Warhammer 40,000 general

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2k point list, r8?

Also, Knight kit advice? Thermal cannon seems awesome, but the battle cannon will chew groups better and a melta+avenger+icarus should wreck armor anyway, right?

Also, name for this force/a better name for the knight? Oromis sounds pretty cool but I feel like I could do better.

where can I find rules for a thudd gun?
should I buy one?

Trying to use the Death Masque harlequins in a killteam thing. Is this a terrible idea? Just a set of clowns costs 95 points!

I've basically just got the players and a starweaver. Hopefully I don't just get swarmed and get my shit pushed in. Or are these guys so good they only need 5 dudes and a boat?

What's the closest Knight World to Terra or Mars, assuming there aren't any Knight Houses on Terra or Mars?

>>49897204
someone pls

>>49897204
It's in Imperial Armour Volume I, Second Edition.

>>49897221
Looks like Alaric Prime from what I can see in my codex, but I thought house Krast was actually the closest, forgot the name of their world though

>>49897092
Melta cannon anon. Never look back.....it is awesome.

>>49897286
thanks

>>49897204
>should I buy one?
No. Instead buy Heavy Artillery Carriages. They are one of the best Artillery in the game.

So many Imperium fuckers are going to buy this for the Custodes, the Sisters, the Mk III armor and the Tartaros termies.

eBay will be flooded with Ahriman and !Bjorn models. And the Ahriman model is the only one I want! I can hardly wait.

>>49897473

I will probably get them to use with my Calth box so I can go with preheresy Thousand Sons as CSM. Probably. Depends on the next Course of Fenris

Good starting 1k point tau army? Or should I hold off for a bit to get into 40k?

+++ Osc and starter (999pts) +++

++ Tau Empire: Codex (2015) (Formation Detachment) (999pts) ++

+ Formation (999pts) +

Drone-Net VX1-0 (224pts)
··Drones [4x MV7 Marker Drone]
··Drones [4x MV7 Marker Drone]
··Drones [4x MV1 Gun Drone]
··Drones [4x MV1 Gun Drone]

Ethereal Honour Guard (346pts)
··Ethereal on Hover Drone [Honour Blade, Hover Drone]
··Strike Team [12x Fire Warrior with Pulse Rifle]
··XV8 Crisis Battlesuits
····Crisis Shas'ui [Early Warning Override, 2x Plasma Rifle]
····Crisis Shas'ui [Early Warning Override, 2x Plasma Rifle]
····Crisis Shas'vre [Airbursting Fragmentation Projector, Neuroweb System Jammer, Plasma Rifle]

Optimized Stealth Cadre (429pts)
··XV25 Stealth Battlesuits [2x MV1 Gun Drone]
····Stealth Shas'ui with Burst Cannon [Vectored Retro-Thrusters]
····Stealth Shas'ui with Burst Cannon [Vectored Retro-Thrusters]
····Stealth Shas'vre [Burst Cannon, Markerlight and target lock, Vectored Retro-Thrusters]
··XV25 Stealth Battlesuits
····Stealth Shas'ui with Burst Cannon [Vectored Retro-Thrusters]
····Stealth Shas'ui with Burst Cannon [Vectored Retro-Thrusters]
····Stealth Shas'ui with Burst Cannon [Vectored Retro-Thrusters]
··XV95 Ghostkeel Battlesuits
····Ghostkeel Shas'vre [Cyclic Ion Raker, Early Warning Override, Stimulant Injector, Twin-linked Fusion Blaster]

>>49897050
So, question; Whats stopping me from embarking my Custodes into a Chimera?

>>49897597
Nothing. Enjoy your Customera.

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>>49897615
>Tfw a bunch of Chadstodes kicked you out of your ride, so they could pick up some Sisters of Silence.

How cool are the Skitarii?

About to start buying my army in earnest so I haven't committed to anything really. Thought abut switching from SM to Skit since that way I can still field a Knight in 2k games.

>>49897777
They're cool as balls, anon. Some of the best models available, solid but not OP rules (not counting War Convocation), with a fun and interesting playstyle. Highly recommend if your local meta is mid-tier.

>>49897512
I'm thinking about the same thing. I'd like to use them for HH, but I stopped tracking when Inferno comes out. Some time next year I assume. Although if plastic rubrics look good I might just get those.

I've always wanted Thousand Sons as an ally force, but the Thousand Sons as troops with MoT Sorcerer only works on the primary detachment. So the new TS book will hopefully change that or add some small formations.

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>slowly lost interest as the game was becoming a retarded clusterfuck earlier this year, haven't been to FLGS in months, just sorta petered out of the hobby
>while I have fielded my m8's armies and had some fun, even then the game was retarded. but to make matters worse, the only army I actually own is fluffy CSM
>just checked if new CSM codex
>still nope

jesus christ have all the CSM bros just dropped out of the game by now? wtf is going on? it's literally almost 2017 and CSM is going on 5 years with a complete shitdex, while other codexes go like 4 years max with loyalists getting a new codex every time a GW writer farts and his ass momentum causes his hand to slap across the keyboard to accidentally write terrible rules

this isn't so much a "woe is me I field CSM" post as much as a "lel wut" post, what has happened since early 2016?

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>>49897851
>See this post
>Have been playing Orks since their inception
>Mfw

>>49897851
Traitors hate, crimson slaughter and black legion updates.

Consider hades autocannon rapiers, sicarans, and formations.

>>49897851
>Traitor's Hate
>Curse of the Wulfen

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>>49897851
Traitors Hate, a campaign with CSM vs BA, just dropped some new formations, which are pretty skub, but better than the BL or CS supplements. It's got a decurion-style detachment too.

Codex: Thousand Sons is coming soon with Daemon Magnus. Rumor is CSM will be getting more codices similar to how SW, DA, BA, GK, and DW all have their own books, and Mortarion and Angron will get Daemon Primarch models too.

Keep an eye on it. CSM might become fun again if/when 8th drops.

>>49897905
>fluffy CSM
His fate is already sealed, anon.

>>49897940
>Codex: Thousand Sons is coming soon with Daemon Magnus.
Am I dreaming? Or is this like how sister fans have been strung along for the last decade?

>>49897967
Sisters are getting updated soon-ish too.

Confirmed through four different sources, not bullshit.

>>49897851
>playing dark eldars
>had most of my rules, gear and characters last edition
>received the nerfbat through FAQs
>still bitch far less than the 3+ fags that just received a supplement and most likely will be updated regularly thanks to the new eye of terror campaign and had an update almost every edition but 4th and have been top tier at least in two editions
Wew lad, I don't know how csm fags have lived this far without making a hero with how they can't deal with being a low tier army for the first time in one edition since their inception.

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>>49897993
sure

>>49897967
Nah. GW even confirmed a leak that they may or may not have staged in the first place. I'm fucking hyped. Even if they suck the models will be cool. I'm hoping for Rubric Terminators.

>>49898068
>Rubric Terminators
possibly the only thing that might get me to play a Chaos army

>>49897588
Hmm, 3 Crises suits and an optimized stealth cadre...

Looks pretty good, anon! Just, don't expect to play more than 1 game against any one player.

>>49898016
Bro, they just updated Genestealer Cults after TWENTY fucking years, this cynical SoB player bullshit needs to die. I swear to god the rest of us will literally be fielding plastic Sisters with their brand new Codex and original SoBfags will still be denying they exist and whining they'll never be updated.

>>49898120
That's a fair point I guess.

>>49898085
>They'll get ap3 combi weapons, reaper autocannon
>GK will shitpost about how they should get psychic ammunition back

Alternately

>GW remove ensorcelled ammunition as an option and only rubrics can use it.

>>49898120
Counterpoint:
The "update" for Black Templars was folding them into the C:SM. Sometimes when they finally cock an eye at you you get shafted.

