MTG Modern General

First for Frontier.

Is there a reason you faggots need two threads?
>>49938745 Sure looks serviceable to me.

>>49939149
>2 minute time different
Alright bud, guess I'll post to both. Let's make one thread discussing decklists and the other can be obnoxious shitposting and banlist discussion

>>49939149
It is a perfect OP (if it used the Karn Liberated card instead of just artwork), but this turned out to be the more active thread. This thread will do.

Metagame question: what happened to Death's Shadow?

So I'm thinking of getting in to modern with dredge and I was wondering if anything it runs is likely to be banned and if it would just be a better idea to wait till January?

>>49940939
Infect and Dredge are dangerous purchases right now, but you can get your money's worth with either if you win with it and sell in case of a ban.

>>49940939
Play Affinity. Too safe to be banned. Also invest in Splinter Twins while you have the chance, they're coming off the list next announcement.

Dredge isn't enough of the meta yet to get a banhammer

>>49940970
We're at the end of October and the deck keeps rising. If you played the deck at all you will know there's a reason to be worried.

>>49938772
>BUHH BAN PRIZED AMALGAM DREDGE TOO STRONK WUZARDS PLX
>no led
>no ichorid
>no dread return
>no careful study
>no cephallid coliseum
cry more faggots, i enjoy your tears

>>49940961
>>49940967
So what would you guys suggest for a deck around the price range of dredge if dredge isn't a safe purchase right now?

>>49941040
The only legitimate ban target is Bloodghast.

Too easy to cheat into play and it triggers Amalgam way too much in a game and too easily.

>>49941083
You can still buy it, the pricey cards can all be reused in other decks.

>>49941083
Buy dredge if you can buy it right now, the deck is hella fun and that's what matters. but don't buy it if your plan is to do it over time

>>49941083
Dredge is fine
Literally every deck in the format is fine
Twin isn't getting unbanned
Ad Nauseam is only going to get better
Trump is going to win

>>49942639
Besides from the slight buff from the new lands, why would Ad Naus get better? What cards do you see getting printed that will help the deck in any way?

>>49942663
Nothing, it's more about the meta changing to facilitate it
Right now, the top 4 best decks in the format are incredibly aggressive creature based decks that Ad Nauseam has problems with, mainly Infect. It already beats a lot of the midrange decks that are being played, like Jund, and beats decks like Tron. I think we're going to see more cards printed to help the fair decks fight the unfair decks, leading to a rise in midrange decks, making AN a better pick.
It's more that the deck can't possibly get worse. The meta can't get any faster than it is without it needing to be addressed. The deck is already a decent pick now, and so if the meta slows down it will only get better.

Mtgsalvation sultai players have been having Luck with delirium style builds (turns out snapcaster and flip jace enjoy self mill) so do I bite the bullet and get the 3 bitterblossom and played of jace?

>>49944064
The only good information I have for you is that Jace, Vryn's Prodigy is never going to get reprinted. Ever. Not a flip card like that.

So if you want it, buy it now because that price is never dropping.

Whether it is a good card or not I can't say.

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>practicing with my infect deck on xmage
>kill on T5 with a 12/11 unblockable dryad arbor

pic related

>>49944127
That's fair enough. It's a hard thing to swallow for a uni student though. It's funny how different the deck plays to other gb/X decks. They've been running ashiok cause it's actually good there (in the Sb). That said I'll need to find something to smooth draws late game, loot effects allow late game draws of bitterblossom, hand disruption or counters to be much better

>>49944200
>>kill on T5
what are you, retarded?

Team Blossoming Defense

or Team Cathartic Reunion?

>>49944598
hugs

>>49944598
You forget Team Lava Spike

Personally, I'm team defense and Laboratory Maniac

>>49944064
You have a list?

I personally love sultai colors

>>49944757
// Land (24)
4x Blooming Marsh
4x Misty Rainforest
4x Polluted Delta
3x Creeping Tar Pit
2x Overgrown Tomb
1x Breeding Pool
1x Watery Grave
2x Forest
2x Swamp
1x Island

// Sorcery (8)
4x Inquisition of Kozilek
2x Thoughtseize
2x Maelstrom Pulse

// Creature (13)
4x Tarmogoyf
3x Jace, Vryn's Prodigy
2x Scavenging Ooze
2x Kitchen Finks
2x Kalitas, Traitor of Ghet

// Instant (7)
3x Abrupt Decay
2x Disfigure
1x Doom Blade
1x Go for the Throat

// Enchantment + Tribal (3)
3x Bitterblossom

// Planeswalker (5)
3x Liliana of the Veil
2x Ashiok, Nightmare Weaver

// Sideboard (15)
2x Damnation
2x Hurkyl's Recall
2x Kitchen Finks
2x Nihil Spellbomb
2x Spellskite
1x Ashiok, Nightmare Weaver
1x Darkblast
1x Disfigure
1x Scavenging Ooze
1x Thoughtseize
This is one of the lists floating around on there. The decks are lots of fun and prey well on burn heavy metas really well. I'm down the Lilianas, bb, jace as of yet.taking out av cause Im not a fan and I have +1packrat

>>49942725
One of ad nauseam's worst matchup is Jund and other BGx strategies.

>>49944598
Team Ad nauseam. But both decks are enjoyable decks to play and play against.

>>49944922
Is it? I always knew it was unfavored but it's never been terribly difficult especially with 4 leyline

>>49944567
whats this meme?

>>49945040
People on here always bitch about infect winning on turn 2 or 3

>>49945094
ah yes
the thing that people who never actually play infect say

>>49945094
they also don't complain about dryad arbor killing them but here we are apparently

>>49944827
Will never be worth dropping bolt

>>49945110
what are you talking about? Infect always has a turn 1 glistener elf and a turn 2 double might + mutagenic
that's why it's tier -1

>>49945156
wait, you gotta remember that the opponent NEVER has any paths or bolts either.

>>49945207
of course, because you're a GOOD guy who only plays brews
even though you went 0-5 with you mono-black devotion list it doesnt matter because YOURE fighting the system

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>>49944619
I am team GR Tron:

4 Ancient Stirrings
4 Chromatic Sphere
4 Chromatic Star
4 Expedition Map
2 Forest
4 Grove of the Burnwillows
1 Haven of the Spirit Dragon
4 Karn Liberated
4 Lightning Bolt
2 Oblivion Stone
2 Sanctum of Ugin
2 Spellskite
4 Sylvan Scrying
2 Ugin, the Spirit Dragon
2 Ulamog, the Ceaseless Hunger
4 Urza's Mine
4 Urza's Power Plant
4 Urza's Tower
2 World Breaker
2 Wurmcoil Engine

Sideboard:
1 All Is Dust
1 Crucible of Worlds
1 Emrakul, the Aeons Torn
1 Ghost Quarter
2 Nature's Claim
1 Platinum Emperion
4 Relic of Progenitus
1 Thragtusk
3 Warping Wail

Are you Jelly Much?

>>49945323
of your T2 deck?

>>49945323
Nah, I prefer to breath through my nose. I'll hit you up if I ever want to join the Neanderthal ranks

Whats the chances of dredge getting banned?

