Is it possible to be a diehard fascist and still Lawful Good?

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>>49894605
Is it possible not to be?

Yes. Facism is just a model of government, not an ideology.

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>>49894631
Wrong. Fascism is a comprehensive world view based on the Natural order of things. Fascist governments are often different in certain policies but always self described as fascist. That is because they adhere to those principals.

For more information on Fascism by fascists who studie fascism opposed to those who aren't and don't visit: iron march.org

>>49894764
>Natural with capital N
hahah damn, people like you really exist

>>49894605

Being Lawful anything required you to be fashy

>>49894605
There is nothing inherently evil in the theory of fascism.

>>49894915
>There is nothing inherently evil in the theory of fascism.
There is nothing inherently evil in the theory of anything, rather, it is the pratical ramifications that end up evil.

WHAT the FUCK is wrong with you people!?

>>49895313
>>>/reddit/ is that way

>>49894605
No. Fascism is at best LN in theory, but every implementation has been some form of LE.

It is at its core a form of tyranny, which is the explicit domain of evil alignments.

>>49894605
Yes.

Moradin could be spun as Fascist.

>>49894605
I don't see why not.

>>49895351
>Tyranny
>Inherently bad
Locke pls

>>49895527

I'd probably use a different word. Tyranny is implied negative. Single-ruler systems don't have to have a horrible human at the head. There are many instances of benevolent monarchs who were beloved by their people and promoted positive change. I don't see why fascists couldn't be similar.

>>49895313
We have different opinions that we want to discuss.

>>49895671
But anon, that 'idea' doesn't fit the Narrative.

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>>49895527
>>49895671
tyranny is evil because it is irritating to live under AND it is less efficient than freedom. thus it is bad.

a benevolent dictator is a hand off dictator and thus de facto not a dictator.

>>49895671
>>49895699
>I don't see why fascists couldn't be similar.
Facism implies killing and forcibly deporting relatively innocent people to benefit a percieved in group.

>Is it possible to be a diehard fascist and still Lawful Good?

Of course. Is lawful good not oppressive as fascism itself?

>>49895351
>>>/r/cuckoldcommunity

>>49895765
Don't you have pictures of hitler to go jerk off to, heinreich?

>>49895743

That's a nice strawman anon.

>more far right propaganda threads
Am I going to have to migrate boards again? This is why I left /x/.

>>49895797
Is it a strawman when pretty much every self proclaimed facist community practically creams itself at the idea of ethnic strife and idolizes the crusades?

>>49895805

You'll be back.

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>mfw fascism is the only way to Lawful Good without being a hypocrite
>mfw all the triggered commie-lite SJWs in this thread

>>49895743
>forcibly deporting

Build wall, Pablo.

If the people running the show are good people then it literally doesn't matter what form of government you have. Thinking you know what's best for everyone isn't evil if you actually do know what's best for everyone.

>>49895728

Entirely wrong. Democracy, for one, is intentionally inefficient. Mussolini made the trains run on time. Hitler turned a broken nation into a superpower (and then wasted it invading lands full of dirty Slavs).

>>49895791

Hitler was the worst thing ever to happen to true ethno-nationalists. Controlled opposition.

>>49895846
Facism is literally Lawful Evil so far up it's own ass that it thinks it's Lawful Good.

You have a ridiculously warped perception of the world if you think everything left of fucking FASCISM is Social Justice/Communist tier.

>>49894605
>what is the Imperium of Man

>>49895834

The Crusaders did nothing wrong. The Holy Land belongs to Christ's followers.

>>49895892
>Hitler was the worst thing ever to happen to true ethno-nationalists. Controlled opposition.
Why. That's the logical conclusion to your ideology. Genocide.

>>49895897
>literally

It's gonna take some evidence that didn't come from your pozzed-up leftie asshole to support that claim, fuccboi.

>>49895904
Evil?

>>49895932
>>not buying into the cultural marxist narrative is propaganda
You do know that propaganda can oppose other bits of propaganda, right?

