EDH/Commander General Rakdos Still Sucks Edition RESOURCES

>>49948825
Really hope that the black/white partner will work well with him.

>>49948848
The thought of combining any of the 15 partners with each other is pretty exciting.
Even if they might be rather low impact on their own, coming in parts and being modal like that sounds pretty strong for a commander.

>>49948825
Why couldn't she have just kept all counters on her in all zones? That would have made her interesting.

>>49948869
>new casual format
>shuffle all the partner commanders together
>draw two at random, make deck
>GO!

Inb4 infinite her+Skull briar "rate my list"

>>49948897
This could be fun,

Whats with people asking for stuff like a new legendary leviathan on blogatog or a RB vampire that steals thing like in this general? I keep seeing it all over the internet, do they just not know about the 4+ legendary leviathans or Olivia we already have? We need stuff we have not had not strictly better new versions of old legends.

>>49948945
I think a UG Legendary Leviathan Turtle (Someone asked for a Legendary Turtle on Blogatog) with Partner would be cool.

>>49948884
Because then that's just skullbriar.
At least this provides some utility towards your entire board.

>>49948897
That sounds fun as hell, shame that logistically it could be clunky.
Not really something you could just get together one night and just "do".

>>49948825
I hope the Grull Partner uses Devour or can become Monstrous.

>>49948884
It would make Experiment Kraaj have partner, I was hoping for that

>>49948960
I completely agree that would be kickass. But just in that last thread someone was complaining that the new BG legend does not have skullbriar's ability. Whats the point of that?

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Why

>>49949029
Wasn't Skullbriar banned because you could combo into infinite damage with it?

>>49949038
Its not ever been banned. http://mtgcommander.net/rules.php

>>49949037
Doesn't this work REALLY well with lifelink?

She'd be great in 4 player nonsense.

>>49949053
Yeah it is kind of like having double strike so it works well with lifelink and a couple of other ability. Works great with damage doubles and real double strike.

>>49949037
>double strike

gg

>>49949037
>Panharmonicon
>Mirror Gallery + some clone
>Choose everyone on the table

I mean its a bit shitty but I'll eventually pull this off.

Eventually.

>>49948825
G H A V E
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>>49949072
Please do this

>>49949072
Red and black clone effects are you planing on using? I can only think of a couple.

>>49948945
Innistrad sort of left a hole for RB vampires, with Olivia being the only real option. Those guys can probably wait a while though, since there are plenty of vampires by this point.

The Leviathans, Krakens, Octopi, and Fish on the other hand, do not serve as particularly great commanders.

>>49949037
>Choose player
>Attack same player
>Double strike
>Furnace of Rath
>Extra combats
lol

>>49949112
And that's not even counting the ways you can animate Aetherflux Reservoir and use it to kill two people.

The W/B legends could be something like the dead sister of Bruna, Sigarda and Gisela before Avacyn killed her. But I dont know what her partner would be that fits in her lore.

>>49949037
It's not fucking real, that's why.

>>49949137
>combat damage

>>49949163
Well shit. I take it you can't actually fire the reservoir during the combat phase, can you?

>>49949188
Thats not how magic works anon. Combat damage is what creatures do in the combat damage phase to other creatures and players based on there power.

>>49949037
>people replying as if this is real

it's clearly been made in magic cardsmith or something you fucks

>>49949204
Well now I just feel like an idiot.

>>49949224
I'm inclined to partially agree with you seeing as it doesn't show upon Mythicspoiler

>>49949224
this is what the card says though.

>>49949224
See you in a few days when this is the actual spoiled text! :^)

>>49949224
From the blurry photo we have, that looks correct. People are bitching because she's a Soldier, not a Warrior, but to be honest that's the blurriest part of the photo and I'm not sold on it. Her being a Warrior would just be more appropriate and thematic; the abilities on the other hand look spot on from what I can make out.

>>49949228
Don't the only way to learn magic is to
>Ask and learn by having people around you show you.
>Read the rulebook.
Most chose the first option. Just try and be a sponge.

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Stax voltron infect here I come! Now just to find all the silly things to proliferate.

>>49949163
Who here is gonna make some wedge decks with these partners? RUW desperately needed a general that wasn't completely build-around or utter garbage.

>>49949322
http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Search/Default.aspx?text=+[Proliferate]&color=+@([W]|[U]|[B]|[G])
http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Search/Default.aspx?text=+[Infect]&color=+@([W]|[U]|[B]|[G])
Have fun.

>>49949351
And this is before I even get into any other forms of countergivers.

>Slapping people's lands away with Lattice + creature Karn
THIS IS INCREDIBLE

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>>49949351
>mfw two infect edh decks

>>49949394
Someone should shoop a Phyrexian into this.

>>49948825
Not a fan of this one. A pretty dull, to be honest and while I understand the wonky wording, the payoff is fairly minuscule.

They've could've said "leaves the battlefield" and been done with it. Anyway, I wonder what the partner that cares about +1/+1 counters will be.

>>49949300
Agreed, I think its just that the current version of her is made in a card editor that is triggering people.

>>49949404
Leaves the battlefield goes bonkers with flickering.

What are some auto includes for GW human tribal/tokens?

>>49949420
Oh no, if I take a blue partner with this guy I can use Deadeye to give my a couple of things counters.

Plus, can't you do that anyway if you flicker this guy or your partner? Like Norin can go into command zone and still pop out.

>>49948825
Looks like I'm slamming you into Mazirek

>>49949455
Norin goes to the exile not the command zone.

>>49949439
Angel of Glory's Rise, I like Collective Blessing, Riders of Galvony is cute, new Bruna is good, new Sigarda, etc.

