Horus Heresy General /hhg/

>>49890543
>But what does the shoulderpad DO when hit?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reactive_armour#Non-explosive_and_non-energetic_reactive_armour

probably something similar

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>>49890582
I disagree.
Reposting

>>49890543
They move out of the way when the marine turns around. Raise and lower, like a car suspension. You can glimpse the mechanism here.

>>49890589
They can definitely do that, but if the pauldrons automatically react to movement, why wouldn't you also have them operate on a similar principle to actually existing reactive armours?

They wouldn't stuff all those servos in just for convenience's sake.

>>49890543
Inner hydraulics move in such a way as to try and make a shot glance if possible, also to better black carapace integration automatically makes wearer move in such a way to do the same. Basically your armour is controlling your body motions when shot at. At least it sound like it in my head.

>>49890571
Yeah, I noticed the same afterwards, I hate it when they're shitting in their mouths when they don't make enough of an effort to be consistent in a fictional game.
My headcanon is, as I said before, the numbers had been assigned for systematisation purpose only, by the time the books "are written" only mkVI and mkVII remain in production.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=8LUiWgwYC_I
Botched Alpha Legion infiltration?

>>49890648
>>49890652
>Inner hydraulics move in such a way as to try and make a shot glance if possible
It's kind of hard to do so, as the suit would need to know where a shot is coming from...but it could act as a suspension against blows, like a spring. That could definitely aid in melee, which is where having pauldrons would help the most

>>49890678
Well, remember when we decimated that AL spy. And this guys is using a dagger, a chainsword and eating people's bits, possibly to acquire their gene data.

>>49890775
For sure. Might still be useful against slower/larger projectiles, though.

>>49890775
>where a shot is coming from
Motion sensors aren't much different from visual in principle. It would be ineffective against energy projectiles traveling at the speed of light, but should be good against ballistic ones, as well as in melee like you said.

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>>49890807
The Alpha Legion can drop the ball and make messes when they're found out. His Harrowmaster is going to be disappointed.

>>49890564
Are Adsecularis even worth bringing in an allied Detachment? I want dark mechanicum allies and love the idea of tech Thralls, but I'm struggling with finding a use for them.

>>49890920
They make excellent tar pits when they're fully upgraded. Also use them as bubblewrap for your artillery.

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Only one more week to go.

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>Want to start thousand dindus
>Still have to wait 4+ months for their rules
>No idea what to get for them as of now

>>49890873
True. I do agree with
>>49890601
>IIRC, the pauldron automatically shifts as the wearer moves their arm, allowing for a full(er) range of motion.
Full range of motion is a must. Power armour would no doubt include pistons to move the pauldrons as needd.

>>49891053
They should have access to shields to incrrease their survivability, considering their very presence is a valuable asset. Automated boobplates and all.

What's wrong with lexicanum? It's easier to read than "Let me load the commercials first" 40kwiki

>>49891274
>Automated boobplates

Will they count as assault or defencive grenades?

>>49891293
As a place to find sources, perfectly fine. As a place to use as a source, as bad as wiki. Always use primary sources, never use lexipedia as a source.

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How to make MkVI more Death Guard?

>>49891367

T H I N
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>>49891323
Jesus man, I don't have all 6745375 sources on hand, you know.

>>49891367
It looks you're on the right track but what >>49891377

>>49891221
I feel your pain

>>49891221
>not building a 30k army with generic stuff only
All you really need is a psychic leader. It's not like the TSons were entirely comprised of psykers.

>>49890678
At first it appears to be a Night Lords recon marine.

But by the end it's definitely XII Legion geneseed.

>>49891414
>doesn't have an extensive library of all the codexes, rulebooks, supplements, white dwarfs, etc.

Normies get out.

Besides, you got /hhg/ and /40kg/ OP full of links to all manner of material to download and find the actual source. You'd be surprised how often you can read something even on Lexicanum and when you read the actual material where that piece is sourced to, the text say something entirely different.

>>49891377
>>49891433
It's not my mini, it's just an example I could find online. My question was how to make MkVI more DG than just paint it white/green/brass.

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>>49891510

>>49891510
I'd say that, wherever possible, have the armour be decked out with molecular bonding studs and reinforcement.

Also weathering.

>>49891491
I do have that, but mostly for codex of the things I like. And I'm not downloading all the WD, my internet has been failling lately. That's why I didn't check the MkVI bit supposedly being in WD129.

>>49891510
>less purity seal
>more studs
>more battle damage
Otherwise I'd be grateful on a bunch of MkVI as I'd like to have my AL Seekers, Veterans and Headhunters in that mark.

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>>49891510

When are preorders and such normally on the nz gw website?

>>49891923
11pm UK time, so should be about 3 hours.

>>49891458
>It's not like the TSons were entirely comprised of psykers.

Thats exactly what they were you dingus

>>49891979
THEN WHO WAS RUBICAE?

>>49891979
Ahriman's Rubrik transformed all non-psykers into dust.

>>49891979
don't make me get the wolf stick and beat the stupid out of you again

I enjoy that AL are more Tzeentch than TS
TS can't even do that right

>>49892101
S-shut up anon! A-all is not yet d-dust.

>>49891999
Wasn't it specifically those below a certain power level?

>>49890829
> slower or larger projectiles
Jeez dude how fucking dumb are you. They are all going at Mach OHMYGOD by the time they hit. I very much doubt the size of the projectile would somehow make it more manageable.

>>49891919
Underrated post

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>>49892282
yep, source from 4th ed chaos dex

>Horus Heresy
>heresy
>belief or opinion contrary to orthodox religious (especially Christian) doctrine
>everyone except the WB is atheist
hmmm really makes you think

>>49892383
So this whole time, the Thousand Sons we've known and loved in 40k were only the atypical ones?

>>49892292
>They are all going at Mach OHMYGOD by the time they hit.
uh, no.

Also, being able to adjust the angle a shaped charge (in 40k terms: a krak grenade/rocket) hits your giant panel of armour is relevant, even if only slightly.

>>49892408
I mean, heresy was the name for it after the imperium became religious. I'm prerty sure 30k people just think of it as a betrayal or civil war.

