at least.
I imagine Kings of War to be somewhat popular in GB too. It got a supplement for historical battles which apparently is compatible with the fantasy game too

>>49970961

>there's not too strong of a culture of tabletop gaming here in the UK

If you post where you are you'll probabley find someone in this thread nearby or who knows a club you could go to.

Then again you could throw a rock out your window and get much the same result.

I'm in Leeds BTW since I know some people on here get antsy about posting where they are.

>>49971576
>'m in Leeds BTW since I know some people on here get antsy about posting where they are
unless they are from Hampshire, apparently. They aren't shy at all.

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>>49967616
Any good games to be played on a 2x2 board? (Excluding dbx style games) I'm a nospacefag.

>>49971666

What period/style of game?

Ronin is played on a 2x2 board.

>>49971721
I've no preference just want to know what's available. Thanks for the recommendation I'll check it out.

>>49971796
Open Skirmish uses a 2x2 as well if i remember right.

>>49971176
>Wut. Wargaming in the modern sense was invented in Britain.

I was just sort of referring to tabletop in general, maybe I just live in an area where there's a particular drought. I do know that what gaming there is, is usually wargaming rather than RPGs or card stuff.

>>49971198
>If you're in Hampshire there's historical gamers all over the place. Many of them in here.

I'm in the North.

>>49971228
>The good thing about historical miniatures is that you can easily use them for different rulesets.

This is one of the things that really appeals to me about historicals rather than a 'franchise' wargame. I'll probably get some of the Perry Miniatures War of the Roses figures, saw someone mention them earlier in this thread (or the last) and they seem really nice.

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Finished the scouts for my British FIW army, and by extension this months project.
I'm not 100% happy with all of them, probably need to work on my uniform red painting when my Regulars arrive.

A lot of people on the internet have mentioned that the North Star miniatures are so much bigger than the Conquest miniatures and so wouldn't mix well, however I've added a photo comparing them at the end and, whilst clearly bigger I hardly think its an unmixable range.

>>49972320
Looking tidy matey. I think they mix alright as well.

>>49972012
Where abouts in the North are you?

>>49971936
Never even heard of Open Combat before, though Ronin has really piqued my interest. Thanks.

>>49972484
Yeah sorry I meant Open Combat.

>>49972484
Ronin's got a good system, though it's a little short on historical accuracy. (At least the designers knew what an ashigaru-gashira was)

>>49972637
>(At least the designers knew what an ashigaru-gashira was)

That's a comfort woman assigned to please an ashigaru, right?

>>49972672
Wouldn't that be a Korean

>>49969681
>>49969735
>>49969768
>>49969808
>>49969879
>>49969946
>2016
>not jet evolved to using counters
why bicker over scale when you are all still stuck mucking about at sub regimental level when Fronts are at your finger tips.

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My progress with the monthly project so far.
Hopefully i can finish at least one of them tomorrow.

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>>49972802
I'm not doing anything this time because I have nothing of worth

Working on some bronze age warriors and some celts/romans but thats all for Runequest/Glorantha

>>49972847
post them anyway

>>49967916

The guy went to stand at the post, and was told full well he was going to be shot dead, they even told him. And he did it, because he was ordered.

Following orders, particularly clearly fatal ones, is necessary for the army. Someone who follows those orders without hesitation is a hero.

>>49972944
Nah, only put on some base colours, will post them in the future though.

>>49972445
Sheffield sort of way

>>49973606
Sweet! Another Sheffield-anon. You in the city?

>>49973057
Dying for no purpose is stupid, there's a difference between listening to the chain of command and running pointlessly into getting yourself killed.

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>>49972802
Finished all my GHQs, just waiting on some scotia to see if they are shitty.
The modern russian uniform isnt quite this bright green, but its the only method I could find to stop them totally vanishing at tabletop distance.
USMC on the left, just for laff.
GHQ tanks super comfy to paint, 10/10
Gonna use the budget grassy mat beneath them to make modular tiles

>>49973697
>running pointlessly into getting yourself killed.

It's WWI, that's what everyone was doing.

>>49973744
>Cmon private! All the cool kids are doing it!
Say no to bullets

>>49973773
>Say no to bullets
Go home grandpa

>>49973652
Anon, I'm sorry.

I'm actually in Barnsley.

>>49973894
>Barnsley
No anon, IM sorry

>>49973744
Well at least they were trying to achieve something, unlike that general, "lol gunna get a private shot cause fuck privates"

>>49973894

I'm so very sorry.

>>49973929
That general is Luigi Cadorna, even during his actual offensives that was still basically his attitude.

Essentially, ordering that one private to get shot was just micromanagement for him.

>>49973894

It's ok anon, I'm not really in Leeds.

I'm in Bradford.

>>49973989
At least we're not in Rotherham.

>>49973989
As-salāmu ʿalaykum senpai

>>49972736

Who knows? they all look the same anyway

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>>49973744
>It's WWI, that's what everyone was doing.
not the conscientious objectors. Those guys dont get enough publicity. Refuse to fight, so get strung up in front of the lines on a pole in plain sight, essentially crucified in no mans land. Pretty rough.

>>49974232
>essentially crucified in no mans land.

Good.

The British ones maybe had an excuse, because Britain was never under threat of a land invasion and the WW1 U-boats were overhyped garbage. But French objectors? The Germans absolutely *would* have destroyed their country. Yes, France bears some of the responsibility for the war starting in the first place (not nearly as much as Germany/Austria/Serbia/etc), but they were the ones being outright invaded. Being a conscientious objector when your country isn't fighting for its life is fine or when you're the aggressor (see also: every American war ever, and especially every American war in the 20th century), but if your country is attacked by another nation bent on your nation's annihilation? You don't get to have that luxury. "Fight or be crucified" is a perfectly reasonable bent in that situation.

>>49974368
>if your country is attacked by another nation bent on your nation's annihilation

Was this even a thing for France? Germany mostly just wanted to knock them out of the war so they could focus on Russia, at least initially. And later on, major offensive efforts like Verdun didn't exactly have the goal of conquer France at the end of them.

>>49974368
eh its still pretty dumb. If someone doesn't want to fight, put them to use somewhere else, in a factory or something, or train them as a medic. Stringing someone up in no mans land is a bit of a waste of man power. But hey WW1 is essentially waste of man power: the war

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>>49967916
It's based on an anecdote of Cadorna, it illustrates the kind of general he was.

>>49975647
And then there's THATGUY with the Napoleonic bicorn on.

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>>49970322
If it doesn't stick try some pigment fixer.

Either (air)brush on before pigment or airbrush over top. It might darken the color if you apply it on top of pigment.

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>>49971666
Skirmish Sangin

Otherwise you're probably looking at 2 or 3mm

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>>49973726
Do you have any H&R? how well do the vehicles/infantry mix with GHQ?

About to take the plunge on starting 6mm. I just got a few GHQ models for cheap off ebay but H&R is so much cheaper. I've heard their recent stuff is actually pretty high quality so I'm thinking H&R might make the bulk of my collection.

