Warhammer 40,000 general

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>>49927849
Almost no race in 40k has tanks like this. And it kinda makes sense in a world where there are ultra-powerful closerange AT-weapons, entities that can rip a MBT in half and handheld objectives that could cripple a even demi-gods like battletitans and literal demigods.

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>>49927992
Yess, for the four....Emperor!

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I'm gonna make a vanguard veteran squad out of Iron armor marines, but what should I give them if I want them to go after 4-5 toughness enemies? I was thinking all power axes to maximize attacks and one thunder hammer because it comes in the kit and looks great.

Also what's a good way to fill out a battle demi company? I was thinking either a pair of land speeders or a couple bikes and an attack bike.

>>49928049
Do Power Mauls.

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>>49927953
>crying over pods edition
This is why your favorite army is ignored by GW

>>49928049
a demi company's fast attack option, that is.

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>>49928067
I don't want to let them have armor saves. I hate protracted combats. I want to destroy them

>>49928049
Lightning claws are much better for T4 3+ targets, and shred will help you get rerollable 5 to-wounds in for T5.
The problem of course is getting right hand Mk3 claws.

>>49928093
Power Swords would probably be your best bet then. Unwieldy on the axes really doesnt sit right with me.

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>>49928001

>Almost no race in 40k has tanks like this.

The Guard have plenty.

The Thunderer, Griffin, Demolisher, and Minotaur all come to mind.

The Orks also have a variant of the Battle Wagon armed with a Supa Kannon that has fairly short range I believe.

>>49928118
Yeah, I was gonna say, last time I fought Guard as Tau they had a tank or two pushing up with their infantry cowered behind it.

Thats why I had the idea.

>>49928118
>The Guard have plenty.
Griffon and Minotaur are close-support artillery so dont exactly count as "going forward and pushing"-tanks.

Also in-game Demolisher and and Thunderers are woefully bad at their job. Their weapons have always been more like a slap of wet towel than bunkerbustering forces of nature and they have never stood a chance in setting where they should excel in fluff (cityfights for example).

>Devestator squads can't take heavy flamers

For what purpose?

>>49928248
They're fire support. Flamers are pretty up and close weapons.

>>49928271
So are Multi-Meltas.

>>49928168

As Tau that's the last thing they normally want to do.

So next weekend my shop is running a 750 duals Tournament (1500 a side, 750 per player.) The only requirement is to only use a CAD.
I recently started AM and was going to enter with my friend who plays Space Wolves.
This is the list we figured out so far:

750 Astra Militarum CAD

Tank Commander (340pts)
>2 Executioners
2x10 Veterans (155pts ea)
>Veteran Sergeant, 6x Veteran w/ Lasgun, 3x Veteran w/ Meltagun, Chimera
2x1 Armoured Sentinel (50pts ea)
>Lascannon

750 Space Wolves CAD

Wolf Lord (215pts)
>Thunderwolf, Runic Armour, Black Death, Storm Shield
2x5 Blood Claws (110pts)
>Plasma Gun, Drop Pod
4 Thunderwolf Cavalry Space Wolves (315pts)
>2x Powerfist/StormShield, 2x Wolf Claw/StormShield

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Is it possible to build a good, Ork tank/walker list? I have a Dread Mob, but I want more killy/shooty and I want it to be big shooty. Are the only good tanks the orks have forge world?

What's the smallest point list I could take to a random shop and be reasonably likely to get a pickup game, other than kill team?

Should I take a five man squad of skitarii infiltrators to give my boys some melee power, or a culexus for anti-psyker? It's part of an escalation league which is why I need it to fit in at 250 points or under

What's a good starter for Guard?

I'm thinking the start collecting plus a Chimera and some Ogryns/Bullygryns, is that workable?

>>49928420
get a cadian defence force if you can find it
if not get a start to collect + genestealer armored claw (it's cheaper than buying the IG stuff separately) then you can sprinkle on some ogryns if you like
if you're willing to spend some extra money i'dd also buy a priest or a primaris psyker

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>>49928364

Well as good as one can keeping in mind the issues Walkers and Tanks can tend to have.

> Are the only good tanks the orks have forge world?

Yes. Also the source of the only decent Ork Transports outside of the Battle Wagon.

For building a tank list, you may want to look at Big Trakks, Gun Wagons, Mekboy Junkas, and Grot Tanks, the first three having access to some pretty good guns.

The Kill Tanks and Battle Fortresses (Skullhamma included) are also worth a look.

That being said you may have to work through the rules as all of the forgeworld stuff is outdated.

And when it comes to Walker armies, forgeworld's Dred Mob is usually seen as superior to the Dread Mob from Waaagh! Ghazghkull, though this opinion can be subjective for many.

>>49928001
Well orks have gunwagons, looted vehicles (which still count as tanks) and big trakks, but they all also can be used as transports as well as being tanks. There's also grot tanks and grot mega-tanks which have a max range of 36" with their big shootas. And technically orks have enough walkers that could "count" as tanks as they move up with them to get into the thick of it.

>>49928118
That supa kanon is 60" range battle cannon, which is really nice, though it either removes or reduces transport capacity to I think 5-10 guys.

Would this be sufficient for a tourny list? Ive tested it already against tau and got buttraped by interceptor and tide spam my shit generalship and rolling aside but would it hold up in general?

IF Sternhammer 1850
Core - Demicompany
Chaplain with jumppack
5 assault marines with jumppacks
3 squads of 5 marines with a grav cannon in a rhino
Squad of 10 devastators with 4 flak missile launchers
Auxiliary - Skyhammer
2 squads of 10 assault marines with jumppacks, 2 eviserators, serg has a power sword
Squad of ten devastators with 4 multimeltas in a droppod
Squad of ten devastators with 4 gravcannons in a droppod

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>>49928472

>That supa kanon is 60" range battle cannon

That's better than most Ork weapons

>>49928472

>And technically orks have enough walkers that could "count" as tanks as they move up with them to get into the thick of it.

That's all Ork Walkers outside of Mek-ccentric ones like the Big Mek Stompa isn't it?

I wish I had someone to play 40k with, but I don't know anyone who plays, and the nearby game store closed down right after I moved, so I never really got a chance to play there.

The next nearest game store is about two hours away.

I live in a city with a million people, but apparently nobody here plays 40k?

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>>49928452
I like the Kill Tanks, but do you think they're good enough to back up a Dred Mob? What would you try to fit into a 1500pt game?

>>49928579
Check Facebook for 40k or warhammer 40,000 + your city name

>>49928542
it's 120 pts for one on a big trakk, that you can take in squads of 3 as heavy support choices, it is ordinance, so it sucks for the 2 big shootas also on it slightly, but they are nice.

>>49928564
I'd include the Mek walkers too, cause the Kustom Meka-dread wants to get to CC, as does the Morkanaut, and even the Big Mek Stompa. If they got KFFs they are better for runnin' with tha boyz than tha normal ones.

>>49928616
I mostly see stuff about people playing at the store that would take me two hours to get to.

>>49928607

>1500pt game?

Probably the Kill Krusha as that's the only one that doesn't seem like overkill at that level unless you're in competition (though the Kill Blast could be okay depending on who you ask).

>>49927906

You're absolutely right. It's completely BS, and I hope it changes forever. I started Tzeentch because they were fun in 5th edition. Then this shit happened. I just don't know anymore.

At least we have a 1500pt doubles game next week.

>>49928607

Kill Tanks include a variant with a 7" D blast, which is really the only one that's worth taking, aside from the coolness factor. Can't go wrong with D, but some players might object to you taking it.

Trouble is, at 1500, if you're taking the Dread Mob formation, you're really out of points. If you're building via FW that's completely different.

>>49928624

>even the Big Mek Stompa

In it's basic configuration.

As I recall there is also one with two gun arms that isn't all that great at close combat for obvious reasons, unless it's stomping out things smaller than it.

>>49928658
Just roll on the shitty tables.

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Sigmar is a missing primarch.

>>49928662
I do build with Forge World, so I don't think points should be too big a problem.

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>>49928677
>Sigmar
>Sigma

I literally never made this connection ever.

