EDH/Commander General

File: 636128996408820966.png (117KB, 200x279px) Image search: [Google]

117KB, 200x279px

Show of hands, who saw this and started making a Superfriends deck (or tweaking the one you already had)?

>>49940805
I'm sticking with Queen Marchesa for my planeswalker deck. Only because I have a loyalty boner towards Obliterate.

Friend is considering Atraxa over Angus Superfriends.

>>49940805
I'm thinking of taking apart my sigarda fatties deck and putting all the fat fliers in with good bodies and etb because I don't get enough swinging sensation from kaalia or prossh

>>49940832
Yeah, you lose out on all the the Chandras (which is what, two, maybe three worth playing?), Dak, Ral, Sharkon, and Nicols with this new girl.

>>49940805
My superfriends deck is RBW Marchesa and I would feel bad taking to apart, even for Bigfoot.

>>49940805
Not sure if I should throw in an Azor's Elocutors or not.

I think my friends would hate if I did.

File: assaultigneoushorn.jpg (39KB, 265x370px) Image search: [Google]

39KB, 265x370px

"Assault Cinder Horn"
4R
Creature - Ox Elemental
Haste

At the beginning of the end step of each player, if no creature attacked this turn, put a fury counter on "Assault Cinder Horn." Then "Assault Cinder Horn" deals damage to that player equal the number of fury counters on it.
4/2


one of the best red creatures ever, if it doesn't die.

against Oloro and other control decks you get to utterly burn the fuck out of them.

File: 00.-Shin-Megami-Tensei-IV-Apocalypse-Cover_.jpg (136KB, 800x450px) Image search: [Google]

136KB, 800x450px

>>49940984
>getting past 9 stacks, I'm the control player.

just fucking kill me.

>>49940887
And RW Nahiri for Doubling Season Rocket Launcher Action

>>49940984
It's crap. It takes a complete go around to do anything impactful and at that time it's attempting to hit you for 10.

>>49940984
>Elemental boi
Dis is muh boi Ox, his mix tape is strait up fire!

>>49938608

>You won't see any other game devs comment on fan designs, as that can easily lead to legal headaches when they do print something similar.

No, that's not even remotely right.

That's a myth, like how companies like Nintendo say they HAVE to take down fan-projects because if they don't it might "weaken their copyright" despite that being literally the OPPOSITE of how that works.

It's a complete fiction that is used by WoTC to defend not taking user feedback or considering community ideas.

>>49940832
I run angus superfriends. His ability has come in handy countless times, I'd be hard-pressed to switch him out.

>>49940984
>Elemental Boi

the age of memes is still not over

Can anyone help me with my Mazirek deck? I tried retooling things, but I feel like I just don't get the creature support that I need as quickly as I need it. I know I have a huge boner for big fatties, but I think I need to retool things in order to have better board presence, and to rely less on Mazirek doing fancy things to win the game.

Cards I can`t acquire for various reasons:
>Dictate of Erebos (none in my shop, they've ordered me one in)
>Sol Ring (I have 3, this deck ramps the hardest so I see the least need)
>Mortician Beetle/Urborg Justice/pox/small pox (on order, probably longer than a month before I get them
>Fetch Lands (don't have the budget)

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/dragula-2/

>>49941255
>Coming in a commander thread during spoiler season to talk about his deck

Where do you think you are?

>>49941273
Spoilers already happened anon, I doubt there's going to be a giant influx of late night ones. I waited through 500+ posts of the last thread before I posted it.

File: kalitas.png (168KB, 265x370px) Image search: [Google]

168KB, 265x370px

So been running a Bant +1/+1 counters deck. Switching to new angel chick gives me access to black, so it opens me up to the stuff that showed up in Khans and RtR. Though all I really saw was corpsejack menace and maybe this dude. Anyone have any other black cards that might fit in?

>>49941301
EVERYTHING'S GETTING SPOILED THIS WEEK!

>>49941319
all black Planeswalkers.

Both creature Ob Nixilis.

>>49941255
Creakwood Liege?

>>49940984
Yeah I'm sure an Oloro player will have a huge problem dealing with this thing before it becomes something approaching a real threat to him.

>>49941334
Well, I guess I'll fuck off and go back to separating basic lands by set, type, and art.

>>49941365
That was actually supposed to be on the list. Hmm, I'll see what I can cut. Thanks anon!

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/s-h-a-r-p-d-r-e-s-s-e-d-m-a-n/

If anyone has suggestions on neat auras I didn't think of, lemme hear em.

>>49941468
Off the top of my head it looks pretty loaded.

Does xmage support the Nephilim?

File: 300px-Muscle_wizard.jpg (34KB, 300x445px) Image search: [Google]

34KB, 300x445px

>>49940775
>pic
Cool, I wanted to post this anyway.
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/cruisin-for-a-bruse-in/
How'd I do? It was a pretty quick build, so it's probably not perfect, but still, I think it looks rad as fuck.

>>49940984
>This
>Peacekeeper

Finally a good RW combo.

>>49941504
That's not a word I expected to be used for it, since I am physically incapable of building good decks

>>49941565

That combo sucks, try resto Angel Kiki jiki

>>49940775
>RW partner is useless

Its appropriate

I can't imagine what a fucking nightmare it's going to be, building decent 4-color mana bases. I can barely do 3-color.

>>49941724
Just build a two-color deck with two more splash colors. You can rely on one commander being easily cast and supported, then bring out the other once your mana is online. In that way, 4-color might be easier to play than 3-color.

File: i disagree.png (2MB, 2560x1440px) Image search: [Google]

2MB, 2560x1440px

>>49941724
Just use the Tolorian Professor's "perfect" mana fixing and you'll be fine

>>49941683
There should be a second RW partner spoiled soon if I understood the articles correctly. Maybe that one generates CA.

File: 1475565492807.jpg (59KB, 504x439px) Image search: [Google]

59KB, 504x439px

>>49941974
>it just has an activated ability for doublestrike, if you discard a card

>>49940805
not I.

>>49940775
Partner
>(You can have two Commanders
Oooh, nice
>if they both have partner.)
>Looks at partner options so far
So this kinda sucks in practice so far, huh?

>>49942014
I really wonder if it would've been too strong if you could have 2 Commanders as long as ONE of them has Partner.

>>49941855
>Manalith
AHAHAHAHAHA HOLY SHIT

Anyone hate the partners? It feels like such a cop out. "We couldn't think of 10 more four color legends, so here's a bunch of bland two color legends you can staple together, just like a CCG thread!"

>>49942024
It absolutely would have been.

>>49940775
I'm really sad that Wario is awful.

File: 134.jpg (54KB, 312x445px) Image search: [Google]

54KB, 312x445px

>>49941855
>Darksteel Relic
>a mana rock
dis nigga retarded

>>49942024
Yes.