>>49975966
That's a carabinieri hat, anon

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>>49976826
Not him but yeah, tons, and some GHQ as well.

They don't mix too well because GHQ has a lot more detail (exaggerated and otherwise) but are also in the larger 1:285 scale with a tendency to be even larger at times, where as H&R are far more solidly 1:300, their infantry are about 5mm where as GHQ is about 7mm.

Personally I prefer H&R because I'm poor and they're practically local, and when doing anything with a camo pattern detail just disappears anyway. Plus their gun barrels are suitably but not overly thick and don't bend if looked at funny unlike GHQ and their hair-thickness guns on many things.

LAV-75

>>49974368
>you're the aggressor (see also: every American war ever, and especially every American war in the 20th century)
Haha yes. Remember when the US declared war on Germany?

>>49978898
>Remember when the US declared war on Germany?
yeah weren't they 2 or 3 years late in each world war? in WW2 it was only Japan that brought them into the fight.

>>49978898

Be fair: if America hadn't been a bunch of racist, imperialist pricks out to fuck over Japan specifically, then Pearl never would have been attacked. They brought that attack entirely upon themselves, and I don't blame the Japenese one bit for taking every strategic advantage they could.

So yes, America was the aggressor and japan was merely defending its own interests. That's not even debateable.

>>49979049
not him but the embargoes placed on Japan were mostly a product of their invading china and everyone around. If japan had just laid low during WW2, no one would have cared about them.

>>49979049
Also not him, but if Japan hadn't decided to rape it's way across Asia or you know, stop raping their way across Asia, maybe the US wouldn't have found it necessary to take away their means to do so.

Deciding not to trade with someone is hardly an aggressive maneuver equivalent to declaring war. If your local convince store decides to stop selling to you after you beat a puppy to death going in a breaking the storeowner's knees is hardly a justified response.

>>49976945
>Still a bicorn hat.

>>49979049
>>49979115

Come on, people - Pacific theatre of WW2 was nothing more than a showdown between two newbie (& on the rise) imperialistic nations, with some meddling interference from two old, run-down (& on the way out) ones.

>>49979115
>>49979260
Pls don't bite the bait. It's more than 70 years old and you'll get sick

>>49979329

Spoiled rotten, huh?
Welp, I'm off to recreate it (30 years sooner than historically) in 'Rule the Waves'.
(assuming I don't fall asleep duking it out in a pre-dreadnought fight with Russians)

>>49971666
FiveCore's good for that. Two Hour Wargames games, too. Lots of games if you don't mind downscaling or using more abstracted units, but that's always a thing.

Skirmish games work well for smaller boards if you really bump up the terrain complexity. Larger stuff... well, 3mm is good and cool.

If you can go to a 3x2 then you've got a 6x4 board by halving all measurements, which means you can play basically anything.

I don't know if this is the place to post this, but are there any alt-history wargames out there?

>>49974368
>The Germans absolutely *would* have destroyed their country.

Bullshit.

They country wasn't destroyed in 1871 and wasn't destroyed in 1940 either. (Battle damage aside). There was no "Lets destroy the Eifel tower and the Louvre to show the french who is boss"-agenda at any point in the german minds.

That being said, refusing to fight is a crime for any soldier, no matter in what danger the country actually is and therefore its punished. Severely, because its a severe crime.
The worst thing about people like that is not that they betray their country which might be in need, but they betray their very next comrades which undermines the morale of the whole unit as well as putting these men into direct danger.

>You are on guard duty Louis
>Louis runs away/refuses to raise an alarm
>No guard for x hours, unit gets wiped out in their sleep

I get that not everyone is feeling patriotic towards a country or doesn't has great feelings about a Kaiser or rich politicians but acting like this is just selfish and simply a dick-move. Guys like that are just assholes in my eyes.

>>49979049
Shut your mouth. That is just propaganda and America is the good guys by definition.

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>>49980336
Well you can't get to alt-history without going through the history first, so this is a good start anon (but try /awg/ as well). Yes, there are literally dozens of alt-history wargames covering almost all periods. Weird WW2 and Cold War Gone Hot seem to be especially popular. I really like "A Very British Civil War" which is about a war in Britain 1938 after Edward VIII refuses to abdicate. The guys at Strategy & Tactics magazine got into that sort of thing and a number of their games (available in our OP) deal with things like Operation Olympic, the CSA winning the Civil War, or a Sino-Soviet battle. Was there anything specific you were looking for?

>>49980494
I was wondering if there were any really radical settings out there, like Napoleon actually maintaining his empire or Rome never existing as a unifying force, that sort of thing.

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>>49980538
I getcha. There are a few oddball things that come to mind like SPI's Dixie, which is a second ACW occuring in the 1930s after the south won the first; or their classic Nato, Nukes and Nazis which is set fifty years after Germany wins WW2. My knowledge of this subject is pretty weak sorry, hence the focus on old-school hex and chit because at least I know those! Again you might like to ask the nice anons at /awg/.

Miniatures-wise if you wanted to do something like Napoleon or Rome triumphing in the long term, then all you'd really need to do is find an appropriate period ruleset, customize some figures, and fluff it to your taste.

/hwg/ anons who play Impetus: what are your preferred armies?

>>49973894
http://www.barnsleywargames.co.uk/

>Hello! Welcome to the online home of Barnsley Association of Wargamers.

>We are a Tabletop Games Club based in Barnsley, South Yorkshire.

>Unlike many clubs, we don't organise shows - we play games for fun.

>We are non profit making and self funding via membership subscriptions.

>We hope you enjoy our website.

>In fact why not get in touch and come and join us for a game?

There's literally a club in your town.

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>>49980851
anything with phalangites

>>49975647
Cadorna is a god damn ass, good god I hate him and everything I see or read of the guy makes me hate him even more.

>>49980426
If you are a objector from the moment you are drafted I don´t see the problem with it. Still gets you strung up though.

>>49981453
Too add to this, this comes from the mouth of a pacifist nationalist so there's that. I don't like fighting, I only like reading/watching/telling about it. I really like my little men doing fights though.

If I were drafted I'd want a position as a truck-driver or something.

>>49974368
>The Germans absolutely *would* have destroyed their country.
That was never even remotely planned.
The whole german war effort was about kicking the french out of the war to focus on russia, to keep them off Austria's back while they would settle things with the serbs.

You're spouting french propaganda of that time, which intended to keep the war going.

>>49981471
>If I were drafted I'd want a position as a truck-driver or something.

As much as i understand your personal desire there, an army only needs that many truck drivers. You can have 1000 drivers and only 1 fighter.

If you don't know it already, read Guy Sajers "The forgotten soldier". He was a truck driver/convoy guard at the beginning of Operation Barbarrossa before he joined the Grossdeutschland Division. Truck driving isn't fun.

