/edhg/ MTG/EDH General

>>49932633
Not excited for partner. It's neat, but seems awful.

>>49932626
Boring
>>49932633
Cop out
>>49932645
A little busted

Sold on Atraxa. gonna have so much fun with her.

>>49932690
My biggest complaint about it is that it's not backwards compatible.

>>49932690

4 color commanders are awkward, so I can see the idea behind partner.

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>Atraxa
Superfriends, here I come

>>49932633
Gee Bill, how come your mom lets you have TWO commanders?

So the themes for decks are

>WUBR Artifacts Matter
>UBRG "Chaos"
>BRGW "Aggression"
>RGWU Group-hug
>GWUB Counters

>>49932714
>>49932715
But you just KNOW one of the products will release something insanely busted.

>>49932703
I don't think an always-online Return to Dust that costs 1 more mana and is in 2 colors is busted.

It's absolutely good, but not busted.

>>49932740
Not really

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VERY EXCELLENT MUSTACHE

>>49932686
jesus fucking christ they made that tripfag's OC into reality

>>49932709
>black partner
yeah you would like a black partner wouldnt you lmao

>>49932626
The other thread isn't even done, faggot.

I wonder if the pardner affects deck size. Or do you have 99+2?

>>49932761
Ayyyyyyy

>When the full decklists become available, you may notice that we did some unusual things with the mana bases. We normally don't put rare dual lands in Commander preconstructed decks. We prefer to put those types of cards into products intended for a wider audience, such as our main booster releases or Masters products. We knew that four-color decks presented a special challenge for getting access to all of your colors of mana, so we spent some time identifying rare dual lands that we didn't think we'd want to put into booster packs in the near future. We put a few of those cards into the Commander 2016 decks to help the decks run smoothly.

>>49932761
I hate this mechanic already. It's basically always going to say costs 3 less with the potential of costing more

>>49932761
So a wrath that's gonna cost 4 mana in most games

>>49932766
903.5a. Each deck must contain exactly 100 cards, including its commander.


So I guess 98 + 2.

>>49932766
98+2 for partner commanders, read the articles.

>>49932765
Eh, I got trigger happy. I'm sure entire economies will now crumble.

>>49932766
I hope it's 98+2, making a deck 101 cards would make me cringe.

>>49932775
I'm... iffy on it. I like the idea of cards that are 'better' in multiplayer, but I don't like that they just get worse as the game goes on.

>>49932774

fetch

fucking

lands

baby

>>49932761

>Worse than Day of Judgement, a Wrath that's already not worth running

Why fucking bother?

>>49932774
So... not-shit mana bases?

>>49932804
I mean, technically 3W is easier than 2WW.

>all of this jank
Bravo Wizards

>>49932815

It's too fucking 'spensive.

>>49932803
The only way they'd put fetches in the decks is if they put like... a maximum of one Khans fetch.

They know better than to put ZEN fetches in these decks because then they'll get bought out entirely by people who just plan to pay 35 dollars and sell one card from the deck for 45, rather than people who want to PLAY the decks. They learned their lesson after TNN.

>>49932803
Not happening.

>>49932774
Can't wait for Odyssey filter lands and checklands

>>49932774
>potential enemy fetch reprints
H Y P E
Y
P
E

>>49932626
Welp, I have a new Voltron commander

>>49932828
it gives haste though. could be decent for reanimating annihilators and stuff

i agree it's not great though

>>49932774

Preparing for

Finished Lair cycle and filterlands

>>49932751

It says so on the fucking Wizards website.

http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/card-preview/designing-commander-2016-edition-2016-10-24

>>49932877
Not really

http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/news/commander-2016-edition-packaging-2016-10-24

Entropic Uprising is a good name.

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>>49932865

The effect is worse than Torrent of Souls and it's not like that card is anything above decent-ish.

Adding land-cycling and subtracting the +2/+0 wouldn't do any kind of damage.

>>49932723
>More form Ludevic.
FUCK YEAH! The SCIENCE team is back baby!

>>49932937
To be fair, Torrent can only get back your stuff. The new one can also get their stuff.

>>49932939
Ludevic confirmed for being the 4 color legend of the deck. Buckle up faggots, we science now

So how does command beacon work?

I hope we get 3 color Partner commanders next year so we can do 5 color with them.

>>49932963
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oyAP6PpAzK8

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intredasting

>>49932963
>You

>For all the new two-color legendary creatures, Ethan and his designers worked with the creative team to find cool characters from the past that had yet to have their own Magic card. The four-color creatures were made as new characters, but each from known Magic worlds.

>One of the characters that players have been clamoring to have as a card is Ludevic, one of the mad scientists from Innistrad. Ludevic is getting printed in Commander (2016 Edition) as a blue-red legendary creature.

http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/making-magic/howdy-partner-2016-10-24

>>49932963
So would he be Yore-Tiller or Glint Eye?

>>49932998
That's a good artifact

>>49932998
>enters tapped
No

>they didn't just fucking errata the Nephilim
Who are they possibly going to alienate by doing that?

