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reposting for thoughts on my neophytes so far (fell asleep after posting and lost the thread :( )

Anything I should/can add to the bases? Aiming for a moon-type base

>>49887579
I think you should ask WiP. They look good to me.
In 40k Generals half the posters don't even own an army and only a quarter of those that do paint them.

>>49887579
Compared to my marine sprue, they look good.

10/10 would proxi a whole army to play against

Is a Tau list with no more than one of a given unit type (except fire warriors) and no Riptides or larger a non-cheese list?

>>49887691
if you are tau and you beat the other player, its pretty likely they will say its a cheese list

just dont take riptides under 1500 points and steer clear of the OSC formation and people will only have an 80% chance of complaining, instead of a 100% chance

Which specialists would you recommend for a full crisis team in Killteam?

>>49887631
bu-bu-but I own 4 armies (technically 5) and about half of each army is painted in 4 colours. Not painted very well mind you because my hands shake like a motherfucker but they have 4 colours.

>>49887579

Take it easy on their eyes, you really only need the slightest bit of paint on the point of your smallest brush.

I'm also of the opinion that you ought to have mixed in some sort of more alien hue into their skin tone, but I say that without knowing how your purestrains look. If they've got well tanned, orange heads as well then I suppose it's all good.

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>>49887777
>full crisis team in Killteam

Are Taufags truly the worst?

>>49887689
If you take the FW bikerboss as your warlord and the discount stompa you could have semi-decent list in ITC.

>>49887853

It's for a tournament. Usually I go with Kroots and some stealth suits for fun.

>>49887719
>just dont take riptides under 1500 points

But my opponents can happily take Carnifexes (T6 MCs) and Terminators (2+ saves) at sub 1500.

One Riptide is not OP. Kill the markerlights (oh so scary T3 5+ 1W infantry) and it's a BS3 Battle Cannon that can take a single BS3 shot at deep strikers that will miss most of the time. If you can't deal with that you need to git gud.

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>>49887579
Get a toothpick, or a 0.01mm fineliner and do pinprick sized dots for their pupils.

I tried to do tiny slashes so they were like cats eyes, but its just too fine a detail for me.

>>49887853
>4 T4 W2 3+/4++ infantry

dude if you can't kill that you should probably an hero

it's only marginally better than fucking tyranid warriors

>>49887777
>Weapon Specialist - Sharpshooter (Ignore Cover)
>Indomitable - Feel No Pain
>Guerilla - Preferred Enemy -or- Move Through Cover

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Does anyone have this, and can upload it?

The first one was amazing.

>>49887871
>But my opponents can happily take Carnifexes (T6 MCs) and Terminators (2+ saves) at sub 1500.

Carnifexes are fucking garbage and Terminators are the definition of mediocrity.

>>49887719
Local community is a lot of Eldar players that have left a bad taste in people's mouths. Main reason I'm concerned.

>>49887944
yes, and?

they're just as survivable

and yet apparently one MC that is a fucking huge target and has the firepower of a leman russ is "op"

git gud or kys

>>49887871
>One Riptide is not OP

never said it was, you asked what isnt considered cheese, pretty much everyone that doesnt understand the tau codex automatically says what you are bringing is cheese if you remotely do well

I dont even take riptides or markerlights anymore even at 1850, last match i brought 3 ghostkeels just in a cad and i was fighting a necron decurion, the ghostkeels mowed down some tomb blades and then were obliterated by tesla and being charged by an overlord when i had a bad thrust move roll

I won the game 8 points to 7 and he blamed it on the overpowered undercosted ghostkeels (which costs 510 points and killed less than 150 points of tombblades)

you literally cant win

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Halp plox, I give happy ending. Can someone crunch some numbers on these death star ideas? Both aim to re-roll failed saves. One is Ahriman with a sorceror and 8 thousnad sons, the other is two sorcerors with 8 nurgle bikes. So the question is who would fair better in CC with MEQs and TEQs? The thousand sons have less attacks but always get the 4++ while the bikes will probably lose their armour saves on occasion but have t6 and more attacks with a pistol and CCW. I know there are too many factors for a reliable answer but any pointers would be much appreciated, thanks in advance guys.

>>49887907
It's Kill Team, you dunce. Which means you get 200 points. And because every model is an individual, the Crisis suits can hop around the board between areas of cover, happily picking off anything which can instant-kill them while the rest of the enemy squad plinks away with small arms potshots.

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>>49887798
>tfw my two 3000+pt armies are in a constant flux of WiP

I am a 3/10 painter who choose a pretty difficult color scheme for my main army.

>>49887979
>you asked what isn't considered cheese
Two different people. I don't like or want Riptides.

>>49887871
Should've used the Tyrannofex as your example instead of Carnifex

>T6 2+ AND 6W
>That's ONE WOUND more than a Riptide
>Meaning it's 20% cheeser than a Riptide
>Plus it's gun is S10
>That instant deaths T5 or under
>Nice 400pt Daemon Prince
>"Woops I guess it doesn't bend that way."

>>49887978
>they're just as survivable
>Comparing a T6, 4W, 3+ save MC to a T6, 5W, 2+/5+ (that can boost to 2+/3+) save MC which can jetpack back and forth out of weapon range.

You're trolling or you're literally retarded.

>>49887996
my bad but kinda hard to know, you worded your post like it was continuing the conversation

my point still stands though

>>49887871
>>49887978

Im with this guy, I don't find a single Riptide to be the end of the world in 1500pt game.

A thousand and below it can be rough but unless the entire army is built around supporting the Riptide I have never had a hard time beating Tau.

Anyone else have problem trying to read the two new books from the download link?

>>49887991
Played Skitarii against team like that. Didnt last long.

My team was:
10x Securitarii Hypathists
5x Vanguard - 1x Arc Rifle

If I saw them, i pelted them with shrapnel and if I didnt I lobbed blinding grenades. Since the suits were I2 they were blind almost every turn before I wiped them out.

>>49887921

Thanks. Nearly all my Crisis will have ignore cover thanks to that.

>>49888036
That's cute, but Blind weapons aren't exactly common. And Grenades have an 8" range. Crisis Suits have no reason to ever get that close, so I'm pretty sure the guy you were playing against wasn't actually very good at the game.

>>49888006
Not retarded, I just play the game unlike you

TERMINATORS are 2+/5+ and die if you force saves. A Riptide is only 3++ if it passes a roll that has a chance to wound it and doesn't use another buff. Big fucking whoop. I guess that makes storm shields THE MOSTEST BROKEN.

"IT CAN MOVE OUT OF RANGE" - try actually moving, try using long range guns.

How fucking bad at this game are you?

>>49887978
>Just as survivable
>2+ Armor
>5++ or 3++ at will
>FnP with Stim Injectors
Man, I don't know how you jump to that conclusion.

>>49888062
>If you force saves
T6 is usually a lot harder to force saves on anon.

>>49887991
>i can't cause 8 wounds with 200 points of stuff
>i can't hide from units that move all of 6+2d6" a turn

holy fucking shit kys

>>49888036
>Suits
>Blind
I'll take Darksun Filters for 200 Alex.

>>49888089
yes, that's why tyranids are so OP

I hear you need 60 multimeltas to kill one MC

>>49888050
Hypathists have barrage weapons that have Blind
>>49888102
Wait, what? ....Oh wow, they are immune to Blind. Damn. I must inform that Tau player and demand a rematch. It wasnt exactly a fair fight due that blind.