>>49945503
breddy much 0

>>49945503
Entirely? 0
A small piece to keep it in check? maybe 5%

>>49945139
What is abzan

>>49945645
A miserable pile of souls

>>49945645
Good one smart guy. Does sultai play white? Fuck off with your shit, it's obvious what he meant

>>49945748
Are you retarded?

>>49945748
I post gbx Deck
>not worth dropping bolt
Point out abzan doesn't remember run bolt and is gbx
>this guy >>49945748
How does it feel being diagnosed with autism over the Internet?

>>49945784
>>49945818
Woah sick burns dudes. I can only imagine what you jokers must be like irl

>>49945891
nice backpeddling retard
lick my fuckin nuts

>>49945891
Good one smart guy. Fuck off with your shit

>>49945905
Backpedal? Maybe you should learn the term. I'm still here saying your deck is shit and you're a retard for thinking mtgs users are anything more than scrubs

>>49945989
Not even that guy
stay mad

>>49945989
>>49945891
>>49945748

You're a fucking idiot man

>>49946013
Oh, well if you say so, I must be. Lol neck yourself you pathetic virgin

>>49946013
Not even him but you're mad as fuck

>>49940967
Please don't say that, it's hard to hide my boner at uni

Anything in Sultai colors (that isn't Jund/Abzan midrange + blue cause I don't wanna buy Liliana/Goyf) or any deck that abuses etb/blink effects? I just want something other than Tron to bust out and play

>>49946456
No

>>49947114
how about bant or even esper spirit tribal? I don't need the deck to be 4-0'ing FNM, just be good enough to win some and be a fun pet deck

>>49946456
>Anything in Sultai colors (that isn't Jund/Abzan midrange + blue cause I don't wanna buy Liliana/Goyf)
I mean, how dank do you want to go?

You could build Sultai as a hard control deck.

>>49947736
Just seems like it would always be better to have goyfs in it. What other reason are you even playing green at this point? Scooze? A couple decays and a maelstrom? Ok

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>>49947893
You won't want Goyf if you're running 3-4 Damnation

Green gives you Decays, lots of sideboard/utility cards, and pic related.

>>49947954
That card is lame

>>49947993
It's slow, but what it does let you do is fire off Thoughtseize/Inquisition on your opponents draw step to nab their topdecks, keeping those spells live later in the game than they would otherwise be. Flashing in Damnation, 'walkers, or Kalitas is nice, too.

>>49947954
>You won't want Goyf if you're running 3-4 Damnation
Yeah you do. It isn'tma big deal if goyf dies because it's a 2, mana investment. Sultai also lacks solid removal, unlike abzan that gets path and Jund that's terminate.
If you want hard control with ways of making people discard at instant speed just play esper

I'm building a blue Tron deck, what are your thoughts about Mana Leak and additional counters on main deck? Current running 4 Condescend, 4 Remand and 3 Repeal.

>>49949787

You have 11 counters already. Can you imagine topdecking more counters when you have Tron up? Your topdecks will be worth way more when they're worth 2x your opponents card value. Why trade 1 for 1 with more counters, mana leaks no less, when you can just slam threats and win?

I'm not a Tron player but I feel like topdecking mana leak would fucking suck

I've been looking to build dredge for awhile and I'm finally going to make a move on getting cards for it. But there seems to be quite a few versions of dredge and I don't know which to play.

Is the shocks/fetches mana base better? Or the rainbowlands/fast lands mana base better?

Is the version that runs simian spirit guides worth taking a look at?

>>49945668
Not that anon but holy fuck I got a kek outta this

>lost a ranked match because xmage didn't give me priority, even though i had my angel's grace in hand and 4 mana up
thanks xmage

I need 4x kitchen finks and 3x gavony township , are these likely reprints for mm17??

>>49953468
No, but you can count on that all star card, Stensia Bloodhall! And don't forget the mill win condition, Nephalia Drownyard! Pre-order your boxes of Modern Master 2017™ at Star City Games™ today!

>>49953515
think its gona be that bad? no hope for cheap lillys

>>49953515

Don't forget about Fiendslayer Paladin, a mainstay in Knight tribal which we will be seeing as a draft archetype!

Don't expect to see Knight of the Reliquary though.

>>49953610
Modern Masters has never made cards cheaper in the first place so there was no point getting your hopes up. The only thing that's made Modern slightly cheaper recently is the format is so shit that people are stopping playing it, increasing the supply of cards.

>>49953468
You betcha. Kitchen finks fill be up rareshifted to a rare and mm17 will be the flagship set to introduce super mega ghost rares for non standard sets! Township will be one of the cards.

>>49942725
Ad Nauseam only has problems with Infect out of the creature decks, Phyrexian Unlife and multiples Graces basically read you can't lose to regular damage and it goldfishes on turn 4 pretty consistently.

>>49953810
>The only thing that's made Modern slightly cheaper recently is the format is so shit that people are stopping playing it, increasing the supply of cards
Literally not happening

>>49953904
Well Modern at my LGS has died a slow death recently, and in the general area the same has happened.

>>49945323
My current:
2 Forest
4 Grove of the Burnwillows
1 Sanctum of Ugin
1 Urza's Factory
4 Urza's Mine
4 Urza's Power Plant
4 Urza's Tower
2 Ulamog, the Ceaseless Hunger
4 Wurmcoil Engine
4 Ancient Stirrings
4 Pyroclasm
4 Sylvan Scrying
4 Chromatic Sphere
4 Chromatic Star
4 Expedition Map
4 Karn Liberated
4 Oblivion Stone
2 Ugin, the Spirit Dragon
SB: 1 Crumble to Dust
SB: 3 Nature's Claim
SB: 2 Warping Wail
SB: 1 Life from the Loam
SB: 1 World Breaker
SB: 1 Pithing Needle
SB: 4 Relic of Progenitus
SB: 2 Sudden Shock

Haven seems like a winmore card whereas Factory allows you to stabilize with draws that have nothing but land. 2 Skites mainboard seems pretty overkill since Infect just laughs at it, it doesn't gain that much life vs Burn without blue mana and Suicide Zoo can't recover from Karn/Ugin and will kill you on turn 2-3 with Thoughtseize backup regardless g1. Swapping pyroclasm to bolt weakens the Affinity matchup a whole lot and only two Oblivion Stones gives BGx a chance to beat you with a decent draw. Also I'm pretty unimpressed with World Breaker vs everything but control and Valakut decks, color requirement sucks.

But I may be 100% wrong and would like to hear your thoughts.

>>49953871
And don't forget. In addition to the foil card in every pack. We also got a foil token in every pack! All at the "premium" price of 14.99 per booster pack! Which are made with recycled cardboard since we know how much of a hit that was for mm15!

i saw people talking about that scg ad naus vs infect match
anywhere i can watch that?

>>49954436
Are you talking about the game where the infect player was a grill and was misplaying like it was a professional sport?

>>49954518
"Misplay", an apologists word to excuse people who refuse to GIT GUD

>>49954436
It's nothing compared to Kent "You missed your RIP trigger even though I exiled my yard" Ketter not casting Collective Brutality against Jadin (Ad Nauseam) who's at 1 and would go to negatives and die to combat even with Angel's Grace active in g2.
6:39:30 mark or so
twitch.tv scglive v 96724500

>>49954518
I mean. Can you really blame her? After all, infect is an incredibly skill intensive deck that requires a PhD to play! I mean, shit, I can't wrap my head around the thought process between elf or noble turn 1.