>>49895879
wrong, the german economy was completely dependent of pillage. it was not sustainable.

centrally planned economies are less efficient than decentralized ones because some bureaucrat in the capital can never have enoughg information about the market in each industry.

this is economics 101 dude. seriously read some milton freedman and hyak

>>49895910

Because he tarred the brand for decades? Because he was himself part jewish? Because he murdered an unacceptable number of Brits, French, and various forms of Slav? Because he preferred Islam to Christianity? Pick one, any is more than sufficient.

>>49895945
Given the fact that anything that isn't rabid genocidal hate is probably leftist cultural Marxism to you, I doubt I could.

>>49895972
> Because he murdered an unacceptable number of Brits, French, and various forms of Slav? Because he preferred Islam to Christianity?
So a logical conclusion to supporting an Ethno state?

>>49895972
>Because he preferred Islam to Christianity?
That's retarded.

>>49895958

Don't shift the goalposts, buddy. Your propaganda, aimed at causing infected nations to self-destruct, is pure poison and should be purged.

At its core, Fascism is all about putting the state above the individual- arguably good. There has never been an example of a "good" fascism in history or fiction as far as I know. All anyone can recall is the Nazis or the Italian fascists which sours people's view on the subject. Theoretically, there could be a lawful good fascists state but it would need to be populated with lawful good people who agree that everyone should be like them or else there would be a Rebellion in less than a week.
In other words, you can have a lawful good fascists but they would be an idealistic fool.

Fascism doesn't equal nazis or even a dictatorship.

You could have a fascist democracy/republic assuming everyone believed in a strong central government (rather than local councils) and nationalism. It doesn't even have to be right wing nationalism, it could similar to American nationalism in ww1.

>>49896021
The roman republic was a fascist state.

>>49896019
>YOUR NOT BUYING INTO MY BRAND OF BULLSHIT SO YOU SHOULD EAT A BULLET
Consider gas, faggot.

>>49895978

Nice strawman.

>>49895960
>Friedman and Hayek

hahahahahha haha

But you're right anon, Germany ' s economy was entirely based on plunder and war - notice when the German war machine started to stall, the economy turned to shit again, since it didn't have that constant injection of new land and plunder to prop it up

Also Mussolini didn't make the trains run on time and for all of fascism's bluster about controlling your national destiny it sure is ironic that Italy became little more than a German client state in WW2. But then again weak degenerates never let facts or contradictions get in the way of their bootlicking.

>>49896023
> It doesn't even have to be right wing nationalism
It literally does.

>>49895957
>>>reddit

>>49896023
Why the fuck would you want a republic for a Fascist state? That doesn't make any sense, the people will not pick those who are good for the state, they'll pick people who will put individual needs ahead of the state.

>>49896053
Yeah, a perfect rebuttal to someone bitching about casual use of the word literally on an image board.

>>49896021
But how is it any different from a lawful good kingdom, which is a staple government in fantasy?

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>>49895957

>>49896044
They were anything but good.

>>49896008

I'm pretty sure posting Hitler quotes on /tg/ would earn me a swift ban since we share mods with /co/, but googling Hitler Islam Christianity should provide you with the relevant quote. He considered Christianity too meek, too weak, and Islam to be more robust and masculine, likely due to the complexes he acquired as a result of a wound to the genitals taken in WWI and a bad relationship with his father.

Hitler was a total cuck.

>>49894605
Don't ask /tg/ about politics. They're all blue-pilled niggers.

>>49896005

You're going to need to provide some evidence on how that's a "logical conclusion" and not a result of Hitler's own failings. As I said, he was the worst thing ever to happen to ethnofascism.

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>le my morals are based on who won some war 70+ years ago

Black/White morality and Good/Evil are always arbitrary.

>>49896100
Hitler wasn't a fascist. Hitler was a Natsoc faggot.
Nazism =/= fascism.
Franco, Franco on the other hand was a fascist, and he was probably in all objective terms, a good person who didn't want to see priests getting slaughtered and wanted to nip communism in the bud.