>>49949469
If he is your commander, you can choose to flicker him into Command Zone instead and he'll still come back. I remember gA confirmed that.

http://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/the-game/commander-edh/200290-blinking-and-your-general

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>>49949439
Coat of Arms

>>49949439
Gaea's/Glorious Anthem
Marshall's Anthem
Collective Blessing
Dolmen Gate

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Am I missing something? What is with this weird flying variation? Is it a reference to an old card or are they just being retarded?

>>49949502
>In related news, It That Betrays can steal a sacrificed commander that's been put in the command zone
SAY WHAT AGAIN?

>>49949536
It still was sacrificed. The replacement effect doesn't interact with the trigger in any way.

Read the cards, man.

>>49949322
I am legitimately excited for this card. I dont think it will be very good but it looks so fucking awesome

>>49949532
Do you mean flanking? It's an old keyword.

>>49949532
its just to fuck over token decks

>>49949536
Yep! CR903.9 allows you to move your Commander to the Command Zone instead of whatever not-battlefield zone it was going to, any time that it WOULD.

It That Betrays doesn't actually specify what zone it'll look for the sacrificed card in, which means that it's going to look in the very first public zone the card goes to (this is why it can pull a sacced creature out of exile if there's a Rest in Peace, but not if the card goes to exile, and then you hit it with a Necrogenesis)

By applying 903.9, the first public zone your sacced Commander goes to is the Command Zone... so that's exactly where ITB is going to look for it, and find it.

>>49949553
No, he means the second ability. The one that makes your little dudes unblockable by non-flying, non-reach dudes.

>>49949532
>What is with this weird flying variation?
It's not flying, if they were flying then they'd be able to block flyers.

>>49949553
No, I meant the stupid "creatures with power two or less have flying when attacking except not really hurrr" thing.

Reminds me of the "has hexproof if it entered the battlefield this turn", fine but cheating!

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>>49949544
Yeah it makes sense but I bet as soon as I try that play IRL people will bitch about it.

>>49949532
That's just green pseudo unblockability, like pic related.

>>49949546
What is your metric for "very good" if that isn't very good? Being immune to spot removal?

>>49949532
Green's had at least one creature with a similar evasive ability, Silhana Ledgewalker, and possibly others.

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>>49949560
Huh?

>>49949573
You could say "attacking creatures with power two or less have flying".

>>49949581
Yeah, I guess. It is symmetric though for some reason and that shit was always cheating.

>>49949609
>You could say "attacking creatures with power two or less have flying".
Then they would also get all the positives and negatives of various cards which fuck with flying.
Instead, it accurately represents how a Commander is capable of peerlessly directing small forces around enemy positions, so long as they do not have extended capacity for disrupting such manoeuvres (Reach), or can fly (Flying).

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>>49949600
>>49949609
If it was monogreen, it would make some sense, since green doesn't get flying, but white does. White even gets flying only on attack.

You could use the Kor Scythemaster wording to make it on offense only.

>>49949609
>Huh?
The majority of Tokens are 1/1s, Flanking attacking/blocking creatures without it -1/-1 when the creature with flanking blocks/attacks.

This means that Kondo can remove tokens without even trying.

>>49949579
TREEFOLK

DORAN

DORAN

RED ALERT.

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>>49949634
Sure, but dodging cards that affect flying just cause you feel wording it that way seems suspect.

Like printing a card that gives "can't be blocked if defending player controls an island" just to dodge Merfolk Assassin.

And don't pretend it is flavorful, what the fuck does a Giant Spider have that a Giant Scorpion doesn't when it comes to tactics of ground based troops.

>>49949674
Psuedo flying evasion is usually represented as staying up high on something. Spiders can crawl up things.

>>49949692
Okay. So, our flanking guy gives high ground (somehow, and not flying, no sir, can't have him magically give flight, that would be silly), not just to his troops but to everyone.

It isn't a flavor thing, I'm pretty sure. They just went full retard on the wording.

>>49949532
you know he makes your opponents small creatures unable to be blocked by each other, right? some edric style dickery

>>49948945
>do they just not know about the 4+ legendary leviathans or Olivia we already have?
Most likely not. While the avergae blogatog reader is far more enfranchised than the average MtG player, many of them have still not been playing for that many years and/or don't know that many older cards.

Partner commanders seem so meh. I wish there were more of them.

>>49949719
Except Edric doesn't trigger when they hit you. This guy is such a good general, he lets opposing armies troops of certain size walk by his.

>>49949740
what? no he doesn't. he only makes opponents creatures bad at blocking.

>>49949730
Then Wizards should just reprint some of the old ones in products like C16 with out taking up space for new cards.

>>49949753
Ah. Well, there ya go. That's why the wording is like that. The wording I suggested wouldn't work in that case. I was missing something.

Thanks for helping me with my autism.

>Chinaman cards stuck in customs for almost 2 weeks
>no idea where they are
Fuck

I wanted to make this deck

>>49949813
That's what you get for supporting black market illegal dealings anon

>>49949532
It's the sort of color break that we see all the time in Commander products. Now Maro will have to explain on his blog several times why it is a color break and how he could let it slip by and once again reassure people that the people working on Commander products will be taught what the color pie is and why it's important.

>>49949813
What site did you order from? I need to get me some fake duals because fuck Mark "kill the secondary market with inflation" Rosewater

>>49949839
it's not too much of a colour break really. Green has had the pseudo flying thing for a while and white is the colour that cares about small creatures

>>49948825
Oh sweet spicy fuck. This is going to replace Mazirek as my commander.

>>49949581
>That's just green pseudo unblockability
It's no longer part of green's color pie.