>>49954563
thanks
my man

>>49954560

Misplaying isn't a euphemism for fucking up, it's a direct term for fucking up. If you say you misplayed, you're admitting to having fucked up, that you had a better option and you chose wrong.

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>>49954610
>she plays Gitaxian probe
>forgets to draw

How many braincells are needed to play infect?

>>49954563
>Kent "You missed your RIP trigger even though I exiled my yard" Ketter

That was such a scum move. How do people not get any punishment for that kind of garbage?

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>>49953810
>What is Noble Heirarch?
Also didn't Goyf drop in price after MM15? Not immediately but later as people aren't buying them any more. It's at 130 rather than 150 currently.

>>49955669
>It's at 130 rather than 150 currently.
That's because of the recent drop in people wanting to build Modern decks. People are realising how shit the format is.

>>49955669
>people aren't buying them any more

This might have something to do with it

>>49955731
LOL no it isn't.

>>49955379
Cmon man don't be so harsh on her. It's a super easy mistake to make after thinking so hard to cast the spell (especially considering you could pay two life to cast it. I mean jesus thats super out of the norm!) and taking in MASSIVE amounts of new information from your opponents hand! It's just so overwhelming for most people cept the people who spent years studying to get their diploma in piloting the deck.

>>49955768
Wow you guys sure are so intelligent and superior

>>49955669
Because people arnt really rushing to build jund/abzan anymore, and/or every who needs them already has them.

>>49955783
Assmad infect player detected.

>>49955757
>Haha nice man, you killed me T2 and there was nothing I could do about it, I'm having a great time playing this format.
Said no one ever.

>>49955857
>le turn 2 meme
opinion discarded

>>49955844
>>49955857
I don't play infect. It's just ridiculous how high you guys get on these horses because someone else made a misplay. I can see you tipping that fedora from here

>>49955857
Your fault for playing a deck with no removal. Oh nevermind they always have protection and sometimes elvish spirit guide to really blow you out

>>49956033
Laughing at someone who forgot to draw off a fucking cantrip isnt fedora tipping. Though nice projection

>>49956052
>Your fault for playing a deck with no removal
So Infect is a deck which forces its opponent to hold up multiple pieces of removal at all times or face an instant loss? Why is this deck legal when Splinter Twin isn't?

>>49956033
You sure are fun to be around. Ever heard of something called a joke?

>>49956171
To shake up the meta! xD

>>49956171
>So Ad Nauseam is a deck which forces its opponent to hold up multiple pieces of removal at all times or face an instant loss? Why is this deck legal when Splinter Twin isn't?

>>49956176
A joke is 'not drawing after git probe'

>>49956033
>see some friends laugh and poke fun at ther friend for misplaying

"Guh what a bunch of fedora-tipping neckbeards!"

>>49956210
Wow man! Get off your high horse!

>>49956207
Pfft I wish. Ad Naus just isn't that good, and I play the deck.

Why can't modern have new cards printed in supplementary sets? It's not like wizards printed anything busted recently

>>49956474
Because R&D doesn't want to introduce cards except through standard for some reason.

source: some official article somewhere

>>49956564
It's not like what they R&D have been doing has been healthy for the format anyway, eg Eldrazi

>>49956474
Because that would require testing for Modern, which RnD doesn't want to do because they're terrible at magic and will shit the bed

>>49956635
Except they've admitted that they don't test for modern that much anyway so it doesn't really matter

>>49956659
>tfw wizards will never make good control cards again unless it was a total accident like nahiri

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>>49955857
i'm guessing you have never played vintage.

"The first reason for this is that we actually playtest these cards extensively, so we have a much better idea about how strong they are in the abstract, but it also accomplishes the goal I mentioned earlier of letting Standard decks become Modern decks when they rotate out. The second is that we don't want to release sets that intentionally shake up Modern, then end up making people's experience less fun, or forcing them to chase cards or new decks. I don't think that is what the majority of people who play Modern are looking for. We tried this for a while with Legacy, and I think the results were not great—look at True-Name Nemesis in particular. That's what happens when we aim a card at Legacy and hit higher than expected. While some of the cards we added, like Flusterstorm, Scavenging Ooze, and Shardless Agent, probably worked, we could've printed those in sets that got more one-on-one testing than Commander or Planechase."
-http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/latest-developments/modern-musings-2016-06-03

>>49956688
I'm more pissed that they're making new cards that are at about modern's power level, mostly lower, and it would be cool to have new cards instead of having to wait for standard to get them.
The cardpool is big enough for the format to become a pseudo-eternal format

>>49956720
>tfw we could have had flusterstorm and shardless agent and true-name nemesis
cmon you know it'd be fun

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Dear fa/tg/uys.
I'm having a "middle geek crisis".
I built (pic related) 2 months ago.
I had a lot of fun in the beggining.
It was my first Midrange Deck in Modern.
But the last weeks, I'm having problems having fun with it. It's starting to feel like Burn and Tron (always the same plays).
I'm an aweful player but I loved when i had Affinity, the ammount of combos, the crazy plays and the stress i felt in game 2 and 3 (the hate). But after top decking many Ornithopters and Meme-nites, I ended up selling it.

I'm the most at fault here, I enjoy buying cards, receiving them (feels like Christmas) and selling them, so always end up trying to sell one of my decks.

But this one, Bant Eldrazi, the flame simply died too quickly...

What is your opinion? Should I give it more time and chances? Should I sell it? Or should I build another Deck that uses multiple cards from this one?

>>49956777
should have stayed on affinity

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I fucking love to kill scrubs with mountains.
who else here loves to kill scrubs with mountains?

>>49956716
(not that anon)

in all seriousness that's a bad comparison because dredge is the one vintage pillar that doesn't get to play the game at all when opponents have lucky hands. fucking hell my storm opponent lets me dredge my entire deck off wheel turn1 but I'm not getting to untap again.

>>49956816
What kind of shitlist does Vintage Dredge run if it can't just Dread Return a Flayer then a Grave Troll?

>>49957040

you're not doing that on turn1, which is the only weakness of bazaar. you tap it, untap, draw for dredge, tap bazaar for half your deck and either make him discard his hand on t2 & kill him (with hasted zombies) or make him discard his hand on t2 & kill him turn3 with ridiculous consistency. not being able to fuck with your opponent turn1 can be a real cockblock in vintage, no matter how guaranteed a turn2 win is.

