MTG EDH/Commander General

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First for Lin Sivvi!

Better update your copy pasta. Magiccards.info is up to date now, though that admittedly was an unnerving couple of months.

>>49924726
>Horrible Eldritch Monstrosities edition
Well, this seems the best moment to ask for help then.

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/cozyleek-the-gureito-disutoushon-1/

>>49924794
No, its not. Older cards still say "put a token" instead of create.

>>49924726
I'd never seen the full art for OGW Kozilek before, that's pretty fucking sweet.

>>49924826
The card database is up to date. That's all that matters, really.

So whats the dumbest way you have won a EDH game? Mine would have to be sitting behind ghostly prison, propaganda and a shit ton of lifegain until the game was 1v1 and then playing aetherflux reservoir and bolting the last guy in the face immediately.

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>>49924790
First for hazduhr the abbot!

>>49925088

Probably the time 2 people drew like 60 cards with consecrated Sphinx and then I cast windfall to mill everybody but me out of the game

What if i want to play a Grixis deck without playing Nekusar or Marchesa? How does it usually function?

>>49925178
Jeleva spellslinger
Any number of reanimate decks, ie. Sedris

>>49925088
>opponents on 6/20 life
>attack with daxos of meletis bestowed with ghostblade eidolon
>top a sanguine bond and consume spirit from both triggers
>15 untapped mana
>ggnore

>>49925178
G A R Z A Z O L
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>>49925159
>>49925088
By some strange turn of events I had consecrated sphinx, laboratory maniac and alhammarret's archive down. drawing off the sphinx gave me anvil of bogardan, howling mine, phryrexian metamorph, copy artifact and render silent.

cloned the archive 2 times, played the mine and anvil, passed and rendered silent the next guy right away. drew 48 cards in both of there drawsteps and won the game

>>49925178
Play Nicol Bolas and tutor up Quicksilver Dagger or anything else to turn him into a pinger, then drink your opponent's tears.

You could also use Lord of Tresserhorn with Grave Pact effects and Notion Thief to use his ETB trigger to your advantage (or Torpor Orb to negate it altogether)

>>49925178

Grixis can do reanimator with red and blue draw-discard effects and black reanimation

It can do control with all the good removal and counterspells and card advantage

It's the perfect colors for storm, and it's good for a general spellslinger deck too

>>49925113
Hey Abbot!

>>49925088
Sydri Commander damage and Blue Sun's Zenithing someone to death. Same game. It was cancerous.

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>>49925178
I've tried making Sedris work, normally I just have too little mana in the wrong colors. See what you can do maybe? MVP worldgorger dragon for letting you keep your team of unearthed monsters.

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>>49925349

>>49925178
Jeleva spellslinger
Lord of Tresserhorn voltron
Sedris reanimator
Garza Zol magpies and specters tribal

Are there any other cards like laboratory maniac and psychosis crawler that can be win conditions for drawing decks

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Is there anyway to play with oloro without making everyone at the table just naturally hating me other than have everyone playing a life gain deck? Or is naturally passive players something from magical Christmas land?

>Literally 2-3 weeks from Commander product
>nothing has been revealed yet

I know it isnt a major set release or anything, but Wizards knows that Commander is probably the 2nd most played format in magic (silently), so its just amazing that they havent tried to get us hype at all.

Even WoTC employees gloat all the time about how often they even play EDH around the office.

>>49925502
have someone at the table play prossh

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>Fractured Powerstone taps for 1 mana
>Worn Powerstone taps for 2 mana

I wonder what an intact powerstone looks like?

>>49925504
Spoilers tomorrow, stalker.

>>49925579
Because they're both threatening?

>>49924790
Are rebels a decent tribe for edh?

>>49925502
I am working on a advisor tax/ stax deck with him. We'll see how well my group receives it. I picked Oloro for his colors, his chair.

>>49925692
well I play Oloro, the second guy I play with uses Prossh, and the 3rd one switches between Kaseto, Orochi Archmage, Azusa and G&G.

everyone's decks do stupid things, so no one gets pissy over it unless I win with sanguine bond and exquisite blood

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>>49925693
They're underrated and a nice source of card advantage combined with wide tactics like Cathars' Crusade, but they're not powerful either.

I have a Karador deck that runs the best rebels with tricks like Conspiracy and Seedborn Muse and it's actually very powerful as a control-hatebears deck, with Karador to make sure the best Rebel for the situation is always available. It can reach for answers for most occasions and is a blast to play.

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I have an Ulasht the Hate Seed deck for lower powered metas. It's got a lot of creatures in it to power Ulasht. Does anyone have advice on the best way to come back from a wrath?

>>49925741
If you can run aetherflux reservoir, its a great finisher if you can sit on lifegain

>>49925504
Maybe they are waiting for the preorders? Once the cash gets forked over they reveal a set full of janky and parasitic mechanics. Or am I thinking of Kaladesh?

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>>49925762
Replace the dead ones.

>>49925750
Sounds like a decent tribe for my playgroup then.

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>>49925810
It's fun.

This is a good Lin Sivvi primer:
http://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/the-game/commander-edh/multiplayer-commander-decklists/217186-lin-sivvi-the-rebel-scum

This is fun if you really want to abuse them and use the good non-white rebels like Big Game Hunter:
http://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/the-game/commander-edh/multiplayer-commander-decklists/607472-the-ghost-brigades-karador-rebels-aggro-control

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>>49925806
There's this guy too.

Need some help, fellas. I need cards that consistently generate artifact tokens, in mono-red/mono-brown

>>49925851
Genesis Chamber is most efficient if you don't care about your opponents getting them too.

Nuisance Engine is pretty efficient.

Sources of repeatable investigate like Tamiyo's Journal.