>>49949836
Supporting the money-grubbing secondary market is not much better
>>49949846
AliExpress

>>49949861
>they're still talking about the colour pie
Who cares? Eventually Maro will lose his job and the colour pie will do whatever it did before.

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>>49949859

>>49949904
The cunt needs to hang it up

>>49949904
Maro is a hack.
I especially hate that he thinks counterspells should only be blue. Unconditional counters should be in blue, with white getting tax effects and black getting "counter unless opponent does x". Red and green should get the most conditional, situational, or psuedo counters.

>>49949904
and? That doesn't stop the fact that pseudo flying clearly is still in green whether maro likes it or not

>>49949943
>every color should have counterspells
eat a bag of dicks

>>49949861
Orchard Spirit. I hate the cunt but even Mark "fuck green" Rosewater agrees >>49949904

>>49949966
Maro pls go

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>>49949943
>>49949943
>I especially hate that he thinks counterspells should only be blue
You're very bad at this.

>>49949994

He says right in that post that white shouldn't have counterspells.

Tax effects aren't counterspells.

>Meddling Mage
>"White can only stop spells if it's also blue"

CAN'T MAKE THIS SHIT UP!

>>49949943

naw dawg green needs more cards like Autumn's Veil

that's their niche

>>49949904
>>49949839
I really wish you guys left this in the last thread. And I'm the one who brought up the stupid wording.

Faux flying is retarded. Polymorphs are blue, even if EDH players think of them as more powerful removal than fight because graveyards matter more than battlefields. Hornet Queen is 6 flying bodies. Chaos Warp is an instant speed vindicate that very rarely backfires.

>>49949966
There's nothing wrong with other colours getting counters. People just splash blue explicitly for better counters and carddraw, I'm sure they could use hilarious counters in other colours.

Black Counter
>1BB
Pay two life, sacrifice a creature: Counter target spell unless your opponent pays life equal to twice the sacrificed creature's power.

Green Counter
>1GG
Counter target spell. Your opponent gets a 1/1 flying bird token and a 2/2 green bear token.

Red Counter
>1RR
Counter target spell unless your opponent sacrifices an artifact, or land.

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>>49950011
Nevermore. Meddling Mage is an ancient card.

>>49950025
The black counter is insanely bad.

>>49949836
I would rather support my communist comrades than pay a cent towards the dirty capitalist machine

>>49950011
He's saying white can't have hard counters. White can get cards like Mana Tithe.

>"White can only stop spells if it's also blue"
No. Nevermore.

>>49950034
I'd say more niche, but yes I put those together in 30 seconds to show Maro is an incompetent jerk. In reanimator colours, it's not as bad as you'd think, particularly if you wind up pumping something stupid. Power at a cost and whatnot.

>>49950025
Oh sure. We may as well give every color lifegain, card draw, direct damage and universal permanent removal while we're at it. Just flavor it.

RR Gain 8 life and deal 2 damage to target player.

4WB Target player gains 6 life, loses 4 life and draws 4 cards.

5RRBB Destroy each nonland permanent your opponents control.

Fuck you.

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When ~ enters the battlefield, create four 0/1? blue Thopter artifact creature tokens with Flying
Tap Symbol, sacrifice two artifacts: choose one –
Breya, Etherium Shaper deals 4 damage to target player
Target creature gets -4/-4 until end of turn
You gain 4 life.

>>49949971
>Mark "fuck green" Rosewater
You mean Mark "Not blue? Fuck you!" Rosewater

>>49950071
holy crap fella stop speculating on blurry shit, be patient for a few fucking days and see the real thing

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>>49950071
Legendary Creature – Human Berserker

Vigilance, Haste

When Saskia the Unyielding enters the battlefield, target a player.
Whenever a creature you control deals combat damage to a player, it deals that much damage to the targeted player.

3/4

>>49950049
Mana Tithe is a bad example, since it's Planar Chaos.

I think he means white shouldn't have counters, at all, even the soft ones; their way of stopping spells is with Nevermore effects and tax effects like Thalia making the spell too expensive to cast.

>>49950066
>this incredibly assblasted idiot
Every colour but red has life gain? Every colour but white has reliable card draw, and I'm pretty sure blue just got reasonable removal. I understand that you're trying to make me look ridiculous, but honestly, none of those are that unreasonable, other than the first one, but if you swapped it to gain 2 life and deal 2 damage, it'd be fine. In Garruk's Wake is 7BB for a onesided board wipe.

>>49950056
Black is my favorite color so forgive me if I dwell on this, but it is my opinion that paying life and losing two cards is sufficient cost for a hard counter outside blue. A deck that is capable of producing a fatty large enough to make the opponent think twice about attempting to fizzle the spell either does not want countermagic or is some kind of edh deck. /sperg

>>49950080
Literally getting these off of Magic/Mythic spoiler.

>>49950071
Ewww. I hope that's not close.

Why do people insist nonblue colors should get counterspells? Different colors handle things in different ways.

Are you gonna whine that every color should have access to efficient spot removal like Black does? Or efficient wraths like white? Are you going to hem and haw that black and red can't destroy enchantments, or that blue needs artifact removal?

Colors have strengths and weaknesses. If every color could do everything, there'd be no point to colors.

>>49950095
>Mana Tithe is a bad example, since it's Planar Chaos.
So was Prodigal Pyromancer. Not all Planeshifted cards were shifted out of color.

>>49950025
>white counter
Color shifted mana leak, printed as often as mana leak
>blue counter
Cancel (or counterspell)
>black counter
Dash hopes
>red counter
>XRRR
Counter target spell woth converted mana cost X or less. ~ deals X damage to that spell's controller.
>green counter
Colorshifted Swan Song. Printed once in a time spiral.