>>49942045

All i want is a legendary creature without some fucking gimmick stapled on it. No Experience counters, no Planeswalkers, just a normal legendary that isn't a stereotype of their colors.

>>49942048
Bruse isn't awful by any means. He's a hell of a lot better than the other Boros Ally Legendary.

>>49942052
I'm fairly certain he meant darksteel ingot

>>49942014
You also get gipped on the deck size as well, using partner commanders reduces deck size to 98

>>49942078

he is worse than True Conviction by almost every measure. Being better than dogshit doesn't mean he is good.

>>49942032
It's shit, but it makes all colors of mana so it's something.

>>49942094
Deck thinning

>>49940805
Does infect count as superfriends? I am sure I will make tons of friends with infect.

>>49942072
Then wait for regular sets.

>>49941255
Play Meren and put him in the 99. Mazirek just isn't very good.

>>49940775
>his partner will be that animal and I fucking love it

>>49942132
If you want to thin a deck you use fetches, card draw, or mill. Claiming partner helps with deck thinning itself is retarded

>>49942099
He costs two less, is a creature on his own, and... Is actually playable as a commander.

I'm not certain if you are just stupid, or obtuse. I'll assume stupidity.

>>49942149
To be fair, they started out fine. The original 15 (20?) Legendaries from Commander 2011 were interesting and weren't just stupid gimmicks (Hell, some of them even work as one of the 99 in other decks). Then they did 2013 where half of the things had abilities that ONLY functioned as a Commander. Then 2014 had the Planeswalkers. Last year had Experience. Now we have Partner.

Like... I'm all for using design space, but it feels like they don't know how to make an interesting Commander without using stupid gimmicks as a crutch.

I need to stop building red holy shit

>>49942174
It is though.

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/confrontation/

29 cuts to make, you're my last hope /tg/

>>49941855
Talking about this guy, there's any good magic youtuber?

>>49942175
Ok, well you can play a shitty boros commander and get blown out by any other deck on the table. I'll go play something that doesn't suck.

do we know the decklists yet? have we seen anything from the non-white deck?

>>49942196
Travis Woo

>>49942182
the only red worth building is artifacts and control

>>49942202
I mean, it's Boros. What Boros commander is actually good?
Gisela?

>>49942045
I think it's fine. Each 4-color combo has 3 different combinations possible from the partners. I really don't see how adding some modularity is a detriment.
>>49942094
Smaller deck size is a positive.
>>49942072
>just a normal legendary that isn't a stereotype of their colors.
The problem with this is that people will bitch about color pie if all 4 aren't equally represented.

>>49942223

full deck lists probably won't be up until later next week.

>>49942229
Not just mono-red. All of my decks contain red. I need to branch out, I might try Rafiq since I like making one guy fuckhuge, or Ghave for being the mayor of Combo City

>>49942166
no, thats a yoked ox, Bruse was a on many creatures flavor text but he had quite a few Yoked ox variants.

>>49942223
We do not have decklists. We will in... a week? Two?

File: ladies love fat asses.jpg (141KB, 1000x625px) Image search: [Google]

141KB, 1000x625px

>>49942188
>>49942250
Not him but explain to me why deck thinning is good? Do you purposefully fill your deck with shit cards to make a smaller? What is the reasoning?

>>49942329
to get to the goodies quickly

>>49942357
So why not just put goodstuff in in the first place instead of having mostly shit with a handful of goodies?

>>49942269
I have the same problem with green.

>>49942329
The actual concept of deck thinning is sound- lands are frequently "dead draws" (especially as the game goes later), so trimming them out increases your chance of getting gas instead of dead draws.

The problem is, mathematically speaking you have to pop a LOT of fucking fetches, and let the game go fairly long, before you really see any mathematically visible increase.

>>49942381
not everything is equally good

>>49941319
Mother
Fucking
Mazirek

>>49942381
>>49942329
You can't be this retarded. Stop thinking "shit cards", start thinking "shittier cards".
>cut the worst card from your 99
>your deck is now overall better and more consistent (yes it's by a small amount, but in no way are you getting "gipped")
Whether or not these partner commanders are actually worth it is another question entirely, but deck thinning is objectively a good thing.

>>49942396
It's mathematically irrelevant in real formats

It's really irrelevant in EDH

>>49942431
Yeah. On the one hand, games absolutely go longer... but decks are also 60% bigger.

>>49942430
The question is not about the partner commanders reducing deck size, its about why would you run crappy cards when you have the good ones?

>>49942527
No, read my fucking post again. There are no crappy cards in the running. We don't consider crappy cards. There are worse/better cards. If the format had a minimum deck size of 40 cards, the best decks would run 40, not 100.

>>49942045
the idea is really solid, but it seems like there were way too many fingers in the pie considering how fucking bland most of them came out to be.

>>49942390
Yeah but at least mono-green is actually good. Mono-red is kinda bad in anything but artifacts

File: 1477192936527.jpg (42KB, 434x461px) Image search: [Google]

42KB, 434x461px

>>49942625
>Stop thinking "shit cards" think shittier cards

You are saying you purposely run shit cards. And don't call me a retard you fucking asswipe

>>49942045
I like the idea... if it gets more support. Not having enough partners will probably be crippling for the effect. But I like the idea of being able to cast one "aspect" of my commander when I need to without waiting for the other "aspect".

File: hai big.png (62KB, 203x176px) Image search: [Google]

62KB, 203x176px

>playan Shu Yun
>annihilate the Wanderer lolchaos and Nekusar lodsadraw players within the first few turns
>fucking tight match between me and Odric 1.0 for the rest of the game
Those fucking tokens, man. Jesus.

>>49942701
It's impossible to run a deck with 100 cards that are all equally good, how fucking stupid can you be.

File: 1477354957092.png (952KB, 1000x1000px) Image search: [Google]

952KB, 1000x1000px

Some of these are kinda readable at least.

>Was trying to build Queen Marchesa
>Now lost all interest in it since the preview came out

Sorry baby, the queen is dead.

File: 1476392407541.gif (439KB, 640x360px) Image search: [Google]

439KB, 640x360px

>>49942701
Standard and Modern do not have a maximum decksize (outside of the no-assistance shuffling clause). The reason everyone runs 60 card decks is not that there are only 40-35 good nonland cards in their color combination, it's that smaller decks are consistent decks. One card smaller is not much help, but it's not a detriment.

>You are saying you purposely run shit cards
You are honestly one of the thickest people I've ever come across here.

>And don't call me a retard you fucking asswipe
Are you an actual one? Because that's the impression we're getting.

How2Ghave

I want to take the train to combo town

Each deck has a 4 color commander and two "partner" two color commanders as the new ones? Or is there a fourth new commander as well?

