Are mortals powerless and useless in Exalted?

>>49952315
Compared to exalted, yes, but still a legitimate threat.

>>49952315
Not useless, they can hold dots in things like Bureaucracy and Sail for you so you can spend your XP on getting all 500 Solar Hero charms instead.

>>49952315
Most people in the real world aren't special ops super assassins trained to hone their body to a lethal killing machine either. They still manage to be the ones, you know, running 99 percent of shit.

Exceptionally.

Exalted is sorta fucked up in the sense that Mortals aren't capable of a whole lot of stuff real world people did absolutely fine.

I remember a funny case involving the rules for medicine and surgery. It's almost impossible for a lone mortal surgeon to perform even a basic operation without killing the patient, when in the real world fucking neolithic man performed and survived exactly the same kind of basic surgery with little more than flint tools and herbal medicines.

>>49952452
Can I have some neolithic surgery sauce? Sounds interesting.

>>49952937

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_surgery

This is a basic overview which can lead you to more detailed stuff.

>>49952452
That surgeon probably was an exalted neanderthalian.

One of the most powerful organizations in the setting is mortal owned and operated and drives the economy for a large portion of the setting. So no. They're far from powerless.

>>49952315
No, but still not suitable for players.

>>49952315
Combat wise? yes

Politically/economically? no

>>49956503
Thos would be true if there weren't social charms. But there are, and the least of them reduce mortals to spineless sycophants. An Exalt could totally take over the Guild in an afternoon if it were worth their time.

>>49952452
There was a surgeon who removed his own appendix a day before it would have burst when he was the only physician out of the 12 people there. I think other people might have moved mirrors around at his instruction but the physician's hands were inside his own body.

>>49956715
No, he can't, because "the" Guild is a lie.

It's not a single organization, anymore than "the" US market is one organization.

Could an Exalt do it? Yeah, eventually, if he was lucky and strong enough, just like everything else an Exalt "could" do.

>>49952452
>>49958516
3e changed the difficulty ladder, by the way. Surgery like an appendectomy is difficulty 2 now.

>>49958547

Interesting. Although I heard someone mention that Mortals barely even work by the same system as Exalts at this point?

>>49958567

they don't get bonuses, their 1s penalize, and they get no reprieve of extra dice to throw at anything, leaving them with their stats and a fucking clenched prayer they'll get more than 2 successes ever.

It's it's own kind of game, definitely, but it's basically exalted without all the quality of life additives.

>>49958567

Not really?

Mortals are just Exalts without magic and worse healing, same as always.

It's clear that the difficulty ladder was written assuming heroic gameplay, but that still applies to mortals.

The fact that a numerical advantage is huge in the new combat engine means they're reasonably capable of taking on more threats than they could in 2e. (A real advantage; 5 individual heroic mortals is much stronger than 1000 scrubs in a battle group.)

>>49958593
>they don't get bonuses,
Uh? They get the same (non-magic) bonuses that anyone gets. Stunts are a free 2 dice for basically everything, for example.

>their 1s penalize
Okay, what the fuck are you talking about?

That's not a rule in Exalted period, let alone for mortals.

>>49958603

>5 are stronger than 1000

if you're comparing one of the 1000 to one of the five, sure, but BG traits really fucking sink it into characters who can't withdraw easily and don't have the charms to avoid how miserable fighting BGs can be.

So, in a perfect samurai drama fashion, they can dive in heroically, cleaving countless men, getting speared in the back here and there until they die kneeling and painted red, not really finishing the army off, but definitely denting the hell out of it.

>>49958638
>if you're comparing one of the 1000 to one of the five, sure, but BG traits really fucking sink it into characters who can't withdraw easily and don't have the charms to avoid how miserable fighting BGs can be.

No, this is actually something that's been run.

ONE elite heroic mortal vs. a Size 5 BG of typical troops has a reasonable chance of winning by rout.

Five would demolish it, probably even with a leader attached.

>>49958684

shit, we dynasty warriors now

At least in 2e, martial arts were another thing Mortals in Exalted were worse at than their real world counterparts.

Things real people could do like disarming an opponent were locked behind Essence walls and such.

What would be an alternative system to play mortals? In D&D, the characters seem almost too strong for mortals.

>>49952315
They were designed to be effective prayer battery so they're not useless. 100 mortals with AK47 could probably kill an Ess 2 Solar, that is if he doesn't social fu them.

>>49958752
Depends on the edition. I think cats were proven to be far stronger than the average person in either 2e or 3e.

>>49958684
Is this assuming the battlegroup has acommander? Because, unless we're talking about white room bullshit instead of actual play, a battlegroup definitely should have a commander, always. Well, maybe not a handful of thugs trying to beat and rob someone in a dark alley, though even then one thug bossing the others around would make sense. An army should always have a commander, though, and a competent one at that. The base stats of a battle-ready-soldier, bonuses from Size and additional bonus from the leader's command roll should be scary even to heroic mortals.

>>49952315

Physically? Yes. If you aren't a retarded mortal though, it's possible to match them in charisma and ingenuity, but you'll be playing the long game and nobody will wait for your squishy ass to invent nuclear fission when they can just get another exalt to whack things with a metal stick. Of course, this is assuming that you are an intelligent mortal, since as >>49952452 indicated, the average non-Exalt is an imbecile with horrifically low standards to begin with.

So not only are exalted better physically, Exalted mortals are so dumb that the fact they have the same minds might as well not come into play. Exigents are probably a more accurate comparison to the what most normal settings would call a "mortal" as far as capabilities go.

>>49952315
>powerless
Not really an extremely dedicated enlightened mortal can learn martial arts, thaumaturgy and sorcery.
They're not good by any means, but it's possible to be relevant if you try really goddamn hard and don't mind getting outshone by literally everything else that matters in setting.
However non enlightened mortals are nearly completely useless outside of the aformentioned filler classes.

There's also the matter of whether or not you can consider an enlightened human a mortal anymore, but that's besides the point.

>>49958752
Mutants and Masterminds.

If you want just mortals shackle them to maximum PL 5. If you want really heroic mortals remove PL limit but don't allow them to take powers that are not equipment based.

>>49952315
Eh, not always. See the Prefect of Paragon for an example of a mortal that's still large and in charge.

Here's the thing, what people always forget is that gods, demons, spirits, ghosts, and Exalts are all just as much people in their own way as mortals. Meaning they like cash and influence as much as anybody else. Mortals in the know with enough resources can bend the ear of God's. They might not be able to summon a storm themselves but if they want a hurricane to hit Coral they can buy it. Need a champion to scare some thugs into cooperation? You know who likes money? Exalts. Need a plague or love or seduction or crop yields or a blessing? It has a price tag. That's the great thing about Exalted. Everything has a price. If you can't do it your self you can finagle in somebody who can through manipulation, bribery, sex, or extortion, and really, in these cases, magical powers can still only help so much.