>>49950121
It's because at least two colours do everything else, but only blue gets to stop game winning instants and sorceries. Also, blue can do everything already.

>>49950066
Maro, PLS GO

>>49950066

>It's a "Blue should get to do everything but every other color should be strictly regimented" episode

Maro pls go

>>49950101
Eh, there are some fuckhuge cost effective things. In a non-edh format, the watershed is probably 2 or 3 power. Really, taking 6 damage not to have a spell countered is a bad deal, depending on how powerful the spell is.

I was theory crafting it for EDH, where Desecration Demon is a thing. Imagine sac'ing Lupine Prototype and recuring it on the cheap. No one is going to eat 10 damage to avoid a spell being countered, and you throw in a become immense while it's on the stack. I'd run it, but I'm some weird Timmy/Johnny hybrid.

>>49950137
Green has a ton of counter spells.

>>49950137
That's actually really graceful. Well done anon, much better than whatever I was thinking.

>implying Green isnt stronger than Blue in Commander right now

>>49950135
Yes, but saying "This one card was more in-color when shifted!" = "any of them could be more in-color when shifted!" is false equivalence.

>>49950179
As a green player, no. I run 3 decks with blue, and 3 decks with green. Blue is the only monocoloured deck I have for a reason.

>>49950149
Only blue can stop them REACTIVELY. White can ban them with Nevermore effects, or use taxes to delay/stop them. Red can copy/re-aim the spell. I'll give you that green and black lack a lot of ways to deal with it, but black and red can't touch enchantments.

Also, blue can't "do everything". It's a very strong color, but there's a reason it's often paired with white or black for control decks: blue lacks the ability to meaningfully interact with permanents once they resolve beyond "Bounce it and try to counter it"

>>49950066
>RR
No attempt was made
>4WB
Now maybe target opponent gains 6, you lose 4 (or 6 for symmetry) and draw four would be ok.
>5RRBB
In Garruk's Wake is 7BB and is just creatures and walkers, so this would need to be higher. Red can destroy everything (see Obliterate) and black likes unfair destruction so maybe 7RRBB?

>>49950179
Only on mono. UG is strong as fuck because U has ridiculous shit and helps protection the giant G creatures.

>>49950171
Two.

Green has two.

>>49950179
What are the teir 1 mono color commanders?

>>49950206

>(see Obliterate)

You mean that card that explicitly doesn't destroy Enchantments?

>>49950203
Green used to be the color of Hexproof and Black can sac his shit or repurpose it for other stuff before the spell affects it.

>>49950098
I know they are reasonable, asshat, that's why I made them. Power level isn't fucking the problem. And yes, In Garruk's Wake exist, but it doesn't fucking kill enchantments.

It is easy to just give every color everything. Piss easy. And then every deck can do the same thing, in the same ways and the differences in color become flavor only.

Look, I get this is an EDH general. I love EDH. And I understand how frustrating Curse of the Swine seems to an EDH player when you are building a RW deck and don't fucking have any proper mass exile spot removal.

But I love MTG's color pie. I love that Red's answer to enchantments is to kill the opponent. I love that White may get Elite Vanguard and Thalia, but will run out of cards because they have to draw one card a turn. I love that Blue may be able to exile the Chandra's Phoenix and Young Pyromancer but end up dying to pigs. I love that colors have to answer things differently. Remember, MTG's color pie is strongest in 60 card casual where you don't have inflated life totals or years of design mistakes.

You could print Concentrate in every color and no formats would change because Concentrate is very meh, but it would set a precedent and it would fundamentally alter the course of the game.

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What are some other spicy meatballs for Kaervek? I feel like he'd need some forms of protection other than greaves so he doesn't get bounced back as soon as he's played

>>49950211
>>49950179
As a supplemental color, I think white is the strongest, followed by green, then blue, then black.

White gives you a LOT of specific hate cards, excellent spot removal, the most efficient mass removal, good utility dudes AND finishers, as well as artifact/enchantment hate. They've said before that they won't ever give white GOOD card draw because it can already deal with every card type so well that having weak draw is an intentional weakness.

Green trades white's spot removal and mass removal for ramp (which is really good in Commander) and even more cost-effective ass-wrecking.

Blue has... counterspells and draw, as a supplemental color. There's a few outstanding cards like Cyclonic Rift, but generally you're going into blue so that you can stop big spells, or draw more cards.

>>49950224
Sorry I meant Apocalypse.

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>>49950185
Are you this stupid for real? Mana Tithe is in color because Maro says it's in color. Prodigal Pyromancer was only brought up because you tried to argue againts it by saying that it was first printed as a planeshifted card in Planar Chaos.

>>49950246
>Protection suite
Greaves, Swiftfoot Boots, Champion's Helm, maybe Whispersilk Cloak and General's Kabuto.

>>49950263
Maro also contradicts himself constantly.

And I still say that argument stands. The VAST majority of colorshifts were "We could make an argument for this being in THIS color instead", but it wouldn't be standard. Some of them do fit well enough to see print in 'normal' sets, yes (Mesa Enchantress is another), but most of them don't.

>>49950203
Where were you when blue got mass creature exile?

>>49950162
Not that guy but I wouldn't think twice about paying 10 life to counter a counter spell.

>>49950160
>>49950156
The only things people complain about blue getting since the inception of Modern as a format is Polymorph effects whose drawback is significant in real formats and Protection, which they've since phased out.

You know what Standard threads are like? People complaining that Green gets better card selection than Blue because of Nissa's Oath and Collective Company.