>>49898120
MUH SISTERS
YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND OUR PAIN

The best thing about any potential sister release is it means all these fags will finally shut the fuck up or move to the next hipster army.

>>49898155
I just want the models.

>>49897993
>>49898068
>BoP, Inferno and Codex TSons.
Just fuck my savings up senpai

>>49898160
And then doing absolutely nothing to support it, leaving BT to be the worst chapter tactic in the book.

>>49898160
All the Space Marine Chapters should be rolled into one book, this isn't really a bad thing.

It's the execution of the rules they gave BTs that sucks, not the fact that they share a Codex with other Chapters.

Raven Guard, Salamanders, White Scars, Iron Hands, and Imperial Fists are all doing amazing and no one is whining they don't have their own Codex.

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Anyone here have experience with the Fire Raptor Gunship? I'm considering one or three for my Chaos Marines.

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Yo, what site/program is used to make these templates? I'm asking for a friend, his IP range was block-banned thanks to peruvian shitposters

>>49898179
What's the second most hipster army after SoB?

>>49897588
You know what u should do?
Watch a match between a Tau player with a list like that, then see the reaction of the other person as he either gets fucking wiped or pays an arm and a leg for a tie, then ask yourself if you want to be That Tau Guy at the store
The only way this could be more tryhard is if it was an Eldar list. That being said, you could play armies that are your tier so it's actually a match

>>49898219
They're really freaking good but also the kit is literal cancer to assemble.
Or so I've heard. I can speka from firsthand experience for the gameplay effectiveness, but have never assembled one myself.

>SoS confirmed still in 40k

AhAHHAHAhAHAHAH SUCK A DICK CARNAC.

i am annoyed that sisters of silence and custodes don't get fragkrak. it feels like GW keeps forgetting to give those things to units. or maybe fragkrak doesn't exist in the same way in 9th edition

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I'm pretty new to 40k, would it be "wrong" lore wise or whatever to paint this dude as a Black Templar?

>>49898246
>duel wielding Storm bolters
neat

>>49898250
Harlequins

>>49898297
No. In fact, GW has 100% confirmed that the rules of that model only apply to vanilla codexes.

>>49898297
no

>>49898246
It might be a temp range ban. Or he can cough up for a pass.

>>49898250
I honestly can't think of one. Chaos cult troops, I guess?

>rubrics getting a model update literally this winter
nurgle or slaanesh, I guess.

>>49898250
Dark Eldar if you mean 'proper' codex. If you don't, then Inquisition. Because they know it's stupidly good but they claim it isn't because "not model supported!".

>>49898318
He doesn't have the shekels
Anyway yeah what is that template from? I've 100% seen it before

>SoS and Custodes are fieldable in 40k

HOLY AWESOME

>No Krak or Frag

FUCK YOU GW.

>>49898255
I can speak from first hand, after assembling 3 for a buddy. They made me consider slashing my wrists with m Exacto Blade a few times.

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>>49898340
>They have no Frag Grenades
>my herald of Khornes face when

>>49898340
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sBDvoDdQmIM

less things should have access to frag grenades
also frag grenades should cost points again

>Sister of Silence's upgrade weapon is better than Blood Angel's Relic options across 3 (THREE) books

Okay, I'm glad they are confirmed in 40k, but come the fuck on. Why does Vanilla get Burning Blade and Gorgon's Chains, or SW get Black Death and that Frost Sword thing or the Terminator Armour (in fluff) which allows you to ride a TW.

Only Dark Angels come close to BA's in utter shit relics and even then it's so far apart it makes me cry. When even the GK's are better, you know shit is bad.

Make matters worse, the DC ones can only be used on DCC.

>>49898269
Wait til the new Tyranid Codex comes out that's written by Kelly again and retcons all the shit Cruddace has churned out, he'll have a fucking conniption and hopefully an hero.

>want to get back into painting warhammers
>remember what a massive fucking investment it is just to get started

really killing my hype

>>49897305
Krast is Martian.

>>49898375
Less of an investment than most hobbies.

>>49898096
>>49898253
This is a tryhard list? I just combined some box sets with good value and wanted to make a balanced force. I had no idea this is "that guy" tier. What's so bad about it?

>>49898369
I mean, I agree, but they're suppose to be Elite units. Both of them. Why the fuck don't they have grenades?

I mean, SoS can take Psy-Outs, but suddenly being able to pop a vehicle or get proper charges in is impossible. It just forces people to play them as range units instead of bad-ass melee beasts.

>Custodians have a fucking Power Knife
>POWER.
>KNIFE.
>That's Not a Knife.jpg

I'll be modelling them with Swords + Shields anyway.

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>>49898330
>dark eldar
>hipster army
Fight me!!!

>>49898372
He's just here to shitpost anyway. People have to remember that. He exists to antagonise. But what him try and explain his way out of it again. He literally said

>Rules for 40k just mean between 31k-40k, since SoS were last seen in 34k, that means they're rules for then

Well the fluff text says otherwise now.

>>49898391
The only very cheesy thing in your list is the optimized stealth cadre's Wall of Mirrors horsecock, so if you want to avoid cheese just don't activate it during the game.

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>>49898410
Bring it on, big boy~~~!

>>49898369
Squishy dedicated melee units should have access to grenades.

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>>49897050
>Imperium armies shouldn't have nice things
fucking heretics always making life difficult

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Can any super oldfags give me some help with 40k: Rogue Trader 1E?

Mainly, does opting to Run Away when charged prevent a model from moving in its next turn? I can't find anything that suggest it does except the mention that TURNING doesn't affect its next move, which might be implying that running does. Other than that though, literally nothing suggests it, and extra movements are actually fairly common in RT.

However, if Running Away doesn't affect its next move, I can't see a reason to ever not run. Light armor models will always be faster than the heavily armored behemoths chasing them, so not only do you always escape, you can then just turn around and shoot the guy in your turn and run away again in his. There's no way to guarantee a close combat. Even you start 1/8 an inch from the model, he has the ability to run away when charging.

Or am I just looking at this wrong, and this is just a classic example of how essential Movement Speed was as a stat for melee models? Cause a human in mesh armor is only M3.5, while a freaking genestealer is M6. That's a 12" charge against 7" Run Away, so it's easy to catch up (and force a rout). Also, Jump Packs are a mighty 18" in movement or charge, so I guess they can melee easily.

Can anyone shed some light on this? Can an Inquisitor without a jump pack ever reach melee if their opponent doesn't want it?

>>49898396
>Why the fuck don't they have grenades?
grenades are for the soldiers, not the trophy wives

>>49898391
Your Optimized Stealth Cadre's Wall of Mirrors will turn the entire enemy vehicle support to scrap regardless of any careful maneuvering, strategy, cover, or listbuilding they perform. Then your riptides will waste whatever infantry remains with minimal loss of models in return.

The key words here are "Regardless of strategy". Special rules and powerful units are one thing, but stripping the enemy player of meaningful agency makes the game a boring slog.

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Are all armor marks compatible with each other in canon? Like can you just mix and match if you want? This picture implies yes but I've heard otherwise elsewhere.

>>49898511
mixing mark III and mark IV is only possible with the extreme ability of the Iron Hand's best guys according to the Horus Heresy. Mark III isn't compatible with anything otherwise

>>49898415
I figured that's a vital rule due to this armies lack of high strength low ap. With the exception of fusion on the ghostkeel everything else is more anti MEQ

>>49898491
I don't have any riptides, unless you meant the crisis suits. I specifically didn't include riptides for two reasons, 1) keep cost down 2) it seems unanimous that riptides in sub 1500 (and sometimes up to 1850) point games are cancer

But in defense of the crisis suits, they aren't impossible to kill. A single krak middle could bring one down right?