>>49957232
>you're not doing that on turn1
Why not? Narcomoeba and Bridge from Below make it possible.

act of authority
adriana, captain of the guard
aether gale
aethersnatch
angel of finality
angel of the dire hour
angelic field marshal
anya, merciless angel
arachnogenesis
arcane lighthouse
arjun, the shifting flame
assault suit
awaken the sky tyrant
ballot broker
banshee of the dread choir
bastion protector
benevolent offering
besmirchbitter feud
blade of selves
bloodspoore thirnax
borderland explorer
breaching leviathi
broodbirth viper
caller of the pack
canal courier
centaur vinecrasher
comeuppance
command beacon
commander’s sphere
corpse augur
coveted peacock
creeperhulk
crown of doom
crown hunter gireling
curse of chaos
curse of inertia
curse of predation
curse of shallow graves
curse of the foresaken
custodi lich
custodi peacekeeper
custodi soulcaller
daretti, ingeniious iconoclast
daretti, scrap savant
dawnbreak reclaimer
daxos the returned
daxos’s torment
deadly designs
deadly tempest
demon of wailing agonies
deploy to the front
deputized protestor
derevi, empyrial tactician
diviner spirit

djinn of infinite deceits
domineering will
dread summons
dream pillager
dulcet sirens
elderwood scion
entourage of rest
eye of doom
ezuri, claw of progress
ezuris predation
fang of the pack
feldon of the third path
felidar umbra
fell shepherd
fell the mighty
fiery confluence
flamekin village
flesh carver
fractured powerstone
freyalise, llanowars fury
from the ashes
gahiji, honored one
garrulous sycophant
ghoulcaller gisa
gigantoplasm
goblin racketeer
grasp of fate
grave sifter
great oak guardian
grenzo, havoc raiser
grenzos ruffians
hallowed spirit keeper
herald of the host
hooded horror
illusion of choice
illusionists gambit
illusory ambusher
impact resonance
incite rebellion
indrik umbra
infernal offering
intellectual offering
jazal goldmane
jeering homunculus
kalemne, disciple of iroas
karlov of the ghost council
kaseto, orochi archemage
kaya, ghost assassin
keeper of keys
knights of the black rose
krond of the dawn clad
leovold, emissary of rest
lieutenants of the guard
lifeblood hydra
loreseekers stone
magus of the wheel
marath, will of the wild
marchesas decree
masterwork of ingenuity
mazirek, kraul death priest

menagerie liberator
meren of clan nel toth
messenger jays
meteor blast
mirror match
mizzix of the izmangus
missix’s mastery
myriad landscape
mystic barrier
mystic confluence
nahiri, the lithomancer
naya soulbeast
necromantic selection
nekusar, the mindrazer
noble banneret
ob nixilis of the black oath
oloro, agelss ascetic
opal palace
ophiomancer
orchard elemental
order of succession
oreskos explorer
overseer of the damned
palace jailer
palace sentinels
pathbreaker ibex
preyseizer dragon
price of knowledge
primal vigor
prossh, skyraider of her
protector of the crown
queen marchesa
raving dead
recruiter of the guard
reef worm
regal behemoth
restore
righteous confluence
rite of the raging storm
roon of the hidden realms
sai of the shinobi
sakashimas student
sanctum prelate
sandstone oracle
scourge of nel toth
scrap mastery
scytheclaw
seal of the guild pact
slvala, heart of the wilds
selvalas stampede
serene master
shattergang brothers
shielded by faith
siege behemoth
silent blade oni
sinuous vermin
skittering crustacean
skullwinder
skyline despote
song of the dryads
spawning grounds
spectral grasp

splitting slime
spoils of blood
spy kit
stitcher geralf
stormsurge kraken
stunt double
subterranean tremors
sudden demise
surveyors scope
sydri, galvanic genius
sylvan offering
synthetic destiny
teferi, temporal archmage
tempt with discovery
tempt with glory
tempt with immortality
tempt with reflections
tempt with vengeance
terra ravager
thief of blood
thorn of the black rose
thought vessel
thromok the insatiable
throne of the high city
throne warden
thunderfoot baloth
tidal force
titania, protector of argoth
true name nemesis
tyrants familiar
unstable obelisk
verdant confluence
volcanic offering
wake the dead
warchief giant
warmonger hellkite
wave of vitriol
well of ideas
widespread panic
wings of the guard
witch hunt
wolfcaller’s howl
wretched confluence

tell me which of these cards break modern
I can think of 3 that are good and maybe 2 that would see play, 0 being broken

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>>49957327

read the card, anon.
actually jokes on me original bazaar wording is completely fucked. here's a better version. it doesn't mill narcos. it just sets up 4-7 dredges turn2.

>>49956816
>>49957662
I'm pretty sure it lets you dredge 4 times on turn 1.

LED Bazaar
Activated LED getting red
Tap Bazaar dredge twice
Flashback faithless looting dredge 2 more times

>>49957471
The two cards that jump out at me are True-Name Nemesis and Song of the Dryads.

Mystic Confluence would also likely see some amount of play in blue control decks.

>>49957471
>tell me which of these cards break modern
Why? It's not like any of these cards are going to be legal; how often do we actually get a Scavenging Ooze - they learned their lesson to never put something Eternal playable in these things. It's just wishful thinking and if you ask me, there's too much of that in Magic.

>>49957875
>Titanshift mirror
>Song of the Dryads your Prime Time
>Play Vesuva as a copy of Prime Time
>ETB go get 2 more Vesuvas as Prime Times
>ETBs go get 1 more Vesuva as Prime Time and 3 more land
Hahaha.

Yesssssss.

>>49957784

oh, that's what you meant. vintage dredge is a lot different from legacy manadredge because UR cantrip dredge lists are very inconsistent in comparison to bazaar lists that want to mulligan repeatedly with the help of serum powder. mental misstep exists in vintage and you'd rather bypass that instead of crippling your list to get super lucky 1-in-100 turn1 sequences.

you could look at something like buehler's list on mtgtop8 and it might be fun to figure out why it's so different from legacy dredge (no LEDs and stuff) if you're new to vintage.

ok that's enough modern derailing though. talking vintage is fun and there's never a general around.

>>49957471
What is this list? Where did you get these specific cards?

It looks like a list of new cards printed in commander/conspiracy sets but you have omitted a bunch of cards like toxic deluge and containment priest.

>>49958031
It is but i forgot to put in original conspiracy

>>49958095
Toxic deluge was in commander 2013 with true name.

So try again?

>>49958122
nah im too lazy

>>49957471
Just be honest with us, are you fishing for an article idea and want us to do the heavy lifting?

>>49958130
I meant your excuse, you cherry picking jackass.

>>49949787

You don't need to devote more slots to counterspells like Mana Leak when you have a repeated loop with Spell Burst once your tron is up. Also some matchups the counterspells are just bad.

>>49952994

There's a button to hold priority you can click you know, or you can hold down CTRL

>>49958948

I find that it gives me priority again after I cast something. Is this an issue for other people?

>>49959117
That's how it has always been for me but for some reason it fucked me in that game

>>49959262

if you're not playing vs human scum they should let you rollback the turn if priority glitches up

>>49959765
he was brazilian

>>49957921
>ok that's enough modern derailing though. talking vintage is fun and there's never a general around.

we talk vintage here and there in the legacy general

>>49959765
People won't do that if he is gonna kill'em
they are spergs after all

>>49960437
It also didn't help I called him a monkey fucking shitskin cunt

>>49960519
ok i laughed

So if I'm playing UWR control, should I change to something closer to the UWR flash list at the Modern Open? It's mostly adding in spell quellers for the old restoration angels, but I'm very conflicted about this.

>>49960674
No, move more into RW Moon territory, UW Flash and Bant Spirits are sort of their own archetypes at this point. RW Moon has some free wins, and Bant Spirits is probably going to stay around in some form, Spell Queller is a fucking absurd card. The fact that it essentially counters but gets around stuff like cavern and can eat abrupt decay, along with being able to eat shit like cryptic and the ability to each creatures, shit as big as though-knot seer, make is so fucking stupid.
tl;dr go bant spirits or RW moon, they're probably going to stay around. Jeskai control is fine to keep playing, but word on the street is that it's actually a bad deck that's been overhyped. Heard a lot of good players saying recently that the deck just loses to so many other decks that it's not very good right now.