>>49950246
Wheel cards and Megrim/Caress are pretty good too.

>>49950242
>You could print Concentrate in every color and no formats would change because Concentrate is very meh
They already did? Harmonize is a thing I run in every green deck. I get that you like the colour pie, but counterspells shouldn't be so segmented, and it's silly that they are. Everything else can be compensated for, except paying 2 mana to squish a 5cmc spell before it hits the field. Only blue gets to do that, and that's what I think is full of nonsense. If the other colours recieved counters that were less efficient, or noticeably more janky, people would still run blue just for the counterspells.

>>49950276
The one that leaves your opponent with a full board unless it is EDH and the targets happened to be thirty fatties with dies triggers?

>>49950276
>Blue got one shitty off-color spell so now that's in its color pie forever

>>49950283
But see, that's the point. It's actually a choice people would make with clear cut positives and negatives.

>>49950284
To be fair, that's because the majority of blue's good card selection is from the old days and they are intentionally underpowering/overcosting new blue draw to keep from adding to that dumpster fire in Legacy.

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>>49950212

>>49950263
God he's an idiot

>>49950301
>Blue got one shitty off-color spell so now that's in its color pie forever
This is exactly how MaRo thinks

>>49950294
Harmonize is one card, not 4. And you really think counterspells are that fundamental in "real" MTG?

In EDH, powerful instant or sorceries are particularly strong because they have no board presence (which matters in large multiplayer games) and because you have time to get mana for them.

EDH being multiplayer is also why so many creatures need to be ETB or have dies on them.

So, I understand that in EDH there is a clamoring for counterspells in other colors because it answers over-the-top instants or sorceries AND ETB/dies creatures in a way that normal removal doesn't.

But that's a flaw with EDH, not the color pie.

>>49950307
I'm spike, my man. A choice is never something I want to give my opponent. It's the kind of thing that would lose me the game in humiliating fashion.

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>>49950301
Yes

>>49950327
Yes, that's one of them. That, and Avoid Fate.

>>49950275
>Maro also contradicts himself constantly.
I have shown you several instances of him saying that white can have soft counterspells (taxing and delaying) though it doesn't get them often. You have shown exactly zero instances of him contradicting this position, yet you try to argue that he's against all non-blue counterspells.

>And I still say that argument stands
Motherfucker, I just explained to you why it was a completely nonsense non sequitur response on your part. No, it doesn't stand because it had nothing at all to do with the response chain leading up to it.

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Well at least it's a sorcery.

OH WAIT QUICKEN EXISTS

>>49950353
>Your argument doesn't count because I decided that while it's completely correct it's not relevant

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>>49950351

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>>49950350
Do you complain about this card too? No?

So your complaint is only to do with power level in your pet format, not actually a fundamental disagreement on design philosophy?

>>49950301
Dude, blue has had polymorph effects for ages.

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Whelp

>>49950373
I have two of those, one in foil.
Why'd I have to do that with such a shit card.

>>49950370
That's not a counterspell.

>>49950360
Completely reasonable. I will fucking fight anyone who says otherwise.

Oh look, blue gets everything, weh, weh, except white's destroys things and this just lets people get extra ETBs.

>>49950345
Fair enough, I'm a jank-master and I love things that have difficult choices, like Killing Wave and Magister of Worth. Nothing funnier than watching an opponent go:
>"Well, I could sacrifice my board and keep my life, but then your Mazirek is going to get 14 +1/+1 counters and swing, so if I want to stay in the game, I have to carefully balance how much life to how many things I'm sacrificing"

>>49950370
That's not a counterspell

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Best white hard counter.

>>49950121
Because some colors have glaring downsides that unlike the downsides from other colors are real issues.

Not being able to deal with Enchantments isn't a real issue. Enchantments decks are rarely a thing and usually they are not a threat by itself, so this downside can be heavly mitigated by spot removal and lifegain.

Not having acess to Card Draw is a real issue. It's pretty much a death sentence in the late game.

Not having acess to Flying creatures isn't an issue. As you have many forms of removal in form of creatures and spells that target flying creatures specifically.

Not having acess to spot removal isn't a real issue. That is even a false statement considering that things like Reality Shift exists.

>>49950390
Oh, it's reasonable, because it's a shittier Cyclonic Rift.

>>49950384
I like her. I don't get why you guys don't.

>>49950384
That's some bullshit. Please tell me you can't pick the same player and have the effect stack...

>>49950360
Nice art, nice effect and possibly playable in my Mizzix. Liked it.

>>49950384
Can you double the choice with that one artifact?

Why are all these commanders girls

Why do all their names end with a

>>49950373
My complaint is blue shouldn't have creature exile. So yes that should be there either.

>>49950395
As >>49950340 said, EDH is basically the only place where the inability to directly counter a "game ending" instant or sorcery is a weakness. That's a fault of the format, not of the game.

>>49950398
It cost less than Cyclonic Rift
With 3 opponents, the cost reduction compensate for the sorcery speed

>>49950404
The choice? No, because it's not a trigger, it's a replacement effect.

>>49950422
Oh, thank fuck. gA you're a hero.

>>49950395
Real spot removal doesn't left a guy in play. Real games don't go on for 60 turns and need card draw out the ass. These are not issues with the color pie, it is an issue with EDH and bending the color pie for EDH is not the correct solution.

>>49950384
>give it double strike
>quad damage
We Quake now

>>49950384
>every single color for Warriors
>is a Soldier
It's like they're trying to disappoint people

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>>49950427
And her buddy

>>49950420
It also hits YOUR stuff.

