MTG LEGACY GENERAL

So im building nic fit because i want to wreck face with rhinos and baneslayer angels in legacy

an anon in the last thread said something about finishing the grove cycle of lands. anyone have confirmation on this? do they all get played in the cure?

>>49935771
>I'm not feeling creative
Well, I guess I can join the funposting in the Modern thread for a few minutes.

>>49936562
go to the modern treadd and bring back the most cancerous thing you can find.

>>49936668
>>49925700
>>49925701
>>49925650
>>49932224

>>49936242
Ive heard nothing about it other than that one guy i severely doubt it

>>49936973
>>49936668
Page 11, most of it is talk about banlist unbans. The best post I saw was >>49933422, specifically,

>It's a shame because competitive Standard feels a bit underwhelming since Theros rotated out and Kaladesh draft is one of the most boring we had in quite a long time imho.

It's a shame, I really do like Modern but it's sad to see all the shit going down.

>>49936242
Most likely not true at all, but if it was Lantern would be exceptionally happy.

>>49936203
i remember getting bodied by baneslayer angel out of a miracles sideboard once.

>>49937101
I don't understand how people can tell the difference between one shit sandwich and another

>>49936562
How about this?
>What's one time you won where you thought "this isn't how my deck usually works, but I'll take it"?

>Legacy is so dead in my area that I've become a Modernfag
Can a man ever rise from such hells?

Sup y'all.

Headed to my local legacy weekly right now, playing UW/r miracles.

Do you all think entreat is even worth running anymore? My threat package is currently 2 mentor, 3 Jace, 1 entreat (and then 3 snaps and a clique).

>>49937651
Get modern players to proxy legacy decks and play with them between rounds, if they are worthy they will realize their folly.

Any chance we might get some more broken stuff from commander 2016 like we did when true-name became a thing?

I remember I let a friend who exclusively plays modern to try out my storm deck (with guidance) against another player. He really wants to build storm now.

>>49937666
Retreat is really good in all the situations mentor is bad. I say it's worth it to have, even if you relegate it to the sideboard. 3 Jace seems like a lot, especially for a 4 drop. If you want to go the tempo miracles route you could, it usually doesn't run EtA main board and it plays quite differently

>>49937680
They usually throw eternal players a bone during these. I'm looking forward to seeing the decklists. My first impression is that I'll pick up the WUBR one, you all feeling inclined any particular way?

>>49937703
How many Jaces are you running? A lot of miracles players at my shop day I should run 1 Jace and 4 mentor, but Jace wins me so many games I don't really wanna cut him.

Post your deck's theme song and others guess which one is it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qBIBJTUDc4Y

>>49937599
Well I have attacked with a Lab Maniac to deal lethal damage with DDFT.

>>49937678
Many memedern players have not a damn clue how legacy works, unless like you said they are worthy, but many aren't, unfortunately

>>49937705
I'm going to pick up the not white one unless an obviously broken card is in a different one

then I'll just buy both. I don't even like edh

Personally I just thought it was fun to see the return of Flanking.

BANDING FOR COMMANDER 2017 COME ON WIZARDS BRING IT BACK

I GOT A JANKY WHITE/GREEN BANDING DECK READY AND WAITING

>>49937734
I'm running 2 but more often then not he's FoW fodder. 2 is the usual and that's what I'd suggest you go with. with 2 copies it's easy to find him between Brainstorm, ponder and top

>>49936242
>an anon in the last thread said something about finishing the grove cycle of lands. anyone have confirmation on this?

No way that actually happens. The R/G is the only one that works because it's in aggro colors and thus has an actual downside

A U/B or W/U grove land would be ridiculously broken

>>49937904
belcher

>>49939905
Correct.

>>49939921
kek. This is my deck's theme. I'm a namefag so no point in guessing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GB54xgxIkRo

>>49935771
It never fails in a small store meta (10-30 people) there is always one:
LED Dredge
MUD
Tezzerator
Nic Fit
Enchantress

BTW OP:
Lands is not that common because it has a $1000+ land that makes or breaks the deck.

Aluren is sneaking into Tier 1.5 Territory the last three months.

>>49940387
You underestimate legacy players' willingness to drop ungodly amounts of money on cardboard. Aluren will probably get bumped up a level soon. Maybe next thread.

>>49940382
>behold... the arctopus
patrician taste, my dude.

>>49941036
do you like Rings of Saturn?

>>49941471
I fucked with embryonic anomaly in high school. I'm more of a protest/btbam kinda guy though.

>>49941699
I really liked Rings of Saturn's most recent album, Lugal Ki En. Lots of melodic parts. I really like Protest the Hero, but not really a fan of BTBAM.

>>49936242
The version of the cure i was testing ran 4 bayou, 1 forest and 7 fetches i think, so probably not. Might be worth trying though

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>playtesting Deadguy before buying it
>Dark Ritual into Sinkhole a Dark Depths off the field
>Grove, Exploration, Grove, Manabond
>End step, Vesuva, Punishing Fire, and Loam goes to the grave
I am so bad at this game, I got rused so hard.

>>49943445

What else could you have done?

>>49943709
I had a Hymn in hand, I could have cast that but I was more afraid of them pitching Loam or something.

>>49935771
Can you post your DDFT list again? I'm going to sleeve it up and jam some games. Any tips? How aggressive should I be in comparison to ANT?

Picked up my third Force of Will yesterday. Getting rid of Standard "staples" feels good, man.

Not sure I can pick a clear theme song for my deck, but I think this one's not bad:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OFysVmdSvKU

>>49944119

I feel like that wouldn't have mattered unless you'd hit the Exploration, which—though possible—isn't a sure thing. Good news is he didn't have a quick Marit Lage.

>>49935771

So I'm trying to cut myself off from mtg, shouldn't even be posting here.

But I saw the op pic, had to post this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kr6aQDxj7D8

>>49937904
https://youtu.be/dzq6Q-43Tpc
It's not like the name gives it away or anything

Is the black red reanimator deck that is putting up results at tournaments and online actually good or just a meme? I have been thinking about putting a reanimator deck together and was just going to go with the standard UB build but the BR just keeps getting more popular. Could it be better than the classic build?

>>49946326
Reanimator in any of its forms is extremely powerful. The B/R versions and Tin fins versions bump the power level slightly but give up huge amounts of protection and selection(force/daze and brainstorm respectively).

Is giving up blue cantrips and countermagic a good idea?

No, if you have access to Underground seas play blue, if not you can win games with B/R, but its not a better deck.

>>49945872

I'm doing the same thing. I'm basically unloading most of my extra cards I've picked up over the years from playing limited to Card Kingdom and seeing if I can get a playset of Force of Wills.

