/srg/ Shadowrun General - Who's Got First Watch?

>>49910643
>I know that the players won't want to just sit around waiting for something to happen, they'll go haring off after whatever bit of flavour detail I say just for something to do
Let them. And then consequences happen. If your players want to be retarded, that's their problem, not yours. As for making it interesting, you could have the principal be a danger to themselves via poor judgment. Especially applicable if they're a celebrity. Demands for drugs, hookers, that one donut at that great cafe across town, whatever. Gives them something active to do.

>>49910643
Investigation of threats pre-'run', aka, you look into who has it in for the primary. Examination of where the run will take place, to try to harden it. Only take >>49910695 's advice if it fits your game's tone.

>>49910643
Shadowrun Dragonfall has a player made run in the workshop called Mercucial where the players end up guarding Maria Mercucial after she switches managers.

The run makes it work because you can do things like try to take out the fucker who is trying to extract against you in the first place.

>>49910713
>How can I make a security job interesting, when they don't have a way to reasonably predict where a threat would be coming from?

From that bit I'm guessing investigation of threats won't go so well. Hardening the safehouse is a good point, though, although I doubt they'll be lucky enough to have the celebrity stay home for a few weeks straight.

>>49910744
Then they need to figure out why they're being hired for protection. Why are there there? Can they offensively run to catch those who are try to take the Primary?

If the Primary wants to leave or move around, they'll need to figure out how to do this without getting them captured or killed (they should get an expense account for this), along with securing the places the Primary will visit.

Sounds like plenty of material to me, Chummer.

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>>49910713
>>49910744
>>49910793
I don't want to turn it into a counter-run wetwork deal, where the PCs get the job of protecting someone and immediately turn it into "let's go find and kill some people." I want to try and get them in a situation where they have to think defensively; again, this is about a change of pace from having the PCs always on the offensive. After all, people hire the PCs all the time for jobs, and they aren't immediately hunted down by security forces before they get anywhere close to the actual run. The shadows are big and dark, and though you may know that Johnny C doesn't like Mika M there's no way of knowing what method Johnny would use to hire someone to get at Mika.

>>49910809
>I want to try and get them in a situation where they have to think defensively;
Lone star raids the safehouse.

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>>49910864
I figured something like them looking into the enemies Mika have would turn up that Johnny doesn't like her, that he likes doing big splashy stunts, and he has some ties to the fringes of the Vory. Then they know that Johnny would likely hire Russians, and ask them to whack Mika in a splashy fashion, but not specifically who would be doing the job (unless the Russians fuck up in their own legwork trying to find holes in Mika's security).

I just don't know what else to do to keep them engaged with the work of actually being around to protect Mika, instead of just asking one of the sammies to guard her while the rest of them go out and turn over every rock to find the would-be assassins before they get anywhere near her.

>>49910886
I can't keep up a string of fights for a two-week job, at least not without them turning into samey keepaway.

>>49910991
How about putting on enough pressure that they have to figure out how to find a new safehouse and switch there safely?

>>49910991
More importantly why the hell does the employer not just hire normal guards? There are like 50 companies based around simple security detail.

>>49910991
Matrix attacks could also work. I bet a bunch of appliances could be dangerous if a hacker got free reign of them. So far, we have... occasional attacks, legitimate police raids, the celebrity being a shit, having to move safehouses, and Matrix attacks.

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>>49911051
I know if I were choosing someone to watch my wife/kids/dog/favorite celebrity/mistress/xbox for two weeks, I'd definitely hire a group of anonymous murder machines who don't officially exist and are probably all drug addicts.

It's just the only way to be sure they're safe that doesn't involve sks innawoods

>>49911051
>>49911111
Sometimes you don't want to do the paperwork on hiring legit guards (especially if the celebrity has a contract with their studio saying they can only hire guards from X sister corporation, who charges out the nose for Steve the Rent-A-Cop and his Pulsar).

>>49911051
>>49911111
Maybe she's involved in more illegal activity than they can bribe the security corps into ignoring, but which doesn't matter to shadowrunners?

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>>49910643
>cybernetic advances
>widespread terrorism
>tons of cyber-attacks
>the rise of drones
>high tensions in the USA and eastern Europe
>privatization of militaries
>Zika
>Brexit

Shit, just today AT&T purchased Time Warner for 85 billion dollars. We're inching closer and closer, ya'll.

What's your runner-name gonna be? Got any friends who'll work with you when SHTF? What'll be your going rate?

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>>49909526
It's a standard combat spell, there's no reason it shouldn't be visible.

I'm that guy who asked last thread for advice on running my first game. I'm back to check if anybody sees any glaring issues with my idea for the first run.

The stealthy guy in the group has a contact who's a Fixer. ATM I'm planning to start the session with him contacting the group with a job, telling them the Johnson wants something stolen, and to meet him at a diner in downtown Seattle. Johnson tells them that there's a man working on what he believes to be the next step in laser weaponry, and that he wants it, then gives them the address for the guy's apartment, and a basic schedule. He also says they'll get a bonus if its delivered without being fired.

The apartment has windows, so they could enter from the rooftop if they want, but I'm assuming they'll go in from the front door; there's 2 Knight Errant guards outside for most of the day, except for shift changes every 6 hours, and cameras covering most of the floor.
Inside the guy's apartment is a lab, and attached to it as a small vault that he keeps the gun in while he's not working on it, with the door being locked by a keypad.
In addition to the guards outside, an assassin will be in the apartment when they go in, posing as the guy's new girlfriend(he has no idea she's anything more than a cute gal he met while getting his morning soykaf), as a backup measure in case someone gets past the guards outside.

The following is shit the players (probably) won't learn:
The Johnson works for a subsidiary of MCT, the guy works for a subsidiary of Ares. MCT wants the gun so they can start competing with Ares on the Laser Weaponry market. Ares has KE and the assassin there because they want to be sure nobody steals it.
Even if they get the gun and say 'fuck the Johnson', it won't fire, because the single time the guy managed to get it working was a fluke caused by him just stealing parts from a laser rifle. He's more concerned with if they try to pull the trigger than if fires.

>>49911226
>thinking our megacorps will actually give people enough freedom to be shadowrunners
U L T I M A T E K E K

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>>49911111

>>49911226
I would run for the Muppets, no questions asked.

>>49911226
Isn't that against federal regulations because of trust laws?

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>>49911245
Why is he doing this shit in his apartment? If he was a coder doing freelance stuff or working on toaster designs, sure, but designing laser weapons is not what you do in the spare bedroom when you work for a corporation.

>>49911314
Hahahahahahahaaahahahahahahahahha

Yes, probably, and?

>>49911363
>Trump has stated he will, if elected president, stop the merger.

>>49911314
I dunno, but it happened.

Weird, because AT&T was disbanded as a monopoly way the fuck long time ago and now they're rebuilding it. Wew.

>>49911226
I'm just going to be a whore thank you very much.

>>49911397
>Implying that they still didn't act in concert
Chummer, I thought we were smarter than this.

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>>49911314
It's not like those stopped Comcast-NBCU from joining. A fraction of that deal is enough to convince every regulator in Washington to roll over.

>>49911387
Trump also has said that he'll put Clinton in jail, fix immigration and the economy, and turn around inner cities. He follows the standard politician model of saying literally anything to get elected, whether or not he could actually do anything about it, if he could get the political will to do it or if it's even possible to do.

>>49911410
enjoy the bunraku

>>49911237
source?

>>49911502
Implying i'll live long enough for datajacks to be viable.

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>>49911534
Izetta, the Last Witch.

>>49911338
Because he's a very low-level employee who managed to impress his boss with his design, and instead of bringing him in-house to finish working on the gun, they're keeping him defended until he's got a working prototype so it can be shown off to other higher-ups, so his boss can earn some credit.
But also because I mapped out his apartment before I realized 'shit, this guy should have some defenses so they can't just walk in and grab it', and finding office maps is hard. Plus, it feels a little too on-the-nose to have them walk into an Ares-owned building in order to steal a prototype laser weapon; the idea is to keep which corps are involved in the run subtle, so they can worry about which corps they've pissed off later.