>>49888077
>3++ at will

confirmed for not actually playing the game

read what the nova reactor does

or just speedrun a gallon of bleach, it would probably be better for the game

>>49888119
Anon, I was talking about the Riptide, with it's 2+, FnP, and invuln save if it wants it.
>>49888130
Nah it's okay anon, everyone makes mistakes
>>49888136
I was talking about Nova Charges anon. I play Tau, you really don't have to be so hostile to people.

>>49888062
>A Riptide is only 3++ if it passes a roll that has a chance to wound it and doesn't use another buff.

And if it doesn't, it's still T6 with a 2+/5+ save.

The only justification you have is that "Terminators have a 2+/5+" when they're only T4 and "Carnifexes are T6" when anything worth shooting at them punches right through their armour save.

Riptides have both high toughness and excellent saves.

>>49888077
>>5++ or 3++ at will

this is one thing that most non-tau players parrot alot, outside of paying extra points tax plus 30 points for the earth caste array on one suit, or taking the unanimously agreed broken formation that is hte riptide wing, riptides cannot just get 3++ at will

the iontide 3++ is doable because of 2 things:
1: you dont need the nova charge for the ion, its powerful enough with just the normal large blast
2: the riptide wing allows rerollable nova reactors

riptides are made way more broken than just being overcosted because of the riptide wing, because of the riptide wing people just autoamtically assumes that non-formation riptides are the same, when in reality its not the case

>>49888169
I think I may have worded what I was saying incorrectly, I am agreeing with you that Riptides are too durable for their points.
>>49888176
I play Tau though.

>>49888062
Bait but...
T6 vs T4 is pretty huge.
Also Riptide is a 2+/5++(3++)/ 5+++, because let's be honest you're buying Stim Packs.
Each time you Nova Charge you have a 22% of taking a Wound. That's not too bad to up to a 3++ if you're in danger of AP2.

But (imo) the biggest issue with Riptide is it's "unfun" to fight because it's so hard to kill.
Not that it has OP firepower, but because you literally have to ignore it. (Statistical you need to do 45 Wounds to kill it through its 2+/FNP)

>Noticed this the most after running an Impossible Robe Daemon Prince / Lord of Change who got a 2++ rerollable. Opponents weren't having fun. Which is the entire point of the game.

Tldr:
>Having an unkillable slasher villian tier monster on the board which will slowly kill everything and your opponent can't stop it is never fun.

>>49888206
>I play Tau though.

so you have no excuse for knowing formation riptides are on an entirely different level of bullshit when you compare them to standard riptides

>>49887978
And the carnifex has to get into melee or in Devourer range, and needs synapse from warriors or a Hive tyrant in range whereas a Riptide can jump and shoot at double the range,

Gee I wonder which one is going to last longer

>>49888222
And standard Riptides are still a massive pain in the ass if you're playing one of the lower-tier armies. Ork, Tyranid, and DE players have nothing even comparable to a Riptide.

>>49888221
>Not that it has OP firepower

which is where the riptide wing comes in

rerollable nova charges plus one turn all riptides can do their shooting phase twice as long as they didnt move in the movement phase

couple that with fusionblasters and ripplefire? each riptide fires thier main weapon twice and thier twinlinked fusion blasters 4 times

>>49888252
Riptidewing is OP, no doubt.

But we're discussing just non Riptidewing, Riptides.

>>49888248
>and DE players

I'm also a DE players and you can literally ignore the riptides while its got its shield up, it cant do enough damage to your army for you to care, just go and mulch markerlights and it becomes a non issue

the moment it fails its nova charge and I dont have much else to kill? oh look i have 10+ blasters at BS4, hit on 3+ wound on 2+ and he only has 5++ and FNP

>>49888222
I never compared them to Riptide Formation? Also, nice trips.

>>49888297
i didnt even notice i got double trips, go me

my point is that your inital post claimed that riptides can get 3++ at will, which is only really "at will" for riptide wings, normal riptides cant bank on getting that 3++

>>49888296
>oh look i have 10+ blasters at BS4

Friendly reminder that as per the FAQ, these are all going to be snap-firing if their transport jinked.

And if it didn't jink it's dead.

>>49888315
Oh, I'm sorry, I mis-worded that, I had meant that they can just generate one.

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>>49888062
>I just play the game unlike you
Sure you do, Mr. Baitman

>>49888277
This may sound like bait but I don't feel like riptide wing is that much more broken than just taking 3 riptides. Nova really isn't that unreliable and their value stems from their mobility as much as their fire power. If you're aware you're playing against riptide wing and bringing an appropriately busted list as well, it doesn't do that much to shore up (what few) weaknesses the riptide has

>>49888318
>playing DE
>staying in an open topped transport

fucking hell no wonder people people got assmad at the FAQ, i disembarked on turn 2 pretty much every match even before the FAQ hit

yeah people are going to die, but DE can run MSU lists so hard that you have more units than you have shots

that being said, the meta at my LGS was very flamer and blast heavy, so there was never any point in my staying in my venoms

>>49888348
that makes much more sense, fair enough

>>49887522
>I mean what would it even be, allow tactical squads to upgrade their seargents to ML1 psyker

Would this even be that unbalanced? I mean, the Death Watch can pretty much already do that, right?

>>49888352
it does sound like bait, ignoring the rerollable nova charges which, while you think its not needed, its still preferable, you still have the double shooting turn and the +1 BS for the other 2 units if they shoot at the first units target

its just all this extra shit for zero tax

>>49888352
Rerollable Nova Reactor
>going from 22% to fail (you bought FNP) to 7%
>firing twice

Riptides traditional weakness is its "unreliable" Nova Charge and it's (relative) low firepower.

Riptidewing addresses both those weaknesses

>>49888221
One house rule that I like to offer is making the Robe a 3++ that can never be altered or rerolled and losing the PD test or die bit.

I like the guaranteed durability aspect, but the rerollable 2++ triggers people.

Can someone crunch some numbers on these death star ideas? Both aim to re-roll failed saves. One is Ahriman with a sorceror and 8 thousnad sons, the other is two sorcerors with 8 nurgle bikes. So the question is who would fair better in CC with MEQs and TEQs? The thousand sons have less attacks but always get the 4++ while the bikes will probably lose their armour saves on occasion but have t6 and more attacks with a pistol and CCW. I know there are too many factors for a reliable answer but any pointers would be much appreciated, thanks in advance guys.

>>49888450
>>49888457

To me it seems like most lists even capable of playing meaningfully against a riptide wing aren't really devastated by those additions. Yes having a rerollable nova charge matters quite a bit, but any list that can deal with a riptide wing is probably assuming you have a 3++ all the time anyway. Conversely, a list that isn't really prepared to deal with 3 riptides probably wouldn't come near enough to killing even one of them that a few wounds from failed charges wouldn't matter for dick. Obviously it's one of the most braindead and effective formations to use bar none, but I'm just saying it really doesn't shore them up entirely against D weapons/Invisibility/ID weaponry/various combat monsters/characters or units designed to get easy sweeps

>>49888472
>8 thousnad sons

jesus how many points is this army?

:^)

>>49888472
None of those units can be counted as "deathstars" and there really no way for them to be truely effective during game when you count in how much they cost.

>>49888372
It wouldn't really be broken, and it might be what I settle on. It just feels kinda boring, and I think formations and detachments are a better design space to represent their Psyker boner.

>>49888465
Wouldn't be bad. Actually I like that.

It sucks because it's a GOOD artifact, but with the Ld or Remove it kinda forces a cheese mentality of ensuring it gets 2++ or 4+ FNP because your only Ld 9 (my bud plays Tyranids so he's Ld6 eating 24 S6 shots a turn.)