>>49966751
The Tri-Khan of Chiaroscuro is arguably an even better example, as he has no magical bullshit comparable to that of the Perfect at his disposal.

>>49967239
Are you talking about the current Tri-Khan, or the original Tri-Khan who founded Chiaroscuro? Cause the original was a Lunar in disguise.

How strong is Artifact N/A, is there any example and how to make them?

>>49967853
As strong as you want. An example is the Five-Metal Shrike, an invincible magical airship with a death ray. You make them with First Age bullshit and sucking off your ST.

>>49967881
>As strong as you want
Huh, did they just throw this shit around in the war against the Yozi?

>>49967925
Most of the really cool stuff was built afterwards when they had time and peace to sit down for decades and refine and purify everything to super awesome levels.

>>49967853

N/A level artefacts, moreso than other artefacts, have entire long term games built around them. Think of the One Ring from LotR or Numidium from TES.

There's a sidebar on how to make one in Wonders of the Lost Age (page 15), and has a number of N/A artefacts throughout, but none of which are personal size.

So is this new Exalted General?

>>49958752
Why would you want to play mortals?

>>49967853
to be a little more helpful, I am used to define 3 kinds of N/A Artifacts: the low N/A level - First Age battleships and other imbalanced stuff, the medium N/A level - Sword of Creation and similar setting defining Artifacts and finally what is even more N/A: Exaltations, the whole of Authochnia, etc.

Autists may now call me out on saying Exaltations are Artifacts.

>>49968984

They can also cal you out for saying that Authochnia is a single artefact an not, in fact, the world-body jotun of a Primordial.

>>49967636
The current one, one of the riches and most powerful rulers in the world.

>>49958547
>It's not a single organization
Then why are you holding it up as an example of mortal capability? No one said the were incapable of creating small regional powers.

>>49970060
It is neither a single organization nor a regional power. It is a network or an alliance of merchants and merchant organizations. It is a global institution with real power and influence, but not a centarlized organization and therefore not something that can be taken over like an organization.

>>49952315
I had some mortals gank an Infernal two sessions ago, and my Abyssals ST had one of the other PCs also ganked by mortals. Mortals can be threatening if the PC fucks up.

>>49952315
>Are mortals powerless and useless in Exalted?

No. They are exceedingly threatening to newbie players, or stupid players. Exalts die to mortals if the exalts don't know what they're doing - after all, perfect defenses won't save you if you elect not to use them.

>>49970206

I take it they weren't Dawn types, no? Hoe did that happen anyway?

>>49970157
>>49958547
You think only groups with centralized power structures can be taken over? The mortals who together comprise the Guild cannot, individually or as a group, physically or socially, do jack shit about even a single Exalted. They're vermin, and the only reason they remain independent is because their significance is limited to other mortals.

>>49967129
The Exalted who care about cash can make so much that they're beyond being bribed. Nothing you could offer them would increase their Wealth dots, so from their point of view they're being offered nothing at all. And a lot of them don't care about cash and would take offense to being bribed, so good luck with that.

>>49971053
Hegra scourge was trying to play damsel in distress and win over a bunch of soldiers through the power of tits (she had a Necklace of Solar Charisma).

Commander of the soldiers was not favorably inclined to this after having heard about what the scourge had previously been doing (drug orgies, that sort of thing), ordered soldiers to stab the demonwhore. About half of them refused and objected.

The other half began attacking: whiff, whiff, Scourge opts to not use her DV against what are surely pitiful mortals so she can look injured for more sympathy, ping for 0, ping for 1L... coordinated aimed attack, mortal hits with a bunch of threshold for 4L, shit, use DV again, other coordinated mortal hits for 4L.

>>49971204
In terms of canon fluff, that is factually incorrect, because the Guild has, for centuries, done jack shit about the Exalted. Their significance is in no way limited to other mortals, as the economic power of the Guild can affect nations, including ones ruled by the Dragon-Blooded, and even the affairs of the Realm to some extent. Imean, fuck, have you ever even read the Manacle and Coin, or maybe Masters of Jade?

>>49971368
What I've read is the 2nd and 3rd edition rules, and in both of those there's not a ton that mortals or social groups of mortals can do, even with a lot of Resources, to defend themselves against someone with the right charms. If fluffbooks treat mortals as anything more than dust in the wind, that's very generous of them.

>>49971448
Fluff is what defines the "reality" of the setting, such as it is. Rules are tools for players to use. Preferably they should be in line with the fluff, but if this is not the case, the fluff still describes how things actually work in the world. That said, if a Guild factor, say, doesn't directly negotiate with a known Exalt, instead sending an underling with certain strictly defined limits on what kinds of deals he can make, the ability of the Exalt to mess with the factor's head most certainly is restricted. Numbers matter, mercenaries matter, ability to prevent the import of food and other useful things into your country matters, ability to bribe, pressure or persuade other powers of the world to oppose you matters. Having intimacies matters in 3E. The fact that getting rid of one factor and maybe taking over Guild's operations in on region means taht the rest of the Guild will continue operating as usual, only know they view you as a threat, most definitely matters.

>>49971368
>reading the introduction to Manacle & Coin
>"Thank god the real world no longer has human trafficking or drug addiction anymore, amirite?"
>not sure if sarcastic or just stupid

>>49971561
>Having intimacies matters in 3E
It matter if you don't know any charms to get around it, of which there are many. Honestly, the stricter social influence rules in 3e only hobble the sort of characters they were intended to protect - mortals and people highly specialized in something non-social.

your own po as familiar?

>>49972181

You're own soul? It'd probably require some amount of sorcery and being alright with being a half-souled weirdo.

Would statements that are technically true but misleading be charisma or manipulation?
lies by omission, "jedi lies", etc

>>49972181
inside or outside your body?

>>49966751
The Prefect gets by through relying on an object created by his betters that none of those betters care enough about to take and controlling a small region they, again, don't care about.

>>49970157
If its a global institution, note that being singular, then exalts can interact with it as such and take it easily. If it's not a global institution and is instead a bunch of random fucks who consider each other allies, then it's not really a valid display.

>>49968847
you have no imagination

>>49972181

So like Youmu from Touhou?

>>49972181
links born of tumult. thats what you want. it'd fit even better if you somehow had it as a control spell.

Boys. Heaven's Reach makes mention to nanotechnology, but how is this applied in it? I can't picture a single usage of it in the setting.

>>49975424

Just take all the stuff where "motonics" or "magitech" was applied and replace it with "nanotechnology."

>>49975424
iirc theres a town where everybody is creepy because they're infested

>>49967636
>Original Tri-Khan was a Lunar
>Using 2e society lore

I would not advise it.

>>49975424
Femtotech, actually. It's six orders of magnitude smaller than nanotech, which is to say, one-millionth the size in each dimension.

>>49975829
Chaya

Anyone has the list of 1st circle demons? The main wiki is dead and the fanon one doesn't have much details on them, the ones in the CoCD Malfeas aren't enough and most of them are really disturbing to me.