>>49911554
If this wasn't a blue board, I'd link you some very informative /d/ images about being covered in latex and turned into a gape-mouthed fucktoy.

>he allows his campaign to go full black trenchcoat or full pink mohawk
>he doesn't allow a grey mix of both with stronger peaks of either here and there

*yawn*

>>49911560
>>49911338
Not either of you, but don't forget that not many people would actually leave this sort of thing in their apartment, so hiding it in plain sight is a semi-viable strategy.

>>49911601

Damn it. Now i'm curious.

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>>49911652

>>49911618
What are you talking about?

>>49911728
Insecure autist soapboxing, probably.

>>49910262
Cyberpunk 2020 didn't even use Razorgender, you tosser. All combat stuff was lumped in to the slang term of Solo.

>>49911618
who are you quoting

>>49911775
>expecting CP2020fags to be smart enough to know that
>replying to CP2020fags

>>49911803
>Implying I'm not a 2020fag
It's too late

>>49911851
>Implying I'm not also one
It was always too late.

Is using nightlies of chummer5a worth the effort? I'm still on a full release but there's a bunch of weirdness with it like infrequent crashes when doing anything involving the Depth stat, or crashing any time the implant medic augmentation is added to a character.

Also, is the best way to report these things to just leave repro steps in the crash handler and forget about it?

>>49912049
Meh. And nah, poke Yekka about it in the thread.

what can you tell me about machine spirits in the shadowrun universe?

>>49912049
Yes, they are. Always use the nightlies, make a post here to Yekka, and if he doesn't see it within ~6-12 hours, make an Issue on the github.

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>>49912080
They're probably a lot easier to please than the ones you might be used to

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>>49912049
Okay, so minor confession; I don't actually look at the crash dumps. The crash handler's not my code, the emails don't CC into my mailbox for some reason I haven't bothered to look into, and I generally take the view that if it was a major issue, it'd wind up in the git issue log or you guys would contact me directly.

Generally speaking, there is no practical difference between nightlies and releases from a stability perspective, save that releases USUALLY are USUALLY a stable point. I changed my mind about how to handle infected like six times in three weeks, which meant that if you were using an infected during that period, you'd probably have some stability issues with it.

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>>49912049
I use the nightlies, but generally only update every couple weeks. If I see something I point it out, but I don't need the bleeding edge.

Haven't looked at 5e in a while. Is the TM book out yet?

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>>49912207
Try looking at 5e and the books released. Then you have your answer.

>>49911226
Talk to me when I can actually get decent cyberarms, legs, and subdermal armor, and I'll streetsam for you to pay it off.

>>49912191
Was that bed once a bathtub?

>>49912207
No

>>49912229
Saying no is a lot fucking faster than what you said, chummer. Don't be shitty about a yes or no question

>>49912397
Thanks. And thanks for not being a cunt.

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>>49912370
>not rolling out a sleeping pad in the tub because it's the only 6 linear feet of space in your squat

It's like you don't even Low Lifestyle

>>49912397
Give a newfag the answer to every dumbass question they have, and they keep coming back to shit up the thread. Teach a newfag to spend 10 seconds of their own time to find a very basic answer to a yes/no question, and they may one day stop being a faggot. You set him back on that path, but maybe one day he'll learn how to be a big boy

>>49912457
That's one nice fucking bathroom for a low lifestyle, omae.

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>>49912609
He lives exclusively in the bathroom. It was supposed to be a six-figure development spire for yuppies, before the devil rat infestation. Now each apartment is subdivided between multiple families, with sheets of nano-printed sheetrock thrown up haphazardly to block off each tiny territory. Pay the right techkid, though, and you can still get Matrix access on whatever appliances the developers didn't find economical to remove on their way out.

As a player which books in the pastebin should I be looking at. Looking for options and stuff not adventure paths or lore (I mean lore is fine but I'm working on a character).

>>49912734
Should have mentioned I'm referring to 5e.

>>49912734
>Core
>Run Faster
>Run and Gun

If you're awakened, Shadow Spells and Street Grimoire.
If you're a Sam, Chrome Flesh.
If you're an infiltrator, Hard Targets.
If you're a medic, Stolen Souls/Bullets+Bandages
Decker = Data Trails.
I don't think I need to tell you what book to check out for Riggers.

>>49912770
Something something spoonfeeding

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>>49912765
Stick with Core for the moment, at least for a test run building a character (using Chummer) to get a handle on the subsystems. Afterwards, >>49912770

>>49912781
Deep breaths, fag. Rub both your neurons together and realise that there is at least a small difference between someone wanting advice on where to start, and someone being too lazy to look up whether or not a specific book has been released.

>>49912833
Congratulations, you can't tell when someone's making fun of people

>tfw you'll never be able to play as a japanese ghoul decker chick with a greasy flea market wig that can hack shit remotely to avoid getting the team infected

it makes so much sense in this universe but it's a pile of red flags to many people
not like i get many chances to play shadowrun anyways

>>49912888
YOU CAN DO IT.

I BELIEVE IN YOU.

>>49912770

And if you're a Face, look at all of them because the useful face stuff is scattered all over the place. For example, there's a quality in Run & Gun that you might want as a Face (Trustworthy), whereas Chrome Flesh has more ware which might come in handy but the main thing you'll probably want from there is Genetic Optimisation to boost your maximum possible Charisma.

>>49912397
Reading the books would have been faster, nigger.

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Bringing it over from the previous thread.
Where does your Part/PC live?
How do they live?

>>49913561
My player's party lives in a neighborhood that they directly impact.

Their homes are all high lifestyle with some very nice things, as they pay to live that way while they're surrounded by people living in low/squatter tier housing. They are the reason the gang exists, and the gang protects them on their downtime.

>>49911477

Do you think P&G are the Blood Mages in our Cyberpunk dystopia?

>>49913917

Also, just because they aren't Mexican doesn't mean they wouldn't be the Blood Mages.

>>49911477
>Owning a bunch of specialized food brands makes you a megacorp
Ah jeeze

>>49913917
No, they gave that up when they stopped selling pringles.

>>49913937
You got to take into account how much money these make. You better believe they have lobbyist and what not to represent their interests.

Farmers want more money for the milk they produce? Nope.
Stuff like that.

>>49914076
Sure, but are they really comparable to banks, oil tycoons, military contractors, whatever?

>>49914094
Fuck yes they are. They're not as glamorous, but they're a huge business, they rake in the cash, and they have a bigger impact on your daily life than some random PMC, for example.

>>49914118
Eh if you go down the numbers the biggest companies are almost exclusively oil, though Wal-Marts also way up there.

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So I need to know something guys

How much would it cost to repair a woman's hymen and would it cost Essence?

>>49914225
Minor Biosculpting, no.

>>49914006

That explains the popping.

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>>49914225

>repairing a hymen in 2078
>not just biting the bullet and getting a robo hymen

It can even be wirelessly "broken" and repaired!

>>49914225
Minor biosculpting costs between 50-500¥ and doesn't consume Essence.

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>I just finished my first campaign today lasting 1 year on this day

At some point I say I didn't want to run and told me to keep going or I would had regret it I wanted to say that whoever say that was right and I wanted to say thanks.

>>49914514
god I'm tired
-something told me to keep going/that he was right.

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>>49914514
>>49914524

>>49914514
>>49914524
itt: we learn that playing too much shadowrun can cause severe strokes

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>making hong kong UGC
>one of the characters i wanted to make is supposed to show up as a drone in-game
>strict model = race makes it a "Freedrone"
>since it has no owner it's not considered a drone
>since it's a drone it's not considered an actor
>i can't give it Koschei's deathless ability for whatever the fuck reason
>i can't give it a permanent doc wagon kit

why is this editor such a piece of shit
no wonder there's barely any UGC and the ones we have are garbage

What makes Seattle such a beloved spot? Does it provide the benefit of a generic backdrop that can fit anything, or is it just nostalgia?

>>49914971

Kind of a big question.

So first of all, I think the original writers had a real kinship with Seattle (from there I think?).