Kinda wish daemon artifacts weren't limited per models would love a paradox prince

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Should my patriarch conversion keep the "beard"? Once I trim it off, I can't really untrim it.

>>49888036
Where did you get the rules for the Hypathists? Not heard of them, and I play Admech. Are they a homebrew or something new I've missed?

>>49888504
>To me it seems like most lists even capable of playing meaningfully against a riptide wing aren't really devastated by those additions

when they get first turn and can fire twice with thier large blasts, buffed by a drone net so scatter is generally smaller, again this is for zero extra tax, is punishing for even the hardiest of lists

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>>49888532

Closeup of just the head.

>>49888538
Not him, but they're Forge World, released two months ago or so

>>49888538
https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/resources/PDF/Downloads//Secutarii_Titan_Guard_Download.pdf

>>49888532
>>49888541
Replace beard with adrenal glands.

>>49888561
I thought those were the Peltasts and the Hoplites? Neither of those have blind weapons according to their rules.

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>>49888539
>Play Infernal Tetrad + Tallyband
>Mfw Armor of Scorn Prince, Jinking Nurgle Prince, Flying Slaanesh Prince, and Impossible Robe Prince

>>49888588
>Ignis blaze - 18" 3 5 Heavy 1, __Blind__, Parabolic Shot, Ignores Cover, Blast (3")

>>49888595
So around 1850?

>>49888532
>>49888541
The beard is good since otherwise it just sorta looks like a reared-up carnifex

>>49888663
Oh yes, sorry. Didn't spot that when looking through their rules. Welp, my friend's plague zombie and cultist blobs will be much more sad once I get and/of convert some of these.

>>49888676
Right on the nose, if I give the Herald the Nightmare Bell and that FnP Loci

>>49888532
I like it

>>49888532
Heck yeah he should

>>49888681

That is kind of the risk in building a monstrous creature sized Genestealer out of a Hive Tyrant.

He should look more like a Genestealer when the rending claws are on and he's painted up in Purestrain Genestealer blue and purple though.

>>49887853
I've taken crisis suits in kill team before, it's not really that impressive.
2 suits and 4 pathfinders and the pathfinders were more useful than them

>>49888689
Peltats are pretty funny unit.. in a way that it needs some rebalancing. Currently if y ou compare that flechette vs kinetic round, flechette is ALWAYS better against any target it can hit and hurt. Even against optimal target of kinetic round that has every advantage on it (T5 sv3+), flechette is better. Only times flechetter is worse when a) you cant hurt your target (t7+) b) your range cant hit your target.

On average unit of Bs7 Hoplites will do 6,5 wounds on normal marines with flechette. Kinetic rounds would do 44.444

hello there fellow valian/tg/uardsmen! ive taken your advice, done some play testing, crafted a straight nasty guard list I plan on taking to a tourney soon, was hoping to help get some final tweaks on it.

I've got it narrowed down to basically a few variations of the same list, just messing with psychic dice, how many tanks pask should roll with, bodies on the field ect... so here goes

HQs/non force org guys
>engineseer+3X servitors
>ML2 primaries psyker
>Pask in a punisher, melta lascannon, flanked by one executioner with a lascannon
troops
>Infantry plat, one squad in a chimera the other with an auto cannon, otherwise naked
>vets in a chimera, with an autocannon
heavy support
>x3 Wyverns
>manticore
>manticore
=][= allies
> coteaz "Fuck your drop pods" torqumada
>Ordo xenos inquisitor, 3X servo skulls
>warband, psyker,2X bolter acolites
>warband, 2X monkeys, psyker, 3X bolter acolytes, 3X plasma acolytes, 3X multimelta servitors
fortification
>aegis defense line

the strategy is pretty straight forward, i just kinda turtle up behind the ADL to get 3+ cover for anyone that has camo netting (everyone) and thats not planning on night fighting for a 2+ turn one, coteaz and his doom squad deter drop pods some, roll for invisibility with my two ML2 psykers and grab prescience with my two baby psykers, put some servo skulls out. guardsmen meat shield and grab objective, manticores rape vehicles, wyverns rape infantry, pask rapes everything. then i just try and table the enemy turn 2-3 then move out and grab as many points as i can. anything I'm missing?

>>49888914
>three wyverns and 2 manticores

I think you're going to get stabbed

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Do all Corvus pattern suits have a studded left pauldron, without exception? Asking because I'd like to build some Noise Marines with shoulder pads that don't have trim around them. Maybe it could be explained with them scavenging for armor?

>>49889000
Not really. It could be 3 reverse and 2 FW romanticizes in that artillery formation with engineers riding Trojans granting Preferred Enemy.

>>49889047
Jesus fucking christ what are you doing autocorrect.

*3 Wyverns
*2 Manticores
*Enginseers

>>49889000
I would consent to a threesome with a manticore and a wyvern, servo skulls and prescience make manticores way more deadly, and i have put 60 wounds on a single squad with wyverns

This is clearly my try hard list, I would only play it in a tourney setting or with friends who want to play the best list i can come up with

>I played a CSM player before I realized how good this list was with a toned down version and tabled him turn 2, he doesn't like to play my guard anymore

>>49889002
Chaos Power Armor is scavenged from half a dozen suits of armor as often as not, and even when it's not, they give zero fucks about the sanctity of the machine spirits, so go nuts.

>>49889047
they are forge world squadrons of one,Ii would do the trojan cheese but i ran out of money and points, same reason i don't have a vendetta

>>49889002
Do you mean in the setting or in the model ranges?

Pretty sure every combination imaginable of power armour is out there somewhere and Mk 5 & 6 were especially prone to being assembled out of whatever was available. If they had spare smooth pauldrons you can bet they would use them.

>>49889065
It's the backtranslated vietnamese 40k names

For the Gold Boy fuck

Bad Words Rock Fire

Shoot Reverse fuck bad word man

Lift Romanticizes for Gold Boy

>>49889115
So they are using the S9ap2 7" blasts?

>>49889173
nah just the standard rockets, i like them for busting tanks easier, but someone told me camo netting is free in those squadrons so its just 30 points saved

wait... 7" blasts? not 5"?

Newer player here, still trying to decide which Chapter Tactics I want to build my army towards.
Trying to decide between Imperial Fists and Iron Hands.
I am looking into getting some Cemturians and a Stern or Command Squad both with Drop Pods.
Most people seem to play 1500pts and there is a decent group at the game store I found that play on Saturdays with like nine plays, some of which have multiple armies.
My list has had luck against Imperial Guard, CSM and Grey Knights but I've lost the other half of my games against Skitarii (which was a close game), Tau and Dark Angels.

Chapter Tactics: Iron Hands or Imperial Fists 750pts
HQ
Captain (105pts)
>Combi-melta, Melta Bombs

Elites
Venerable Dreadnoughts (160pts)
>Multi-melta, Drop Pod

Troops
Tactical Squad (181pts)
>Combi Melta, Meltagun, 8x Space Marines, Rhino

Tactical Squad (210pts)
>Grav-cannon and Grav-amp, 9x Space Marines, Rhino

Fast Attack

Attack Bike Squad (40pts)
>Heavy Bolter

Scout Bike Squad (54pts)
>3x Scout Bikers

Redesign the Marks of Chaos such that each Mark is useful regardless of going on a unit of Havocs, a unit of Raptors, or a unit of Chaos Space Marines.