I was actually shocked to see how high some of the prices had climbed on cards like Glimpse of the Unthinkable.

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So I've been playing my MUD list locally and in a world with so much Eldrazi, I'm having a tough time. Are there some recent developments in the deck to combat it, or are we a dying breed (more so than before)

>>49946428
Ok, but there must be some reason that BR had such an increase in popularity. It seems faster, so does that make it better against certain decks/a different meta?

With regards to the blue build, is hapless researcher worth running? I feel like I would rather just have ponder in that slot. And is collective brutality good enough to replace mainboard thoughtseizes?

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>tfw the oldest cards in the your collection are revised

i could have sworn i had older cards at some point, how was i so wrong

>>49937599
Sometimes, if I see my opponent runs no exile removal, slamming Tezzeret and animating Darksteel Citadel to an indestructible 5/5 just does the job.
It goes more on my opponents, such as when they use Swords to Plowshares on their own creatures when I'm playing burn, to protect their life total.
>>49937944
Neat.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0l3dsHCScxU
>Love is a burning thing
>And it makes a fiery ring
>And I fell to desire
>I fell into the ring of fire
Let's dance, baby!
>tfw can't reach #F1

>>49946173
I think you meant this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8GyVx28R9-s
>If magic is all we've ever know
>Then it's easy to miss what really goes on
>But I've seen miracles in every way
>And I see miracles everyday

>>49946533
Coercive portal for early card drawing, since the deck relies a lot on top decking. That's about it for what I know, the main deck is pretty tight for current plan and eldrazi just made it kinda obsolete by being more efficient for mana.

Is there any miracles players here with any idea on how moat is in the board? I'm thinking of acquiring one when I go to GP Vancouver if there is one for trade there

>>49944239
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/13-03-16-ddft/

That list is my basic list. The main deck collective brutality could just be another duress depending on your meta. That sideboard is pretty specific to a meta of strictly combo, miracles and dnt, so you can tweak it. As for how aggressive you should be, depends a bit on the matchup. DDFT may be slightly slower than ANT, but you can push a turn 2 kill pretty easily, and against a deck like burn that's your best bet. Other matchups you look to wait as long as possible. However, you need to be more conservative with can trips than when playing ANT. Your can trips are effectively potential combo pieces, so think very carefully before you fire one off.

>whiteless commander involves cascade

MAKE WATERFALLS GREAT for once

This could be any number of deck themes. What do you guys think?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-3boieL96E

DragonForce is bae

>>49949203
Death and Taxes
>Far across the distant plains of ice we're searching for the sword
>I have traveled far and wide across this wasteland

>>49949203
Soldier stompy

Grixis Delver
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3jYcW1nEsGk

>tfw trying to reconcile cognitive dissonance after being demoted from DTB

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>>49935771
I'll just leave this here before the namefags and tripfags get filtered by everyone

>>49953043
I know this is bait, but we've been namefagging for a solid month at least and you're just trying to troll now?

>>49953529
at least he bumped the thread

>>49951410
>caring about what the source thinks

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/arrogant-bastard-bgw-deadguy/

Generic deadguy brew #3646473

Did I do anything full retard?

>>49953598
I don't see a ton of advantage to be gained by going 3 colors except abrupt decay and a marginally improved reanimator/dredge g1 matchup. I also think you should play lingering souls and more cabal therapies.

>>49953697
Cutting down to BW is spooky, but, hell, I'll take it. Bump up to 4x of each and go from there?

>>49953741
Worth testing. I've never really played dead guy but cabal therapy is a great card and your aren't getting good value out of it in this list since you want your creatures to stick around. Souls has good synergy with therapy and lili. I'd consider adding a 3rd lili. Cold even fuck with something like sinkhole if you want to try something new.

>>49953848
I'd probably bump up to four wastelands if I was going to go for land destruction. Has synergy with deathrite, allows me to wasteland t3 and still let me play a Lilli.

I'm losing Grim Flayer (obviously) with cutting down to BW, but part of me feels like that isn't too bad. I might wanna experiment with another creature in that slot, maybe new Thalia. Losing abrupt decay is scary, Vindicate just seems much, much, worse. Overall, BW seems like less of a drastic change than I expected.

>>49954878
Actually vindicate isn't much worse. It can destroy lands and shit. Fuck sinkhole. 3 mana should be fine with all your other cheap disruption

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>>49953598
Allow me.

First off, this deck is really hard to get right because it's so... Toolboxy? There's no right way to build it, but like most decks it has a couple key cards you want to automatically include.

Max out on Hymns and cut Cabal Therapy entirely; Deadguy doesn't have the synergy to maximize that discard spell. We care less about creatures than spells so you can comfortably replace Therapy with Duress. This gives you free reign to look at their whole hand AND pick anything you want, rather than trying to figure out what MIGHT stop you and hoping to snag it. Cabal Therapy is much, much stronger in decks where key cards straight-up stop their combos or in decks like Delver where they can be abused with Young Pyromancer.

I use pseudodiscard in the form of Hypnotic Specter because he sticks around and flies. Your opponent is going to feel bad wasting a Bolt or a Swords on a 2/2 Flyer but the point is they HAVE to or you will easily run away with the game on the back of card advantage.

You need to add 1 Karakas and 1 BG land. Karakas is going to save your ass ten times before Sunday, whether it's against Iona or Emrakul or Griselbrand. A BG land (Bayou or Overgrown Tomb) will give your Deathrites access to green against creature decks, giving you inevitability or at least lastability. If you can, replace Windswepts with Bloodstained Mires.

I use Dark Rituals to power out those turn 1 Hymns and Sinkholes. I only run 1 Liliana, but I can't call you out for running 3 Lilis and no Rituals. I would cut back on Stoneforges though, maybe run 3 or 2 instead of the playset. She's better in a Stoneblade deck where they have counters, etc.

tl;dr it needs work, but this is such a flexible and brew-worthy deck that you can get away with almost anything. Haven't tested Lingering Souls before.

+4 Sinkholes
+2 Hymns
+4 Duress
-4 Cabal Therapy
-2 Stoneforge
-4 Thoughtseize

Good choice in decks bro

>>49937904
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0WptignJ_qs

>look up Dragon Stompy lists on mtgtop8
>none of them have Dragons in them
>all of them are just Goblin Stompy decks even though they have the name Dragon Stompy

I feel like I was lied to

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welp.

this is it:
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y38Ec57yMG8

>>49955895
>descent
>descent of the dragons
Dragon Stompy?