>>49925851
Myr Propagator
Myr Battlesphere
Myr Turbine
Things with fabricate from the new set.

>>49925806
>>49925850
Both great suggestions!

Any other thoughts?

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>tfw playing with scrubs and your Ruination does nothing even though they're playing 3-color decks

>trying to think of ways to put creatures in the grave in monoblack without wasting slots
>end up drawing so many cards that i can just discard them there in cleanup after using greed 5 times

i guess that sort of works

>>49926540
>Buried Alive
>Entomb
>Corpse Connoisseur

All that I know off the top of my head.

>>49926540

That works

Another way is to combine lots of draw effects with "everybody discards" effects like lili of the veil, so you're getting double value, filling your grave while you shred hands

>>49926540
Mesmeric Orb

>>49924726
Okay can someone explain the BfZ block to me when it comes to Eldrazi?
>Here's (not)colored Eldrazi for some reason
>Here's a way to enable Eldrazi that MUST be colorless

>>49926749
BFZ was an all-around clusterfuck, don't overthink it.

>everyone tells me meren is the best 2015 precon
>buy him for myself
>buy daxos and the boros deck for the 2 others in my play group so we can try magic
>get absolutely shit fucked by daxos
fucking liars

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>>49926772
>get absolutely shit fucked by daxos

>>49926772

Maybe you should be less bad at magic friendo

WHERE THE FUCK ARE MY CARDS, CHINAMAN

W H E R E

>>49926772
You've all but admitted you're a terrible deck pilot.

>>49925770
I am definitely running it in my Sydri deck.

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>>49925962

>>49926762
They should have printed more allies to fill that mechanic out a little and held off on the Eldrazi for one more block to have more colorless Eldrazi. It would help out two EDH archetypes forever at the potential cost of making standard a little screwy for a few months.

>>49926786
>>49926789
>>49926805
dude was drooping 4/4 angels annd 7/7 enchantment tokens at turn 5. what the fuck am i supposed to do against that when all my things cost like 6 mana and there is about 4 sac engines in the whole deck

>>49926883

I was just fucking with you dude, all the precons are equally shit tier, meren is just the best once you build it out, Mazirek is second place

Sounds like he had the nut draw with sigil of the empty throne though, which is a solid card

>>49926863
That doesn't help against an actual wrath.

>>49926883
I believe you. Meren has some awful fucking creatures. Most people cut them immediately and tune Meren and don't know what it's like to actually play with an unmodified precon. Meren is slow and random.

>>49925592
Obviously it would cost 4 and tap for 3. It would basically be a Thran Dynamo.

>>49925239
Cloned the archive? That legendary archive? Is that the one?

>>49926961
Maybe he forgot to tell us about his Mirror Gallery in play. ๏̯͡๏﴿

>>49926961
>>49927006
we were all really high that game and must have missed that, but I do have a mirror gallery in the deck

>>49927029
Nah I understand. My group smokes and plays too. I have some weird problem when I am high of always casting followed footsteps on my GAAIV, so we all make mistakes.

>playgroup is all at work
end me now /tg/.

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/scumfxxk-ii/
what are some fun things to do with this baby while I pass the time?

Skullbriar kicked major ass tonight, lads. Surprise Tainted Strike on a 9/9 Skullbriar made for some salt.

Also I think Melek is going to be taken apart. It's too slow and relies too much on the perfect sequencing of spells. I might make Azami out of the blue leftovers, because Laboratory Maniac is a riot.

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>>49927100
>>playgroup is all at work
i know that feel bro

>>49927086
I was actually hopping to get some pointers, im trying to tune my deck but my limited knowledge of esper is making it hard to find replacements for some cards. maiinly fact or fiction and Arcanis

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/oloro-rapid-drawing-and-lifegain/

Is there anything I can run to kill them as I draw out other than Psychosis Crawler?

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Just recently getting back into things after a long break, and want to make a Vorel of the Hull Clade deck.
Anyone got any suggestions of cards from the last 2-3 years that are must-haves with her?

>>49927173
hangarback walker

>>49927173

Pretty sure Vorel is a dude

>>49927148
Ponder and Thought Reflections. There I solved your problem.

>>49927223
Oh damn, you're right. Not sure how I missed that.

>>49927193
Was just looking at that card actually! Definitely going in there, thanks.

>>49927266

His outfit is pretty girly, so it's understandable

Men haven't done the bare midriff thing since college football players in the 1980's

>>49927262
>ponder
holy fuck that's perfect

Thought Reflections is good too, thank you

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Alright, /tg/...

Ive done a sit-down with my deck after being able to test it for a month, and Ive done a good overhaul of the deck. Ive cleaned up the Mana base alittle, but obviously I could use some more ramp, if its needed.

Im down to 93 cards in the main deck, so I have room for another 6 cards.

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/legion-of-heaven-2/

I think Im in despite need of more creatures that actually do things for me in a meaningful way, like find mana, creature tokens, or just have the able to stall or beat. Im open to any reasonable suggestion, as well as hearing any opinions about cards that should probably be removed for other options.

I think I will build GB Glissa. I like artifacts and she looks like an interesting take on them.

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This and Cloud Key together are high-quality

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Would your group let this guy in? Mark Rosewater is quoted as wishing it could be errata'd to legendary, plus the nephilim are unique in that they're the only 4-color creatures, and the only nephilim creatures, and certainly fit the bill for "legendary" in the Ravnica lore.

>>49926076
Jesus, I can't even imagine how slow those decks would be.

>>49927336
Why Trade Caravan? Just for the Outpost? If you really want that I would include an explorer's map.

>>49927373
I wouldn't bat an eye at it, personally. The Nephilim do interesting things, even once they're no longer the 'only' option for 4 color commanders.