>>49960765
RW Moon is pure garbage fire of a deck. The sheer fact that you suggest going into it instead of a top8 at Milwaukee just makes everything from that point on invalid.

Also Bant Spirits wasnt that great on camera, the two times I saw it, got free wins from misplays(likely partly because it's a new deck and exact lists arent as well known). I really don't see it sticking around as a big deck or in numbers like many people think it is, at least in it's current form.

fuck it, i'm just going to put UR fae back together, it's bad but at least it's fun

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>>49960674
I've been tweaking a UWR Flash deck and it's gone well in testing.

I found with 25 lands and no Serum Visions I would occaisionally get stuck on mana, so I tried a version with fewer lands and Visions, and one with 26 lands, inspired by Shaun McClaren's pro-tour deck.

This is where I am now:
Creatures: 9
4 Snapcaster Mage
1 Vendilion Clique
2 Restoration Angel
2 Torrential Gearhulk

Instants and Sorceries: 25
4 Lightning Bolt
4 Path to Exile
4 Lightning Helix
4 Mana Leak
2 Remand
3 Electrolyze
4 Cryptic Command

Lands: 26
4 Celestial Colonnade
4 Scalding Tarn
4 Flooded Strand
2 Steam Vents
2 Hallowed Fountain
1 Sacred Foundry
2 Island
1 Plains
1 Mountain
1 Sulfur Falls
4 Tectonic Edge

Sideboard: 15
2 Engineered Explosives
3 Surgical Extraction
1 Dispel
1 Celestial Purge
1 Negate
1 Wear // Tear
1 Counterflux
1 Izzet Staticaster
2 Supreme Verdict
1 Gideon Jura
1 Elspeth, Sun's Champion

I'm worried about the Eldrazi, that's why I went from 3 Path/1 Snare to 4 Path, and I've considered Runed Halo in the board instead of EE.

Why not a Restore Balance Deck? For the luls obviously

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Didn't want to make a new thread so figured I'd ask here.

Why did so many people get into Magic when Return to Ravnica came out? It's a fact that they did, but I want to know the reason.

>>49962679
Enemy coloured decks are fun.

>>49962679
I got into magic right between INN and RTR. Mostly it was coincidence that I started playing at that time, but there might have been something in those blocks that caused me to pursue the game further and become competitive.

Here's what I think.

Innnistrad was a great top-down block, and I really liked the gothic fantasy flavor. Return to Ravnica was a good bottom-up block, providing a connection between the lore and the mechanics.

The only thing to complain about in Standard was Thragtusk (which seems tame now that we've suffered Siege Rhino). Standard had archetypal midrange, control, aggro, and combo decks that were all viable. There were goodstuff decks and synergy decks, and there was a balance between creatures and spells. This sort of standard environment sets players up for transferring into Modern or the Eternal formats.

At the time Modern was just taking off, too, and prices hadn't gotten so ridiculous yet.

Just generally a good time to get into competitive magic, I think.

>>49962679
Cause "muh nostalgia"

Honestly, I can't help but feel that Ravnica is overrated.

>>49962679

Because it was a set with many good cards playable in not just Modern but Eternal formats too.

Fuck 8ED and 9ED. Ban these sets

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>>49965703
sounds like someone got beat down by a fair and fun card

>>49965703
Fucking jund crybaby. Show me on the doll where tron wrekt'd you

How should I build kiki-chord? Obvs without chord and woth evolution. Does anyone still play the deck? Manadorks or traverse? Splashes? Boohoogland changes the list like once a week and I never see it played anymore.

>>49965918
You shouldn't

>>49961049
UR fae? post list

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>>49956816
>I fucking love to kill scrubs with mountains.
>who else here loves to kill scrubs with mountains?
Guilty as charged

I've been put of modern for 6 months or so, is Kithkin Tron still viable? I took a few matches over infect but less than usual overall, has modern gotten too fast for fair decks?

>>49967868
>Kithkin Tron still viable
There was never a time when this was a viable deck

>>49967868
>Is (not a deck) still viable?
This fucking board, man.

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>>49967868
>Kithkin Tron
whats wrong with you

Savage knuckleblade is brutal in eternal command. Deck is hella fun
Before you tell me it's shit, I'm aware it's not the best deck

>>49968668
Nah good for you man. He seems strong having 3 abilities. I think the abilities are a little overcosted/underwhelming but whatever. Cards are good in different decks

>>49942639
>Dredge is fine
>Literally every deck in the format is fine
>Twin isn't getting unbanned
>Ad Nauseam is only going to get better
I don't underst-
>Trump is going to win
Oh I get it, you're being ironic

>>49952994
>Playing Fag Nauseam
You deserved it

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>>49940970
>>http://www.mtggoldfish.com/metagame/modern#paper

>7% of the metagame.

Ban Prized Amalgam. The card is so aids to play against.

>>49969403
Fuck off with banning things and just learn the matchup you scrub

>>49969403
>angry over a deck being 7% of the meta
fuck off

Why are people so assblasted about dredge?

>>49971378
Who's people?
You mean the couple retards whining here?

>>49971378
It's basically like affinity but is much more resilient to removal

>>49971378
Modern players will always find something to complain about.

>>49968668
Fucking rights dude.
Nigh unkillable threat with vial
R for 4/4 haste
Can grow to win clashes with the biggest threats in the format

Glad rhinos little cousin found a deck to call home

>>49968668
>eternal command
what are its matchups like?

>>49974078
I haven't played enough to discern which matchups are terrible.
Midrange is slightly favoured because my late game is bonkers. Of course if jund has the nut hand I cry but who doesn't get pounder by iok, goyf, Lili and decays in the opener.
Combo is piss easy with recurring counters or a fast clock with goyf into snap bolt.

Aggro is probably the worst matchup because we're in rug colours and bolt only goes so far. Against aggro it really depends on the hand you keep.
Electrolyze, bolts and leaks can do the job but a hand with vial and witnesses is a great way to get run over.

So far most matchups feel like it's up to my decision making on whether I win or lose.
Tron is simple with stone rains and spreading seas.

The deck has less bad matchups and more bad hosers. RiP is awful. Stony silence hurts. Scooze is upsetting.

>>49974866
huh, a slow deck with a decent tron matchup. that's kinda cool
can't you just side in sweepers for aggro?
also nice dubs

>>49975144
Ancient grudge + reusing stone rain + possible eternal command/ruse lock makes tron favourable.

I guess I just need to test against aggro more.
I want GG by turn 3 and UUU by turn 4 so getting RR for anger isn't always the best choice but I have it on the board. I find a lot of the time pyroclasm just isn't enough damage but it's still nice.

>>49975487
dang that color weight
how about firespout?

>>49975487
I suggest the filter lands, they are kinda insane. I play sultai and I run 2 u/b and 1 u/g. They aren't fetchable sure, but I have the same kind of requirements. My deck wants all 3 colours by turn 2 available and turn 3 it wants doubles of green or black, and turn 4 I have Damnation plus cryptics so colours are strained as hell.

I suggest for the aggro matchup get a firespout or 2, they're surprisingly flexible (used to play scapeshift and was pretty happy to see them). Plus you can fetch for them kinda aggressively against aggro decks.