Secondly, Seattle is a decently well known city that isn't the North American "standard" big city location like New York or Los Angeles (which are both basically kaput in Shadowrun)

Third, Seattle has a rich history as the birthplace of grunge and a bunch of punk bands and that forms the spine of a lot of 90s counter culture. That's the basis of all this extreme "Fight the corps, fight the man, row row fight tha powah" thematic junk that happens as a part of Shadowrun.

And lastly, because a lot of writers were putting a lot of work into the finer details of Seattle that meant there was more for GMs to work with, and that meant more people were playing games set in and around Seattle, which meant the writers could add more stuff being reasonably certain people would be interested in it, and the whole thing snowballed so that's why Seattle has so much content and is now basically the typical setting for Shadowruns.

How do you make miniguns stand out from other MGs?

>>49915073
you make them shoot smaller miniguns

>>49915073
Get the German version of Run & Gun that gives them an additional rule allowing the miniguns to fire a lot more bullets and making them more deadly.

I love shadowrun but looking back at 1e/2e illustrations kinda wants to make me kill myself

Jesus, how did we even get this far

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>>49915156
>Implying 2e art isn't vastly superior to 4 and 5e art
The fuck are you on about

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>>49915156
>1e/2e illustrations kinda wants to make me kill myself
>mfw

i kinda like it

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>>49915178
>>49915164

what's the fashion police equivalent for a SWAT team? I need one asap

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>>49915186
>That bulge

>>49915127
Do you know what it's called? I'm not seeing it and I'd hate to download all of these in Deutsche.

>>49915213
German version is called Kreuzfeuer

http://shadowhelix.pegasus.de/Quelle,_de:_Kreuzfeuer

>>49915245
Thanks!

>>49911245
Where's this guy live that two KE officers won't stand out? KE presence barring entry to a residence screams crime scene to me.

>>49915265
So 15 instead of 10,and 30 instead of 20. I could've done it myself, but it feels good to be validated.

>>49915178
>>49915156
What makes me feel bad about previous versions is the way most of the backgrounds and page layouts in 4e looked compared to now. Maaaajor facelift going forward.

>>49915186

The fashion police all had a strike once leather dusters and galaxy parachute pants happened. They were all fired and now privatized fashion police are owned by Horizon and NeoNET.

>>49915503
>Horizon and NeoNET
Shit tier corps

>>49911775
>Razorgender
Fuck.

Now I need to make a character who identifies as razorgendered. Someone with a sexless cybertorso complete with a flat, featureless groin plate, packing spurs on both cyberarms and cyberlegs.

They'd be normally completely asexual, but with a borderline-erotic love of combat. Probably some combination of Combat Junkie, Revels in Murder, and Superhuman Psychosis.

Should be a fun joke character, at least. I'll ask my GM if I can put that character on our crew's B Team - the freelance affiliates who we call in to replace party members who are too injured to participate, or if main party members have skillsets incompatible with a specific run.

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Does the High Pain Tolerance (I) granted by Pie Iesu Domine, Dona Eis Requiem (RF 158) count against the limit of 25 Karma of positive qualities at chargen? Chummer seems to sy yes, but I see no element to support that claim.

>>49915999
>pic related

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What's your Runner's street name and whats their actual name?

>>49916271
Real name is Thomas Dynes
Street name is T-Rex. He got it from his days working as corp-sec, because of the stomping noise his cyberlegs would make when he was running.

>>49916227
It shouldn't, no.

>>49916271

Posted this last thread, but I'll post it again:

His Runner name is Slinky. He was designed as a super slippery infiltration expert, with lots of agility and dexterity. In his first big mission with the group, he got tazed hardcore, and, long story short, ended up going down a few flights of stairs, one step at a time, just like a slinky.

His real name was Drake Cullen

(And I feel obligated to say: Cullen as in the Gaelic origin, not sparkly vampires)

>>49915164
Hey it's Max, that's great. Top quality graffiti

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>>49916271

Real name is Henry Milne, doesn't really use it 'cause Ares has records of such a security specialist working for one of the tiny corps they took over some time ago.

Runs as "Setup" due to the fact that he's pretty autistic about preparation, timing and setting up drone turrets whenever possible. Started as "Securack", but the name was soon changed due to being too long to shout under fire and a mistimed joke about progress bars.

Are AIs illegal?

Any advice for playing a mage in 5e? I've played some back in 3e and a couple of games in 5e so I've got much of the basic shit down, I've just not played a mage.

Are combat spells any good in general? I mean you can take a combat spell places you cant take a gun but if I'm in some kind of serious combat should I be using them or guns?

Anything that's a must have or a really good idea to have? Sustaining foci seem fantastic. Anything specific I should take: equipment spell or other options?

How do mages deal with initiative? I remember before playing if you didn't have at least two turns a round you were going to get shot to death a lot. Mages don't seem to have a lot of options for boosting speed outside of spells (that need to be sustained).

Are there many practical differences between mage and shaman? I've only noticed one so far (different stats used for some things). Are there still spirit animals or something that I'm missing somewhere or should I just play the one who's flavor feels appropriate?

(sorry for the pile of questions)

>>49917959

> Any advice for playing a mage in 5e?

Grab Heal, Levitate, Imp. Invisibility, Improve Reflexes, a direct combat spell and an indirect combat spell. Grab a gun. Grab a non-wizardish looking armor. Grab magesight goggles. Then just spice it up with whatever you like.

> Are combat spells any good in general?

It depends.
Knocking out a heavily armoured dude with stunbolts is fun, and a well dropped stunball or some kind of elemental AoE spell can occasionally trivialize an encounter. Generally, though, it is better to stick to guns - and you should carry one anyways, so as not to show everybody how much of a mage you are.

> Anything that's a must have or a really good idea to have?
> How do mages deal with initiative?

Sustaining foci for improved reflexes. You can also consider drugs; the safest ones shouldn't cause a spiral of addiction, provided you won't overdo them, and if your tradition is a WIL based one, you will generally be able to make your rolls.

Also, reagents. Spirits are super useful, and having some reagents to burn allows you to use them more often and while taking less drain.

> Are there many practical differences between mage and shaman?

Drain stats.

> Are there still spirit animals

Check for mentor spirits. Every tradition has access to them.

>>49918049
>and if your tradition is a WIL based one,
All traditions are WIL based, silly.

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>>49918099

Whoops

I haven't played Shadowrun for half a year

>>49917959

This guy >>49918049 pretty much covered everything.

Download Street Grimoire if you're gonna be a mage, because it's got a lot of good stuff. Namely, a shit load more traditions besides Hermetic Mage and Shaman.

Each tradition can only summon 5 various spirits, also, each spirit is associated with a School of magic (Combat, healing, manipulation, etc.).

Beyond that 'what' you are doesn't really matter beyond the drain stat (Its willpower + one other mental stat).

The exception to this is the Vodou and Qabbalistic traditions, which use Possession instead of materialization. This means the spirit can't manifest into a spirit thing in the real world, but instead, possesses a physical thing. When possessed, the thing is controlled by the spirit (So a person would not be in control of themsevles), the thing gets a bonus equal to, like, 1/2 force of the spirit (not 100% sure, it's been a while), and then the spirit can still do all its normal spirit things from that body. I'd stay away from these traditions until you're already comfortable with mages.

Also, as a bit of a Gentalmen's rule, do NOT take "Turn to Goo" because it's wayyyyy overpowered. Stay away from Opium Den as well, because it can make things really weird.

Finally, remember how drain works: Every spell has a Drain Code which is typically the Force of the spell, plus or Minus a number.

Example: Flamethrower has a Drain code of F-3, so, if you cast this at force 6, you would then take 3 drain. The drain is either Stun or Physical, based upon how many hits you have. If the number of hits is less than or equal to your magic, its stun damage. More, and it's physical.

The limit to all spells is the Force (So if you set it to force 3, you can't get more than 3 hits). The exception is with Reagents which can raise the limit.

Finally, you can't have less than 2 drain on a spell. Punch has a Force code of F-6, but if you cast at Force 4, you still will take 2 drain.

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>>49917760
Tricky question. It's more accurate to say they have no legal rights, as only a couple of mega-corporations and national governments recognise them as sentient beings.