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Carnage - Aerosani baptism of fire. Under the command of a player who had never played before. He was able to capture all 3 objectives, driving back heavy German resistance to win the game. Good balanced Soviet list with T-34s, BT-7s, BA-10s, howitzer battery and an 85mm AA gun in the AT role, as well as plenty of infantry and all 4 of the new Aerosans. Infantry won the game for him in the end, but only because he was very careful with them and supported them well. A tense game that swung backwards and forwards until about turn 6 where it started to go very badly for the Germans.

I always like it when a brand new player can beat the designer in their first game - shows good balance and ease of play. I didn't go easy on him either!

>>49981908
What do you use under the playing sheet to make those hills?

>>49981908
Did the aerosans survive?

>>49975647
...Inept?

>>49981927
The Aerosans did not survive. They're extremely light and dont take well to being shot with 50mm cannons from Pz.IIIs. They provided good cover for some infantry for a while there though.

>>49981919
blankets + pillows. Makes for some great hull down positions and some more natural terrain features. Only really works for light plastic vehicles and infantry on stands. Wouldn't work for metal minis or anything unstable.

Also found a good film on the Chinese theater in WW2:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NiwoaYs09As
Its pretty much all combat too, none of this "drama story with WW2 tacked on" bullshit. 1 1/2 hrs of Chinese and Japanese forces clashing

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>>49981949
It would be farcical if it wasn't so terrifying.

>>49981992
God dammit that Battlefield 1 mission is dumb

Hello lads, what did anon recommend for priming soft plastic 20mm models?

>>49982101
Tamiya ultra fine primer spray is pretty decent

>>49981908
your minis are ugly

>>49981908
You make quite convincing battlefields

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>>49981866
And it was hardly a safe job. He had a number of friends and people around him killed by partisans and aircraft

I'd recommend that book for anyone who plays east front ww2

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>>49981908
What did you use for the snow on your bases?

I'm working on a similar project and think thats quite a good effect.

>>49982101
I use cheapo acrylic spray from a local paint shop. 3GBP per can or so and I can prime 1-2 armies with that.

>>49973057

Well, Italian officers in WW1 were subpar.

When I was a young 'un, my father and I randomly happened on a old fascist-era building that was dedicated to Cadorna. My father was a simple man, and I asked him innocently: "Who was Cadorna?"

"A butcher, son. Nothing but a butcher."

And for once, popular opinion was goddamn right.

>>49981968
Its not a proper war movie without a love story :^)

>>49983264
Reee, Hollywood get out.

Loved the love scene in the German Stalingrad tho :^)

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>>49981968
Already my favorite character in that movie. At this scene i thought i was tricked and there is some Hollywood-style BS lovestory, but its fine.

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>Tfw will do my military service in a place that trains Leopard crews
My dreams and tanker power fantasies might actually come true
[/nospoilersontg]I needed an excuse to bump

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Finished my recon element for the monthly project.
Nothing spectacular or fancy, just basecoat, wash and a little mud and drybrushing. I think russian vehicles look fine just like this.

I'll try to get a proper daylight picture tomorrow morning for the final gallery.

>>49981866
An army needs way more people not actively doing fights than it does people doing fights.

If your military leadership insists on putting conscientious objectors into combat, the leadership is at fault - sure, you've drafted them, but there is no fucking shortage of jobs until your headquarters is literally being overrun, at which point they are still just as useful or more so as a runner, medic's assistant, or ammo-hauler.

>>49985014
Indeed. I seem to recall "a lot of" conscientious objectors being (frontline) medics during WW2, and earning medals for it.

>>49985077
Yeah, and actually qualifying as a conscientious objector in the first place is hard as hell.

>>49967616
So Bolt Action has been getting popular at my place so I was wondering what would be a good small army on a budget? I got the box of US army rangers and two halftracks and wanted to know what else I should get to fill out the ranks on a 50 dollar budget. I was thinking of a M24 chaffe and a MG team but I wanted to get an opinion from someone who's played the game before.

>>49985100
a tank would be good, get whatever american tank or tank destroyer you like. I would recommend a a mortar or howitzer over an MG team (they have never impressed me).

>>49985100
also kitbash an air observer, since they are good and will help you fill out your list

>>49985100
So you got 25 men and 2 halftracks?

The Chaffee is (was) powerful, but Recce was nerfed bad. I would avoid it at first.

MG teams are kinda weak. Get yourself a heavy mortar and a spotter (can be built from your Ranger set) instead.

I'd recommend to buy the following (i assume Warlords webstore prices, so if you can get the stuff cheaper than its even better):

Medium howitzer or M4 Sherman: 16/20 gbp
Medium mortar: 7 gbp
Airborne plastics: 26 gbp

The reason for the Airborne:
>more infantry squads and your 25 are nowhere near enough (infantry is still king in BA)
>they come with machine guns, so you can use their sprues to build MMG teams
>they are new and their sprues are 1000% superior to the old US infantry sprues

Use your infantry sprues to build HQ, Medics, Observers, Bazooka and Sniper teams.


Reason for the howitzer:
>its good, simple as that. It deals damage if it hits.

If you prefer a tank instead, get the M4. Its a solid allrounder. If you, for whatever reason, prefer a different tank then get that. Its not a big deal, but keep in mind that the days of the Chaffee as "cheesy" vehicle are over. (Besides, Chaffee is resin) M10 Wolverine has a nice plastic kit too, and its the same price as the M4.

Reason for the Mortar:
I never go without one. You can use it as proxy for a heavy mortar if you want.


If you want a plastic vehicle, check ebay or model stores if they sell the Italeri boxed 1/56 kits. These are identical with the warlord kits (For example the M4, the M8 armored car and the Wolverine are sold by Italeri too) and here, they cost only 12-15€ compared to the 20 for the warlord boxed kit.

>>49985189
>>49985278
So the picture I'm getting is get some field artillery and that light tanks aren't that great. Bolt Action is still new to my area so everyone's armies are still pretty small, making getting a second box of infantry a bit overkill for now, and as I said I'm on a budget.

I'm thinking I'll make the ranger box into a hq, two squads of ten guys, a bazooka team, a sniper and an artillery observer. Add to that a mortar and a tank and that should put me on par with most the other people around me. I'll probably get the paratroopers whenever everyone else starts to expand their armies. This a decent plan or retarded?

>>49985638
its a decent plan. light tanks arent bad, they just got nerfed in 2.0

>>49985638
> artillery observer.
take an air observer. The Americans get a special rule that lets their observers call in 2 airstrikes per game instead of just one.

>>49985638
HQ (1)
Bazooka (2)
Sniper (2)

Squad 1 (10)
Squad 2 (10)

You have no men left for an observer sadly.
But if everyone else has no other units your plan isn't that bad.

>>49981992
How did Cadorna get away with being so incompetent/ineffective? Was he the king's cousin or something?

>>49986004
Still kills me that somehow the light cruiser named after him managed to survive the war.

>>49984411
Lucky bastard
yes there are

>>49985100
>So Bolt Action has been getting popular at my place so I was wondering what would be a good small army on a budget?

nothing. play a better game, rise above the sea of chaff and mediocrity your location is being swamped in.