>>49927435
That is being taken out, I just forgot to remove it. I know I missed something.

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>>49927373
Ink-treader plus Possibility Storm makes my head hurt.

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>>49927336

>>49927373
They might. I was actually going to ask my group if they would be OK with me running Witch-Maw.

>Two players start a huge combo-bullshit arms race that quickly gets to the point where I cannot enjoy a game if either of them are part of it
>Both of them basically get bored of EDH and sell their decks to move onto other formats or entire other hobbies
>All the new kids who we convinced to try it have either moved for college or abandoned the hobby because they kept losing on turn 3
>Spend 3+ hours every Saturday for the past 3 weeks sitting at the shop and not a single Commander player shows up
Fucking kill me

>>49927336
http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Search/Default.aspx?text=+[Equipment]&color=+@([W]|[R])

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>Forced Fruition + Uba Mask

>>49927507
It's not nearly as bad as you think. The copies made by Ink-Treader aren't cast, they're just created directly on the stack, so they won't trigger Storm.

You'd cast Spell A and trigger Possibility Storm and Nephilim. Both are your triggers, so you can stack them as you like- either you can have Nephilim aim copies at every other creature it could target, resolve all of those copies, THEN have Possibility Storm eat the original and cast a new one (which might be something Nephilim could copy, but that'd be the end of it), or you can have Storm eat the spell and flip until you hit a new one, which might trigger Nephilim.

>>49927556
What happens if the Possibility Storm is controlled by an opponent?

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>>49927336

>>49927566
Triggers are AP/NAP order. So if you did this during YOUR turn, you'd put the Nephilim trigger first, then their Storm. Storm eats the spell, digs, casts a new one (which may or may not trigger Nephilim- if so, resolve that trigger, then all the copies, THEN the original trigger)

If you did it during THEIR turn, you'd put PS on the stack first, then Nephilim. Nephillim clones the spell for all the other targetable creatures. Resolve those copies, then feed the spell to PS, and cast your new one, which may trigger Nephilim.

Not quite as scary as it looks. BED NOW.

>>49927336

You need a motherfucking assemble the legion. It goes hilariously well with cathars crusade too. Also consider martial coup, devout invocation and launch the fleet for token spam. Youre also missing a few of my favorite troll options for boros - deflecting palm, wild riccochet and comeuppance.

Hero's blade would be a nice choice too (does work in my Aurelia deck). Steelshapers gift would be good to find your sunforger and all your goddamn swords. Speaking of which you might want to add some more silver bullets for your sunforger. Also dont forget about gift of estates.

As far as actual creatures go you NEED a firemane avenger (lightning helix on a 3/3 flying stick for 4CMC!). Archangel of thune is also missing even though you are using it as the post picture!

I think you have enough lifelink to make sunbound hilarious and gross. I also think you could use a couple more low cost creatures and you have a lot of options there.

>>49927553
>Uba Mask
Love that card

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>tfw I just pre ordered planechase anthology for $130

Yeah I know the app exists but I want the cards and my playgroup loves doing planechase occasionally. Fun stuff.

>>49927373
>>49927482
>>49927430
I made him once. Just filled the deck with as many threaten cards as I could find. Everyone of them was a 3-5 CMC Insurrection.

Wasn't allowed to do it a second time.

>>49927373
We wouldn't allow it.

Just wait for the new 4 color commanders.

I need advice on my deck. I feel like the list has gotten too messy, and I need to clean it up and make some changes. Any help /tg/?
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/ghave-guru-of-value-1/

Spoilers tonight??? I'm buying in to EDH with these precons

>>49927534
That sucks dude. I know your pain.

That arms race bullshit just kills playgroups. I'd sit down for a game with you if I could.

>>49927640
gA! Any chance of a judge thread soon? I've got a fistful I've been meaning to ask, but it seems I always miss 'em.

Anybody ever play commander on MTGO? What have your experiences been?

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http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/confrontation/

Looking to make Szadek as my second ever from-scratch deck, without basing it on a precon/primer/deck I liked on tappedout.

I'm currently at 171/99 mainboard cards, and It's taken me longer and longer to make each cut after I cut to 200 out of 430 initial cards.

Can /edhg/ make this easier by pointing out which cards i'm retarded for having/not having?

Pic related for those who don't want to go on tappedout.

>>49928379
almost as bad as cockatrice, primary difference is fewer ragequitters. I personally wouldn't bother.

>>49928516
Added sword of the animist, sculpting steel and newlamog. Rationale for sword is too much earlygame value to pass up on in colors that suck for ramp. Sculpting steel is a 3 mana solemn or sol ring in the worst case, and in magical christmasland, a second keening stone. Newlamog is just high value mill+removal.

>>49928005
What's the app called? Is it available for Android?

>>49927336
Persist (e.g. twilight sheperd) + Cathar's Crusade + Sac outlet goes infinite in monoW, consider adding that combo.

>>49928312
As in banned general or hated to death?

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http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/24-10-16-creatureless-control/
just built this what do you think /tg

>>49928335
Spoilers will be coming today, although when today is unknown.

>>49927373
>>49928782
Not him, but Ink-Treader Nephilim is just disgusting.

You play all the token generation you can, either that generates for yourself, or for your opponents (Like genesis chamber and Forbidden Orchard) then stuff the entire deck fucking full of cantrips.

>Play commander
>theres 10 or so creatures on board (Other people playing their regular strategy + you making them tokens constantly)
>1 mana, draw 10 cards,
>draw another 1 mana cantrip
>repeat
>draw entire deck
>win

There basically can't be creatures on the board or he just wins out of nowhere.

I'm planning on building an Orzhov deck, would I be better off buying a complete set of cards somewhere or buying a Gatecrash booster box?