>>49928677
That would actually be a pretty cool plot twist.

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>>49928662

>Kill Tanks include a variant with a 7" D blast, which is really the only one that's worth taking

You mean the Bursta here?

Also, the Belly Cannon isn't half bad.

Do you play an army that isn't very good but you love playing it anyway?

I'm a Blood Angels player and I can't bring myself to play any other armies, I just love the looks and assault focused tactics too much.

Space Wolves are arguably better at assault and they just don't do it for me.
Plus, its pretty clear someone at GW favors them.
Just compare all the goodies they got in Curse of the Wulfen to Angel's Blade, there's really no comparison.

>>49928720
Belly cannon isn't as effective as it sounds.

>>49928672
it's stomp attacks aren't bad in CC, and it's usually going to be waddling around with it's fair share of meks and other boyz inside it so its not a bad idea to get it mixed up in some combat. The only problems I've had with it in games is deepstriking anti-tank units. You need to actually bubble wrap your stompas with boyz or other units to protect them, or fill it with enough meks that it doesn't care.

>>49928720

The Belly Kannon is a Killkannon with, on average, a 10.5" blast size and way more range.

Killkannons aren't threatening because they're Str 7, so they won't even instant-kill T4 multiple wound models, and they're only Ap3, and Orks don't tend to have too many issues dealing with 3+ saves, or rather, stuff that has 3+ saves. It's also worthless against MCs, which take at most one wound, and it doesn't ignore cover.

>>49928677
>Sigmar was the missing primarch
>40k 8th edition will launch around the same time as AoS 2nd edition
>they will be cross compatible

>>49928813
it's a 20" blast size on average.

>>49928816
>I can run Lizardmen in 40k
You have no idea how fucking hyped I would be.

>>49928579
What city m8?

>>49928626
might be time to start a gaming group. though you'll need space, a table, terrain, and be willing to make some new friends.

>>49928658
if your army is too strong then maybe you should tone it down. i play slaanesh incursion but i don't summon much (i do aim heavily for invisibility admittedly)

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>>49928813
>He doesn't want a chance to have a 36" blast

>>49928862
I live in a 690 sqft condo... so there is no way that can happen

>>49928677
Sigmar came out a vagina.

>>49928813

I like it for clustered up targets like vehicle squadrons.

>>49928851

Oh radius. My bad.

That's hilarious, but I still don't think it's worth it for 350 points. Have to say though, I want to make one up now, just for the fun of it.

>>49928915
It's pretty useful if your opponent likes to hide squishy things out of LoS.

>>49928486
no

>>49928001
Demolishers and vindicators serve as breakthrough tanks, both in the fluff and on the tabletop

>>49928896
My knowledge on primarch lore is a little hazy

Were the Primarchs vat-grown clones? Did they have surrogate mothers? Were they implanted with stuff like the space marines were?

>>49928183
>Also in-game Demolisher and and Thunderers are woefully bad at their job.
What gave you that idea. Demolishers are great.
>Their weapons have always been more like a slap of wet towel
They can Instant Death Daemon princes and fairly easily hurt land raiders

>>49928896
So did Clark Kent.

40k should not have anything that is "guaranteed reserves turn 1" aka drop pod assault

Reserves is SUPPOSED to be a gamble

>>49929004
>"m-muh striek foerc!"

>>49928892
Time to open a game store? I mean, sounds like theres demand and no local competition

>>49928674

I do?

>>49928862

Even without summoning, there's enough 5(6)/4 to kill so much shit while dominating the psychic phase.

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Finally got around to painting vehicles for the first time. I still need to do highlights on the black for the Corvus, but other than that I''m happy with my results.

>>49929004

While we're at it remove

- guaranteed Deep Strike without scatter
- guaranteed maximum shots on Salvo thanks to Relentless/S&P
- auto-passing any tests

Maybe it's just being an Ork player but I'm getting really tired of all this automatic shit.

>>49929032
I am not even sure there is demand. The store that closed was just a few minutes away. They had trouble pulling in people for anything, even FNM. Before that store opened there was a GW store near here. That closed down too.

The first time I went it happened to be their last day in business. A couple of people were playing Age of Sigmar, and the owner was justifiable saddened that his business was going under.

Google says there is a group of people that meets in a store even further away than the one still in business, but they seem like elitist pricks (1850 or 2250 points only, fully painted only, powergaming and waac expected)

>>49929116
>- guaranteed Deep Strike without scatter

What's wrong with teleport homers and Chaos icons?

>- guaranteed maximum shots on Salvo thanks to Relentless/S&P

Should we also remove benefits those things give to Heavy and Rapid Fire weapons?

>- auto-passing any tests

What test in particular are most troubling to you? How would you handle all the special skills that give such benefits? Or units you'd imagine were immune to certain things?

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>>49929116
it's okay anon, in a parallel universe Orks are Op and sisters out number those elusive eldar players with their terrible book

>>49929153
>and Chaos icons?
these have been gone from CSM for a long time

now they just have that stupid 30 point key where you have to smack someone with it before it does anything, so at best, it is turn 2 or 3 if you put it on a bike, turbo boost, and get lucky on the charge without getting shot up

>>49929153
>What's wrong with teleport homers and Chaos icons?

Deep Striking should be a risk. I'm okay with things reducing the risk (drop it to 1D6 scatter, or allow rerolls) but auto-passing removes the element of risk. Drop pods are obviously the biggest offenders here but no-one should be straight up ignoring gameplay elements.

>Should we also remove benefits those things give to Heavy and Rapid Fire weapons?

Sounds good to me. Heavy and Rapid Fire are supposed to make the player make a decision; move, and gain a better position but with reduced firepower, or remain put, and have better firepower in possibly a worse position. Again, removing choice just reduces tactics.

>What test in particular are most troubling to you?

Half the armies in the game ignore Fear. Now this is a tricky one because ATSKNF really should make Marines immune to Fear, fluffwise. But you could equally argue that a squad of Orks that's really fired up! fighting in close combat should ignore Fear too, and they don't. But making Orks immune to it would remove really the last army in the game that really cares about Fear, and I'm not in favour of that, even as an Ork player.

But really, no-one should be auto-passing anything, Farseers should not be able to suffer Perils and just ignore it by burning a Warp Charge. Ignore Cover should not completely nullify cover, except on Flamers.

>>49929004
I don't really have an issue with any one of the Drop Pods characteristics other than the retarded FAQ ruling. It's just that all of it combined is too much. They practically can't mishap AND they get to bring 50% in turn 1 AND they get to move 6" to both protect themselves from templates and mitigate scatter AND they only cost 35 points.

>>49929153
There's a lot of other methods of perfect deepstrike, like Webway portals.

And as a Dark Eldar player, Space Marines being autoimmune to our leadership shenanigans is balls.
>>49929197
Daemons still get perfect deepstrike icons.

>>49929219
Chaos Icons, when they still worked, required multiple expensive or restricted units to get themselves into the right place at the right time.

There's nothing wrong with ignoring rules if it's properly balanced.

Let's be honest, when you're complaining about Relentless, you're complaining about Bikes. And I totally agree, bikes are some bullshit. There needs to be a major reevaluation of how bikes work in game and how bike units are costed and purchased. Chaos Terminators being able to rapid-fire with combi-bolters before charging isn't an issue. Relentless Grav-Bikers shredding anything that moves from 24" away while simultaneously zooming around the board capturing objectives is a problem.

Ignore Cover should be a scalable ability. Ignores Cover (X), where X is the degree to which cover saves are minimized.

Far Seers don't ignore the Perils, just the wound caused. It's also perfectly fluffy.

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>>49929219
While I agree with you that a lot of special rules have gotten out of hand, I don't like your all or nothing approach.

>Eldar Farseers ignoring perils
They're the only ones that get to do that and it does come at a penalty, albit a much better one than the actual perils. Very few other armies have options to dodge perils, all I can think of is the Cadian Psykana Division always taking a wound on perils instead of rolling. For everyone else though, that risk is still there.