>>49986759
no fun allowed huh?

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>>49986759

How about we don't respond to the obvious shitposter?

The beauty of historical wargaming is that what ever figures you get they can be used for multiple rulesets. So the lad gets into BA but doesn't like it. Him and his mates can play DH/C7B or Battlegroup . It's not like he's tied to a particular system.

>>49986811
>>49986829
>replying to the guy who shitposts about BA every thread

I'm starting to think we deserve it, we never learn.

Has anyone picked up Congo yet? It looks like it might be a fun time period.

>>49980851
SCYTHIANS

When did the concept of heavy tank become truly obsolete?

>>49987749

About 15 seconds after the first airplane dropped a bomb.

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>>49979049
>Racist
>Imperialist

Haha the Nips were a bunch of colour-blind, concensus-building, pacifist egalitarians

Don't get me wrong, I don't believe in imposing contemporary values upon judgment of any historical actor (including Grorious Nippon), but this kind of autistic weebdom is just embarrassing

>>49987749
1943 when the Panther was introduced.

>>49987749
When man portable AT became a thing. Because then speed was important.

>>49987749
it's not obsolete if you believe it enough!

>>49987749
after ww2, when tank engines become strong enough to move a 50+ ton tank at good speed.

Has any of you guy experience with painting planes?

I applied the base colors and, if it were a tank, i would now apply a wash. But i figured a brown wash would look odd on a plane.

So how do i proceed from here? I don't need it to be super expertly painted.. just a bit better than basecolors only.

>>49988175
Pin washes on panel lines, try some localised weathering based on actual pics of aircraft.

What's cracking lads?

I'm looking at getting some Greek archers. Either Foundry, Warlord or them Victrix plasticky ones. any thoughts?

>>49989540
Victrix looks best imo

>>49989540
>What's cracking lads?
Forcing myself not to buy more stuff until I paint my backlog.

Might make a spreadsheet I can tick off as I finish what I have already.

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>>49989540
Painting my way through a few hundred 1/72 WW2 Jerry and Russkie infantryman for Ostfront.

Got another hundred vietnam era soldiers to paint after that.

>>49990243
>painting

Putting bottles of paint in your mouth anc spitting them at your minis is barely counted as painting faggot

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>>49990349
>Assuming everyone is the ostfront boogeyman
Don't be a cunt all your life

>>49983496
That film was alright. I certainly dont think it was realistic, but it was fun.

I didn't see a single Japanese grenade discharger, so I question the films integrity. Seems pretty much like an action film with the Chinese as heroes. I did enjoy it, but could be more realistic.

>>49987749
They are still kind of useful, provided you protect yourself from hellfire missiles from the air. They'll still good in a "blow the fuck out of the enemies buildings, then support the infantry as they take them" role.

>>49990243
>>49990481
>Painting my way through a few hundred 1/72 WW2 Jerry and Russkie infantryman for Ostfront.
Nice! looking damn fine. I'll have to whip up a Nam version of Ostfront at some stage. I already have most of a WW1 version done - Westfront

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>>49989540
Army painting at a dead stop due to illness for the past week. New book to read though.

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I don't have any histoicals to work on at the moment and no money.

also not getting any bolt action v2 games.

My area sucks for wargames that aren't 40 bloody K

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I'm out of town for a bit. Built a trebuchet this afternoon instead.

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>>49990812
Good choice.

>>49990746
>also not getting any bolt action v2 games.
>My area sucks for wargames that aren't 40 bloody K

Good thing that those are the same game then, amirite?

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>>49990650
>I'll have to whip up a Nam version of Ostfront at some stage. I already have most of a WW1 version done - Westfront

Oh shit, both of these sound pretty interesting.

How much are you thinking about altering the core rules or are you going to keep the rules unchanged and change units/armies?

>>49987765
So.... like 5 years before they were even invented?

First bomb from airplane: 1912
First Tank used: 1917

>>49990994

Should tell you something about heavy tanks then, shouldn't it?

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>>49990746
I know that feel

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>>49990978
Here's what I have so far, essentially the core stays the same, a few alterations for deep trenches and barbed wire, and yeah the stats for each faction.

Essentially I just want to release a quick add-on so people can fight the periods with only some minor changes, probably just release them as pay-what-you-want / free

PDF related is still a WIP, I need to add in field guns and I might handle air support in a different way - more artillery observers or something. and of course the new cavalry rules will be slotted in.

It would also be nice to separate the war into 3 periods, as technology moved so quickly that early war battles are very different to late war, but I'll think about that later after I have all the units statted out.

Nam will be a whole other kettle of fish, once again try to keep the core rules the same but capture the specifics of the theater / period and write up the army lists. I've already done some research into Vietnam so I know what I'll be dealing with, but it will take some playtesting and hidden deployment fuckery / guerrilla warfare shit from the VC, which is always difficult to balance and takes time to playtest.

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>>49986004
Good question actually; he was really critical of the Government and certainly didn't have any friends there. I think there was just a kind of inertia in the leadership, like what kept the more incompetent generals of other countries in their position. Blundering slaughter was just taken for granted. He was eventually sacked after Caporetto, at least. Mussolini later made him a Field Marshal, I can think of a more ringing endorsement of incompetence than that.

>>49991565
>I can think of a more
*I can think of NO more

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>>49991161
>PDF related is still a WIP, I need to add in field guns and I might handle air support in a different way - more artillery observers or something. and of course the new cavalry rules will be slotted in.
Looking over these rules, my only real criticism is the lack of a seperate MMG unit.
Considering the major role entrenched machine guns played in the first world war, it seems odd to roll them up into more mobile regular infantry groups.
Having MMG emplacements that behave like stationary guns would go a long way to adding to that world war one feel.

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Beautiful paint job on a Mk. V tank, showing his weathering methods too:

http://www.themodellingnews.com/2016/02/part-iii-of-claytons-finishes-his-build.html

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>>49991676
Good point, I think that would be the way to go. Infantry can just have rifles/grenades. A separate MG unit that acts like a stationary gun would work very well, and thats mostly how they were deployed.

Hey, can someone link me to a source for information and perhaps some photographs/artwork of the Mexican military circa 1989? I've been searching for a little while, and the information I've been pulling up is less than stellar.

>>49981968
More Chinese doing fights:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ggpoFDnywWc

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>>49991852
That's awfully specific. Watchu workin' on?

>>49992876
Twilight 2000 game set in Mexican-occupied Texas.

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>>49992854
Nice, I'll watch this tonight.

I just bit the bullet on some WW1 minis. The poilus even even have bicycle troops!
Yes there is a small scale discrepancy, shouldn't be an issue though

>>49993003
can you buy me some

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>>49993003
Grab some of the Emhar kits if you can find them, they're nice figures. Also the HaT FT17 kit

>>49977217
Where does the number 285 come from anyways?

>>49993932
I have a 1/56 Renault FT-17 on the way right now. I love that little bastard.

>>49986872
BA is a gateway to CoC and Big CoC, anyway.