So it's a Cyclonic Rift that can't be used as a spot-bounce in a pinch, can't be used as a reaction, hits all of your own stuff... but at least it's cheaper if you're playing it while you still have 3 opponents!

Oh wait, that card already exists. It's called Devastation Tide, Crush of Tentacles, and Kederekt Leviathan.

>>49950427
>4 mana for a 2/2 trample

>>49949707
What are you even going on about?

Why would he give flying?

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how to build a strong deck with the new waifu

>>49950427
They do seem to be intentionally bumping the costs up by 1 for partner.

I like the card though. I'd honestly prefer haste over trample, but that's just me.

>>49950443
>>49950443
More like:
>4 mana for 20 1/1 tokens the second Xenagos or Gratuitous Violence hits the field

>>49950362
You're argument is invalid on account of being illogical and retarded.

>>49950440
I'd actually consider running that by itself, probably the first partner I think is decent.

>>49950427
Not bad. Might run it in Wort.

>>49950384
Could I just take my Uril deck and add some damage doublers and just shift the whole thing over to her? Voltron looks good!

>>49950427
nice, putting this in my mizzix

>>49950451
>You have to pay 2 mana and sacrifice two artifacts
Fuck that, I'm just going to continue with Reaper King ignoring green.

>>49950410
Doesn't matter.

New product is printed every year. There are a finite number of name combinations. Conservation of design space.

>>49950427
Shit is she eating the Thallid? Savage.

>>49950458
Hey how about Kydene or the artificer guy?

Also she's one of the Fates from Theros right?

>>49950451
>sac TWO artifacts
At least it doesn't need to tap.

>>49950451
For the colors. All those effects are awful.

>>49950427
>tuna, bloodshower

>>49950451
I'll buy it

>>49950444
Because he fucking gives a variation of flying? Do you not read?

"Creatures with power 2 or less have flying as long as they are attacking your opponents".

Anyway, who cares. We've moved on.

>>49950440
Neat

>>49950451

>Sacrifice TWO artifacts

Fuck me that's terrible.

You should at least be able to pick two of the effects.

>>49950451
>>49950440
>>49950427
These are all so fucking disappointing

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>>49948848
Don't want to run the GW partner because it's black, so I have B/W, that too turns out to be black, great...

>>49950509
>>49950478
>>49950473
>Not being able to have a ton of Thopters by the time you can cast her

>>49950515
>I want muh $35 precon decks to have some broken stupid shit so i can jack off to my """""""" competitive """"""" commander group.

Im happy with them being so flavorful and letting us build the commanders however we want, the format is about fun, not about broken shit.

>>49950509
OR maybe create a number of tokens equal to the mana spent to cast her, a la Prossh. Then it would make sense to sac her to her own ability.

>>49950528
>Paying 2 mana and sacrificing 2 creatures to kill an X/4 is good

>>49950515
Good. Four/five color anything makes me want to puke.

>>49950535
Wizards shill pls go.

>>49950509
Can't you just sac Blightsteel Colossi to get around this?

>>49950515
the orzhov one is pretty good actually. card draw commanders are always really good because then you're less likely to be fucked by shit draws and stuff. perhaps this commander will finally make zulaport cutthroat not shit. definitely going into my mizzix

>>49950535
Where did I say I'm upset they aren't broken?

I'm upset they aren't fucking -good-. I'll give you that the Phyrexian Angel Waifu is interesting because she's reasonably costed, and her colors (and Proliferate) lend themselves well to several playstyles, or you can just go apeshit Voltron with her.

I'm not upset the other cards aren't broken, I'm upset that they're actively shittier than existing cards.

>>49950427
Feels like she should cost 1RG

>>49950451
>2: 3, 4 or 5
Can't decide if that's clever or bad design.

>>49950521
>GW
>Black
u wot m8

>>49950545
>Paying 2 mana to kill an X/4 isn't good
>Considering Thopters anything more than spells/block fodder

>>49950535
I just want an interesting commander that I can build around. Not a 4/4 with mediocre abilities that cost way too much or a 4c baneslayer angel. Saskia's alright I guess.

>>49950564
>Zulaport cutthroat
It specifically only works off of combat damage. You're probably only drawing 1 or 2 cards a turn off of her, at most. Better than nothing, sure, but it's not like B/x decks were hurting for card draw.

>>49950584
>Paying 2 mana and sacrificing 2 artifacts to kill one creature is good
You've only got 2 Thopters to work with. So either you're sacrificing ACTUAL artifacts for her dogshit ability, or you're using other spells to make fodder for her to throw at things.

Why not use that fodder to activate Attrition? Or replace shitty fodder-making spells with actual goddamned removal?

>>49950586
b/w tokens deck benefit a fuck ton from her.

>>49949224
Have you ever been seen someone so wrong in all their life?

>>49950601
How? Attacking 3 different players with a swarm of tokens, hoping at least one gets through on each of them, and then drawing 3 more?

Again, BLACK DOES NOT NEED HELP DRAWING CARDS. I would rather cast a Phyrexian Arena on turn 3 than this chick, because I'm pretty fucking sure that it'll draw me more cards than she will.

>>49950601
I just realized she draws from the number of opponents damaged; so just 3, 4 at most. Kinda underwhelming.

>>49950427
Little underwhelming. Like >>49950462
Said I will be putting her in my Wort deck

For partners, Sidar Kondo gets a potential buddy for a Naya tokens deck.

>>49950599
>Or replace shitty fodder-making spells with actual goddamned removal?
Because it's fun

>>49950599
They are probably going to print some good token producers.

>Rebecca Guay basic lands
OK, I'm sold.

>>49950633
Or

Or

Or

I could just run good cards

>>49950634
n e a t
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>>49950634
>>Rebecca Guay basic lands
Where ? When ?
How much ?