File: zP2tJ6yQY4_EN.png (178KB, 265x370px) Image search: [Google]

178KB, 265x370px

Ah, yes, Doran has a new friend.

>>49942824
It bugs me that 3 of those 4 titles are [verb] [noun] and the other is not

>>49942825
She's loads of fun.

>>49942845
you honestly don't need much help with that. throw in cards that care about +1/+1 counters, and chances are you'll combo out by accident.

>>49942859
I think it's:

1 is 4 Colour.

1 Allied Partner

2 Enemy Partners

I think I saw something about 3 colour with activated ability costs but I might be high

>>49942859
4 color commander
Ally colored partner
2 enemy colored partners
For a total of 4 commanders.

>>49942867
Don't be so bigoted, it's 2016.

the 2 commander thing is cool and all but it seems really gimmicky. i guess since you can mix and match it will make comboing them an option but with only a few cards capable of doing it i think its pretty meh

>>49942828
And you're a dumbass. That's the impression I get from you

>>49942867
The 5th one is Stalwart Unity, so at least it's not alone. Also Open Hostilities can be either Verb or Pronoun.

>>49942945
I think it's very elegant.

File: 1470148661496.jpg (13KB, 480x360px) Image search: [Google]

13KB, 480x360px

>have like six decks planned out
>can't decide which to build first

HELP

>>49942867
Incite Entropy
>>49942952
Sow Unity

just some ideas

>>49942945

I like it, but it will get very stale if they don't get new cards with Partner every few years to mix and match.

>>49942845

Ghave + A-way to turn tokens into mana + B-way to break symmetry of tokens and counters = infinite

>List of A:
Ashnod's Altar
Phyrexian Altar
Earthcraft
Cryptolith rite + Concordant crossroads
Amulet of vigor + perilous forays + mirari's wake

>list of B
Cathar's crusade
Doubling season/primal vigor
Young wolf/vorapede/Geralf's messenger
Parallel lives

And the last thing you want is a way to leverage the infinite stuff

Blood artist/zulaport cutthroat
Concordant crossroads
Bitter ordeal

And also you want stuff that is powerfully synergistic when your opponents can remove just enough combo pieces to prevent you from going infinite

Aura shards
Grave pact
Attrition
Sadistic hypnotist
Glare of subdual

What makes Ghave great is not that it's particularly EASY to go infinite, most of his combos are 3-4 pieces, compared to say Azami + mind over matter, what makes him great is how redundant the combos are, any one combo piece can die and that's fine because no single piece is necessary to go off

Also he's in great colors for tutoring combos, he has the black tutors which are indispensable, especially Diabolic intent, and he also has white stuff like academy rector and enlightened tutor, and he can get any creature he wants too

You can also run extra combos that don't need Ghave like kitchen finks + archangel of thune + sac outlet, or mikaeus + triskelion, if you like, just to be extra redundant on combos, but I think it's probably best to just pick our favorite combos and fill the deck with tutors and token makers and interaction instead

>>49942867
it's the only one that's not black.
Bad copy paste card names are part of black color identity

>>49942945
I agree with Wizards that it's probably the better solution to the 4c problem but in execution they'll fuck it up so bad that it would've been much better had they just done it the traditional way.

As it is now not a single one of the stupid partners synergize with another.

File: stalwart.png (229KB, 686x488px) Image search: [Google]

229KB, 686x488px

>>49942946
Oh my, how new are you? If you make stupid posts here, people will call you stupid. If you can't handle that, this is not the place for you. This isn't even an abrasive board in comparison to others.
>>49943031
sauce? I was going by the wotc site

>>49943013
Also part of me knows that I really should focus in on having 2 or 3 good decks instead of having a bunch of shit spread across like half a dozen mediocre decks

>>49943089
Nope I just know you're a fucking idiot who got proven wrong and in a futile attempt to save face you proceed to call me a retard. Face it fuckface you got your ass told now sit down so the big boys can talk

>>49943133
Not him but if you seriously think deck thinning is a myth or whatever is passing between your ears you need to kill yourself.

File: 1477164267060m.jpg (67KB, 1024x683px) Image search: [Google]

67KB, 1024x683px

>>49943158
>Not him

Nice try though

File: Screenshot from 2016-10-24 21-11-23.png (199KB, 963x724px) Image search: [Google]

199KB, 963x724px

>>49943192
Die.

Keep finding too many good cards for WUBR Waifu.
Help.
Is 42 Lands+Rocks Okay?

>>49943287
Way more than enough dude.

>>49943217
Good photshop skills, now run along.

>>49943314
>done in 20 seconds
Damn I'm good.

>>49942792
SHU YUN SHU YUN SHU YUN SHU YUN SHU YUN SHU YUN SHU YUN SHU YUN SHU YUN SHU YUN SHU YUN SHU YUN SHU YUN SHU YUN SHU YUN

>>49943287
Seems steep, I'd go more rocks and less lands just for some sweet MLD/stax action. Sun Titan grabs lands from the yard, and Green recovers fast anyway.
>>49943217
>>49943158
Thanks, but I gave up on real discourse here >>49943133

>>49943373
I wasn't in the conversation at that point so it's odd that I joined in by replying to a post after that.

>>49943287

40-45 Mana sources are usually enough. Especially if you got some ramp.

>>49943356
What about him? He's fun.

Are you referencing memes?

>really hype for spoilers
>realize I have no money to buy cards, no friends who play, and no desire to actually go out and play with strangers
>quietly weep
>rinse and repeat next spoiler season

kill me

>>49943133
Listen friendo there's no reason to get so upset and use such harsh words on the internet. Doing that just makes you seem even less credible. I'm not that anon, in fact i haven't even posted in the thread at all yet. But i'm going to explain to you why having a thinner deck is better real quick. Say you're in a bad situation and REALLY need a boardwipe to turn things around. Would you rather have a 1 in 2 chance or a 1 in 10 chance of drawing one? Obviously you want the better odds. The same is true when the difference is even smaller. Only having 98 cards in your deck is better because then there's a higher chance you get what you need, even if its tiny. Its the reason that control decks run so many cantrips. Cheap spells that replace themselves are effectively ways to play the game with a deck that's smaller. Think of it like a delicious steak. Cutting off the fat and gristle leaves you with less steak overall, but better steak quality because of it.

TL;DR - better fractions means better decks

>>49940805
I just saw this and I'm now trying to figure out how to add black to this
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/guw-counterssuperfriends/

I thought I was free. Why do this to me?

>>49943309
>>49943373
>>49943397

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/breya-etherium-shaper-3/

Welp, here's my first draft.
Artifact Sac/Recursion with spellbombs as fodder to draw cards.
Wincons include the Sharuum/Metamorph Loop or Sac'ing My field to Metalwork Colossus or something while i have Marionette MAster or Disiple of the vault.