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50 points per Golden Boy seems like a lot.

>>49898549
You know that's an incorrect and trollish statement, Anon.

>>49898438
>Mainly, does opting to Run Away when charged prevent a model from moving in its next turn?
not that I can tell

Do remember that (depending on orientation) you have to sacrifice an additional half-inch from your movement to run away from a charge. Turning more than 90 degrees isn't free

More importantly, it's an easy way to knock units out of formation (because their fleeing movement is entirely predictable and manipulable) and potentially out of the game for an entire turn.

>>49898549
Compare them to Meganobs, or even GK paladins. A squad with a shield and four halberds, look-out-sir ing wounds to each other, on t5 2w models, is actually really goddamn amazing

>>49898585
>(Character)
Holy fuck. I missed that.

>>49898549
15 points over a terminator.

is +1 WS, BS, S, T, W, I, A, LD, Eternal Warrior, Fear and Guardian Spears worth 15 points to you

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>>49898549
Goddamnit I might just have to buy the entire box without splitting it with anybody.
Custodes + Iron armor vanguard vets + Ironclad dreadnoughts + leviathan dreadnought and I'm gonna have a good time

>>49898511
MkII and MkIII are compatible because they are the same armor mark. MkIII just has reinforced plating.

MkIV and V are compatible because V is Chinese IV.

MkVI and VII are compatible hecause VII was designed as a somewhat improved VI but with weaker sensors in exchange for armor.

VII and VIII are compatible because VIII is up-armored VII.

>>49898541
God dammit! I meant Crises Suits. This whole Debacle with the riptide meme's gotten me confused about which suit is which...AGAIN! But Crises Suits are still VERY powerful even by the standards of elites. And sure, a single krak missile COULD kill one. A single lascannon could kill a Leman Russ, too. All you need to do is roll a 4+, then a 6, then another 6. Thats assuming its not in an Emp's fist, though, in which case you need a 4+, 6, double 6.

Whats possible and whats feasable are two very different things.

>>49898549
The rules for BoP are going to have to make the 1ksons really OP to counter that shit..

5 sisters of silence+1 superior(6 total) with greatswords vs a genestealer patriarch with two familiars. both are 100 points, who wins.

>>49898653
Doubt it. Those are the 40k rules. And to be honest, they feel unfinished to me. Or just not quite right.

TSons will have their own legion rules and such and will use the Legion army list like all other legions do.

Custodes are getting their own army list and units.

>>49898653
I can't imagine how.
>>49898633
I play BA so the whole thing is probably going to be a wash for me.
>>49898619
It is.
>>49898579
I see that now.

>>49898665
If the sisters charge, they might have a chance. Otherwise, probably the patriarch. I'm just imagining dropping ten of them out of a dreadclaw into something expensive

>>49898644
Why would you need 3 rolls? I'm new to 40k so I might be missing something but suits aren't vehicles so you don't need to roll on the table, they'd just for if I failed my save. Moreover they're t4 (or t3) so they're not much tougher than a marine right?


I'm not trying to be obstinate, I need a frame of reference since I built this list with the idea of it not being gay

>>49898679
Yeah I'm inferring a lot of things it was just my first reaction to the rules.

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>>49898420
It's on bitch

>>49898549

Holy fuck those sisters of silence.
>any number of flamers in the unit at 2 points each
>alternatively, take ap2 melee attacks at initiative 5 for free

>>49898585
>look-out-sir ing wounds to each other
>>49898609

FUCKING SAME.

THEY'RE A L L CHARACTERS??

THEY ARE LITERALLY D E S I G N E D TO FUCKING PLAY MAGICAL WOUNDS LIKE OLDSCHOOL NOBS???

HOLY DICK.

How can I earn $20 before tomorrow. I'll suck the emperors fucking dick if it means I get to preorder Prospero.

>>49898653
>The rules for BoP are going to have to make the 1ksons really OP to counter that shit..
>counter that shit
>counter the force specially formed to destroy them with extreme prejudice
Nah, even if the tsons were prepared they would end up destroyed anyways.

>>49898585
>Compare them to Meganobs
Are you trying to make me cry?

>>49898843
>Board game where one side always losses
>Fun

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>>49898581
Ah shit, I didn't even think about that. After playing 7E and HoR, it's hard to beat my thinking into these old rules since it plays like a weird hybrid of both.

Still, this is a really impressive game. I wish some of the rules had carried over into modern 40k, particularly Hiding (although HoR does it better than RT) and Blast weapons never scattering more than half their max range (so a grenade can only scatter 4" max). That said, some of this is just great (in a funny way):
>Carapace Armor: 4+ Sv, 1" M penalty, "air-sealed"
>Powered Armor: 4+ Sv, no penalty, "air-sealed."
>Flak Armor: 6+ Sv, no penalty.
>Powered Armor with Flak Underarmor: 3+ Sv, 1/2" penalty, "air-sealed."
Just the idea that Carapace was essentially un-powered Power Armor, air tight and all, while Power Armor required a flak undershirt to actually be the power armor we know today (which somehow slowed you, when flak is described as "does not restrict movement at all").

>>49898822
I know, right? Just DS them next to something and watch your opponent sweat bullets.

>In addition, all friendly models from the Armies of the Imperium in the same unit as the bearer have +1 Attack whilst the bearer is alive
I have to find a way to fit these guys into my Death Company Strike Force/Golden Host list.

>>49898743
>Feels threatened by sisters of battle without transports or invulnerable saves
Why evemn play anon?

>>49898420
I am thinking about painting a sexy succubus on one of my aether sails. I think it will be a big hit. But I also want to paint a sexy archon. What do you think will be the reaction? Any sexy archon pictures?

>>49898861
I find 2nd edition is a decent in-between of RT and the various 3rd edition clones.

But yeah, RT's pretty sweet.

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>>49898860
>playing space fantasy historical game were one side was plummed almost to the last man and had to escape trough magical means
>expecting any other result

>>49898704
If the sisters charge, they win hands dow- nevermind, just calculated that, they have a chance but I'd put it at a little less than 50/50.

If the Patriarch charges, it loses the bonus attack from psyk-out grenades, makes 4 attacks hitting on 3's, wounds on 2's with re-roll, allows no armor saves, total 2.59 dead sisters. Familiars attack, 0.88 dead sisters after saves and rends, total of 3.47 dead sisters.

Let's say that leaves the Superior and two others remaining, that's 7 attacks hitting on 4's with re-roll due to Bane of Psykers, Wounding on 5's, ignores armor, 1.75 Wounds. Patriarch cleans up in round 2.

>>49897092
If you're playing Dark Angels you gotta name it after a beast that inhabited Caliban before it exploded. or something simple like Giantslayer. their homeworld was pretty much a fantasy world where everybody killed monsters.

>>49898872
They're characters but not independent characters, they can't join a unit to share the +1 attack bonus. You can, however, join other ICs to them to get the bonus, which now that I think about it, is probably what you meant in the first place.

>>49898933
>Sit down to play a game of BoP
>Both people want to play SW/AC/SoS
>Flip coin to decide
>Whomever gets SW/AC/SoS automatically wins
>Put BoP back in cupboard
$300 well spend I say.

>>49898960
Also in a more realistic scenario, the Patriarch will have some Genestealers with it to tank hits with 5++, making this even more one-sided.

Frankly I'm pleasantly impressed that Tyranids finally aren't BTFO in melee for once since that faggot Cruddace took over.

>>49898992
>He actually thinks people want to play these 30k boxed games.

>>49898982
It is a bubble like the bonus attacks from the Death Company Strike Force, the Chapter Banner in Guard squad, and the bonus attack from the Sanguinor in some hellish nightmare scenario where they are all close enough to give each other attacks. Purely hypothetical.

>>49899035
Betrayal at Calth was actually really good though.