>>49987773
The Panther was a heavy tank though.

By weight.

It had the armour mass of a heavy, but the armour effectiveness of a medium! It had the engine of a weak medium! The gun of a medium! The cost of a heavy! The tendency to break down of all German big cats! The tendency to spontaneously ignite because they fucked up the design and oil collected under the engine was unique to it, though.

They really should just have cloned the T-34 since they were so scared of it.

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>>49991852
>>49992920

Well I was actually going to suggest you check out the T2K books on the subject but I guess you already have! This is the sort of more obscure subject where you have to do some thorough googling and/or hit the library. I can offer you this entry from my dead tree copy of Salamander's 1991 "Armies of the World", if it's any help.

>>49993003
>The poilus even even have bicycle troops!

I have that box too. It has some great pieces alright: the cyclist, a standard bearer, a messenger pigeon guy, an artillery spotter, and a couple of casualties.

My favorite WW1 1:72 plastics are Hat's early war lines, they're some beautiful little sculpts.

>>49995203
Sadly, T2k rarely focuses on the Mexican-American front. It has great sourcebooks for Western and Eastern Europe, as well as the Middle East, but it leaves the Sino-Soviet front and the Mexican-American front without any fluff.

Anyways, I suppose I'll continue my rigorous googling, and check out the Armies of the World book, it seems interesting.

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>>49995240

I thought Red Star Lone Star might have had some interesting stuff, but flipping through it now it does seem a little sparse.

>Finally got my V2 Bolt Action book
>Pretty much every change is a welcome and much needed change.

Holy shit, it's almost like rules are meant to improve over time or something.

now if only there was a group within a 100 miles of me

>>49981992
>tfw Battlefield 1 unironically has you play as a guy armored up like this and steamrolling a gorillion Germans

Gahahahaha, literally a parody of Cadorna's madness and stupidity and Dice played it TOTALLY straight.

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>>49995616

My PC is far too old to run that but I watched a couple of gameplay vids and have very mixed feelings about the thing. It looks and feels great but it's a cartoon in spirit. At least it may get some nerds interested in WW1 history, and covers more than just Flanders. I have to admit I think the pigeon scene and the ability to play Australian Light Horse are both very cool though.

>>49995662
Never say positive things about EA in my presence sonny jim

>also, no fucking French

>>49995665
>The Great War
>With no French
How in unholy name of Franz Ferdinand do you manage taht

>>49995696
Because EA and Dice are the cancer killing gaming.

>>49995662
Goddammit please just stop posting these each one is cringier than the last. How the hell did this guy not get shot by his own troops?

>>49995607
Except for templates, maybe.

>>49995711
Because this is more based on popular views of the guy; the real-life guy was almost certainly a douchebag but possibly not quite this much of a moron.

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>>49995704
I know a guy who just won't shut the fuck up about the game, saying it's the best WW1 experience and it's deep and emotional, all that shit.

From what I've seen, though...

Did women even participate in the Arab Revolt?

>>49995746
>it's the best WW1 experience
The guy probably just doesn't know too much about WW1.
Its like they took late war technology and expanded it to the point where everyone has SMGs and Tanks are everywhere. I guess it works for Dice's niche of constant face paced automatic fire combat and never taking cover, but it aint WW1.

>>49995746
>saying it's the best WW1 experience and it's deep and emotional, all that shit.

Deep and emotional...mm, kinda. I'm not a fan of EA either but what I've seen does strike some chords and does look competently made. Though gameplay-wise it's rather firmly a LATE WWI experience. If you want the TRADITIONAL Western Front experience, what you want is fucking Verdun. That's traditional trench warfare in an FPS done right.

>>49995779
>and never taking cover

Do people actually do that? Even in B1 cover is the difference between fine and fucked.

>>49995779
So, it's the second Weltkrieg? If they wanted SMGs, squad tactics, whatever, why didn't they just go with that?

Or did they just want to be original and use WW1, despite it not being WW1.

>>49995782
I'd actually like to see some Eastern Front action, myself. And that's totally not because my Great-Grandfather fought on it.

>>49995782
>Verdun

Mah negroid. Haven't played it much because I don't have any friends that play it, but it's a very fun game that rides the line between realism and action to keep it from getting boring.

I mean, Red Orchestra 2 is still my favorite war game, but Verdun is up there. Now if only someone could make a good first person tank combat game like Red Orchestra 2's system but include all the tanks War thunder has, then we'd be talking about a crazy awesome game.

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>>49995711

There's a fantastic scene where they try to get him fragged, and it's supposedly true. There's a certain lookout point that an Austrian Jäger has totally covered, and the Italian troops play a kind of game when they're bored, putting cans along the trenchline for the sniper to shoot off.

One day an officer decides to take the General up there, and persuades him to stick his head over the top for about ten seconds. But nothing happens. and the General walks off. The officer then puts a can up - and the Jäger quickly shoots it off, showing he was there the whole time, and spared the General knowing full well we was more valuable to the Austrians alive than dead.

Like >>49995745 says this is a staunchly anti-war movie, and while Cadorna was an inspiration, the character of 'General Leone' can be considered the Italian version of Blackadder's Melchett, a stereotype exaggerated for effect.

Great movie by I way, I strongly recommend it.

>>49995779

It includes a lot of experimental weapons too, stuff that was never actually used in action. Brewster armour never made it to the Front before the Armistice, for example.

While we're on the topic of video games;

>Tfw Operation Flashpoint is literally the only Cold War gone hot FPS
I just want to shoot T-72s and kill Bolsheviks

>>49995795
>I'd actually like to see some Eastern Front action, myself

At risk of overstretching the topic drift, there's unfortunately only one WWI Eastern Front game I know of, and that's the fairly mediocre Darkest of Days. It's also got an ACW section.

>>49990650
>Seems pretty much like an action film with the Chinese as heroes.

I didn't expect something else from a chinese ww2 movie. The first shootout already made clear that one chinese soldier in this movie is worth 10 japs.
Still, some nice scenes, a "fresh" scenario and surprisingly good production values.
No 10/10 material, but certainly entertaining.

>>49987765
So you are saying that most Tigers, Tiger 2s and IS-1/IS-2/IS-3 tanks were killed by aircraft dropped bombs?

>>49995745
>but possibly not quite this much of a moron.
12 fruitless battles of the Isonzo river later...
Maybe he just really wanted to cross that river? Half of all Italians killed in the war died trying to cross that river - 300,000 - 600,000 men.

>>49995834
I loved the concept of that game, it was just a shame it had a terrible engine and a few questionable gameplay decisions.

>>49994919
Germans rated it as Medium.

>It had the engine of a weak medium!
>700PS
>Powerful enough to drive 46km/h

>The gun of a medium!
More powerful than the Tigers gun though, caliber is not everything

>The cost of a heavy!
And now you are just talking bullshit out of your ass

One of the biggest positive aspects of the Panther was that its price was equal with the price of the Panzer IV while being vastly superior to the IV in every aspect: Gun, Armor and Speed.