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>>49891306
The Emperor has equiped them with ballistics.

>>49892417
not really? The bulk of the legion's always been the non-magic or otherwise untalented dudes.

Chances are FW's rules will give squad leaders the option to take Brotherhood of Psykers, but I wouldn't expect them to go beyond that for the plebs.

>>49892417
Depends how you look at things, the fluff only focused on the powerful psykers anyway.

So yes, the 40k ones are the atypical astartes, but none of the typical ones had much screen time anyway, literally a legions of mary sues.

>>49892408
>World War One has been atrocious!
>Why are you calling the Great War like that?
>Ooooh, just you wait...

>>49891919
It is one option, but the mask could really use some tubing or something and I just don't have patience to model some two dozen sets of cables.

For some reason I have a memory of a MkVI with tubing on the sides, but it could have been an old MkIV instead.

>>49892101
I enjoy the fact the KSons avoided the Alpha Legion like a plague, hope it gets clearer as to why in Inferno.

>>49892408
The name probably came about later. Don't think they called the Napoleonic Wars "the Napoleonic Wars" as they were being fought.

Funny thing, though, the name "the First World War" was used as early as 1914, not because they expected more, but mostly because it was considered the first of its kind, a WORLD war, fought across the globe.

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Barthusa Narek is my favorite HH character so far. Who is yours?

>>49892709
>incessant need to know
vs
>autistic tier secrecy and obfuscation

Plus I'm guessing all of them were psychically shielded so nobody would know about the twins

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>>49892709

>Magnus thinks they're dirty schemers who hide knowledge and doesn't want his legion to end up like that

>>49892784
>But...victory

>>49892800
>>49892902
I'm holding hope it's them being sociopathic cunts driving nearby Sons mad.

>>49892784
John Grammaticus

>>49892543
>Chances are FW's rules will give squad leaders the option to take Brotherhood of Psykers, but I wouldn't expect them to go beyond that for the plebs.
I reckon some kind of psyker rule will be in their legion rules, sure the majority of the legion wasn't psychic but a massive proportion were, so much so that they based their tactics and strategies on heavy psychic support.

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>>49892784
Shame FW won't do a model any time soon. And even if they do, they probably won't have him wearing his awesome hat.

I want a Dorn model

What do in the meantime?

>>49893096
Drugs?

>>49892784
>anyone but based Lil' Horus

>>49893096
>buy guilliman model
>replace awesome sword with shit chain sword
>replace awesome bolter with shit bolter
>replace awesome power fist with nothing
>add greenstuff mustache
>paint yellow

>>49893096
Get his transport ready for him: acquire a big lump of solid gold, and beat it into the shape of a thunderhawk. It'll be cheaper than a resin thunderhawk, after all.

>>49893216
Where does this meme of Dorn having a mustache come from? All artwork has him clean shaven

>>49893255
Fan art and the idea that IF are space prussians, same with Russ because everyone thinks he's a viking therefore he must have a beard.

>>49893043
>sure the majority of the legion wasn't psychic but a massive proportion were
Blood Ravens are said to have an unusual proportion of librarians, described as "two full squads in the first company".
That's 20 dudes. I thought 2% (20/1000) was a tiny amount of psykers, maybe the TS have it at 10%, being generous. Do we have numbers about either pre-heresy or post Rubric TS?

When did the GW logo change to a TS head on their site?

>>49893267
There are definitely more, since like every Heresy TS character we've met has been a psyker.

>>49893267
post rubric it was ~1200 marines turned into ~1100 rubrics and ~100 master psykers. As specified here >>49892383 the spell also turned weaker psykers into rubrics but isn't clear on what the level is.

>>49893287
BoP releases tomorrow

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>>49893220

>>49893304
>>49893290
I guess I'll wait 5 months to do numbers.

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>>49893216
>buy guilliman model

Doesnt have enough eagles.

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>>49893322
buy this too

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>>49893322
>To yoür glory and the glory of Him on Terra
I love how this is a signed pinup of Dorn to his secret admirer. I mean, look at his visage: that's his sex face.

>>49893267
>>49893304
Exactly 1292 Thousand Sons were teleported by Magnus at the culmination of the wolfing of Prospero, we have that number as an undisputable fact (Talon of Horus, Khayon formerly of KSons gives it).

>>49893311
No, just pre-order. Actual release is a week from now.

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>>49893368
Rogal is a man of many emotions

>>49893381
>at the culmination of the wolfing of Prospero
I wouln't use that number to determine the rate of psyker-gene incidence, mainly because that's the legion's survivors. If you killed everyone but the Emperor, mankind's psyker count would rise to 100%, see?
It's alright, only 6 months and Inferno will answer all questions.

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>>49893050
But anon, he does have a model.

A good model on the other hand...

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>>49893416
NO MAN, C'TAAN OR CHAOS GOD IS ALLOWED TO BE MORE AURIC THAN THE EMPEROR.

It's on the NZ website now.

>>49893426
How curious, a completely blank image.

>>49893425
>Exactly 1292 Thousand Sons were teleported by Magnus
Oh, this isn't a definitive number of the Thousand Sons, Khayon himself is among those who weren't at Prospero at the time. It's safe to assume the absent numbered in hundreds, if not few thousands.

>>49893441
The splash animation is, the actual box's store page doesn't seem to be loading for me yet.

>>49893381
1,292,000 sons!

>>49893416
Where's his chainsword?

>>49893497
Wait, weren't there about 10 000 TS? Were they literally a mere fucking thousand marines?! Not even the EC or SW were so few.

>>49893591
They were reduced to 1,000 sons once or twice before it happened again at Prospero.

>>49893591
We'll know for sure after Inferno but the thousand were reduced to a thousand before being united with Magnus after which their numbers probably swelled to 10k+ marines but were again reduced to a smaller number after the wolves raided prospero.

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>>49893455
It will always remind me of Ecce Homo.
>>49893618
As in the Early Crusade, right? Magnus arrived to a legion of 1000 and rebuilt, just like Fulgrim (who arrived to like 200-300 marines).