>>49976118
cocd malfeas, exalted core, can't remember if the sorcery book had some, they're scattered through the books and theres less than you'd think.

do you just need names and descriptions? or stats?

>>49952315
Yeah.

>>49970206
>2e
Mortals are known to be a threat to Exalts in 2e. If you're not talking 2e then you're talking houserules and that's meaningless.

>>49976141
Planning to run a GSP for the first time, need a demon for coadjutor and some more to be minions/breeding stock/material, but most of them have the tendency to hunt and consume human flesh so I want to avoid that.

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>>49976118
>most of them are really disturbing to me.
Then perhaps Exalted is not your game. I'd suggest playing pic related, it seems more your style.

>>49976245

Hello Strength of Many

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>>49976118
They should be disturbing, I think that's the point. Also, most of the demons that aren't in CoCD: M are in Books of Sorcery 5 - Roll of Glorious Divinities II.

Coincidentally, that's also where the best girl is.

>>49976772
they don't do that if you tell them not to. and it's not *most* off the top of my head it's mostly just decanthropes, blood apes, those lantern things, and the tentacle deer.

most of exalted's demons aren't really "demonic" in the traditional ways, just weird

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>>49976965
Look, I'm okay with the Neomah (though I don't have bald fetish), the always play music with long fingers, the wasp, the blood apes but this fuckshit is not okay
>>49977097
Thanks, wish that I don't have to search for a 1st circle from Malfeas to create a Slayer

>>49977556
>wish that I don't have to search for a 1st circle from Malfeas to create a Slayer

Yeah, the way exalted is published across 20 books that all say "see [other book here] for details" because they don't have room for a single paragraph, but contain multiple pages of meaningless snippets of comics is a bit bullshit. but far more bullshit is the way they left big holes in the setting and rules that have the balls to say "the fact you have to write this yourself makes it fun and mystical" rather than admit they just had holes and couldn't afford to hire the extra guy to fix it

>>49977556

God I want to damn my dick into that maw of its

Omf

>>49978029
>t. First Age Solar ghost

whats your favorite control spell

>>49974030
The Perfect - not Prefect - owns a very powerful magical artifact that a lot of Exalts absolutely would love to own and rules a very large and powerful vity-state that is one of the major powers of a Direction. Saying that his betters don't care about him, his scepter or his nation isn't even misinformation, it's an outright lie.

>>49972683
if you're intending to mislead I'd go with manipulation

>>49952315

Yes, that's the point. Without the Exalted, Creation is doomed. Mortals only matter so far in that the best of them may someday Exalt.

Can't do that? You're not worth shit.

to be fair it's also doomed as a direct result of those exalts, bit of a wash really

>>49972683

It's fully a matter of intent. Even white lies would be Charisma if the intent is honest

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>>49972524
>>49972181

>>49978304

Death Beam

Failing that, Wood Dragon Claw for fluffing my bodily odor as attacks.

>>49952315
>Are mortals powerless and useless in Exalted?

Standard mortals are useful statistically, but individually powerless.

Heroic Mortals have all the same plot influence as Exalts, except without the magic backing them up. They're more powerful and useful than most minor gods and elementals.

How do I break the game by mass training tons of mortals into kung fu master heroic mortals? Which charms and resources do I need?

>>49981424

2e: Tiger Warrior Training Technique and that Lore charm that allows you awaken a person's essence.

3e: Ha ha, good luck buddy.

>>49972181
>>49972524
>>49980098
>「Me, Myself, and I」

>>49983279

Acceptable, however

>「Dancing with Myself」

Hits better notes IMO.

>>49976772
so malfeas or....who're you favoring? and which urge?

they each only have like 2 demons that ever got any official writeup, so you're not looking at a lot of choices, sadly.

also are you planning on taking any coadjutor mutations?

>>49980098
>tumblr
fuck off

>>49977556
>Slayer
>>49984250
was supposed to reply to that other one where he said slayer

>>49984253
It's just a google image search result. I could have renamed the file if I had any interest in doing so.

>>49978386
>that a lot of Exalts absolutely would love to own
And would take if they new it existed

>rules a very large and powerful vity-state
It's neither very large or particularly powerful

>>49986435
populous and fairly wealthy at least. isn't nexus basically morpork?

>>49986435
No, compared to the other big cities that Exalted fleshes out it isn't that big a deal. But all those empty spots on the map are implied to be filled with smaller cities and kingdoms. The fact that Paragon is fleshed out at all clearly singles it out as a major power, at least on the scale of its direction.

First point is well founded, though. I've made at least one southern based Eclipse who'd love to have such an artifact, and she could probably get it too after some scheming.

So a merchant house/family has upset my Infernal coven, and they're now plotting to slaughter every last member of it.

Soliciting suggestions: What kind of cool last-resort stuff might I throw at them that an old and wealthy merchant house might have stored in their basement for doomsday measures? I'm thinking several bound or hired demons and elementals from dealing with sorcerers through the ages (only Exalts can bind, but they'd probably task-bind a few demons as a favor to defend a sponsor at some time in the past), a hearthstone-powered combat suit (think Fallout power armor), potentially a bound behemoth, quite a lot of ghosts of merchants past, and a one-shot-left superweapon that kills any mortals but which the Infernals can shrug off with their awesome charm defenses.

>>49988023

Wonders of the Lost Age has a selection of Powered Armour and magitech weapons and baubles, but if you use them, the players will take them.

>>49988023

Depending on the merchant, I think a good doomsday weapon would be a sealed 2CD/3CD in an item that is sorcerously bound to complete a task to whomever breaks the item.

anybody have a full list of official/published/statted first circle demons?

I don't need the stats, just a list of names so I can search through the books

>>49989311

Gervesin, The Grieving Lord, is a 2CD that often takes the form of a lance that utterly subsumes the mind of any mortal who wields it. It'd make for an interesting fight for the merchant to pick it up as a last resort against Exalts.

To believe your enemy cannot best you is to invite ruin.

>>49952315
Understand that everything in Exalted is taken to the extreme and then further.
Creation is 5 times bigger than Earth.
Exalts may be nearly unstoppable, but there's 300 Solars (Now merely 150, with 100 Abyssals and 50 Infernals), 300 Lunars, 100 Sidereals, and a few million Dragon bloods.
There's many billions of mortals.
And of those mortals, a small percent are called Heroic mortals. Heroic mortals, on their best day, with the best training and equipment money can buy, can perform about as well as a fresh Solar exalt, or a Dragon-blood with moderate experience. They'd get flattened by anything higher, of course.
An army of Heroic mortals would not easy to gather by any measurement, but they could outnumber the Dragon-blooded.
And after a point, numbers do count for more than raw power. Case in both the Primordials and the Usurpation.

Mortals are weak, and die by the millions, but they are not powerless.