That said, it is very easy for an AI to be guilty of things like criminal trespass or computer hacking charges if they make their home in the wrong device's node.

>>49918268
Thanks dear.

>>49915280
In a corporate owned apartment building where there's KE guards on a few different floors, making sure the assets are safe.

I'm not even entirely sure if that kind of thing makes sense in the context of Shadowrun.

>>49916271
Is that male or female?

>>49918439
Yes.

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>>49918439
Female. Only someone who expects traps in every image would think it's a man.

>>49918439

Looks like a girl to me desu senpai

would be a cute too, if it wasn't for the cigarette

>>49918467
One man's garbage is another man's treasure.
I'll take it gratefully.

>>49918458
Of course I expect traps, this is /d/ lite and that woman's Asian.

How common is it for runners to tamper with their guns and modify them for whatever purpose?

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>>49919065
Anyone who uses a weapon out of the box is a housewife or a decker.

>>49919109
That's exactly what I wanted to hear

>>49919065
Depends
I can imagine the Face and Mage to just take any random gun they can fire and be done with it, maybe the Decker as well

But sammies will most likely take any advantage they can get, and if that means modifying themselves or their gun they'll do it
the only thing an infiltrator will most likely get is Ceramic/Plasteel Components

>>49919130
And chameleon coating for rifles.

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>>49919130
>>49919154
And a personalized grip, smartgun system if the weapon doesn't already have it, gas-vents...

It only takes a bit of nuyen to take your gun up a notch, certainly cheaper than buying an entirely new rifle. If you're a couple runs deep and still using the basic model, you're selling yourself short.

>>49916271
Real name's Darian Jones, but he runs as Nexus-6 as a vague reference to one of those old flat-trids about how Shadowrunners are extremely short-lived.

>>49919109
>>49919130
>>49919205

...aaaand at the same time runners occasionally need single-use weapon to be discarded after planting a few, well-aimed shots. Granted, those probably won't be stuff you buy in shops, but rather RFID-scrubbed shadyguns, but still, nobody's going to customize this shit.

>>49919205
as I said, a sammie will take anything to make him better at killing, so all these mods would be in.

But honestly: an infiltrator only needs Ceramic/Plasteel Components and Chameleon Coating. All those other Mods are simply extras. Nice to have, but not necessary

And the Mage, Decker and Face just need a gun so that when SHTF they can do something other than Magic/Hacking/Talking shit about the enemy's mother

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>>49919257
Sure, you might have a pocket full of Streetline Specials. That's a different kettle of fish.

>>49919268
I disagree. The decker and mage, with their STR 2 noodle arms, will benefit from the RC of a gas-vent far more often than the sammy, especially if the former are just spraying bullets to cover the real hitter. It's not necessary-necessary, but it's cheap enough to get some basic work done on the gun (especially if someone on the team can install it) that no using them is handicapping yourself. Mods make the sammy go from great to phenomenal, but they can also bump up a lousy shooter to the worthwhile category.

>>49919205
>smartgun
Only retarded faggots use smartgun, especially if they're an infiltrator who isn't constantly babyed by a decker.

>>49919321
>if the former are just spraying bullets to cover the real hitter
please correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't Suppressive Fire give you no DPM, due to assuming that the recoil and the wide burst modifiers cancel out?
That's at least the situation in 4e. I know that many things between them are similar so correct me if it doesn't work like that in 5e anymore

>>49919342
Couldn't you possibly have the Smartgun/Smartlink connection go through a fiberoptic cable? I remember something of that kind

>>49916271
Gambler.
Lucas Black.

8 Edge Human mundane face that knows how to talk, shoot, or explode his way out of any situation. Loves to gamble. Has a knack for mathematics and statistics, which he frequently uses to guess probability of things. Cannot grasp the idea of magic, though is perusing a lot of freaky Qabalistic books to understand it. No augmentations.

I don't actually get to play him, because I'm the GM for now. Doesn't mean I can't put him into the campaign as their Fixer.

>>49919367

in 5e, you ignore recoil. Suppressive fire isn't just holding down and firing wildly, you are using, quote,

>a combination of controlled and fully automatic bursts focused over a narrow area and directed at anything that moves.

So, because they are controlled bursts, and not trying to hit a specific target, your recoil compensation isn't factored in at all. Roll Dice, apply debuff.

>>49919424

So, it's not considered a bad move to fill your campaign with characters you don't get to play because Forever GM?

>>49919444
As long as they're not untouchable GMPCs, people are unlikely to complain.

What books cover weapon modifications?

>>49919475
Most of them have at least a couple. This is one of those times when you should use Chummer as an index.

>>49919463

Oh, no, Sum to 10, or 12 characters made with the same rules as normal PC's. maybe a few fudged numbers for thematics.

>>49919444
Not at all.

Shit man, I got a whole runner team of ideas I'll never get to use.

>Horror Show
1 Cha, 1 Log Street "Samurai" who runs around with 40 resist dice, a ton of ini, over 20m walking, and uses a mono-chainsaw. Only communicates in grunts, screams, and monosyllabic taunts.

>Parker
Ork face who uses handguns. Carries a Manhunter for trash mobs, uses a Super Warhawk with APDS + calledshots for big guys. Works with Longbaugh.

>Longbaugh
Human infiltrator/breacher/Samurai. Uses Longarms, so snipes at distance, shotties at close range. Liberally uses grenades. Works with Parker.

>Red
Wolf Combat Adept. Ex UCAS Military (specifically 10th Mountain). Fights tactically and a lot of his plans involve Survival and patience (like waiting on a rooftop for 5 days). Overly plans and prepares for everything. Uses automatics and stealth frequently.

And that's just 4 out of them 40 something characters I've made when i was bored. I spread them around equally - some are allies, some are foes. Really makes the world living IMO, though the players mostly ignore them.

Does anyone here let their mages Initiate during Character Creation? Like, they have to use their karma for it anyways.

>>49919638
problem I see for it is that at chargen you have a lot more karma at your disposal than in play. So what might take 2-3 runs just for the karma to initiate first time you can get instantly.

Also remember that there should be an initiation quest, meaning that they can just buy the ranks without doing anything

Personally would discourage it but someone else should offer their side

>>49919638
Maybe if the group is supposed to be experienced and accomplished runners, instead of brand new or somewhat new-ish.

>>49919638
If you're specifically building to a higher power level, prime runner or some shit, and they involve the quest in their backstory, then sure, letting them do it once or twice is kosher. Assuming non-Awakened also get to do cool stuff.

>>49914094
Are you aware of just how fucking large each individual company of those is, or how much they actually do?

Hell fucking yes it's a megacorp.

>>49919367
>Couldn't you possibly have the Smartgun/Smartlink connection go through a fiberoptic cable?
For what, increased accuracy? Whoop die fucking doo.

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What would be the best build for a wrestler?

Bonus points for making them as mundane as possible.

>>49919920
More important than the two dice is this: inside a corp there's going to be next to nobody hacking your stuff because most of the hacking security is going to be inside the local host and thus unable to see your stuff or hack it.

And the guys that are outside are either just there to annoy (read people with dongle-ed comms) or more likely to just try and sneak enough marks on your comms to be able to overhear and/or track depending on how high end of a place you're going to go after.

Now if you have a team coming after you, they might mess with your gear like that, but you probably have bigger issues than somebody messing with or trying to brick your smartgun.

>>49919920
I had more the stealth aspect in mind
or are you telling me that having all the communication going wireless is just as easy to find as when you use wired connections for everything?

>>49920042
Yeah sure, nobody would bother screening the peremiters for icons because spiders are all retarded. But catching intruders is way overrated anyway.

>>49920052
Wired smartlink is just extra accuracy, darling. And of course you stay offline when on the run

>>49919834
>Megacorps are real
Big boy memes

>>49920086
You'll still want your stuff running silent, because it's basically no penalty to you.

But even the guys outside the host aren't going to just hack at something they see around the perimeter. No sense risking damage to your deck/comm or giving the guy a mark on you (and thus letting 'em see you instantly) if they're not your problem yet and might not be.