The Ausf. G was pretty reliable too.

>>49995795
>Or did they just want to be original and use WW1, despite it not being WW1.

Exactly.

>>49995779
>Its like they took late war technology and expanded it to the point where everyone has SMGs and Tanks are everywhere.

Don't forget the prototype Assault rifles.


If dices WW1 would be real, then Armies in 39 wouldn't have touched a Bolt Action rifle at all.

>>49995864
Eh, I did say *possibly*.

>>49995896
>Don't forget the prototype Assault rifles.

Technically such things existed, but yeah.

Oh also, the fucking Kolibri. The damn funniest thing in B1.

>>49995882
>Germans rated it as Medium
To be fair it weighed the same as an is2. You could certainly make a case for it being a heavy.

Did it really cost the same as a IV?

>>49995826
>The officer then puts a can up - and the Jäger quickly shoots it off, showing he was there the whole time, and spared the General knowing full well we was more valuable to the Austrians alive than dead.

Those damn crafty Austrians

>>49995926
Gee whiz, Austria-Hungary, how come they let you have TWO monarchies?

>>49995912
>To be fair it weighed the same as an is2.

True, but they didn't use it in the role of an heavy while the russians used the IS as heavy tanks.

From the english wiki:
>The Panther was far cheaper to produce than the Tiger I, and only slightly more expensive than the Panzer IV.

>>49995912
>One source has cited the cost of a Panther tank as 117,100 Reichmarks (RM). This compared with 82,500 RM for the StuG III, 96,163 RM for the Panzer III, 103,462 RM for the Panzer IV, and 250,800 RM for the Tiger I. These figures did not include the cost of the armament and radio.

>By comparison for example, another source cited the total cost of the early production Tiger I in 1942–1943 to be as high as 800,000 RM.

It wasn't the cheapest option on the table, but certainly not within the "heavy tank"-pricerange

>>49991704
>Dat checker pattern
Damn that's nice.

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>>49995818
>first person tank combat game

I was gonna point you towards Steel Beasts but then you mentioned wanting variety.

>>49997695
Mainly just because I love how many different tanks there are in War Thunder and WWII in general. I'll check out steel beasts though. Maybe it'll help get my treadhead fix.

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>>49995829
There's a mod for Arma 2 called Cold War Re-Armed that ports OFP to a more modern engine

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>>49997735
There's a civilian version that's much cheaper than the semi-pro edition. I think there's even a pirated version of it out there

>>49995715

I have mixed feelings about templates.

I never liked the old random hits method and I do prefer being able to more accurately estimate how much damage is going to be done to a unit but templates open the door for people to game the system in ways they couldn't previously.

Another thing that bugs me is the template has 1-6 numbers with arrows which make it look like there's some kind of scatter mechanic but there isn't as far as I can tell.

>>49997954
There's no scatter mechanic according to an interview with cavatore. Its mostly a way to stop people bunching their infantry together.

>>49997954
>there's some kind of scatter mechanic but there isn't as far as I can tell.
Isn't there scatter for the mortar smoke grenades?

>>49998688

Nope. If you miss (which is the most likely result) your opponent just gets to place the template instead, anywhere within 12".

>>49995882
Units started refusing to use it and sending it back to the factory, at least early on, but that was because germans were shit at actually building tanks, not because of the design.

Which was bad.

I mean, you'd think they'd be desperate for something new, considering how they were getting overrun by superior soviet and american engineering, but the first few bunches of panthers were really, really shit.

>>49998985
>Units started refusing to use it and sending it back to the factory, at least early on

Source for this?

>but the first few bunches of panthers were really, really shit.

And then they were improved and became one of the best tanks of the war

>>49994919
The front upper glacis and front turret and turret mantle were effectively thicker than the Tiger I's same parts due to slope.

The Panther had thicker front armor than the Tiger I, people seem to overlook this all the time.

>>49999092
>front upper glacis
It's amazing how people cite this and ignore the rest of the front armour. There's a reason gunners could penetrate tigers & panthers from the front without going through it, you know - it's not the whole frontal armour.

And then you get the later, shittier armour that spalled badly enough and occasionally fell off even if you didn't pen it.

and yeah, wikipedia, but I got home from work and need a drink:

>Panthers were supplied to form Panzer Abteilung 51 (Tank Battalion 51) on 9 January, and then Panzer Abteilung 52 on 6 February 1943.[73]

>The first production Panther tanks were plagued with mechanical problems. The engine was dangerously prone to overheating and suffered from connecting rod or bearing failures. Petrol leaks from the fuel pump or carburettor, as well as motor oil leaks from gaskets, produced fires in the engine compartment; which resulted in the total writeoff of three Panthers due to fires.[74][75] Transmission and final drive breakdowns were the most common and difficult to repair. A large list of other problems were detected in these early Panthers, and so from April through May 1943 all Panthers were shipped to Falkensee and Nürnberg for a major rebuilding program. This did not correct all of the problems, so a second program was started at Grafenwoehr and Erlangen in June 1943. Reliability improved with the Ausf. A and later G of the Panther, with availability rates going from an average of 37% by end of 1943[76] to an average of 54% in 1944.[77]

.

>It was not until 23–29 June 1943 that a total of 200 rebuilt Panthers were finally issued to Panther Regiment von Lauchert, of the XLVIII Panzer Corps (4 Panzer Army). Two were immediately lost due to motor fires on disembarking from the trains.[79]

So i have a single plastic british rifleman box from ages ago that i got for Operation squad. Recently a few locals have gotten into Bolt Action and i was wondering what else should/could i get to the riflemen box or where should i start in general for bolt action?

>>49999705
You need more infantry.
BUT, the british infantry box Warlord sells is extremely old, and british paratroopers are the next plastic box to be released. (I expect them to try to go for the christmas business with it, but i might be wrong). So i would wait with buying more infantry boxes for britain until that box is released. It will be vastly superior in detail and options to that old box.

If you want and if you like the models, add a box of metal Gurkhas or Chindits and a tank. A Cromwell or a Sherman is always a good choice. In the game, these Medium tanks are more or less the same in stats (just like the Pz4/T-34 85) so its up to you which one you like better.

Add a mortar and maybe a field gun to that and you have a playable army with some options.

>>49999705
Just pick up warlords 100pts starter box for brits it's pretty good i'm still using most of it apart from the 6pdr

>>49999014

>And then they were improved and became one of the best tanks of the war

Sure if you ignore maintenance, the final drive even late in the war was only rated to 130km.

>>49999971
The "build an army" deal offers a better value/money ratio, but its save to say that all their army deals aren't bad.

>>50000361
Yeah, as always, Anon knows it better than most historians.

>>49995936

HABSBURG LIP

>>49999907
>and british paratroopers are the next plastic box to be released
Source? I highly doubt it won't be another German box, like Gebirsjäger in Lederhosen.

>>50001753
I think this was revealed at Salute but it was posted on FB numerous times. I think Alesso said it at some point too.