>>49984250
>who're you favoring? and which urge?
Still deciding on the second Yozi, Adorjan seems to be the best if I need to go speedy killshit and her PD is also one of the best, Cecelyne seems extremely useful if I need a cult and surviving in desert, haven't read SWLiHN so no idea on what she can do but apparently her Shintai and PD are really cool, don't want to touch TED since I don't want to focus on how to manipulative people, but again LSD + EMS + CCC and his PD seem like something every GSP should have.
Urge to blow shit up by Malfeas seems to be the easiest to do
>also are you planning on taking any coadjutor mutations?
Maybe
Still after reading One Piece in the latest chapter I kinda want to do a GSP Sanji with Kimbery patron

Roll to tame animal: presence or survival?

>>49975857
Given that they don't really have the capacity to spread whatever it is that they carry, Chaya doesn't really count.

>>49988023
>only Exalted can bind

Any sorcerer, even if not Exalted, can bind demons in third edition.

>>49989532
There are ~400 Lunars in two thirds of the editions.

>>49992250
Survival.

should lunars be able to become plants or spirits?

>>49992571
they did in 2e
>>49992376
>Survival.
thanks

>>49989950
Well you can use urge caste and favored yozi's 1cd as a coadjutor, and if theres a specific mutation you're looking for it might narrow down the demon for you

>>49988023
>combat suit
don't you need lifespan sapping implants to wear one of those?(at least in 2e)

>>49952315
How do you kill a god?

They say that no one can win against war itself. Only by a sacrifice worth more than the victory itself can one defeat war in a battle.

They say that she is more powerful than all of good and evil but rests on the balance of them both. Disturb the balance of good and evil and she will fall toppling down. Only then can you defeat her.

They say he is untouchable and only the winds can chase him. Flow like water and allow him to come to you, then you can strike him.

They say she can say words that cut the soul. Only the deaf can attack her without fear of harm.

Yeah you kind of need a plot device or something for mortals to actually do something.

>>49992998

But first you need mystic kungfu for that.

Remember, Exalted is actually a strictly mechanistic setting. Creation runs on real, observable and well-defined rules.

The one wild card is Exaltation. The Exalted beat the Yozis by targeting their weaknesses, but they still had to do a LOT of actual punching.

>>49986435
Dude, it's one of the three largets cities in the South, together with Chiaroscuro and Gem. As for the Exalted not knowing about the sceptre, what the fuck are you smoking? It's not a secret. The Perfect's hold over his citizen is well known.

>>49989532
>Creation is 5 times bigger than Earth.
It isn'tm though. About the same size as the Earth, is more like it.

>a few million Dragon bloods.
Some tens of thousands.

>There's many billions of mortals.
500 million is a canon figure from one of the 2E books, I seem to recall.

>>49992998
nah. just stab war and use spirit eating technique. easy.

>>49993973
>>49986720
ooh, right. the perfect of paragon. I was thinking of nexus emissary for some reason when I said that

>>49992903
Talons, claws or hooves would prevent me from learning MA so maybe horns, can I just go for the cosmetic effect? Though charka eyes seem nice to have at chargen

>>49988295
I was looking more for ideas than statblocks, but thanks I guess.

>>49989311
Cool, that would be a good reason for why a major demon is opposing loyalist Infernals.

>>49992376
Weird change from the plotpoint of the surrender oaths.

>>49992903
This is supposed to be for a last resort when the main house is being overrun. Some lifespan loss is tolerable.

>>49995024
>This is supposed to be for a last resort when the main house is being overrun. Some lifespan loss is tolerable.

iirc they're implants, and they drain life all the time not just when in the armor

Does anyone remember which Solar charms deal effectively infinite damage?

>>49952452
It's funny to think that there are some IRL combat groups e.g. the Gurkhas inb4 Gurkhas are all descended from some dimension-hopping Dawn Caste could btfo Exalted mortals without any Essence.

>>49956715
>>49956503
I feel like the Guild exists only to try to be a paper tiger with a "TAKE ME OVER AND BEND ME TO YOUR WILL THROUGH THE POWER OF GLORIOUS SOLAR ECONOMICS" sign taped to it, because it's trying to convince you something that has no mechanical defence against your E3 Solar Diplomancer Deluxe is a genuine sociopolitical threat instead of a treasure trove.

>>49997253
>I feel like the Guild exists only to try to be a paper tiger with a "TAKE ME OVER AND BEND ME TO YOUR WILL THROUGH THE POWER OF GLORIOUS SOLAR ECONOMICS" sign taped to it, because it's trying to convince you something that has no mechanical defence against your E3 Solar Diplomancer Deluxe is a genuine sociopolitical threat instead of a treasure trove.
I'm pretty sure you're supposed to be able to subvert the Guild if you're a socially oriented Solar, but it won't be easy. I mean, if one Guild factor starts acting weird, his peers are likely to suspect that something weird is going on - they are used to operating in a world where various superhumanly persuasive, smetimes outright mind-controlling entities exist, after all. The same will happen if the Guild's hierarchs start acting weird. The bigsht factors won't directly meet a known or suspected Exalt in order to avoid being mind-whammied, and there is no one person or even any handful of persons who could hand over the Guild to you if persuaded properly. The bets way to take over the Guild would be by avoiding overt shows of glorious Solar power and by prtending to be just another merchant climbing the ranks.

What's the point of GSP as a whole? They just sounds like Abyssals 2.0.

>>50000061
They are less doomed, more free, and most importantly, Exalted's Hell is cool as, you know, hell.

>>50000109
Yeah, they sound like better choice for evil Solar unless you are really into undead.

But they still fill same niche.

>>50000061
>>50000160
>They just sounds like Abyssals 2.0
No, Deathknight is forced to kill stuffs, if they try to be nice the Resonance bitchslap them, meanwhile GSP has more freedom in doing things (Yozi can't control the Urge, just sets it up to do things automatically and there are charms to change that, or you can just act like cartoon villains and bleed off limits) and usually they can bitchslap Yozi back when they're strong enough
One of the really cool things you can do when you're a GSP is that you can build an inner world inside yourself, birth some 3rd Circle Deva who will make some 2nd Circle Deva for themselves, you can tell them to make some 1st Circle to serve you or just Craft (Genesis) by yourself and fuck yeah you're a mini primordials without the fetich weakness and can spam hundreds of thousands 1st Circle as armies to fuck shit up, or just make some sex demons according to your fetishes and fuck them in your inner world

>>49999929
Mortals in the fluff seem fairly ignorant as to what charms and social influence are capable of. Which I guess makes sense - even the rich tend to be ignorant as fuck, and Solars are just beginning to come back after being gone for centuries. So maybe a guild factor is aware of the existence of Dragon-Blooded and has even met one, but Dragon-Blooded are so entranched in feudal politics that they see commerce as beneath them and so never bother to meddle in mortal trade ventures.

