CUSTODIAN AND SISTERS 40K RULES

Not gonna lie outside the Custode statline and the Sisters anti-psyker stuff, this is okay. With how much those custodes are worth I can kite out far more effective assault terminators with those points.

>>49894477
>smg bolter
Dis is good

>>49894537
>Not gonna lie outside the Custode statline
What's wrong with their statline? Custodes have always been better than Astartes and Phoenix Spears are mentioned to be shitty knockoffs of the custodes spears. So +1 across the board and AP 2 at initiative all the time seem fine. The only real issue I have with custodes is that their block special rule seems cumbersome and pointless and could be better filled by just giving them a straight up 6++ invulnerable save or maybe a 5++ in challenges.

Beyond that the only other real issue is that there is no reason to debate what to equip custodes with, give them guardian spears so they can murder almost anything in CC with ease. Maybe throw in one or two dudes with a storm shields to eat bullets.

>SoS have AP2 at I5 for 15ppm

Just fuck my balance up baka desu senpai, not even Eldar go that far

>>49894656
I meant that the statline is great their gear isn't though. My bad I worded that wrong.

>>49894477
Wait.


Both of these are Elites Slots in an allied detachment.


How do you ally them in?

Sisters of Silence statline is a little better than I like, but acceptable. Their points cost seems a bit low, but not outrageous. Getting those fucking swords for free is complete bullshit. They should at least double the cost of the model.

Custodes statline is again a little better than I think they should be, but not enough to get upset over. Value for points seems good, but not outrageously so. All their options seem fairly balanced.

Could have been worse.

Those free sister swords are almost as good as the 55pt relic that Codex SM hq choices can grab.

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Purely for collector value, you have to have a couple.

>>49894477
>An army that hasn't fought in forever in-universe and is basically just the papal guard anyway gets some rules and models
>Orks and nids are still garbage

Bravo

>>49895087
iirc, they actually do go out in disguise and give the credit to whichever SM chapter is closest.

>All this salt over the new sisters rules
Finally, our time has come.
Granted, they're not Sisters *of battle*, but still.

>>49894477
Custodes...
Better stats (as they should) and cheaper than GK Paladins.

>Oh what time it is to be alive
>The creep is real
>Why didn't Paladins get a point reduction when GK Terminators got one.

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>>49895087

>Papal Guard is literally stronger than races bred for war

Cucked

>>49894477
THE CUSTODES DON'T HAVE GRENADES.
THE SISTERS ONLY HAVE PYSCH-OUT GRENADES.

WAT.

>>49894477
Ok where did I get the idea these guys had taken to wearing black robes in mourning? I don't want to accuse GW of getting stuff wrong if I don't know my own sources.

>>49895087
>>An army that hasn't fought in forever in-universe

Do you have any idea what you're talking about?

The answer is no

>>49895188
only companions have, who were the emperors 300 most "personal" gaurds. take that as you will
>homoeroticism intencifies

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Oh baby, contemptor stodes in the background!

>>49895301
That looks like a SW Contemptor to me.

>>49895301

Seeing as these are GW plastics, it's probably the Calth contemptor painted gold.

>>49895295
Thanks, now I won't look like an uninformed troll.

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MUH DICK

FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUG

>>49895353
Yeah and those guys at the front are wolf guard terminators

https://archive.is/ur7q2

Unless I'm missing something, there's no way for the Custodes to charge after firing from their spears. That's a little disappointing.

>>49895501
Oh fuck, that's beautiful. Custodes seem to have a different - I wanna say 'more realistic' but even that's not really appropriate - scale/proportions than Marines, which I guess is intentional, but I like it.

>>49895501
shame the SoS won't come with enough helmets for the full unit

units without helmets trigger me

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Figures the Sigmarines were just a test-bed for the Cudtodes

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>>49895353
My dude, its gold.

>>49895678

>this dreadnought is trained to fuck your Primarch

this shit is awesome... I'm totally going to take a squad or two to ally with my Guard tanks, now I have my infantry rape stick I guess I should switch Pask to a Vanquisher...

>>49895501
Those SoS models make me hopeful when they update Sororitas.

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>016.M3
>/tg/ still doesnt realize that the custodes are an army of duncan idahos with limited prescient vision
>this explains their unequaled badassery and why they are so dear to Big E

>>49895764
the video that revealed the Daemon Primarch Magnus model has a plastic Bolter Babes teaser at the end

>>49895782
I know, and I'm praying that it's not GW making a joke in mala fide.

>>49894677
they're fine. Theyre T3 with no invulnerable and have too footslog across the table at regular infantry speed.
if they even make it into CC AP2 at I5 makes them not worthless.

>>49894719
unbound i guess

>>49894719
Well, you see, they are armies of the imperium, so we are seeing the first step toward "army book doesn't matter, just slot as long as they're the same faction"

>>49895796
The Emperor would not let GW do that to His hottest servants

>>49895796
Anon, the entire video was a joke, why is it so hard for people to realize something said in tongue in cheek manner doesnt equal a lie? Plastic Sisters are coming, probably next year just before the new edition.

>>49894477
Unless I'm missing it, where does it say any of these units can be used in regular 40k games?

>>49895870
the rules say:
"ALLIES
Custodian Guard are considered to be part of the Armies of the Imperium, and ally as such "

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What the fug? (Custodes description)

>>49895588
That looks great, for one it's legs ae not retarded like regular marine models. Good work.

>>49895087
>Whining about orks when they are best counter to SoS in 40K

Oh no, you killed 7 five point orks on charge, whatever I do faced with five T3 models, woe me

>>49895909
Down to fug.

>>49895890
Yes, and there are allies for 30K. I don't see anything saying 40K so far...

Custodes have the stats and costs I wish Space Marines had.

Imho a Marine army at 1k/2k pts shouldn't have more than 15/30 infantry models.

I hate Marines with 1W.