Next plastics are:
US airborne (already here)
British paras
Italians

So as i said, i would assume they go for the christmas sales because i expect their main audience (i.e. the brits) being into british paras alot.

Found this for you:
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/661118.page

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I want to start a 28mm Scottish force, leaning more toward late middle ages. Would the Perry plastic ranges be ok for this? Also does anyone know of any resources that would help? I checked the OP but couldn't find any.

>>50002127
Yeah, they could work. Captain Blood did some pretty neato Scots you might want to check out on Lead Adventure Forum.

>>49999365
The TURRET front was especially garbage tier, iirc. Early models even had a shell trap between the mantlet bottom and turret ring joint that was especially inviting to be hit.

Just played the quickstart version of Ostfront. The rules were pretty confusing at times. For example there was mention of tank class, but it didn't seem to be referenced anywhere. Felt a bit like parts were left out. Is the full ruleset clearer?

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>>49976826
Scotia arrived if you're interested in those guys as a potential supplier.
GHQ T-90 and BMPT-Ts on the left, scotia T-80, T-55, BTRs and a truck on the right
Detail obviously isnt quote as fine, *slightly* smaller due to being 1/300 instead of 1/285, but with some highlighting to accentuate the shallower details (and GSing that sinkhole in the truck) and for 50p each I think they'll do a good job for horde units and boring shit like trucks and APCs

>>50002127
I'm no expect on the Scots, but I believe they tended to be a bit backwards (not sure about mercenaries in French & Burgundian service though) , so you'll have more luck focusing on the Hundred Years War sets than the Wars of the Roses sets.

>>50002914
You can never have too many trucks, and cheap ones are always a plus. Trucks, wagons, carts, all that stuff is useful, and a lot of it can do double- or triple-duty in different forces or even periods. You don't even have to squint to make it fit, sometimes.

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>>50002914
I think I'd rate the 6mm guys for post-WW2 in this order:
GHQ: King. Easily. Most expensive, awkward pack sizes, easily bent barrels, but incredibly good detail and casting, huge ranges with tons of shit you never even knew you wanted.

CinC: GHQ but with the oversized details filed off. Still very detailed, but fewer knobbly bits, matched GHQ in scale and casting quality. Smaller ranges than most but they have a good bunch of things anyway.

Heroics&Ros: New stuff is basically CinC quality, but much of their range is still 25+ years old and it shows. New stuff has been rotating in quite nicely, but they make up for overall lower quality (including casting for the older models) with more durable thick gun barrels and really hard to beat pricing. Plus you can order by the individual model, not pack.

Scotia-Grendel: I think their planes are better than H&R but everything else is pretty much equivalent to the 25-30+ year old H&R ranges in all ways. Casting errors, weak detailing, cheap though and with some nice oddities of equipment.

>>50003618
>Scotia casting errors and weak detailing
Im gonna have to agree when it comes to some of their stuff, some of the ww2 models in particular (dat ferdinand..) look ridiculously ropey and the detail would barely suffice at 3mm.
I basically just bought ones that looked decent in the sparse photos they put up, and for their purpose as secondary/support vehicles im pretty happy with them
The Mig29 I got from them is alright too, especially for 10% of the price of a GHQ one

>>49998688
Yeah, but not upon firing- it's only for drifting smoke.

>>49998922
The 'enemy choses scatter' rules have always struck me as stupid things which makes FOs way too much of a liability for the points. Random scatter would be a lot better I feel.

>>50004469
Oh no wait, I'm being stupid.

Just got my 2nd ed rulebook yesterday and have only skimmed it, but arty FOs have been changed so that rolls of 1 scatter 3d6" in a random direction.


Also, I've been checking out the Australian list the WWPD guys made which got made official. What do people reckon the chances of the Hungarian pdf by the same guys getting made official are? I picked up Hungarians for the cool tanks and have gotten more interested, and the official Hungarian list's quite bad options wise. Even the standard squad size is two men too large.

>tfw making an inventory of your lead pile so you know what to paint next and it is much worse than you ever thought
I need to stop buying things

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>>50004565
>trying to make an inventory

I wouldn't even know where to start. Sometimes it's just better to leave it all well alone.

>>50002518
Top of page 5 - Tank Types

Did you watch the example game video? I'll try to film a full game at some stage so people can get a good feel for how it plays, and all the various functions like air support / defense

>>50004712
>The BMP reigned in the spider as an annoying Cobra darted around. The space marines were dead weight, and the cart seemed to be off balance.
>The BMP wiped the sweat from his brow. Who was that armed guard following along anyway? what did he want? were we walking into an ambush?
>The BMP tried to stay alert- he was tired, but determined to get these marines to the city for scrap plas-metal. He kicked his tracks into the giant spider and it scuttled forwards, Rotating his turret, the BMP eyed the ever-thickening foliage along the sides of the road.... He thought he saw a silhouette amongst the trees... was that a shako?

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>>50002914
Those look quite good.

>>50003618
Is the CnC stuff noticeably softer metal? They're website specifically says something like "soft metal castings" or similar.

>>50004712
>>50004565
Having a list would be useful if you ever needed to make an insurance claim neighbor's house burned down yesterday

>>50005753
No lie, I'd buy the book.

>>49995818
Verdun is amazing. I've played way too much of it.

>>50006034
To be honest, the team size and lack of dedicated attack/defend gamemodes is a bit of a downer.

Also no VOIP.

>>50005798
Metal seems just as hard as any other miniatures I've used.

>>50002518
Also you shouldn't need to worry about tank class in the quick fire rules, thats used for determining damage from howitzers, air strikes, rocket barrages etc, which aren't covered in the quick fire rules.

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>>50003618
There's a fan project to collecting photos of the whole range though unfortunately most of them are shit photographers

http://mojobob.com/wargaming/images/micros/fitzheroicsandros/fitzheroicsandros.html
Site isn't super intuitive either; click the flag to move different categories.

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>>50008567
Whole range of H&R I should have said

>>50008628
dat camera focus

>>49974368
>>49979049
>being this historically ignorant
>believing in muh noble struggle to the death, and not that most Europeans would collaborate 'cause that's how humanity rolls
>implicitly defending Showa Japan's fuckery in China and Korea
>not acknowledging that Japan at this time was every bit as racist and imperialist as many Euro/North American nations
>Murka was an aggressor in every war it was a part of, rather than just MANY of them
>believing atrocities against your own people are justified

Holy shit, this is definitely bait, but even still, bait often has some real belief behind it. You can't even troll in an entertaining manner.

Shitposter please go and stay go.

>>49999014
>Source for this?

Check the Ospreys concerning Panthers. The first units receiving them weren't thrilled at all.

>>50006034
Does it have bots? As much as I enjoy Red Orchestra 2 I mostly play on bot campaign servers with a few players on each side.

>>50009610
Playing with bots is awful in red orchestra and tricks you into thinking you are good.

Playing online is the only way.