>>49920343
They aren't possibly going to attempt hacking, but they're going to know you're there.

Yekka, if you initiate during chargen, even if you had 6 magic before it and initiate 6 times, Chummer won't let you raise magic above 7. Even if you have Exceptional Attribute: Magic, it stilll doesn't.

>>49920762
If they get the right icon and succeed at the Matrix Perception roll, yes. They will know that an icon is out there, and possibly what the icon is for.

But that's not too helpful beyond being able to later do stuff. You can't really track 'em through an icon without hacking, because they might just park their Persona and all its icons outside. And in matrix space, that means that it's not going to appear to move and in AR vision that may help you find the person, but it's not an automatic thing. They'd still have to find you in meatspace, using meatspace skills.

And how much easier or harder that is would depend on how you're getting in the place.

>>49921018
They're going to know there's a breach which is enough to screw things over for you. And they're going to succeed in that matrix perception test since no infiltrator has enough knowhow in the matrix to properly defend against it.

>>49921159
How do they know there's a breach? Again, they see an icon, but don't know where it is (unless they're actively looking at the device to which the icon belongs, but that's a different situation entirely, as is hacking to find the icon in meatspace) and if you call every time you find a running silent icon outside 100 m, then you're going to be calling a whole lot and for a lot of false alarms.

Especially if it's a common icon that you find.

Also, the opposing roll is Log+Sleaze. Log is going to be middle-ish because there's Hermetics to account for. Sleaze isn't super-high, but dongles on comms and the decker's support can both bring that up. Also you can be on the Public Grid to worsen the security's chances by two dice. (If you for some reason know that security's going to be on the Public Grid, then you can make it -4 by being on a different grid.)

>>49921301
>Also you can be on the Public Grid to worsen the security's chances by two dice
Probably a different one, 'cause Public Grid imposes a -2 for all matrix actions

>>49921510
Yeah. But in just about all cases, the security for a corp isn't going to be on the public grid, because that's an automatic -2 for their searches.

And if they are, then, well, again. If they're on the public and you're not, that's -4 dice.

However, I mostly said Public Grid because it's a different grid that everyone has access to regardless of other stuff and has few downsides for the non-hacker, non-matrix searching runner.

>>49915999
>a razorgendered murdersexual
You just need to give their some kind of weird religious belief represented by Hobo with a Shotgun and the package will be complete.

>>49919268
The face/decker/mage are mostly likely going to mod their weapons to have a suppressor, a personalized grip, and a smartgun system that's either internal or external depending on how clunky they're willing to let their gun look.

They don't need an absolute fucking ton, but that's just some basic accuracy stuff that you should expect literally anyone to have on a gun they actually intend to use sometimes and keep afterwards - rather than just carry to be menacing, or something you intend to discard - and a suppressor because you don't want to be fucking noticed.

They'll typically gravitate towards guns that already have those features standard, of course. An Ingram Smartgun - with its integral smartgun system and suppressor - is an obvious choice that automatics-using non-combat characters tend to love, because the only non-standard feature they need is a personalized grip, and maybe electronic firing for serious whisper work.

They're not going to kit it to hell and back with improved rangefinders, gyro mounts/bipods, foregrips, or tricked-out optical scopes, but certain basics are just good for anyone who's not retarded to have, regardless of how much of a /k/ommando they are.

How do starting runners get runs without a fixer or reputation? Do they go by ear interceding in someone else's business, do they post themselves up for services somewhere?

>>49922093
>How do starting runners get runs without a fixer or reputation?
Usually by going to a fixer, which puts them together with other "starting runners get runs without a fixer or reputation" to do small runs to test them either until
>they die,
>they leave the business, or
>they prove themselves worthy and get (some) reputation and the fixer they started at

>>49922276
How do you find a fixer?

>>49922643
Some low level fixers might operate openly in the Barrens, so there's that.

Otherwise, following rumors, because some of them should pan out.

>>49916374
You run into the same problem with way the beast/way of the spirit and their free mentor spirits, though you can get around it by ticking free when adding them.

Let's assume, that you have been given an exclusive opportunity:
You are allowed to instantly fire one person working for CGL (excluding Coleman because he's TOO obviously the first one you'd pick)
Who do you chose and why?

You may assume they are immediately replaced by someone doing a better job at what they are doing.

>>49923912
Whoever was supposed to format/edit the books that clearly hasn't shown up to work in years.

Alternatively, whoever created the grenade rules.

Is there a way for dual-natured runners to avoid getting found immediately by the wage mage the moment they walk through the door?

>>49924119
Get inside a really big cardboard box

>>49924074
>Alternatively, whoever created the grenade rules.
That goes all the way back to FASA and first edition. They haven't changed the rules since then.

>>49924119
Stop astrally perceiving.
I don't think there's any way to be dual-natured without using astral perception, so just stop using it and you won't be seen.

>>49924365
>I don't think there's any way to be dual-natured without using astral perception, so just stop using it and you won't be seen.
Sasquatches, shapeshifters, and Infected are all dual-natured.

>>49924346
So wish granted then, I guess.

>>49924365
Couple metavariants also give it

>>49920029

Get a troll

Make him muscly as fuck.

Take the martial arts for wrestling.

Have decent charisma.

Give him skills related to bluffing and riling up crowd/ showmanship

Assuming "mundane" just means "not magical" give him some BOD and STR boosting cyber, but keep his essence intact enough that social skills don't hurt him.

Optional lasercannon cyberweapon for Sonic Booms/ Hadukens

Also that's a big question, try not to just ask "hey srg please make my fun character concept" like that. With my suggestions you can make a good basic version of that character concept. More advanced stuff happens when you remake your character the next 7 times.

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>>49914713
i still can't overcome this issue and i'm about to have an aneurism

>>49923316
Show me an affected character file? I can't replicate it. Actually, it almost sounds like you're adding those qualities manually. Is it not adding them for you when you take the parent quality?
>>49920865
That's... interesting. I have no idea why it's doing that. Odd.
>>49924365
Most metasapients and HMHVV-carriers are dual-natured, except for pixies and centaurs.
>>49923912
Hardy, I guess? Unlike the freelancers he's got a wide ability to affect change throughout the line, so it can force change more easily.
>>49924522
You would probably have to make a proxy actor for the drone to have as an owner. You should be able to just hide it in terrain or flag it as invisible. It's been a while since I messed with the UGC.

>>49924620
>You would probably have to make a proxy actor for the drone to have as an owner. You should be able to just hide it in terrain or flag it as invisible. It's been a while since I messed with the UGC.

Yeah, that's actually the approach I'm gonna try now but I can tell it's gonna be wonky as fuck for a number of reasons because of the game's nature when it comes to drones and riggers

>>49914713
Just give it an owner and shove him offscreen.

Alright /srg/,

A major movie studio is making a Shadowrun movie. What story do they choose to tell and who plays Harlequin because obviously that jerk will have to show up for nerd cred?

>>49924957
Honestly, they should just make it be a 3D CGI. Would make for better looks for like, everyone.

Tell a story in Seattle about a rent-a-cop who is forced to take the fall for Lonestar's failure to protect some Saeder Krupp asset and then he was to work with a generic ass group of Shadowrunners to get the item back or Lowfy eats his ass or something.

Or just make Dragonfall into a movie.

>>49925010
You know that whoever gets chosen as the Hollywood Romantic Partner, there's going to be some grumbling about it.

I feel like even if you used Dead Man's Switch, that'd be the case. But it'd be funny to me, at least.

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>>49925010
I dunno, considering how most of metahumanity still looks human, it'd probably be better to use actors and makeup.

I mean, shit, pic related is just some hobbyist cosplayers. Imagine what a major movie studio could do, if they actually tried to mimic the source material.

>>49924957
>What story do they choose to tell
Secrets of Power

>>49925290
>Glock
>Mk. 23
>Flecktarn
Disgusting

>>49924620
CHummer won't update, and often crashes on attempting to update.

>>49925590
Download from the main page, I apparently broke the update mechanism at some point.