Firewind (200pts) Kill Team Detachment

Elites (200pts)
- Crisis Shas'ui (32pts) [2x Flamer (10pts]
- Crisis Shas'ui (32pts) [2x Flamer (10pts]
- Crisis Shas'ui (32pts) [2x Cyclic Ion Blaster (30pts)]
- Crisis Shas'ui (32pts) [Airbursting Fragmentation Projector (15pts), Burst Cannon (10pts)]
- Crisis Shas'ui (37pts) [Twin-linked Burst Cannon (15pts)]
-Airbursting Fragmentation Projector:** Range:18"|Strength:4|AP:5|Type:Assault 1, Barrage, Ignores Cover, Large Blast

-Cyclic Ion Blaster (std):18"|S7|AP4|Assault 3
**Cyclic Ion Blaster (ovrchrg): "|S8|AP4|Heavy 1, Blast, Gets hot!

What do you think?

So, out of curiosity, which one's typically a better Detachment: the Adeptus Mechanicus War Convocation, or the Cohort Mechanicus? They're both big, bulky Detachments that eat up most of your points even before you get into upgrades and buying the maximum model count, but the unit lists the require are fairly different, and so are the benefits for having them.

I mean, on the one hand, the War Convocation gives you free weapon and armor upgrades for your entire army, and you get to take Knights as a part of the Detachment. On the other hand, with the Cohort Mechanicus, you get to apply both of your buffs to your entire army rather than just part of it, and you get some extra buffs on top of it to sweeten the deal and make it that much more synergetic.

Also, would it be worth it to spend about 300 points buying the Valkyrie Detachment from the Imperial Guard codex to get a trio of planes to ferry your guys around and provide air support, due to the lack of transports in the AdMech codices, or would you generally be better off spending the points buying more dudes and/or gear to fill your list out?

>>49889235
Whoops the tact squads are 9 and 10 marines strong, I forgot to count the Sergeants.

>>49889200
Yeah. Check the rules. The "normal" S9 ap2 rockets have bigger blast than your normal large 5" blast.

Also check wording on firing manticore missiles and Power of the Machine Spirit. By RAW PotMS allows you to fire 2 missiles per turn.

>>49889002
Studs were on there during the Heresy because the suit (just like MkV) was made of inferior materials and needed reinforcement. Later, when better materials were more readily available, the studs were not necessary, though some still keep using them out of purely cosmetic reasons as to honour the suit's history.

>>49889293
I honestly prefer the rules of the Cohort Mechanicus, but it's so cumbersome in terms of points you need to be playing a 2500 pt game before you can even use it without MSU spam and a really boring army.
Personally I use Inquisition Chimeras as transports, as theyre far cheaper, take up less points and can allow an entire Kataphron and/or MSU Skitarii squad to fire from it.

>>49889332
i haven't brought it up with my group because it would be a hard argument, because POTMS says it can fire one more weapon at full BS than allowed, but the rockets say you can only fire one at a time, so lots of people would say they cancel each other out, or the codex trumps the BRB, if i could win that fight though it would give me a massive advantage since running out of ammo doesnt matter seeing as manticore need to do their work by turn 2-3 or they will get blown up or just miss the chance to be worth the points

>>49887691
people just like to complain about Tau. even if they weren't a strong army, your opponents would still find something to bitch about.

they love to hate them

>>49882560
Models within 3" vertically are considered b2b, so red can eat infinite dicks, & everyone blue who can pack in within 2" horizontally of the front row can also attack, because all models within 2" of the front line can also fight.

Red BTFO for being a shitter.

>>49889261
Agreed. Personally I'd also want move away from +stat (similar to removing the +stat biomorphs from Tyranids),.

>>49889379
honestly when i started on /tg/ i figured there'd be a lot of Eldar hate, and theres some of that. But god damn people here love to shit on tau.

don't get me wrong they're good, but i feel like you have to build to a handful of specific lists to be competitive, and tourney wise they are outclassed by SM and eldar still, especially after that FAQ decheesed them

>>49889293
War Convocation gives you more flexibility than Cohort. (and costs less points).

>>49889371
I like you. You seems to have good grasp of rules, how to build effective IG lists and good sportmanship.

Except your lists have very distinct lack of flying *BRRRRRRRRRTTTTTTTTTT*. Vultures are probably the most effective unit IG has outside of Malcador Infernuses.

>>49889407
i suspect it's part of the hate of anime that pops out here and there on 4chan

>>49889447
on top of that i do have to admit i dispise the tau fluff
>hurt durr we win against this thing that fucks other races because unity and our sweet teknologee and theres absolutely no drawbacks

also the anime hate thing literally makes no sense to me, this is a place based off a japanese board, but thats neither here nor there

>>49888532
>>49888541
How is he supposed be the leader of THE patriarchy if he doesn't have a beard? In fact, you should add a 3rd horn in the middle!

>>49889235
The Flesh Is Weak

>>49889266
I think your math is way off.

>>49889413
True, but the WC is still not very flexible at regular game sizes. Along with a transport, my biggest wish for Admech is a modular Decurion with options, that can be used at less than 1500 points effectively, like almost ANY OTHER CODEX. (Not you Orks or Deldar, sorry)

>>49889485
we can blame the writers for that

I just downloaded and peeked through IA13, and do titans not pay for their weapons anymore? It seems a bit OP that I can bring a warhound with 2 turbo destructors to a 1k point game
Also did deredos come out after IA13 or does the chaos can't have plasma cannons meme run so deep that even FW says they can't have the best sarcophagus

>>49889445
honestly i would run a vendetta if i could, lots of lascannons and some mid game objective capturing if you throw a squad in there, but I'm broke as fuck

if theoretically i was able to get my hands on one what would you get rid of?

>good sportsmanship

i can't tell if you're serious, I'm running invisibility and camping with 3+/2+ cover saves on my tank, I'm trying to milk as much cheese as i can out of the guard for this list and i think some of my soul is gone because of it, i think I'm gonna loose some friends at this tourney

>>49889524
well shit in that case i say they just embrace the weeb and get some japanese writers to do the fluff for tau

has that guy who made evangelion killed himself yet? I hear the writer for Berzerk isn't busy these days, he knows how to do grim and dark. hell LoveLive was better written than the tau codex, get one of the writers from that for gods sake.

Was thinking about picking up one of the Forge World questoris knights, but only if it was a) decent and b) useable in War Convocation. Are the Styrix or Magaera any good compared to the standard knights?

>>49889525
Dereddeo's came out after tiA13, and FW saw fit not to give chaos them because lolFW. Same as how they cannot get mortis contemptors and continue to be one of the only armies in the game with no real ground-based anti-aircraft weapons besides flakk missile havocs.

>>49889750
I was gonna say orks also don't really get much AA either but honestly every gun they have has sky fire at -1 BS

Ive seen lootas fucking shred light fliyers with lucky rolls

>>49889500

Oh, I just copy pasted Shas'ui (32pts). Everything else is correct.

>>49889795
One of their new artillery weapons is also pretty good AA.I think its called the smasha gun but I'm not entirely sure.

>>49889795

Orks have the best anti-aircraft gun in the game.

>>49889795
>>49889865
Orks actually have one of the best AA units in the game.

Trakor kannon, artillery with a shit load of grots (which count as being t7 because of artillery rules).
bs3, skrfire, s8 ap3.
Any vehicle which loses a hullpoint to it is automatically immobilized, any swooping flying monster that takes an unsaved wound must take a grounding test that only succeeds on a 6.

>>49887542
So, I come to yall needing some help on what to get next for my Necron army; Here's what I've currently got:
40 Necron Warriors
10 Scarab Swarms
5 Immortals/w Gauss
5 Lych Guard
3 Destroyers
1 Doomsday Ark
1 Triarch Stalker
1 Annihilation Barge
4 Lords
1 Over Lord
1 Cryptek

I know that the most obvious choice is a unit of Tomb Blades, because they would let me set up the Decurion formation. But at the same time, by starting a decurion, it'll become harder to play the rest of my army, IE, the Destroyers and Scarabs. In that case, a flyer might be better off, since I need a transport for either my warriors or Lych guard. So, thoughts?