>>49928799
How does it win?

>>49928959
bond/blood combo and drain lifes with lots of mana

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>>49925088
>playing UG goodstuff
>about 60 cards in deck and have lethal on board
>players desperately looking for an out
>guy casts windfall as a last effort in finding an answer
>flash in tooth and nail
>grab consecrated sphinx and lab maniac
>they each draw 14, I draw 70

It fealt so dirty winning like that, but god damn was it fun.

>>49928999
That doesn't sound interactive and fun at all.

>>49929028
Seconded.

>>49929028
forgot Triskaidekaphobia as well

>>49929016
Report UGx threads
Hide UGx posts
Assault UGx players

>>49929028

>control deck isn't interactive

Oh no he played interactive the whole game but on the final play he won without using combat, what an unfun deck

>>49928578
>almost as bad as cockatrice

In what way? Just that people are shitters online?

>>49929115

I don't think cockatrice is that bad but I've certainly noticed a bit of an epidemic of premature unceremonious scooping

>>49929028
Yeah, the minute that was over I retired the deck

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Can lantern control be achieved in edh

>>49929182

Short answer: yes
Long answer: yes, but no

>>49929194
Would it be fun, and is there enough support to actually play this

>>49925178
Jeleva storm is commonly regarded as one of the best competitive EDH lists. Top of tier 1 if not tier 0, right up there with doomsday Zur

>>49929211
According to whom?

>>49925850
>nontoken

Probably not as wanted in an Ulasht deck.

>>49925404
Dun forget Teferi's veil and sundial of the infinite for jank

Give me a fun way to Simic Commander that is not Vorel, Kraj, Kaseto, or mindless goodstuff.

>>49928595
>Persist + Cathars Crusade is infinite
I don't think you understand how counters work

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http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/24-10-16-skittles/

Hey guys what do you think of my Skittles deck?

>>49929433
There isn't one.

>>49929452

Nice b8

>>49929433

>"goodstuff is so mindless"
>too dumb to build his own decks

>>49929433

>mindless goodstuff
Name 70 UG goodstuff then

I haven't played in three months and don't know when I'll be able to, but I am so excited for spoilers.

>>49929433
Newzuri with a 1/1 counter theme.

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>>49929433
You could do Rashmi with a ridiculously strong topdeck theme. Like, none of this half assed sylvan library/top business, go all out, with every synergy. Run a goddamn counterbalance, run miracles. Arbiter of the Ideal! Conundrum sphinx! Deceiver of Forms! Hua tuo! Djinn of wishes! Heed the mists! Into the Wilds! Jalira! I you haven't heard of most of these cards, no worries, that's the point, and neither have I! Become the lord of really weird, potentially risky card advantage!

Also, sprinkle some tribal into whatever, it always gives it a bit more character.

Another fun one can be Ezuri morph.

So any idea what time the 2016 precons will be announced. I'm pretty sure it's today isn't it?

>tfw Commander 2016 could be spoiled any minute now

>>49930222
Probably in about four to five hours, that's when articles usually go up on the motherboard.
Also, their Card of the Day is Dune-Brood Nephilim.
H Y P E
Y
P
E

>>49930457
Of course the nephilim are in these precons, it's a foir color deck. Now all we need are the other 99 cards included with the deck.

>inb4 basic lands

>>49928799
pretty solid you should put ashes to ashes in it
also bloodcheif ascension and underworld dreams are good to put in and spreading plague is really good too just my thoughts otherwise really solid

>>49930508
It's 4 colours. It's not gonna have basic lands anon. Only dual and triple. Maybe new 4-colour lands.

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It's monday already, where are the spoilers?

URZA PLANESWALKER WHEN

>>49930681
No anon it'll have basic lands and fetch lands to find them.

>Hidetsugu goes 90°
>prossh is salty about a previous game and throws tainted strike on Hidetsugu to create a draw
>I had intervention pact

>>49930905
Prossh players are never allowed to be salty.

>>49930945
He was upset that zegana kept holding counterspells for him. He ended up with lotsa kobolds and no scary dragon

>>49930727
What colours would he be?
I'm thinking all but Green.

>>49931017
That is why he is perfect for that Commander deck.

I wonder if we'll get four other planeswalkers then. Maybe some titans + new characters?

>>49931026
I'm hoping they'll through some three colour gods into the decks

>>49931055
I'm pretty sure we'll get shard gods in Amonkhet.

Bastet as Naya cat commander!

>>49931026
All I want is a land theme in one of the decks.

>>49931068
Not!Blue probably has that covered.

>>49930959
Well boo fuckity hoo for him. Prossh is stupid strong and he should have known that someone would be gunning for him

>have to optimize deck
>forced to cut pet cards because they no longer fit

it hurts

>>49930902
>fetch lands
>In Commander 2016
Only the "enters the battlefield tapped" ones and the panoramas

>>49931074
I hope so, I've been throwing around a Dune-Brood land deck in my head for months.

>>49931114
There *could* be original lands that are fetch lands, but not as optimal.
What would make a fetch land not as optimal but still playable, paying 2 life, having to reveal a card, something else?

>>49931144
There could be a land that produces colourless and you can sac to search for a basic land you don't already have in play.

>>49931026
I swear to god, if they did that, and it wasn't shit, they'd sell so many fucking decks.

>>49931168
Kids these days don't know much about Urza, though.

But then again, they did Teferi and Freyalise.

>>49931182
Exactly.
Let Standard have Gatewatch bullshit.
Let's use Commander products to celebrate old sets without having to dedicate an entire block to them.

I really want Spoilers before I go to bed tonight.

>>49931362
Sleeping is time travel, anon.

And this is why I will go to bed now.