>>49956253
>humpty
>humpty dumpty
YOU'RE NOT FOOLING ANYONE, CLYDE. I KNOW AN EGGS PLAYER WHEN I SEE IT.

What would RUG Delver's theme be?

>>49955923

>enchantress
>doesn't play yavimaya enchantress

>miracles
>keeps cutting miracle effects

>mud
>isn't dirty and/or wet at all

>>49956969
>keeps cutting miracles effects
I don't know why you'd want anything either than terminus and EtA, and the option to cut EtA is dependent on how that player likes to play

>MUD
>Isn't dirty and/or wet at all
Kek

>>49956485
>I KNOW AN EGGS PLAYER WHEN I SEE IT.
sorry breh. good guess, but it's more about the message than the aesthetic.

>stop what you're doin'
>cuz imma 'bout to ruin
>the image and the style that you're used to
>i look funny
>but yo i'm makin' money, see
>so yo world i hope you're ready for me
>now gather 'round
>i'm the new fool in town

what deck appeared a few years back and quickly became a top meta pick?

>>49955303
>hypnotic specter
Woah. Is... Is legacy slow enough to allow for Hypnotic Specter? I used to play The Gate a lot, your version of the deck is sounding a lot like it.

I'm not certain about cutting thoughtseize, but I'm used to playing modern decks where t1 thoughtseize was pretty much THE play. Is Duress really that good over Thoughtseize? Is Thoughtseize worth a sideboard slot?

I'll have empty slots for Dark Rituals, it could be nice to pop three in instead of the Vindicates I'm currently running.

Overall, I'm seeing a lot of different flavors of Deadguy, which makes sense considering what you said. The ones on the Source mostly seem like Rock-With-A-Lower-Curve, effectively. Yours seems more like Suicide Black/Pox/The Gate/MBA/You get the idea.

I'll tool around with the manabase, run your version, and then come back after some test games.

>>49957693
Keep Vindicate; I run a playset in my list but that's probably too many. I have 2 Thoughtseize in the side. I feel like my build is more based on denying the opponent card advantage and mana whereas yours is more a midrange mix with Stoneforges and Lilianas. I mean, I've got full playsets of Hymn, Sinkhole, Dark Ritual and Vindicate in the main. It's a pretty pox-ish list I suppose.

>>49957693
>but I'm used to playing modern decks where t1 thoughtseize was pretty much THE play.

That's because Modern needs to hit either Creatures or Planeswalkers, wereas Legacy you need to hit instants/artifacts.

At least, that's been my experience.

>>49958001
Thoughtseize hits everything, though, and in a two-color deck the life loss shouldn't matter too much.

>>49958819
I feel like the only decks that need to be playing duress over thougtseize are combo decks that care about their life total, like ant. thoughtseize should be fine in any midrange deck.

>>49958987

I've heard from people who play Pox say Thoughtseize is borderline unplayable in the deck due to the life loss.

>>49959412
Thoughtseize sees plenty of play in pox events.

>>49959655
*pox decks.

>>49959412
I just looked at mtgtop8 and the first 5 or so lists have 1-4 in the main

pox isn't exactly what I was thinking of when I said "midrange deck," although I will concede that my two categories of that and "combo decks like ant" was not a good representation of the format. I was thinking t1 thoughtseize t2 sfm/goyf.

>>49959412
Thoughtseize is good in most cases, Pox is one of the few decks that considers running Inquisition however. Duress is for sideboards or maindecks in combo decks.

>>49951410
The lack of large tournaments has led to an atypical DTB section this quarter.

>>49953570
Also this. The Source is a source of shit ideas.

>>49958001
>That's because Modern needs to hit either Creatures or Planeswalkers, wereas Legacy you need to hit instants/artifacts.
>At least, that's been my experience.

You're right on the money. Although, these days with the more creature-heavy decks running around make Thoughtseize an even better option.

Personally I still prefer Cabal Therapy for most decks but for more traditional Midrange straight discard is the stronger option.

Yep, looks like wizards will finish two cycles of the future sight lands. The question is which ones ?

>>49961404
Nimbus maze, cares about domain and actually fixes.

>>49961352

Depends on who's posting. Lots of stuff from there's really good, but it's worth it to test things before just jamming them because Someone on the Internets said it'd be a good idea.

I've seen (and proposed) some great and terrible plans.

>>49959412

Pox has two major problems.

The first is that if your opponent sticks more than one creature for a turn or two, you're SOL.

The second is that you genuinely need to worry about keeping up with your opponent regarding life-total, especially if they manage to stick a threat. There are ways to get around this, and the deck's got some arbitrarily great matchups against decks that want to have cards in hand or don't necessarily try to put more than one creature on the board at a time (Storm, Infect, Delvers), but generally I don't think Pox is all that strong, at least at this point.

I was scared of it back when I ran double-Petition in my storm list, but since I switched to double-Past in Flames, I've not had problems with it (at least, not in my small local meta).

>>49961550
Fair point. People do suggest dumb shit, but there certainly are a couple decent posters

>>49962250

I think a lot of it depends on the thread; I feel like people are more willing to help and/or more interested in talking about what works and what doesn't in certain places than in others.

Doesn't help that some people with genuinely good info are really difficult to engage. I post there a lot, but I won't claim to be an expert by any stretch of the imagination.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JxvKmq2H5KU

>>49936242

Old lists of The Cure tried playing with Grove but ultimately it just wasn't worth it.

Why is Death and Taxes so fun.

I just can't help but admire non-blue non-black control.

>>49963796

don't call dnt control ahhhh what the fuck are you doing

>>49963912
It's commonly referred to as control

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>>49963796
>control

>>49963912
>>49963963
>Not control

What would you call it then tempo?
Agro (lol)

>>49963912
>>49963963
>http://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/the-game/legacy-type-1-5/established-legacy/control/179856-deck-death-and-taxes
>establish-legacy/control/179856-deck-death-and-taxes
>control/...death-and-taxes
Some people do call it control

Really, though, it's a prison deck. That may or may not fall under the "control" archetype.

>>49963943
>>49964004

jund is control, because it has liliana
storm is control, because you discard stuff to therapy
burn is control, because you can't cast spells when you're dead

glad we went over that /tg/

>>49964041
You still haven't said what you'd classify it as.
Hell it's literally listed as control on mtgs. So please can you give an alternative to what you'd classify it as?

>>49964076

the deck is very... proactive about getting creatures out and tries to avoid interaction with mother of runes, vial, karakas, flickerwisp

it's very... aggressive about playing threats that cut or tax your resources so it can kill you with less resistance

it struggles if the opponent breaks out and gets going or deals with its threats, has to play topdeck mode for the entire game making it get considerably weaker the longer the game drags on

idk sounds control to me

>>49964145
So aggro?