>>49889905
>oi git, da Ork Boyz iz da best at everyfing in da gaem, because boyz iz made for fighting and winnin!

Can a space marine get cancer?

>>49889954
M O N O L I T H
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>>49887988
Those sorcerers make all the difference, and thereby totally incalculable. If Nurgle boys roll up smash and an int boost, they're gonna wreck house. Similarly, if the 1k sons get Reroll armor saves and get smash, you've got one hell of a murderfuck deathstar. It all depends on the powers.

Ideally? Probably the 1k sons, the durability would just be too fun. But the warp is nothing if not random, so take that into account.

>>49890021
I would argue that some space marines are cancer

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>>49889581
>I hear the writer for Berzerk isn't busy these days, he knows how to do grim and dark.

>Shas'la Band'o'the'hawk Guts
>armed with his signature giant black blade
>and his repeating blaster.
>leading his famous hawk'raider into battle, for the greater good.

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>>49890072
>>49889954

Get an Obelisk

New player here been playin salamanders looking to expand up to 1850. Been playing 1k and 1500 with various units using a librarian as my hq. Wondering at what point is vulkan he'stan worth it? Ive got a sternguard in my list as it is but I feel like they would be the only ones benefiting from it unless i ditch flamers in my tacticals

How do I get a Big Mek with Force Field onto a bike, lads?

>>49890136
KFF is in a sidecar.

>>49889728
Due the how the rules currently are, neither are usable in War Convocation.

Also they are neither that good in it. Just stick to Warden or wait for IA14.

So are the romours true Dark Mechanicus and Traitor Guard coming?

>>49890170
I've already got plans to stick an Oiler grot in one of those. It's Orky to have two sidecars, right?

>>49890099
Sorry anon, I dont want to drop over a 100$ on a glorified Anti-Air piece. I totally would If I could though. Although a transcendent C'tan shard might be quite a bit of fun to play around with, but if that were the case, I'd just convert one up instead.

>>49890072
Eh, would a Monolith really do all that well in a list like this? I am already pretty darn slow, and I already have a Doomsday ark for heavy fire support. Having a monolith seems a little redundant, saddly; Although, I do want to get one some time in the future, just for iconic-ness sakes.

>>49889954
Stop getting trolled.

A pair of Ghost Arks would make your warriors more mobile and durable.

You could go for an orikan star with more Sword and Shield Lychguard with Obyron and Orikan.

Get another box of destroyers and put a Lord on one with a warscythe and you can roll him with five destroyers and do some good damage.

Obviously Wraiths can do very well for themselves.

Two Doom Scythes at higher points can form an auxiliary for your decurion or you can use them as Night Scythe Transports for a full squad of Immortals or even the lychguard.

>>49890221
Of course you can use them, the list forces you to take the Oathsworn Detachment, which is one LoW from the IK codex, the Forgeworld Knights are treated as if they were in the IK codex. Otherwise you could never take them except in 30k games.

>play orkz every week at my FLGS
>sometimes I know some of the guys are pretty bad list tailors
>I tend to bring my entire collection in three bags
>take out a bunch of tanks or something I won't be using and sit them on the table while writing my list
>bring the complete opposite of what I took out
>have whoever I'm matched up with that night stumble over themselves trying to explain why they need to make a couple list changes because they made a list to counter exactly what I had sitting on the table

I always let them change too, they tend to bring a much more traditional well rounded list after, only had one shitter IG guy that went from a full tankhunter list to all flamers once he saw I was bringing hordes, still won though lol

>>49890287
no, it wouldnt lol i was fuckin around. just get ghost ark(s?) theyre great

>>49890287
> tfw I bring my monoliths just to be used a scenery.

>>49890746
They deserve it, I have no sympathy for list tailors and it is a duity of members of the hobby to fuck with them.

>had a guy being a bunch of DTW buffs to his army and a fucking culexus assassin expecting to play my grey knights, he started bitching when I pulled out my guard that he didn't expect to be playing them, I told him lists should be built to face any army and he can fuck himself

>>49891046
A good csm codex?

>>49891092
>they reprint the 3rd edition CSM codex and make it legal to use

>>49887853
Crisis Suits = Basically Nobz.

>>49891092
Yes, everyone is being asked to vote on if they would like a new CSM codex or SM codex.

Who do you think will win?

>>49891120
I think the CSMfags will win. AL'KAPS has been dying for drop pods, but I'm sure he'll be okay with a better CSM dex.

>>49891143
It was a trick question anon, there's probably quadruple the SM players than there are CSM players.

>>49891150
i thought everyone and their uncle had a csm army in storage? or was that orks?

>>49890136
Find the KFF bit for the Wazbom Blastajet on eBay. It's smaller and already swept back as if it's on the back of a rapidly moving vehicle.

>>49891150
I thought CSM were the 2nd most popular army if not the most popular.

>>49889829
Turns out you're right, I just wasn't sure how it stacked up with correct math. The list looks good overall, though I'd take a BC/flamer over a TL BC. But that's just my opinion.

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>>49891115
>Crisis Suits = Basically Nobz.

Is it okay to buy the space marine librarian for 30usd and throw a grey knight helmet and shoulder pad combo on him to make him a grey knight libby, or is there some obscure kit I need to keep my eye out for?

Because the gk libby and the dreadknights are definitely on my shopping list on what to get next.

>>49891115
>doubt.jpg

Speaking of kill team, Orks actually seem REALLY powerful in it.
I brought 10 shoota boyz and 10 tank bustas.
Other horde teams were all s3 and couldn't wound my t4.
Elite teams got blown up by s8 ap3.

I think I found the Orks true calling.

>>49891150
Why would marine players ask for a new codex and risk losing all of their cool toys/rules.

>>49891403
Because they just want more and more.
They don't just want the best toys, they want ALL the toys.

>>49889261
Mark of Khorne- Preferred Enemy
Mark of Nurgle- Feel no Pain
Mark of Slaanesh- ???
Mark of Tzeentch- Brotherhood of Sorcerers

>>49891391
GK player here, we don't have a lot to work with compared to standard marines

>I thought we were the big Es chosen?

Yeah he chose us to kill daemons but wanted to give us a challenge by not letting us use melta, plasma, drop pods, etc...

Seriously though dreadknights are one of THE best and best costed units in the codex, I know I run two, one gold and one silver, so you for sure want to run one, also purifiers are the shit btw

Libbies are also fucking awesome, rolling 4 powers on daemonology is always fun, but to my knowledge there is no official kit for a GK libby, the codex uses a silver version of the vanilla one, so get kit bashing! GK kits come with tons of cool extra bits so it should be pretty easy

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>>49891046

>CSM players tell us what you want
>half the people asking for the Diaz daemonettes back

>>49890021
Skitarii Cancerguns would say yes
>Normal/Natural cancer? No
>Chaos/Spoopy/Science Magic Cancer? Yes

>>49889261
MoK should be +1A no matter what, if a Shooty unit wants to benefit from it they can charge or get charged
MoN what's wrong with +1T?
MoS fleet and Relentless so shooty scooties can scoot and shoot
MoT scout and ability to go out of or enter reserves before 1st turn but after both have deployed

>>49891500
Technically daemons and CSM used to be one codex ;^)

>>49891500
You can hardly blame them though. They're much better than the current plastics.