>>50000061
except abyssals are boring and suck, nothing but a lazy copy/paste of solars with a coat of shitty emo paint....while infernals are one of the best written(charm trees) and fun splats.

>>50000393
>>50000422
You can play murderhobo with GSP if you so desire.

Point is, GSP seem like better version of Abyssals, so it begs the question why the fuck did White Wolf release them over Infernals in 3rd(besides wanting to make people cash out for Infernal book) and why didn't they get changed to make them more unique and fun.

>>49993770
If you stat it, they will kill it. And Exalted is very autistic about statting everything and everyone. It's the Grand Theft Auto of RPG settings.

>>49999929
Or, if you didn't take the right Socialize charms, you could systematically reduce each Guild official to a fine pink mist and each Guild outpost to a fucked-to-death pile of burning feces. And an Exalt can travel faster than news travels, so the first few of them wouldn't even see it coming. The kind of defense they need can't be bought with any number of dots in Resources.

>>50000401
Solars are, however, being from legend, and them being evil demons who can, among other things, befuddle minds of mortals, is something the Immaculate Faith has made sure everyone knows. Also no, the Dragon-Blooded sure as hell don't see commerce as beneath them. I mean, House Ragara is, like a Jewish banking clan, only Exalted, the Cynis trde extensively in slaves and vice, and so on. Dragon-Blooded outside the Realm are, of course, no particularly entrenched in feudal politics of any sort. Also also the Realm isn't exactly feudal, but I guess that's beside the point here.

>>49952315
>in Exalted?
How's that different from D&D, where a common housecat has a good chance to dispatch any commoner?

>>50000610
This is true, but it's really something that's more of a problem for Guildsmen than the Gild. I mean, outsmarting, outmaneuvering and just generally fucking over a member of the Guild, no matter how rich or smart or high-ranking, isn't all that big of a challenge for an Exalt. The Guild as a whole is a different issue, however.

I think maybe a problem with social systems in lots of games is that most stories are about warriors and not diplomats and so in most games special abilities specifically for diplomacy are kind of dumb.

>>50000610
Guild has certain gods on their payroll, plus Dragon-Blooded mercs and similar.

They are not biggest obstacle in Realm, but they can fight back. Sure they would fold to Essence 6 Solar, but what wouldn't?

>>50000457
>You can play murderhobo with GSP if you so desire.


can. forced to. very different.

abyssals have only really have two stories: "killfuck shoulshiter: total slave" and "thousand yawns drizzit: the reluctant vampire who really wishes he'd rolled up a solar instead, luckily for him abyssal charms are just a pallet swap"

one can only be done as antagonists/solo/pure abyssal circles and tends to quickly make the setting less interesting wherever you go(this is a cool city lets go explo- aaand everyones dead. moving on then)
the other hijacks whatever else a mixed circle's players wanted to be doing from day one for his horribly generic little redemption quest.

infernals on the other hand are as free as solars(provided they occasionally cackle like a supervillain or blow off steam bantering with their nemesis or build a bond villain lair, all of which are fun anyway)

>>50000732
I'd bet they were intended to be antagonist-only. I mean, the Deathlords are pretty much set up to be ~FINAL BOSS~ material, particularly Mask of Winters and First and Forsaken Lion. Abyssals thereby are just meant to be anti-party and miniboss material.

>>50000933
>3they want to redo infernals from the ground up for...some mad reason...so it's gonna take longer. sadly we should expect 3e infernals to be as different as lunars from 1 to 2(and presumably massively rewritten again in 3). basically just sharing a name and general aesthetic, which is why having multiple independent instances of infernal transplant homebrews is so important

See, this is what don't understand. Why not change Abyssals instead? GSP already do same thing better, so it doesn't make sense to rework better version and leave worse one in.

Granted, part of it is Malfeas being more interesting place than Underworld can ever hope to be, but still.

>>50000726
This is Exalted. The vast majority of "gods" are weaklings that a starting Exalt could turn inside-out without breaking a sweat. And mercenaries are famous for breaking and running at the first sign of trouble - they can't spend their coin if they're dead.

>>50001385
>And mercenaries are famous for breaking and running at the first sign of trouble
Are they? Were the Swiss mercenaries, for instance, famous for this? Why would the Guild use a lot of money to hire know cowards, rather than people who have shown willingness to actually risk something for their coin?

>>50001385
>. The contract between the caravan god’s divine
superiors and the Guild factors usually stipulates that
the god must come to the caravan’s rescue unless the
caravan faces overwhelming force—which is read to
mean a strike force of Exalted or powerful God-Blooded.
However, caravan gods are often younger protégés
that the god of that particular road or chain of roads is
grooming for bigger and better things—connected and
cocksure, and often willing to bite off more than they
can chew. More than one Exalt has slain or driven off
a caravan god only to find himself in hot water with
that god’s superiors—which is exactly how the Guild
likes it.

How can an Exalted create super soldiers?

I have a few ideas

- Create magical weapons
- Use necromancy to create evil undead monsters
- Deliberately create a bunch of Liminal Exalted
- Use sorcery and the Wyld to mutate creatures
- Raise your own Dragon-Blooded Exalts
- Teach thaumaturgy to others (explicitly allowed but weak)
- Create sorcerers of your own (I think this is a fairly reasonable Sorcerous Working although I'm not sure how difficult it'd be)
- Create a powerful elemental spirit or dragon using a sorcerous working similar to Summon Elemental and then force it to create an Exigent (probably killing the spirit)

>>50001518

Because no amount of money can prepare you for having to fight a man who burns with Solar fire.

I mean, just read the fluff! People are goddamn terrified of Exalted. Dragon-blooded are scary enough, but a Celestial Exalt? He just fucking cut three men in half. They shot like, two dozen arrows into him and they bounced off. Now he's coming for you, and he's going to cram his daiklaive down your throat.

And that's a Dawn Caste. The Twilight Caste will just rape your butthole with a million demons. The Eclipse caste will turn your childhood friends against you, and your wife will stab you in your bed while weeping "I *have* to do it, I *have* to." The Zenith caste will raise an angry mob, fuck up your god with his bare hands, and when they lynch you, your only thought will be "I fucking deserve this. I'm such an asshole."

With the Night Caste, you'll never see him coming. You'll just wake up dead and thinking "Well, fuck."

>>50001591

Tiger-Warrior Training Technique, then Enlighten them one by one. Done, super-soldiers.

>>50000457
>GSP seem like better version of Abyssals, so it begs the question why the fuck did White Wolf release them over Infernals in 3rd(besides wanting to make people cash out for Infernal book) and why didn't they get changed to make them more unique and fun.

1abyssals are nice and generic so it's easy to tack onto the solar antagonists section as quickie badguys on your level, thats really all they ever were anyway.

2nobodys gonna buy an abyssal book if infernals is out, like you said they're just better.