>>49932626
So far it seems I can keep my money.

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>>49932752
Brb
getting my warpaint on.

>>49932948
Plus the added utility of basic landcycling. I'm excited to have that effect on cards that aren't Sylvan Bounty and Absorb Vis.

>>49932723
No, please, keep printing UR spell-related legends. My Mizzix deck can't afford to run Heroes' Podium until you get just two more.

>>49932633
Not. Red. Enough.

>>49932998
Holy shit. The absolute madmen! I love this card.

>>49932998
>Tapped
>Gilded Lotus doesn't
Fags

>>49933010
Retards who thought they would

Can't wait to add white to my grixis artifact list

>>49932999
My bad, I should have posted the source, thanks anon. Also checked

>>49932998

Bretty cool

These all look fucking terrible.

>>49932998
I like it

>>49933010
Faggots like you who didn't want unique Legends and just wanted some boring reprints.

>>49932999
>They STILL aren't making a proper Ludevic card.
Well I'm not mad, this gives us another colour in his repertoire.

Oh wait, theymade art for him in SOI, and we never got a card to go with it...now I'm mad.

>>49933036
Welcome to post Innistrad MTG

>>49933040
>implying the Nephilim aren't unique
These are all bad, my guy

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>>49932626
Post yfw Urza is in the not-green deck

>>49932626
That angel is fucking amazing.

>>49933059
>Implying
None of the nephilim had anything going for them besides their colors except the blackless one. They're deathly boring.

>>49933059
If we got "Nephilims: but with Legendary attached to them!", they would not be unique. They would be a reprint of the Nephilims. You can still run Nephilims in your decks, and your lgs will almost assuredly allow them to be commanders. These are completely new options.

>>49932725
>Bringing back fucking Flanking

Literally who asked for this?

I just hope they complete a Future Sight landcycle.

>>49932733
Underrated post.

>>49933080
I did

>>49932963
>Ludevic confirmed for being the 4 color legend of the deck. Buckle up faggots, we science now
Jesus my dick can't get any harder.

>>49932869
I would be a-ok with this.

>>49933080
I did, sorry.

>>49932626
>4/4 for 4cmc
Good start.
>Ability word salad
I mean, I guess I can understand it and it's not unwelcome.
>Free proliferate
Neato.
>With no ability that places counters
Uhh... you what now?

I guess you're supposed to jam shit that benefits from proliferate, and that's it?

>>49933080
What's wrong with flanking, nigger?

>>49933111
Yeah. Deck revolves around counters. Will be good for Superfriends -Chandra

>>49933080
Telim Tor

>>49933111
To be fair, the four colors you have access too give plenty of options to benefit from proliferate. This is pretty much a suitable Superfriends commander for those who don't want to shell out 60 bucks for an Angus while wanting to play with Lillys and Sorins.

Besides, you can make good use of her abilities with Time Walk :^)

>>49933080
Better than banding coming back

Ok time to brew

>>49932633
Give him double strike and play lots of eggs?

>>49932723
Not really build-around is it?

>>49932725
Probably good token commander? Make small dudes and go to town.

>>49932752
Builds itself, obviously.

>>49932626
This one is the most open-ended, you can go superfriends, infect, +1/+1 counters shenanigans or even win through stuff like Helix Pinnacle or Darksteel Reactor.

>>49932626
>>49933111

Let me fix this guy.

1GWUB

5/5

Flying, Vigilance, Deathtouch, Lifelink

At the beginning of your end step, Proliferate, then Populate

>>49933080
Flanking is great, what are you on about?

>>49933111
Superfriends, counters, infect.
Or energy.

>>49933147
Plus she's great with the original Witch-Maw

>>49932981
Exactly as it says. You sac Beacon to put your Commander into your hand from the Command Zone. The primary use is to cast your Commander on the cheap if the tax has gotten too high, but it can also be used for more esoteric reasons (clearing bad counters from a Skullbriar, casting a Phage without it killing you, casting a Haakon by getting it into your hand so you can discard it)

>>49933157

Well it is called praetor's voice, so it would infer poison and -1/-1 counters.


Why did they take out red when making a Phyrexian commander? I know Umbarask is presumed dead, but so is Sheoldred.

>>49933209
I mean, Proliferate was literally the mechanic introduced alongside Infect.

>>49933209
Red has the least amount of counters compared to others

>>49933209
>Why did they take out red
Because Urabrask rebelled. He allowed Mirrodin natives to hang around his Furnace Sphere because red is rebellious. Sheoldred got put down for her ambitions- Urabrask got put down because "red" is a pretty non-Phyrexian color.

>>49933226

I know. I am talking about fluff.

What I wanna know is how in the hell do partners synergize?
How does >>49932633 and >>49932752 work if one's an artifact reanimator and the other's a beater? How does a card drawer like >>49932723 and a low power beat stick like >>49932725 co-operate?

>>49933209
>presumed

>>49933209
Article by the design guy said that Urabrask "doesn't work well with the other Praetors."