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>>49895909

Fug all those who oppose the Emperors light without mercy, remorse or respite

>>49895961
No you idiot. Those are their 40k rules as well as allying them into 40k. 30k does not have Armies of The Imperium.

How do they compare to Harlequins?

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>>49895909
:DDDDD

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>>49895909
bongspeak

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Like how the codex mentions them as "Goliaths" and it actually translated onto the tabletop models.

>>49895999
fəg

>>49896018
>Marinelets
>When will they learn?

>>49895976
Go fuck yourself you neckbeard twat.

>>49896055
Gee anon, that wasn't very nice, I've worked hard on my neckbeard!
:^)

And yet 7 Harlequins were able to kill 2 dozen of them in The Beast.

Then again it had been over a 1000 years since they've seen any combat.

>>49896187
By the next edition Phil Kelly with probably shit out Eldar codex that will make ccw eldar weapons str D too so just treat it as a preview

>>49896187
if you ignore the 1000 years of fighting Daemons trying to break into the Imperial Palace from the collapsed Human Webway, and that part of the book was fucking bullshit, they dodged fucking Titan weapons as well, the writer is a retard and a fucking Eldar fan boy

>>49896241
>if you ignore the 1000 years of fighting Daemons trying to break into the Imperial Palace
The Emperor being on the golden throne seals of that tear in the webway tho. Unless Retcon Library is writing about that now.

>>49896272
what I've read says Big E's golden toilet stops it from expanding, and the Custodes are the ones keeping the daemons at bay

>>49896295
Nah they only fought after Magnus tore it a new asshole and they were still trying to fix it. They eventually lost and pulled back to the Throne room where the emperor sealed off the portal with the Golden Throne. Thats what Malcador died doing whilst the Emperor got rekt by Horus.

>>49896332
then why the fuck are the Custodes still in the Imperial Palace? if they're not fighting off wave after wave of daemons then what are they doing? getting naked and taking dips in promethium baths? furiously masturbating in ever corner of the Imperial Palace?

>>49894477

>be part of the greatest warriors the galaxy has ever known
>work a glorified bodyguard
>literally do nothing all but patrolling the castle all day expecting menaces that never come

being a custodes is suffering

>>49896353
Pretty much. The largest amount gathered at one time was 1000 during that ork raid with the Emperor. They're a small elite group dedicated to being the Emperor's bodyguards and thats about it. Since he's been pretty immobile lately they haven't had that much to do.

I remember some old short story where they had one custodes always trying to infiltrate the palace to fake assassinate the Emperor for practice.

>>49896353
Apparently they take turns playing the ultimate LARP where a couple of them do everything possible to assassinate the Emperor with no punches pulled short of actually doing the deed, while the rest try to stop them.

>>49896427
>>49896431
Aaaaand now we have a Narrative on how/why Custodes would ever fight eachother.

>>49896431
still sounds a damn site less efficent than if they just left the Imperial fucking Palace and went out to Get. Shit. Done. oh what's this, a Chaos warlord is preparing for a fuckhuge black crusade that would screw over a chunk of the Imperium? BAM! Custodes drop in and fuck his shit up! Dark Eldar are raiding worlds? BAM! Custodes turn up and slaughter them, freeing those who can be saved, and delivering The Emperor's Peace to those who are too far gone, etc.

Wait so Custodes aren't slow and purposeful. Oh my gutness

>>49896504
Iirc, Custodes actually do go out all the time, but in disguise and give all the credit to the nearest SM chapter.

It only seems like they don't go out because no one knows.

>>49896272
The novel carrion throne may well reveal that truth

>>49895796
>>49895827
>>49895782
sisters come at the end of january/beginning of february.
24th is the release of magnus, then we have 4 weeks of thousand son releases ahead (including WZ fenris 2) after that, soros hit the stores.

>>49896353
As the Emperor's bodyguards, they're bodyguarding the Emperor.

>>49896464
blood games. every year, they try to "assasinate" one of their kin. the rest protect them.

>>49896538
well thank The Emperor for that, though it is theorised that Asterion Moloc is actually a Custode...

>>49896566
and to quote TTS: "I can take care of myself, I'm not your average vegetable"

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>>49895557
Between these and the new Deathwatch Marines, I think GW is going truescale...

Finally.

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>>49895999

>>49896307

I wonder do they have things like Predators, Whirlwinds, Land Raiders and what not.

I also wonder if the new vehicle that guy was purported to be working on was a Custodes vehicle.

They said either Orks or Sisters, but I was wondering if it could be for the Heresy or Custodes.

>>49896504
That's literally the purpose of space marines though. Custodes are ultimate warriors but not soldiers who fight as a big force.

I think this was a thing in first heretic.

>>49896718
I believe they mention it in A Thousand Sons as well.

>>49894477
>>49895501
Their proportions look just a bit off, like the legs are too short or something

>>49896688

I miss those threads

>>49896018
Are the Custodes hands Marine or Terminator sized?

>>49896382
I mean, Terra is massive, dense, and so deep that some parts haven't seen the sun in eons. There's probably a metric shitton of chaos cults, conspiracies, assassins, and those radical Inquisitors all trying to kill the Emperor. I imagine they scour the palace constantly. The Emperor is the single most important individual in the galaxy, there is undoubtedly thousands of assassination plots going on on Terra alone.

>>49896649
the marines are already truescale.
its the current guardsmen that are wrong.

>>49896778
now only if GW would confirm that to be the case instead of "Custodes stand around and, we don't know, masturbate in the corridors waiting for something to happen?" I hate it when we have to fill in all the blanks.... throw us a bone Gee Dubs!

>>49895563
fucking THIS
when I see that a marine in my box doesn't have a helmet it makes me want to not even glue it

>>49894802

>Getting those fucking swords for free is complete bullshit.

lol good luck getting a squad full off those sprues, also WAAAH S4 AP2 IN MELEE SO SCARY bitch please these cunts can't even make it reliably INTO melee. Nor can the Custodes. They're like shittier Wulfen.