>Ignores Cover shouldn't exist
See, I disagree. Even in the grimderpness of the 41st millennium, there's still guided munitions, or other wack ass ways to ignore cover, like the Death Korps' mole mines. It's a special rule that should have a niche, but has been given out far too widely to the point where a lot of cover is obsolete.

You can see that they're kind of moving the direction that you're talking about though. Look at melee weapons as they've changed recently. A lot of AP2 has been reduced to AP3 to lessen how often armor is just flat out ignored. Granted, the assault phase didn't need the nerf, but toning down the wide spread "Ignores Game Element X" is a good idea.

>>49929229
But Anon, Steel Rain is in the Codex Astartes.

Do Dark Eldar have any hope of being good in the future? I don't like the idea of relying on 2 units and single vehicle to win.

>>49929347
Sure, and Space Marines should have access to Drop Pods, and said Drop Pods should be a viable approach to playing Space Marines. They just need toned down.

>>49929334
>While I agree with you that a lot of special rules have gotten out of hand, I don't like your all or nothing approach.

Well you're not wrong. It really should be addressed on a case-by-case basis, but the timeframe for that is so long, and GW's track-record with balancing codices against each other so poor, that I just doubt this will happen.

With regards to Ignore Cover, Flamers having it is just fine, from both a gameplay and fluff perspective. You're coating the area in flame or daemonic energy; no way to hide from that. Flamers are also short range, so getting them close enough to fire is difficult, but rewarding if you pull it off.

Actual guided munitions that emulate that should be extremely rare. Even a guided missile, unless it can fly through a window, isn't going to completely ignore the cover provided by a ruined building. As you say, it's been given out like candy, but by the same token, Stealth and Shrouded has gone from something quite rare to something being handed out all over the place, including to units that hand it out to other units. It's an escalating arms race which just leaves the armies without access to it in the dust.

As to Ap2 being lessened, how recent are we talking here? Because Wulfen having Str 8 AP2 at initiative is fucking bonkers.

>>49929364
As far as I know, there are zero rumors about anything Dark Eldar anytime soon.

That said, I would be surprised if they don't at least get a new supplement with some detachments in it before/during War in the Webway early next year. They and Grey Knights are the only major factions lacking the new meta-detachments, and Grey Knights will probably get their's in Wulfen 2.

>>49929435
What's War in the Webway?

>>49929445
Rumored next campaign after Wulfen 2.

>that edition name
It's always fun to see how butthurt Space Marine players get when people start talking about how to fix their broken shit.

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>>49929364
Anon, don't listen to 1d4chan, like everything on the internet including this post it needs to be taken with a grain of salt.

Dark Eldar are mid-tier right now. We don't have anything broken, but our Codex doesn't have any gaping flaws. The unfortunate part about our hyper glass cannon army is that every unit needs to be played just right, or it's a complete waste of points. Many other armies are far more forgiving on this aspect, but I can assure you there's plenty of great things inside our dex for it's cost.

>NS/SR raiders with warriors/trueborn for ungodly amounts of poison hits
>Stuffing a Venom full of medusae and laughing at Infantry as you drop 5 templates and a dozen poison shots into them for pennies
>fresh Wytches getting into CC after they hit turn 4 CC
>Succubus with an Archite Glaive
>Haywire/Heat Lance Scourges
>Spamming cheap as fuck Mandrakes to infiltrate all over points and soak fire more valuable things should be taking

Basically, get gud and you can make sure out of the entire dex.

>>49929435
All this shit makes my heart hurt so much, 8 years ago when I came to /tg/ it was because of DOW and 40k was everywhere and was super popular.

Now it's a fucking ghost town, noone plays anymore its just the saddest shit I've seen in ages.

>>49929508
dumping points in to NS for raiders kek. racks is good, NS i wouldnt take. An entire venom full of medusae? mmhm, for pennies?
>Scourges, ever
>mandrakes
Come on mate, even back in 5th it was clear to any real DE player that Reavers and blaster spam was the answer to DE's problem.

>>49929422
It's true, believe me as someone who highly relies on my cover saves (Dark Eldar), I feel the pain of it, and agree it should be rare, but you're right, it never does get toned down. Only escalated.

Soon all Dark Eldar will be Stealth/Shrouded with Dodge expanded to all units and working outside of Assault, and Orks will gain Rage, Furious Charge, Fleet, and +3 attacks whenever the player yells "WAAAGH!!"

And I hadn't really looked into the Woofen yet, that's fucking insane and makes me upset that they took away my Huskblade's AP2.
>>49929508
>Turn 4 CC
I mean PfP, whoops.

Why is it that tg focuses on tournaments and WAAC tactics when the vast majority of 40k players don't go to tournaments or do anything outside of their local groups?

Why am I tempted to buy a box each of nobz and flash gitz and make a kill team with them?

>>49929583
Why is it that shitposters and apologists pretend that high-powered Eldar/Tau/Space Marine lists don't fuck up local metas all over the world?

>>49928013

The fact those cultists look horrified is the best bit

>Oh fuck, what is this!? What are these things?
>Where are the unaware civilians!?
>I was told they wouldn't be ready for us!

>>49929608
Guess what? If you don't think you'll have a fun time, no one is making you play against some eldar or tau list.
There can't be a meta if your gaming group takes a stand and says rule #1 is don't be a dick to the guy across the table.
40k is just as much about socializing as it is about tactics and strategy.

>>49929616

They look more enraged than anything

>This is OUR world to corrupt!
>FUCK OFF WE'RE FULL

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>>49929529
>180 points for 5 AP3 Templates in a 10/10/10 that fires 12 poison shots.
It will make up it's points in Marines eaten in one shooting phase, so yeah. Pennies.

>120 points for 4 deepstriking 24" Haywire JSJ goodness
I don't even need to explain myself. Anyone who brings vehicles cries bitter tears.

>36 points for infiltrators with Stealth/Shrouded
You put them on a capture point, forget about them, and they will be so worth it if you have the Elites slot and some points to fill.


Obviously Blasterborn in a venom is good. It's why everyone knows it and shoots them down first. I was just pointing out other useful units in the dex and that was just what I thought of off the top of my head. You're an idiot if you think they're the only units worth taking. Also, Reavers are trash now after the Bladevane nerf. It's like you haven't even looked at the new dex.

>NOB BIKERS ARE STILL OP, MAN

>>49929637
>Hey, man, I know that you just liked the look of Wraithknights and jetbikes, but fuck off until you spend the hundreds of dollars building a replacement army

>>49929671
*shrug* if I am not going to have fun for 3-4 hours playing a game against a meta eldar list, the other player can either change it or I will go do something better with my time at the store.
I'm in Austin, there's no shortage of people to play against here.

>>49929671
If that guy keeps having people say "eh, no thanks to your cheese list" he'll either have to find a new group, play no games, or change his list.

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>>49929671
>Play Dark Eldar
>Love the look and style of Wraith units
>Build small allied army of Spirit Seer, Wraithguard/blades, and Wraithlord, avoiding Wraithknights at the height of their cheese
>Fluff it into my Kabal that they kidnapped a bunch of Wraiths and their Seer and practically torture them into functionality
>Usually stuff the Guard into my raiders to zip about like the big brothers to Blasterborn Venoms.
>Eldar update! Wraithguard get the D

>Gee Anon, why do you always bring these super cheesy netlists
>mfw

>>49929585
help

this holiday season do I buy for myself:

>option 1: Make an ork freebooter killteam
a box of flash gitz, and a box of nobz: 78 USD MSRP

>option 2: make a CSM kill team
a box of raptors, a box of GSC acolytes for parts and arms, and some DV cultists off ebay: 75 USD MSRP + ~20 USD ebay

>option 3: start a second army
A start collecting MT box and some stuff for inquisitorial henchmen (probably a GSC Acolytes box): 85-125 USD MSRP

>>49929780
Can't take heavy support in Kill Team. Flash Gits are heavy support.

looking to get back in the hobby again, have a shitload of dark Angels models sitting around, thinking of doing a deathwing/ravenwing list, wondering if that's still viable and how that army list would look? I've got a lot of options model wise here.