>>49933236
>Sheoldred got put down for her ambitions
I'm unaware of this development, when did this happen and by who?

>>49933238
They don't. But you know someone's gonna try.

>>49933238
We'll see when we get the others...there's about 6 left.

>>49933209
>Creatively, Atraxa is an Angel created by four of the Praetors of New Phyrexia. Urabrask, the red praetor, doesn't cooperate with the others, so he wasn't involved in the process. Atraxa was created to be the perfect envoy.
Source is one of the articles today.

>>49933209
>He didn't realise Urabrask was the one with a white ability while other praetors had black ones

>>49933238
For >>49932633 and >>49932752, equipment deck, maybe?

But I saw more synergy the other way.
>>49932725 and >>49932752 Could be a gnarly punchy deck.

>>49932626
White: flying, vigilance, lifelink, Angel. Black: deathtouch, Horror. Blue: proliferate. Green: ???

>>49932752
I can't believe it. They printed him. My fucking dream come true.

Bruse Tarl!

>>49933258
>>49933259
I just hope there's some synergy in these partners. At least Flankman and Moustache seem to work together with their combat tricks.

>>49933238
>How does this creature with combat damage triggers synergize with a creature that gives Double Strike?
How indeed.

Mostly you're going to just pair these two together to expand Silas' color identity. UB artifacts is ok, but it's improved by adding white for Enlightened Tutor and red for Goblin Welder.

>>49933257
http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/uncharted-realms/lost-confession-2013-09-11

Elesh Norn basically 'took over' as the dominant Praetor and laid waste to Urabrask and Sheoldred's domains. Both are assumed dead.

>>49933287
deathtouch and proliferate are also green. Not a mean thing, but present in green yes.

>>49933287
Deathtouch is a green ability

>>49933183
I think he meant with the stupid partner commanders, which the answer is you get one of them, not both.

>>49933296
>Flankman and Moustache
This sounds like a cheesy public domain superhero duo.

>>49933301
>2013
and to me New Phyrexia is a "recent" set. where did the time go.... thanks anon

>>49933301
Latest article implies Sheoldred and Urabrask are alive

>>49933238
The double strike guy seems like a decent combo with the deathtouch saboteur guy.
Silas renn also goes well with the evasion granting sidar.

>>49932723
This partner is rare

>>49932725
This partner is mythic

that tells me two sets of partners

that plus >>49932999

ITS HAPPENING FOLKS

>>49933287
Proliferate. Green is Proliferate.

>See this
>Tempted to break down my Skeleton Ship and Abzanfenza decks and go full WUBG

Depends on how the full decklist for her goes. Definitely getting the Counters and Chaos decks, maybe Artifacts too.

>>49933259
There's actually 15 partners in total, there's more. Those are from different decks so they don't immediately synergize but we can always try building something.

>>49932752

Can't wait to add to Aurelia.

>>49933313
I'm just hoping to god I can make a Partners deck and play it like they're buddy cops.

>>49933143
>>49933147
>>49933169
I mean I can see that, but it's a bit strange to see an angel with a laundry list of relevant combat abilities and one build-around ability that takes it in a totally different direction. I'd almost liken it to red Akroma, which got "can't be countered" and a fairly high morph cost.

It feels like they were really taking a shotgun approach to design.

>>49932714
Who should be Errata'd with Partner?

>>49933343
>15 partners in total
So 10 that two color and 5 that are monocolor?

>>49932752
I hope that Gruul howdy pardner is gonna be token related, so I could make this guy with him leading my Naya tokens in place of Rith

>>49933077
>your lgs will almost assuredly allow them to be commanders
People who assume this will almost assuredly get butthurt.

>>49933375
5 Allied Pair and 10 Enemy Pair, read the fucking article

>>49932999

>>49933354
>One's a noble warrior from a time long past
>The other herds plant cows
>Together they're...
>FLANKMAN AND MOUSTACHE

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>>49932626
I wanna fuck that

>>49933337
http://magiccards.info/query?q=O%3Aproliferate+c%21g&v=card&s=cname
Exactly 1 green card with proliferate

>>49933052
Read Maro'so article you fucking faggot. They are revealing Ludevic later on.

>>49933375
10 that are enemy color pair, 5 that are ally color pair.

Reading the fucking articles is actually useful.

>Ben Hayes, the lead developer of Commander 2016, really liked partner and suggested that they increase the number of creatures with partner per deck. He did this by adding a second enemy color legendary creature with partner. (They chose an additional enemy color creature because Magic has a lot more legendary ally two-color creature than enemy.) That way each deck now had three different options for its commander—the four-color creature or two different combinations of the partner creatures, the ally two-color creature along with one of the two enemy color two color creatures.

http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/making-magic/howdy-partner-2016-10-24

>>49933399
It's not about proliferate; it's about counters.
And green cares about counters.

>>49933287
Vigilance is secondarily in Green after White.

>>49933287
Vigilance could be green nowadays, as well as proliferate.

>>49933324
These cards can come from any time period, including before they were killed. I don't think the article implied they were currently alive.