I don't see a point to either of these other than they're cool and might work better in 30k. In games of 40k they are lack luster.

>>49894477
Mathammer wise, how would a squad of custodes do against a squad of Assault Terminators?

10 Custodes with storm shields and power knives versus 10 Terminators with thunder hammers and storm shields too.

>>49896716
Custodes will have their own army list with 100% unique vehicles and options.

SoS will be Agents of the Emperor.

If you wish to start a Custodes army, do NOT pre-purchase anything other than the Custodes themselves.

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>>49895501
It looks like he has a nose like a proboscis monkey.

>>49896919
its better to go 5 SS custodes + 5 glaive custodes.

>>49894802

What's wrong with the SoS statline? It's worse than Death Cult Asassins, who are also human.

>>49896772
Glorious. I love you.

>>49896954
except Death Cult Assassins don't fuck with any psykers day

>>49896772
Masterful.

>>49896970

Yeah, if the footslogging t3 infantry can get within pistol distance of them. I don't honestly see what makes them too high.

My main annoyance with this is that Boltgun SoS seem kinda pointless compared to the melee ones. If I wanted what they have I'd use my 11 point Sisters of Battle and get a 6++.

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>>49896929
>GW makes plastic Spartan for Custodes
>[muffled screaming coming from wallet]

>>49895764
Phil Kelly has more or less stated Sisters of Battle are coming and these are a preview, Sisters of Silence will more than likely be part of the SoB army

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>>49895909
WHAD THE FUG?

>>49896994
take an allied detachment with transports, a Chimera or Taurox would be able to stick them in the face of any psyker in no time, or just wait for them to get their own codex and transports, for now they are to fight against other footsloggers in the Burning of Porspero, this box set is a taster, like the Deathwatch stuff we got

>>49897026

While a bit odd from a fluff perspective I wouldn't mind it.

The SOB have a serious issue with 'Melee troops' right now, both have a 'Deals with Psykers' focus (SOB less so but there) and the primary SoB Covent is on Terra.

An assault transport and SoS would be fantastic to see turn up.

>>49897026
>Sisters of Silence will more than likely be part of the SoB army

Christ, why? What do they two have in common, other than "Sisters of" in the name?

Just you wait, they'll retcon Reign of Blood from existence and make SoB some pleb tier spin-off of the SoS with no ties to the Ecclesiarchy at all.

>>49896929

Does that mean they'd still have their jet bikes and what not?

I know the Imperium has lost a lot since the days of the Heresy, but much of the Custodes armory would have been left in tact unless I'm missing something.

>>49897061
SoB's are also witch hunters, them teaming up with SoS to hunt witches isn't too farfetched.

>>49897141
unified Inquisition codex maybe?

>>49897061
>>49897141

I think I'd be fine with them turning up in the SOB codex as long as they go 'Yeah, these guys are regular allies rather than the same actual group'. Like the Ecclessiarchy stuff in the codex.

>>49897141
SoB's are also heretic hunters.

SoS's are followers of the Imperial Truth and do not worship anyone or thing.

The SoB's would HATE them.

>>49896562
Can we trust this madman?

>>49896871
>I don't see a point to either of these other than they're cool
that's about it, you take a unit for the excuse to paint something cool for your army

like every made-to-be-allies imperial army

>>49897141
>are

Were. In a Wardian move where a faction was forced in with another to make a codex out of it because of reasons.

>them teaming up with SoS to hunt witches isn't too farfetched

Yeah, so why can't SoS team with non-SoB then? Why can't they be like Scions or Inquisition, their own codex you can team up with any army, rather than an off-shoot of SoB? People didn't like it when the Inquisition was forced into the GK codex, so why is it ok now to force the SoS into the SoB codex?

>>49897167
Custodes didn't have a problem with the Emperor-worship when they took Alicia and the other Brides before the Emperor. And whatever the Brides saw, didn't change their faith other than being seen they were fooled by Vandire. And the Sisters didn't seem to take issue to the Custodes presumed lack of religious fervor.

I think at it might be safe to say at this point the Emperor has realised the whole atheism thing had failed.

>>49897157
or how tempestus scions will often deploy on their own, but they're also a AM elite unit

>>49897167
>SoS's are followers of the Imperial Truth and do not worship anyone or thing.

I mean it's not like they're telling.

>>49897175

desu this is how it should be

Fun, small side armies to collect that are mid-tier. They have an interesting gimmick but not one that upsets the whole game balance and becomes a Must Have ally for every army that can take them.

>>49897181
>Wardian move

Nigga, Sisters being put into Codex: Witch Hunters predates Matt Ward.

Anyone have the rules for the other stuff in the box?

>>49897199
or the Bolter Babes are not dumb enough to piss off the super soldiers who make the OTHER super soldiers look like normal humans by comparison

>>49897201

Pretty much, yeah. Or heck 'Techpriest enginseer' with a guard army.

I think there is room for groups that work together without getting into arguments about who's in charge to turn up in each other's codex.

>>49897214
When something is, say, "Machiavellian", you think they're talking about Machiavelli himself, or an action that's indicative of the sort of thing he might do?

Think about it, nigga.

>>49897238
Ward did nothing wrong. Dark and Blood Angels should have been rolled into one big book too.
At least BT are guaranteed a semi-annual update now.

>those sexy SoS cloaks

I hope we'll be able to buy them separately one day, I need them for bits.

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>>49896562
they will never stop saying "plastic sisters are coming out in the next couple months"

It will never stop being wrong

>>49894477
I'm kind of bummed the Sisters are T3 still. Just because it kind of reduces their utility, they're one of the emperor's chosen warrior groups they could be boosted a bit more.

But instead we get a cost effective unit that has great swords and S4 along with decent anti psyker rules.