>>50009628
I've tried it many times but all my experience was:
>respawn
>crawl 2 meters
>get headshot from the other side of the map with a pistol

>>50009639
blatant lie

Stop getting mad when you die

>Watching battlegroup designer talk through a game
>orders, spotting, area fire all seems cool
>infantry guy goes to fire a bazooka at a StuG
>designer immediately has to check rules, various different pages
>roll to hit, roll to penetrate
>have to cross reference the AP shell against the Vehicles armor in some matrix, after checking each one
>15 different armor classes
>only possible outcome of a penetrating hit is vehicle destroyed - no possibilities of blowing tracks off or knocking out the engine or the gun, just destroyed

This rule set had potential but I dont think I'll be recommending it in future. Shouldn't take 5 minutes to work out if a bazooka blows up a StuG. I can imagine game play grinding to a halt every time armor is involved - which is quite often in WW2 games. It also seemed far too easy to run out in front of an entire German armored collumn and blow up a StuG without being machine-gunned first.
15 different armor classes seems a bit much too.

Here's the video if anyone wants to have a look:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DF2ry7BfKgU

>>50011111
I quite like the random morale loss with the chips, but the black and white destruction of vehicles does seem a bit dull for that kind of game, battalion level games sure, but not games of that scale.

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What's cracking lads? Anyone doing anything fun?

Give me cool ideas for Greek warbands or stories I'm bored as fuck.

>>50011844
Too boring at the club?

>>50012050
I'm on the bar and everyone's watching the games.

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TFw no longer have a gaming club to go to

>>50012073
>everyone's watching the games.
Oh how plebbish.

Not much happening here either, I should finish some Italeri winter Russians for a friend's army.

>>50011844
Just based some minis, and can't do anything til the PVA sets.
Watching glue dry even more boring than watching paint dry

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>>50011844
Looking for more books to read.

>>50012236
Might do the same, stuff certainly needs doing.

>>50011111
Sounds like he wasn't familiar with the rules?

Adding a house rule damage table would be an easy fix for that part at least.

I haven't played the rules myself; I'm still gonna give them a try, they seem appealing overall though maybe they don't work as well in practice.

Do we have a copy of Charles Grant's The War Game, or Charge! by Brigadier Young? They're old, but apparently interesting.

>>50011844
Have a Theban band full of homos. It'd be historically accurate as well.

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My Skytrex order has arrived, I think I may be in over my head.

First foray into Naval Wargaming, I'm going to paint three of the Fletchers up for the monthly recon asset, not 100% accurate but ASW meant they were patrolling, so it loosely fits.

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I stuck stuff to bases. Go Me.

>>50014095
I like that skytrex put in a little datacard with the ships. Utterly useless once you take the ships out but nice anyway.

>>50014095
Boats boats boats tiny boats boats boats

makes me burst into song!


>>50014276
navwar does this aswell

>>50014276
What makes it most frustrating is I ordered a Taiho class carrier and they sent the proper datacard but it included a heavy cruiser instead.

>>50014334
Their shipping's a bitch for large orders, but I'm going to order from them soon given I need two Suzuya's (I ordered them as Mogamis without knowing the class terribly well and they gave me 2 Mogamis converted to floatplane carriers) and 4 US Destroyer Escorts to round off Taffy 3.

Are the minis nice? I'm pleased with the Davco ones, they need some cleaning but seem nice.

>>50014334
Oh also any tips on basing? Was planning to use plasticard but wasn't sure.

>>50014500
It appears I got sent Commencement-Bay class carriers instead of Casablancas, that's a bit frustrating, thought they're so similar I'm not even sure it's worth making a fuss over.

>>50014955
>I'm not even sure it's worth making a fuss over.
I would. Generally companies will send you the correct item and let you keep the wrong one.

You never know when the spare Commencement-Bay might come in useful.

>>50015060
6 Commencement bays actually, so I guess I could always use 16 American Carriers... for something...

But yeah I sent them an email in the end, I did have the Japanese ones to replace too.

Lav-75

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>>50016921
What about it

What is the point of noting long spears on Light Infantry in Impetus?

Alright lads I'm back from the bar. I'm pretty done.

Other than the homo lad anyone got any cool ideas?

My jam at the moment seems to be doing a Artemis inspired archery warband. Also me and a mate are gooa do some more tests of Aristeia soo for anyone interested. hoplefully they'll be so write ups.

>>50017610
Always a big fan of a band of Aeneas's followers post Troy as an idea for a warband, but it's obviously a bit early compared to all your Peloponnesian Greeks.

>>50017744
the idea is that it's all compatible. It's merely whatever figures you want to use.

So earlier greeks are fine. I just happen to like 490-450bc in style.

>>50012786
>Sounds like he wasn't familiar with the rules?
he was the designer/writer of the game.... if anyone should be familiar, it would be him.

>>50016958
>being this stupid

>>50018322
Yes I am very stupid please explain the joke

>>49967616
anyone have any ebooks/scans o Irish tower houses? Have the one on scottish tower houses.

I'd really love a pdf copy of Dux Bellorum if anyone has a copy.

>>50018346
Its a common meme here, he's just Bumping the thread. It used to be BMP-2 or something but now its LAV-75

>>50017610
whats wrong with being gay?

>>50018523
Did you know that assuming people are aware of obscure points of knowledge is a sign of autism

>>50018564
sounds like some p obscure knowledge you got there anon

>>50018564
Happens literally every thread

>>50018603
I don't stay in these threads long enough to ever notice.

>>50018616
then fuck off

>>50018659
No thanks

>>50018671
you're not welcome here

>>50018671
>>50018616
hey shitposter-kun

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ol' BMP has been stuck off by the wayside since the thread's been way more active lately.

>>50018692
Your mom isn't welcome here.

>>50018692
>>50018702
It's too late

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>>50012809
>Charles Grant's The War Game

One of the founding works about the hobby. A great example of how the old-school grogs did it circa 1965, before Gilder came along. Quaint and dated now of course but still an interesting read. I remember seeing some pics on a blog recently where a club refought the game shown on the cover, using original minis and terrain.

http://www.mediafire.com/file/bu481zd32u6bpwo/The+War+Game.pdf

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>>50014509

If you're still looking for advice, I have a little bit.

My ships are mounted on plasticard. The plasticard is glued to a thin, flexible sheet magnet cut to the same dimensions. This layering does 2 things. First, it makes the base thick enough it's easier to handle by the edges; if you just use plasticard its hard sometimes to get your nails under the bases. Second, I spray the inside of tool checks with magnetic spray paint. That allows me to put the ships into tool chests and not have them move around, making transport *much* easier and significantly lowering the chances of breaking off the very fragile masts I add to my ships.

You're likely in a different scale than me (I use GHQ and Panzerschiffe), but my capital ships (BBs, BCs) are on 2" wide by 4" long bases, medium ships (CAs, CLs) are on 2" wide by 3.5" long bases, and DDs are on 1.25" by 2.75" long bases. If you're at 1/3000 scale instead of my 1/2400, shrinking those length/width measurements by 0.25" each should generally work well.