>>49891471
In the fluff, teleportation is superior to a Drop Pod.

>>49891391
You can.
Personally I'd just take a GK terminator and pimp him out to make him a Librarian tho.

>What i did was a kitbash between Dark Angel DW Knights + Grey Knights to get robed Terminators with hoods for my Conclave (old apocalypse formation of 3-5 Libs with a power to create a Large Blast Vortex of Doom)

>>49891564
>Mark of Khorne should be shit for melee units no matter what
No.
>MoN
Nothing.
>MoS
Relentless makes little sense for Slaanesh. Inexorability is not a trait of Slaanesh.
>Mark of Tzeentch
Eh, Scout is boring and does nothing once the game begins, and the reserve thing which is a great idea that I'm going to borrowwould work better as a detachment bonus.

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Can I get some feedback about my list please?

Any tips, or what I should get next to fill in my points.

Here's what I've got so far

1756pts
BNR on all

Tau
HQ
>Commander R'alai
>Dark strider

Elites
>x2 crisis suits

iridium
Burst cannon
Fusion blaster

Velocity tracker
x2 fusion blaster

>x2 crisis suits

Vectored retro-thrusters
Plasma rifle
Fusion blaster

Shield generator
Plasma rifle
Missile pod

>x3 stealth suits

Homing beacon
Stimulant injector
Burst cannon

Shield generator
Burst cannon

Target Lock
Fusion blaster

>Toots

x7 man firewarrior team with Shas'ui

x6 man firewarrior team with Shas'ui

>FA

x5 Pathfinders
Shas'ui with ion rifle
Regular with ion rifle
Recon drone
Grav-inhitaber drone
Accompanied by Darkstrider

x5 Pathfinders
Shas'ui with rail rifle
Pulse accelerator drone

>>49891583
Too bad tabletop and fluff rarely align.

What wouls you do so Deep Strike (Teleport) is different than Deep Strike (Descend).
>To allow them to differentiate.

One change is that make it so Interceptor won't work or is reduced vs Teleporting.

>>49891655
Allied
Militarum tempests

HQ
MT command squad in Valkyrie
tempestor prime
Plasma pistol
Power maul

x1 medic
x1 vox-caster
x2 plasma rifles

Troops

x5 scions in a taurox prime
Tempestor prime
Bolt pistol
Power maul

x1 vox-caster with lasgun
x1 hot-shot lasgun
x2 hot-shot volly guns

x5 scions coming in via deep strike
Tempestor prime
Bolt pistol
Power fist

x1 vox-caster with lasgun
x1 lasgun
x2 meltaguns

>FA/DT
Taurox prime
Battle cannon/gatling cannon
Storm bolter
Twin linked auto cannon
Auger array
Dozer blade
Smoke launcher

x1 Valkyrie
Sponson heavy bolters
Multi-lasors
x2 multiple rocket pods

Thoughts?

>>49889905
Orks have Icarus Arrays now?

>>49889261
>MOK
Preferred Enemy or shred
>MON
+1 T
>MOS
-1 to Cover saves or shred
>MOT
Soul Blaze :^), Blind, ability to redeploy after infiltrate and scout moves but before first turn

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>>49891677

>>49891770

Are those your fire warriors?

>>49891715
>MOT
>Soul Blaze

You misspelled Warpflame

>>49891770
why the fuck would anyone use that truk over a chimera in a combat situation?

>>49891471
>>49891610

So the consensus is I should a terminator libby and deck him out in gk bits? That sounds perfect because that paladin squad had at least three additional helmets for the fuck of it, and it helps that the librarian term is strangely cheaper than regular librarian.

Also I found a website that sells dreadknights for ~28usd which knocks general retail out of the park so I might throw caution to the wind and blow like 80usd for two of those and that libby.

As it stands now I have a paladin squad, a purifier squad, and a rhino.

>>49891818

why use an MRAP vs an IFV?

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>>49891789
Nah, these are.

Rate my painting too <3

>>49891872
is ot an MRAP if it's on tracks, has a horrible centre of gravity and overall worse troop transport capabilities than a readily available IFV?

>>49891818
Because MT is neglected.
I have right hopes for 8th ed

>>49890745
Well...
1) Styrix is not usable in 40k. Its rules are for 30k only
2) due how FW knight's rules are worded, you cant take them in Imperial Knights detachment unless there are more non-FW knights than FW knights. So using only 1 FW knight is not allowed.

>>49891846
Care to share? $28 dreadknight is a good enough deal I'd pick one up for conversion.

>>49891935
Fluffwise it has better all terrain capability.

No this doesn't make sense with its design.

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Everytime I see temporarily out of stock I panic.
How long does it usually take for this stuff to come back in?
This guys so sexy

>>49891935
>horrible centre of gravity
the magnetic plates on the bottom somehow make the taurox extremely capable in rough terrain, to the point it can just drive over/through shit as well as vehicles equipped with god-damn plows

>>49891935
I wasn't asking about your aesthetic opinion nerd.

How viable would this be?

>2 ML3 Grey Kbights Librairans
>Grand Master

>roll the Grand Master on Biomancy
>roll Libby 1 on Librarius
>roll Libby 2 on Sanctic

Enjoy rolling around with an Initiative 7 Smash force with a rerollable 3+ invuln save?

Or is it just to douchey?

>>49891500
Don't tempt me, motherfucker, don't tempt me. I'm enough of a poorfag already. I can't afford more Diaz 'nettes.

>>49891918

Finish your bases/10 :^)

>>49892072

Who knows, a week to a month? Buy it before its gone forever and you're forced to grab one off ebay for $50

>>49889954
Ghost ark nigga. Decurion is for fags, and is banned from tourneys for a reason. My friend has crons and he refuses to even try Decurion for a giggle.

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>>49892143
They sure as balls are going to release Diaz Daemonettes.

Shame chinaman Diazs are so much cheaper

>>49891846
Let us know about those dreadknights, bruh

>>49892043
Wargamestore.

They allow US addresses for shipping, so I assume they do allow business with US players.

I actually think they just raised the price to 28£ which is roughly 33usd. I added the dread knight to my wishlist at 24£ and I guess it changed since I've been deciding.

When s&h is added in and it's still at or around 40usd it'll just be the same as amazon.

>>49892205
>banned from tourneys for a reason
No it isnt. I havent even seen a tournament where Necron Decurion is banned for some reason.

>>49892072
wait what the fuck
wasn't this guy SOB ?
he's inquisition now, scared the shit outta me when i didn't find him , was gonna buy him for my IG when made to order happened and i blew it all on valhallans

>2016
>People still crying about Tau

Pathetic, can't wait till you all get cheesed by GSC and the new SOB's so you have something new to cry about in 2017

>>49891918
What's that book there?

Nice painting btw.

>>49892473

>t. Tau player

>>49891918
Those feel 3d printed. I don't know why.

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I'm about to start a Deathwatch army, and I have a few list-making questions.
1. Should I use Blackshields, and how should I kit them and their unit of Veterans out?
2. When making kill teams, should I still be kitting them with specific purposes or should I make all rounder kill teams?
3. Are Corvus Blackstars worth it? I think they're cooler than drop pod spamming tactics, but if there are better options I might have to reconsider them.

>>49892473
>new SOBs

>>49892548
2 rumormongers have already confirmed them for either Q4 or Q1of17

So have been out of 40k the past 4 years or so, Was considering getting back in, but how is the game doing? Is it a total fire now? or?

>>49892562
Nah. Unless by 17 you mean 2117.

>>49892572

What did you collect

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>>49892472
> i blew it all on valhallans
So did I, I need another squad of 10 and theyre out of stock atm as well.
Worried as hell but it should be back
Right?