>>49929752
Offer to nerf the Wraith-nouns in exchange for making the Dark Eldar stuff more functional.

The answer to "GW is shit at balancing and half the armies in the game can't have fun games" isn't to throw more money at GW, it's to balance the game yourself.

>>49929813
Very. If you're short on deathwing termies or some other units check ebay: a recent starter set has made some units dirt cheap.

>>49929803
shoot you are right

but freebooter orks seem like so much fun

>>49929648
180pts that potentially dies if the vehicle it's in gets hit by anything S5 or higher thanks to open topped = explosion results

120pts that get hit by interceptor and if they don't they probably die the turn after they land.

>mandrakes
They're awful. Absolutely terrible. They have no save and T3 with WS4 meaning most enemies will hit them on 4's anyway and any MEQs or better will stand a pretty good chance of wiping them out. At 3 models per squad you just cannot seriously suggest they will achieve anything but be ignored for 4 turns before anything with a flamer or CQC ability gets in and mulches them. I actually had to look them up again since it's been years and while they have been buffed significantly since the days of 5th they're still trash and probably one of the worst units in the game when factored against their slot, their cost and the abilities.

I wasn't even talking blasterborn I'm talking like you could take max troops worth of kabalites with a blaster each in venoms, 6x6 units of reavers and maybe if you really give a shit take 2x3 medusae in venoms for your HQs since they are HQs when not supporting an archon.

>>49929828
You're not wrong, it would be neat to see.

>>49929828
A few 3rd party sites sell piratey looking shit for orks. So you could do freebooter boyz.

>>49929865
>>49929849
I could still use the Flash Gitz parts I guess, but if I am not using the shnazz guns it might be better to buy 2 nob boxes, parts off ebay, and maybe some other unit

I like the look of flash gitz, and shooty orks sound fun, so it is kind of a shame

>>49929825
Cool thanks, I've got one assault termie squad and another from the dark vengeance kit + a ravenwing assault squadron kit, so roughly 6 bikes+attack bike and was gonna make a squad of three tornado landspeeders. Is that shroud speeder still good and any suggestions for an HQ?

Hmm guys is it common to want to collect every army in 40k at once but just all the cheese. I've sorta narrowed it down to legio furuons and maybe some military and cult from 30k for my general imperium stuff but I have tau and want marines and want to make my mechanicum thallax count as necrons and want to use my AoS orcs in 40k and build big skaven that count as gene stealers jiand nids and right now I basically have model ideas for every 40k army you could build and literally want to do it beside eldar (that I'm waiting on for a update) is this common sometimes I see people that collect every army brake down and leave hobbie or have hording problems but if I ligit justify every thing I buy with it being good and also looking nice am I ok? In aos the factions have helped me not drop this deep and maybe due to less understanding of the lore in aos I just want two army's I can use from opposing factions to shoe games to friends. But in 40k I want the ability to run every kind of lost that's good regardless of army but with some logic for example ibi can substitute some thing from a list with some thing I already have that's 95% as effective I'll do that instead of rebuy another same thing but trailing tg ad 40k stuff just made me realise the only way I could have fun in 40k is if I did this n didn't limit myself to one army. Maybe successful marketing but having some one that can literally pull every thing that's currently good out of his bags is that really a WAAC player or just a really commuted gw fan that wants to be on top of things while not tied to a single force? Currently just building one army thou I guess the assembly time and stuff might hold me back and make this almost impossible

How big is a Goliath Truck in comparison to a Taurox?

What's the name of the armor of the Neophyte Cultists?

New player here, been playing the shit out of Kill Team. I'm about to finish painting my team but I wanna learn more about Tau lore before I do it. I really like Farsight. My teams going to be Farsight loyalists and I wanted to know where I could read more about him.

>>49929945
The Mont'ka and Kauyon supplements, as well as the Farsight Enclaves book feature the big red suit regularly

>>49929930

They wear

>Heavy industrial rib-suits

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>>49929945
>>49929954

>>49929954
Thanks man

>>49929962
oh no you beaned me

>>49929972

The fact you are too fucking stupid to google "Tau Farsight lore" says a lot about you and your waac army choice. Welcome to the hobby, bitch.

>>49929886
A fair warning, Nobz are absolutely terrible in Killteam (and on the table in general)

>>49930006
I dont know what half of that shit means, I just didn't want to play humans.

>>49930013
I've run a bunch of numbers on Nobz. They are comparablish to Chaos Chosen as Chosen are the same points per model and fulfil a similar role. Chosen are better at ranged combat, have more weapon options, better Ld, access to Fearless, and more other kinds of upgrades, while Nobz have easier access to kombiweapons, but no combimelta or combiplasma, and better access to assault/open-topped vehicles.

Chosen are considered bad in general, but nobz on the whole are even worse!

But they are cool.

>>49930014
I'll help translate some stuff that may have slipped past you.

>stupid
describes someone of low intelligence.

>google
a search engine. Lets a person access almost the entirety of human knowledge in seconds.

>Tau
A faction in 40k,

>Farsight
A grouping of Tau that follow a commander of the same name.

>lore
Backstory of a fictional something

>WAAC
Win At All Costs

>army
a military force

>hobby
Something someone does in their spare time for entertainment

>bitch
A derogatory term. Originally meant: a female dog.

>>49930075
Not the guy you're responding to but why are you so upset?

>>49930085
He probably plays csm.

>>49930075
Why so angry friend? Tau fucked your mother or something?

Is there a book for renegade guard, or do people just use guard rules and make the models a bit different looking?

>>49929890
Not to knowledgeable on Dark angels, but the Chaplains always nice for Zealot. Librarian if you dig psyking

>>49930104
Forgeworld has rules for Reneguard.

>>49930120
I'm guessing most LSG don't let you use those though right?

>>49930104
Siege of Vraks in IA

>>49930075
you seem like a fun guy to play with

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>>49930075
>>49930006
>"Hey Anon, I just picked up some of those Warhammer figures you like so much"
>Tha-that's cool..."
>"Yeah, maybe you could show me how to play. I just built them, didnt paint them cus' Im not too good."
>"Uhh"
>"I hope you're ready for this. I picked them cus they look really cool, dont you think?"

>pulls Tau out

>REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>49930131
it's up to your group; Mine doesn't have any problem with me playing Krieg cause I'm not playing any super heavies or bullshit like that

>>49930104
>>49930120
>>49930131
your game store might

but the traitor guard book costs a 100 dollars, print only, shipped internationally, and you will find it is not that different from loyalist guard, except that traitor guard uses random rolls for their leadership.

just use the loyalist book. Ally in Genestealer cults if you want melee as they have a lot of crazy options for that.

>>49930107

Thanks again, was considering a termie chaplain and I've never used psykers before but that librarian from the dark vengeance kit has me curious.

>>49930141
top kek

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>>49930141
pic related

>>49930152
Good choice. As someone in a similar situation to yours (getting back into the game after years), I nearly projectile vomited when I saw what GW is charging for single plastic models that used to be metal and cost $9-12

What´s the problem with tau here again? They´re the first models I bought and actually finished. Also have tyranids, IG and wolves. Wolves are the only ones I actually enjoy painting.

>>49930146
>>49930150
I will enquire, but if what you say is true then I may not go down this route. Thanks.

>>49930188
People here arent able to separate their anger for legitimate shit mongers who spam suits, general "Fuck you I win", and actual newbies who Tau are their first army cus they look cool as shit.

>>49930185
Tell me about it, I really don't want to buy any new models for a long time, fortunately I have a ton of unassembled space marines. I'll be bland for now but I've got a bunch of Orks, nidz and chaos and my old crons I can assemble on the side for kill team shenanigans.