File: Built.png (589KB, 986x576px) Image search: [Google]

589KB, 986x576px

POST EM

>>49943450
Have you tried teaching friends? If you get them started with precons it's normally easier.

File: WIP.png (815KB, 952x826px) Image search: [Google]

815KB, 952x826px

>>49943489

>Get Sorin Markov'd to 10 life in a game, nobody cares
>next game play a tree of peredition and target the player that had markov
>everyone jumps on me being unfair

You make think this is a blatant lie like other green texts but it isn't.

>>49943511

2/10 lie

See me after class

>>49942190
>>49942190
>>49942190
>>49942190
>>49942190

>>49943490

I've got my boyfriend into kitchen table games with SOI and Kaladesh, but he refuses to play anything but U/W and doesn't want to mix sets. I want him to see all the fun there is in the game!

>>49943511
The politics game is a fine art. If you bring a grudge from a previous game, people will notice.

>>49943498
>>49943489
JUST BUILD SIMIC GOODSTUFF ALREADY, GA

So will there be Mardu Commanders in the 2016 decks?

>>49943545
I DISMANTLED IT BECAUSE IT WASN'T FUN

I considered building Snake Tribal, but that didn't really look very fun either,

>>49943543
Its a grudge to tree of peredition someone because they are winning the game to where reducing their life sets them back?

>>49943511
I can believe this. It's because as a planeswalker he's "Supposed to be powerful" so no one cares when he does some bullshit like that.

>>49943536
Hopefully over time you manage to get him playing and remember even if you never get to play at least you have a boyfriend.

File: 635201278772468483.jpg (208KB, 265x370px) Image search: [Google]

208KB, 265x370px

>>49943089

These guys in the flesh?

>>49943566
No you dingus

>>49943586
Can't wait to get me some gay rulers with nothing but half naked humans for creatures.

>>49943566
Directly? No. There will be a few different Partner combinations that give you Mardu, though. There'll be 5 Allied and 10 Enemy 2 color Partners (one rare, one mythic per deck). So assuming it's 2 of each enemy pair, your options are the BR + one of the WB, or the BR + one of the RW. So, 6 total possible ones?

>>49943566

Doesn't look like it

There haven't been any 3 color commanders spoiled

That said you'll definitely be able to do the 2 commander thing with red white + black white, or black white + black red, or red white + red black

>>49943566
Technically, yes, with the partner system. You get to choose one combination of:
>BR Goblin + RW1 / RW2
>BR Goblin + BW1 / BW2
>RW 1/2 + BW 1/2

Note that there is only one allied color Partner per pairing, so only one BR Commander.

>>49943572
If you were targeting them because they had a good board position, that's not a grudge, and it's fine.

If you were targeting them because you were bootyblasted that they Sorin'd you last game, it's a grudge.

Is it safe to houserule that the red samurai bros and the meld angels can be partners?

>>49943566
Gee its like they aren't making partner commanders that are dual colors and there is a chance to make mardu from all the possibilities.

>>49943630
Probably?

>>49943630
I'd allow it

Safe to say a new commander will be reveled every day till Friday? Pretty difficult to read the grainy text in the leak.

>>49943624
So according to this post as long as you don't markov/tree someone for no reason, its ok?

>>49943666
yes, Satan
that's what they're gonna do

>>49943133
>you must be over 18 to browse this site

>>49943630
that sounds pretty cool honestly

>>49943411
yes you caught me

>>49943684
If you just pick someone because it doesn't really matter WHO, everyone's at roughly the same threat level, etc, you're fine.

If you target someone because they are an obvious threat, that's fine.

If you're targeting someone because you're mad at something they did in a previous game, you're a petulant child and should be mocked.

>>49943666
Well we got the angel.
Breya(WUBR) and Saskia (WBRG) are legible enough.

WUBR
Breya, Etherium Shaper
Artifact Creature-Something
ETB Create two 1/1 Thopters
TAP, SAC ARTIFACT:Choose One:
-Deal 4 to player
-target creature gets -0/-4 until EOT
-Gain 5 life
6/4

Someone else probably has Saskia somewhere. i only saved the info on Breya because thats who im building.

File: I enjoy red.jpg (1MB, 2360x684px) Image search: [Google]

1MB, 2360x684px

>>49943489

So if it's true that Yissan or w/e gets to cascade a spell each time it deals combat damage, what would be some good spells to cascade into?

please give me some Tarkir lore to chew on in this shit, WotC

I need it

>>49943684
No, as long as you're good at politics, you can get away with anything. Even if Treeing him was the play, if it was perceived as grudgey, they'll call it unfair. Honestly just verbalize your thought process for big plays that might make you enemies. Even if you have to make up shit "I'm worried about your board, but HIS board can be massive soon, then again your life is huge so I'll come in at you" It can all be bullshit, but if you just clam up and declare nothing but your game actions, you're not going to make friends.

All that said, some people are dumb and I feel bad for you son.

>>49943754

theres no fuckin way breya is a 4 mana 6/4, and there's even less reason a 4 mana 6/4 would have a tap ability

>>49943755
「 A B O Y N A M E D S U E 」
「 I N T H E A I R T O N I G H T 」
「 D A N C E M A G I C D A N C E 」
「 P O W E R H O U S E 」
「 I F O U G H T T H E L A W 」

please let the there be a good BR commander please let there be a good BR commander please let the there be a good BR commander please let there be a good BR commander

>>49943630
That was my thought also.

File: 1471626834260.gif (494KB, 500x259px) Image search: [Google]

494KB, 500x259px

>>49943755
>3 Valakuts

File: 11098.png (48KB, 268x227px) Image search: [Google]

48KB, 268x227px

>>49943796
>4 different colors of mana
>As easy to get as 4 of the same color of mana
>As easy to get as 1 specific type of mana and 3 generic mana

>>49943757

any spell that doesnt have some sort of timing restriction is good to cascade into so no counterspells, no narrow removal spells, and you should be fine

>>49943796
Nigga i copied it from someone else on here i dont give a fuck about the P/T, i just wanna know the damn abilities.

She's Probably a 4/4 or some shit who gives a fuck.

>lmao 2 commanders
>literally no synergy with each other
>boros man is STILL just a beater
meh

>>49943825
>Valakut
>Vesuva
>Thespian's Stage

>>49943825
Vesuva works, but I don't know what the third one is, since you can't activate Thespian's Stage in time.

>>49943826

i never said that im just saying there's no fucking way its a 4 mana 6/4

just because it would harder to cast doesnt make it any more likely that it would have randomly absurd combat stats for a card thats meant to be tapped every turn anyway

>>49943630
I'd let it happen, sure. Neither of those decks are gonna be OP so why not, right?