>>49899035
>Having no friends
Sheesh... Nothing personal kid.

>>49899061

It's not why most people bought the box, certainly not why lots bought more than one.

It was a big seller because it was a cheap and easy way of starting a 30k force.

I'd guess that BoP won't be quite as big.

>>49899072
Come on, Anon. I've got friends, mum said so.

>>49898717
well, you don't seem like a bad guy, so I won't hold this list against you.

4+ to hit, 6 to pen, and 6 to explode for a Leman Russ using a lascannon. Crisis suits have 3+ armor, so most infantry weapons won't pen that, and 4 toughness means most infantry weapons will require multiple shots to wound it, and then they have 2 wounds each, and most of the weapons they fire rip and tear infantry apart. They're like that perfect hybrid unit that is difficult for infantry to fight, but easy for vehicles to stomp, so you don't know which one to use on them.

Also, 8 marker drones makes for fun times ahead when you shit on every save the enemy could possibly have to not be slaughtered by your shooty list. I remember playing a game where a guy brought two pathfinder squads, and I literally had to nuke them with Basilisks just to stand a chance beyond turn two.

And then the stealth cadre has already been mentioned.

Overall, your list is fucking fantastic, which is why it's considered so tryhard. When u play people, make sure that they understand the challenge they're facing. /tg/ usually frowns on people who bring these tryhard lists against shit like ork armies or some cancerous thing like that.

>>49898992

There are plenty of boardgames with a pretty much guaranteed outcome that are fun.

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>>49898916
I've been meaning to read over 2E as well. I only got caught up in RT when a friend asked me to compare the modern HoR Arbites Webber to "the old one," and I went from reading about the Webber to how RT guns worked to how Shooting worked, then Movement, and so on. Said friend (and myself) is extremely open to alternative editions and I figured we might give some RT a try. I especially like all the wargear and special rule options that goes into creating each model.

2nd Edition still has a lot of that too, doesn't it? I think that Mutations sheet chaosfags tout here sometimes is from then.

>>49898585
>look-out-sir ing wounds to each other

Yeah but it is to the closest model so its not super effective

>>49898539
>>49898635

But in the picture I posted, which is from a codex, the second guy in the first squad has mk3 legs, mk6 shoulders and mk7 chest and head.

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>>49898410
>Nami
Boy, that brings back some pre-teen boners.

>>49899128
Two explanations, anon.

1. Retconned.

2. Custom/local pattern that only looks like said mark.

>>49899106
>2nd Edition still has a lot of that too, doesn't it?
more or less, though not as in-depth as RT

Problem with 2e is that although the system's a lot tighter, everything's split between all the different books and cards.

If you're just trying out RT, the battle at the farm is pretty much the ideal way to learn the system. Better than trying to dive headfirst in with custom units for your first games.

>>49899021
Patriarch + 5 purestrains = 10 SoS w/ Sister Superior all wielding executioner greatblades = 160 pts each

Sister's charge:
Patriarch 4 attacks
2.66 hits
2.59 wounds, no saves
Genestealers 15 attacks
10 hits
3.33 unsaved wounds (including Rends + failed saves)

Total 5.92 dead sisters (let's say 6)

Sister Superior and 3 others attack back
13 attacks
9.75 hits
4.87 Wounds
3.25 dead Genestealers after saves

Round 2
Patriarch wipes 2 more sisters
2 Genestealers, 6 attacks
4 hits
1.3 dead

2 Sisters remain
5 attacks
1.25 dead stealers
Get wiped by the Patriarch in round 3

>>49899045
But the Custodes Vexilla doesn't grant attacks in a bubble, just to its own unit. The Fearless is a bubble aura.

>>49898872
>>49899045
extra attack is only for the custodes unit and an IC breh.
>in the same unit as the bearer have +1 Attack whilst the bearer is alive

>>49899118
Put them in a formation where the guy getting shot always has at least two others equidistant and it's pretty fucking effective.

>>49899150
I'll keep that in mind. Thanks, m8. Do you think it'd be worthwhile to dip into the RT supplement books as well or just keep it simple?

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>>49898549
>Tiny sister swords are ap2
>Sisters are I5

>Fuck Huge Custodes Murdersword ap3
>i4

>>49899225
start simple, add in the supplements once you've got a handle on the core stuff

They're worth checking out, but also strange. Try digging up the Imperial Robot rules and you'll see what I'm talking about.

>>49899228
The sister's sword is two-handed, the Custodes sword is one-handed and gives up some of its mass for generating a power field to mount boltguns.

>>49899086
I see what you mean on the crisis suits, although tau lack an alternative to them. But I certainly see what you're saying. Maybe I'll drop the drone net and add a CAD. It won't rectify the strength of the OSC, which I'm getting just for its value. But I could add some squishy pathfinders and more infantry to help with objective scoring.

I'm really trying to not make an aids tier list, but everything the tau has seems to be high tier

>>49897317
>Melta cannon anon. Never look back.....it is awesome
Not sure if trolling or retarded.

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Make terminators toughness 10.

Think about it

>>49899315
>heavily shielded hostile environment suits
>sealed to withstand the corrosive insides of plasma reactors
>greatest weakness is poisoned weaponry
you didn't think this through

>>49898179
>The best thing about any potential sister release is it means all these fags will finally shut the fuck up or move to the next hipster army.
No, they'll just switch to bitching about how it doesn't fit their head canon.

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guys... did gw make age of sigmar just to make hero units more essential so they could sell more expensive kits?

>>49898992
>implying this sets aren't intended as cheap battle forces for space marines players

>>49898348
I didn't have any major problem assembling a pair of them.

>>49899340
>Implying you can't convert them
Bruh

>>49899085
Basically the same contents but with long waited miniatures instead of the dreadnought

>>49899338
Oh god the accuracy, it hurts. I didn't even consider this but now I'm dead certain you're right.

>>49898644
How is killing a leman russ with a single lascannon shot remotely comparable to killing a crisis suit with a single missile (which is very easy). Crisis suits are incredibly fragile. The first time they roll poorly for thrust the squad is gone.

>>49899388
You'd think that'd mean a better seller, but I've seen more than one person say the lack of non Legion specific marines are making them less likely to buy.

>>49899411
All the Marines are non-Legion specific except for the two characters.

>>49899428
Well guess they're going to be happy then.

As an Ork player this really doesn't concern me much.

>>49899428
that's a bit of a deal breaker

Custodes will probably make up for that and more, but I know I'm having a hard time justifying a box when I know I'd have to hawk the two characters off. Might just buy the bits I want on ebay.

>>49899085
BoP will likely sell less than Calth.

Custodes and Sisters are cool, but both Ahriman and Geigor are non-generic.

Plus, for traitor forces that means that the Custodes, Sisters, and both characters are useless.

I also hate how the plastic MkIII looks. However the plastic Tartaros is sex compared to FW's.

>>49899368
/aosg/ doesn't allow conversions, and they barely know what a kitbash even is

>>49899498
Bullshit, to both of those claims.

>>49899447
>playing only a single race
Honestly everyone, xenos included, should have a secondary Space Marine army for funsies, there are enough Chapters to interest everyone, anon. Rip-and-tear chapters, stealth chapters, gofast chapters, dakka chapters, lotsa robots chapters, in every flavor from romans to vikings to medieval knights and templar to emotionless cyborgs to death-worshipping edgelords covered in bones to operators operating operationally.

I've got a billion and one points worth of Tyranids going back to second ed but I still have two different small Space Marine forces on the side.

>>49899332
Ok, Ok

t8

Immune to poison

>>49899428
SoS and Custodes are Loyalist-specific, which is a big fucking deal

>>49899518
No, you faggot.

>>49899521
And anyone who doesn't want them will have ZERO trouble selling them off.