>>49964145
Thalia = Force spike
Phyrexian revoker = counters spell with activated abilities
Mother of Runes = Counter target spell that targets creatures you control
Karakas = Unsummon

... so a control deck

>>49964145
It's main play though is to meme you to death by killing all your lands or keeping you at like 3 mana with a Thalia out to deny you wipes.
Resource denial sounds very control to me.

>>49964194

>Phyrexian revoker = counters spell with activated abilities
>Mother of Runes = Counter target spell that targets creatures you control

I am legit shocked if this is really how you think about magic

>>49964194
Thought-Knot Seer = Counter target spell in hand
Reality Smasher = Counter target spell in hand when targeted
Is eldrazi stompy "control"?
D&T is arguably not an aggro deck, as it does not simply try to overrun the opponent before they can combo out. Their creature suite is tuned for preventing the opponent from playing their game, which is what control/prison is about. The difference being that D&T's win-con happens to be turning those lock elements sideways.

>>49964609
Burn is a control deck.

sometimes

>>49964363
>if you can't interact with the stack you can't be a control deck

I'm guessing that's how you think about magic.

holy shit, am I in the modern general?

>>49965778
That was my thought as well.

Steering the thread in a better (still off topic) direction: What boards do you lurk other than /tg/?

>>49965794
The only other boards i go to are /sci/ and /b/. But /b/ is a hellhole and I hate it and go to it very infrequently. /sci/ is much the same actually, but with danker memes.

Aside from /tg/, I lurk mostly /fit/, /r9k/ and /vg/ (Dota 2 general). I tend to stay away from /mu/, even as a musician, because that board is hostile as fuck. And porn boards.
/tg/ is perhaps the nicest board I've been to, sans the /modern/ general.

>>49964004

Death and Taxes is just White Weenie with a new coat of paint, and all the weenies now have prison effects.

>>49965794
r9k

>>49965794
Mostly /k/ sometimes /ck/ if there is a cheese thread

>>49961352
>The lack of large tournaments has led to an atypical DTB section this quarter.

True, also I think they hate Delver at this point and did some finagling

>>49965794
>Steering the thread in a better (still off topic) direction: What boards do you lurk other than /tg/?

/fit/ , /pol/ , and /tv/. Sometimes /o/ and /k/. I try to be a Renaissance Man

>>49965794
/pol/ for my local news and laughs.

/aco/ on occasion

>>49967055

A big problem in the DTBs is that they often fail to combine categories for the same deck. They finally started combining "Berserk Stompy" with "Infect," but they sometimes forget to total that with "Berserk Poison." There are three separate categories for ANT: "Ad Nauseam Tendrils," "Storm," and "Ant" (and sometimes "Ad Nauseam Storm" or "Ad Nauseam").

So oftentimes the decks listed don't actually tally up properly; if you read the DtBs, make sure you are really discerning and that you check their work.

Regarding the argument over how to classify D&T, I tend not to think too much in terms of the "deck archetypes" when I think about Legacy. A lot of them don't really apply, or any given deck will qualify as two or three of the three categories of "aggro," "combo," and "control." "Midrange" means nothing, even outside Legacy.

I'd probably call D&T aggro-control, but I tend to lump prison strategies (and tempo, for that matter) in with control more broadly. Different strokes.

I used to go to a lot more boards than I do now. /tg/ is really the only one anymore, and I wouldn't likely be here if it weren't for the Legacy General.

>>49965794
D&T is a control deck and I won't stop till he admits it or I get bored.

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>>49965794
/b/ because I hate myself and memes
/tv/ because memes
/co/ because sometimes it's comfy, but lately it's been pure cancer
/sp/ to shitpost when my sports teams win
/lit/ because despite the fact that their heads are permanently embedded into their collective rectums they do know a fair bit about literature and can recommend tasty contemporary American fiction
/tg/ because this general exists. Thank you guys for being a real example of what a general should be.

>>49967353
>A big problem in the DTBs is that they often fail to combine categories for the same deck. They finally started combining "Berserk Stompy" with "Infect," but they sometimes forget to total that with "Berserk Poison." There are three separate categories for ANT: "Ad Nauseam Tendrils," "Storm," and "Ant" (and sometimes "Ad Nauseam Storm" or "Ad Nauseam").

Dang, was not aware of that at all! I've only started playing Legacy consistently within the past 6 months after reading stuff on here and mtgggoldfish. Only found about mtgthesource over the past three months.

>I'd probably call D&T aggro-control, but I tend to lump prison strategies (and tempo, for that matter) in with control more broadly. Different strokes.

I can see the logic behind that, it's always the three archetypes aggro - control - combo and then you can further look into each archetype of subtypes being draw-go and then prison, so on and so forth.


Also, midrange is a meme

>>49969834
>Standard Abzan Midrange
All seriousness, there has never been a worse meme than T1 fetch Thoughtseize, T2 fetch Rakshasha Deathdealer in Standard. I get nightmares thinking about it.

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>>49935771
>>MUD
>rare
nope

>>49970496
Eldrazi is basically a strictly better MUD so yeah.

>>49970496
I haven't seen MUD played in almost year now. Seems pretty rare to me.

>>49969834

Yeah, The Source is pretty good for some things, but it's like most sources (lol) on the web: needs to be vetted to make sure what you're reading isn't overlooking something.

Nothing against people who do this, but there's still a vocal crowd that favors Grim Tutor in ANT, in spite of the fact that it's demonstrably worse than any of its alternatives for anything but a T1-2 Empty the Warrens.

>>49970496
While I did see 2 MUD decks this weekend in the Eternal Weekend Trials, it was the first time I had EVER seen one in a tournament I attended.

>>49970792
Affinity is colorless too, does that make it a strictly worse Eldrazi deck?

>>49964004
aggro-prison

>>49965794
/pol/
/r9k/
/tv/

>>49971386
>Affinity is colorless too, does that make it a strictly worse Eldrazi deck?
Honestly? It probably does. I mean, it's why you don't see the deck.

>>49972711
I do think affinity is worse than the eldrazi deck but they're not the same deck. They do different things with different approaches to the game.

>>49971238
>Grim Tutor
I hated that card when I started playing ANT in 2014 and I still hate it now. Why people still play it is beyond me.

>>49936203
Need input?