>>49893255
I never get why people think all primarchs looked exactly the same for all the ~200 years of the crusade

maybe Dorn had a mustache at one time and then he shaved it off

>>49893591
>>49893618
>flesh change - reduced to about 1000 marines - Magnus found
1st time
>some sent away, those remaining are reduced to 1292 by wolves and change
2nd time
>further drop in numbers until the Rubric
How dense are you people?

>>49893632
I see. Even so, it's a shame they were a failure (again!). Imagine, a legion that simply cannot exist. I wonder how it went for the Wolvers, borderline mutants as well.
>>49893663
I don't know the story, man. I didn't give a fuck about them until book 7 was delayed and I got bored. I can read the previous 6 only so many times.

https://www.games-workshop.com/resources/PDF/Datasheets/Burning%20of%20Prospero%20Imperial%20Datasheets.pdf

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>>49893426
The resemblance is uncanny...

>>49893497
>Khayon himself is among those who weren't at Prospero at the time
What? Khayon WAS at prospero, it's where he got his axe and wolf from

>>49893043
Grey Knights are all high level psykers but that's not how it's represented on tabletop
And in the fiction they have levels inc v low level
If you want to justify it - only the greatest psykers can use their powers in battle due to split in attention / only the most grossly powerful powers are represented

>>49893734
Holy shit, does this confirm the sisters of silence are still operating by 40k?

>>49893734
>SoS
>150pts. for 30 S4 AP2 I5 attacks on a charge

Seems legit.

>>49893837
40k rules...

>>49893753
Te la mamaste

>>49893784
They still run the Black Ships, don't they?

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>>49893734
And in the background...

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>>49893784
I WANT MUH 40K REDUCTOR

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>>49893784
>warzone fenris 2
>going to include daemon magnus as well as ahriman
>book is about them slowly fucking up SW's shit up
>suddenly the Sisters of Silence arrive and start pushing traitor shit in

>>49893854
How much do you expect them to change in 30k?

>>49893734
>No roolz for tartarsauce termies

Why!?

>>49893837
>t3 with a 3+ save

yeah have fun with that

>>49893734
260 points for 5 custodians... I know those are 40k points, but it's funny because one of the podcasts (Radio Free Isstvan I think?) felt that they'd have to be well over 100 points each to be balanced. That was with a rumored statline and slew of special rules that may have exceeded these.

>>49893921
Gotta wait till Angels of Death 2 :^)

>>49893908
Well 40k Cataphractii have some bullshit about rerolling invuln saves right? So there could be some wiggle room.

>>49893734
>40k rules

Oh boy, more melee-centric units for grav to wipe off the board before it even gets close

>>49893756
I think he meant to say that Khayon didn't get teleported to Soritarius but got his words wrong.
Khayon managed to split with his sister somehow before the Russ v Magnus main event and subsequent surviving Sons bouncing out.

>>49893960
Just the Termi captain has that

>>49893992
Still not a 30k rule. But, I really doubt anything here will change.

>>49893756
Oh yeah, my bad. Barched him with Arvida as both were found by other legions on Prospero (if I'm not confusing it again).

>>49893734
I think those shields might work for cheapo Suzerwhatsits.

Interesting.

FOCUS YOUR ATTENTION HERE

the only volkite in BoP is one volkite charger for the terminator sergeant

NO NOT HERE THE LOWER CASE MESSAGE ABOVE HERE
>>49893921
They do, just in IA books

>>49894022
Yeah Arvida was found by the WS and Khayon by World Eaters IIRC

>>49894017
Ya, but that is just to sell that one specific model they have for cata termi captain.

atm I'm sitting back waiting to see how disenfranchised this mess will make me feel. If Magnus can end titans in fluff but is hard countered by a single squad of sisters when it took an army to inconvenience him at Prospero, I will be mildly annoyed.

>>49893930
>not putting them into a transport

>>49893885
Looks like a normal contemptor.

I dont think the rules will change much for 30k, when does the WD come out anyways?.

>3 five man squads of Custodes are almost 1000pts

And their not even that great, sure they're cool as fuck but they seem to be a bit underwhelming imo. Im still making an army out of them and using them as bodyguard for Dorn.

>>49894059
Their aura doesn't work from inside vehicles and they should be pretty easy to shoot.

>>49894059
>it took an army to inconvenience him at Prospero

Was he fighting the entire army in the field by himself? Just hulking out and throwing tanks around and shit?

>>49894049
Also
>5 pairs of power fists
>11 chainswords
So you can dualwield powerfists and chainswords, but you can only have left handed chainfists, so no Amit for you

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Fresh memes from B&C

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>>49894110
You've got to be kidding

>>49894078
WD comes out in normally the last week of the month, but I've been getting my subscription a few days early. So probably next Wednesday I'll have scans for us

>>49894078
I'm thinking of making a small force to ally with my Army, which I've been crafting out to be from Terra.

>>49894110
What do we think of their scale, are they insize for what you think a human would look like, does it follow the 6 head rule

>>49893734
These Custodians are what Space Marines should be power and points wise.

>>49894090

Been a while since I read it but he was dueling russ while transmuting lakes into acid and shit with sisters nearby

>>49893734
NO ASSAULT GRENADES

LR rules are up 400pts !

>>49894219
Sorry, false alarm, just temp shitty rules. A paragon Blade, a power axe and an Iron Halo. WS9 A6 though.

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>>49894110
There are several kinds of Sisters of Silence, right? Abyssal and Oblivion Knights. Damn, those are cool names. Oblivions are the black-clad ones, right?

will the Propsero box come with paints? I've never bought any 30k stuff before, just been interested in the lore, but I'm interested to start.

>>49894336
No

>>49894336

no just a bunch of sprues

>>49894361
>>49894362
thanks

>>49894336
Paints can get expensive (the whole hobby's expensive, really), so I'd try to pick a legion or other army first and then we can tell what tools and paints you'll need to start, and whether this box is a good place for you to start.

>>49894145
In that position she's about 5¾ heads tall, I'd say that in an upright stance, the proportions are right.
Let's just not talk about her lower jaw or lack thereof. (Maybe they get it replaced with the metal visor to fulfill their silent vow?)