>>49943837
nigga u wot
Flankman and Moustache synergize extremely well. Besides, we haven't seen all the pardner commanders

>>49943825
>Cast/conspire Harrow for Vesuva and Thespian's Stage
>have both become copies of Valakut
>Cast/conspire Boundless Realms for every Mountain in the deck
>blow motherfuckers up

>>49942825

>have Marchesa Superfriends
>literally no reason to keep playing it

Fuck I hate 4 color so much.

>>49943854
I'm so glad that people are calling them that.

>>49943855
Fuck, not Harrow, Crop Rotation

Why do I always confuse those

>>49943855
Harrow only fetches basics retard.

>>49943846
>In time
What? Just activate it whenever and then play a bunch of mountains. Valakut isn't legendary.

>>49941468
>Unquestioned Authority
My brother from another mother. Not sure it's necessary when you'll be getting Steel of the Godhead but I like it. I like the list!

Copy Enchantment, Propaganda, Ghostly Prison, Greater Auramancy, Seal of Doom, Seal of Cleansing, Seal of Removal? Maybe some Umbras with Totem Armor to help dodge bad things? Maybe Flickerform too.

>>49943873
Look above your post

>>49943854
The problem is, Moustache is literally a shittier True Conviction.

>>49943498
gA you shit why don't you put up judge thread anymore
i missed funposting at you

>>49942792
>>49943356
How do I make a One Punch Man deck?

>>49943825
Thespian Stage and Vesuva are pretty good Valakuts too desu


On another note, this guy has two ways of playing (I would run him with the UR partner commander just for blue, but maybe the GU one as well, not sure yet)

Either affinity artifacts (Overseer for 7, Conduit of Ruin for 6 into Mycosynth Golem for 11 which makes your other artifacts easier to cast as well, and general affinity shenanigans)
Or spellslinger with alternative cost/reduce cost cards like Miracles, Delve, Suspend, Force of Will-esque cards, etc.

Either way, this guy won my heart because he is a mini reverse Kaervek who was my first EDH general, so I have a soft spot for him.

Which way would you build him /tg/?

File: primetime.png (138KB, 223x311px) Image search: [Google]

138KB, 223x311px

hey guys do you think i could convince 4 friends, 5 acquintances, 7 lgs regulars and 10 subway passersby to allow me to play this guy as my commander?

>>49943893
We were less than 30 seconds apart, I didn't even see his before I posted.

File: 636129091629442413.png (147KB, 223x311px) Image search: [Google]

147KB, 223x311px

>>49943916
Probably help if I added an image...

>>49943886
The general idea is to put something like Defang on Zur with the first swing and emphasize that it's not some bullshit combo deck, and I'm not gonna just put Vanishing on him and troll everyone. I cheat out Auras for grins (detrimental ones to put on their creatures, or maybe beneficial ones to put on their creatures to convince them to beat on each other). Then I'll beef Zur up a bit and pop the Defang effect and start wrecking face.

I originally wanted to avoid the Propaganda effects because I have a Bant Enchantress deck that's almost all global enchants (including the obvious pillowfort ones), so I wanted to avoid too much overlap with this, but I think if I just keep it at those two it'll be okay. Seals are probably a good call, and there's that one that gives my Auras Totem Armor (but that can backfire with me putting them on other stuff)

Thank you for the suggestions.

>>49943815
A good BR commander was already spoiled anon.

There is nothing stopping you from building a partner deck that is really a hybrid-focused deck in disguise. For example, you can build BR vial smasher, but use your partner's color identity to allow spicy stuff like sunforger, or alesha who smiles at death.

The partner thing is really elegant in a way because it makes splashing a color super easy. You can build a two-color deck and treat your partner as an opportunistic reward for splashing a third color. Didn't draw a white source? Whatever, you're a BR deck. Drew a white source? That's fine too. The opportunity cost of the partner mechanic is super low and it allows you to play hybrid cards and cards that have goofy off-color activations.

>>49943922

no

>>49943902

>>49932048
Literally up right now, friend!

>>49943922
>6cmc, no protection, only 1 ETB ability
Seems fair. If anyone loses against that they're shit

>>49943916
>>49943927
>guy
>him
>guy
>he
>him
>him
Vial Smasher is a girl.

File: babbysfirstwincon.jpg (92KB, 600x278px) Image search: [Google]

92KB, 600x278px

>>49943909
le roleplaying gruul barbarian god

or maybe godo

>>49943815

if you mean just BR and no other colors, then that commander has already been spoiled, its not good

>>49943923
Maybe don't be so quick to go for the throat on an error

We're all friends here

>>49943964
i assumed there would be another partner in BR colors

>>49943947
S-sorry for misgendering my new fav general, pal
>privilege checked

>>49943980
Nope. We get 5 total Allied (so one for each color pair) and 10 total Enemy. That means we've already seen the Rakdos one.

>>49943980
Each deck gets 1 allied-color partner and 2 enemy-colored partners. The non-blue deck will have 2 rakdos partners

Of course you can still experiment with other decks' partners

>>49943994
>2 enemy partners
>2 Rakdos partners
Rakdos is allied color, not enemy.

>>49943931
Oh yeah, that sounds interesting but it might only be sneaky once or twice and then it's all guns blazing as team not-Zur tackles the enchanter anyways.

>>49944016
That's why I put Diplomatic Immunity on him a few turns before I go for the kill!

I'm not expecting the deck to be remotely good, but I got three promo Zurs, so I felt like I should at least TRY to build a Zur deck. The problem is, a 'typical' Zur deck is very much not my style.

I may stop trying to force the Aura thing so hard and just have him fetch goofy enchantments altogether, with an emphasis on Auras.

>>49944014
Oh yeah, thanks senpai

Don't drink and type, kids

>>49943990
Peeps are really underestimating these commanders for some reason.

Not every commander has to be on the Prossh/narset level. I would actually rather their ilk stay aberrations and that players continue to get neat new "fair" options.

Vial smasher is only three mana with an adequate body. He doesn't require any extra love to function but if you really want some synergy, you can use flash/instant cards in order to get the trigger during other player's turns. The partner mechanic should make it super easy to pick up a third color that is conducive to this game plan.

>>49943909
Cheap buffs and some cantrips

>Shu Yun
>Reckless Charge
>Flashback Reckless Charge
>pay for the double strike
>someone ded

>>49943610
I only count five possible combinations?

Maths huh.

>>49943755
Lemme see dat Gwafa. Sounds like a riot.

Also how much would a good Edric deck cost?