>>49896100

His haircut and mustache are numale as fuck.

>>49896087
Fascism is a specific political ideology, much like conservatism, liberalism, socialism, etc. It is a set of beliefs and principles, political philosophy if you will. Dictatorship is a system of rule; much like an oligarchy, democracy, monarchy, etc.

>>49896084

You still haven't provided any evidence of your claims, preferring instead to flounce around in your own verbal feculence. Can I take it to mean that you have absolutely no evidence to support your key point that fascism leads inevitably to Hitler, and that it's simply a line that sounded cleverer in your head than it does in text, cuccboi?

>>49896125
>hey these filthy niggers aren't OUR type of white
>lets kill them and take their shit, they're subhuman filthy anyway.
And Islam is the same shit, just replace nigger and subhuman with infidel.

>>49896087

Because blood rulership is romanticized and rulership by military might is demonized. Literally "muh feels".

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>>49896172
>if you aren't a facist that must mean you're a cuckold
Can you please explain this mindset to me? It's truly fucking fascinating how you view the world.

>>49896172
Anon, Hitler is a bad example for fascism, Franco and Salazar are better fascists.

>>49896182

Trying to sound like you want to fit in on /pol/ isn't an argument either. It would be entirely possible to simply keep undesirable tribes out, say with a large wall or extremely strict habitation laws. What you're describing is an inherent result of Evil rulers, not the philosophy itself.

Islam has constant expansion as a core tenet, Mohammed literally orders them to take over the world by the sword. The problems with Islam stem entirely from their founder being of what we would consider Evil alignment.

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fascism is the embodiment of lawful good

>>49894605
How did this lawful good person come across 19th century philosophy?

>>49894605
Hmm... Brazilian Integralists?

Or true believers who aren't running things?

>>49896212

It's not that you're a cuck because you're not a fascist, it's that I can observe you being a cuck in how you structure your posts and how you argue, up to and including trying to hide behind every one of the morally upstanding people that could disagree with fascism to mitigate your own personal and inherent cuck-ness. While we're on the subject of things we find fascinating, it's really delightful how you manage to be both so downright smug and so utterly gormless all at once.

>>49896234

This.

>>49896270
And it's amazing how you manage to be a pretentious fuck ass and shit eater too.

Do you have nice bib with "proud shitlord" on it?

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>>49894605

>>49896293
Why do you support communism? Also why do you condone Islam?

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>>49896293
>using shitlord as an insult unironically

You have to go back.

>>49896312
Where did I support communism or condone Islam, fuck monkey?

>>49896263
If lawful good persons are only allowed to know about 11th century philosophy, there simply aren't going to be any lawful good persons

>>49895879
>Hitler turned a broken nation into a superpower (and then wasted it invading lands full of dirty Slavs).
Wrong. German economic recovery was already happening in the Weimar republic, and Hitler made it less efficient by removing the red tape which simple led to massive corruption, and the whole invasion of slavic land happened because Germany literally had run out of money to pay its own dept, and invaded other countries to loot their gold reserves or, in the case of the URSS, to obtain key raw resources that it did not possess and wasn't willing to pay for they.
>>49896125
>You're going to need to provide some evidence on how that's a "logical conclusion" and not a result of Hitler's own failings. As I said, he was the worst thing ever to happen to ethnofascism.
Not him, but Hitler admiration for Islam tied heavily with the fascist notion that the State/Nation should never be "subjugated", economically or politically by foreign interest and should always take the resources it needs, even if through expansion ie autarky, something that lead to the admiration of the expansionist elements of Islam.
>>49896234
>Anon, Hitler is a bad example for fascism, Franco and Salazar are better fascists.
Franco wasn't a fascist, just a reactionary. Hell, to whole point of the Blue Division was to get rid of the more extremist elements of his regime.

>>49896316
>using shitlord as an insult unironically
I wasn't using it as an insault.