>>49897287
>Dark and Blood Angels should have been rolled into one big book too.

Well, they're codex chapters, so I don't see why not. At tops give them their "Angels of Death" supplement like in the old days. But they probably sell enough for GW to keep pushing them as their own things while making all the really codex diverged chapters in the vanilla codex more and more vanilla.

But the point is that Inquisition and SoB never belonged together. Only thing they had to do with one another was that Hereticus was formed to watch over the Decree Passive and other groups on the side.

>>49897334

Trust me, being T4 doesn't save you any more grief with the weapons normally being spammed in 40k these days.

>>49897287
>At least BT are guaranteed a semi-annual update now.

And yet BT are still on the same spot as they were in 5th, out of the meta and with 0 ways to keep up with the rest of the armies as we dont have a decurion and are totally based on assault with shit tier units in an edition that punishes you for assaulting shit.

We got rolled in and still are totally fucked and ignored.

>>49896562
Please
Please tell me you know something about combined admech codex?

>>49897334

They are T3 but they are also 1W. So it's not like it costs them too much.

>>49896562
I fucking told you months ago, people. You remember our bet, Grot Anon?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FJVO5iswrdk

>>49894477
Wait a fucking minute:
>You can take Custodes in any army
>Including guard

Does this mean my Custodes can embark in shitty Chimeras?

>>49897354
True. I'm just saying their stats are the opposite of what I expected. Namely being a really good cost effective melee unit for its points (only 15 points for sweet swords and to lock down the psychic phase).

I just wish we had more SoS units, maybe with more elite options from the Horus Heresy artbooks, cardgames, or just made up. With some super SoS unit that would have higher S, T, and 2+ save to represent the most genetically modified heroes/primes of the SoS who were personally modified by the Emperor etc or the squad that took down that giant psychic monstrosity in Flight of thr Einstein etc.

I mean the whole point of the 30k game scene is to spam power armored or human factions all over the place, why not embrace it.

>>49897466

Yes, anon.

Custodes can jack your guardsmen's ride.

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>>49897466
Now thats one hell of a tactic, at least in universe.
>traitors face when the chimera they ignored because lol metal boxes is filled with custodes

>>49897469

I can't see them ever makingthem higher S or T, but they would probably get fancier wargear and even more special rules, yeah.

>>49897477
>Our lord and master the God-Emperor of Mankind wills it, that you give upon us your Chimera, loyal Guardsmen!
>Also, we want for the Sisters of Silence.

>>49897484
>ignoring metal bawxses
>not taking away their metal bawkses
You asked for this.

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>>49895909
ebin

>>49897469
>With some super SoS unit that would have higher S, T, and 2+ save
yeah they're called custodes

>>49896438
APPROACH ME WITH ILL INTENT, FRATER

>>49897492
>>49897775
They don't have to be that good.

I just want a viable s4 t4 army that is not marines. Its why I kind of like some of the mechanicus and imperial militia rules too that let you do that.

Actually the Silence gals can get S4 basically for free so they're halfway there.

I don't want to sound like I don't like the unit though. Hope Forgeworld/GW gets more monies and expands the crap outta these two factions. I'd love to see more unique units for these two, including some we've never seen before.

>>49897821
>I just want an army of marines that is not marines
but why

I honestly don't think they either are worth fielding in 40k.

If I want an elite group of CQC specialists, a squad of Wulfen all equipped with TH/SS are cheaper and will do a far better job than the Custodes.

The Sisters might be a decent alternative to that anti psyker assassin since they put more numbers on the field, but even then having such a thing period is way too situational.

The White Scars strike forces or Dark Angel battle company with Imperial Knights are still far better options. Taking any of AdMech's options is still a better option. Taking any SM Chapter with a Gladius Strike Force with full battle company is a better option. Taking a blob of Astra Militarum with heavy artillery support is a better option. Taking inquisitorial back-up is a better option in terms of points left over. Only maybe a squad of SoS is better than taking that one anti psyker assassin.

>>49895779
>duncan idahos with limited prescient vision
Don't remind me of the fucking KJA sequels.

>>49896799

>torsos barely 2 heads long
>huge gorilla arms
>legs too short
>poses still squatting too much

Nah, they're still shit and held back by having to work around the old sculpts.

>>49897214
>>49897238
The effect of Matt Ward is like unto the birth of Slaanesh. It happened at a certain point of time, but such is its nature, its presences reaches into the past as it does into the future. Even in parts of Rogue Trader, you can detect elements of Wardisnism.

>>49897868
>The Sisters might be a decent alternative to that anti psyker assassin
assassin's cheap, and more importantly fairly tough, since he forces snap shots against him

sisters are basically inquisitorial acolytes+1, but still worse than crusaders

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>>49897922
>KJA sequels.
well yes those were terrible but Idaho turns into super Idaho in the original books. its how he sees Daniel and Marty

>>49897931
well yeah there still the heroic scale GW uses for all warhammer minis.

but they're true scale in the sense people normally mean when talking about true scale marines, in scale with other 40k minis.

>>49894477
so other than unbound how are you supposed too actually take these in an army?

or is it just unbound

>>49894719
They're specialist units, so they'd be a part of an Armies of the Imperium Allied Detachment.

>>49898489
but where are the mandatory troop and HQ options for an allied detatchment?

you can't take just elites as an allied detatchment.

>>49898489
Nice bullshit, where is this "Armies of the Imperium Allied Detachment", how does it work and where's the troop choice for this list you just made up? You play unbound if you want to use custodes and sos in 40k as they dont have a FOC of their own or an HQ or Troop choice to fill a normal FOC.

>>49897846
>implying you can have too many marines
>laughing GW sales team
Different play style. Lot of mind fuck/prototype weapons from the emperor's arsenal and other shenanigans. Maybe fucked up emperor creations to fight alongside or their own vehicles.