3they want to redo infernals from the ground up for...some mad reason...so it's gonna take longer. sadly we should expect 3e infernals to be as different as lunars from 1 to 2(and presumably massively rewritten again in 3). basically just sharing a name and general aesthetic, which is why having multiple independent instances of infernal transplant homebrews is so important

4solars must be fellated at all times and never ever overshadowed. a renegade abyssal's angsty wail of "if only I could be so grossly incandescent! :'( " is basically that in a can.

5 the few non shit themes abyssals tended to make for themselves in 2e are likely to be stolen by liminals and to a lesser extent psychopomp exigents. (for some reason we needed a fanboy copy/paste of prometheans)


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>>50000662
you went jewish with it? I can see that, but I always figured they were classic dutch

>>50001634

I like the fact that the original Infernals are ENTIRELY based around spite.

I think they got the 'cold' Abyssals and the 'hot' Infernals properly differentiated, but there was way too much rape in the Infernals book. The Infernals also had some problems, like their ability to snipe people with Limit, the pointless Unwoven Coadjudicator, and the fact that Hell had everything and nothing at once.

>>50001518

Because no-one knows exactly how deadly a Solar Exalted is. No-one's seen a Solar except in stories. Only people 'in the know' have an idea what the Dragon-blooded can do, so they'll start off by thinking "Okay, we need to hit this guy the way we'll hit one of the Dragon-blooded."

They have no idea that a Solar moves faster and kills harder than a DB. They don't even know what powers Solars have, or how amped-up their Charms are!

>>50001608
If we're talking about fluff, the Guild has survived and thrived for centuries in a world with Dragon-Blooded, Lunars, Sidereals and gods in it. It hasn't been subverted by any superhuman power. It hasn't survived by staying beneath the notice of superhuman powers. It has just developed ways to endure and exert meaningful power among these powers. This is what the fluff says.

>>50001682
'Kay, so no one knows to run before it's too late. How is that supposed to support your position?

Also people in the know absolutely do know that Solars are more powerful than the Dragon-Blooded. Stories make this clear, and Lunars, who are in fact around, show that the Anathema can well be more powerful thna individual DBs.

>>50001591

>Create magical weapons

Wouldn't they need motes to attune to that? If Magitech armour comes back they might have another work around.

>Use necromancy to create evil undead monsters

Possible.

>Deliberately create a bunch of Liminal Exalted

Is it even known how that's done? Even then you need a way to control them.

>Use sorcery and the Wyld to mutate creatures

Possible.

>Raise your own Dragon-Blooded Exalts

Would take countless generations, spanning hundreds of years. As the size of the army grows, so does the likelihood of being found out.

>Teach thaumaturgy to others (explicitly allowed but weak)

Is there even any combat thaumaturgy?

>Create sorcerers of your own

That'd raise some interesting possibilities.

>Create a powerful elemental spirit or dragon using a sorcerous working similar to Summon Elemental and then force it to create an Exigent.

Doesn't Yu-Shan have a direct bureaucratic hand in creating Exigents?

Why not just summon an army of blood apes?

>>50001634

>they want to redo infernals from the ground up

Out of curiosity, while we know a bit on how the mechanical changes (ability based charms, Shintai, etc), how much do we know about the fluff changing? Lilun is gone and the castes are being renamed, but nothing major I can think of.

>>50002017
Aren't blood apes bloodthirsty demons? They don't really know discretion well and they don't have human loyalty.

>>50002139

>They don't really know discretion well.

They're super-soldiers in an army. Armies don't sneak up on countries, they invade them.

>they don't have human loyalty.

No, they don't, instead they have inviolable, supernatural loyalty to the person who summons them which can never be broken by any means. You say "jump", they say "how high?"

anybody got the link for 3e ported dragonbloods?

>>50002139
All demons are loyal to their summoner, provided the binding succeeds. It's true that disrcetion isn't really their thing, though.

>>50002063
Any good summary of what we know about GSP changes?

>>50002063
IIRC Reclamation totally scrapped, but what they replaced it with is at least as dumb. Now infernals exist to tell malfeas bedtime stories about how they beat a traitor-god to death with its own exigent.

They sound more like deathlords.
Grab some random, tell him hes awesome and dump an amalgamation of all the worst 1st age memories into his head. Give him power and tell him to go reclaim the glory that was stolen from him.
Because it'd be funny.

>>50001647
>ike their ability to snipe people with Limit,
?

I'm not familiar with this.
Are you thinking of resonance bomb?

>>50002385
I actually like this. Beats being the fuckboy of the Ebon Dragon and then dying like a retard when gofigure he fucks everyone over.

>>50001634
>(for some reason we needed a fanboy copy/paste of prometheans)

Because they were just writing Promethean 2e and hey, ORIGINALITY. Onyx Path everyone.

>>50002375

Not really, Infernals preview got shit canned for being so bad.

>>50002385

What has it been replaced with again? I know that GSPs being the prototype for something better is gone due to people hating it. I think the Yozi will be more distant/inscrutable and will follow the "Ligier is CEO of Malfeas Corp" paradigm.

Aren't Deathlord-Dathknight relationships going to be treated more like Sith Master-Apprentice relationships?

>>50002525
2e death lords

>>50002461
No, that part still happens too. It's just with different infernals that aren't you. Better ones, antagonist only unplayable ones that suddenly appear out of nowhere.

>>50002553
Bah, oh well, its not like any new splats will ever be made.

>>50002553
How does that even makes sense? You could eventually go super Primordial, what's better than that?
>>50002525
>Not really, Infernals preview got shit canned for being so bad.

That's actually hilarious. I still don't understand why they decided to tweak Infernals instead of Abyssals.

>>50003082

Instead of getting mirrored Solar charms, Abyssals are getting Deathlord based charms like Infernals will be getting Yozi based charms. They'll be focusing more on the chivalry of death instead of pulling everything into Oblivion, and the Deathlord-Deathknight relationship will be more like a Sith Master Apprentice relationship.

When the preview hit, most people fixated on rape ghosts.

>>50002252

Its not 100% completed yet, but most of it is.

http://forum.theonyxpath.com/forum/main-category/exalted/881714-a-clutch-of-dragons-hub-thread

>>50003082
They tweaked both. Infernals are now hell'ss princes. The Yozi link their souls up to the Infernals and send them out into creation to fuck it up out of spite and to live vicariously through their chosen.

>>50003425
Thanks. Now I just need to find siderals ;)

>>50003500
Abyssals are also apparently not longer the fuckbois of the Neverborn or deathlords anymore

>>50003500
So having demon voice inside your head got axed in favor of having demon god voice inside your head?

>>50003189
That still sounds really fucking bland and shit. Abyssals always have had twin issue of being boring and restrictive; hopefully they'll be given more possibilities and more interesting background to work with.

>>50003189
>When the preview hit, most people fixated on rape ghosts.

Turns out OP marketing to tumblr degenerates has this side effect, gofigure.