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>show&tell puts down omniskill
>passes me priority

I don't even

are there any answers to omnitell that don't require the opponent to suck? I've been killed at instant speed in response to a reclamation sage trigger, I don't know what to do

>>49974515
Yeah. Im pretty set on playing not-pod, a local guy is doing well with it but i dont know exactly what i want in my list. I see some 4 of explorer and slme 3 of, i just dont know what is correct. I ordered 4 anyway

>>49975118
Always 4 explorers, 4 cabal, 2-3 deed
You'll find something that works, whether you want to run any GSZ, how many copies of each card and what cards specifically you want to run.
There's no real correct way to build a Nic Fit deck, aside from the core. I've played 4 colour with broodmates before and that was fun. Just experiment and see what works for you

>>49939011
As broken as duals? no? then no problem!

>>49971407
Aggro-control prison. There are matchups where you have to play the aggro role, such as Miracles or Shardless

>>49972929

Hey, man; it's beyond me, too.

To be fair to the people who advocate for it, I never tested the card. I just remember thinking about what happens when you hit it off Ad Nauseam. Or what happens when you need to use a Past in Flames loop.

>>49974823
>are there any answers to omnitell that don't require the opponent to suck?

What deck to you play?

>>49969914
>All seriousness, there has never been a worse meme than T1 fetch Thoughtseize, T2 fetch Rakshasha Deathdealer in Standard.

Man that was brutal.
I really liked the Standard after Theros rotated - the KTK/ORI/BFZ. It was essentially legacy lite with fetching for duals and then casting Cruise / Dig Through Time

If I wanted to replace nether void/the abyss in pox, what cards are viable?
I can't get either of those cards at the moment.
I have thought about trinisphere for nether void.

>>49976364
>What deck to you play?

Elves. I'm having real issues with omniscience doing ridiculous work for them even in response to ashen rider / reclam sage triggers.
I can't bring in krosan grip because if it's emmy (or emmy after omniscience) I auto-lose, If I bring in an Emmy just for the matchup I auto-lose to omniscience.
Show&Tell is juuuust fast enough that killing them before they go off isn't an option either,
The matchup is also waaaaay too common to just accept it as a real bad / borderline unwinnable one, if I just had something really specific to say "fuck you omniscience" that would be the best thing ever.

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>>49969914
>All seriousness, there has never been a worse meme than T1 fetch Thoughtseize, T2 fetch Rakshasha Deathdealer in Standard. I get nightmares thinking about it.

Swamp, Thoughtsieze you.

Swamp, Pack Rat, your go.

Mutavault, Underworld Connections my swamp, go.

Urborg, go. Pay one draw a card, make a Rat on your End Step. My go?

Swamp, Gary. Trigger?

>>49977338
I loved playing Esper control during standard that season, Despite me being shit at the game

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>>49977390
i was mono-blue guy. i fucking LOVE that deck.

>>49965794
/v/ because i hate myself and sometimes the absurd shit posting there can get some laughs out of me amongst the cancer. Also porn

>>49977499
I actually really liked that standard season and had fun playing mono Black and Esper, was gonna build mono blue but I never got around to it

>board in containment priest against d&t
>they never keep or draw vial

outplayed myself
still won because d&t without vial is free as fuck for memecles

>>49977053
post the rest of your list m8

>>49977312
Might not work for you, but I usually just bring in Bridge. Doesn't save you from a Iona on green, though.

Anything from the new commander decks seem legacy playable to you fellas? I'm not sure if Silas Renn has place in a U/B artifact deck but he looks like he could be sweet

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>>49981193
Maybe this one in a lands deck

>>49981532
I really really really like this card.

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>>49981193

>>49981841
Nice red card there.

>>49981850
These sorts of effects used to be blue. That card was first printed back in strlnghold.

>>49980635
Something along the lines of this, but without Nether Void, The Abyss and Tabernacle.
http://www.mtgtop8.com/event?e=11656&d=266455&f=LE

>>49981790
I like the flavor, though, wouldn't the Disk be far superior?

>>49982321
Oh absolutely. But the flavor and the name and everything really do it for me. I love coin flipping as a mechanic. Built a modern coin flip deck, and went 1-3 with it at a local tournament.

>>49981790
Haha, save it! It's all yours my friend.

Thanks Lori

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/27-10-16-nourishing-lich/

Any tips ? Money is not a issue because I only netdeck

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>>49981193

>>49983960
what the fuck is that real?

>>49983960
Time to brew!

>>49984523
Real as it can get.

>>49981532
>>49982321

Well, you can also tap it the turn it comes into play, which is a good benefit.

I wonder if you could make a Pox build around it, that deck has trouble dealing with Enchantments/Artifacts (hence the poor Miracles matchup).

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>>49983960
>I finished building DDFT just in time for this piece of spice

Holy
Fuck

>>49983960
>it gets banned before even arriving

>>49984606
>>49983960
I don't even think a 6 mana yawg will would be banned but it not having haste makes it so much worse. (at least MD)
Still a cool card.
>>49981193
grip of phyresis and armory automaton seem like borderline meta cards against stoneforge decks although smash still seems better for most decks that would want them.
Goblin spymaster could see play in goblin stompy if that still exists or R/W D&T

>>49985028
We'll just have to give it haste. I don't really expect this guy to be good, but we'll see.

>>49984989
I seriously doubt it. I'd be surprised if it saw any significant amount of play.

>>49985398
This, it seems too slow.

>>49985411
>>49985398
>>49985357
It's sideboard material at the least.
Pull it in G2/3 after they've boarded their removal out.
No haste is the dealbreaker really.

>>49984606
>>49985028
Predict+(Git Probe or Ponder) in hand
BBBU(U)

Anger
LED
LED
Magus of the Will
Burning Wish

DD, P, LED, LED, GP, Magus, LED, LED, GP, Wish, TOA for 10+ storm

It's doable at the least.

>>49985845
Can't you already make a pile under those conditions?
LED
Ideas unbound
Lotus Petal
LED
Burning wish

DD, P(naming wrong on opponent), LED, GP, IU, Petal, LED, Wish, TOA
That's only 9 storm, but assuming you cast a single card before doomsday that should be enough.
It's hard to imagine a DD pile where that would work but something else wouldn't.

>>49985845
>>49985845
Hmm well it certainly can be done. YOU can probably also do something with shallow grave and cracking led's to discard this guy. Seems janky but I like it. Not sure it's worth it in doomsday, but there might be a different sort of storm deck to be built around similar ideas.

>>49986328
That's the of what I'm thinking. There are normal ddft piles with similar starting costs that dont't require you to play multiple copies of predict.

>>49937904
https://youtu.be/vZknrOcKst8
For a deck I've been playing other than pox.

>>49957619
>I look funny
Totally Eldrazi.

>>49965794
Seems like I'm the only one that lurks /mu/, albeit occasionally.