>>49933386
>>49933404
>>49933405
There is no need to be upset.

>>49933287
Blue:Flying
White:Vigilance
Green:Deathtouch
Black:Lifelink

>>49933373
I'm not saying things should be, but this is parisitic design. It doesn't work with existing cards, and it's unlikely they'll print more Partner cards in the future.

>>49933449
>Get corrected
>H-ha, y'all are so butthurt

>>49933387
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FXsWm9KTsfw

>>49933469
I never said any of that,but evidently I am dealing with someone who has difficulty forming rational responses and always acts on whatever he thinks has been said by one of his peers.

I'm only interested in the RWBG deck. All the others have blue which I dont play. I hope its worth it. If its shit I'll never have a quad deck.

>>49933467
>It doesn't work with existing cards, and it's unlikely they'll print more Partner cards in the future.
just like experience last time?
Or energy for the current block? I mean its fine if the mechanic is done well. Just view them as a two card-commander, thats it.

>>49933419
>"Green is proliferate"
>Show that green isn't proliferate
>"Green is counters"
Ok, but that doesn't change the fact that green was shoehorned into the mana cost just to be 4 color

>>49932743
This really didn't happen last time, or the time before.
The last truly busted card was True-Name Nemesis. Containment Priest and Blade of Selves are great but not "must buy all copies of this product" great.

Man, if you try and run a THG game with Partners, things are going to get rather confusing, rather quickly.

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>>49932626
Baby I have big plans for you.

>>49933494
Fuck are you even going on about

So commander tax with partners just means each one has its own tax regardless of how many times the other has been cast? That seems a tad op so please somebidy tell me i'm wrong

>>49933495
Nice blog, fag. Lol

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>>49933467
>It doesn't work with existing cards
But they're printing 15 partner cards. Surely that's enough to give you options.

And they only need to work with other commanders; the rest of the deck does need to be able to (and wont) synergize with partner.

Although, this does bring up a question about lieutenant cards.

>>49933494
what the fuck man? Just stop, you got your answer, now we can continue having a proper discussion.

>>49933495
What a narrow way of playing.

>>49933399
Yep. Still green though. The same way Exalted is now WUBG.

>>49933269

He's also deaded, so of course he can't cooperate.

Red is pretty explicitly the least phyrexian of all colours

>>49933500
And here you have reached the issue with printing four-color commanders: everything that can be done in four-colors can also be done in three.

The green fits. It doesn't need it, but it fits.

>>49933545
>>49933459
I'll concede that black is also lifelink, blue is also flying, and green deathtouch is a thing, but if you took away green this card would still be on-color, which you can't say for any other color on this card

>>49933532
Pretty sure it just means that as long as you control one of them, you get the bonus, though having two will make it easier to keep one around.

Is it too late to call a WB Knight with Protection and Partner?

>>49933532

The interaction with Lieutenant is pretty obvious.

Both partners are your commander, so if you control either you activate lieutenant.

Lieutenant doesn't say "For each Commander you control" so if you control both you'll still only get the bonus once.

>>49932774
>Mana Confluence, City of Brass and rare-upgraded Gemstone Cavern
>Praise our generosity goyim!

>>49933549
>Urabrask, the HIDDEN
>dead
Nice try Urabrask

>>49933559
Welcome to 4 color design.

>>49933562
>>49933565
Right, it's simple how it works, but my point was it's going to make lieutenant a more powerful mechanic.
Imagine stuffing a deck with lieutenant, and every time an opponent removes one of your commanders, you get it back before the other one leaves.

>>49933496
>just like experience last time?
Experience at least works with proliferate

>>49933567
I would be fine with those but they're just 3 lands, they will surely reprint more stuff or complete some Future Sight cycles and Lairs

>>49933571
He knows
Shut it down

>>49933559
4 color is more defined by what it doesnt have than what it has.

>>49933567
Those are good cards. The fuck do you expect?

Fetchlands are balls in commander due to the shuffling and it isn't like they are gonna put shocks in them, so they will only be able to fetch basics. Completely pointless.

>>49933269

They can't even keep up with their own shitty lore.

>Urabrask and Sheoldred are presumed to be killed by Elesh Norn
>Jin-Gitaxias is an autist who thinks other Phyrexians are fools and only he can create perfection
>Vorinclex doesn't care of anything else except for his next meal

Yes, they all came together and made an angel.

>>49933549
Commander stuff likes to pull things from the past, so it doesn't necessarily mean Atraxa was created just now. Just look at C14, Jazal and Freyalise are both dead but got cards, and Ob's a demon but was shown as a human.

Atraxa could have been created shortly after the Praetors took control rather than after all Elesh started to ethnically cleanse an ethnic cleansing.

Having 2 commanders is going to be busted as fuck

New color options for strategies that didn't have the options before

>>49932998
It's a worse gilded lotus in 3color decks and barely better in 4color.
Only truly good in 5color.

>>49933600
That doesn't mean the angel couldn't have been made before they started their civil war

>>49933589
The primary issue is that you can still only use four colors worth of Lieutenants, which is nice, but only 4 cards. So still not entirely viable.