>>49927953
>GSC release
>"wow those look great "
>come to \tg\ for advise
>read trough threads
>broken as fuck
>well, maybe the next edition
>this is why I don't play eldars
>or vanilla SM
Well I guess I'll stick to my space wolves, sikitarii, dark eldars and a bunch of orphan orkz I received

>>49930200
Don't get disheartened, talk it out. If it's not a GW see if they're cool with you using china recasts to cut down on the price a little (or about 50-90%), and use a tablet or phone for the codex

I used to care but now I go out of my way to make it as hard for GW to get my money as possible

>>49930200
the traitor guard book has a tiny bit of the chaos flavor, but not that much

if you guard and demons allied together, go traitor

if you want some non-chaos renegades, use either the GSC or IG/AM books (or both - Genestealer Cults are "Allies of Convenience" with the Astra Militarum)

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>>49930185

Box of 10 wyches
>$25
Succubus
>$20

Pic related. Wtf.

>>49930211
I collected Eldar during late 4th/early 5th but I havent played a game of them at all since 5th and I bought a wraithknight because they look cool. I have probably every model in their line including FW except for ShadowSpectres.

>>49930203
Fuck man I just chose them cause I wanted mech suits, now I gotta deal with shit dicks who think I just play to win.

>>49930225
I feel you. I pulled the trigger on some harlequin from the death masque set (with enough to field as a standalone detachment so I can use Eldrad in an Eldar CAD with some DAs I've had for years). When I thought I wanted a solitaire and shadowseers for my troupes, and then figured out that this 4 models would cost the same as the 25 I had just bought, wew

>>49930215
Are there good sources for Chinese recasts? Everytime I find one they look super dodgy.
First time i went to play at my LSG (not a GW store) with my nids I got a digital copy of the latest codex since it had been a long time since I last played. They basically told me to buy the book or I couldn't play. Which was really annoying. I bought the book, which is fine, but considering i only really use the reference pages is like spending £30 for 3 peices of paper. Very annoying! Hopefully moving soon and won't encounter that issue at the new place.

>>49930248
Fucking same. Just dont suit spam and most players will be content.

>>49930248
I think it's OK it's not your fault GW legit compressed you in to the highest profit/model policy. Their whole game is just a vessel for selling models, look at all the retarded oversized units they've been shitting out for 5 years this is the direction the company wants to go.

>>49930257

I would have reported him to GW, especially if you legit bought the digital copy. Fuck that guy.

If I've never played 40k before, I'm probably best starting out with Kill Teams before investing in a full army, right? Am I likely to find someone to play Kill Teams with me at my FLGS? I've spectated on Warhammer night in the past, but they usually look like they're playing really big armies against each other.

>>49930278
Just ask to play Kill Team, most will be down as it's a nice change of pace.

Plus most of the starter sets can be fielded for a basic army, usually on the lower ends of fights.

>>49930260
I play Kill Team more anyway, it just gets to be a nuisance when discussing.

>>49930278
HoR Kill Team is real fun, nice quick games and you won't have as many models to paint.

>>49930278
definitely, but keep an open mind if you're choosing an army specifically for kill team: not all armies are as infantry-based as Kill Team demands.

I doubt you'd have much trouble convincing people to play kill team with you; they're short and fun

Is it better to ally in Chaos Daemons or Khorne Daemonkin for a little allied Khorne daemon themed force?

Just planning on a Bloodthirster, some blood letters mooks and maybe bloodcrushers either way.

>>49930272
I think there proposed objection was that no one had ever brought nids to the table and they didn't fancy playing pass the iPad to check the rules. It was pretty retarded. I also didn't know how hard nids suck at the moment, which is why I'm transitioning out to IG as I prefer those models as my tastes have changed and feel like there are plenty of ally options open.

>>49930278
I'd wait till Christmas. There's talks of better starter boxes coming out around then.

>>49930311
then prepare to switch to GSC cause guard aren't much better

Does gw announce when a set is going oop? Like when they won't make betrayal at calth, or the reclamation legion, etc.

Or do you just have to guess?

>>49927953
but how would space marine players cope with having to roll a 4+ for once in their lives

>>49930445
Depends I guess. If you want super cheap stuff then probably buy up all those old AoBR and the DA/CSM kits you'll find em super cheap these days

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Is an all-jetbike Eldar army list too cheesy? I don't want to be a dick.

i want to cuddle with eldar[/spoiler

>>49928315
do not give sentinels lascannons

>>49929648
>>49929508

>Mandrakes are good yoo guize!

Are you that fuckwit that thought incubi beat custodes in CC? Are you just incapable of doing basic maths?

>>49928486
in an "all-or-nothing deep strike half your army into their deployment zone on turn 1 and hope for the best" kind of way, sure

>>49930490
>Is an all-Eldar army list too cheesy?
yes

What do you guys thinking this kill team list? Hoping to test it out this week.

+++ Tau kill team (198pts) +++

++ Tau Empire: Codex (2015) (Kill Team Detachment) (198pts) ++

+ Troops (125pts) +

Kroot Carnivores (70pts) [10x Kroot, Sniper Rounds]

Strike Team (55pts) [5x Fire Warrior with Pulse Rifle]
··DS8 Tactical Support Turret [Missile Pod]

+ Fast Attack (73pts) +

TX4 Piranhas (73pts)
··TX4 Piranha [Disruption Pod, Fusion Blaster, Seeker Missile]

>>49930493
I'm the guy he was arguing with
Mandrakes, ok, sure they could be fun if you wanted to throw them in to a haemonculus list

but I wouldn't use them anywhere else. Also incubi have ZERO synergy with anything else in the DE codex, ally them with eldar and run aspect heavy StrikingScorpions or some other nonsense where garbage disposal is a thing.

>>49929957
Ribbed for her pleasure.

>>49930061
Indeed. This is the first time I have seen the same realisation posted in a year.
Not saying this is a pasta or you are copying / making a blatant realisation.
It shows that yes this is a problem and anyone who takes time down to compare comes to an identical correct conclusion.
Balance between books, yet alone among units in the same book, are poor in 40k for a large number of factions.

>>49930490
It's cheesy, but if it's not a sea of grey plastic and well painted I'd still play against it.

You can tone it down somewhat by limiting yourself to one special weapon per 3 bikes, or counting some as shining spears.

>>49930549
Looks good, I'd drop the disruption pod and seeker missiles for some more kroot/fire warriors or replace the pirahna wholesale for a single crisis suit.

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>>49927953
>Get new WD
>It's dlc and 20% off Warhammer:TW
ree i wanted models

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>>49930598
>Middle spread about Dark Eldar and the Army of the month is Blood Ravens
nevermind this is pretty cool

>>49930445
There's a last chance too buy section of the webstore. If its going oop it'll get moved too their.

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Just got Nov WD, HH Custodes get Krak and Plasma grenades.

Spear Custodes have Preturnatural Skill, The Sodalitym Inviolable Psyche and Bulky special rules.

Preturnatural Skill: +1 to Initiative in the Assault if their WS is equal or above the majority WS of the unit or units they are fighting.

Sodality: Units made up of models with this rule get a unit coherancy of 3 inches instead of 2. They can also attempt to regroup with an unmodified Leadership test regardless of casualties taken or other effects.

Inviolable Psyche: Immune to Fear and can re-roll deny the witch.

Armour has 2+ Save and 5+ Invuln.

Guardian Spears have the Lightning Blows rule, meaning on 6s they generate extra attacks. Those attacks don't generate new ones.

Shield guys have Praesidium Shields, 4+ re-rollable Invuln.

Spears are Str User but +1 on charge, 3 AP but 2 on the charge, Specialist weapon, Warblades are User Stre, 3 AP, Rending and specialist weapon.

There's going to be a bunch more of SoS and Custodes and other stuff in a FW book Horus Heresy 7: Talons of the Emperor.

These guys being available to any Loyalist faction using "Agents of the Emperor" line of the Age of Darkness Allies chart.

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>>49929930

A little bit6 bigger overall

>>49929219
>Deep Striking should be a risk.

And it is, since that dude with the homer/beacon can be shot to pieces. That I have no problems with. But units just having an innate ability or there being something you can place on the board that lets you deep strike to them without a problem is a bit bullshit. How do you counter them?

>Sounds good to me.

Great, now shooty terminators, vehicles and shooty MCs are mostly useless.

>no-one should be auto-passing anything
>Ignore Cover should not completely nullify cover, except on Flamers.

Well, that's consistent. What other auto-passes do you give an auto-pass?