>>49965794
Go on /u/ for her pet scans but the discussion is mostly terrible, used to go there a lot more. Occasionally go to every porn board except /e/ and /s/.

>>49986525
I go to /mu/ once in a while but usually it's just to shitpost my own band in relevant threads

I wished cascade was a thing in legacy. Such a fun mechanic.

>>49988506
>What is Shardless BUG

>>49988506
>I wished cascade was a thing in legacy.
When are you from?
>Such a fun mechanic.
There's nothing fun about the mechanic. It's fun in the "I get free stuff" Kind of way.

Well, who said they were going to finish the grove cycle is a fucking retard.

http://wizardsdeveloper.tumblr.com/post/152398580515/dual-lands-in-commander-2016

Well shit, a store started hosting a legacy night about ten minutes away from me, but the meta is 3 burn,1 Aluren,1 BR reanimator and 1 elves. Being on 4c loam is gonna suck

>>49988506

Google "Waterfalls" and "Legacy," friendo.

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>sign up for legacy
>40 minute g1 against lands, win, he concedes on turn 5 of turns g2
>lose to america twin with helm combo
>lose to affinity

just modern my shit up

JUST

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>>49991489
>play some Legacy at my LGS
>lose round 1 to Leylines
>lose round 2 to Oops All Spells
>lose round 3 to MUD Stax
For the love of CHRIST

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>>49991762
At least you didn't lose to fluctuator combo
>playing UB reanimator
>he starts to go off
>he makes 50 mana off songs of the damned
>exsanguinate for 30
>force it
>some sorcery that let him exile X creature cards from his graveyard and deal X damage, was going to hit me for 22
>use 2nd force and pitch the show and tell I kinda needed
>he casts fucking zombie infestation and pitches his whole fucking hand to make 9 zombies, kills me in one swing
>G2 Mull 3 terrible hands, cant find h8 cards, cant find combo pieces, he goes off before me lose

Its like getting beat up by the downs kid in middle school. Feels bad man

>sign up for Legacy
>Lose round 1 0-2 to Reanimator
>Get a bye
>Lose round 3 0-2 to Eldrazi
>?????
>1-2

>>49983960
I really appreciate how much the art resembles the original. "Yawg will magus?" Was literally my first thought when I saw the thumbnail

>>49990695

Play All Spells. It's cheap, and they won't have any answers.

>>49988150

I used to go to /mu/ quite a bit, but it's pretty toxic. And not in the grinding, lo-fi, buzzsaw-guitars way. It's a shame, too; I guess every board's going to have its share of dilettantes and jabronis, but nearly the whole board...

Anyway, I've got to stop posting before I've read everything to which I want to respond.

>>49992095
jenny death when

>>49991994

this is how I feel against show&tell or reanimator all the time, i'm drowning in massive pools of their slobber

>show&tell keeps 7 cards every time
>t1 tomb petal show&tell
>force it, they force it back
>they also have emrakul

>reanimator guy spends his first 2 turns casting 3 mainstep brainstorms with 0 shuffle effects
>they somehow end up with 2 lands+petal, entomb, exhume, 2 forces and 2 blue cards

How the fuck do you beat lands? Maze of ith/glacial chasm just fuck me up the didgeridoo until the loam-wasteland locks me out of the game

>>49994084
Don't play Minotaur Tribal for starters.

>>49994084

Countertop situations often lose you the game, anything that can bring out emrakul makes maze of ith worthless (the entire enchantress archetype is generally impossible to beat because you can't prevent rip+helm, marit lage being black really doesn't help), you have literally no way of preventing storm do goldfish you (glacial chasm doesn't prevent tendrils lifeloss). Graveyard hate is the #1 enemy, something like D&T can drop RIP and start wastelanding your shit and suddenly the roles are reversed. they also hate DRS like the fucking pest.

>>49994084
2x Surgical Extraction in the SB

Hit Loam where you can

>>49994084
What deck are you on?

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>Xmage German servers are still crashing every 10 minutes after a month of issues

>>49991994
I built fluctuator combo for a friend. I told him I would buy him into legacy for his birthday. He didn't believe me. He got a $50 fluctuate deck. It kind of sucks but is certainly capable of blowout wins, t1 or t2. I watched him crush a pox deck with it. Pretty hilarious.

>>49994084
>How the fuck do you beat lands?
sanctum prelate on 2
phyrexian revoker on molten vortex
eldrazi displacer

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Testing FatStrix as a 1 of, anyone else have something from C16 that you look forward to playing? Since it lets me cast them, I can even cast Chalices out of the GY, which is really sweet.

>>49999087
>Testing FatStrix as a 1 of, anyone else have something from C16 that you look forward to playing?

Grip of Phyresis is neat but too narrow for any deck I play

They played it safe for this particular Commander set. Some neat cards for Vintage though, like Silas Renn.

>>49999443
Also, Benefactor's Draught seems insane in Elves

>>49999087
>anyone else have something from C16 that you look forward to playing?

The artifact matters deck and the gay dudes commander (which has fucking oath+orchard) for kitchen table play with the gf. Neither of us have commander decks yet.

>>49997577
>>49994879
>>49994237
Can confirm

Bump from the grave. What page were we on?

>>50002012
>Bump from the grave. What page were we on?

No idea, I've been watching Eternal Weekend on Twitch. Legacy tomorrow lads

Cardtitan is hosting it. Just interviews right now, but Vintage is a lot of fun to watch. So many crazy things going on

>>49937680
Silas Renn isn't going for crazy pre-order prices but I think he's the eternal player bone. In Vintage he's absurd and he's nothing to scoff at in Legacy, either.

>>49935771
I want eggs, give me some eggs

>>49999087
I think yawgmoth's mage can be good SB tech on storm, after all, decks tend to side out removal against storm

Could you guys be so kind as to suggest some nice but budget combo deck ? Looking for something quick and fun when I can play legacy (which is not often) that is different from my Moon/prison deck. Ideally cheap/budget version since I am poor atm. Thank you.

>>50002527
lich

>>50002527
Sac land doomsday

>muh budget
What is the most expensive version of a popular legacy deck I could make?

>>50002749
I'd say probaby lands with alpha duals and foreign foils.

>>50002535
>Lich
Boi Lich is $1500 minimum

>>50002749
Vintage MUD

>>50002661
>Sac land doomsday

Have you played much with this deck? I'd love to hear what you think. Just recently I bought all the sac lands for a cool 8 cents each since I'll be holding off on LEDs for a while.

Guys at my store play decently competitive decks but are jonesing for more legacy players. I have DDFT without duals and LEDs so I thought I'd go for saclands. They seem so fucking janky though.