>>49933589
Are any of the lieutenants worth running though?

I never see them outside of someone using a precon

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Alright, so the last time I went to my LGS for commander night I got solitaire'd on both games trying out a newish Gruul deck (One was playing Daretti Stax, the other some Mono-black commander focusing on saccing and recurring Kokusho). I'm gonna keep that deck and make it more rampy/stompy, but in the meantime I want to make a deck that's a big fuck you to other players, so Rakdos seems to be my best bet. Probably gonna go with Big Nig Kaervek at the helm, anyone got any spicy Black/Red tech that works with him?

>>49933620
the green one is alright

>>49933600
>Yes, they all came together and made an angel
1-Atraxa could've been made before the praetor civil war, explaining Urabrask not helping and 2-Who said they did it without Elesh Norn bossing them around because she got the upper hand on the other praetors? It's an angel after all, a white creature type.

Okay, so will partner be balanced? What's the verdict on the spoilers so far? Halp pls

>>49933637
French EDH is fucked

>>49933620
The green one is OK, and the others are decent in tribal at best. They are all way overcosted though.

>>49933637
Its all jank.

>>49933637
The idea is that you get two commanders but they are by themselves weaker than a normal one

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simic being simic

>>49933637
No, magic is dead, and you should sell all your cards right now for as cheap as possible.

>>49932733
criminally underrated

>>49933600
>they all came together
Butanon none of them have genitalia.

>>49933650
A refund for my stroke of genius? Nice

>>49933600
>>49933601

Ok, but why did the near mindless Vorinclex decide to come? Jin-Gitaxias also doesn't co-operate with others; one of the reason Elesh didn't kill him is because he is holed up in his lab trying to do everything by himself.

>>49933661
Nobody gives a shit about shitty humour

>>49933637
Flankman and Moustache synergize well
Metal Man and Moustache synergize kinda-sorta
Metal Man and Zomboss synergize thanks to Grixis Artifacts
If >>49933650 is legit, Zomboss and Army Girl synergize well

>>49933637
Partner is most definitely not broken. I can't think of any situation where having 2 commanders instead of 1 would give any significant advantage, apart from giving you two sources of commander damage.

>>49933650
Love this card way more than the other partners so far. Feels like a card that can stand on its own strengths.

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>my faces when the partner mechanic

>>49933650
Looks very exploitable and it can be played on Kruphix easily, nice.

>>49933637
We need to see at least three partners from the same deck to judge their balancing, partners from different decks together seem very janky so far like the equipment deck with >>49932633 and >>49932752

>>49933650
I'm trying to imagine ways we could explain the partnerships flavorwise, and apparently my brain came up with the mental image if her dating a two-headed flying zombie for Temur.

>>49933687
I'm expecting alters with this real quick

Tiny leader might finally get a sultai commander

>>49933594
That must mean not-red was the easiest to design

>>49933698
>Kruphix sends emissaries to other planes to achieve maximum enlightment
>Kydele goes to Innistrad and hooks up with a two-headed skaab
Imagine the children

>>49933709
ded meme is ded

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>>49933617
>>49933620
Okay, I admit I hadn't realized there was only one lieutenant for each color, but there are a few other cards that syngerize with commanders.

(Not a lot of them, actually, the more research I do.)

>>49933612
Not barely, any combination. In 4 color, tapping for RRWG instead of GGGG is a big deal.

so do we know which partners will be in which decks together?

>>49933717
We have tiny leader events every two week here

>>49933687
>COME ON AND SLAM.

I cant wait to brew up a biggie smalls deck

>>49933717
>Imagine the children
ECH!

>>49933717
There'd be heads and arms everywhere!

>>49933735
>Flankman don't work with the from Kaladesh trains
SHIET!

Guess that means we won't be doing this any time soon
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s9nP1_x5Asg

>>49933534
I just dont enjoy the color. I dont like how it plays or what it does. Are you saying I should play it even though I dont find it fun?

>>49933679
>complaining about memes on 4chan

>>49933775
At least Moustache works with them, and he's on colors for vehicles.

>>49933798
Well blue does a lot of things besides counters and draw, you could try but whatever floats your boats.

>new cards are neat
>Show no mana fixing outside of a shit artifact
We don't care about all this crap.

New Commanders are nice and all, but we're looking for cards to make life better, not build new decks.

>>49933650
Oh look, now you can splash B and W for extra fuck yous in UG and cast a good commander without having to worry about the other half of the colors!

>>49933798
The idea that colors are so strictly defined that you can find nothing worthwhile in them, even when they share a color with other colors is absurd.

I don't like white, but Ayli is a fun commander. And I certainly wouldn't avoid a 4 color that has it in it, as though it somehow cheapens the rest of it.

I for one am very glad I will finally be able to run a Brothers Yamazaki deck.

>>49933821
I am looking to build new decks.

I don't need more staples I have to stick in every deck from now on.

>>49933821
Keep your "we" to yourself

>>49933821
>>Show no mana fixing outside of a shit artifact
And you missed Kydele completely.