I'm not saying it won't make the box sell a little less than Calth but it's still going to go like hotcakes, and 40k players who weren't interested in Calth are going to get this just for th

>>49899340
>buying characters
I bought a squad of terminators and converted them into rune priests back when all power weapons ignored all armour saves, also I turned a grey hunters/blood claws box into 4 wolf priests, 4 rumne priests and spare WGBL/lone wolves

>>49899510
I hate Operator Marines.

Marines have Scout Companies to do that.

The Marines themselves are walking tanks with some of the best armor mankind can offer, as well as some of the best weaponry possible. They are their own cover. They can stand in the open and take it like men.

>>49899522
Terminator armour should literally be immune to small-arms fire

>>49899518
here's a better idea

just give terminators venerable dreadnought rules and stats

>>49899397
If they actually get an update prepare for endless bitching about every tiny fluff change, how they aren't the most powerful codex in the game, how they didn't get every special rule and option they should have got, about every aesthetic change and about how the new models can't be seamlessly mixed with old metals.

>>49899542
For the Custodes/Sisters*

>>49899556
And, of course, bitching about the new SoB players that don't know their special pain and dedication.

>>49898549
The Sister pricing scheme is pants-on-head retarded, the "Ally as Imperials" thing is extremely limiting, and the Custodes being both T5 and Eternal Warrior is pretty ridiculous.

>>49899550
What about -1 to s from shooting and CC?, -2 to blasts and templates

>>49899550
Except it """literally""" shouldn't because they """"""literally"""""" die in the fluff to dudes shooting them in the eye lenses and aliens peeling them apart with their bare hands like big walking bananas.

Nothing that is small enough for a person to wear rather than pilot via a cockpit should be utterly immune to small arms fire, not even Wraithguard are that tough and they don't even have a fucking vulnerable meat-person behind the armor to get plugged full of holes.

>>49898255
I also have firsthand experience with assembling one. My buddy asked me if I would assemble his Fire Raptor for 40$ and I said sure, so I ended up with an unassembled Fire Raptor.

2 weeks later, and several nights spent hunched over a pot of boiling water on the stove, with fucking calipers holding gigantic sections of fuselage, I STILL HAVEN'T FINISHED IT.

WHAT THE FUCK? I CAN GET THE FUSELAGE TO FIT TOGETHER, OR I CAN GET THE WINGS TO FIT TOGETHER, OR I CAN GET THE FUCKING BACK DOORS ON. IF I PUT THE INTERNAL DOORS ON, THEN THE TOP OF THE FUSELAGE NO LONGER FITS, AND NEITHER DO THE DOORS, OR THE WINGS. AND IF I DON'T HAVE THE INTERNALS, THEN FUCK THE BUBBLE TURRETS BECAUSE THEY DON'T FIT. FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU....

...

Okay, to say assembling a fire raptor is pure cancer is kind of an understatement. You literally have to just try and con some other poor bastard into assembling it for you for money, so you don't have to experience the sheer existential torment of trying to assemble it yourself.

>>49899556
Sounds a lot more like csm players but I get the idea, I don't know men as a dark eldar player I didn't give a fuck about the lore changes which was next to none existent beyond spookie night elves that raid your shit I was just happy my army got updated with sexy models that didn't look like cheap toys.

>>49899550
There was a time that they had a 2+ save in 2D6. That made them immune to lasguns and almost immune to bolters (1/36 chance of failing save).

Anti tank weapons still fucked them up.

>>49899662
It was 3+ on 2d6, and that was back when weapons had a negative modifier to armor saves instead of all-or-nothing AP values.

They definitely need a buff now, but "hurrr T8" is retardation I cannot even begin to address.

>>49899662
>2+ save in 2D6
3+ save on 2D6

khorne terminators and abaddon had a 2+ save on 2D6

>>49899662
Give them a rerollable armour save?

>>49899679
no, we can't touch the third edition stats ever again

Fuck your sensible suggestion. I bet you think storm bolters should get changed too.

Ive got BoP in hand

AMA

>>49899662
>>49899675
>>49899677
>>49899679
We could just give them a 1+ armour save. So that a roll of 1 still auto-fails, but AP2 no longer stops the armour save, instead you need AP1... Which comes from Meltas, and other noticeably ridiculous anti-armour weapons.

>>49899687
>9-shot assault cannons, 8-shot stormbolters, lascannons meant something, somewhere, was gonna die
nah, lets keep the trait of teleporting MCs and free transports

>>49899549

The problem is that power creep has made it so a T4 3+ is considered squishy.

>>49898348
>>49899634
Just do it better :^)
I've assembled a Dreadclaw and it was a nightmare so I feel your pain, but I'm still considering a Storm Eagle because it's pure sex both in model and rules

>>49899695
which nostril do you pick first

>>49899695
Thousand Sons or Ahriman rules? So far everything released is on the Imperials.

>>49899725
Nothing in the box but rules for the board game

>>49899696
FUCK no, Terminator armour should not be a fucking 2+ invulnerable against Rending Claws and Tyranid MCs in close combat.

Jesus christ you fanboys are retarded.

>>49899744
Genestealers got their buff after waiting fifteen years.

Terminators are next.

>>49899744
>Shitty tyranid nails
>Penetrating the greatest armour created by man over 40 thousand fucking years of technological advancement

>>49899760
And Terminators have always had their asses handed to them by Genestealers in close combat since even before 15 years ago. Terminator Armour as a concept was first invented for space hulk, which is a game best described as "shoot the 'stealers before they get into melee range or you're fucking dead kiddo, nothing personnel".

And even with the buff, genestealers are still weaker than they used to be, so I don't want to hear this horseshit about making Terminators stronger than they've ever been.

>>49899765
>describing Tyranid "nails" as shitty
>race incomprehensibly older and more adept at bioengineering than humanity
>literally have always BTFO humanitys armour in every single era and instance of the fluff

You, sir, are a dumb faggot, a troll, or both.

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>>49899789
Is that why their premier anti-tank cannon is ap4? :^)

>>49899781
>And Terminators have always had their asses handed to them by Genestealers in close combat since even before 15 years ago.
And now Genestealers largely ignore weapons fire and get into combat without having to storm through overwatch.

So here's my proposal. Terminators overwatch at full BS. BS/WS 5. Also their storm bolters get upped to salvo 2/4. The Assault cannon can opt to put out eight shots, but gain Gets Hot if they do so.

>>49899789
>taking the bait
>you, sir
yeah nah fuck off

>>49898372
I initially read that as Crud going an hero; Carnac is whatevs, but I'd watch a Faces of Death with Cruddace killing himself on a loop for days on end.

Fuck you, Cruddace, you absolute shitgoblin toolbag waste of air.

So whats going on with the made to order stuff? are they going to make a batch of new models now that the Imperial Guard stuff is gone?

Kill Team Detachment
>65pts Cultists, 8x Autogun, Shotgun, 1x Heavy Stubber.
>135pts Raptors, Plasma Gun, Meltagun, Combi-plasma, Melta-Bombs
Raptor Champion is leader (highest Ld)
Heavy Stubber cultist is weapon specialist, taking reaping volley
One CCW raptor is a Combat specialist, taking Killer Instinct
Another CCW raptor is a Guerilla Specialist, taking Hit and Run

200 points, 15 models

is it a shit list?

>>49899819
We're talking about Rending Claws, not Crudguns.

>>49899820
All of these proposals are more reasonable than a 1+ save, although all of them taken in combination would be too much with the current Overwatch/Salvo rules.

I actually like the Assault Cannon one, though.

>>49899821
>has no response
After you, dickweed. Enjoy your shit Terminators.

>>49899819
its also S10 and so better at punching through a landraider than a lascannon.