>>49893734
I hate how those are painted in comparison to the box set ones

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sorry for a newfag question, but how does GW do pre-orders?
Do you pay the full price then it gets shipped on release, or do you pay some of it but have to have it fully paid by release?

asking because $150 doesn't play nice with my weekly budget, but two weeks of $75 do

>>49893734
>Fuckhueg sword of huegness
>S(User) AP3
???
And they're using regular bolter rounds instead of at least Kraken bolts?

>>49894410
>Paints can get expensive

Really? Its 5$ for a pot of paint and I still have some that Ive bought years ago that I can still use.

Still, for someone thats just beginning I recommend buy a can of spray paint, either army painter or tamiya, as the main color of whatever army they chose and then just wash that with the same main color then paint some details, bam, you got your dudes ready.

>>49894444
Full price. Always full price.

Try talking it over with the owner of the FLGS?

>>49894427
>Let's just not talk about her lower jaw or lack thereof
What are you talking about? It's right there, behind the armour.

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Finally.

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>>49893734
>Mfw none of their weapons is Master-Crafted

>>49894483
$315 Aussiebucks? Ouch!

>>49894449
Depending on how much detail you put on the model you may need 20 or so paints

>>49893734
>no grenades
>I4
>no FnP
>no special bodyguard ability

When taking the Guardian Spear:
>no invuln
>rapid fire gun without Relentless
>no BS2 snapshots

When taking the Sentinel Blade & Storm Shield:
>powersword
>no Block

I guess if you want to jam a unit forever the shields make them an utter bitch to remove as chewing through 2+/3++ T5 W2 Eternal Warriors will take forever, but their damage potential is quite shit against other dedicated melee specialists. And the lack of an invuln will come to bite them in the ass in a hurry if they take the spear, since they can't block shooting.
tl;dr: They are rather disappointing for their cost.

>[The silent sisters] can be assembled as Vigilators, who specialise in melee and carry executioner greatswords, Prosecutors, who operate more flexibly and carry bolters for longer-range combat and Witchseekers, who carry flamers for devastating multi-target assaults.
Sounds like weapon-mixing will be a no-go in 30k rules. Would make sense given that's how space marines operate in 30k (tactical support squads, for example).

>>49894512
Kiwibux, so it's even worse.

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And the How To Paint guide has instructions for all 18 legions. That's neat. Not neat enough for me to buy it but, still, neat.

>>49894553

Does anyone have the full document? That would be pretty handy to have in the Mega.

>>49894530
You can both shoot the bolter and assault normally, but the other things you said are true, especially their power swords being regular power swords with a pistol in the handle. You can do the same with regular power swords and regular power pistols. It also makes their power knives (which are fucking power swords as well) the most redundant +1a weapon ever.

...I also wanted Custodian power fists

https://www.games-workshop.com/en-NZ/Betrayal-at-Calth-and-Burning-of-Prospero-Bundle

Oh, if I but had the money...

>>49894606
It's just up for preorder now, but yeah, it would be a darn handy document if some kind anon picked it up.

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>>49894617

>>49894611

No you can shoot it and use it in assault. It doesn't say anything about being able to charge after shooting rapid fire weapons.

>>49894449
I mean it's a lot to start, because you're buying:
clippers
knives
pin vise
plastic cement
superglue
primer
4+ paint pots
2-3 brushes
generic legiones astartes red book
legions red book
minis
basing material
table
game mat
dice
camera
light box
carrying case
titan maniple

>>49894611
AP2 or AP3 Rending would have been the utter minimum I'd have expected. AP3 weapons are a dime a dozen, Custodes should have better stuff.
Also, how are you shooting the boltgun and assaulting afterwards? Am I missing something?

>>49894663
The swords have Assault 2 bolters.

In 40k, at least.

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>>49894655
>>49894663
I assumed "using the bolter" meant using it in all the sense of the word.

>>49894611
>>49894655
I assume the ability to shoot and use the sword is for overwatch, given the bolt caster has a special rule for that.

>>49894663
>>49894687
assault 2 bolters snapshotting at bs2. I'm actually surprised they're so goddamn cheap points-wise, but hopefully our spiritual liege bligh will set a limit to how many you can take in a loyal force.

>>49894336
No, it comes with sprues, dice, bases and rules for the BoP: board game, NOT 40 or 30k rules.
So in order to use it you will need
Clippers
Plastic or Superglue
Primer and other paints
40k rulebook and codex astartes or the FW books. Scans for the books can be found in the mega pastebin in the OP

>>49894691
That just means it can shoot and fight with it, but nothing about charging despite being a Rapid Fire gun.

>>49894444
You buy for it like any other item, and if there's a preorder item in your basket, you pay for it in full, and then it ships when the last item is released

>>49894711
>>49894714
I what way "A model equipped with X can shoot it as Y, and can do both in the same turn" prevents you from fully using both weapon components? It literally says you can use both in the same turn.
>>49894733
How can anyone use both a bolter and a CCW in his own turn (instead of the enemy's) if it didn't mean you are allowed to charge?

>>49894483
Late to the party but at least you joined us
RIP to the plastic volkite squads I wanted to make

>>49894759
Editing laziness.

>>49894773
Boooooo. Stuff was being pushed back and they still deliver shitty rulz.

>>49894759
>what prevents you
The rules for rapid fire weapons, in the main 40k rulebook.

And again, it CAN use the thing as both in one turn: if the custodes get charged they can fire the bolt caster in overwatch and then use the sword in close combat. There's no redundancy in that sentence being in the rules.

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Custodes Terminators?

>>49894766
one volkite gun in a squad of 5 is more fucked up than selling packs of 10 hot dogs and 12 buns. they're 7 fucking points each so you need them in groups of 5 to not trigger the points autists (me)

>>49894813
In your turn. Use both in your turn.

>>49894617
How much is that in real money?

>>49894846
take whatever Calth costs in your local currency and multiply it by two

>>49894831

Relentless from a Termi character? Relentless from a psykic power?

>>49894831
Except it doesn't say your turn, it just says turn. And don't forget that many other shooty-choppy sticks are are either/or on the same turn, so if you used it for Overwatch you had to punch the enemy..

>>49894831
I was replying to the first half of your post, about the sentinel blade, not the general question in the second half.