>>49933835
Sorry pal but partner doesn't work like that

>>49933821
>we're looking for cards to make life better, not build new decks
>when at least half of /edhg/ has Chronic Deckbuilder Syndrome

>>49933855
Why wouldn't partner work like that?

>>49933373
Brothers Yamazaki

>>49933827
I'm avoiding it because whats the point? I would just take all the blue cards out and replace them with other cards. Why have a deck that splashes only for the commander? There are some multicolor cards that have blue that are interesting but it is almost always because they are gold cards. Which dont really count.

But yes I dont think I have ever found a mono blue card that I liked and in any way wanted to play.

>>49933866
The mechanic says if you're using two commanders both need to have partner. Yamazaki brothers don't have it.

>>49933888
So if and when Brothers Yamazaki is errata'd with Partner, they would have partner, correct? Or are you just incapable of understanding something as a hypothetical?

>>49933928
expect it wont be errata

>>49933928
There won't be any errata

>>49933928
>Or are you just incapable of understanding something as a hypothetical?
Only when I don't have knowledge related to the affirmative like you thinking Brothers Yamazaki will get errata'd with Partner.

Not that I wouldn't like it, but it's unlikely to happen.

>>49933928
>Errata'd to add a mechanic.

Literallly will never happen.

>>49933508
Why?

>>49933928
>if and when
>when
Never. Wizards doesn't care and neither does anyone else

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>>49933650
>Eldrazi, X-Draw Spells, muh Lorescale Coatl

And this is just a Partner. Can't wait to see the other other Simic half.

they could remake the brothers yamazaki with a different name and the partner mechanic or something. would be fun

bushido is better than flanking anyway

>>49933947
>>49933950
>>49933958
>>49933955
>>49933972
Again, it's the "If" part that you guys seem to not understand.

Plus, I now have cards I can go to my playgroup with and say "Hey, I run a Brothers Yamazaki deck, while they don't have partner, partner is a mechanic, would it be alright if I played them as such?"

>>49933976
Hell she works really well as mana fixing with Kraum.

I too want to see the other Simic half.

Why are people arguing about errata'ing partner onto Brothers Yamazaki? Just house rule it like everyone else did with Nephilims, they're garbage as commanders anyway.

>>49933997
You said "if and when" which implies you're sure that they will.

>>49933997
Fuck off already

>>49933976
Wait a second...
What if both enemy colored Partners can make a single image when side-by-side?
We know Ludevic is gonna be UR, and the other UR partner is made by him.

>>49933997
You never said if in your original post. You know why you caused confusion

>>49933928
They probably won't get errta'd but this does set it up to be more acceptable by playgroups.

If someone can build a 3/4 color deck using 2 commanders that actually do useful things, you can use your mono red with 2 almost vanilla commanders

Brisela is going to be a tougher sell though

>>49933997
>people want to play nephilim and house rule them
>do a 4color product
>include partner for a pseudo 4 color potential
>people now want to house rule other cards for prtner
jesus fucking christ this as no end.

No wonder I choose the path of salty tears and fuck my local edh tournaments with stax

>I'm too autistic to discuss house rules with my group

>>49934039
fucking this. There's no point in discussing house rules here since they're... well house rules and only concern the group in question

>>49933873
You could always "splash blue" for those multicolor cards you find interesting rather than just the commander.

>>49934019
Would be cute if extremely limiting in possible characters since that means UG has to be from Theros and RW has to be from Zendikar.

>>49934019
This might be what they do.

>>49934028
>waaaah people play with house rules and have fun
You're gonna have a stroke when you read about Ambassador

>>49933728
That's too bad.

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>>49932626
Shit
Now I have to play White

ugh Guess I'm playing reanimator

What if we got Partner Planeswalkers?

>>49934028
Starting to feel the aches of playing a casual format?
No matter how hardcore you are, Commander will always be for weenies so that'll be the thick of your Commander playing and discussing experience, all that's left for us is playing Narset/Zur/Wanderer and making them cry.

>>49932725
muh phasing
I've listened to MaRo too much to hear Flanking without also hearing Phasing.

>>49934023
This is my original post,
>>49933928
>So if and when Brothers Yamazaki is errata'd with Partner
>>49934014
Fuck off yourself. I'm certain you can find some Praetor porn to help you.
>>49934013
If and When is the standard nomenclature for a hopeful attitude towards something possibly happening.

>>49934081
>making them cry.
I know the feeling anon, my commanders are Xia-hou, Sharuum and Mimeo. Whatever I play people complains instead of actually trying to play the game.

>>49933928
You'll still have to ask everyone if you can play with your shitty house rule deck.

So will RW2 partner be the weeniemaker?

>>49934079
How about double Planeswalkers? Like two PWs on a single card that compensates for the fact that you can't use their individual versions through their powerful abilities?

>>49934079
Probably too much complexity unfortunately

>>49934110
Yes, because an Equipment focused Mono Red deck is so terrifying to people I play with weekly.