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Just looked at the daemons boonfor the first tin in a couple of years. Those points costs are atrocious, Jesus Christ. Every MC in th book needs at least a 100 point discount. There's no reason a T5/T6 model should cost 300 points, especially with shit like the Riptide and Wraithknight around.

>>49930724
>those typos
I'm sorry for being a shitty phoneposter. Please forgive me.

>>49930724
If it makes you feel better you can make them nigh unkillable regardless.

>>49930696
Well, they got grenades, which is nice, but holy shit they gave them BETTER storm shields? I kind of expected the 5+ invulnerable save anyway, but these are now better in almost every way to DWK or Paladins, let alone regular Termies.
My Admech dont particularly care, as I have my Infiltrators for what little melee I require, but damn thats a good set of rules on a 2W EW T5 platform for ~60pts.

>>49930763
It's the rules for HH custodes, so unless you play against HH marine fest games, they'll be using the 40k version the rules wich are much more toned down.

>>49930696
>Horus Heresy 7: Talons of the Emperor
Isn't that Inferno? Hate to be that guy but pics or it didn't happen.

>>49930763
They don't have EW, and cost 165 points. They have none of the special rules from GW besides Bulky. They're also Troops.

Shield guys are elites and are 195 pts.

>>49930787
Yeah, it's Inferno, they're part of the Talons of the Emperor army. Sorry, Mistyped.

>>49930781
>>49930790
Wonderful, that seems a lot more balanced, sorry I got a bit confused, haven't got my WD yet.
The only Heresy players at my store play Ultramarines and World Eaters and spend all their time having duels among themselves and their Primarchs, so I don't really care.

>>49930795
Ok, no problem, but still won't believe it until I have scans or something, sorry becasue >Liying on the internet. I like the rules though.

>>49930823
I post this and >>49930814 happens on hhg. Sorry again for being an asshole.

>>49930790
The fuck are you talking about, what rules have you been reading?

They only cost 50ppm, they do have Eternal Warrior, and they're all Elites.

The GW rules that were posted are also temporary holdovers until they're printed in an official book, in which case we will definitely see changes that will probably make them even more powerful, just like what happened with Purestrain Genestealers between the Ghosar Quintus datasheets and the Genecult Codex.

WD guy here.. There's some pretty nice terrain pieces coming.

Haemotrope Reactors for 25 pounds/40$, Magewraith Throne/Balewind Vortex at 10 pounds/15$

Also really nice Hero bases. 8 bases per pack, 2 32mm, 5 40mm, 1 60mm.

One of them is a shattered Russ turret. 20 pounds/35$.

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>>49930854
>>49930866

>>49930855
Pics of the reactors

>>49930854
reading comprehension isnt a thing these days i see

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>>49930881
>>49930855

Not WD guy but my buddy sent me these earlier

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>mfw my LGS is dropping GW discount from 20% to 10%

>>49930899
>>49930903

Yeah those are the reactors. Literally fueled by the blood of the righteous.

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>>49930920
>>49930903
>>49930899

For what purpose is the blood?

>>49930899
>>49930903
Literal blood reactors with skulls on them.

>"Archmagos Hans... are we the heretics?"

>>49930931
>>49930928
>>49930920
>>49930903
>>49930899

Remind me again why Chaos is so bad?

Can anyone suggest a good site to get magnets from for 40k? Mainly for vehicles but possibly also some really small ones for character/HQ/Elites' weapons.

>>49930899
>>49930903
They look ok not great if you ignore the giant skull. That looks bad.

>>49930502
>>49928938
Isnt skyhammer supposed to be OP?
So for marines only double demi company and iron hands smashfucker lists are tournament worthy?

>>49930948
They don't do it in the name of the False Emperor.

>>49930952
That's the Ad Mech logo though.

>>49930899
>>49930903
Any mention that do they have any rules?

>>49930952
What are they gonna cost? And will a box include 2?

>>49930973
Box of two Haemotrope Reactors for 25 pounds/40$

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>>49931010
That's... not terrible, actually. Intrigued.

>>49930598
>>49930668

Can I have your code?

>>49931087
I've already got the game, so you can have my 20% off code if you want.

>>49931104

Me too just didn't want to have to go into GeeDubs on the 28th for the free code. Thanks, broski.

>>49930903

Guys, your scenery people might have a bit of a Khorne problem.

>>49931125
Just order off the GW site if you don't want to go into a store?

>>49931148

They're giving out the DLC codes for free without the WD next Saturday.

Why are shotguns not just a setting on a las rifle?

>>49931176
Because it's a rifle.

>>49931176
Because laser shotgun is a terrible idea that only a no-gunz liberal faggot at FFG would come up with something like that.

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>>49931188

Tech thralls in 30k can take las shotguns.

>>49931188
I don't want to have to make 6 shotgun guardsmen that wouldn't be useful in any other situation if I want to try out assault IG. It's silly that shotguns are normal in the future but everything else is lasers.

>>49931208

"Why doesn't this simple to manufacture focused light weapon have a diffuse light setting"

is it acceptable to play tau as a Cheese buster?
our FLGS has recently gained an unsavory member,
a WAAC fag of scale i heard of only on here.
he plays marines with enough terminators to make a Michael bay style film.
my guard don't pack the fire power to take on so many of them. jesus it was like watching a wave hit rocks.
i want to rip that fucker a new one, and i don't exactly like necrons.

>>49928858

Slann were in 40k lore as old ones weren't they back in the day

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>>49931232
Anon. They're Terminators.

You must use Genestealers.

>>49931232
More autocannons and las cannon HWTs brah. Melta vets. You should already be running all of this.

>>49931241
we uh, had a guy with genestealers try, got through some terminators, slaughtered by the rest of his army... Close quarters isn't an option

>>49931208
Shotguns are like the second gun we invented and they're still being made today, when we got nukes and shit. If you think it's silly you're clearly not informed of the versatility of shotguns and the advantages of chemical propellants.

>inb4 "why doesn't Guard use autoguns instead of lasguns then"

Because autogun and lasgun fill in more or less the same need, lasguns are just simpler and easier to supply. No regiment is shotguns only, so the extra hassle in supply and maintenance is acceptable, since there is no alternative for it.

>>49931252
i run tank hunting Sentinels with lascannons. all my chimeras have auto cannons. meltavets too.
guard ballistic skill is piss weak. and drenching termies in lasgun fire isn't exactly effective.

>>49931051

Sheeeeit nigga I can finally pin my tau battlesuits to some of these

>>49931280
Sentinels with las cannons are useless at bs 3 Anon. The goal is to force the most high strength shots. You should have multi lasers on the chimeras and using the points in walkers to put auto cannons in your blobs.

>>49931232
>WAAC fag
>Terminators

Anon, give that guy a medal

>>49931232
desu Riptides are Tau's TEQ so it should be alright

Reposting this from Kill Team general as it is slooow.
What do you think of this GW KT list /tg/?
Inquisition Henchmen Warband

Chimera - 2x Hbolter, psybolt, dozer blade. 65pts

1x Crusader (leader) 15 pts
8x Acolyte w/ storm bolter/chainsword, 7pts each.
2x Acolyte w/ plasma gun/chainsword and carapace. Specialists, Master-crafted and Preferred enemy. 18pts each.
1x Acolyte w/ melta gun, combi-flamer and carapace. Specialist, Executioner. 28pts.

Special weapon acolytes hide in Chimera and shoot anything remotely dangerous, Melta guy flames any big groups of chaff from the hatch.
Crusader hides in the chimera unless there is some ranged specialist I want dead, where he hops out and hopes to live till next turn.
Rest of the Acolytes go wherever.

>>49931235
Do las weapons even project through a lens? Why don't the imperiums enemies just wear shiny armor if it acts exactly like light?

>>49931232
Take nothing but infantry squads. Even terminators have a 1/6 chance to die from a lasgun to the EVERYTHING

>>49931298
>Sentinels with las cannons are useless at bs 3 Anon.

You take a full squad and Outflank the enemy.