>>49911245
Don't make the mcguffin something the players want. If it's a laser you can be sure someone will work hard to keep it

>>49925691
It doesn't work. At all.

>>49925751
>>49925691
That said, I guess I could probably find something else to replace it with, that way the players are even less likely to try and keep it.

Problem, then, is deciding what else I could have them steal from an Ares employee.

>>49925945
-Data
-The critical newly designed component for the laser (like the first functioning grown biocrystal) rather than a complete prototype
-the new design for the Ares Victory blazer to have the Chinese knock-offs churn out fakes before it even hits the market
-A mcguffin from Shiawase that Ares stole
-The ergonomic grip design they were going to use on the Predator VI
-A drone actuator
-A tougher spring for a tank's auto loader.
Etc.

>>49926082
Or he'll, just a better, cheaper, lighter, tougher, ergonomic or more secure ammunition crate design.

>>49924365
Yeah about that... my group has decided to go full edgelord and all play Infected. So we're kinda stuck facing this. (I guess we could just not be edglords but this is just too bad to turn down)

This probably is the least of all of our issues, but it's one that I can see hurting us pretty early on. If anyone has other advice for surviving as a party of highly hated and feared serial killers it'd be appreciated.

>>49925691
Why exactly not? Dangling the carrot of temptation in front of them is part of the fun.

>>49925647
I was looking for where road strips are, and I searched weapons. When I typed "za" without the quotes into the search field, chummer crashed entirely.

>>49924522
Several official things seem to have ownerless drones, open them up and see how they work.

>>49924620
It doesn't add them automatically, no. When you add them it doesn't charge you karma, but it won't let you take anymore qualities because you can't spend more than 25 karma on positive qualities.

>>49926292
Ask your GM if you can get access to Esprit “Petite Brume” Grenades. They impose movement and visual penalties for creatures acting in the Astral. Not hugely significant, but it can help slow your enemies down a bit. Generally speaking you're fucked though. Your sole benefit is that the Natural Weapon power allows you to attack Astral targets with Unarmed Combat using your physical attributes, so if you can get close enough to hit them you can do some damage.
>>49927115
Hrm. What version are you on? I thought I fixed that a few weeks back.
>>49926470
Whups. Bunch of the old cyberware qualities for weapons and such didn't have proper categories, so when you search for them it beaks. Will be fixed soon.

>>49927185
Also, where ARE road strips? And can you try and look at that hard-limit of 7 magic, please?

>>49927225
Road Strip Ejector is apparently a vehicle mod.

Looking into the magic limit now, actually. Not sure what's causing it yet.

>>49927282
Nah man, like, it's a mod, but doesn't it need ammo?

>>49927310
Oh! Right, I getcha. Sorry, been a while since I went through Rigger 5. Um, looks like they're not actually in the data file, that's embarrassing.

Can I build a bike that shoots grappling hooks in 5e too?

>>49927744
>what is a weapon mount
Yes.

http://www.drivethrurpg.com/product/196456/Shadowrun-Shadows-in-Focus-City-By-Shadow-Metrpole?hot60=0&src=hnum

Ooo.

>>49927779
5 grappling hooks, plus tires to drive on walls. 3d maneuvering.

Could do it in 4e.

>>49927825
More critters to not be able to use :)

>>49927860
>what are gecko pads
Why don't you actually try looking at vehicle mods in R5.0 or even Chummer? If you have the slots for gecko on the wheels and mounts on the body, it's doable.

>>49927910
I'd rather have you spoonfeed me anon. It's hot

>>49927825
trove when?

Hey guys, my group wants to do a game of shadowrun, but we've only played a bit of 4E.
I've heard that some of the other editions work better, and was hoping some anons might be willing to give some advice.

>>49928446
So far the type of people who have talked about playing 3e are the last type of people i want to play with.

But fifth vs fourth i dont know much about, ive been told its a bit more polished but i mean, cgl.

Also you already know how to play 4e

>>49928446

I really enjoy 5e but really if you only know 4e it's also good.

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>When the infiltrator shows you a feed of a guy talking with the chief of local LS police in his office and your character recognizes him as a guy who bought her a bottle of wine at a local humanis bar

>>49928715

Unsolicited advice: skin the guy and drag him behind his own car into Lone Star.

Don't fuck around, get Sicario on their asses.

Send. A. Message.

>>49928777

as in, the Lone Star Head Quarters.

>>49927185
I guess that means our default plan for encountering astral security is to destroy everything. Which is about what I'd expect out of this group anyways. I'm considering making a wannabe vampire who is a street sam with cyberfangs, so that may work too.

>>49928777
I mean, we know nothing about this guy, all he did was order a bottle of wine for my character, which was delivered via waiter. Which is what has me worried. His commlink was good enough to beat my matrix perception to find it, so all we have are pictures of his face (not great ones) and sound clips to ID him by.

So, /srg/, I'm considering doing a spooky run for my group next week, since we'll (probably) be playing on Halloween.

How does one go about doing 'spooky' in Shadowrun? I've considered just throwing them in a dark building with a Vampire, but that feels like it'd end way too quick(they have a lot of guns); a Dzoo-noo-qua might work, considering it could be tanky as fuck, but I'm not entirely sure if 'trapped with a troll vampire' is actually going to spook anybody, anyways.

The other idea I had was to have them get ambushed by Gargoyles, or something, but I dunno how to execute that or how to take it from that point to something that's actually spooky and not just 'oh no, another combat'

>>49928945
The Shedim are dark spirits that fuel on the misery of the world and puppet the dead in order to exterminate all life on the sixth world as the second symptom of the inevitable arrival of the Horrors.

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>>49928945
>How does one go about doing 'spooky' in Shadowrun?

>>49929131
SHEDIM INSECT SPIRIT TURF WAR GO GO GO

So suppose my character is dressing up as a vampire for Halloween, getting fang implants and everything.

What 5e drug do I get for my Chem gland?

>>49929131
You realize that insect spirit possession is literally a case of humans being infected with Insect spirit cordyceps.

>>49929652
K-10

>>49929702
To incapacitate, not send people into murderfuck sprees.

>>49929749
Laes

>>49929749
Don't be a bitch.

>>49929749
>incapacitate
They'll be
Once their Rampage ends anyway.

>>49930175
Not the same, I need fast acting ND not lethal to me.

>>49930202
Narcojet?

Yeah, I know, bland and unoriginal; but nothing wrong going with the classics.

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Any opinions on what qualities should be disallowed for SR5 characters? I'm generally pretty lenient but some things (corporate SIN, leroy, data liberator) are just too much of a pain in the ass to allow.

inb4 "Technomancer"

>>49930266
if I had to guess, any negative quality worth more than 15 or 20 karma and any quality that specifically calls for working with the game master to make work.

>>49930266
Wanted? Srg seems to dislike it at the very least

>>49930266
The only quality I allow at my table is 'blandness' desu

>>49930379
So no magicians, adepts or TMs?

>>49930833
Those aren't qualities per se; but rather a consequence of raising the Magic/Resonance stat.

>>49930961
You're an idiot.

>>49930986
Why, thank you!

Whats the best secondary language to know in Seattle? I picked up bilingual for my face and he isnt an immigrant from anywhere so he'd logically learn a language that is really common alongside English in his home town.

>>49930961

What about mentor spirits for magic users?

>>49931077
Japanese? Renraku has an arcology based there

>>49931077
Japanese, probably.

>>49931077
sperethiel

Does chummer5a not support Metamagic or Echoes at all?

>>49931187
It does, but you have to turn on the option to initiate/submerge at character generation. Otherwise it won't show up until you've Created the character

>>49931187
They're added by right-clicking the Initiate Grade and selecting Add Art/Metamagic, as floats your assorted boats.

Is it worth going longarms with a street sam for that delicious shotgun or should I just grab automatics?

>>49931210
Thanks, I'm a retard

>>49931216
In the end, it depends whether you want to stick to legally available gear or not.

A Remington for longer range precision fire and a Krime Boss for when things get close and personal will let you go a long way while staying within legal limits for a civilian. Otherwise, Alpha > everything else.

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>>49920865
Okay, that's fixed in the latest nightly.