>>49945323
autism speaks

>>49955379
more than almost the entire rest of this goldfishing format. sure infect counts to 10, but tron only counts to 3

Any Tezzerator cucks brewing in here? I want to believe

>>49975970
>>49976329
I'll definitely throw in some firespouts. Not sure why I missed them.

As for the filters I am running 2 flooded groves. So far the mana isn't an issue, especially with vial. Just it gets a little iffy when I throw in anger of the gods. (a cheeky side note : I run a one of traverse the ulvenwald so sometimes I could fetch them)

Anyway thanks for the advice. I was honestly expecting toxic replies. Stay cool

>>49976329
>run 2 u/b and 1 u/g
How often do you need to mull due to filter lands? I'd be scared of not being able to keep a hand because they can't activate one another alone

>>49976581
It's never actually been a problem. My deck really stretches the limits for mana bases, I have 9 fetches, 4 shocks, 3 filters, 2, manlands and 2 fastlands (may go to 3) and 3 basics. As far as needing to mulligan it hasn't happened except against blood moon decks. I'd almost like to go to 3024 lands so I can play Grier reach sanitarium.
>>49976555
Sounds like a solid mana base, filters are scoozes best friend. I hope anger works well for you. Have you considered pyroclasm for infect?

>>49976555
Post your list?

>>49976643
I should say, filterlands are awful for control's 1 mana counterspells. Either a dead land or needing to hold up an extra land is painful

Maybe I'm overtired but this card seems kinda insane, especially against burn or infect. It isn't even a 2-for-1 on yourself if done right. Either they try to bolt you and you exile a three mana spell then redirect it to their creature. Their 2 spells for your 2 spells. Alternatively for infect they want to one shot you and you redirect some of it onto their infect body. You survive and the creature dies when the buffs wear off. I guess it's similar to deflecting palm but it doesn't prevent the damage so infect still hits for infect

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>>49977501
Forgot image

>>49977501
What is Deflecting Palm

>>49977501
what white cards are you running that can even redirect bolt? Throw away your nahiri and lose because you have no win con?

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>Chinaman cards have finally left customs

>>49978019
You posted that on an edh thread a while ago. No one cares man

>>49978095
You cared enough to reply :^)

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>>49978019
>real cards have finally left the warehouse

>>49938772
I want a Grove reprint so bad...

At least the price is falling anyway.

If you have notice recently that modern nights have been pretty empty you are not alone, the price of modern as made it unplayable and the only people who have been saying modern shouldn't be played by people with a smaller income bracket are the jews hogging 74 scalding tarns just to drive up the price.

The format is dead and jewish hoarders killed it.

>>49978384
I'm sorry you're upset

>>49978384
Nah, Wizards having a shitty reprint policy killed it
>inb4 some cunt complains that cards have to maintain value
that's true to some degree but they should be at a reasonable price
like richard garfield said, nobody should have to pay more than 20$ for a competitive card.

>>49978538
Yea but that was back in like the 1920's. Money is different now

>>49979075
Sure but the point still stands
Maybe not 20 dollars, but rares over 30+ are pretty absurd
Don't even get me started on fucking walkers, I swear to god they made up mythic rarity just to push packs

>>49979145
>Don't even get me started on fucking walkers, I swear to god they made up mythic rarity just to push packs
They did for mythic. They don't follow the complexity design for mythics as much as they should
Walkers are bullshit, fucking design space between the median of an artifact and an enchantment.

>>49979568
>They don't follow the complexity design for mythics as much as they should
more like at all
One of the most bullshit things about walkers is that there isn't any fucking removal for them. You've got stuff like ancient grudge or natures claim, but there's no walker equivalent
Because if there was, they'd be weaker and people would buy less packs to get them

>>49979608
to be fair the cheapest good walker is 3 CMC, this isn't true of artifacts/enchantments

>>49979646
yeah that's fair
still, fuck wizards
only reason goyf was reprinted as mythic was because it was expensive. fucking cunts

kek never realized that if you tap city of brass while at negative life with angel's grace up your life total becomes 1
i can think of one situation where that'd be useful but thats it. still pretty neat

any decent modern decks that run eldritch evolution?

>>49980155
i think some of the kiki decks run it
abzan company i think does too but im not sure

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>Currently playing:

Abzan Liege

>Hard matchups:

Tron and Dredge

>>49980166
is kiki evolution more midrange or more combo?

>>49956171

I wouldn't be surprised if Twin was unbanned. Though I don't care either way there are dozens of two card infinite combos in modern. Infect is a hilarious glass cannon deck imo

>>49980669
>glass cannon
It really isn't

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so if I beat a pro who top 16'd a pro tour that means I basically top 16'd a pro tour right :^)

>>49980680
>not 2-0
basically a casual player

>>49956777

Affinity, Infect, Bogles, Jund, Bant Eldrazi, RDW, Tokens, Merfolk, Elves are all pretty viable.

I'm meh about Eldrazi but this list looks fun.

>>49962679

I liked Ravnica, it teaches players about multicolor vibes, simple set with some value. Wasn't my favorite but I could see a new player having a good time.

What does it even matter? More players is good.

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Thoughts on bushwhacker zoo? I built this on modo cause it was like 100 tix and it's been doing pretty well. Burning tree into bushwhacker feels like cheating.

>>49967868

Kithkin - casual deck, not even a good tribal deck for kitchen table

Tron - a real deck

Pick one.

>>49978384

Eh there are alot of budget modern decks that can win on turn 3 or 4 pretty reliably. The obvious money ones dominate but a player with under 200 bucks can make a good deck. People just aren't creative enough imo

>>49980675

Different anon, I agree with you. If you have an infect creature you win turn 2 or 3. Been playing UG infect for awhile and that's in. Game 2 and 3 can be abit harder due to hate but game 1 almost always plays out the same lol Not my favorite modern deck to play but it's consistently strong.

>>49980706
pyroclasm seems kinda against your deck too much as a sideboard option, maybe electrickery if you are worried about mass creatures?

>>49980774
I think that the pyroclasm is mainly for affinity and tokens where they're likely to have guys with 2 toughness, but yeah looking at the deck it does kill a lot. I guess you're supposed to board out the experiment ones or at least the goblin guides when you bring it in.

>>49980858
*kills a lot of your own guys

>>49980732
>The obvious money ones dominate but a player with under 200 bucks can make a good deck.
Stop this. And the following isn't personal.

It's just predatory thinking. Just like how people are told to buy boosters so they can get sharked for their good stuff before they know what good stuff is; happens every pre-release without fail. It just perpetuates that people can start off like shit so the better people can crush them at events. You shouldn't have to learn about the format by getting your shit pushed in; that's fine for something like DotA because the investment is merely having a computer that can play it. This isn't sports, this isn't cars, this isn't guns, this isn't boats where your gear matters. It's CARDBOARD.

As a person with great decks I don't want to lie to some bastard and tell them to waste $200 on a "good" deck only to get stomped consistently by the people with great decks. Sure, I can tell people that they can pack 24 Mountains and every cheap burn spell into their deck. That's a "good" deck.