As far as I know it will take three or four hours until spoilers.

>>49931224
http://dougbeyermtg.tumblr.com/post/130687579559/here-is-an-idea-for-supplemental-sets-cards-that

I WANT TO BELIEVE

>>49931371
Then I'll wait to 1am if it takes 4 hours.

>>49925427
>Lord of Tresserhorn voltron
nani

>Card of the day is a nephilim
>While the world is still waiting for four-colored legendaries, this handsome fella seems content to keep puking up Sand creatures. Charming.

4 color commanders confirmed.

>>49931462
>4 color commanders confirmed
Nigga where have you been

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>>49931462
Oh my god really?

Maybe with the release of c16 the Nephilim will officially be errata'd to legendury

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>>49931462
Anon...

>>49931462
>4 colour commanders

Are you retarded? If we were going to get them we would have in ravnica. We're never getting 4c commanders, the design process is a nightmare and wizards would never do it.

>>49931481
Wizards said at some point that they don't want to do power level errata anymore, which is what making them legendary technically would be.
However, they could simply reprint them as legendaries with a different name, e.g. Stephanie, the Dune-Brood.

>>49931481
>2016
>errata'd
Wizards does not do erratas anymore because it alienates the playerbase.

Melek is boring.

>>49931523
>>49931511
>>49931508
>>49931481
The nephilim might be the reason why we're getting four commanders instead of the usual three: With new legendary nephilim the playerbase might've felt cheated out of a commander slot when this will be the first time and probably the last time in a while we'll get four-colored commanders.

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We have a set symbol!

>>49931579
neat

>>49931579
We've had it for a little while.

>>49931523
>it alienates the playerbase
This would be one of the few times I think a lot of people would be OK with an errata to legendary. They're interesting design-wise, and they're currently the only 4-color creatures in the game.

Personally I just want them as legendary so I can build Witch-Maw Exalted. It's in all the colors for it; that shit would rule.

>>49931593
Really? Oh well. Anything to keep the hyle train going.

>>49931617
Easier for them to grab the nephelim and repackage as new cards because at least this way they will gain some money.

>>49931681
Yeah I haven't seen it in colour before though. It looks cool on mythics.

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Eldrazi momument in rakdos aggro, yay or nay? On the one hand, flying and indestructible and +1/+1 but sac a creature every turn. What are some good flavorful vampire or demon token generators?

so will the 4 color commanders actually be good? i feel like wizards wont actually put a good enough mana base in the deck for them to not suck

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So I finally interested my brother enough to get into commander after we played a few games with my Merfolk and Zombie tribal decks. He's settled on playing Rakdos, Lord of Riots and I am really looking forward to playing against that.
Any suggestions for stuff to jam in? I think he's mainly interested in doing demon tribal, with a sub-theme of burn to help get the Rakdos triggers off and chuck Rune-Scarred onto the field for BB, all that fun stuff. Any card suggestions to help get the gears turning in a deck like this?
Thanks in advance!

>>49931748
We can live in hope.
I mostly just care about the Commanders themselves, rather than the mana provided in the precons.

Is EDH a good way to get someone into magic? My roommate has played standard with me a few times with my decks and seemed to enjoy himself. I am thinking about getting him on of the new commander decks when they come out.

>>49931748
they will probably introduced 4 color jank lands. Then Vivids and Bouncelands.

Wishful thinking.
>Chromatic Lantern in each deck.

>>49931776
i agree but i would like to actually be able to play the deck when i buy it instead of having to gut it and build something almost completely new

>>49931779
As long as they have a good grasp on the rules, I don't see why not. For me, getting into an eternal format like commander was super excited because of that massive card pool.

Why can't wizards nust finish burnwillows cycle ?

>>49931779
They might get overwhelmed by all the different cards they will need to learn and may get disappointed that they don't draw their favorite card consistently.

Play 4-5 player games precon only.

>>49924826
who cares create is horrible templating and will be gone within 2 years

>>49931745
Bloodline Keeper.

Boris Devilboon if you are as silly as you seem.

>>49931779
Standard magic is easier because there are fewer cards to read and understand, you see the same cards being played over and over again. Also my friends I introduced to EDH hated the preconstructed decks because they were filled with complicated cards with lots of text.

>>49931820
>Wizards going back on their word
When was the last time they did that ?

>>49931813
They don't like lands coming into play untapped unless there are conditions to be met or they actively punish the player.

Letting an opponent gain life is less of a big deal than losing one yourself.

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>>49931749
>with a sub-theme of burn to help get the Rakdos triggers off

pic related

anyway there are two ways to build rakdos.

method number 1

pingers.jpg
>build around rakdos using pingers and other stupid shit
>possibly ping everyone to get rakdos out
>possibly swing with rakdos and empty your hand
>possibly your fatties don't get wiped in 1-3 turns
>possibly something good happens and you win
>if any part of those things goes wrong, you'll fall behind, gas out or just otherwise get fucked

method number 2

reanimator
>don't build around rakdos, instead go the reanimator route
>enjoy sick card advantage, looter effects, reanimation, haste and other fun stuff that rakdos provides
>put fatties in the grave and reanimate them, duh
>cast rakdos as an alternative way to cheat fatties into play if you can
>CAULDRON DANCE

i suggest method number 2 but your friend can do whatever he wants

>>49931828
>complicated cards with lots of text.
oh wow

>>49931844
Around one week ago when they reverted Standard rotation
But they certainly won't revert a good templating change

>>49931855
They said from the start that it was a test, they were just trying the waters, and could go back at any moment but some people can't listen.

>>49931828
>>49931814
>>49931790
I agree. As long as you have a nice and welcoming playgroup and your entrée is not intimidated by complexity, it's a great idea. I myself learned to play with Sealed and Draft, but only really found my home when our playgroup started to play EDH.