>>49887542
Does anyone have the instruction on how to build the forge world sicarian: i am terrified of fucking it up

>>49892652
what region you in anon ?
they're still in stock on the eu one , both the valhallans and the missionary
i still need 20 of them for a 50 man platoon i don't even have a priest or a primaris psyker yet

>>49892623
No 2017. Two confirmations by people who's trackrecords are almost flawless is is almost 100% sure.

Also GW made that stupid joke about them in that trash-video. They wouldn't joke about something like that.

>>49892231
Also resin.

Are the "on demand" miniatures in metal or resin?

>>49892679
Canada atm, Im too poor for blob so im doing vets, only need 2 or 3 boxes
Godspeed anon, blob valhallans is my dream

>>49892789
They're made of whatever the original models were made of.

Unless their shop descriptions were a lie.

>>49892649
Chaos marines, IG, Small out of deamons and orks.

I was playing right up until all the army names started to change.

>>49892819
>Unless their shop descriptions were a lie.

This is why I ask.

Is this thread the place to post a 30K CSM List intended for 40K play? I don't like the CSM codex at all at the moment.

>>49891984
If memory serves, it's the other way around. FW Knights are "relics" from the past, you can only have one per IK detachment.

unless I can't read and I need to an hero

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>>49892906
I'm sorry.

Also funny note: In Combined Arms Detachment, all units must be from same faction. So by RAW you cant ally FW-knights into CADs. Damn FW.

>>49892854
Honestly I'd think that they're using the original molds anyways (I know nothing about casting so I'm presuming that you can't use the same materials in molds made for different shit) so if I were to theorize on what happened for this I'd think it went something like this.

>Well gee we have a bit of spare pewter lying around that we aren't going to do fuck all with
>how about we just ask if people want any old pewter casts
>fuck it we've got enough for twenty or so of each model we can try it

I recall there being exactly one plastic thing on the list, the tank crewmen, so that'd be the only outlier.

So what is GW'S practice with their boxed sets? I wanted to get the retaliation cadre but someone bought the last box before me and it seems to be sold out everywhere. Is it likely that another tau set will be released in the near future or am I SOL?

Can a non-tank unit issue an order to a tank unit?

>>49888579
WISDOM

>>49892957
Thing is, it says Imperial Knights army. This means if your army is something else, you can take 1 without requiring another Knight.

>>49893004
KNOWLEDGE

Once BoP comes out, will BaC be Out of Production or will I still be able to get a box? Not terribly interested in SoS or Custodes.

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>>49892988
>the tank crewmen

Those were always metal/resin.

>>49893068
Who knows? Why not buy the box now, if you want it?

>>49893076
I'm referring to the finecast as plastic because I don't know why

Can anyone that owns both a Riptide and a Dreadknight offer a size comparison, preferably visual? I've been struck by a strange mood, and I think some high-grade heresy is required.

>>49892988
Metal molds can be used with Resin, but not with plastic.

>>49893039
Please read it again, with a thought.

Upper one means: In IK detachment (either the bigger or the smaller) you can have Cerastus Knights only if you have more other knights than them. So having only 1 cerastus in your war convocation is no-no. Found out this the hard way.

Second one: this is a bit retarded but Cerastus knights are IK faction. In most detachment there is a restriction that detachment can only contain units of single faction. So by RAW you couldnt include Cerastuses in those detachment. But in this case RAW can go fuck itself since RAI is so damn clear.

>>49893152
Isn't it hard(ish) rubber or something? While resin is more like silicone?

I think Hasslefree has some minis only in resin and they say they couldn't make them in metal without changing the mini. So there's some differences between the two.

>>49893298
Plastic needs a harder mold, while Metal and Resin can use rubber molds.

>>49892843

Orks are shite
CSM is shite
Daemons are still good

Could someone post a small Inquisition/Officio Assassinorum list maximal 500 points? Plannning on buying a few of their models.

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>>49887907

What's that? 4 T2 models with 2W?

That's adorable.

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Here, that buffed up Patriarch I asked for advice on the head for earlier.

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RULES ON WEBSITE PLEASE RESPOND

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>>49893460

And a size comparison, because why not.

A very simple conversion besides sculpting the head crest without much sculpting experience. Ended up looking more cluttered than I'd like, but hey.

>>49893483
>black sisters
we wuz blanks n' shiet

>>49893512
Anon, I think theyre wearing helmets.

>>49893483
I'd like to throw in some Custodes into Grey Knights. See how they work out...

>>49890021
Cancer was common and lethal problem for destroyer marines during the Great Crusade IIRC

>>49893483
What the hell any model can take a 1+ strength AP 2 weapon WITHOUT UNWIELDY FOR FREE?
I mean I know they're only S/T 4 but at I 5 and 2 attacks base doesn't this seem absurd to anyone? At only 1 PPM more than tactical marines?

>>49893483
Yes!!! THANK YOU.

>>49893617
Nothing in that pdf is s/t 4, are you high?

The custodes flavour text:
>fug of war
>fug
What did they mean by this?

Sooo without a detachment how are we supposed to field the custodes and SoS?

>>49893646
Meant 3, talking about sisters.

Also its not even funny how much better Custodes are than terminators. Better in every conceivable regard. This is what terminators should have been.

>>49893650
fugnoun [ S ] uk /fʌɡ/ us /fʌɡ/ UK


a condition that can exist in a small, crowded place when the air is not pure, especially because of smoke or heat:
We smiled at each other through a grey fug of cigarette smoke.

http://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/fug

>>49893001
Anyone?

>>49893617
To be fair, that leaves them with no ranged capability whatsoever, and they are basic infantry. Unless they're in a Land Raider, just shoot them. If they are, what the hell is your opponent doing buying a Land Raider for 180pts of models at most?

>>49892746

>No 2017. Two confirmations by people who's trackrecords are almost flawless is is almost 100% sure.

>almost flawless
>almost 100%
>almost

No 2017. Two confirmations by people who's trackrecords are flawed is less then 100% sure.

>FTFY

>>49893617

t3, no dedicated transport, no other weapons and they don't have assault grenades.

Still a bit on the cheap side I guess.

>>49893001
>>49893693

https://www.games-workshop.com/en-CA/Start-Collecting-Tau-Empire

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>>49893483
>15 points
>super preferred enemy (psykers)
>psychic abomination
>fearless
>ws 4 s4 ap2 I5 a2
When will this power creep meme end?
If it wasn't for their lack of a good assault transport you would see whole armies of these guys.

>tfw when low tier
>they're better than the models you pay twice the points for

>>49893716
>When will this power creep meme end?

Literally the most powerful soldiers of the Imperium short of Primarchs and the Emperor himself. Give it a rest.

>>49893483
So no rhino/immo/chimera or anything to take as DT for the SoS? hmm.

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>>49893691
What the hell I'm english and I've never heard this before.
>>49893697
That's fair. I was just amazed by the power creep, that's all. They do look pretty neat, power creep aside.

>>49893705
I missed the lack of assault grenades, that hurts. I'm surprised that neither custodes nor sisters got even a "custodes rhino" or something like that.

>>49890498
>>49892205
Wow, to be honest, I had completely looked over the Ghost Arks in favor of Night Scythes; but now that I've given them a second look, I think that they might be exactly what Im looking for.

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>>49893646
+1 strength from heir weapon.

>>49893697
>To be fair, that leaves them with no ranged capability whatsoever
So what? you're going to want to specialize anyway.