>>49931336
Once you hit a laser powerful enough to start flash-vaporising material reflective armour becomes a lot less practical, the Tau have something on their suits that disperses light somehow IIRC, but it's not a practical defence to rely on primarily. Yes, all it does is focus the photons through a lens into a beam, turning whatever it touches into plasma causing rapid expansion and heat-dumping.

>>49931051

Oh i liek dat

>>49931264
I meant GSC not regular Genestealers.

>>49930188
nothing serious, just don't give a damn about them. enjoy your minis.

Trying out corsairs - how does this look for a first list? Units with Rage are forced to charge the closest unit to them, even if they shot something else, which is why I've specified which units were given rage.
Plan is to have the Prince join Baron+Cloud Dancer Felarchs and go MEQ hunting, use the reavers to pop transports for others to charge, and dark lances for good measure. The void dreamer is going with the Voidstorms and Baron #2 to zip them across the board for light infantry hunting.

EC Corsair Fleet Raiding Company [FW]) (1500pts)

Command Crew (250pts)
Corsair Prince (140pts) Forceshield, Reaper of the Outer Dark, Void Sabre, Wild Psyker (ML1), Cloud Dancer

Corsair Void Dreamer (110pts) Corsair Jet Pack, ML3, Rage, Shimmershield

Cotorie 1 (Hate Bringers)

Corsair Baron (105pts) Rage, Shadow Field, Void Sabre, Wild Psyker (ML1), Cloud Dancer

Corsair Cloud Dancer Band (120pts)
3x Cloud Dancer w/ Dark Lance

Corsair Cloud Dancer Band (120pts)
3x Cloud Dancer w/ Dark Lance

Corsair Cloud Dancer Band (120pts) [Rage]
3x Cloud Dancer Felarch (40) Venom Blade


Cotorie 2 [Titan Breakers]

Corsair Baron (70pts) Corsair Jet Pack, Rage, Shadow Field, Venom Blade

Corsair Voidstorm Band (250pts)
6x Corsair Felarch w/ Lasblaster, Venom Blade, Corsair Jet Packs, Rage
4x Corsair Felarch w/ Lasblaster, Corsair Jet Packs, Rage

Corsair Reaver Band (155pts)
3x Corsair w/ Lasblaster, Haywire Grenades, Rage
2x Corsair w/ Fusion Gun, Haywire Grenages, Rage
Corsair Venom w/ Splinter Cannon x2

Corsair Reaver Band (155pts)
3x Corsair w/ Lasblaster, Haywire Grenades, Rage
2x Corsair w/ Fusion Gun, Haywire Grenages, Rage
Corsair Venom w/ Splinter Cannon x2

Corsair Reaver Band (155pts)
3x Corsair w/ Lasblaster, Haywire Grenades, Rage
2x Corsair w/ Fusion Gun, Haywire Grenages, Rage
Corsair Venom w/ Splinter Cannon x2

>>49931348
Wow! 1.5 wounds that will most likely have a cover save before they get their shit wrecked.

>>49931417
For 135pts. Meanwhile a meltavet squad in a Chimera costs 155pts., causes 2 hits, and has to survive the trip to within 12" of the target to even have a chance at them. Most likely facing the front armour of the enemy and most likely they're much well protected by cover from hits coming from the front than from the sides.

>>49931280
>and drenching termies in lasgun fire isn't exactly effective.
What are orders?
Do you use First Rank fire, Second Rank Fire?
If the BS is bad, how about a primaris who can twinlink a blob with magiks

>>49931495
Or give them rending... or, as a level 2, why not give them both!

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>>49930899
>>49930903
>did someone say tubes?
10 minutes in paint

>>49931549
Can I get a Low Gothic translation please?

I'm just a poor imperial pleb, after all.

>>49929004
>2016
>being butthurt about drop pods
Whatever anon. Not a snowballs chance in hell that GW changes it, so keep wasting your time bitching.

>>49930248
Well this is the path you chose. Maybe if you didn't have some kind of deep moral, spiritual, emotional, and possibly sexual flaw, you wouldn't be this way.

I tabled an Ork army in two turns yesterday, I think I may need to tune down my list.

How do I make myself less effective against Orks?

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>>49931555
I prepared such a thing just for this occasion.

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>>49931577
Fucking Ad Mech.

Were the rules for Geigor the Fell-Hand released?
I searched in the older generals, but I wasn't able to find anything
Did I miss them or we have to wait until Saturday to know them?

>>49928013
Thankyou for killing these foul daemons, apparently sanctioned ab-humans.

>>49931573
Play as Orks. Side benefit of making you worse against other armies too!

>>49931684
But my army is already about maximum dakka

>>49931573

post list, we're not fucking psychic

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>my post still hasn't come
>still no WD pictures
>still no Grombindal DLC code

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

Anyone have the KillTeam PDF?

>>49931794
Check the KT general, OP image is the pdf.

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Reposting from the kill team general for a bit of feedback as a new player.

Ordering some Death Korps this month, going to build a kill team first. Hows this look? I'm worried its a bit fragile.

Grenadier Squad - 10 models
Watchmaster w/ hotshot laspistol & ccw [Team Leader]
Grenadier w/ Meltagun [Eagle Eye]
Grenadier w/ Hotshot Lasgun [Executioner]
7 Grens w/ Hotshots

Combat Engineers - 5 models
Watchmaster w/ Shotgun & Meltabombs
Engineer w/ Plasmagun [Preferred Enemy]
3 Engineers w/ Shotguns

Frag, krak, and carapace armor are standard for both unit selections. With what I'm buying I'll also have some flamers and grenade launchers I could swap in along with a heavy stubber but I'm not entirely sure if I want to pack more anti infantry or have a bit of AT.

>>49931843
Not sure about the specifics of the Death Korps army lists, but do you have any form of light transport? Chimeras or similar are worth their weight in gold.

What is the most ignored rule?
My vote goes to randomly allocated hits.

>>49931892

Steal the Initiative

>>49931912
ha, i roll every time

>>49931873
Yeah, I can take storm chimeras and centaur carriers. I'd have to cut a decent amount for them though. Storm chimeras are 75 points but at least have some cool stuff over the normal variants like an autocannon and track guards. Centaur carriers are open topped and fast but have like no weapons beyond a heavy stubber but only engineers can take them for 40 points.

As a side note grens are minimum ten men from the codex I'm using so thats 120 points just to take a squad of them. Platoons are 190 points so things are tight to fit into 200.

Why does GW now hate Black Templars so much?

>own Codex gets removed
>have own infantry
>can't use it for any formation
>have a Reculsiarch that was inseparable from his command squad in lore
>can't have him join a command squad to form a Reclusiam squad
>Chapter Master holds the reforged blade of Regal Dorn
>barely better than a Power Sword
>best formation for the is Skyhammer
>doesn't fit their fluff at all
>chapter tactics are borderline unusable because nobody in their right mind would engage them after killing a model during shooting and half the time you do manage to charge you have to hope that none of your crusader die

>>49928486
Taking nothing but MEQ is silly. Termies, centurions, dreads, and land raiders are all your friend.

Also why are the sky hammer devs both 10 man? The fuck are half the marines gonna do? Plink away at a riptide with their bolters? The devs are basically a suicide unit. They come in and fucking wreck one enemy unit, and then get smoked because they're a massive target. Having 5 marines as a buffer doesn't really change that.

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>>49931964

Play 30k, where at least you are still usable.

Also.

>>49931983

What the FUCK is that... WE COVENANT NOW

>>49931761
Here

Battle congregation
-tech-priest dominus (warlord) 120pts
Edradication ray

-3 kataphron destroyers 165pts
heavy-grav
-3 kataphron breachers 150pts
arc rifles
-3 kataphron breachers 150pts
torsion cannons

Skitarii maniple
-10 vanguard 135pts
phsopher blast, arc maul, conversion field
-10 vanguard 110pts
tazer goad
-10 rangers 160pts
2 arc rifles, omnispex

-5 rust stalkers 170pts
conversion field

-2 ironstriders 110ts
twin-linked cognis autocannons
-2 dune crawlers 230pts
neutron laser and cognis stubber

EXACTLY 1500 points, tech priest goes with he first vanguard squad.