I hate people being told then can spend $200 on a good deck and work their way up to spending $500 for a better deck. That is a shit way to run society. And the Magic community is shit because this is the lie that players are told; that going into debt is fine. That's okay when you buy a house with a mortgage because you get that house, but going into debt to have a half-assed passable Magic deck that only feeds the people with great decks is terrible. If you learn with only okay decks you only have okay skills. You learn why it is hard and easy in all the wrong ways; really, you learn nothing.

I hate how so much discussion at Magic in real life is about the money. I feel like shit when the first comment out of anybody's mouth when they see a Grove or Goyf is, "That's expensive". When you suggest to people ideas about their deck they say, "that's too expensive."

>>49980418
It's called little kid junk.

>>49980964
>hate how so much discussion at Magic in real life is about the money. I feel like shit when the first comment out of anybody's mouth when they see a Grove or Goyf is, "That's expensive". When you suggest to people ideas about their deck they say, "that's too expensive."
Those people are retarded, poor or both. It's not worth your time trying to talk to them either way

>>49977607
Not him but i can see how a card like this would make you go into a slightly higher curve. Cards like ajani vengeant, sad sorin, resto angel; there's a few 3 mana spells that can work, lingering souls, anguished unmaking, esper charm, giest.
The issue is this would require a new midrange deck to really see some Kind of play

>>49980858
Play qasali pridemage instead. Seriously, hits affinity and tron and buffs single attackers.

>>49982547
They could be poor and/or retarded to vocalize the observation - whining essentially. But they're not wrong.

Shit is unreasonably expensive. And that's not complaining. I own many cards.

I think that Modern suffers due to lack of accessibility. People here say Modern events are dying in their area; Modern events are dying in my area; and it's been almost five years and Wizards hasn't shown they are going to make the leaps necessary to take the power from the secondary market and forcibly lower the price of the cards.

It really bothers me that someone is interested in joining this format and they can't do the very stupid thing to pay to enter the format. So they don't play. And for whatever reason the people who do play Modern suffer attrition (like every format) but unlike Standard or Limited there's no new blood to take its place.

>>49982826
>Shit is unreasonably expensive. And that's not complaining. I own many cards.
Fucking this. I have plenty of high value cards but this is ridiculous. A goyf is 140, fuck that, for 2 goyf I can buy all of smashup, none of my friends need to pay anything, sleeve it and I have q bigger audience to play it against. Not to mention if I want to play than other people need to spend money to play too. I don't give a fuck about the value of my cards, what good are they when I haven't played them in 2 years?

>>49983366

For less than one goyf you can buy a Wii, gamecube controllers, an SD card, and mod it to run super smash bros melee.

I like mtg too but there's a reason that I play pretty strictly on xmage nowadays. I own plenty of value cards, but if nobody in my poor ass town can play modern (the only dude who talked about it says he plays "suicide rakdos".. which literally runs new fucking rakdos) what's the point? Hell, I'd almost be willing to buy a Lili every paycheck to build out my deck into paper, but it's fucking stupid because nobody here plays paper outside of draft and some kiddies playing edh. SOMETHING needs to be done.

>>49982826
>Shit is unreasonably expensive. And that's not complaining. I own many cards.
This
I've thrown a few grand into this format and I'd be fine if my cards lost most of their value if it meant others could play
Fucking stingy cunts ruined this game for everyone and wizards isnt helping in the slightest

>>49983428
>>49983366
>>49982826
>>49983448

>the I play the most expensive deck in the format but still agree and don't give a fuck if my deck lost ~1500 value if it means others can play and the community grows

>>49983464
>I love having valuable cards and nobody to play with

>>49983521
That's 100% my problem. Every standard player drank the modern koolaide and then the twin ban and pod ban killed most of my local meta. All those players said fuck it cause they didn't want to pay even more money to keep playing.

>>49983464

Normally there's a dude shitposting about poorfags. It's not very often you see this much solidarity in /modern/. That has to mean something.

>>49940970
There's just so much dredge hate available though.

>>49983561
One of the guys in my play group literally sold his modern shit because he doesn't care about this game any more he doesn't even have drug problems but he used the money (~3k) to buy K, m and coke because he viewed it as an equal waste of money

>>49980449
Midrange deck with a combo in it.

>>49983625
at least hes a man of principle

>>49980689
I also own Merfolks. The thing was, when I was building Bant Eldrazi, it was with the though of Jund 2.0 (budget wise). The Deck was great fun since it was my first Midrange Deck in Modern.
Currently posted it on Facebook, receiving some somewhat pleasant trades (lots of GR Trons though).

>>49982602
thanks anon, I'm gonna try that out

>>49983561
This post is cringe

I want to play a Land based deck. Should I go for Bloomless Amulet or Scapeshift.

If Scapeshift, what version of it.

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>is that unburial rites for me anon-kun?

>>49986053

you're cringing at the word solidarity? congratulations, you might be retarded.

>>49986091
Breach Titan running 1 or 2 shifts I would say, and if your meta is a bit slow you can just alter it slightly to take out the breaches easily

>>49986244
Did I say that? Fucking poorfags. Jesus

Is this worth 200 temers? What should I change here? Feel free to roast my favorite archetype.

4x geier reach bandit
4x lambholt pacifist
4x village ironsmith
4x village messenger
4x instigator gang
4x kruin outlaw

4x moonmist
4x howlpack resurgence
4x full moon's rise

4x timber gorge
10x mountain
10x forest

>>49986454
There's the shitposter

I'm planning to sell my affinity deck to buy either Grixis Delver or Nahiri Jeskai. How much of a retard am I?

>>49986536
>his opinion isn't the same as my own
>must be a shitposter

>>49986566

You're retarded only if you don't get grixis delver with the money. If you can pilot that deck you can pilot any deck in modern.

>>49986725
Then I will get Grixis Delver, I think it's a better control deck then Nahiri Jeskai anyway.

>>49986725
Grixis is the easiest variant of delver desu

>>49986590

>fucking poorfags is an opinion

epic lmao xD

>>49988262
Took you awhile to come up with that. Good job sport

>>49986777
It's a solid deck, good choice
I talked to a few people at milwaukee that were on the deck and a some said that they chose it over jeskai nahiri so i think that's the right call

>>49988713

>Im lurking the thread at all times

So what's your opinion since you're gonna make me fish for it? "Poorfags" isn't an opinion. Everyone else prior to you stated one on the state of prices in modern and seemed in agreement that they're too high despite owning cards and would be willing to see the value of their collections drop in the interest of having a larger community. What's yours?

Also
>>49986590
>he thinks prices in modern are too high
>he must be poor

>>49988814
>Waaah modern is too expensive
I agree but this shit is posted every thread and it's pointless

>>49989049

Except you're wrong
The posts are saying
>I can't play modern with other people because modern is too expensive

Learn to read. If you actually like modern and not just playing baby stocks with your cards youd want it cheaper too.

>>49989049
>I agree but this shit is posted every thread and it's pointless
Which is also a valid point
However, the conversation was going better than usual before it got derailed

>>49989272
I'd rather not play with snot nosed kids actually

>>49989827

0/10 post, try again later.

>>49989991
Can't be a zero if you replied :^]

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Early next year I plan to enter my first gp and was hoping to organise a deck that is highly competitive and fun. This is my first attempt a Naya Burn list, was looking for some feedback.

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/27-10-16-gMV-naya-burn/

>>49990105

It sure can, friend.