The thing I noticed was
>no assault grenades
>sisters of silence are an assault unit!
>I1

>>49893731
THEN WHY DO THEY COST LESS THAN ANY OTHER ELITE UNIT?!
YOU FUCK

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>>49893512
>>black sisters

>>49891115

Man I wish my Nobs had a 3+ save and

Wait a second.

A Crisis Suit base is 22 points.

A Nob in 'Eavy Armour is 22 points.

Yet the CS gets +1LD, +1 save, JSJ, +1BS and

Wait what

+1 STRENGTH

The suit is STRONGER than a Nob?!

>>49893782
Those are helmets, you can see an aquilla on one of them.

Also there would be nothing wrong with some of them being black.

>>49893483
Rules for a bolt caster, but I don't see options to take one.

Otherwise, looks nice. They ally as Armies of the Imperium; does this mean they're considered their own army?

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>>49893650
>>49893691
It means when you see these fuckers on the other side of the table and you're playing Orks or Nids you shout "...OH FUG :DDD"

>>49893731
They cost 4 points more than Deathwing Knights (and the same as what they cost in 6th) for better stats in everything except int and save, a better weapon, and better rules. They even have Eternal Warrior...

>>49893811
They're balanced based off of other units in their armies

Because grots and deff dreds and burna boys are so superior to markerlights and riptides

>>49893819
impossible considering they only have an elite option for each and no special detachment to bring them in
i would read it as "this is an elite option for all armies of the imperium"

>>49893825
>Now Imperial army will be fielding these guys as much better assault terminators
>I'll still be using Deathwing Knights

FUG ME

>>49893830
and for 30 points extra they all get an extra melee attack
whew

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>>49893782

But, the only assault transport for the imperium is the land raider... for the same price of a squad of 10 in a land raider you may as well just get 3 squads of 5 in chimeras or something and have them sit in over for a turn.

>>49893716
They're T 3 with no transports, no FnP, no scary ranged weapons, need to be within 12" or closer to effectively matter, they die in droves to fucking lasguns. Relax.

>>49893976
forgeworld

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>>49893950
DELETE THIS RIGHT NOW
>it also gives 12' fearless

wake me up inside

>>49893819
>Rules for a bolt caster, but I don't see options to take one.

Maybe keep reading the rules? Like under the various close combat weapons that come with bolters attached to them, maybe?

>>49893976
There is also that flying brick.

>>49893819
Bolt caster is mentioned in the Sentinel Blade entry, not the best way to do it, should have just been an alternate profile for the sword.

Custodes are sexy as fuck, kinda tempted to smash them in my IG army as an actual melee threat.

>>49893711
Cool so that and an OSC would make for a fairly reliable force no?

>>49893976
>the only assault transport for the imperium is the land raider...

And Stormlord. And Stormraven. And Stormwolf. And all the FW vehicles that are assault vehicles.

So are SoS/Custodians 30k only?

>>49894000
My bad, passed over the line by accident. Thanks.

>>49894034
Being "Allied to the Armies of the Imperium" means 40k, 30k would be "Allied to loyalist armies only"

>>49894034
Doesn't look like it, follows the 40k format/style and references the 40k rulebook for weapons, also are clearly allied to 40k armies

>>49892540
>1. Should I use Blackshields, and how should I kit them and their unit of Veterans out?
Do you plan going into melee with them ? If not then no, if yes then you need to decide if he's going to take the challenges or will the sergeant take them as those might require different load outs.
>2. When making kill teams, should I still be kitting them with specific purposes or should I make all rounder kill teams?
The former. I would say never go for all rounders but Deathwatch Vets are already rather versatile in shooting, so don't try to make them also good at fighting as well unless you know you will play against someone that will charge you. At most take a sergeant or a Black Shield with a power axe or something as a contingency.

>>49893483
I like their unique faction symbols.

So custodians would get shredded in close combat by an equal number of Sisters of Silence. Nice.

>>49893691
A fug is one thing, the fog of war is quite another.

> GW writers confirmed for being hacks.

>>49893483

Damn Custodes are fucking expensive

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what are some ways i can improve this ork list? how terrible is it?

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>>49891046
>what would you like to see?
COCAINE
O
C
A
I
N
E

Any ideas for a decent Iron Hands killteam list?

>>49893863
I'm almost convinced I will say FUCK IT, assemble 5 Deathwing Champion minis with their halberds and field them as a unit using the Custodes rules.

>>49894199
Half the comments have asked for him.

>>49893483
>Ogryn
>WS4 BS3 S5 T5 W3 I2 A3 Ld. 6 Sv. 5+
>12" S5 Assault 3 gun
>40pts.

>Custode
>WS5 BS5 S5 T5 W2 I4 A3 Ld. 10 Sv. 2+
>12" storm bolter
>two power swords
>50pts.

>>49894244
Truely, ogryns and bullgryns are the best units in 40k.

Am I going mad, or do neither custodes or sisters of silence have assault grenades?

>>49894230
Stay strong, brother. Warzone Fenris Part 2 will give us no rules to make terminators playable.
That's what I tell myself every night as I base my boxes upon boxes of terminators.
Stay strong for them.

>>49894147
15 points over a termie and you definitely get WAY more bang for your buck. T5 2W and Eternal Warrior with a 2+ is insane, especially if you buff it with Psychic powers, or as a laugh but a priest in there to have the steadfast guardians of the Emperor inspired to great feats by a half-insane preacher.

>>49893693
Damn anon you're fucked, I bought literally the last retaliation cadre in the state of Kentucky several months ago, it's not even on eBay

>even though you can get everything in the box on eBay for just as cheap

Tau is crazy popular, GW isn't retarded, there will be more boxed sets

>>49894244
Custodes cant have +1 attack from having 2 weapons. Either they are using 2-handed halberd or they are sporting Storm Shield that prevents having +1attack from extra weapons.

>>49893483

I have to add SoS to my SoB army. They're even elites amen SoB elites don't exist.

>>49893693
we have on in our store but it's in Belgium

>>49894309
>Belgium
>Living in a non-country.

>>49894306
Did you read the rules?

>>49894261
>Wut.jpg
Well... at least custodes can make sweeping advances with their retarded initiative...

>>49894306
Sentinel blade, dummy.

>>49894276
They are what my god damn paladins should be, if they were eternal warrior and T5 they would be fucking playable

So my FLGS is selling a Start Collecting Chaos Space Marines box for 55 bucks. Great deal, but I hear that CSM is one of the worst armies this edition, and I already play tyranids.

My local group doesn't cheese (though there's one asshole who runs 7 SW dreadnoughts), so I don't think I'd be wrecked, but are CSMs completely useless?

After seeing those SoS, I have zero reason to believe SoB aren't actually on their way. There is no other excuse GW can give other than "We don't feel like it"

>>49894378
Well anon, now you don't need Paladins, just take these guys in their place. GW has gone beyond baiting people into buying new armies with good rules, and is now making new units for existing armies that are just better in every way, so you have to buy them too.

>>49894164
nobody?

come on, its like, the second draft of the first list i ever drafted. there's gotta be flaws that are glaring to a vet.

>>49894414
Sorry dude the custodes hype is too strong, try and catch the thread early tomorrow, about 10-12 am est usually is when it starts

>>49894340
>>49894353
Yes. And I derped a bit. Read it that if you skip the spear, you will take the shield. And thats how it pretty much goes. I cant see why you would ever skip the spear unless you wanted to have 3++

>tfw seeing everyone requesting noise marines on the GW facebook.
Things shall get loud now!

Christ, all Terminators should have S5 and T5 for their fucking points. I'm not even asking for two wounds at this point, just those two.

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*pillarmen music plays at violently high volume*