>>49930266
Allergies, unless that shit is obnoxiously common like wi-fi or pollutants in a traditionnal urban setting.
I've had a wave of new players making their first characters, looking at Negative Qualities and going "All of that stuff penalises my character in some way, I'm just going to take a Moderate Allergy to bees and enjoy my free 15 Karma"

>but some things (corporate SIN, leroy, data liberator) are just too much of a pain in the ass to allow.
Corporate SIN can be fun if the PC acts as a spy for the corp, not revealing his true nature to the party, and is prepared to be instagibbed if someone ever finds out.
Data Liberator was handled pretty well in Dragonfall, where a network of Data Liberators hire you to do side objectives during your run and bring them the paydata. They would reward you for it, though.
Leroy was written for trolls, in honor of a troll.

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>>49931563
Time's up, let's do this!

>>49931077

Japanese in general
Sperethiel or Or'zet if your character is an Elf or Ork maybe.

After that it really depends on your character. I mean, who are they? What's their background? I mean sure he's not an immigrant, but what about his parents, or grandparents? Is he in with any of the criminal organisations? If he ran with the Vory Russian would make sense, etc etc.

Just pick something flavourful, or something utterly random like Latin or Ancient Greek for shits and giggles, and prep a list of quotes for play

Completely ruling out chummer5 of the question for a few reasons that I won't go into, what's a good practice to go about with character creation with a bunch of new players so it doesn't take forever?

Are there any lighter rules available?
I'm comfortable with the game's mechanics but I'd rather engage with my players in a simpler way before going all in with the crunchiness.

>>49932165
Ask what they want to play and do the chargen yourself or alternatively, run food Fight. Let them get a feeling for the game first and only introduce the to the wonderful mess that is character creation if they like the game.

>>49932165
Shadowrun is by its very essence rules heavy
Yes, even Anarchy. Just because the earth is lighter than the sun doesn't mean it is light. Similarly Anarchy might be rules-lightER but not rules-light

>>49932194
this is what I did for my players. Just ask them to make character concepts and then build the characters around it.
and using Food Fight to introduce rules is always a good idea

>>49932165
Build with Priority and abuse the fuck out of equipment packs. Consider building better and more equipment packs.

The best way to make shadowrun rules-lite is to focus on the (Attribute + Skill) +/- Modifiers vs Threshold mechanic.

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>>49918475
stop sounding autistic

>>49932550
I'll sound autistic for as long as people keep getting severely buttrustled by other people's ways of writing comments on the Internet.
It's always fun to find out exactly how pissed people get over how little.

>>49932550
ITs 4chan we all sound autistic.

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>>49925290
Go watch the behind the scenes stuff of LotR, about how they made Gandalf taller and the hobbits/dwarves shorter. It's a fucking nightmare even with really good props guys, cameramen and directors, and a huge budget.

Animated makes it a lot easier to have trolls and dorfs, to have cool cyberware and magic shit, and for decking to look good and not like a scene from a late 90's show about hackers.

>>49927825
>Shadowrun: Shadows in Focus: City By Shadow: Metrópole

Too many damn subtitles. What's wrong with just saying "Shadows in Focus"? They didn't use City by Shadow (which sounds retarded anyways) for Butte or Cheyenne.

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>>49932720
>City by Shadow

Is that supposed to be a V:tM joke?

>>49928446
>some of the other editions work better
They don't. By modern standards, they're mechanically even more clumsy and broken than modern Shadowrun. They just have nostalgia factor going for there, where people compare them to their contemporaries and to their own memories, rather than looking at them as they are now.

>>49930266
>Any opinions on what qualities should be disallowed for SR5 characters?
Prototype Transhuman, especially for any kind of Awakened character, especially for any character who doesn't use it as one of the primary elements of their backstory.

Can a weapon focus that requires a trigger be triggered by the 2-essence sammie if he's awakened or does it specifically require an awakened teammate to activate it?

I'm not sure I follow when it comes to weapon focusing

>>49933964
Every time someone brings up prototype transhuman, it saddens me.
I will never find a gm willing to let me play pepsi man

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>>49934148
I don't understand. Weapon Foci don't have triggers. Are you thinking of alchemy?

To use a foci, you just have to be bonded with it (which requires being Awakened) and activate it with a Simple Action. Your Essence doesn't matter, so long as you have at least MAG 1.

>>49931077
>Whats the best secondary language to know in Seattle?
Salish, Spanish, Japanese, or Sperethiel/Or'zet, depending on which communities you want to be good with. Much of the formerly American West is choked with Latinos who fled North during the social collapses, drug wars, and eventual Aztech reconsolidation, hence the Spanish.

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>>49934248
Probably? I'm just trying to find out how the fuck enchanted weapons work in this universe and something about activating triggers popped up

>>49934213
I allow Prototype Transhuman, but only if you're not Awakened, and only if it plays a significant role in your character's backstory.

As a result, I've never had anyone take Prototype Transhuman, because it's taken exclusively by Awakened characters who want only the mechanical effect and none of the fluff.

>>49934283
triggers are for alchemical preparations, prepared spells that can be fired later
think Scrolls in many RPGs: hold one Spell, destroyed when cast

>>49934309
I specifically want prototype transhuman to be the ultimate pepsi life form.

Or if i am playing a xenomorph style wall climbing horror runner.

>>49934337
So if I want to hypothetically have a streetsam with a fire sword or whatever the fuck, I only need an awakened character with a single point in magic for it to work?

That doesn't sound complicated, I guess. Thanks!

>>49934346
Oh, or playing as a not!umbrella experiment. That is always a good one.

Wish the symbiote mods were better and more obvious though, i wanna go full nemesis

>>49934390

Not really, I'm not sure if there's actually a way to do flaming swords and the like in Shadowrun (though there should, you could rework Enchanting to do something like that given how useless it currently is). Weapon Foci just let you add the Force of the focus to your melee attack roll and hit astral forms.

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>>49934283
Foci and Alchemy are different things. Quick explanation 101:

Foci are created with the Enchanting skill, and are long-term magic constructs. You want to carry around a magic sword that lets you fight better and stab spirits? You use a Weapon Foci. You want a torc that makes you gofast? Spell Foci (Health Sustaining) for Improved Reflexes. etc. They work as describes in >>49934248. Pretty much every mage and adept is going to get some over time.

Alchemy are (very) short-term items, made with the Alchemy skill. They work like a scroll in D&D- you put a spell into it at creation, later on you trigger the item, the spell goes off. There's a few different varieties of trigger, from a command work spoken by the mage, to a contact trigger that goes off when anything with an aura goes near it, to a time delay, etc. Pain in the ass to make, of limited use; niche build only.

>>49934390
There is no 'Sword on Fire' spell, though. You could do something like a Spellcasting Foci (Combat) and use that to help you cast Flamethrower, but it's less than ideal to try and do with 1 MAG. I'd recommend going either Adept with Elemental Body and punching guys with firefists, or Mystic Adept channelling magic through a sword-shaped focus. Dipping into Magic for 1 point is not worth it, because it means that you'll be incredibly shitty at using magic and all drain will be physical damage.

>>49934390
To have a fire sword, you'll need to be an Adept, and for the weapon focus to also come with a Qi Focus (probably built into the grip) which itself is powerful enough to provide some kind of Elemental Weapon power.

Which means you'll need to be at least Magic 2. You can only have a number of Foci attuned equal to your Magic rating.

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>>49934538
Fuck, I forgot about Elemental Weapon in >>49934487. Yeah, that's the way to go about it.

Though if he just wants a flaming sword, not a Weapon Foci, he could do that. It's a lousy way to do it, but I'm not even sure you can have two foci in one object.

Any difference in the three versions of Rigger 5.0 in the op? Aside from the different covers

>>49934213
You dont need to be a prototype transhuman to be pepsiman, you just need to play someone clinically insane.

I only have experience with the 3 Returns games on PC, does the matrix before the crash usually look like that or does it have the same artistic, full-color freedom as 5th edition wireless matrix?