>>49894717
I mean their gear is as good as you can reasonably expect, always AP 2 at initiative weapons, bolters, options for storm shields, artificer armour. They are equipped pretty much on par with a genetic praetor.

Out of curiosity what were you actually expecting in terms of gear?
>Bolter is AP 3
>Spear causes instant death
>Good invul save by default

>>49895933
Probably kill more Orks than sisters, run anyhow and get swept?

>>49897026

Where did he say this?

>>49898963
I was expecting better base stats from the spear considering how pricy these guys are. Like a post above says, the Wulfen are so much better at the job than these guys are for example. I would personally argue that even terminators are possibly better because they can also get AP1/AP2 gear.

>>49897868
>If I want an elite group of CQC specialists, a squad of Wulfen all equipped with TH/SS are cheaper and will do a far better job than the Custodes.
Unlike Wulfen, Custodes don't look pants on head retarded.

>>49899111
Custodes beat terminators due to multiple wounds, eternal warrior, and str 5 AP 2 at initiative with block providing a pseudo invulnerable save.

>>49899111
they are t5 w2 guys striking at S6 3 or 4 times each.

>>49899224

And by having one guy give up his AP2 you can give the entire squad +1 attack.

>>49899224
>>49899271
Compare that to Assault Terminators who are 225 points with the hammer and shield, so it's s8 AP2 with Concussive and have a storm shield while Custodes have to downgrade to that shitty blade to get a storm shield.

>>49899754
yeah but the custodes get +1 WS, T, W, A and can strike at I4 with AP2 and still habe a gun.
The custodes are going to be better vs most targets.

>>49895501
Look it's so huge! It's big and it's gold, with my dumb emperor.

Are Custodes are actually missing their Artificer Armor?

what the fuck

So if the Custodes really do get their own army and Codex, you think they'll somehow shoehorn in some weird fluff that gives people an excuse to paint them in diffrent colors?

>>49900081
Not at all. FW doesn't do this (often), only GW does.

>>49900000

Do the SoS and custodians count as elite choices in any armies of the Imperium? am I understanding that correctly?

>>49900081
Custodes will definitely have their own 30k army list. Likely a 40k one as well.

>>49900112
No, GW cannot into rules, and as such, they cannot be allied in properly because lolnoHQandnoTroops.

>>49896438
Guy with the sword looks like Valdor.

Better give him a spear and create a diorama in which they fuck traitors with /TG/s fetish weapon.

>>49900046
No? They're 2+

>>49897368
House rule. Forge your own narative. Take the stormblade strike force swap in crusader squads and voila!

>>49900149

I think he's commenting on the fact the gear isn't listed on them.

>>49900112
Each unit is it's own detatchment to be deployed individually

>>49900105
>Not at all. FW doesn't do this (often), only GW does.
I see, while it'll suck for some people, it's not like they really can't paint the Custodes however they want anyways.
I like the gold anyways so vanilla color is fine with me. Thanks anon.
>>49900130
>Custodes will definitely have their own 30k army list. Likely a 40k one as well.
I hope so, I'd like to see how these Golden Banana Goliaths fair against 40k armies.
Even if one isn't made I'm sure Fan-Rules will be. Hell, /tg/ will make it themselves.

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>>49900154
>I think he's commenting on the fact the gear isn't listed on them.
With those pecs they don't need armour to stop bullets

>>49900130

But come on, they can't release Burning of Prospero models and not release Constantin Valdor.

He'll come out in the same book as Russ and Magnus. Custodes will soon have their HQ.

I just hope he has stats and rules worth it of someone who was said to "defeat Horus once in a spar".

>>49899971
But that's just paying more for beefiness not really needed. They are at that point a beefier Deathwing Knights unit who are somewhere in between Assault Terminators and Custodes in beefiness and even in points value, but are also too costly. The 225 for Assault Terminators with nice weapons is already costly enough, but the over 235 and over 260 for the DWK and Custodes respectively? For something as simple as Eternal Warrior?

>>49900335
One of them looks like Valdor, same how "Geigor" is totally not Björn.

>>49900401
I likemtheir banner a lot as well, everyone in 12 gets plus 1 attack as well.

Also, dont those spears give +1 strength?

Nasty.

Pillar Custodes conversion when

>>49894537

Protip: Custodes don't have invulnerable saves. Literally gravbait: the unit.

Both them and Sisters of Silence are really good though. Overall Custodes are probably some of the best TEQ out there, and Sisters of Silence have those stupid S4 AP2 rapeswords.

>>49900669

I wish the boltgun SoS were worth using but they really don't feel like they are worth 15 points for 'Not so shit at melee (But still not great with the base weapon) SOB'.They feel a bit like they should have gotten a backup melee weapon of note for when they go boltgun. Or just given them both boltgun and blade.

>>49900732

I feel like Sisters of Silence are basically human Aspect Warriors, with "killing psykers and either hordes or TEQ at short range" as their aspect tactics.

They do that one job well, but anything else? They don't have transports. They don't have assault grenades. They have plenty of weaknesses that will make them garbage against a large percentage of armies. They wreck psyker heavy armies like Librarius Conclave spam or Tzeentch summon spam, but run them against Tau and you will get shat upon in a most humiliating manner.

>>49900779

Yeah, they really need an allied transport to get there. They are a nice place to put my Cannoness and her assault grenades at least.

>>49895557
Costodians of sigmar...

Custodes kill team would it work?

>>49901433
No 2+ in Killteam.

Also min squad is already 260 pts.

Assuming you can take them in Kill team, 5 guys with 12" gun against 30+ model... yeah good luck.

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Sisters of Silence are pretty decent, bar the lack of grenades.

Custodes, on the other hand, are a mess. No grenades, no native invuln, no FnP, no way to shoot and charge with the spears, shitty generic AP3 swords, the list goes on. Yes, T5 W2 Eternal Warriors are tough, but not actually tough enough to handle plasma or grav to a sufficient degree.
A native 5++ and Rending on the Sentinel Blades would have been enough, really. Considering their cost, that'd hardly be overpowered.