>>49899858
>although all of them taken in combination would be too much with the current Overwatch/Salvo rules.
would they really, though? It just means people won't charge terminators and instead riddle them with bullets like they always do.

re-rolled 2+/5++ saves would be a thing I'd also want to see, but that would require a marked point increase

>>49899820
WS/BS 5 as stated, Overwatch at BS 2, Stormbolters are Salvo 2/3, Assault Cannon as you stated.

Add re-rollable armour saves against weapons with a Strength less than 5.

I would accept this.

>>49899889
>Add re-rollable armour saves against weapons with a Strength less than 5.
Also this rule has no effect on Wounds caused "automatically" or which otherwise have no Strength value.

>>49899889
I wonder, are there any AP2 weapons with a strength under 5? Outside of some melee attacks I can't think of any.

>>49899871
>would they really, though?
yeah overwatch at bs5 with 4 shot nolters would be to much.
going WS/BS 5 and the 4 shot stormbolter i can get behind and would be enough to make regular terminators viable again.

I've also liked the idea of just making all terminators W2 thats been floated a few times.

>>49899905

How does this affect poison? Deldar don't need another kick in the balls.

>>49899921
A lot of psychic shit

>>49899510
>playing the most bland faction
>ever

>>49899921

Resending

>>49899957
Rending

Fuck off phone.

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So I picked up some Tau and just went with what looked cool, so I got an unbound army of a riptide, 3 crises battle suits, a ghostkeel, and 10 pathfinders. Is this cheesy at all? I just liked how they looked and wanted to get back into warhammer.

>>49899921
Re-rollable armour saves wouldn't come into effect against AP 2 at all since you don't get a save in the first place.

It would, however, make them extremely hard to bring down with massed Lasguns/Bolters/Flamers, etc.

>>49899968
This is bait.

Have a (You).

>>49899968
no fire warriors?

>>49899929
Does poison have no S value? If so, it wouldn't trigger the re-roll as per the rules suggested >>49899905

>>49899992

Most do, and in Deldar's case, it has S1. However, poison still automatically wounds.

>>49899992
>>49899929
Deldar have lances and AP 2 melee, they don't need to be able to poison Termies to death.

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>>49899985
why is this bait?
>>49899987
nah I just went with whatever I thought looked cool. I used to play 5th edition Orks just because they had a cool style.

Or we could crank the game back down so infantry actually matter if they don't come covered in ap2 or have a billion saves.

>>49899968
Sorry to tell you but Tau's not a very competitive army. 40k is all about melee and mass troops and Tau cant compete with their large single model suit and mechs.

>>49899996
It doesn't Wound automatically, just on a set value.

>>49900029
desu I don't really care how good they are. As I said in the post above I used to play orks, which aren't very good.

>>49900017
>Filename
Kek.

I misread that as 3 Riptides and so assumed bait.

Tau are pretty Gundam/line-y, iirc.
Just know I hate the Tau for their fluff is terrible and anyone who likes it are fools. Bring back the small xenos empires banded together into one large coalition. Plz.

>>49900021
This tbqdesu fampai.

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>>49900051
I would have just gone back to playing orks if they hadn't gotten such a shite update. I sold my old ork army I while ago so I thought to try something else.

>>49900058
Meh, Tau are overpowered second only to Eldar and formation cheesing SM.

General advice I've seen:
Never bring more than one Riptide
Less suits is best.
Accept that you're overpowered.
Everyone hates you because: you're playing Tau/Tau fluff is bad/The Tau don't fit in the setting as they are now.
The fluff is bull even for 40k standards.
The bigger suits really shouldn't be MCs and GMCs.
The non-suits are really cool models.
Your non-suit options are actually pretty good, but will always be outclassed by the suits because GW wants your money.

I wish the tau were humans. They'd be so much better as a rebel human empire using all the same fluff.

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>>49900101
tbqh I probably wouldn't have gone with Tau if it wasn't for how the suits look, especially the coldstar suit for the commander. Also other than maybe getting some fire warriors and a commander in coldstar battle suit I don't really plan on getting much more, maybe a broadside depending.

>>49900101
>>49900135
>tfw my first 40k moedls are on the way
>firewarriors + hammerhead + get started set later
>dont even really like the new suits but the old broadsides were awesome

am I gonna get shit on for choosing Tau? I just like the models

Won first game with my Genestealer Cult last night.

The Return to the Shadows to return 1D6 models is silly powerful. Especially when I did it to a decimated unit of Aberrants who came back full strength.

Cult Ambush is a mixed bag because you're not always going to get that 6 (arrival charge)

My Neophytes all withdrew and came back to sit on objectives on the last turn.

Opponent got ... upset when I used "unquestioning loyalty" in a challenge, and tore his guy apart and took no damage.

>>49900165
I really like the look of the medium battlesuits like the coldstar and broadside. Absolutely hate the look of the stormsurge.

>>49900165
also holy shit I did not realize how small these models are! how the hell do you guys paint them so well?

>>49899854
does nobody list build for kill team?

>>49900174
Yeah the stormsurge is fugly

Love the tanks/fliers, they remind me of covenant vehicles

>>49899905
>>49899858
>>49899820
Give them rerollable saves (+/++) vs shooting attacks only and give that Hail of Fire rule to stormbolters.

Very resistant to ranged fire while still being tough in melee but vulnerable to elite melee units. But the enemy has to run through a more intensive overwatch.

Do you guys base your flyers? I got around to finishing the paint job on my Stormtalon and I can't decide whether or not to leave the base black or not.

>>49900286
I am new to the hobby, do people expect you to base your models?

>>49900205
Give it a few days, niggers just jerking off to BoP.

>>49900291
I mean, why wouldn't you? Based models look loads better.

>>49900298
I just don't really care about basing them desu

>>49900298

>want to base well
>can only glue some flock

Kill me

>>49900171
>Opponent got ... upset when I used "unquestioning loyalty" in a challenge, and tore his guy apart and took no damage.
lol, please elaborate

>>49893811
Nobz are S4 tho?

>>49900367
Good bases done EZ:

>Get vallejo texture paste
>Spread it on with a plastic knife
>Allow 24 hrs to dry
>Paint it (color), wash agrax earthshade, drybrush (lighter color)

And you're done.

>Sisters of Silence have real shadow in the warp that actually makes psykers unable to cast stuff
>Tyranids don't anymore thanks to 7th edition

>Sisters of Silence get free initiative 5 AP2 weapons
>in an edition where AP2 at good initiative is supposed to be hard to get

>Sisters of Silence are an explicitly 30k unit
>they are playable in 40k too

How long before every single Imperium army that doesn't run psykers, takes a meme squad of these bitches?

>>49900406
Crisis Suits are S5.

How do we fix Nobz?

>>49897851
I've been running my CSM as counts-as C:SM for years now. Only way to win games.

>>49899854
Looks nice and everything but watch out for waac faggots and tau players

>>49900439

How long does that texture paste last?

>>49900488
Not sure what you mean. It's acrylic resin and grit mixed together.

>>49900441
>complaining about super elite armie that's second only to fucking custodes to easily spawn monster from space
This is what you get for choosing a non sapient species, also Tyranids aren't a flipping race of nulls, they're psychic dependant

How do we fix jump infantry? There is pretty much no reason to ever take assault marines when bikes exist, unless you are desperate for that deep strike

maybe:
>Jump Packs confer relentless
>Jump Packs can be used on both the movement and assault phases
>Jump infantry can jink, but if jinking can only fire snap shots and do disordered charges
>still can't turbo boost
>still no +1T

I have a question about formations and contingents:
How does running a formation detachment for Tau differ from using the Hunter Contingent and/or Dawn Blade contingent?
Also
Can FE use any Tau models like the riptide variants and the supremacy armour or any other FW stuff for that matter?
Are any of the GW tau flyers usable, cos i'm thinking about picking up the new barracuda, any opinions? (I already have 2 remoras)

>>49900505
Nerf bikes instead.