>>49990180
I think 20 lands is too many

>>49989049
>I agree but this shit is posted every thread and it's pointless
It makes me sad that it truly is pointless.

Wizards doesn't look here for feedback. Who would, we're 4chan.

The thing is, this is the only place that recognizes every problem in Magic and isn't a fucking circle jerk like every other Magic site. And not only that, you can't have this conversation in real life. Nearly every person I've met who also owns all the money cards in Modern does not want to talk about how these things are too expensive. Instead, they're just encouraging other people to make the same stupid decision to buy cards like we all did. I don't want the community to be full of people who think buying into Modern is a good fucking idea. It's an objectively terrible idea; the opportunity cost is massive.

I would rather that the format completely die than have it full of people who scrape from a meager paycheque to pay for a single Goblin Guide or Goyf.

There are fucking kids playing Standard who are borrowing money from their friends to buy cards. And when they get their allowance, they spend it on more boosters instead of paying back their friends. Or they're begging other people to pay for their entry into a draft and their sponsor can keep all the cards/winnings.

THAT is the community we are building; a community of people who are addicts and manage their money. I remember when I started playing this you just bought cards and played the game. Baneslayer could be hit by Doom Blade. Now they're printing the solid removal at Rare.

I remember when I started the majority of players bought drinks for each other. They would get up and say they're getting a drink and asked their opponent if they wanted anything. That doesn't happen anymore; it doesn't happen because people can't afford $2 for a drink.

I can't believe that nerds are legitimately poor.

>>49990432
>people can't afford $2 for a drink.
Speak for yourself. This is my problem. I can't relate with you guys on this level. If I want expensive cards, I buy them. I have money

>>49986527

>look mom I want to play a (bad) standard deck in modern

Son, even the best past standard decks like bant company or b/g delirium or ww would get completely wrecked here.

>>49988814

The shitposter is probably the same guy who posts about frontier here (and insults frontier in frontier threads), posts custom cards, etc. Don't give him >(you). It's all he wants. Just ignore his bullshit.

Bushwhacker Zoo with Tamo instead of Vexing, reporting in.

>>49990797

Tarmo*

>>49990797
Nice. I love that tarmogoyf guy

>>49990797
I can't tell if that's a real or meme deck
my mind tells me meme but my heart tells me semi real

>>49991301

I dunno it's won me several games against modern players.

I've played elves/Infect/UR Tron etc.

I can post my decklist if anyone truly gives a shit.

>>49991434
>I dunno it's won me several games against modern players.
I would imagine, I've had some really close calls with the deck playing as those decks
It's probably a solid deck but I can imagine it lacks good recovery from wipes and might struggle to close out games, but is otherwise good

>>49980706
I really dislike Flinthoof Boar, I run 4x Vexing Devil instead

>>49986801

can someone rank the delver decks?

>>49992249
It's really only grixis and rug.
Grixis is more control while rug is pure tempo with a sideboard that combats midrange.
All depends on play style. I prefer rug but grixis is more accessible and a bit simpler since it can run real removal such as terminate

Bant and esper are trash
I guess you could try jeskai but it isn't very good

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>>49986113
It sure is, Norn-sama.

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/27-10-16-ZEG-dredge/

suggestions and opinions for this?

>>49992817
damn brah real spicy brew you've got there
might not be tier one but it could win at your FNM

>>49992817
Cathartic reunion seems main boardable for you. Go turn 1 faithless loot, turn 2 reunion is hard to pass up
Collective brutality seems good, I like that you can pitch dredgers to it to make it stronger

what is GR Tron considered in terms of midrange/combo/aggro/control

>>49993445
Combo. You dig hard for your lands and then you hopefully just win.

>>49993445
Kind of similar to dredge actually. It's a deck that fits a larger archetype but has a combo engine to do what it wants to do, so it's technically a combo deck, but a lot of people would say it plays as a combo deck since it tries to stabilize and then stay on top of the game with cards like Karn.
tl;dr: combo/control

>>49993445
It plays like a combo deck, but it's threats are control finishers

>>49993445
It's a ramp deck

>>49953982
My GR Tron list (we made some slightly different main deck answers):
4 Ancient Stirrings
4 Chromatic Sphere
4 Chromatic Star
4 Expedition Map
2 Forest
4 Grove of the Burnwillows
1 Haven of the Spirit Dragon
4 Karn Liberated
4 Lightning Bolt
2 Oblivion Stone
2 Sanctum of Ugin
2 Spellskite
4 Sylvan Scrying
2 Ugin, the Spirit Dragon
2 Ulamog, the Ceaseless Hunger
4 Urza's Mine
4 Urza's Power Plant
4 Urza's Tower
2 World Breaker
2 Wurmcoil Engine

Sideboard:
1 All Is Dust
1 Crucible of Worlds
1 Emrakul, the Aeons Torn
1 Ghost Quarter
2 Nature's Claim
1 Platinum Emperion
4 Relic of Progenitus
1 Thragtusk
3 Warping Wail

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>>49953982

(>>49994069 ME) Part II: The bolts do help because when you better protection (instant speed) against affinity, and infect and buys enough time to go Karn into Ugin ... into exile everything. An early wurmcoil or spellskite also helps the traditionally bad matchups.

Exile (4 Karn, 2 Ugin, 2 Ulamog the hungry, 2 World Breaker): There are 10 repeatable exile effects and these win against the GR Tron mirror, and wins you games against control decks.

>>49994136
does split second not make Sudden Shock better than Lightning Bolt against infect and a bit against affinity? (can't move cranial plating in response)

>>49994322
>can't move cranial plating in response
if they're using the BB to move it during combat they can just wait till sudden shock resolves and put it on another creature anyway. It's better against ravager though.

>>49992350
what about UR and mono blue?
i think jeskai sounds good if you splash for goyf or delve beaters. boros charm, helix, path, and deflecting palm all sound kind of appealing

>>49994490
>jeskai sounds good if you splash for goyf
I think if you go that route you'd be better off just playing counter Cat.

As for u/r it's good but is more susceptible to pyroclasm and has trouble with any big creatures.
I think mono blue is a meme. It seems like one of those decks that preys on new players and can steal a game or two but each time I've gone up against it I always felt like I was firmly winning. Maybe it's the deck I was playing but it doesn't seem that great. It's definitely fun and interesting but I don't believe it to be overly competitive

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Any other turbofog players here? Am I alone?

>>49991622

Da, I think dredge was my worst time, I also haven't delt with too many board wipes in modern as of late, usually just single target removal at best to deal with goyf or nacatl

Grove of the Burnwillows and/or Voice of Resurgence reprints in MM2017?

y/n

>>49994856
Who knows. It's a year away. Why bother speculating?

>>49994895
it isn't a year away, it's less than 5 months away.

>>49994856
The only worthwhile land in MM3 will be Cavern of Souls. Very maybe Mutavault too. Lilliana will be the chase mythic, 'goyf will sit out this year.

The cards you mentioned (and Horizon Canopy) are considered mistakes. WoTC won't tell you, but they are delegated to the realm of akward once-in-a-blue-moon reprints.

>>49994136
I'll give you the bolt but from my experience the mirror is literallty a coinflip since whoever goes first lands t3 Karn and wins. Loam + quarter off the side mixes things up a bit but the basic idea is the same. World Breaker requiring color also sucks.