>>49894815
Cataphracti with those stats and special rules would be pretty murderous. Hopefully the flame spear has some interesting special rules, since the common fist/gun combo is very boring here.

>>49894831
>In your turn.

Rule doesn't say "in your turn", it says "the same turn." Your opponent's turn is also your turn. Or if you're enemy is assaulting you and you Overwatch on them.

It purely means you can use the shooty bit and the stabby bit in the same turn, if the situation arises, but nothing in the rules lets them fire the bolter and assault, because nothing in the rules gets around the Rapid Fire restrictions.

>>49893837
T3, 3+ save, no dedicated transport, probably unable to borrow other armies transport vehicles soon.

Those 30 attacks are totally going to make it into CC, lol.

>>49894823
Why not take searchlights to even it out?

>>49893734

How do they ally with other armies without having slots? I thought you still needed HQ+2 Troops for allied detachments. I'll admit, I've never paid a heap of attention to the ally rules until now.

>>49894856
Was expecting the bundle to actually have a discount, but I guess not.

>>49894862
That's too damn specific.
>>49894865
>>49894885
Except it doesn't say your enemy's turn, it just says turn
>don't forget that many other shooty-choppy sticks are are either/or on the same turn
That's a better argument I was forgetting. I believe ork flamers behave this way? I don't know much about xenos codexes.

>>49894909
GW bundles only give discounts if they're actually a separate repackaging.

>>49894894
You're awfully hopeful that they're not going to get access to a transport at any point. I admire that. It keeps the game alive, regardless of reality.

>>49894916

That's how you get around rapidfire and not being able to charge on every other unit in the game.

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FW is just russ and russ bundle

>>49894916
>Except it doesn't say your enemy's turn

So that means if you Overwatch with the spear, you can't use it in close combat.

When the rules say "turn", it usually means a game turn. "Your turn" and such are used to determine when it's less than that.

>>49894916
40k main rulebook, page 41:
>Some weapons can be used in combat as well as shooting. Where this is the case, there will be a separate line in the weapon's profile for each, and you can choose which to use each turn.

>>49894920
>didn't put the two into a super package with an even deeper discount

Thank god I have two BaC boxes already, so I don't need a 3rd.

>>49894934
>Image says mk4 pads
>Description says mk3
Whut do?

>>49894815
What for, if they can take a storm shield to get a 3+ invulnerable save over their 2+ normal save?

>>49894972
Don't buy it, because it's retarded.

>>49894966
!
AAAAAAAAAAARGH GIVE CUSTODES RELENTLESS THEN11!!!
I mean, they already deepstrike.
>Melee AP2 killed the bolter star

>>49894916
Burnas are either AP3 melee weapon or regular old flamers. Can't use both modes during the same turn.
With the guardian spear it would become relevant if you stuck a SnP provider with them (a rule that I loathe, by the by), or had a psyker provide them with Relentless. Otherwise the wording mentions nothing of charging or the like.

>>49894973
To get +2 strength halberds with Sweeping Blow, and flamer harpoons

>>49894930
Because every other army or units that want to get in CC get decent transportation from GW ! .... right ?
>chaos marines

>>49894973
Terminators can have an Invul. save and spears most likely, and not be waving around powersword

>>49894934

Does he come with rules?

>>49894973
Because terminators are awesome.

>>49895003
why?

And yeah, praetor-tier dudes are going to chew custodes up. But that's what happens in the fluff, too.

>>49895013
>>49894973
>>49894815
Will Custodian termies be Very Bulky?
I wanted them to have a Lascannon as a heavy weapon option, like Justaerin have a Multimelta
>>49895023
To shoot bolter poleweapons more often. It's not like bolters are such a powerful weapon, but they'd be nice to use.

>>49895017
No

>>49895013
>chaos marines

Put them in Land Raider, drive close, disembark, assault. Or get a Spartan and put more in, drive close, disembark, assault. Or a Storm Eagle. What else? Dreadclaws.

>decent

If you want to move the goalpost there, sure, but I didn't say anything about a decent transport, just a transport.

>>49893734

It really feels hard to justify bolter SoS when that melee weapon exists.

>>49895003
Don't forget that they don't have assault grenades, so stumble about at I1 when assaulting into cover. Their rules are kind of weird, all in all.

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>Bolters on their spears but no relentless
>not even grenades or pistols to use before charging in
>only powerswords when using stormshields
>no assault grenades
>no way to even scratch a Dreadnought
>no transport vehicle yet

Man the Emperor's personal bodyguard are a joke.

I am kinda confused by the Custodes, if I am honest. Their swords are very shit for what they're worth and the spears leave them fairly vulnerable, because stuff that kills TEQs kills custodes just as well, or even better due to the lack of a native invuln or FnP.
The other niggling issues like the lack of grenades just adds to that.

>>49895106
>implying there is anything higher on the food chain than a dreadnought

>>49895106
It's just rules for everything that's in the kit. Just like Cataphractii in 40k don't get rules for reaper autocannons or plasma blasters, because they don't come in the kit.

>>49895106
Even ultra suzies are better.

No ones going to take the spears because they'll just get plasma'd to death. And the swords are AP3? Really?

But they might just be 40k port rules after all

>>49895106
These rules are so half-assedly thrown together, I am kinda shocked.
There's just no ryme or reason to it all, or at least it feels that way,

>>49894958
backwards, turn is player turn unless specifically states game turn, BRB pg 17.

>>49894444
Then don't spend $75 the first week and $150 won't be a problem.

>>49895180
>No ones going to take the spears

I will, a 10 man squad of mixed options seems to be a good option as you can block some attacks, then tank some wounds with the stormshield dudes. Best of both worlds but its gonna cost 580pts which is ridiculous but still will do it.

For the Block special rule I assume that its if a unit hits Custodes on a 4+ the Custodes have to roll a 5+ to block it, right? The roll has to be higher than the roll to hit needed when comparing weapon skills, right?.

>>49891221

I'm in a similar quandry with BA, but I came to the realisation that, by and large, the worthwhile units are worthwhile in every legion. If nothing else, the contents of BaC/BoP give you enough to be getting on with, especially if you're sensible enough to use some magnets so you can swap them out as tacticals, support, heavy support etc. That way you can commit without really committing.