>>49950648
Or you could play for fun and stop being a little bitch.

>>49950360
It's arguably a worse Cyclonic Rift: It's a Sorcery, Hits your stuff as well, Can't be used for a panic 'this thing needs to be bounced'. The only thing it has going for it is it's cheaper.

>>49950654
http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/feature/basic-lands-commander-2016-edition-2016-10-25

>>49950468
How?

Man these lands look nice.

>>49950088
How much money do you want to bet this will be a lesbian card?

>>49950648
Why run good cards when you can run fun cards ?

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>>49950521
You should consider some proxies, anon.
Because they run very well together.

>>49950634
Wait, really? Please?

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All hail Rebecca Guay
All hail best Swamp

>>49950656
They will never print assymetric mass bounce again, this one at least can be cast for as cheap as U in the right deck. Mizzix will sure as hell use it.

>>49950659
>dat Kev Walker mountain
>dat Guay plains
MY DIIIIICK

>>49950655
If I have to jump through fifteen hoops to make my shitty commander actually work (not 'win', not 'be good', but just 'function')

I would play Rakdos

>>49950694
Go to Modern generals, it's a better place for people like you

>>49950708
I actually like playing goofy decks.

I just don't like when Wizards clearly hashed out these Commanders before fucking lunch on Day 1 of design and said "DONE"

>>49950659
>dem Kev Walker lands
Fuck yes. Kev is my favorite.

Also wow, when was the last time Guay did new art for the game?

>>49950659
>We will never be able to get Full Art lands with these art.

I sometimes fucking hate the fact that lands can only be Full Art in very specific sets, it sucks that such beautiful art is wasted with a big fucking box of useless text over it.

Is there any place where i can get Proxy Full Art lands using any art i want_

>>49950659
>They all capture the old-timey feel of old Magic lands
>Mark Poole has a shooting star in each of his set.

Little things

>>49950720
EMA FoW I think

>>49950659
>http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/feature/basic-lands-commander-2016-edition-2016-10-25
Those are some of the nicest basics I've seen since Unhinged/Unglued.

>>49950689
I came.

>>49950674
Don't use the F word anon.

>>49949532
HORSEMANSHIP

>>49950689
>foil never ever

>>49950743
TFW someone answer to two unrelated messages by you
Thanks for the double (you)

>>49950735
That was Terese.

>>49950735
Wasn't that Nielson?

>>49950437
And she has art and an ability that screams "WARRIOR" as well.

What the fuck guys.

Command Tower and Commander's Sphere confirmed. Shrug, everyone could have seen that.

>>49950689
only thing im looking forward to get, its a shame the "new" card frame is just ugly as shit

>>49950755
>>49950754
Oh right my bad

>>49950726
>the shooting star thing
Shit that's lovely. Sucks about not being full art like >>49950723 said tho', or at least a different frame.

>>49950720
NEW art? The Serra Angel from FTV: Angels.

Before that?

Eventide.

>>49950763
Thanks tips, we knew that yesterday.

>>49950659
I want to eat Kevs lands. They look delicious.

>>49950735
That was Terese Nielsen. I think it's been a really long time since Guay did a piece.

I miss RKF too ;__;

>>49950770
You're welcome

>The basics are more exciting than the commanders
I'm not even mad, these lands are beautiful.

What plane is Tymna from?

>>49950794
probs theros homie

>>49950794
Theros, she's one of the three Fates I think.

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>Human Soldier
>Soldier
>Not Warrior
We could have had it all

>>49950794
Theros.

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《Crystalline Crawler》 (4)

Converge; Crystalline Crawler enters the battlefield with a +1/+1 counter on it for each color of mana spent to cast it.

Remove a +1/+1 counter from Crystalline Crawler:Add one mana of any color to your mana pool.

(T):Put a +1/+1 counter on Crystalline Crawler

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>>49950769
>Lorwyn-Shadowmoor was the last time Richard Kane-Ferguson, Drew Tucker, Ron Spencer and Rebecca Guay did art for a Standard-legal set

>>49950811
Those biceps look comical attached to that dainty head.

>>49950817
oh hello.
I like you a lot.

>>49950817
Neat. Probably in the proliferate deck.

>>49950515
>paying life for cards on a 1:1 ratio with no mana cost is bad

>>49950817
>Can't break it for ALL THE MANA
Flavor fail or mechanic win ?

>>49950817
get in my cromat deck

>>49950817
Mega fun times with Ghave

>>49950817
Oh look, another infinite mana combo piece.

>>49950811
why would warrior matter?

>>49950811
I'll still probably get this one unless Ludevic really impresses me.

>>49949546
>Not very good
>Flying, deathtouch, vigilance, life link
>Shits out counters
That ability could be broken as fuck, especially in a 1v1 with some planeswalkers on the field.
Hell, why not play some vanish for the lulz? Sounds a bit dumb, but might as well work.
Also great synergy with hardened scales. Maybe I'm gonna try Abzan with blue splash, cause fuck you, I want counters.

>>49950853
Tribal.
She's in every color that Warriors are in. She looks like a damn Warrior. And yet she's a Soldier. Bigtime flavor fail.

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>>49950659
>ywn have those swamps in foil

>>49950828
She was so beautiful, anon. She could have been perfect.
>>49950853
Warrior Tribal
>>49950864
I'm getting this one as well as the Breya and Atraxa. I'll just use Conspiracy to change her creature type. Still, it won't be the same.

>>49950853
Flavor and tribal matters. Warrior is kind of underrepresented for the most part unlike soldiers who are in nearly every set.