>>49898527

The Officio Assassinorum proves you wrong.

>>49901504
>they cannot survive cheese so they are shit

waacfags are the worst

>custodes dont have a terminator armor with a 3++ save
>everyone with some ap2 can blast them out of the table no problem while some random guy from some random chapters first company can use an invul save.

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Will these fucks be included? How much points?

>>49901570
Welcome to the reality of the game.
Also, they aren't shit, but they are not as good as their reputation and price tag would imply.

>>49901504
Either they'll receive grenades when the codex arrive or they'll be FAQed

>>49901504
You'd think the Imperium would shell out for some Refractor Fields on the badyguards of the single most important person in the realm.

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Have to buy BoP just to get 5 of these niggas

>>49901618
You'd think they are said to have one of the best equipment among other but still use the shitty default bolter ammunition.

>>49901679
Split the cost with someone who only wants the Sisters of the other factions, and pay proportionately for the Custodes if you can. I'm sure there's someone out there.

>>49901522
no it doesn't. they have their own faction unique detatchment. which is just 1 elite slot.

the SoS and custodes don't have that or formations so the only detatchments available to them are a CAD or Allied detatchment. But since their factions don't have troops or HQ they can't meet the minimum requirements.
So unless there's more rules coming the only possible way to put custodes or SOS on the table is in an unbound army.

>>49901711
>no it doesn't. they have their own faction unique detatchment. which is just 1 elite slot.

same will be the case here.

>>49901814
i expect so too eventually. but for now there's not.

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>>49900429
As soon as my BoP box arrives. Will be similar to this I did a while ago

>>49901679
go to ebay or trading groups idiot. not everyone is going to want the sisters or custodes from their box.

>>49901946
What you plan on giving him? I've been thinking a helmet, cape, maybe the tip pointing down sword on the right hand (if it fits, if not, maybe a spear) and maybe try and get some left hand doing a cool pose thing.

>>49894938
That stormbolter makes absolutely zero sense, even for 40k. That's Fallout 3 combat shotgun level of bad.

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They should have conversion fields/rosarius as standard or at least optional for every individual unit and the halberd cause instant death

>>49902144
Ignore the gun, focus on the fist. That's three/four S10 AP2 swings while the Cataphract provides them with a comfy 4++.

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>>49902144
It's already here, m8.

>>49902163
No need for ID on the halberd, it's good enough as is. It's the sword that needs help badly.
On the subject of saves they should have a 5++ at the very least. If fucking IG officer scrubs can have a refractor, so should these guys.

>>49896187
>>49896241
That part was complete bullshit. Not because it happened, mind you. I'm an Imperial fanboy, but a Shadowseer and a Death Jester are srs bzns. But rather how it was presented.
>the Eldar are being smothered by the Emperors presence and lurking Chaos and almost get fucked when they arrive, but then it's completely ignored
>the Custodes, whose sole role is to defend the Emperor, do not employ a single defensive tactic in a narrow, long and straight corridor and instead just rush the pair
>Shadowseer herself notes that most of the Custodes would be a tough fight 1 on 1, but they somehow manage to waltz through them
>both Eldar do not use a single one of their psychic abillities, just their equipment
>the second she gets cornered, the Custodes leader punches her so fast she almost didn't see it coming
Literally everything was stacked against them, yet they managed to overcome the Custodes. Complete bullshit imo, the author should have somehow justify it or something.

>>49902258
>she almost didn't see it coming
Pretty good, custodes are damn quick for their size, just how I like'em.

>>49902192
Those helmets are pretty fucking sweet but the impossibility of those bolters trigger my /k/ autism. I guess this is the most combi of all the combi-bolters, though, being a bolter with an underslung bolter.

>>49897484
Load up a Gorgon of them.

>>49902199
I think the sword isn't too bad. Its big perk is allowing the storm shield and also BS2 overwatch. Alternatively, sword and knife for +1A isn't terrible.

Kinda worried about 8e maybe rolling the various forces of the Imperium into a combined/dumbed down Forces of the Imperium army. Isn't that sort of what they did with WFB when AoS came out?

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>>49902378
The sword is a generic powersword with a couple of boltpistols glued to it, while its fluff makes it out to be the best thing ever. And, yes, 50 points for four powersword attacks is fucking awful.

As for the AoS thing, the factions were ordered according to their allegiance (Order, Chaos, Death and Destruction), but for the most part you don't just field that shit willy-nilly across subfactions, since you usually want to make the most of buffs and spells that for the most part only affect one subfaction.
Basically, think of what you can do now with allies, except it benefits you less and even Battle Brothers cannot buff one another.

>>49901679
I've already got 3 sets i can buy.

>>49895909
>fug
halbed in bagina :DD

>>49900130
>No, GW cannot into rules, and as such, they cannot be allied in properly because lolnoHQandnoTroops.
It's obviously intended so that you can't stick two random Custodes squads into your random fuckoff guard regiment and still call it battle-forged.

>>49902474
Unless you're fighting lots of 2+, s5 ap3 with a 2+ 3++ is literally fine.

They're 5 points more than hammer termies with twice the wounds and 5 across the board, what more do you want? I'd say they are a very viable alternative.

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>>49902838
It's a bit like twin-claw terminators, just S5 vs. Shred. And either +1 attack for sword and knife, or 3++ from shield.

>what more do you want?

Maybe anti-tank weapons, if you're gonna field them as their separate army or in any large quantity. Though I'm sure there's gonna be more to them. The rules are just for the stuff that's in the box, just like with Cataphractii, which only got to take weapons in the kit. There's bound to be more options and unit types in the future. I'm hoping these will be the elite dudes and bolter armed tactical custodes will be the Troops.