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>>49931852
They just wanted to drink beer and play a little magic and then they get cards like this and English isn't even our native language.

>>49929452
Could you enlighten us?

>>49931896
I've played magic for 5 years and it took me 3 reads to know what the fuck was going on.

>>49931749
I had a Rakdos Eldrazi deck for a bit.
Your first priority is mana fixing because RRBB is a pain in the ass. Signet, filter, whatever you got going on. Reanimation is also a good idea as this guy gets targeted a lot. Giving him haste and hexproof/shroud is a must. A lot of rakdos cards go well with hellbent triggers, so Maelfegor might be for you. Then you could even use something like Infernal Tutor. Enjoy!

>>49931945
What's so complicated?
>Look at the top 5
>If you like them, put them back in any order
>If you don't like them, pay 1 life and do it again

>>49931779
Yes and no. If they're not an idiot, they can pick up on stuff pretty quick, but there are a lot of really strange interactions between cards in EDH so your roommate might get overwhelmed

>>49931952
What is complicated is that it's poorly written

>>49931952
I didn't notice the comma in between "As many times as you choose" and "you may pay 1 life". I had know idea why I was paying life for this.

>>49931961
>scry 5

>Pay 1 life: Shuffle your library, scry 5

>>49931113
I know that feel. It sucks.

>>49931978
You're on the good path but it's an instant

You wrote an enchantment effect
"When ~ enters the battlefield, scry 5.

Pay 1 life : Shuffle your library then scry 5."

>>49931951
Is hellbent that viable of a mechanic in a singleton format? It always scared me. I can see emptying your hand being okay in a format where you have 4 chances to draw what you need but commander seems a bit scary for it. Is it just for abusing wheel effects or what?

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Make your predictions while you can
>The commanders will be transform cards with two colors on each side

>>49932051
see lightning storm

>>49932086
I really doubt that. They've said before they avoid DFCs in things like Commander because of what a pain in the ass it is to have a whole separate sheet for just a few DFCs.

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>>49931823
As much of a pimp as Boris is, that cost is pretty steep. I think i just stick with Call the Bloodlines and Bloodline Keeper. Thank tou though.

>>49931978
Scry 5 would be functionally different.

>>49932124
It's close enough, but yeah I know Wizards is kinda annoying about this kinda of stuff.

>>49932139
>Wizards is kinda annoying
FTFY

>>49932139
>close enough
The card existed years before Scry. The reason they didn't change it to Scry 5 is because that would honestly make the card needlessly more complicated (and be a functional change). It's fine as it is- look at the top 5. Don't like them? Pay 1 life and ship them to the bottom. Repeat until you like your top 5, set them aside to shuffle your library, then put the 5 you liked on top in any order.

>>49932086
There will be a variety of different types of commanders, including but not limited to
>single color with FRF-hyrbrid abilities
>straight up four colors
>double hybrid
>single color with three activated abilities of different colors
>probably an artifact in there somewhere

With deck themes including
>no blue lands matter
>no black stupid fucking energy commander (previewed by MaRo)
>no white elemental tribal (minor)
>no red pillowfort

>>49932169
>>no black stupid fucking energy commander (previewed by MaRo)
I'd like this even if it was jank

>>49932154
Wizards will do all kinds of retarded stuff to make sure that old cards work the way they did when they came out, see the substance keyword issue, but outright refuses this sort of change I proposed earlier because it's close enough but the same.
I understand all that I said in my earlier post, but I still find it silly.

>>49932209
It's not scry 5 though because scry would mean you can put some on the bottom of the library. You can only rearange them from the top on the card

>>49932209
>*but not the same
fugg

>>49932225
That's why I said close enough.

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>>49932169
>Legendary Artifact Creature requiring no colors to cast and having 4 differently colored activated abilities

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>>49932241
You're going to be disappointed.

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>>49932086
something like hybrid mana
so it either costs 4 colors (giving it 4c identity)
or alternatively 4 of a single color and lets you know it's a very aligned with that color. Also bonuses for hardcasting it.

the not green one will have a strong artifact theme

the not red will be enchantment

the not blue will be creatures, etc.

I'm banking on the whole 'color they are missing' indicates them either exceeding on what color can't do or hate on what it can do.

Either way I hope they don't expect us to hard cast them.

>>49932241
>>49932278
Is this the shitty predictions general ?

>>49932169
>>49932241
>>49932251
>>49932278

>inb4 it's just Nephilim with legendary upgrade

>>49932295
It's not, design refuses to do functional errata.

>>49932295
This, I think that they'll just grab the nephelim, try to update it to commander standards, fail and call it a day.

>>49932241
>>49932251
>>49932289
>>49932295
Sorry, I should clarify what I posted is a wishlist not a prediction. Realistically, um expecting cards like khans, where it only takes one to cast, and what remains of its color identity is some dumb shit in its text box. It'll probably be an overpowered mess having an apparent gimmick.

>>49932314
>fail and call it a day.
R&D in a nutshell

>>49932209
Do you really not see why they'd want to use some slightly-awkward wording to ensure a card works the way it was intended to, instead of just hamfisting it to "close enough" using new mechanics?

It's NOT Scry 5. Scry 5 isn't "close enough but the same", it'd be different.

>>49931849
I used to build him with eldrazi and blightsteel/darksteel/other high cmc fatties. Just run enchantments that deal damage to players on your upkeep and you're golden

>>49932295
Honestly those would be some shit commanders

>>49932327
My dream then is like a pair of guildmages, preferably Orzhov and Izzet.

>>49932328
>MaRo in a nutshell
ftfy

>>49932343
>enchantments that deal damage to players on your upkeep
Care to name a few? I'm struggling to find any.