>>49900500
Yeah speaking as a Tyranid player SitW should not be as powerful as the Psychic Abomination rule Sisters and Culexus have.

However, it should be a DAMN SIGHT better than the useless garbage it is right now. After those two units, Tyranids should be the most anti-psyker equipped faction in the game. SitW should bend psyker armies over and fuck them the same way Tau Overwatch bends over melee armies.

>>49900171

I ran GSC tonight too, tested them out. It was brutal.

The new Genestealers are very powerful, getting 2+ cover saves the first turn and close infiltration distance is exactly what they need. I also rolled invisibility for my Patriarch, making his squad even more stupidly hard to kill.

Infiltrating cultists in Chimeras/Goliaths and unleashing flamers + staff of the subterran master is devastating.

I made a couple lucky night fighting saves to protect my cult's tank and one of their Chimeras, and blew up a Malcador with some random lucky shots from my Sentinels.

The new Genestealer Cult book is very strong, as well as fluffy. I enjoy it simply for getting to play a low-tech guerilla army with improvised weapons and sneaky tactics, but it can do more than just that. Genestealers backed up by heavy tanks and lascannon sentinels are no laughing matter. I haven't even tried the acolyte hybrids yet but just looking at the rules I can tell they'll be nasty.

>>49900517
yeah it kind of occurred to me after writing that, even if you gave all three of those to jump infantry, assault marines would still be worse than bikers

>larger min squad size
>no option to become troops (that comes to mind)
>no turbo boost
>no +1T
>no twin linked bolter
>can deep strike though? no charge out of deep strike and few ranged options...

>>49900494

How many bases can I do up with it?

As a space marine player how do you counter orks with multiple wounds and AP2 power claws when they're pitted against terminators?

I don't even feel like investing in terminators if it means their save is just about disregarded and since they only have one wound I can't imagine them going toe-to-toe with AP2 orks.

I guess I'm trying to look for a ranged unit that could destroy orks before they make their charge, or something that tears apart or ignores the wound mechanic.

I'm a new player and an even newer grey knights player

>>49900567

Thunder hammers for instant death fampai

>>49900567
>As a space marine player how do you counter orks

delete this before it's too late

>>49900563
They come in 200 ml pots. You could easily do up an entire army with one.

>>49900550
Bikes should be heavily restricted by terrain so jump troops ability to circumvent it has a purpose.

>>49900567
Basically any ranged unit will destroy nobz without much trouble.

>>49900577
>wanting to strike at the same time as klaws
For what purpose?

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>>49900505

>relentless jump packs
>relentless scourges with dark lances

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>>49900546
>getting 2+ cover save turn 1
now that would just be a darn shame

>>49900441
At least we don't have to worry about Drop Pods deploying a three foot long "fuck your psykers" bubble into your deployment zone on turn one.

Depending on how widespread they end up being, my Tzeentch Daemons may need to start bringing Soulgrinders more often.
>>49897851
I've switched to solely playing my Daemons. Hoping the Thousand Sons update is due out sooner rather than later.

Be careful posting about CSM on /tg/. Loyalists will aggressively shitpost about how CSM should always be shit and how any proposed CSM fix is massively overpowered and/or should actually be given to loyalists. Orkfags see shitposting about how their army is weaker than ours as the only form of competition that they can win (>>49897879). Dark Eldar and Tyranids like to pretend that they're in a worse place than CSM , and thus try to join in on the orkfag "there can be only one whiny fanbase" shit (>>49898015).

And, of course, there's always a steady stream of morons that don't play the codex but are chockful of useless commentary (>>49897905).
.

>>49900596

The guy brought armor, not artillery.

>>49900591
I would love to have more access in my codex to relentless

>>49900524
>rock-paper-scissors at the army level is good game design
You know, as bad as GW is, they're better than at least half the morons posting on /tg/.

>>49900577
My champions in my paladin squad and purifier squad use the hammers, so I guess I'm on the right track? I don't know how many power claws he invested in so

>>49900578
Well ill just call them an ass for looking down on me because I wasn't lying when I said I was new to the game

>>49900586
Do you mean potshots from combibolters or something more akin to a sniper unit or a lascannon? Or I guess I should phrase the question as what's the most effective ranged unit I can implement right now to support my frontline?

>>49900612
guessing he also didn't have massed infantry ?
officer orders could have been real effective there to

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>>49900578
I laughed so fucking hard.

>>49900655
Unless the nobz have mega armor, anything with a psycannon will murder nobz easily.

>>49898549
How the fuck are you supposed to field these? they are both elites so you cant make an allied detachment, and they arent part of the inquisition
this ,makes no sense

>>49900656

My infiltrators killed his officers the first turn with flamers + the staff.

But yeah, blasts with Ignores Cover are a pain in the ass for Genestealers to deal with, good thing we have tanks.

At least it can be said that Genestealers being a thing at tournaments will make melee units and flamers serve a purpose again.

>>49900685
It's almost like there must be a Detachment in the complete rules.

As an ork player how do you counter space marines with multiple saves and AP2 power fists when they're pitted against meganobz?

I don't even feel like investing in meganobz if it means their save is just about disregarded and since they only have one save I can't imagine them going toe-to-toe with AP2 space marines.

I guess I'm trying to look for a ranged unit that could destroy space marines before they make their charge, or something that tears apart or ignores the wound mechanic.

I'm a new player and an even newer orks player

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>>49900701
>in the complete rules
But those are rules Games Workshop posted specifically to tell you how to run them in 40k. Why would they post an "incomplete" version?

It's almost like you didn't think your post through.

>>49900733
because literally every other boxed game has had detachments?

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>>49898549
>full flamer SoS squad
>flame units with psykers in
>get precision shots
>on flamers

>>49900726
This is the thing about orks.

They can never go "toe-to-toe" with their "equivalents"

Orks are bullys. you have to use something big and strong to pick on something weaker. Meganobz go after tanks and any infantry worse than it in fighting. Same for Nobz.

Anything with a 2+ or that is mildly competent in combat, shoot it to death with dakkajets, mek gunz or lootas.

Never try to put meganobz into terminators or nobz into vanguard vets

>>49900733
They're a preview, not the full released rules. They don't release the full rules before the models are even available to buy in stores.

>>49900726

Throw enough dakka and choppa at the problem. Init 2 is slow but it's still faster than the guy with the power fist and 2+ saves fail 1/6 times. 2+ saves are generally better dealt with in melee by overwhelming number of attacks rather than AP2 weapons unless you are one of a very rare number of units that get on init AP2.

I need some help with coming up a name for a small group of plague marines that employ themselves as mercenaries to other warbands. Does anyone have some good ideas?

>>49900759
B@C didn't
you know, the game that this is a spritual squeal to

>>49900770
>or nobz into vanguard vets
or nobz into basic tacticals

maybe beat up on GEQs with Nobz?

>>49900797
That didn't release units belonging to new Factions, just new units for existing Factions.

The complete rules for which were found in a supplement book.

Almost like there must be a supplement coming out sometime soon with new rules for recently released and soon-to-be-released models such as Magnus the Daemon Primarch.

Who would have thought.

>>49900774
>They're a preview, not the full released rules. They don't release the full rules before the models are even available to buy in stores.
Do you have the slightest evidence for this claims?
Why would they give incomplete rules for their miniatures?

>>49900797
I guess that's true, but it also didn't really have anything too exotic

The deathwatchs sure had formations for everything though.

>>49900800
Nobz are fantastic for fighting anything that isnt good in combat

Light vehicles, jetbikes, Shooty tyranid MCs (And carnifexes)

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Which Specialists would you suggest for this Killteam list?