>>49902838
You'd think the elite of the elite would spend most of their time fighting other elite troops with 2+ saves.
Mulching MEQ is easy enough, everybody can do that.

>>49902918

I'm rather hoping to see more options for both them and the SoS. At the very least, a transport. Maybe something to make Bolter SoS appealing like that +dakka dark angels banner.

>>49897167
They would hate them for being pariahs.

>>49903018

No more than other human would. The SOB don't have any big anti-pariah thing going on.

>>49897947
Underrated post

>>49903030
I think since they're so religious they hate psyker a lot more. Pariahs are even worse than psykers

>>49903154

Not really. This is expressly covered in the first SOB novel.

The SOB have no issues with Psykers beyond beyond a bit wary due to inherent danger. What they loathe with an undying passion are Witches. The book has a veteran SOB scolding a newbie for messing up the distinction and saying nasty things about sanctioned psykers.

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>>49901946
Any chance you could list the parts you used for that? I want to make the Pillarstodes as well.

>>49894656
I guess they're more or less Lychguards

>>49894719
I think November WD will tell us how to

>>49903523
Looks like a power fist, MkIV helmet with a CSM helmet top knot, and a chainsword and bolt pistol holster.

>>49903594
Do you know what model is the torso from?

>>49903633
the free WD slaughterpriest

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>>49901679
Just wait for them to release individuals because they do that with literally every box unit.

>>49903633
Khorne Slaughterpriest with a MkIV helmet, CSM helmet top-knot, BaC chainsword and holster, and a left hand power fist.

>>49903791
>>49903716
Thanks!
Shame that torso is only on the WD one.

Any ideas of easy replacement torso I can use for the pillarmen custodes? Was thinking maybe Chaos Marauders.

>>49903552
Not a bad parallel; like Lychguard the sword&board guys are durable but suck balls at dealing damage while the halberd guys will fold fairly quickly.

>>49903906
>Shame that torso is only on the WD one.
Dude.
It's one of the regular models. Costs 20 bucks usually.
Called blood priest with hackblade and smash thingie. The names are kind of hard to remember, but he's just one of the regular Khorne models.

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>>49903906
https://www.games-workshop.com/en-BE/Slaughterpriest-with-Hackblade-and-Wrath-hammer

Fucking need-to-be-spoonfed summer babby faggot.

>>49899754
>Custodes beat terminators due to multiple wounds, eternal warrior, and str 5 AP 2 at initiative with block providing a pseudo invulnerable save.
>TH/SS Terminators vs. Spear Custodes 6v5
>Custodes strike first with 16 attacks
>10.7 hit, 8.9 wound, 3 unsaved wounds
>Terminators strike back with 8 attacks
>4 hits, lets say 2 attacks blocked, for two successful hits for 1.7 wounds
5 Custodes have 10 eternal warrior wounds, are effectively strength 6, have a large number of attacks, toughness 5, a psuedo invul save in CC, and are fearless.

Besides the main people that will be using them are probably 30k players who mostly can't take storm shields. In 30k Custodes could make great assassination or escort units due to being a bitch to bring down. Five custodes are probably more dangerous than most primarchs, lower toughness and no invul but they have a combined 16 attacks and 10 wounds while still being strength 6.

>>49896382
There is the hole in the human webway project leading right to the golden throne. Plus custodes still have blood games.

>>49904103
Whoops I forgot to make some amendments when I fixed the wounds the custodes inflict (had it set for 3+ instead of 2+) Terminators should get 6 attacks, 3 hits, like 2 blocked attacks, and less than a single unsaved wound.

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>>49904021
>>49904012
My fave part was where you fucked up and posted the wrong link and deleted your post while insulting people.

Great job. 10/10

>>49902199
Praetors don't get an invulnerable save by default.

>>49899049
Implying orks can't kill 5 T3 models. They might be bad, but not that bad.

>>49904214
My favorite part is that you couldn't even find the link in the first place, just whine about it online.

>>49904152
Source on still doing blood games?

I guess that there's going to be some kind of 'agents of the imperium' book coming out soon with custodes, sisters of silence and the temple assassins in it. Presumably with a detachment allowing you to field just elite choices.

>>49904523
More like 8th edition will use AoS faction labels and lots of mini formations that can be sold as boxed sets

>>49904672
Since the overall faction system in AoS isn't half bad, I'd be down for that.

Atleast in 40k you can pair them with GK then stick Crowe in a squad of them for hammerhead, pretty much giving then ID against most non monserous creatures.

Great, more marines.

>>49904892
Well since those are only the 40k rules we dont know what they are like in 30k.

>>49901679
Wait for Ebayers, Frogposter. Whenever GW shits out these shovelware games, they buy up the boxes by the dozen and sell the miniatures back for dirt cheap online. I just bought the Eldrad mini from Death Masque for 6$.

>>49894477
Remember that time Lorgar went to a chaos cult planet with his boiz and a Custodes, and then some random scrubs managed to subdue the Custodes, and impale him with a spike up his ass as a sacrifice?

>>49899754
Thy don't have to downgrade to the shitty blade to get the shield.

>>49896427
>infiltrate the palace

>"Hello it is I, the Palace's humble new cook!"
>"Damnit Dan we know it's you, we told you a thousand times to stop trying to impersonate a human. You're almost ten feet tall for the Emperor's sake."

>>49902144
>>49902312
Those are combi-bolters (aka Twin-linked Bolters) not stormbolters.

>>49902918
They're most likely doing the Genestealer Cults / Deathwatch treatment.

Rules for the box teaser models with full rules in several months

>>49908507
>Any model not equipped with a guardian spear may take a storm shield

>Only way to not be equipped with a guardian spear is to downgrade to the shitty blade.
>except the one bro with the Custodes vexilla

If you only wanted a single custode in your army with a storm shield you are technically correct.

>the best kind of correct.