>>49931994
It's a shampoo bottle with some bits on it.

>>49931983

I am so erect. What the hell is this thing?

>>49931983

Oh wow, that thing would make a perfect Cult Limo with some conversion work.

Hey guys, rate my 850 Cult Mechanicus list :^)

Cohort Cybernetica
- Cybernetica Datasmith
- Raiment of the Technomartyr
- Cybernetica Datasmith
- Mask of the Alpha Dominus
- 4x Kastelan Robot
- Twin-Linked Heavy Phosphor Blaster
- Carapace-mounted Heavy Phosphor Blaster

- Tech Priest Dominus
- Autocaduceus of the Arkhan Land
- Conversion Field
- Eradication ray
- Digital Weapons

>>49932097
Prepare to be tabled by a single nurgle daemon prince.

>>49932097

Functional/10.

Bare in mind I only need to focus fire down one robot before your majority toughness sucks balls.

>>49932097
>6 models
kek, thats pretty shoddy

>>49932097
>Executioner
>vindicator
>Plasma forgefeind
>Basically any artillery
all good counters

Just got my Chaos Hellcannon in the mail, an out of production figurine usually used in the Fantasy range that I intend to use for 40K conversion work. Any suggestions what to stick it on? A Knight, perhaps?

>>49932118
Place a Datasmith in front to be the first casualty.

>>49931983
we old school now:
>>49932129
>>49931909

>>49928364
Meari-san pls, if you want to win Takeshi's heart you should play Tau

>>49932118
you need to focus down two, you go with highest majority in a tie.

>>49928726
Angels blade is literally fine. Orbital intervention, golden host, and the new DC formation are all fucking choice.

Reminder:
>fast scouting land raiders
>DC can get 6A on a charge with S5 rerolling everything

They aren't the best, but to say they are a bad army after angels blade is factually incorrect.

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>>49932060
http://wargameexclusive.com/shop/imperial-soldiers/imperial-civil-limo-on-antigravs-28mm/

>>49929116
>playing orks
>expecting anything but pain and misery
laughingsluts.jpg

I'm really sorry half the shit in your dex is lolrandum d6 values

>>49928387
i`d say around 1k points, but 500 could work,too

>>49931232
Leman
Russ
Punishers.

20 shots hitting on 4s.
Wounding on 3s.

Math hammer says the punisher cannon only kills one terminator per turn, but I've lost 8 terminators to 3 punishers in a single turn before.

>>49929219
>but no-one should be straight up ignoring gameplay elements.

So how do you feel about the games psychology rules?

>>49931964
>>own Codex gets removed
IMO this should happen to every snowflake chapter. There's no reason that Space Wolves, Blood/Dark Angels, Deathwatch, Grey Knights are separate factions. They should at best be a supplement for Codex: Space Marine (or whatever GWs IP freaks call it)

>>49932525
>IMO this should happen to every snowflake chapter.

This idea really fucked Chaos and pretty much killed the Legions.

Plus your contempt for different chapters disgusts me. I bet you hate custom chapters too. Bet you hate homebrew anything.

>>49929705
or get friends who are not whiny CSM players.

>>49932409
Yeah its a completely different game if they also sport 3 heavy bolters, heavy stubbers and are given Preferred Enemy and rerolls to hit. Thats average ~9 dead terminators per turn.

Am I That Guy if I dont paint my guardsmen eyes? It scares me. They all look good and uniform and I'm aftaid to fuck them all up.

>>49932525
Personally I think that they should do the Space Marines like HH.
Core book for generic
Separate book(s) with unique entries

>Codex: Adeptus Astartes
>Adeptus Astartes: Codex Compliant
>Adeptus Astartes: Non Codex Compliant

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>>49932603
sometimes it's better not to paint their eyes

>>49931232
Why the fuck are people replying to this? Terminators being cheese?! Get the fuck out!

>>49932639
>So THAT'S how a Techpriest repaired the toaster...

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>>49932639

>>49932639
>double 6 on a moral test

>>49930696

Can I have your TWW DLC code?

>>49932757
Already used it to get Grombrindal, but 20% off code is still available.

>>49932525
Fuck that shit. Give every Founding chapter their own codex (including successor chapters) to show that 10k years of existence has changed their ways and means of war, albeit slowly. Ultramarine codex is just a few pages in the vanilla SM codex. Supplements are for subfactions that have a reason to be significantly deviant (Black Templar) from their founding chapter or are significant later founding chapters.

Bonus points if GW lets the fans influence which chapters get a supplement. Grey Knights, BTs, Deathwatch would all be supplements. If the fans love the Blood Ravens or the Raptors or Exorcists or whatever, GW takes it into consideration when they look to releasing their further supplements.

>>49932811
Nah. Too much rules to remember. Just give old Chapter Traits back, they were amusing.

>>49932141
My friend fitted his to a Stormsword chassis to be an anything gun, mainly a stormsword / stormblade or a shadowsword.

Looks sick.

>>49932772
Hit me up, champ
[email protected]

>>49932772
20% off what, exactly?

>>49932834
At least give the rest of the founders a supplement. They should all be fairly unique in terms of formations and some gear and such.

I'm really just salty that the Salamanders don't have a codex yet.

I want to get back into 40k but i'm not sure what army, I have more money than when I played Blood Angels and i'm thinking Tyranids, any advice on where to buy what units are a must have etc?

>>49932941
18 supplements for marines and spiky marines? Yeah, nah.

>>49932941
Mate, the whole point of them all being in the same codex is that they all accepted the Codex Astartes, which uniformed everything.

Heck, even in 30k they all had mostly the same options.

>>49932953
At this point, they're almost finished. After they do 1k Sons, they'll probably do Death Guard, World Eaters, and Emo Marines. What's that leave? Salamanders, Ravens, Scars, Iron Warriors?

>>49931394
I've been considering to get a Prince, baron + Cloud Dancer Felarch with pretty much identical loadout for some allied assault

List looks fun, not sure what I would change. Please updates us on how the list works when you've had a chance to try it

>>49932953
>18 supplements
More like 9, legions don't exist anymore; all the night lords forgot how to be sneaky and iron warriors forgot how to artillery and the word bearers forgot how to summon daemons.
:^)

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Guys, if a champion of chaos rolls Dark Apothesis but has no mark, does he become a markless prince?

I just ask since you can't actually field a markless prince normally.

Rate my list for ITC play.

++Necron CAD++
HQ: 2 Necron Overlords w/ Warscythe, Phase Shifter, Gauntlet of Flame and Command Barge w/ Gauss Cannon - 190 x 2 = 380. One of them is the Warlord.

Troops: 3 units of 5 Immortals w/ Gauss Blasters - 85 × 3 = 255

Elites: 2 units of 5 Flayed Ones - 65 x 2 = 130

Fast Attack: 2 units of 3 Tomb Blades w/ TL Gauss Blaster & Nebuloscope - 60 x 2 = 120

Heavy Support - 3 Annihilation Barges - 120 x 3 = 360

++Tau Armored Interdiction Cadre++

3 Hammerheads w/ Ion Cannon & TL SMS - 125 x 3 = 375

Skyray Squadron of 2, w/ TL SMS - 230

Total - 1850

That's 10 AV 13 hulls on the board.

Flayed Ones are bubblewrap, everything else shoots. Tomb blades moveblock/grab maelstrom objectives, Immortals camp objectives and harass.

The Armored Interdiction Cadre gets to nominate a point on the map each turn and reroll to-hit anything within 6" of that point each turn. I basically have 3 twin-linked Battle Cannons. The Skyrays alpha-strike a trouble unit, or do AA/Markerlight support.

For ITC, Invisibility just means BS 1 instead of snapshots. This lets me Blast, Flamer, or use Tesla. For Nova or other settings where Invisibility uses BRB rules, drop the Flame Gauntlets and replace one of the Annihilation Barges with a Culexus.

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Anyone have a large uncropped original image of this?

>>49931892
Tank shock, also I guess the shooting profile for some of the grenades

>>49931892
Soul Blaze. Whee.