>>49934747
If anything, it's the opposite.
The pre-Crash Matrix is fluff-wise described to be extremely detailed and varied, and plenty of older sourcebooks describe locations and hangouts in great detail. The Returns Matrix isn't the Matrix that most people use in their daily lives - it's mostly composed of corporate, public and business nodes and thus is kind of plain by default. It's of course also to streamline the graphics design.
The average Matrix node is if anything going to be even more detailed before the Crash, since it's much more of a part of everyone's lifestyle, is trusted enough for even the average user to invest effort into it and has more history.
The post-Crash Matrix would be characterized more by by-the-books corporate rebuilding efforts, blank/default nodes made by people who don't want to lose hundreds of hours of work in another Crash and nodes that are detailed but haven't taken the same chaotic path of development as the pre-Crash Matrix.
You need to remember that the Crash 2.0 is to the Matrix what CFD was to cyberware. It's a gamist decision from the design team that's intended to cripple the cyberpunk aspect of the game so that magic users can feel more at home in the plot. It just ended up going too far, and by now the lore and plot-changing powers are locked away with Awakened, who can do just short of everything on their own while the poor cyberpunk characters are paying out their ass for inferior equipment because of NANOBOTS, Crash shenanigans and CGL trying to redo 4e's Matrix travesty in a slightly more subtle way.

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>>49934626
>I'm not even sure you can have two foci in one object.
As long as it's two separate objects assembled into one thing, it's fine.

For example, if the bland-and-tang are the weapon focus, and the crosspiece (a completely separate piece) is the qi focus, and the grip is a mundane ergonomic grip? That's three objects (two foci) assembled into a single weapon.

>>49935001

Couldn't you have a qi focus as some kind of ornamental piece attached to the weapon? Or would it just affect the ornament and not the weapon?

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>>49935001
That's really splitting hairs, man. You can take just about anything and break it down into component parts. It's the same line of thinking that leads to magic guns, because you're just enchanting the barrel, which is only a metal tube and not mechanical or technological at all.

And from a magical perspective, a weapon foci is supposed to be a melee weapon, not just the cutting part. If you separate the blade from the handle, neither piece can really be used as a weapon. It's a holistic thing.

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>>49935080
You can have Qi foci as tattoos or the regular bric-a-brac mages use.

Personally, I'd ask the GM about enchanting the sheath as the Qi focus, because I love the idea of it painting fire onto the blade as it's drawn.

>>49935157

So the Qi Focus doesn't necessarily need to be anything related to the weapon then? That makes things simpler, though now that I think about it, having ornaments attached to a weapon to change what magical powers it has kinda makes it sound like a keyblade and now I want to play a keyblade adept.

>>49916271

Real name: Ragnar
Street: Ragtag

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>>49935193
>So the Qi Focus doesn't necessarily need to be anything related to the weapon then?

Weapon Foci are the only things that require a specific item, irrc, and Qi foci are often tattoos because adepts=internal magic. For the rest
> The physical form of a focus varies—bracelets, amulets, belts, wands, walking sticks, staves, cups, bottle caps, daggers, hats, hip flasks, pens, and so on and so forth—although most of the time a focus reflects the tradition of its maker.

When commanding drones outside VR, such as using the control device action. Is there a way for in a manner of speaking, commanding my drones like they are squadmates for a game like Rainbow Six Vegas 2? That is to say that I say something like "doberman drone with assault rifle, you suppress the enemy while ares duelist drone and I flank." Am I reading the book correct that I can do that, the drone just needs to roll their pilot rating times 2 threshold how difficult the command is?

>>49935362

As far as I can tell that's accurate, though the test is really required for unusual situations, in your example, it would break down into:

>Doberman: shoot at target area, prevent hostile movement, don't shoot rigger or ally Duelist
>Duelist: follow rigger, attack rigger's targets

When you look at it like that, it's all fairly simple even for a dog-brain to understand. Even still, it's probably best to slave them to an RCC and use that to give out the orders, that way you can mark targets and give orders via AROs.

>>49934743
It loses a fraction of themystique if they are not a lab created pepsilife form.

Also, mostgms have more of a problemwith pepsi man than prototype transhuman anyway.

>>49935521
Don't worry about that anon, I do have an RCC. From what I was reading the drones would just be acting the orders out in initiative order however, so if I blitzed to go first, we could do serious damage before our enemies acted theoretically

>>49935611
Be simple. Play a mute whose bareskin is never showed. Who is he? What is he?
What the hells a pepsi anyway?

Make them wonder.

>>49935753

Yeah it has to be in initiative order, you can't make the drones act before their turn, though given the fact that drones roll 3d6 by default for initiative, they can act pretty quickly.

>>49935753
Drones have their own initiative. If you blitzed to go first, you'd guarantee being able to make they have the correct orders, that's about it. Otherwise they'll either wait with no orders, or continue whatever their previous orders were.

>>49936936
Do personality modules help with that or are they just for riggers who want to talk to their drone pals?

where are the cute female orks though

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>>49937549

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>>49937436
The latter.

>>49924957

Dragonheart saga. I wrote a trailer for it and everything, right down to scenes that aren't in the movie that are in the trailer.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jjNgn4r6SOA

*SIMON AND GARFUNKEL'S BRIDGE OVER TROUBLED WATER STARTS*
Fade in 0-2 seconds
Washington DC from air shot one 2-6 s
Washington DC from air shot two 6-12 s
Assets incorporated shot one 12-15 s
Assets incorporated shot two 15-17 s
Assets incorporated shot three (people focused) 17-22 s
Sunrise over fire barrel on streets 22-26s
People sleeping in alleyway 26-28s
Imago Die edict on TV 28-32s
Ryan Mercury crying 32-40s
Wyrm Talk 40-47s
Squaring off against Ryan for training 47-52s
Captured Ryan 52-58s
Burnout 58-1:01s
David Gavrilan ordering death, then recanting 1:01-1:05s
Astral bridge 1:06-1:08
Shocked people from limousine explosion 1:08-1:12
News of Dunkelzahns death 1:13-1:16
Harlequin and Aina Dupree 1:17-1:21
Rattling suborbital plane 1:21-1:24
Going to window 1:24-1:27
Great Dragon death dance 1:27-1:44
Ryan coming home in ghetto 1:44-1:49
The armed thugs who came for Ryan 1:50-1:54
Darke doing ritual things 1:54-2:02
Reaquiring the dragon heart action scene 2:02-2:05
Reaquiring the dragon heart object show 2:05-2:08
Dunkelzahn dancing 2:09-2:15
Those pyramid head guys closing in on shocked guy 2:15-2:17
Those pyramid head guys stabbing guy to death 2:17-2:20
2.
Horroi army standing across the chasm 2:20-2:27
Goddess radiating light 2:27-2:31
Lethe talking to Goddess 2:31-2:35
Dunkelzahn funeral 2:35-2:39
Dunkelzahn investigating Denver flnaked by every helicopter in the air at all, military and civilian 2:39-2:46
Limousine explosion (on first note) 2:46-2:50
On each note from 2:50-2:55 (15 things):

1/2

>>49937963

1: Fighting dunkelzahn in human form
2: Shooting at tail in Washington
3: Horroi rushing over bridge
4: Darke slitting throat
5: Troll bursting into flames from possession
6: Ryan falling from tower
7: Helicopter getting shot down
8: Taking Nadja hostage
9: Vat of Thomas Roxborough
10: Darke preaching to people below
11: Fighting burnout in climax
12: Dunkelzahn killing Ryan's enemies
13: Aztlan military
14: Cyberzombie falling
15: Ryan looking scared and conflicted
Dunkelzahn for president poster 2:55-2:56
Zoom out from poster to Washington DC 2:56-3:02
Zoom out from DC to UCAS in orbit 3:02-3:04
Fade out/trailer info 3:04-3:20

new thread when?

>>49938044
short moment

NEW THREAD:
>>49938134
>>49938134

>>49935085
I just looked at the section, and it doesn't really say that the telesma can't already be a focus, so in theory you could layer effects on the one foci, you'd need an appropriate formula, but if the GM permits there's nothing to stop you. Hell there's a option in chummer to create combined foci, though that's probably left over from 4e.