Many pro fascist people(such as yourself) claim to be "proud shitlords" I was using some of that hot fascy lingo you love so much.

>>49896101

The vocal minority of cocky SJWs who have a mod in the pocket do not represent the majority of us good, Emperor-fearing citizens.

>>49896334
And a couple of vocal neo-nazis who spam shitty 40k memes don't speak for the majority of /tg/ either.

>>49894605
Yes. They are called SJWs and their home plane is Tumblr.

>>49896323
By your implications.
>>49896325
>Franco wasn't a fascist, just a reactionary
>wasn't a fascist
Just because he doesn't fit your narrative of what a fascist is doesn't mean he wasn't one. Him and Salazar were both fascists and I'm glad they fixed Spain.
>Blue Division was to get rid of the more extremist elements of his regime.
Because fear of another coup, like any sane leader would do, see Hitler with the night of long knives and killing the SA or Stalin and his purge of Jewish elements in Russia.

>>49896324
Good point.

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>>49896333
>Many pro fascist people(such as yourself) claim to be "proud shitlords"

Since when? You're either backpedaling or an extremely recent newfag to try to pass off bullshit like that.

>>49896375
>By your implications.
What fucking implications?

Not being far right doesn't make you far left.

>>49896380
Couple of months ago at least? I try not to keep up with you people's bullshit.

>>49896384
No, it makes you appear that way and it forces peoples hands to claim that you're a walking commie who wants to support workers revolts.

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>>49896380

Think harder, Anon.

>clearly new
>SJW
>very invested in his philosophy and not used to experiencing disagreement

We've caught an actual CTR shill taking a break from trying to demoralize /pol/. Quickly, scoop it into a mason jar and poke some holes in the lid, I'll find a stick and a leaf. They're used to being confined and it'll be a lot more pleasant than having their hook-nosed overseer shrieking into their eat to shitpost faster.

>>49896375
>Just because he doesn't fit your narrative of what a fascist is doesn't mean he wasn't one.
>His ideology was different of the ones of Mussolini and Hitler, generally in fundamental levels, such as the the lack of mass action and a lack of a revolutionary component
>He was a fascist
Are you retarded or merely pretending?

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>>49896349
>unapologetic SJW
>doesn't realize that spamming 40k memes is what made /tg/

Jesus Christ, how horrifying.

>>49896433
>>clearly new
I've been browsing this board for a couple of years.
>SJW
Again, when you sit so far right of the political spectrum EVERYTHING is social justice to you.
>very invested in his philosophy and not used to experiencing disagreement
I'm not.

>We've caught an actual CTR shill taking a break from trying to demoralize /pol/
I can count the time I've been to /pol/ on my fucking fingers, all of which have been at least two years ago.

When the fuck did I even mention Hillary?

>>49896325
>Franco wasn't a fascist

What planet are you living on?

>>49896325

There's virtually nothing in this post which is correct. Which is appropriate, Alinsky himself advised that when you tell a lie it should be so large and complex that it requires inordinate effort for your opponent to point out every single inaccuracy and fallacy in it.

The solution is to call you a faggot.

>>49896467
>moe shit posting
See I can do it too.
>unapologetic SJW
How is not being a Nazi being an SJW? How does not liking fascism equate to being an SJW?

>>49896484
>What planet are you living on?
One where fascism have clear core components which "Francoism" lacked.

>>49896452
>committing a coup against the state is not a revolt
>getting funding from Mussolini and Hitler and trying to impose authoritarian actions apparently doesn't make you a fascist
Are you? Why do you hate priests and why do support them getting shot up by commies who wish to support workers revolts you Whore of Babylon?

>>49896510
>
The solution is to call you a faggot.
I agree, faggot.

>>49896482
>A couple of years

Translation, this summer.

Explain the shitlord not being an insult thing if you don't visit /pol/, because I go there daily for election news and nobody uses it like that. It's a stupid, babyish insult created by stupid, babyish people on tumblr. You got caught using your native tumblr tongue, deal with it. Slink back to your fetid home and maybe you'll get pity-attention from your loathesome kin there if you cry hard enough about how mean 4chan was to you.