>>49943933
the thing is that i don't like going to three colors. i feel like decks become boring and lacking in identity when you incorporate a third color. to me, all the two-color combinations have a theme to them. rakdos is rampant destruction. gruul is primeval rage. orzhov is elegant order and death. etc. but then stuff like mardu is just... mongolians. abzan? jund? since a tri-color deck tends to do just about everything, it just feels hollow and meaningless to me. i think it's fun to play stuff like monoblack and win by focusing on what black does well, rather than what it doesn't. i think it's boring to have an answer for everything.

also mana fixing is a fucking bother both in gameplay and deckbuilding, and also a huge unnecessary money sink

>>49944076
BR+WB1
BR+WB2
BR+RW1
BR+RW2
RW1+WB1
RW1+WB2
RW2+WB1
RW2+WB2

>>49944102
>>49944102
>also mana fixing is a fucking bother both in gameplay and deckbuilding, and also a huge unnecessary money sink
This. I'm pretty glad I don't play with a high-power group, because I'd end up dumping so much money into mana bases if I wanted to keep up.

>>49943487
>42 lands was too much
> I know, I'll go to 31
Jesus dude.

Also I don't really understand how you intend to win.

File: avatar-of-slaughter-29611.jpg (136KB, 298x431px) Image search: [Google]

136KB, 298x431px

Redpill me on this fucker, /tg/. Any nice interactions with him?

Took apart all my decks in preparation for really hyper-focusing on the 3 I want to build and make really good, and now I got a bunch of shit to sell off. Where would be the best place to sell?

I also have a SHITLOAD of bulk from past fat packs/boxes when I first got into MTG a few years ago, would stores take that on the cheap?

>>49944134
Yeah, hard removal. Because an 8/8 for 8 on red just asks for it.

>>49943927

Ir doesn't trigger itself, does it?

If you cast your partner commander with it on the field, does the Commander tax counts as mana cost?

>>49943970
Fuck you faggot I love you too.

>>49944134
Play him in Main Phase 1 as a shitty 8CMC Furnace and hope no one survives to punish the life out of you.

>>49944062
Personally my problem isn't that they aren't on the Narset/Prossh level, but that only a couple of them really seem... unique. Or good. And it feels like a lot of the 105 combinations they're so proud of will match up with the level of "synergy" of "Your little dudes are hard to block" and "whenever your opponent casts 2 spells in a turn you draw a card".

>>49944134
Fuck tricks, just kill people! Works great with damage doublers!

>>49944134
Kazuul
Magnetic Web
Tapping down all their mana with shit like War's Toll or Mana Web

>>49944102
The problem is you're assigning "identity" to the color combination instead of to what you want the deck to do. I could build several Gruul decks that work differently, several of which aren't just "Primeval rage".

>>49944114
Oh, yup. Those enemy colours are throwing me.

>>49944134
Gisela and control really helps.

Or cut it for a Gratuitous Violence.

>>49944062
>>Vial smasher is only three mana with an adequate body. He doesn't require any extra love to function but if you really want some synergy, you can use flash/instant cards in order to get the trigger during other player's turns. The partner mechanic should make it super easy to pick up a third color that is conducive to this game plan.

random burn is usually useless though. it doesn't help you ramp, establish board presence, protect you, kill threats or do anything of any relevance whatsoever. it just puts someones life from 40 to 35. life is just a meaningless number until it hits 0. if your gameplan is to just burn through 120 HP in fucking rakdos colors then you're going to get owned 9/10 times

rakdos just needs a good reanimator/recur commander. it already has decent 99 options for reanimation. haste, looter effects, mass resurrection, good fatties, CAULDRON DANCE etc.

>>49944151
Doubt it. Big stores that actually buy bulk pay something like an eighth of a penny per card for bulk orders, and those are the ones with online portals and storage space to HOLD two hundred copies of some chaff common until someone wants to pay 25 cents for one. A local store might TAKE it for a donations box, but they almost certainly won't buy.

>>49944158
>It doesn't trigger itself, does it?
I dunno genius, is it simultaneously on the battlefield to trigger and on the stack as a spell?

>>49944214
Damn. So I just use them as kindling this winter? What about the cards actually worth something?

>>49944102
The idea is to not fully go into three or four colors. You can have a very clear focus on the flavor and mechanics of Rakdos. Instead, you run just a few things like darksteel ingot and very basic low-cost color sources.

Think of it this way, you're a plain and simple two-color deck that sometimes has a sidekick show up. Also you don't get cheated out of playing cards with hybrid mana costs and off-color symbols. A card like brutal hordechief would be awesome in BR, but it's a small glitch in the commander rules that you're not allowed to play cards that even have a trace of another color. Partner lets you get around that.

I know how you feel about mana bases. I often can't be bothered to put together fetshock mana bases for three color decks, but I'm hyped for the deckbuilding possibilities of partnering. I already have cards like coalition relic, commander's sphere, and command tower in my two-color decks, so the extra commander is practically free. That, and now I get to play cards like dismember in a UG deck.

>>49944234
If the cards actually have value of more than like a dollar, expect to get no more than 60% of that value in cash.

If they're bulk, just expect to donate them or toss them.

File: Ruric-Thar-c--the-Unbowed.jpg (28KB, 234x320px) Image search: [Google]

28KB, 234x320px

>>49944177
regardless of what you might think, most dual-color gruul cards are explicitly about barbarians, angry beasts and MUH GRUUL HONOR. you can't deny that gruul has more of an identity than fucking sultai or whatever

>>49944134
Zurgo deck maybe?

>>49944252
Sheesh sounds like I might be SOL

File: Bruse Charles.png (198KB, 266x371px) Image search: [Google]

198KB, 266x371px

All I could think of when I saw Bruse this morning

>>49944258
It lends itself well to that THEME, yes.

The problem is you're forcing yourself to only ever see a color combination through the lens of a theme, instead of what it can actually do. You don't see an immediate flavorful theme for Sultai (because 3 colors is more 'complex' thematically than 2), so you decide it's too hard to build.

File: commanders.png (6MB, 2400x3152px) Image search: [Google]

6MB, 2400x3152px

>>49943489
Building Atraxa next. It will probably be more +1/+1 counter shenanigans than superfriends.

>>49944252
>donate them
So a random opponent takes three damage and then gets a Vial Smasher? I guess it's a chaos deck but that's a little silly.

So does anybody name their decks? Or do you just write "Maelstrom Wanderer" on the box?

File: go chandra, burn to the extreme.jpg (338KB, 700x747px) Image search: [Google]

338KB, 700x747px

>>49944277
EGGMAN!!!

Will RB finally be playable in EDH? Vial smasher, as "eh" as it is, is already more viable than many RB commanders.

>>49944310
i name some of mine but only my meme decks

>>49944093
>Also how much would a good Edric deck cost?
Cheaper than you'd think. Bunch of little evasive fuckers, protection in the form of counters and other utility spells, and Beastmaster Ascension and Triumph of the Hordes to seal the deal

>>49944310
I'm not the only one here who does this, but I typically name my decks after songs or bands

>>49944329
Kinda pathetic, isn't it?

Still, with the Partner mechanic there is literally no reason whatsoever to run Vial Smasher by herself

>>49942045
They shit the bed with partners.