Also, I've decided to make some AL to occupy me in the mean time. Just acquired some interference blue/green paint for the very task, I relish the challenge.

>>49893220

Keks aside, gold is rocking at about $40/£33 per gram. It's a dense metal. A solid gold rhino (assuming no internal voids) would be worth somewhere in the region of $300000.

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>>49894934
Paying £330 for that??
Russ = 70
BoP = 95
Shipping = 30(10% of product price)
some bodies, shoulder pads, and power weapons = 100+

The NZ GW's Prospero and White Dwarf bundle is only $132 NZD, order it now before they correct their mistake

>>49895210
Fair enough. Still, it just says you can use it as a shooting and close combat attack in both turns, not that he can assault with it.

>>49895068
>What bolter?

>>49895354
did people really think they were all getting paragon blades

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>>49895134
ANOTHER DREADNOUGHT, THAT'S WHAT.

>>49895274
I interpreted it as being vs the ACTUAL to hit roll, since the only wording it uses involves the actual roll.

This would mean you can't block a to hit roll of 6 would b unblockable?

>>49895392
Rending would have been nice. Also have you seen seem the guardian spear profile? They basically are paragon blades, without the murderous strike rule.

>>49895392
>handcrafted demi primarchs, each one a masterpiece of gene tech, with the best training the imperium can have and the best armoury it has. And Big E's personal Bros.

Yes

>>49895392
Not even +1S, man. Honestly, I thought the FUCKHUEG sword of huegness was going to be at least AP2.
No +1S Murderous Strike, just AP2
>>49895428
Rending for the Knife, if any. It could serve against MCs or stuff that way.

>>49895354
>Exceptionally fine craftmanship
>Not a single weapon is Master Crafted
Terra confirmed El Cheapo's armoury. Not even the Salamander sgts use such pleb weaponry.

>>49895180
>>49895106
You know you can mix and match the squads.
Throw two guys infront with 2+3++ and have the rest with spears and the Vexilla. 5 guys have 41 attacks on the charge. T5 Eternal Warrior.

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>>49895354
>tfw your regular Sgt Calibanite swords are better than Custodian Sentiel Blades
Kek, someone punch my head off.

>>49894934
>https://www.games-workshop.com/en-NZ/Betrayal-at-Calth-and-Burning-of-Prospero-Bundle
Is he the only primarch but Angron not carrying dakka?

>>49895476
It has nothing to do with mixing and everything to do with the Legio Custodes having a shit power sword.

>>49895428
Yeah, I dig that the spears have a mechanical advantage over the swords. I also dig that it's gong to force people to actually make a decision about how they arm the dudes instead of everyone just mindlessly going for the 3++ on everyone.

>>49895409
can a leviathan beat its points in boxnoughts, though

>>49895493
Even Nails for Brains has a Mastercrafted plasma gun
>>49895498
>boxnoughts
Cortus killed the Boxnought star
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wd_pU80mGXk

>>49895498
>can a leviathan beat its points in boxnoughts, though

No, because one boxnought will eat all the attacks, the other 2 will rape the leviathan back, at most he kills 2 throughout 2 assault phases.

>>49895522
truly, the pack of boxnoughts is the apex predator of the istvaangeti

>>49895498
I'm still going to build them all with spears, gotta love that classic look.

If this guy at my store decides to start his IW and buys BoP, I'll be buying the Custodians off him and building them with shields.

>>49895522
>Hurr durr, I also let my Leviathan be outnumbered in melee instead of attacking from a distance using its 4++ and Ciclonic Melta Array against its front AV12, who gives a fuck about Armoured Ceramite when you have a 3-shot Lascannon
Call Guiliman, we found his replacement
>>49895540
>AV13
>5++ front
>+1I
What is the Cortus?

Anybody else notice that the swords and the power knives of the Custodes have the exact same profile in melee ?

>TFW your sword is just 12'' bolter

>>49895582
>What is the Cortus?
almost twice the price of a box

>>49895493
His placeholder rules give him a combibolter

>>49895611
Cortus are like 10 to 20 points more than the equivalent armed boxnought

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>>49895586
Yes, I asked for it to be at least Rending or something. It's a literal power sword. I'd say it's a power pugio or at least a short gladius
>>49895611
>Literally +10pts gives you a shitton of rules.

>>49895611
Cortus is 10 more points than a stand alone box, you a shit

>>49895641
>>49895637
>>49895640
that's 10 hundred points too much. I ain't operating a charity legion.

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>>49895613
>combibolter
>paragon blade
>power axe

No wonder he was constantly getting shit on by the rest of the primarchs. Leman Russ? More like Fucking Pathetic.

>>49895651
Maybe don't take artificer armour on your sergeant then?

>>49895672
Just his placeholder rules, but yeah, they could have given him more punch.

>>49895672
>literally no reason to attack with the axe
I know they are just temporary rules but ffs forgeworld

>>49895613
Placeholder rules where? >>49895493's link is the bundle

>>49895727
Check the Russ only page, in the downloads section.

Tldr is ws 9 then a bunch of sixes

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Isn't it a little strange that the Ultramarines have no wolf iconography despite being based on Roman style?

>>49895753
the wolf wolves and the moon wolves took all the wolves

>>49895753
There can only be two legions with a shared theme.

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>>49895753
>>49895770
>>49895824
Those are Velitii, anon. Literal plebz disbanded after the Marian reforms. The Ultramarines are based after these reforms, so they use legionnaries (milites) as a general soldier, and auxilia as, well, as auxilliaries.
Eeasy peasy lemon squeezy.
It is the Taghmata (google the name) the ones who are modelled after the pre-Marian reform roman infantry, using maniples, cohorts, Triarii (vehicle) and even Lorica as armour.

>>49895753
Same reason IW don't have any greek stuff sans names

>>49895852
Srry, Velites is already plural.