>>50003561

Ayup. Didn't they have fit over CDT promoting rape or some shit?

>>50003548

https://docs.google.com/document/d/15dK8fZaL-Kn-yGKxW6VRg_z6aF27FqbIf-t8ZEXmMC4/edit

And

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1T4FTsSprLYd8KWXgE5Rr1x7C9_B6Ln5cnGN8HF7a3Vk/edit

You're welcome.

>>50003578

Yea that was generally it. Holden got banned on Somethingawful for blowing up about it.

Really it'll be the only time I'll defend him about it to. The only sane response to those blithering harpies about it would be "Fuck off and fuck you"

>>50005445

I used to game with Holden. I disagree with him from a fluff and in some cases a crunch perspective, but he and Hatewheel are both pretty decent guys.

>>50005781

>I used to game with Holden.

Fucking seriously? what's he like as a player/ST?

>>50006037

Not bad. Works fairly hard at character backgrounds and fluffing his in game actions. Grandiose in presentation, but in Exalted that isn't a bad thing. He brings a lot to the table, but if you don't have a party who can roll with someone playing their character with in character reasons to be collaborating with others rather than "generic party member sharing common interest for the sake of the campaign" then he can be a bit tricky to play with. So it all depends on how much sidequesting or integrating character motivations you can handle.

>>50002424

No, no. See, Green Sun Princes accumulate Limit for acting against their Urge, right? And their Torment targets their INTIMACIES. It's possible to have an Intimacy with someone you've never met.

Let's say I suffer Cecelyne's Torment, the one that causes a cyclone of silver sand. Now, I like the Paragon of Perfect. I think he's the most handsome motherfucker I've ever seen. I have an Intimacy (Admiration) with him. Cecelyne disapproves of my Intimacy.

According to the rules, when I get hit by the Torment, he gets scourged too. So he's just going on with his day, then WHAM, cyclone of flaying sand erupting from beneath him while he goes "WHAT THE FUCK - WHY?"

>>50006188
That sounds cool but I'd rather have the Yozi tweak the Limit Break system into Random Shintai aka when you gain 10 Limits your Caste and Favored Yozi roll to see which one gets to hijack you, your mind falls into coma while that Yozi sets up the Shintai form and let it go berserk for a day. Malfeas would just go nuclear kaiju on everything, Adorjan runs around kill stuffs fast, Cecelyne turns land into desert etc...

>>50006387

Actually, this is how the system works in 2E. It's unintentional, but you can turn it into a long-range sniper rifle that can zap targets across Creation. It certainly wasn't what they intended.

Does anyone have the full, proper Miracles of the Solar Exalted PDF that includes the charm missing from the backer version? The one in the general is just plaintext and, you know, missing a charm.

>>50005445
>The only response I can form to inconvenient facts is self-entitled braindead arrogance.

>>50006634

You've been begging for a month, dude.

So the only way to increase DB is to commit incest?

>>50006962

And I still don't have it. Could you post it?

>>50007041

No.

Any pairing that involves the dragons' blood, even generations removed, could potentially lead to a new DB.

The purer the blood, the more likely a DB happens, but "pure" in this case just means "has fewer mortals in the family tree leading to them."

wincest makes your children stronger if you had good blood to start with

>>50007300
on the other hand as godbloods with dynastic inheritance the lintha operated on similar principals and they turned to shit pretty fast...

>>50007136
Oh okay, I thought Exalted promotes SJW until I realize it has all the fetishes (except some hardcore /d/) available

>>50007343
yeah, exalted is a weird mix. on the one hand writers and artists enjoy including puerile nonsense one handed, on the other hand onyx path is trying to market pretty heavily to tumblerinas.
it's not as mutually exclusive as you'd think, furries and whatnot.

>>50007388
Given the choice between marketing to people who want transsexuals (for example) to be recognized, and marketing people who want the exact opposite of that, I'd say they made the right choice.

>>50003560
It's more like a little piece of you is juiced up with Yozi juice and while you are powered up the Yozi get to partway experience what rulership is like again through you. Not just rulership though, like they can also be bureaucrats or philosopher priests or whatever strikes their fancy. And then they take the leash of and let you go ham on creation. The Solar part of your soul remembers being a god hero pre usurpation. The Yozi part remembers being a demiurge and shaping the very Cosmos, they both remember losing it all to betrayal and they both want their shit back. And the power drunk broken messes of mortality they empower rarely have enough impulse control to stop from burning out. Which is great because the cycle continues.

>>50007538
*marketing TO people who want the exact opposite of that

A lot of what makes people angry at the "pandering" is really just being realistic and logical. Exalted is a big setting; of course there's going to be lots of races. Exaltation chooses the most able mortals; of course they can come from pretty much any race, gender and background. Creation is full of isolated communities, and the Exalted who make them are prone to being showy and willful; of course there are going to be places where various unusual (to us) kinds of people are accepted as normal.

>>50006731

Normally I'd agree. Hell I'd even agree on the point where you could broaden the themes of the Lover and still make her overall place and theme in the setting fit, but against the tumblrite lites that were in that thread? Not even worth wasting your breath on.

So yea, fuck 'em.

>>50000393
>No, Deathknight is forced to kill stuffs, if they try to be nice the Resonance bitchslap them, meanwhile GSP has more freedom in doing things (Yozi can't control the Urge, just sets it up to do things automatically and there are charms to change that, or you can just act like cartoon villains and bleed off limits) and usually they can bitchslap Yozi back when they're strong enough
1e Abyssals mock your juvenile acts of cartoon villainy and slip the shackles of their Doom by changing the genre to Gothic Horror.

>>50007607
And we had this literally since 1e without it being preachy political bullshit and inviting a horde of degenerate mentally ill faggots that don't even play the game to /tg/ to shitpost about how good it is that the game's tone they don't even play is changing into a hamfisted parody of itself.

>>50010056
Anti-inclusionary crossburning just wasn't as popular when 1E was released. If it was, there's no doubt that people would be berserking about the "ham-fisted" racial diversity in the setting and the "mentally ill" gender equality in the world's largest empire, just like they're berserking now over the existence of transsexuals in the setting and fanbase, because apparently it makes the setting "a parody of itself".

>>50010156
Yeah right, people were fine with it in 2001 and the anime scene since the early 80s but magically started to hate it now and this is completely irrelevant from the fact that obnoxious inbred idiots hopped on the bandwagon a few years ago and begun to lobby to the equally assblasted company that took the IP and immediately begun to abuse it to cater to their delusional idiocy instead of the people that actually buy their books and use them.

I mean wow apparently having coloured characters is racist and non-hetero characters, transexuals and pro-female sexuality is sexist unless it involves current zeigeist tumblr transtrenders in which case its magically inclusive.

>>50010205
Exalted hasn't really done what you're talking about. I've got less but still some experience with nWoD, or I guess it should be called CoD now, and what you're talking about isn't really a big thing there, either.