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I've got things to do tomorrow and it's 12 but I'm not going to bed until I see these decklists.

>>49932347
Kermit did nothing wrong desu

>>49932355
Decklists won't be out today, go to bed retard.

>>49932369
No. Fuck you mum.

>>49932355
>I've got things to do tomorrow and it's 12 but I'm not going to bed until I see these decklists.
I hope you can do without sleep during the next 3 weeks

>>49932382
I have a Lorthos the Tidemaker deck to finish off anyway.

>>49932396
The one with all the frost effects we were talking about a few days ago ?

>>49932426
Nope. Just none stop sea monsters and some Eldrazi.

>>49927302
>Men haven't done the bare midriff thing since college football players in the 1980's
and how sad it is that they haven't

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>>49932435
Just look at this. I never used that card because of this artwork.

>>49932458
>I never used that card because of this artwork.
What's the problem with the artwork ?

>>49932479
It's very impractical armor.

>>49932479
These bikini armors already look bad on women. On a man it's just ridiculous.

>>49932504
what if he does his training in his armor and needs the flexibility to do crunches?

>>49932503
>>49932504
>muh realism
Oh, right

Also, he is responsible of a catapult, he is not always fighting enemies directly

>>49932523
Then why wear armor at all?

>>49932426
If you're talking about lorthos tap-down spirit tribal, I'm >>49932241, and it's my deck. It pretty much scoops to strong enchantments / static abilities, but elsewise it's pretty fun.

>>49932534
Just in case

>>49932534
to look sexy

http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/card-preview/designing-commander-2016-edition-2016-10-24?

We in there

>>49932576
>Non-red one is Phyrexian
I called it in my head, neat.

>>49932341
How can you read my five earlier posts and reach such a conclusion ? I never wanted them to change the original card's text.
Also I said close enough but Not the same.
You're not reading what I writing, so I done replying to you. Have a good day anon.
INB4 you won't see the post where I replied to my self to fix the "not" that was missing

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>>49932576
>http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/card-preview/designing-commander-2016-edition-2016-10-24?

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>>49932607
>it's shit
Not surprising.

I'm more excited about this card.

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>>49932607
HOWDY PARTNER

>>49932607
>Partner

>>49932635
where did this thing come from? i didn't see it in the article

>>49932607
it's beautiful...
BBantwalkers here i come
Inexorable tide, i've missed you so

>>49932635
What the fuck

New thread that I don't know how to link to because I'm shit at 4chan.

>>49932626

>>49932576
>When the full decklists become available, you may notice that we did some unusual things with the mana bases. We normally don't put rare dual lands in Commander preconstructed decks. We prefer to put those types of cards into products intended for a wider audience, such as our main booster releases or Masters products. We knew that four-color decks presented a special challenge for getting access to all of your colors of mana, so we spent some time identifying rare dual lands that we didn't think we'd want to put into booster packs in the near future. We put a few of those cards into the Commander 2016 decks to help the decks run smoothly.

Any ideas?

These are all fucking terrible they look like bulk rares

>>49932659
The other articles

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>Legendary Knight
>Not black
Just fuck me up senpai

>>49932686
looks black to me

>>49932686
just pair him with a black partner

>>49932709
I already have an Abzan deck and I don't want to run two

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>Partner

Thanks for shitting the bed, Wizards.

>>49932680
They will finish burnwillows cycle.

>>49932681
just be thankful they didn't make any actually good commanders like derevi or oloro

> Ludevic is getting printed in Commander (2016 Edition) as a blue-red legendary creature.
> Ludevic is getting printed in Commander (2016 Edition) as a blue-red legendary creature.
> Ludevic is getting printed in Commander (2016 Edition) as a blue-red legendary creature.
HYPE ACHIEVED

>>49932744
God bless them for subverting the rules council but all of the partner cards look low tier.

>>49932755
That would destroy Legacy.

>>49932755
They'll never finish the cycle. They will never print the other cards, because a U/B or a U/W land that comes in untapped and can make either color of mana at the 'cost' of gaining an opponent 1 life would be dumb as shit.

Partner is a neat enough way to circumvent the challenge of designing a good 4-colour legend. Doesn't mean I'm not a little dissapointed. Hopefully there's a good range of cards with partner to experiment with.

So...

If you're a complete shitter and actually use two partner cards, do you still have 99 cards + the 2 commanders, or 98 + 2?

>>49932830
98 + 2. See http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/feature/commander-2016-mechanics-2016-10-24

>>49932816
In the article, they said there will be 3 cards with partner in each deck : 1 ally-colored and 2 enemy-colored
15 seems like a good range

>>49932816
Don't be disapointed, they're just extras. Read here:
>To recap, there are four decks for Commander (2016 Edition). Each deck will focus on four colors. Each deck will contain fifteen new cards (although note that some new cards may appear in more than one of the decks). Among these fifteen new cards, each deck will have:

A four-color legendary creature (new characters but from known worlds) printed at mythic rare
An allied two-color legendary creature with partner (characters from Magic's past that haven't yet been printed as cards) printed at mythic rare
Two enemy two-color legendary creatures with partner (characters from Magic's past that haven't yet been printed as cards that are creatively linked to one another), one printed at mythic rare and the other at rare
Various other cards tied to the mechanical theme of the deck
Each deck will have three legendary creatures with partner, allowing you three options of partnering (although one version will only give you access to two colors). If you buy all five decks, you will have fifteen legendary creatures with partner, giving you 105 different pairing options.

>>49932816
It's a neat concept, but it feels like something that should've been shot down on day 1 of development. I hate that it's not backwards compatible so there's only a tiny handful of combinations you can use, none of the ones we've seen so far really seem to actually mesh together.