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>>49895860
>MFFW IT'S THE IMPERIAL FISTS WHO GET THE PHALANX AND THE IRON HANDS GET THE BITTER IRON

>>49895903
And then WS get Companion Cavalry as dildobike UU

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>>49893663
Jesus Christ what a failure of a legion.

kek

>>49895948
all traitor legions are failures, no need to state the obvious

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>>49895928
FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCKK.
Why must we be stuck with the "Corrosive bitterness" memes? It is the O V E R S H A F T I N G

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I posted two threads back, wanted to update the list from the feedback I got.

New 30k / NL player pls help.

+++ NL - Terror (2500pts) +++

+ Lord of War (435pts) +

Konrad Curze (435pts) [Primarch]
····Master of the Legion [Terror Assault]

+ HQ (140pts) +

Chaplain (140pts)
[Chainfist, Tartaros Terminator Armour with Combi-bolter and Power Weapon, Teleportation Transponder]

+ Troops (1130pts) +

Legion Assault Squad (335pts)
[Combat Shields, 14x Legion Assault Space Marines, 3x Power Weapon]
Legion Assault Sergeant [Artificer Armour, Power Weapon]


3x Terror Squad (265pts) [9x Executioner, Flamer, 8x Volkite Charger]
····Headsman [Melta Bombs, Nostraman Chainglaive, Power Armour]

+ Elites (575pts) +

Contemptor-Mortis Dreadnought (185pts) [Two Twin-linked Lascannons]

Legion Terminator Squad (390pts) [4x Chainfist, 9x Legion Terminators, Tartaros Terminator Armour with Combi-bolter and Power Weapon, Teleportation Transponder]
····Legion Terminator Sergeant [Chainfist]

+ Heavy Support (220pts) +

Deredeo Pattern Dreadnought (220pts) [Aiolos Missile Launcher]

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>>49895971
>bop didn't arrive yet
>thread's a cesspool

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>>49896054
I told you about those big plastic releases dawg. I warned you.

And with the staggered release of inferno, this pain train's going to be running a very long time.

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>>49896054
It could be worse. Your legion could be defeated by kites.

>>49895948
Thousand Sons were always a small legion and if it wasn't for Magnus their gene seed would have wiped them out during the Great Crusade. Not their fault The Emperors designs were dodgy.

>>49895852
Taghmata is a greek name used for elite, standing regiments who served the Byzantine Basileus. Lorica is just latin for armor and wolf pelts were used by Romans throughout their history as a sign of bravery.

>>49896041
>5 chainfists
What are you going against, anon?

>>49896297

The canned soup isle of the local grocery store.

>>49896287
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Velites
>They did carry small wooden shields called parma for protection though, and wore a headdress made from wolf skin so their brave deeds could be recognized
>Velites were eventually disbanded after the Marian reforms

Back in the day nobody called bizantines to the bizantines. They called themselves romans because that's what they were, and everybody called them greeks because that's what they spoke.
Lorica is indeed the word for armour (like gladius means "sword"), but names are what we are talking about here.
MCs come in maniples
When transporting your units, it comes down to the Triarii
The Mechanicum division for building spaceships is the Basilikon Astra
Kataphrons are armoured servitors, not unlike the armoured Cataphract cavalry. There are Ballistarius, etc...

If not really based on pre-marian Romans (and greeks), then at least the generality of the Mechanicum speaks greek.

>mfw Lingua Technis is undecipherable because it's greek translated to binary
11001110 10011100 11001111 10001101 11001111 10000011 11001111 10000100 11001110 10110111 11001111 10000010 00100000 11001110 10111100 11001110 10110111 11001111 10000111 11001110 10110001 11001110 10111101 11001110 10101101 11001111 10000010 00001101 00001010 00001101 00001010

>>49894110
I wish they wouldnt highlight the foreheads so hard. It makes them look like angry dykes without eyebrows.

>>49896041
Consider splitting your termie squad into two squads, thats a massive pile of overkill. you'll never need more than two chainfists per unit, and its best to give them to non-characters so they cant be challenged out. Give them a powerfist instead. Other than that, pretty good. I'd skip the Mortis dread and either take a second chaplain if you take two units of termies, or a cortus dread with one CC arm. You've got lots of scoring units, an absolute beatstick in Batman, decent anti-air in the Dorito and no obvious weaknesses. You know about the 2+ stealth/shrouded/spooky astartes cover save on first turn trick for your assault squad, right?

>>49896297
Leviathans, Deredeo , Sicarian's and the occasional Knight

That said, I'm struggling to figure out how 30k terminators should be outfitted. Seems like for NL at least you should just use them as Suicide squads gunning for armor

>>49896536
...they aren't?

>>49896545
No anon what is this 2+ magic you're talking about. I'm still learning how NL bully opponents

Guys, I'm torn between doing RG, NL, White Scars and Fists.

Please help

>>49896767
Fists.

>>49896767
Ave Dominus Socks

>>49896767

Good taste.

Fists.

>>49896767
Victorus aut Mortis, brother

>>49896767
Have you considered Bearing the Word of Perturabo :^)

>>49896767
White Scars fag, lemme explain why

>Fucking no one plays us, you get to join our secret club
>Paintscheme that will earn you mad respect when done well
>Damn good legion rules and weapons, one pretty good RoW, one more situational
>Get to be a badass biker
>get to be a badass mongolian
>get to be a badass biker mongolian
>Khan was the most based primarch, didn't give a fuck about the crusade or imperium, just wanted to cruise around conquering places while reciting poetry
>Keshig will probably be based when they get released, something like cataphractii except they can fly or some shit like that

There are many more reasons, but you get the idea

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Red Butchers just look like they're doing aggressive yoga.

>>49896959
Thing is I study Mongolia(archaeology) and do Love them, but I want that sweet sweet Prospero mkIII.
>>49896875
Carpe Noctum, but as above the mkIII
>>49896864
>>49896787
But why?

>>49896808
You reminded me that I don't want to be like curzefag

>>49897016
>But why?

Yellow.

>>49897016
>but I want that sweet sweet Prospero mkIII.
so get transports

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>>49892784
>traitor who wants to deny the 17th holy synergy with the empyrean

>>49897016
White Scars were known for how much they used MKIII nigga, remember most of the heresy they weren't really in a position to be engaging in open ground battles with the warmasters forces, so their bikes didn't see much use.