>>49950839
Having to enable it through the crucible of combat negates this.

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I wanna do votron with her but what is the black for? Just card draw and tutor? Seems lame...

>>49950821
Jesus, it's really been that long? Fuck. I really miss the prevalence of more stylized art. Guys like Seb McKinnon and Nils Hamm are nice but they are definite outliers now

>>49950877
We can't let warriors be good. Being labeled a coward is super feel bad.

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>>49950901
Black was for warrior, but it seems wizards dropped the ball.

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>it's not tap

I like it. Get infinite mana and a thopter generator on the field and win.

>>49950901
Wound reflection, erebos so they can't gain life.

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>>49950901
this to kill 2 players or give her infect.

>>49950926
>Get infinite mana.

If you had Infinite Mana you would have won anyways.

>zedruu reprint
GUYS, THERE'S A CHANCE THE ORIGINAL COMMANDER SET PRIMARY COMMANDERS ALL GET REPRINTS.

>>49950901
If using panharmonicon can you choose the same player twice and have her trigger twice on the second ability?

New thread over here when ready

>>49950929

>>49950945
Infinite mana by itself doesn't win you the game. You need something to win with it.

>>49950926
>infinite mana and a thopter generator on the field
And suddenly you don't need your commander.

>>49950926
>that glorious feel when you made a janky 4 color thopter tribal/voltron deck 2 weeks before commander 16 was 4 color
>the commander in those colors makes thopters

>>49950945
Ashnod Altar + Ghave =/= instant win
Still need something to put all that mana in.

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>>49950916

>>49950969
*2 weeks before they announced commander 2016 would be 4 color

>>49950935
>>49950941
Word!

>>49950957
No idea im bad at ruling it seems like a maybe?

>>49949247
http://mythicspoiler.com/c16/cards/saskiatheunyielding.html

She looks awesome as fuck. Tempted to play a Tokens/evasion approach. Failing that you could just do Voltron.

>>49950971
>Ghave
>Ashnod Altar
>????
>Profit!
How does this work I dont see it.

>>49950821
I think that block was also the last time RKF and Spencer ever did art for the game at all. Maybe Tucker too.

Does Mark Tedin still do pieces?

>>49950980
HA! Now those cowards cant block you Norrin!
Norrin... where are you?

>>49951003
Sorry, forgot to include primal vigor/doubling season

>>49950926
>No green to generate clues with Tireless tracker or play creatures with Briarbridge Patrol
At least you can play a bit blue clues and tamiyo's journal I guess

I'm really glad that this new commander set is sticking with its sub theme of human tribal

>>49951013
>Does Mark Tedin still do pieces
On occasion but I suspect they're drawing from a backlog of pieces rather than commissioning new work.

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>>49949836
Better Red than Jew

>>49950046
And that is why you will forever be a loser.

>>49951106
>Paying $60 american dollarydoos for a single Snapcaster mage instead of paying the chinaman to get you a playset of Snapcaster mages, Shocklands, Goblin Guides, Thoughtseize, Old Fetches. All for the same money.

The secondary market is fucking retarded, and as long as you use your china cards for personal use its perfectly fine.

I mean, come the fuck on, its fucking cardboard, and if my lgs was a bit more open minded we would all have been playing with Proxies all the way, but getting chinaman proxies will do and no one will ever know they are chinaman proxies.

So enjoy giving $240 american dollarydoos for 4 fucking pieces of cardboard.

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Reprints from Fifth Dawn

>>49950839
>Paying life for cards on a 1:1 ratio with no mana cost is bad
It is when you have to connect with creatures to enable it, the effect is on the most fragile permanent type in the game, it maxes out at 3 if you're lucky (and if you're able to attack all 3 of your opponents every turn without worrying about the crack-back, you're already winning), and it gets worse as the game goes on.

>>49950963
>and a thopter generator
If you have infinite mana and infinite 1/1 artifact creatures, you should not need a shitty Goblin Bombardment to win the game.

>>49951210
Fuck's sake, has that not been reprinted enough?

At least it wasn't Profane Command for the sixth fucking time.

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>>49950034

>>49951267
That card is also bad.

>>49951193
I want commie to die.

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OG commander reprints confirmed

>>49951296
My problem isn't with people buying proxies, per se. I think it's a bit childish to feel that "wanting a card" entitles you to have it for next-to-nothing, but whatever; EDH isn't tournament magic, and I'd rather have more people to play with than fewer.

My problem is when those fakes get traded as real.

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HAPPENING

>>49951322
To the surprise of literal actual no one

>>49950402
What do you mean pick the same player?

>>49951477
My guess is either they thought the effect was a trigger you could double with Panharmonicon/Strionic Resonator, or they wanted to use Mirror Gallery + a red copy effect.

>>49950495
Why would a dude in a horse give flying, moron?

>>49950451
This card is gonna replace sharum as the go to artifact combo commamder. Access to welder, daretti, scrap mastery, bosh, hellkite tyrant, and feldon is huge and those are just the ones that come to mind first

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>>49951654
>gonna replace sharuum
How? This doesn't combo worth shit, so you'd just be building Esper Combo Artifacts, but also with a handful of red artifact cards. If you want access to those red combos, just build Grixis Artifacts.

The whole point of using Sharuum is that she turns a 3 piece combo into a 2 piece because you always have access to the third: Your commander. The new chick doesn't combo well.

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This shit right here. I love it. Fuck you two, screw up each others turns.

>>49951836
that's incredible

Holy shit Breya is soooooo busted.

>>49951836
This is beautiful.

>>49951836
Holy shit I might have to splash black into my R/U Chaos Deck just for cards like this