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I like how they actually have good proportions and don't suffer from the "T-Rex arms/Elephant legs" syndrome Space Marines do.

>>49908975
There was a time when they were the one and the same. "Storm Bolter" was just a name for the "combination bolter", which was two bolters slapped together.

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>>49900318
Oh no, not the strippers!

>>49894717

>AP2 with block
>2+/3++
>Extra attacks for everyone in 12 inches
>I5 on charge
>Not great

What more do you fucking want?

>>49913285
Are you trying your hardest to read the rules wrong or something?

>>49896562

>Same guy with the accurate leaks

Well shit.

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>>49902312
>>49902192
>>49902144

I've seen stranger things in real life.

>>49894677
>T3/S3
If your Captain is worried, he's a bitch

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>>49894677
I'd rather just take crusaders

>>49913417
That actually makes sense, kinda (no buffer tubes unless I'm mis-sizing the tubes on that stock). The combi-bolter in the image has 2 magazines side by side with no way for rounds to reach the top barrel.

>>49897167
The SMs also follow the Imperial Truth, except all the ones that don't

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>>49913547
Oh. Yeah, you're right.

These weapons brought to you by the Forgeworld of Lie-Feld. Weapons guaranteed to fire!*

*Weapons not guaranteed to fire twice.

>>49900732
I think it should have just been something a bit better than a Boltgun

>>49913750

Yeah. A combi bolter or a stormbolter or something. Stormbolters would have been pretty nice. Something preferably with assault.

>>49913780
>>49913750
How about a multilaser

>>49913750
what, are you too good for boltguns?

>>49896718

I think it was a Word Bearer that compared Space Marines to wolves and Custodes to tigers. Wolves fight as a pack while Custodes fight solo and never expect any help or back up.

Does anyone have pictures of the flamers the SoS come with?

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>>49913939
second gun from the top left

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>>49914235
Thanks. They are the old-style bell-end flamers, and I am pleased.

>>49914287
Pretty much every model in 30k is a modern reimagining of an old-school kit

>>49894537
They look amazing to me. If your enemy has a lot of anti-armor, take storm shields and give them sentinel blades, you still get melee-shooty assault units but with invulnerable saves. If the enemy has lots of melee units give them guardian spears for blocking. Even giving the fuckawesome standard to one of them still leaves them with a power weapon.

But I wonder though, if /tg/ had to choose, which super-special upgraded Astartes (yes I know the lore but they're functionally similar) do you think would win, Grey Knights or Custodes? One squad each, equal points value, any GK infantry unit type you think would do best.

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>>49914321
I'm well aware. It just pleases me in a weird way to see old pewter models get crisp new versions.

>>49914402
1v1 melee fight - custodes
Not including named characters

psychic bullshit - GK
Keep in mind GK can summon str D vortex attacks

shooting - GK
GK have an entire codex of shooting wargear
Custodes have fancy boltguns

>>49914464
>1v1 melee fight - custodes
Normal marine, Terminator or Paladin?

>>49914473
Yes

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Looking at the old John Blanche art, I'm pleased at how faithful the new Sisters are to the designs.

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>>49914482

>>49914473
They should be able to 5v1 dreadknights let alone those weak shits

>>49914482
>that dagger
Even the sisters of silence venerate marneus calgar as their spiritual liege, it seems.

Good to know they have patrician taste.

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>>49914495

>>49914504
>They should be able to 5v1 dreadknights
They've never really shown themselves capable of shit like that. They're marines+1, not retardmarchs.

>>49897167
>SoS's are followers of the Imperial Truth and do not worship anyone or thing.

That's assuming the Sisters of Silence don't change at all over the, you know, ten thousand years after the Horus Heresy.

It's not farfetched at all for them to be swept up into Ecclesiarchial thinking, since the vast majority of the Imperium did.

>>49914819
I don't think they will be well liked by other branches of the Imperium. The blankness makes them inherently unlikeable. Also they don't talk so they will be quite alien. Its unlikely they worship the Emperor, do the navigator houses worship the Emperor?

>>49914819
iirc, they remained so in the Beast series that's set in M32.

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>>49896778

The sheer idea of someone trying to assassinate Emperor is hilarious

>>49914482
>>49914495

I do sorta wish they'd gotten power knives like the Custodes. Power Knife + Boltgun would have really sold that 15 points a lot better.

>>49914504
By which I hope you mean 5 Custodes vs 1 Dreadknight, otherwise, you're probably a fucking underage b&fag.

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>>49913660
>The SMs also follow the Imperial Truth

And they're a bunch of heretics for it.

>>49914482
I can imagine, just outside of the frame, an angry Ultramarine rushing after her to get back his sword.

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40kids blown the fuck out once again. When will you babies come and join the adults in 30k?

>>49915481
>"we might just see more of them in future"
>suck it 40kids

Suck what, exactly? The potential of getting proper 40k rules for Custodes and SoS? Perish the thought.

>When will you babies come and join the adults in 30k?

See, /hhg/, these are the kinds of posts that are ruining your game. You taunt people into your game and then bitch about people not "putting in the effort". You get what you deserve.

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>>49894677
>S +1 AP 2, two handed power weapons.
>I5, 2 attacks
>T3 3+ Armor
>mfw
but also:
>15pts vs 20pts (3 models for 60pts vs 4 for 60?)
>Options for bolters and flamers.
>Fantastic anti-psyker rules.
Though to be fair:
>Klaivex (incubi squad sergeant) is much better than a cannoness for the same 10pt upgrade
>WS5 > WS4

Still, I feel a bit upset that my glass hammer Incubi are being out-done by the Imperium. Incubi were one of the last truly unique advantages the DEldar have.

Hell, even Eldar Corsairs can take a shadow field for 15pts cheaper than the DEldar can.

>>49915554
I meant sister superior, not cannoness.

>>49915554
Well lucky for you in 40k they can't even be taken as allied. Only unbound