They'll just be happy I'm not playing Vorel.

Is Atraxa superfriends viable. i'd like to think so.

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>>49932752
Oh man another RW aggro double strike legend that's gonna choke by turn 3, thanks wizards, we don't fucking have enough of these.

>>49934123
That's about as likely as Meldwalker Elspeth, which would only happen if Wizard wanted to revisit Theros and use Meld again and both are equally unlikely.

>>49934093
>If and When is the standard nomenclature for a hopeful attitude towards something possibly happening.
It literally is not.

>>49933373
I wish Partner said you could have two commanders if the one without partner had CMC less than the one with partner. It may break it, but that's what the ban list and house rules are for, right?

>>49934074
Like that's a bad thing..

>>49934154
Well this only proves you're bad at magic.

Did the articles mention anything about commander damage and partner? Are we going to have to start keeping track of two different commander damage totals for the same player?

>>49934164
>http://lmgtfy.com/?q=if+and+when

>>49934191
yes, each commander has to hit 21 separately

>>49934191
Partner only makes it so you have 2 commanders, everything else is exactly the same, you have to deal 21 damage with a single commander card, you also get different tax for whenever each commander is cast.

Anyone else disappointed with the comanders? Very little creativity.

>>49933854
But she doesn't generate colored mana

>>49934141
Does it suck asking for permission each time you want to play an awful deck?

>>49932832
These decks are printed on demand, so the price of Zendikar fetches would go down to AT LEAST msrp for the deck. Also, the problem with TNN is people were only buying 1 deck, while Wizards produces in sets of 5. If they have Zendikar fetches in every deck, that problem won't happen (3 of the decks have izzet, and the other 2 have one or both of simic and golgari). The more of these Wizards sells, the happier they are, so... I can't find the problem.

>>49934322
No more than the guys asking for permission to proxy their $500 lands.

>>49934307
Considering only 1 of them is revealed?
Yes

>>49934307
We've only seen one commander and a hand full of the partner commanders so I'm not sure what there is to be disappointed about.

If you were expecting something it was your own fault really.

>>49934307
Very let down so far, yes.

>>49934344
They are also shitters and should also be denied.

>>49934320
But she still generates mana.

I like to focus on the upsides.

So we're all in agreement? Partner is a shitty addition to the game.

>>49934307
> $35 Supplementary Commander product aimed at fair and fun casual magic not being stupidly broken and having off the charts power level means its boring and uncreative.

Please fuck off already, not everyone is playing """"""""" competitive """"""""""" commander, people just want tools that add another layer of fun on deckbuilding when it comes to commander instead of the typical generic shit that is seen everywhere.

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This seems busted.

>>49934417
Nah, we still have a large portion of partner commanders to be revealed.

On top of that some combinations will probably be pretty awesome.

>>49934417
How so? It seems fun. You have so many combinations.

>>49934417
I like partner

>>49933687
Flankman and the stache added to list of biggie and smalls' list of nicknames

>>49932999
>>49934417
Shitty but filled with possibility. There are 70 possible partner combinations. Even if they're dumbass combos, every wedge got 8 new commanders and every enemy color pair got one as well, along with new shard commanders. If variety is your thing hurray.

>>49934387
Mana fixing = colors, not ramp. Just own up to your mistakes anon
>>49933821
None of the partners will have it otherwise everyone would run it

>>49934377
Fair enough.

>>49934417
No, Partner is useful in EDH, and as a design is pretty much the best of the three possible choices that the design team had. My only hope is that they include it in future products, even as one offs.

>>49932999
>Ludevic is getting printed in Commander (2016 Edition) as a blue-red legendary creature.

It's kind of annoying that, assuming you can partner him with Kraum, it doesn't add Black to your deck anywhere.

>>49933928
It's still a singleton format and the brothers have the same name

>>49932723
>blue/red zombie

Finally. Can't wait to slot him into my Thraximundar deck next to Grimgrin and Tymaret.

>>49934436
I just want to be able to do supervalue shit like, brain storm, frantic search, thirst for knowledge, tap for 9 mana, blow a blue sun zenith, then untap my creatures and tap it and get like 15 mana and hard cast an emrakul

>>49934464
? Partners can be partnered with any commander that has partner. if Ludevic is URwith partner just use a partner commander with black

>>49934417

>So we're all in agreement?

You're on a website where being contrarian is a virtue, of course we're not all in agreement you fucking retard.

>>49934524
>15 mana and hard cast an emrakul
You only need 13 at most.

>>49934417
It's an awful mechanic that should have been nixed right after it was first suggested.

We'll probably see them for a while, but they'll probably go away quickly after the new shine wears off. People who just want the colors aren't going to waste a slot on an extra commander.

>Commander 2017
>Have nowhere to go but back to monocolor commanders
>Forces them to come out with actually fresh, inventive ideas
Can't wait desu

http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/news/commander-2016-edition-packaging-2016-10-24

>>49934547
>What is old Emrakul ?

>>49934570
Or just shovel back out tribal.

>>49934417
Right they should just print more things like Prossh, Oloro, and Derevi?