>>50002749
4 color landstill with alpha duals, japanese foil fetches.

It doesn't even matter how much the rest of the deck costs at that point although >>50002991
might cost more in the end.

>>50003564
If you're really interested in storm but can't afford the duals and LEDs, it's a good option. My experience with it is pretty limited, but it kills more reliably and is more flexible than plain ol' sacred land tendrils. It eats a dick to wasteland decks, so if your meta is all dnt, all the time, you'll eat many dicks. But if you're interested in DDFT it's a good budget starting point. It will get you in the mindset to play the real thing.

Casting animate dead targeting this thread

>>50006152
Any tips for playing with the saclands?

Why miracles doesn't why manlands ?

>>50006505
They cost too much mana and aren't fetchable, maybe a hard control deck could use them but it doesn't fit the usual miracles game plan

>>50006339
Don't bother playing around wasteland I guess? I don't think the lands themselves make much difference except that the mana base is worse. You don't sac them til you're combing out anyway.

So i've cut the one Void Snare from my sideboard in TES and i've decided to go with a spicy copy of Telemin Performance in the side. Also added in 2 Chain of Vapor as well for the universal bounce spell, it's not something I can get with Burning Wish but I don't think Leyline of Sanctity is abound everywhere anymore. I think this kinda helps with the reanimator matchup and against certain decks I can literally win by making them deck themselves as they mill every card(Lands). I'm slowly getting better with the deck!~

>>50006733
I love telemin performance. So spice. It's always in my Belcher board. I tried it in the board for DDFT but it was so spicy I never actually cast it.

Is cathartic reunion seeing any play in any legacy dredge builds? it's been fucking nuts in modern

>>50006982

It's a really weird line to go into but if you hit a Griselbrand or Iona against Reanimator you're guaranteed to have 7 more cards again or a lock on them.

>>50007052

Not sure. I don't imagine so because Dredge often has to run off of one land in Legacy. Great card, but probably not fast enough to be worth it. The other problem is that it competes with such stellar material in Legacy; Breakthrough and Careful Study are significantly better.

>>50007123
That's what I was thinking at first but the discarding as part of the cost is huge

>>50007063
Yeah it just never came up. Almost any time I could wish and expect the wished-for card to resolve against decks where it was relevant, I could just win with doomsday. I eventually cut ETW from the board for the same reason. If I knew I was going into meta full of relevant decks, it might find its way back in.

>>50003190
that's budget, right?

>>50006505
Doesn't really need them, and taplands are really awkward

>>50008762
"Yes"

Depends on your price range. Me, I can only afford Burn and Dredge. Anything with Underground Sea in it is bound to be real expensive. Miracles and Stoneblade are both around $2300-$2500.

>>50008994

I'm just fucking with you buddy, no worries

>>50006505
>>50006583
>>50008929

trying to do a manland beatdown is also gonna be some real garbage when you just cast swords on marit lage

>>50009043
Lands is so favored against miracles

>>50009072

I think miracles is super favoured against intuition lands and pretty even / slightly favoured against aggroloam, anon.

>>50009150
Gamble anon, intuition fell out of favor about 2 years ago.

What should I take to the SIB 2k this weekend? Miracles or Grixis Delver?

>>50010621
Grixis delver is cooler, but miracles is probably better.
My vote is for Grixis.

Win a Volcanic this weekend. Still have no clue what I'm playing.

>>50006583
>>50008929
>>50009043

Speaking of Miracles, do they really need the volcanics? I get that engineered explosives are better with them, but wouldn't steam vents suffice?

>>50014603
This is bait right? I mean feel free to use volcanic if you want to buy Duals are strictly better than shocks

>>50014678
Of no question about which lands are superior. This is just a matter of budget. I don't really feel like spending upwards of $1200 on lands that aren't seemingly essential for the deck. Obviously the deck wouldn't function without tundras, but Volcanics inclusions aren't so obvious.

>>50014718
You could just go U/W miracles, don't necessarily need the red splash

Let's get some new posts going.
What was the sneakiest and spiciest play you lost to?
I was playing Cnadian against Imperial Painter and the painter player only had Welder and Grindstone on board. I hardly played against the deck and he surprised me with an activation, hold priority, welder in Painter's Servant, saccing Grindstone for the win. I was bamboozled.

>>50014949
isn't welder worded explicitly to prevent that sort of thing with the whole both targets legal as the ability resolves clause

>>50014023
Went 1-3 drop. Deck bricked pretty hard on me, won game 1 in the first three rounds but faced Delver in 4th round and got dunked 0-2. Feels bad bro.

>>50016039
It should work, you activate grindstone, hold priority and use the welder to sac grindstone to get servant back. Then the grindstone activation resolves and mills everything.

>>50014023
Play dredge. You're dredge guy. You play dredge.

>>50016915
I see, I got it backwards, thought grindstone was done in response to welder not the other way around. Pretty tricky.

>>50016942
But what if I wanted to play a different deck

Cheating on camera.

Aka the typical miracles player

https://clips.twitch tv/cardtitan/VictoriousCockroachBloodTrail

>>50017270
>Aka the typical miracles player
T. Butthurt

>>50017270
I don't get people who cheat on camera. Like, how do you plan to get away with it?

In lighter news, just bought my first Unlimited dual land. Did I make a mistake?

>>50017270
Zach also recived a DQ for his sneaky shifty brainstorm. It's well deserved.
Also, that lands player punted so hard, but what can a mortal do in the face of a Stingscourger?

>>50018230
What is literally the only card that keeps me from winning next turn with my 20/20 indestructible flying dork?

Until China perfects his technique, the only eternal thing about Legacy will be remain its state of complete ded

>>50018266
...Swords? Lingering Souls tokens?

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>>50017270
You know, at least when I play I can't outright cheat my way into a win. The benefits of playing linear decks like Burn and Dredge is that they are stupidly hard to cheat with unless you can stick two cards together with Dredge and your opponent doesn't notice.

But WHY do people feel the need to cheat? It directly robs you of any feelings of success or conquest you might have had if you won. There is no feeling like winning a hard-fought game. Cheating just to get the W is just straight feelsbadman into your veins. I don't get it.

>>50018926
Yeah, I fucking hate cheaters and don't see the point. I honestly find it sad that people are so desperate to win and get praise that they have to cheat, but hey they usually only end up robbing themselves

>>50018266

Chain of Vapor.

>>50017261

Put the Drills to them. Medium-style.

Also, the gif in >>50018926 might be the greatest thing in the history of things.