>>50010401
Not him, but holy shit dude, yes it is. There's a lot of ham fisted tumblr shit in CofD. Just go look in the mage book and the other shit where they use Xir shit. Same with promethean. It's everywhere.

It's not like WoD where they just have a page about sexual identity and how most mages and vampires say "eh, why bother anymore". It's shoved down your throat.

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>>49958516
It's happened multiple times, you're probably talking about Evan Kane or Leonid Rogozov though

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>>50010440
So would you have a baby out your dick then?

>>50010437
Ctrl+f shows zero instances of 'xir' in Mage: the Awakening 2E.

>>50010496
He probably meant Mage 20 which is an astonishing clusterfuck. A book which is 80% the old books copy pasted together without regards to the system already in place, full of redundant overlaping skills, backgrounds, merits and what have you.

And some interesting lore choices next to eachother

>Brotherhood of Aether gets a name change because gender equality
>Sisterhood of whatever is perfectly fine and even more feminist.

The xír xer xar is here and there but its not that bad, unlike in Promethean 2e where its like a fourth of the book.

>Promethean is about alchemical human simulacrum wanting to become average people

>One is a russian transgendered sadomaso trap xír assassin/bodyguard who pines for hermaphroditic lover he can never have since he/she's dead.

I mean I get Promethean is all about finding yourself and change but seriously my niggas? Onyx Path what chu doing? How can you make something as fantastic as Demon the Descent but then make clusterfucks like Beast, Promethean and Mage20? It aint slick.

>>50010480
caesarian operation

>>50010401
>Exalted hasn't really done what you're talking about

Have PoC, gays and trannies in older editions? Because like 3/4rd of the iconics are either asian or black, the Empress is the largest cuntmuncher in the multiverse and one of the iconics is transexual for dragon-kings, lunars and a major dragonblood in 2e alone.

>>50011021
>Because like 3/4rd of the iconics are either asian or black
So? I mean, really, so what?

> the Empress is the largest cuntmuncher in the multiverse
The Empress has given birth to dozens of children, at least. She has had both official male consorts and less official male lovers. Also, again, so what?

>one of the iconics is transexual for dragon-kings
What? Are there even iconics for Dragon-Kings? Are there any canon Dragon-King characters?

> lunars
Transsexuality seems like a non-issue for shapeshifters like Lunars, both on an in-setting level and on a meta level.

>and a major dragonblood
Which Dragon-Blooded character is transsexual? I do not remember this.

>>50011188
I'm not surprised since you haven't seemed to have read anything apparently.

>>50011264
Yes, anon, it is I who hasn't read anything, not the person who appears to be basically making shit up. I hope the Dragon-Blooded you're talking about isn't either Ledal Kes or his wife, at the very least, because that would be a pretty retarded mistake.

>>50000676
Exalted is honest.

>>50011188
>The Empress has given birth to dozens of children, at least. She has had both official male consorts and less official male lovers. Also, again, so what?

Pretty sure it's stated somewhere that she vastly prefers female lovers and only has males out of duty to continue her line.

I want to marry the Scarlet Empress and make her stay loyal only to me, what should I do?

>>50013266
>I want to marry the Scarlet Empress
Well first you'd have to find her and impress her to such a degree tha-

> and make her stay loyal only to me, what should I do?
Impossible.

>>50013171
Nah, it is stated somewhere that she prefers female lovers, but 1E's Dragon-Blooded book also talks about male lovers the Empress took for personal and political reasons and showed some affection for. She's bisexual for sure, but not "the largest cuntmuncher in the multiverse", like one anon claimed, not by a long shot.

>>50013171
Sure, maybe. Got a citation on that? 'cause otherwise, yanno, talking otu of your asshole.

>>50013266

Ok, first: are you the Ebon Dragon?

If no, then first step: become the Ebon Dragon. Go talk to him and say you want to be him, I'm sure he'll be very interested and willing to help you out with that.

If yes, then you're probably golden, because I think think then if she cheated on you, the metaphysical convolutions involved in being the Ebon Dragon would mean that in so doing she would actually be being MORE loyal to you, in a subservience seen from the other side of a black mirror, which would of course be far superior to the false-true loyalty of the blinded.

It's pretty straightforward.

>>50005445
He didn't even blow up about it, Winson (the mod) banned him for making a joke with another poster after he acknowledged there was a problem.

It's still hilarious that they melted down over fiction in a roleplaying game while happily banning anyone who dared to complain about their beloved forums being run by a convicted child molester.

Any have link to Return of the Scarlet Empress?

>>50013533
Just chop her fucking ringfinger off that has the wedding ring, and undo the akuma binding since he broke his promise of marrying her, bam. Back to her old Dragonblood self.

>>50014105
SA has been in its twilight as much as 4chan has been for many a year now.

>>50015254
Nvm, i'm retarded.

>>50013533
so what you're saying is that NTR is a thinking man's fetish?

In order to prevent funny business the Guild has sent as negotiator a blind and deaf eunuch who communicates via a rhythmic series of taps.

Wat do?

>>50017056

Communicate by tap dancing

Is it possible to create a Guild of mortal monster hunter?

>>50013533
>Go talk to him and say you want to be him, I'm sure he'll be very interested and willing to help you out with that
He probably turns you into The Nigga Dragon instead

>>50018721
Is there a difference? Besides the ebonics I mean.

>>50010574

>Mage20

Ah ok, you deserved what you got then.

>>50013171

I mean if that were true House Nellens wouldn't exist. It's pretty clear that she's just bisexual.

>>50013266

To be fair, a high-level Solar Exalted could probably keep up with her. The problem is that at Essence 10, you'd be worlds ahead of your waifu.

>>50019049

A friend of mine gave me Mage20 to read.

20 pages in and I wondered WTF I was reading. I'd rather read Beast than that

>>50023046
Mage 20 is a rollercoasted of good, good, GOOD, then mind numbingly retarded shit that sours you on everything you wrote the past 40 pages. Repeat till end of the book.

Its the preachiest most ass blasted SJW shit I have ever read in my life outside of direct propaganda.

>>50021239
>The problem is that at Essence 10
>implying you can get up to Essence 10 without going insane or get rekt/dogpile

>>50013266
Become idiotically powerful and create a situation where she'll have to stay with you.

The hard part of course is building such a situation when she rules the strongest kingdom in the world.

Oh okay assuming a GSP gets thrown into a futuristic world, is it possible for him to activate LSD (for the sake of the story charms work like usual) to fake his real identity and appear to be normal human from bio scan machine?

>>50025602
Yes.

>>50023046
Compared to how Mage20 or Beast turned out, I feel a lot better about backing Ex3, long dev times and all.

>>50026069

>Compared to how Mage20 or Beast turned out

How did they turn out? I keep seeing them getting referenced, but only vaguely.

>>50026837
Beast is literally "Tumblrkin the tabletop rpg"

>>50027026

What about Mage20?