>>49944343
...gA?

>>49944316
Charles Bronson, the loony British prisoner.

>>49944310
I name all my decks. Sometimes it takes me a few working titles to get to a good one, and sometimes I come up with the name before I even make the deck.

>>49942177
First commander decks best commander decks.

Everyone here knows that we already know who all the four-color commanders, right?

The product page says their names.

>>49944258

sultai definitely has a theme of sacrificing subservient minions and utilizing dead bodies and such

almost all sultai cards are explicitly about sacrificing minions and raising zombies, etc, just as much as gruul cards are about barbarians and beasts and such, in fact sultai cards are actually way way more consistently on theme than gruul cards, and the reason for that is that sultai only exists in khans block whereas the gruul color combo exists in every block of magic history practically, and they've explored different flavors and themes in some of them

>>49944289
>instead of what it can actually do

funny thing is that i consider pick colors based on their weaknesses just as much as i do based on their strengths. i like having weaknesses. i think orzhov is more interesting and fun to play than WB+X since you really have to make WB's strengths work to your advantage to make up for your weaknesses, rather than just splash into green for op ramp and fatties and call it a day.

>>49944352
Not gA, but I name mine like that for the same reason he does

>>49944310
My box has a mana symbol on it and nothing else.

I call it "my X deck" where X is either the commander or the central gimmick.

>>49943586
HOLY SHIT the hype. Not for faggotry but the faggot lore

>>49943586
>Golem

>>49944329
BR is totes viable outside of competitive. Grenzo is a fairly resilient card advantage engine, Lord of Riots can be strong when it works if you can get past his inherent deckbuilding limitations.

Vial smasher does not lend to super degenerate stuff, but you can easily put curiosity/ophidian eye on him. The fact that you are not solely limited to BR gives you a lot more build-around options.

>>49942824
>Yidris
>garbled text seems to have trample, not cascade

FUCK

>>49944388
It doesn't really matter, because even before people "dug" that up, the spoiler article said all the 4-color ones are new characters from existing worlds, and all the 2-color ones are existing characters that haven't been on cards.

>>49943630
I don't see a reason why not.

>>49944399
Good lord what nonsense have I wrought

>>49944431
Because those're only statues of the rulers, not the real deal.

>>49940805

Why wouldn't I run this over Marchesa super friends?
>same cmc
>more keywords
>higher pt
>free loyalty counters

Fuck this shit.

>>49944451

if you read though his other ability seems to be cascade

something like, whenever he deals combat damage, the next spell you cast this turn has cascade

hence the long reminder text explaining cascade

Am I the only one who's bugged that Partners reduce your decksize

>>49944431
>Kynaios and Tiro of Meletis, RGWU
>WG: Monstrosity 6
>When Kynaios and Tiro become monstrous, they gain defender and become artifacts in addition to their other types. Put a +1/+1 counter on each other creature you control.

File: 1476594595933.jpg (56KB, 645x773px) Image search: [Google]

56KB, 645x773px

>>49944432
>viable outside of competitive

Then it simply isn't viable. Fuck fun.

>>49944495
doomsday grenzo and hope for good draws

enjoy your disgusting mockery of a BR deck

File: 1477339801821.jpg (60KB, 615x372px) Image search: [Google]

60KB, 615x372px

>>49944464
Go back to your containment thread otherwise I'll get confused as to which thread I'm currently browsing.

>>49944487
By
Fucking
1

>>49943953
Nice. I'm really liking Chandra's Ignition. Perfect for red voltron.

>>49944487
Nope. Bugs me too.

>>49944487
>muh one whole land

>>49944310
Sometimes I think of my Kumano deck as "Kumano a mano" I guess.

>>49944519
Does it count as a containment thread if I'm the one that made it?

>>49944487
I'm not terribly bugged by it. Having one less card doesn't really limit much at all.

File: Sofi.jpg (7KB, 259x194px) Image search: [Google]

7KB, 259x194px

Do swords of X and Y go in basically every deck?

>>49944572
Ew, no.

>>49944469
It doesn't make tokens or draw cards, and you miss out on 6CMC Chandra.

>>49944545
Yes, you made your mess now sit in it.

>>49944572
Eh, nah. You probably put a couple into a Voltronny deck, but they're not an auto-include.

>>49944469
... why would you run Marchesa as a Super Friends deck anyway?

>>49944572
No, they're pretty much crutches.

>>49944587
Other than creaturless decks, why not?

>>49944572
Only in decks that go tall. Maybe sofi in certain decks starved for draw.

>>49944603
What do you mean by crutches?

>>49944572
No, they really don't. They're alright to have, but they're nowhere near cards like Sol Ring and Top as far as being able to slot into 99% of decks

>>49944572
For Voltron decks, sort of. They're one of the few worthy equipments.
For everything else, though, eh. You could probably do better with synergistic stuff.

>>49944610
While they're very good, they're not too important outside of Voltron.

>>49944622
They're literal crutches. Do you see the shape of them?

>>49944572

if you have at least 20 creatures/token makers then fire and ice and feast and famine will always be at least decent, most likely, but unless your deck is based around double strike attackers or just voltron in general, i dont think the swords are optimal choices and deck slots are tight these days, they make new cards every block that fit your theme, why dilute your theme with something that is mana intensive and not super consistent like equipment?

>>49944616
sofi and sofaf

Maybe solish if a deck wants creature recursion but isn't in good colours for it?

>>49944616

I disagree. Wide decks benefit from swords too.

>>49944649
That's basically what I do. Voltron decks get Light and Shadow for removal protection and Feast and Famine for sheer value and ability to bypass chump blockers.

Outside of that I dip into Sofia for decks that need draw and lack it, and Solas for decks that need recursion and aren't in w/b.

>>49944643
sofi draws a card and shocks something, sofaf lets you use lands on your first main phase and then end combat with all your mana open. There's stuff like Norin which won't get much use out of them obviously but they're pretty good in most decks.

>>49944495
Why would you bother to play a format competitively if the way the format is openly not managed to be a good competitive format?

Pardon the video game analogy, but hyrule temple is banned from melee for the sake of having a better competitive scene. What if melee had a rules council that insisted that hyrule temple was playable, despite everybody knowing it would be bad for competitive play? You would have a competitive scene full of foxes and jigglypuffs trying to do one hit and then wait out the clock and it would be awful. Melee works as a game because it's owned by the players. EDH is very much not managed by the players.

You do what you want man, but you can't have a healthy competitive scene if competitive players have no influence on the game. Softbans and muh gentleman's agreement are the only things holding this shit together.