>>50018099

I think they don't really care whether there's a camera. They just want to win, and I think there's a definite habit that forms in people who do it whereby they repeatedly get away with it to the point that they don't think they can. I don't think the record of it (i.e. footage) changes anything.

>>50014603

There's really no reason to run shocklands in Legacy. unless you're a Belcher player who's balling out of control.

The main uses for the Volc in Miracles, as far as I can tell, are to power Wear'n'Tear and Blood Moon. If you think you can do without those (I think you probably can, but I've never played Miracles), there's no reason to go into red.

>>50020161
Honestay I think there is very little reason to run a taiga in belcher. The 2 life almost never matters. Why spend 80 bucks on a taiga when 400 will get you a Russian foil Stomping Ground?

>>50004304
Different guy, but SacLands Doomsday actually seems really cool. I already have SacLands Tendrils built, what modifications would you recommend to fit in the doomsday package?

>>50020266
well I'm no expert on the deck but you need Doomsday instead of Dark Petition and PiF or whatever Sacland Tendrils is playing these days. Usually Sac Land Doomsday plays fewer eggs or none at all, although I'm not sure SLT even plays the eggs still. Also, unlike DDFT, which uses Ideas Unbound, SLDD probably needs Meditate and Infernal Contract because making UU can be difficult without Lion's Eye Diamond. Also, I think SLDD is more mana-hungry than SLT.

Time for me to admit it: I'm tired of running linear budget decks. I'm ready to branch out and try something new and exciting.

So, do I build ANT Storm or Deadguy?

>>50021204
Build DDFT

>>50021204

DDFT and ANT share a whole lot of the same parts. Depends on whether you like living dangerously and learning Doomsday piles or trying to figure out how to get ten spells out of a three- or four-card hand.

Deadguy Ale is probably in a much better position now than in years, but I don't know whether it's worth it to go that direction. I think you've probably got more useable pieces for Storm/Doomsday, though it looks like Wizards is doing its darndest to kill the decks.

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>>50021204
Obviously.

>>50021692
>>50021585
Mom, dad, I... I want to play a FAIR deck!

>>50022019
Okay... OK.
How fair are we talking here?
Now I can accept Zombardment fair or maybe even Lands fair.
Delver is where I draw the line though, your father simply couldn't take it.
Don't bother coming home again if you're going play shardless or jund.

>>50022214
>>50022019
Oh God, I think he wants to build DnT.
Nic Fit if you want to give your folks a heart attack

>>50022019
Well I guess ANT is out of the question then. Build dead guy. You can turn it into stoneforge decks with blue duals and force if you want to shake things up again.

>>50022019
>I want to play a FAIR deck

well I guess it's a good thing you didn't get real LEDs then

>>50022019
>Mom, dad, I... I want to play a FAIR deck!

Please name one fair deck in Legacy.

>>50025862
Deadguy
goblins
maverick
nic fit
merfolk
Lich

>>50025862
Jund, the fairest of them all.

>>50022019
>get into legacy
>decide i want to play a "fair" deck
>build junkblade
>every game vs. combo ends up like this:
>thoughtseize/duress in the opening hand or I lose
I still do pretty good with the deck most nights despite that. I have no idea how. My opponents always stall out and can't find combo pieces even though they goldfish perfectly 9/10 times

Atleast most of the deck transfers over to modern junk so I can make a few changes and play at modern night too

Top 8 Legacy for Eternal weekend, soon on twitch.

>>50026321
Do you have a list? I wanna compare junk blade to Esper Stoneblade, sounds neat.

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This isn't a Legacy deck, but I was wanting some input on what should be cut or added to make it better.

>>50027003
going off memory here because I don't have my cards with me

4x DRS
4x stoneforge
4x tarmogoyf
3x bob
3x lingering souls

3x lotv

4x abrupt decay
3x STP
1x toxic deluge
1x council's judgment

2x inquisition
2x thoughtseize

1x batterskull
1x SOFI
1x jitte

2x sylvan library

21x lands (2x of duals, 1x of each basic, singleton karakas, 2x wasteland, fetches)

SB is something like
2x duress
2x hymn
2x choke
1x pithing needle
2x containment priest
2x surgical extraction
2x thalia
1x toxic deluge

that's only 14, I'm blanking on the last card

>>50025662
Alright infect guy, I see you. You ain't Tom Ross.

>>50027075
Is your goal to burn your opponent or to control them? You can't do both.

>B/R reanimator top 8

HOW

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>>50027075
As someone who plays only Standard, this is outright the coolest deck I ever saw.

>>50027916
>>B/R reanimator top 8
It's an alright deck despite people parroting that the blue version is better.
More surprised by jeskai eldrazi, anyone have a decklist?

>>50027773
It's meant to make people suffer for doing basic shit in the game. Like playing it. It amuses me.

>>50027991
Why thanks. I still feel like it's missing something though. And I just don't know what. Maybe just Lightning Bolts, but I don't know if anything else might be more beneficial.

>>50025862
Burn.

>>50028011
Nahiri and Control. That's the entire deck.

>>50028011
http://www.cardtitan.com/coverage

>>50028079
You should cut the world fires and seething songs and maybe spellshock and play eidolon of the great revel and bolt.

>>50028088
Most of the time, a good burn deck is a coin toss. So, pretty fair.

But, in time Chandra the Mind Sculpter might prove to tipping that scale in the future.

>>50028097
I saw it on camera though and it was an actual eldrazi deck though, like with eye of ugin and eldrazi temple.

>>50021204
TES.

>>50028109
Thanks.

>>50027075
>sol ring x 4
>to turbo out shit-for-nothing cards
absolutely disgusting, I hope you have fun with it, because it'll only ever be successful at triggering your opponents

>>50020215
There are lots of scenarios where it matters, sketchy keeps vs burn, grove+marit lage, delver needing to attack six times instead of seven when you're rebuilding after fow, making storm's life easier.

>>50028116
Eidolon Revel is easier to get rid of than Spellshock. And I'm thinking about adding in a playset of Lightning Bolts. We'll have to see. And Worldfire is a game ender if I O-Ring one of my ping enchantments.

>>50028157
The only reason Sol Rings are in the deck is because of the competitive level of my group. Any deck that can benefit from Sol Rings gets them.

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>>50028200
if the competitive level is so high so warrant 4 Sol Rings, why is the rest of the deck so bad?

>>50026321
>My opponents always stall out and can't find combo pieces even though they goldfish perfectly 9/10 times
That's because your opponents are bad.

>>50027334
Why not trim a Library and a SFM to run 4x Thoughtseize 2x Therapy?

6 T1 discard spells is usually considered optimal, right?

Was there actually pocket chocolate? I looked away then chat went wild.