>>49934582
>What is banned in EDH?

>>49934534
Yes we are, you stupid faggot.

>>49934582
Someone banned in EDH

>>49934603
What's wrong with tribal?

>>49933650
This with any of the red partner commanders, but probably the zombie.

Dig out the sphinx that gives you a new hand every time you cast a spell and just keep hitting refresh until you hit Omniscience which you can cast for it's blue cost and tapping this bitch.

Win game.

>>49934417
Yup, actually. I hope they don't pull some infinite combo partner bullshit.

>>49934525
Yeah but the flavor.

>>49933728

Tiny leaders is dead bury it.

>>49934628
Nothing, I'm just saying they have plenty to go back on if they want too. They don't have to bother creating anything new.

>>49934609
>>49934624
But why ?

>>49933728
Lol

>>49934628
It can get pretty samey. All you end up doing is making tokens or pumping up your guys. While there's nothing really wrong with tribal, there's a lot of room for them to just get lazy with it and call it good.

>>49934574
They said they're building the decks to be primarily one color and all the other colors are secondary, so does this basically give up the game on what the main colors are for each deck?
It looks like
>Blue
>Red
>Green
>White
>Black

>>49934103

My friends are newbs that have more commander decks than anything else. Full of proxies. Literally use Xia-Hou and Mimeo and always win. Commander is fun but it's for casuals.

>>49934654
My bad, 'shovel out' just sounded like it had negative connotations.

>>49934657
Any general that gives you an extra turn when cast is just asking for trouble, even when she costs 15 mana.

>>49934657
Because as long as Emrakul is legal in EDH, she only costs 3UU.

The not-black deck is a partner deck? Check the product page http://magic.wizards.com/en/content/commander-2016-home
>STALWART UNITY

>Kynaios and Tiro of Meletis believe harmony is the key to true power. They share the rewards of their unshakable bond among their supporters, building alliances before unleashing powerful haymaker spells against their enemies.

>>49934307
They did repeat incessantly for years that there is no design space in 4color.
I personally would have rather got Ally commanders with experience mechanics.

>>49934703
>at least 2 commanders are from Alara, possibly the not U one as well
Wonder if they're trying to set something up. Fingers crossed I guess, love me some alara.

>>49934611
that's the spirit!

>>49932752
A worse Kalemne in everything but art.

Bravo Wizards

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>>49934703

Well we got names then

>Yidris, Maelstrom Wielder (UBRG)
>Saskia the Unyielding (BRGW)
>Kynaios and Tiro of Meletis (RGWU)
>Atraxa, Praetors' Voice (GWUB)
>Breya, Etherium Shaper (WUBR)

Lots of Alara fluff in here, do you think we might see a reprint of pic related?

i want to make an Atraxa deck based on planeswalkers with strong ultimate abilitys. Is it a good ideia?

>>49934767
Kalemne doesn't have partner

>>49934769
>>Yidris, Maelstrom Wielder (UBRG)
Alara ?
>>Saskia the Unyielding (BRGW)
Kamigawa ?
>>Kynaios and Tiro of Meletis (RGWU)
Theros
>>Atraxa, Praetors' Voice (GWUB)
Phyrexia
>>Breya, Etherium Shaper (WUBR)
Alara

>>49934793
Everything is a bad idea until it works. Only one way to find out.

>>49934570
>Ally colors with experience counters
>2 color planeswalker commanders
>3 color planeswalker commanders
>Monocolor with experience counters
They have at least 4 "didn't have to think lol" cards to play anytime they want and I'm sure MaRo has a lot of useless wonky mechanics to push on the commander team before they're forced to actually think of something good.

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New cardfu spotted. This is probably Breya while the header image in >>49934703 is probably Saskia the Unyielding.

>>49934819
Shit got crazy in Alara.

>>49934793
Unless the other R/W partner kicks ass, he's worse in the context of a Boros deck.

>>49934703
>Kynaios and Tiro of Meletis
Philosopher Group Hug?

>Invent Superiority 4c commander is an artificer, deck is chaos-centered
I was about to say TEMPORAL APERTURE REPRINT CONFIRMED but >reserved list

>>49934819
>that half face smug smile
Love it, sure as hell the nongreen is the one I'm buying.

>>49934819
Master Transmuter aged well.

Top 10 waifu

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wow wotc nice one

>>49934836
But he's a lot better

Because you can stick him as a commander in a non-boros deck

>>49934852

Shiiiiiiet

>>49934836
Isn't Boros the worst two-color combination in EDH ?

>>49934852
Your Jewish tricks will not work on me

>>49934703
>>Kynaios and Tiro of Meletis
Are these the Gaurdians of Meletis?

>>49934852
What the fuark

>>49934852
Muh dick

>>49934852

I don't believe it.

>>49934864
Yes, but it's because they always make it combat oriented with very little variation.

>>49934852
Holy Fuck!

>>49934852
>that spell card
>people are buying into this

>>49934852
Anon, you prankster.

>>49932752
>Ally
Oh boy