Instead they were using their superfast ships to harrow the warmasters forces in raids on their ships and zone mortalis missions, where MKIII realy shined and they used it most.

>>49896699
You get a five-up cover save every first tirm that cant be stacked with cover. You can stack it with stealth and shrouded though, both of which batman has native, so plonk him with twenty man assault squad/fifteen raptors and enjoy dodging everything short of a typhon
since you'll get night fighting on a 2+, that means most games you'll have a 4+ at the start anyway as well. Never forget the big pile of bonuses you get during night fighting and outnumbering

>>49897144
Too many people seem to forget that White Scars aren't just about bikes (that's the Ravenwing's shtick) but rapid deployments and fast attacks against crucial points. That does include infantery in ATC's disembarking, blowing their load, re-embarking and zooming off to the next objctive.

So, with the release of BoP I'm gonna keep a few bodies to build a sort of diorama featuring the 18 HH legions.
What armour mark should I build each Legion with?
I was thinking something like this:

I - DA MkIII
III - EC MkIV
IV - IW MkIII
V - WS MkIII
VI - SW MkIII
VII - IF MkVII
VIII - NL MkV
IX - BA MkIII
X - IH MKIII
XII - WE MkV
XIII- UM MKIII
XIV- DG MkIII
XV - TS MkIV
XVI - LW MkIV
XVII - SM MkIII
XVIII - WB MkIV
XIX - RG MkVI
XX - AL MkIV

>>49897218
And White Scars were THE naval warfare legion in the heresy

Turns out having really fast ships and being able to board enemy ships very quickly is actually quite a useful trait in space warfare.

>>49897243
Do IW and IF in MkII.

>>49897243
iron warriors and imperial fists in either or both mk2 or 3

>>49897243
Whilst I did just advocate how much WS use MkIII, I'd say a really beat up suit of MkII or MkV would really help to emphasise how little access they had to supplies before and during the heresy

I feel like DA would suit MkII more, and UM too, but that's just because I think UMs look sexy in a suit of MkII

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>>49897180
>>49897144
>>49897218
>>49897251

I Love you bastards. Thank you for cementing my choice in best legion

Who was the "First Emperor" in Khangba Marwu?

When is Prospero released in my rainy communist island shithole?

>>49897413
I can't say.

>rainy communist island shithole
Vancouver Island?

>>49897413
I don't think there's any wargaming in Cuba my dude. :^)

>>49897413
Wtf since when you chicos have Warhammer?

And looks like it's raining everywhere in the american continent, I gotta keep an eye on the weather report.
Is it raining in California, though? :^)

>>49897259
>>49897271
For some reason, I really like the idea of an imperial fist in MkVII armour, It would also be the first MkVII armoured model I paint, as the rest are converted to MkVI, but I might give it a go in MkIII.

For the IW, I find MkIII and it's large plain surfaces offer a lot of space for weathering and battle damage, also MkII is the only armour I don't own and enjoy the least.

>>49897278
Yeah, I was debating between MkIII or V for the Scars, might go for a MkV that integrates a few MkIII pieces, maybe some sort of field modification to allow for greater mobility, like a 'What if the Scars were in charge of designing their own MkVI?' situation.

>>49897413
California is still attached to the US, anon.

And it will probably stay that way until 2020 when Trump decides to follow up his wall with a moat.

>>49897590
Who cares about Cali?

>>49897779
I care about california

t. californian

who else is preordering at their LGS tomorrow? I called the manager at my favorite shop and he said they might even be coming in on monday...trying not to get my hopes up.

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>>49897647
>For the IW, I find MkIII and it's large plain surfaces offer a lot of space for weathering and battle damage
Have at it.
>>49897779
Hence the :^)

>>49897802
People live in Californa?

>>49897802
I'll only be pre-ordering if I can split the box with someone.

Only really want one unit of Mk3s and the terminators.

>>49897850
Californians are like Santa Claus: they don't exist, it's actually your parents in disguise. So, Alpha Legion?

>>49897802
I preordered during the week, or rather, asked the dude at my LGS to get it as soon as he can and pass me the bill when it's done.

He's a cool guy.

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>>49897590
What is rain?

>>49898081
That thing that Seattle does.

>>49897889
Nah that's too simple for AL. Those guys only start to get interested when you're disguised as yourself disguised as the grinch disguised as santa disguising as your parents disguising as santa.

>>49898116
>you're disguised as yourself disguised as the grinch disguised as santa disguising as your parents disguising as santa.
So, Lady Gaga?

>>49898109
Fascinating.

>>49898177
Well, you certainly can't read their poker face.

Any rumors on RUSS rules yet?

>>49898706
Theres placeholder rules which is ws9 followed by sixes across the board, holding a power axe and paragon blade

>>49898736
>holding a power axe and paragon blade
No wonder why he's a jobber. Eh, he'll have a better armour than Mortarion 2bh

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>>49898706
Try these on for size.

Hello from /k/!
I pre-ordered four Prospero boxes, and some new Mechanicus spray bottles for my Space Wolves army. I will however be trading away my Custodes, Sisters, Ahriman models and three of the Fell Handed models and am looking to trade to fill gaps in my 1500 point army.

1500 points-
Preator, two 20 man tac squads with apothecaries and extra ccw (sgt. with artificier armor and power weapons, melta bombs) one tac support squad with flamers, one with plasma. That leaves me at 1170 points.
What should I add next? I was thinking a predator trio, nice and powerful, something to run ahead and soak up points will scaring the shit out of other tanks as that 370 points gives me a fair amount of wiggle room for additions.

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>>49896959
>>Keshig will probably be based when they get released, something like cataphractii except they can fly or some shit like that
I'm expecting Tartaros - it's faster.

>>49899371
>identifying as crossboarder
>namefagging
yuck.
To answer your question, you'll be very vulnerable to long-range shooting, so i recommend some things to close the distance rapidly, or things with enough range to provide cover. Podded leviathan dreads or sicarians are both good additions no matter what, although leviathans arent very fluffy for the yiffs. Predators also work well, but you have an extreme weakness to vehicles and mechanised lists. You could also consider some artillery, either quad mortars or Medusas.