>>49932807
They have already made UW and UB though, they are called Nimbus Maze and River of Tears. There also was Horizon Canopy and that Rakdos filterland.

>>49932850
>>49932851
Ah okay, I only read the one article. Neato. We'll have to see if there's any sweet combinations of partners that'll give us a 3-colour deck instead of 4. At least there's a good amount of them to experiment with.

>>49932860
Because they're in different color combinations.

>>49932876
That is not what we're talking about.

>>49932816
It's a shitty cop out.

Fuck this, fuck planeswalker commanders, fuck wizards.

>>49932876
That was a pseudo-cycle of 5 different 'slices' of duals they could use. Of them, we've only ever seen Graven Cairns expanded into a proper cycle (and beyond that, megacycle for all 10 2-color combinations)

There are no Horizon Canopy equivalents in other colors. Nor are there Nimbus Mazes or Rivers of Tears or Groves of the Burnwillow in other colors. And I doubt there ever will be.

>>49932891
Don't be a faggot. Christ, you haven't even read the whole article and you're already complaining. Check THIS:
>>49932851
Five four color commanders
Fifteen Partner commanders
And of course LUDEVIC FUCKING CONFIRMED

>>49932889
But of course we are. They are of the same cycle with Grove. Just because Grove was a reverse-painland, it doesn't make the other lands in Future Sight not the same cycle.

>>49932924
They are not an actual cycle
They are preview of cycles, one of which was actually finished

>>49932924
Technically it does. You can't just pick 5 rare lands that don't share any mechanics and call them a cycle because they're all rare.

>>49932924
By cycle we're referring to Grove of the Burnwillows and the as-of-yet not printed remaining four allied "reverse-painlands."

>>49932914
I've read the article, I've seen the 4 color commanders. I'm saying the partner mechanic is a complete horse shit joke.

>>49932962
>

>>49932936
Well, that's disappointing. I would like to see the Nimbus Maze cycle finished, then. Grove is too broken really to be finished

>>49933057
http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Search/Default.aspx?set=["Torment"]&type=+[Land]

They basically did.

>>49933136
Well, not really, since they only have 4 of them with requirement of swamp. I want all colours

>>49933136
The Polluted cycle is not the same.

>>49933204
>>49933204
Sorry, Tainted.

With the dunebrood commander being a mindless aggro strategy would it be safe to assume it will be an Eldrazi?

Bruse Tarl! Fucking finally.

please let WUBR be Urza please let WUBR be Urza

>>49933295
The four colour legends are all gonna be new characters, but from already-established worlds. The one they've spoiled is a herald created by the Praetors (except Urabrask because he's a dummy)

>>49933295
But Urza being black wouldn't make any sense, but maybe there will be a URW Urza with partner and a URB Mishra with partner as well.

>>49933295
You fucking wish.

>>49933332
Not how it works nigger.

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>>49933440

So am I right in thinking that there are seven possible combinations of partners for each of the four color combinations?

Two allied partners (1), an allied partner and either two enemy partners (2), and either two enemy pair partners partnering with either of the other enemy pair partners (4).

>>49933462
There are no wedge or shard partners, PARTNER.

>>49933462
I love the look on the Ox's face in this image. It's like "Really? Another shitty RW general with a bad combat related ability? Are you fucking serious?"

>>49933497
They always look like that.

I honestly don't know what else you would want from Bruse Tarl other than fucking Ox tribal or something. At least with Partner you can do other stuff and the Ally type will help too.

>>49933491
Oh, my bad

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>>49933295
But we already have Urza.

>>49932962
Oh, you have? You've seen all five four color commanders? Then please, spoil them for us here.

>>49933579
but... artifacts

>>49933521
Ox Tribal would be about as good as his current ability. Generally, if a commander's ability is largely irrelevant (i.e. doesn't generate an advantage of some sort, isn't useful as a build-around, etc.) the color identity is all you have to fall back on, and Bruse Tarl happens to be in the worst one. Partner is a cop-out to give him a better color identity. Who you pair him with won't matter, you'll probably never cast him since he's so bad on his own. You're just going to use him for shit like Enlightened Tutor and Blasphemous Act.

Ally typing won't help since there's already a 5-color ally commander.

>>49933616
Well, if you flash him in you could use his ETB as a combat trick. Unexpected double strike could be a game ender.

>>49933641
>combat tricks are game-enders in a multiplayer format

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>>49933611
But we have mishra for that! Whenever you cast an artifact spell shuffle your library!

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Have we talked about bizarro jori en yet?

>>49933738
It's shit.

I think the recurring theme about all the Partner commanders is that their only redeeming quality will be that they have Partner.

>>49933755
Ludevic will apparently be a legendary UR creature this set too, so I think the two cards may have a hidden synergy that makes the partner ability work well.

>>49933616
He's really not that bad. I know people treat all combat abilities as though the creature is straight vanilla, but he does stuff and who knows what other partners he'll get.

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>>49933777
>2 UR commanders in C16
>Neither are artificers
>Saheeli is the UR character for Kaladesh block
>Probably won't be a legendary UR Artificer in Aether Revolt
>Amonkhet lore is probably going to be copy-pasted from Egyptian Mythology with Bolas shoehorned in
>No UR Artificer there since there were no robots in Egyptian mythology
>We won't get a UR artificer commander until fall 2017 at the earliest

>>49933858
That's actually pretty cool.

Inb4 UGx whiners

>>49933858
Luckily this means that at least one Sultai mythic combo is bad, so we've passed one hurdle.

>>49933899
Fuck you.

>>49933883
On the short list of upcoming revisits are Ravnica and Dominaria so we've got a pretty good chance after Amonkhet.