>>49944675

right they are pretty good in most decks, thats what i said, "at least decent", which means, anywhere from decent to pretty good to great

i just think most decks would prefer to just be more redundant on their themes so those themes are more consistent

Why are Ponder and Brainstorm so good holy shit

>>49944687
>Melee works as a game because it's owned by the players

What an apt comparison. A game intended for 4 people to have fun fucking around with their favorite characters is "reclaimed" by assholes who want to turn it into a super-hardcore 2-person test of skill by ignoring the 90% of the game that isn't the genre they'd rather actually be playing.

>>49944687
If it were managed by the players, it would be dead right now.

They make some bad decisions, but they do have the longevity of the format at heart.

File: 104.jpg (70KB, 312x445px) Image search: [Google]

70KB, 312x445px

>>49944726
Did I hear someone say Brainstorm?

>>49944726
because they're blue

is there a specific reason why they decided to make blue the "i want to win" color anyway? i guess green comes pretty close but eh

File: 8.19.jpg (49KB, 550x417px) Image search: [Google]

49KB, 550x417px

>competitive EDH
My favorite meme of all

>>49944726
I've never had them not be anything but mediocre in this format.

>>49943848
>just because it would harder to cast doesnt make it any more likely that it would have randomly absurd combat stats

No that's exactly what it means.
Just look at Siege Rhino.

That's a 4BB in mono black.

>>49944762
Seem pretty great for something like Intet or Melek.

>>49944752
We went over this earlier: it's because MaRo loves big blue dick in his ass and no other color can provide him that same satisfaction

>>49944765

siege rhino doesnt have absurd stats though, a 4/5 for 4 isnt that weird in green

a 6/4 for 4 is way different, and again my main point is that a 6/4 for 4 that has a tap ability that would prevent it from being a combat-focused card is just bad design and im 100% sure that the new WUBR artifact commander is not a 6/4 for 4 with a complicated tap ability

>>49944687
Things we would have to deal with if "the players owned" EDH:

Tiny Leaders. 30-life games (which then become 20 life games). Banning multiplayer. Unbanning every single card currently on the ban list, and banning 50 that have no business BEING banned. The banlist changing week to week, possibly drastically. "errata" on cards that ~should~ work a certain way (as determined by some random)

I don't think that WotC/the RC are infallible, and I disagree with some of their decisions, but I do genuinely think they know better than the collective zeitgeist of EDH nerds on the internet.

>>49944310
I'm not stand name anon. but I do the same shit. Right now I have:
Angry Omnath "Battery"
Kurkesh "Father of Death"
Savra "Twisted Sister"
Oldamog "Black Sabath"

>>49944597

They attack my walkers, I draw cards. They attack me, my walkers stay untouched. The walkers in those colors also voltron like Ajani, Sorin, and Gideon.

>>49944589

And instead I get free counters, UG bullshit, Tamiyo, GW Ajani, Tezz, Teferi, ect.

>>49944572
I'd actually say yes if you have any amount of creatures. They will help most decks.

>>49944781
That's true. They earn their spots in certain decks.

>>49944825
But you are right that in some decks it's a pretty wimpy one-off.

>>49944799
You would trade the best interaction suite in the format for a bunch of goodstuff?

I guess that would work in some durdley midrange meta but stax, combo, and control would destroy you.

>>49944794
>4/5 for 4 with trample and op etb ability, isn't that weird in monocolor.

There's ONE VANILLA card that's 4/5 for 4 in mono green without a drawback.

>>49944871
Group hug?

>>49944863
>the best interaction suite
He still has access to white and black, plus green and blue.

I'd say gaining U/G at the cost of R greatly EXPANDS his interaction suite, rather than harming it.

>>49944871
OLD REPRINT

>>49944893
That's the best mill card ever made.

>>49944907
Yeah, but I assume it's in the group hug or chaos deck.

>>49944865

sure but there's also a good number of 8/8 trample for 6 and stuff like that

its true that restrictive mana costs have been rewarded with higher p/t on a number of cards, notably that naya one from back in alara, and that triple green one from zendi. im not denying this

i think youll notice that these cards usually have green in them, though, for one thing, and the other thing is that their higher p/t is the focal point of the card. these cards are designed to be efficient p/t cards and thats why you play them

there is no card, to my knowledge, thats ever been printed that has a ridiculous gaudy power to cmc ratio like 6 to 4 with no drawbacks AND ALSO a tap ability that totally lacks synergy with having really high power to cmc ratio

i guess the closest example i can think of would be avatar of woe, although technically that has a drawback of being 8 mana to cast unless certain conditions are met

>>49944963
Spiritmonger!

File: 5t4lw4nn9htx.png (834KB, 531x689px) Image search: [Google]

834KB, 531x689px

So if this is the text on the Null Green commander, will there be any salvaging the deck?

>>49944907
>Best mill card ever made
>"May"
>Puts a creature directly onto the battlefield
Sure

>>49944977
1) The names don't match.

2) Why the fuck would they put a tap ability on a 6/4

>>49944871
Yay! Now I can... build Oath in vintage?
I guess this is for HUG players.

>>49944977
>Legendary Artifact Creature - Wizard
Race takes precedence over class

>>49944976

spiritmonger doesnt have a tap ability, its abiltiies all synergize, its just a pushed card with high p/t

>>49944983
People are stupid.
They'll lose 30 cards before they realize wtf is going on.

>>49944977
Everything about this card's design looks absolutely atrocious.

>Tap ability on a 6/4
>DEALS DAMAGE TO A PLAYER as a thing at all
>Gaining 5 life
>The numbers being all random shit thrown together, 6, 4, 5...

>>49945013
Neither does that triple green one from zendi?

>>49945017
And have what, 5 or 6 free creatures that you fucking gave them in the meantime?

Wow, you're just next-leveling them.

>>49944977
>Breya
>Awara
If possible I want you to smack the person who "transcribed" that.

>>49945036
2 of those creatures might be good.
The rest are some meh 3cmc or less creatures.

File: Obliterate.png (121KB, 223x311px) Image search: [Google]

121KB, 223x311px

>>49944597
>>49944469
There are a few ways I could up my loyalty counters...

I could masturbate in front of my friends with Time Warp effects...

or I could whip it out and have it roll out on the table like a redcarpet with pic related

>>49945020
>Gaining 5 life
Wasn't that a theme in Esper?

I think a few of the numbers are off - my own interpretation of the card was that she's a 4/4, her second ability is -4/-4, she gains 4 life, and the thopter is a 1/1. Seems to fit the precedents set by previous cards better.

>>49945035

right... thats what im fucking saying you doofus, right the posts

im saying there has never been a creature with no drawbacks, high p/t to be good in combat, AND a tap ability which totally clashes with high p/t because without vigilance, you cant both use the tap ability and its high p/t together

an exception would be something like hateflayer that uses its p/t in its tap ability

>>49945051
Yeah, that's an option. Doubling Season, Gilder Bairn, etc are also kind of tempting.