>>49896546
>because I go there daily for election news and nobody uses it like that.
Thanks for importing redditors onto /pol/ you hypocritical whore.

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Fascism is inherently Lawful Good and putting one's own people first is a natural symptom of choosing values over affirmation.

Fight me commies.

>>49894605
Realistically, no, but given how the faggy retard who invented the alignment system is also a turbo-faggy conservative with worldviews marinated in last century conservatism and severe autism, someone is surely going to come and tell me how this is all okay because they are delusional and read all those shitposts about how that original faggot thought slaughtering goblin babies is lawful good because they are born evil or some shit.

>>49896546
>Translation, this summer.
No, at least 2012ish. So about 4 years.

I may be getting my facist lingo mixed up with my anti-feminism lingo there's quite a bit of overlap between the crowds, sorry I offended you.
>You got caught using your native tumblr tongue
Or you know, i became aware of the term being used by people like you that dislike tumbler. and constantly posted screenshots and other bullshit in daily "rage threads".

>>49896522

Fascists can't be good people. Every legitimate college professor, politician, and activist agrees, you're in the minority and should just accept you lost. Deal w/it.

>>49896577
>awful Good and putting one's own people first is a natural symptom of choosing values over affirmation.
That's literally the opposite.

Fascism is Lawful Evil. So is Communism. No wonder you fucks despise eachother so much.

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>>49896525
>mfw the cuck is so mad his fat sausage fingers doubletap Enter in his autistic rage.

I want /pol/ to go.

>>49896589
So college professor, politician, and activists supports murdering priests because of the fact they say the Vicar of Christ is in Rome as a fuck you to the Romans?

>>49896610
>u made typo LOL

>>49896522
>committing a coup against the state is not a revolt
It was a civil war that Franco started out fairly marginalized within the Nationalists, only getting in the top through sheer luck, and revolting against the government don't make you fascist.
>getting funding from Mussolini and Hitler and trying to impose authoritarian actions apparently doesn't make you a fascist
Does cooperating with a fascist regime makes you a facist, even if you have mutual interest in said cooperation? Then the URSS, France, UK, and just about every nation in the world at the time should be called fascist.
>>49896510
>There's virtually nothing in this post which is correct.
What is incorrect in my post, faggot?

>>49896612
You know, anon, getting rid of cancer is difficult.

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>>49896515
>See I can do it too

Are you so angry you forgot your image?

>How is not being a Nazi being an SJW? How does not liking fascism equate to being an SJW?

Someone already answered this, lad. See >>49896270

>>49896641
>Are you so angry you forgot your image?

I didn't mean to post an image. I can post a series of words with a vague negative connotation too. Apparently you're too damn autistic to realize that.

Fuck's sake /tg/ when are you going to stop falling for these constant "hurr can X controversial ideology be Y alignment" troll threads?

>>49896605

Another typo? You must really be pissed...or is the CTR meme real and you're afraid of losing the only job you've ever had?

>I'll sacrifice my own kind for the sake of widespread approval from others

This is choosing affirmation over humanity's natural values, to put the family and tribe first.

>Even if I'm hated for it or suffer the wrath of outsiders, I'll protect my people

This is choosing humanity's natural values, to put the family and tribe first, over widespread affirmation.

The former is the logic of a traitor, the second the logic of a hero. Choose which you want to be.

>>49896612

I want tumblr to go.

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>>49896664
>mfw you backpedal again

>>49896617

Shut the fuck up.

>>49896621
>What is incorrect in my post, faggot?

Virtually everything, logically speaking.

>>49896732
>supporting the murder of priests
What a faggot, I bet you worship dark arts too you dirty heathen.

>>49896589

Liberalism in one post, folks.

>>49896696
>>I'll sacrifice my own kind for the sake of widespread approval from others
Not hating other people because they're different from you isn't "sacrificing your own people".