+++ VDV Firewind (Kill Team Detachment) (200pts) +++

+ Elites (200pts) +

XV8 Crisis Battlesuits (200pts)
····Rules: Supporting Fire, Very Bulky
····Crisis Shas'ui (32pts) [2x Flamer (10pts)]
····Crisis Shas'ui (32pts) [2x Flamer (10pts)]
····Crisis Shas'ui (52pts) [2x Cyclic Ion Blaster (30pts)]
····Crisis Shas'ui (47pts) [Airbursting Fragmentation Projector (15pts), Burst Cannon (10pts)]
····Crisis Shas'ui (37pts) [Burst Cannon (10pts), Flamer (5pts)]


········Airbursting Fragmentation Projector: 18"|S4|AP5|Assault 1, Barrage, Ignores Cover, Large Blast
········Burst Cannon: 18"|S5|AP:5|Assault 4
········Cyclic Ion Blaster (std): 18"|S7|AP:4|Assault 3
·············Cyclic Ion Blaster (ovrchrg): 18"|S8|AP:4|Heavy 1, Blast, Gets hot!
········Flamer: Template|S4|AP:5|Assault 1

>>49900809
I think this guys has the right of it

>magnus the red is going to be just a footnote in the back of the upcoming space wolves pt2 book hinted at from a while go

>>49900816
You mean like the incomplete rules they gave for the Ghosar Quintus Broodkin from the Deathwatch: Overkill boxed set before they released Genestealer Cults?

>>49899679
>>49899687
>sensible suggestion
They're not shit because a 2+ isn't good enough, they're shit because everyone and their grandmother is ap2 these days.

>oh look at this giant, elite tau battle suit! This looks like a job for an elite team of terminators!
It's shooting is ap2
>but what if I get in to mele-
ap2
>big daemon from beyond the vail of reality! A job for grey knight terminators
ap2, with ap2 spells and a randomly rolled for shooting attack... That's ap2
>other space marines? These guys on bikes?
they've all got ap2 grav-guns
>COME ON, THESE BASIC ELDAR INFANTRY THEN?!
ap2
>GUARD INFANTRY?
ap-
>oh finally! Now I c-
You see that psyker with them? The one casting misfortune?
ap2

>>49900823
they get shot up really easily though, so I would say

>Nobz are fantastic for fighting anything that doesn't fight back, or that wouldn't waste fire on nobz, like light vehicles, scatbikes, etc

>>49899696
That would only be fair if you gave EVERY faction in the game melta guns.

>Tyranid warriors have accepted Calgary as their spiritual liege and picked up multi-meltas

>>49900844
Fair point, I wonder how they'll change when gw releases their codex
>fnp 4+
>immunity to grav weaponry

>>49900809
They also didn't post rules for a 40k Catapractii terminator captain, saying "these are the rules for how to run a catapractii captain in 40k," and then wait months until AoD to add the one line "Model replaces a Captain" to explain how to actually run it.

It just doesn't make sense, plain and simple. If it's just a teaser, it should be explained as such. Not "Here's how you run them in 40k - not! :^)"

>>49900857
just play hive fleet ultra

>They've consumed so much space marine biomass they are now compelled to follow the Codex Astartes

>>49900845
Fucking this

>>49900845
remove grav, tone down psykers (N OT make them useless like they were before), remove tau, play at smaller point levels

Without grav and D weapons this would be the most balanced edition to date

>>49900922
No it really wouldn't.

>>49900922
>Skyhammer Annihilation Force
>Free Transports
>Free Wargear
>Scatter Bikes
>Canoptek Harvest

>>49900832
tau/10 would decline games

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>>49900922
>eldar scat bikes
>tau marekerlights
>free traansports

then

>CSM being SM-1
>everything orks
>90% of the nid dex

oh, how you jest, what a hoot

>>49900914
>remove tau
We don't need to get that far, just change the fucking riptide gun to ap3 like every other ion weapon in the damm codex and remove the GC unit shit

Rules for Custodes and Sisters of Silence out yet?

>>49900948
In this very thread no less

>>49900948
>>49898549

>>49900941
>CSM being SM-1
>being mad about an established fact
Truly splitting csm and chaos daemons was a mistake

>>49900000
test

>>49900845
What about this?
>>49900245
Rerollable even on a 5++ is still pretty decent and rerollable 2+ would help significantly against massed fire.

>>49900942
removing tau players wouldn't be so bad

but the real problem with tau is the amount of ignores cover combined with the rules that were designed to move expensive kits.

Somehow tau also became really weeb friendly too, and I'm not sure why or how. Didn't the old tau have a lot of native american influences?

>>49900245
>Hail of Fire rule to stormbolters.
what about combibolters?

>>49900922
t. Clueless newfag who started playing after the Dawn of War video games came out.

>>49900978
Tau were always pretty weeb, but they were a bit more samurai than gundam.

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>The staff of the subterran master has no melee profile
>mfw It costs 20 pts and a power weapon
I still like it though, but still

>>49900978
>Didn't the old tau have a lot of native american influences?
That's Kroot, sort of. Tau have always been weeaboo mecha garbage, it's just gotten worse and more pronounced as the worse writers (Ward, Cruddace, etc.) have taken over.

>>49900961
>not just running that Chaos Space Marine tourney list
>no, not the Chaos Space Marines list
>the Chaos Space Marine list
>just one marine

>>49900978
They should be take back to -1 to cover saves instead of flat out removes cover, I mean fucking space marines and skitarii have -1 to cover saves instead of ignore cover, would you imagine the butthurtness that would be around here if instead of -1 they get ignore cover for their devastators or ignore cover plasma cavaliers?

>>49900999
You can replace your Autopistol with it and keep the Force Weapon, you just lose the bonus attack for two CCWs.

>>49901008
what about their bonding knives, ritual scarring, feathers, braids, and all that?

>>49900988
Maybe.
You kind of already get that with the twinlinked though.

Most terminator fighting is done via deep strike or out of a land raider so the extra shot at 24 rarely is much of a benefit compared to combi-bolters.

>>49901011
What?

>>49900953
>>49900955
Oh, neat, thanks. Do we have any word on when they'll be added to 30k? I thought they were coming to HH before coming to us.

Also, how fluffy is it to have SoS and Custodians in a 40k army? I thought they were all gone/in the palace fighting shit in the webway

>>49900942
And change the Riptide to a Walker.

And make Markerlights give -1 cover save per marker spent.

And strip away half the Formations which have retarded hyper-dicking OP special rules.

>>49901037
Basically the only way to be good with CSM is to not run any of the actual marines

>>49901022
for terminators sure, but the difference between the two weapons becomes really clear if you give them to something without terminator armor

>>49901037
it had a single sorcerer, some cultists, maybe some spawn, and a ton of allied demons

>>49901021
>braids
>not an homage to the traditional qu

>>49901019
I'm a fucking idiot...

>>49900961
I honestly feel bad for CSM players, at least they got access to the loyalist's psychic powers in traitors hate.

That's one thing they can at least say that loyalists don't have better than them.

>>49900976
Sounds good.

I also like the idea of ws5/bs5 so they really do seem more elite and then just making them a little bit cheaper.

>>49901021
>feathers
That's a kroot thing, I don't recall any Tau with decorative feathers.

>braids
The sideknot braids are really more of a samurai-esque thing.

>bonding knives, ritual scarring
Not really Native American.

>>49901040
According to the two tiny bits of fluff in their new rules, the Sisters are spread thin all across the Imperium. Realistically, it'd about as likely to encounter them as it is to encounter a given Company of a given Space Marine Chapter. So, considering the volume of first founding chapters in 40k battles, they are perfectly appropriate.

Custodes, however, still probably aren't leaving the Palace unless Fenris 2: Redder, Meaner, Cyclopeaner Than Ever Before happens to have them present for some reason.