>Even if I'm hated for it or suffer the wrath of outsiders, I'll protect my people

>I'm totally a HERO guys!

Hating everyone who doesn't share your genetics and getting a hero complex about isn't noble, it makes you a prick with a chip on your shoulder.

>This is choosing humanity's natural value
That which is "natural" isn't necessarily good.

Fascism is the mindset of the animal.

>>49896664
>moe shitposting
>doesn't post a moe image with his shitposting

Where the fuck is the moe I was promised, fagboi?

>>49894605
Well, let's look at Fascism on a point-by-point and see if it can be inherently lawful and good at the same time, shall we?

>1. Extreme Nationalism

It's perfectly fine to love your city-state of origin and be lawful good. You can even be convinced in the correctness of your own country and stay lawful good... with a caveat: you cannot hold this as a personal truth after it has been demonstrated to be incorrect. If you think Freedonia can do no wrong, and then you see Freedonian society do something, anything that is inherently neither lawful or good, then Fascism is no longer a lawful good idea and you must reject it. As an example, if a Freedonian Judge foregoes a standard Freedonian trial which all Freedonian citizens have a Great-leader given right to and just order the execution of a person or group of persons? That's Freedonia doing wrong by it's own laws and rules. Once the State shows signs of corruption, it is lost. You must be the Lawful Good fire that purges the taint from this society. Burn that judge. Find who ordered him to proceed in such a manner. Burn them too, and all others until you find the root of the idea, and burn that away as well.

I think i'm going to run out of space, so i'll submit this and then move on to 2: "Dictatorial leadership".

>>49896783
I didn't promise you shit, retard.
>>49896723
I'm not backpedaling you fucknugget.

>>49896782

When exactly did hate come into it? Since when is not prioritizing others on the same level as your own family and friends equivalent to hating them? You seem to have brought a lot of your own baggage and prejudices to this discussion.

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Dammit /tg/.

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It's even a fucking banner.

>>49896809
>When exactly did hate come into it? Since when is not prioritizing others on the same level as your own family and friends equivalent to hating them?
Because that's not what fascism and your idealistic tribalism is about, and you know it.

>>49896800

>2: Dictatorial Leadership

Totally not uncommon in fantasy literature: The King Rules the land, and the King is a Good king who makes Just laws? you can be Lawful Good and live in a Fascist regime of this type. Hell, you can be a soldier in a Fascist Guard, and be lawful good, so long as the single individual giving the orders is, themselves, lawful good, and handing down lawfull good orders. Again: moment that changes, fire, burn, revolution, etc.

So there you have it! you can have a dictatorial country with extreme nationalism that is still able to produce Lawful Good citizens!

>>49896749
>Virtually everything, logically speaking
Are you such a faggot that you can't even try to use logic against nothing I said? Or are merely pretending to be retarded?

>>49896847
>3: Devaluation of the individual

Ahh, okay, this is a no-no for Lawful goodness. Individuals are important, individuals are what groups are made up out of, after all, and a boat wouldn't be very good if a plank below the water level was missing.

>>49896142
>Franco on the other hand was a fascist

Franco was a traditionalist or authoritarian conservative

Falange was fascist and Franco used them for political purposes, telling them to fuck off starting in 1945 and completely in 1959 after the Caso Matesa, where he gave complete control of the country to the National-Catholics (Opus Dei)

>>49894605
Yes.
Fascism is as good as the one who leads.

>>49896858
He is retarded, but he's also trolling, which is what matters in this case.

>Leave for less then an hour
>100+ more posts and arguing about ideology
Democracy is just mob rule which is evil because it's driven by primal human emotion which is inherently malevolent/harmful. A despotic dictatorship is a 100 times better then democracy and what most people think it is and how they view it.

>>49896059
>>Friedman and Hayek
>hahahahahha haha
those are both nobel prize winning economists anon. friedman is the most important economist of the 20th century. your faggot laugh doesnt undo the fact that they BTFO central planning in every possible way, and that central planning fails every time it is treid.

see: venezuela