/tgesg/ - Weekend Elder Scrolls Lore General

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>>49887407
>no daggerfall sheo
Disgusting. Sheo is truly the most dapper prince.

>>49887455
To be fair, there's not much competition.

>Howard further explained that “I could sit here and explain the game to you, and you would say, ‘That sounds like you don’t even have the technology–how long is that going to take?’”

So there's a 90% chance it's Valenwood isn't there?

>>49887674
Yep. That or Blackmarsh, hopefully. MK did say that every third game was supposed to be weird, but he could have been talking out of his ass.

>>49887704
MK says a lot of shit desu

>>49887711
Nice trip-dubs, but that's why I said he could be talking out of his ass.

>>49887704
The games are part of the Enantiomorph.
>arena
>the observer
>bland D&D ripped dungeon crawler
>daggerfall
>the rebel
>slightly stranger, attempts to put down its own lore
>morrowind
>the king
>genuinely interesting hostile alien land full xenophobes and interesting creatures

>oblivion
>the observer
>bland typical european fantasy world, drops a few tidbits of interesting lore, retcons old established lore
>skyrim
>the rebel
>seems bland at first, but has interesting concepts hidden right beneath the surface
>TES VI
>the king
>trainwiz makes a subway system beneath whatever province, sotha sil comes back from the grave in a thomas the tank engine suit and ends the world C0DA style
I can see it.

>>49888988
What terrifying wit you possess, Anon. That was quite the takedown.

>>49889026
loling at ur life

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qvjBZUXYIHk

>>49887674
Fuck, all of Tamriel?

The earthbones such as Y'ffre, are Aedra, correct?

>>49890423
Yes

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>>49890420
We've already done it anon. Twice now. We need to explore the Aether.

>>49890485
In the 2 games that don't count

>>49890485
>First time, was just a series of flatland repating world spaces centered at by a single town with very little variation
>second time, a series of horribly designed worldspaces that make me happy it doesn't even cover a 4th of Tamriel
yah ok

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Started a tes folder mates. Im only on 107 files right now. How many pics do you have in yours?

>>49892055
Around five hounded, I think. It's not kept in very good shape, so there's some things in there that don't really belong.

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>>49892119
>hounded
We've all been there

So, I've got a question: the Psijic Order is pretty closely tied to Altmer tradition and culture. Despite this, we've seen a few members who aren't Altmer.

Does this mean that they recruit any mage that meets their requirements, or do they limit it to elves?

I've only been able to find mer members in lists of members, but I also know that they have a really complex recruitment drive, so I don't really know what to make of it.

Haven't been in a /tgesg/ for 3 months. Feels nice to be back.
On another note, do we know how the Maruhkati Selective was able to bind Aka-Tusk and Lorkan together?

>>49892598
I believe they severed all ties with the Altmer, so I don't see why they wouldn't allow other races to join them.

>>49892636
Welcome back, how was the outside world?

>>49892690
That makes sense, but again, I could only find elves. I mean, I guess the bosmer member should be proof enough for me, but I don't know. Doesn't help that we know next to nothing about them, huh?

>>49892745
Pretty nice all things considered.

>>49892763
Damn shame too.
The Psijic Order has to be one of the most interesting factions in the setting.

>>49892855
Well that's probably because we know so little about them

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>>49892055
I got only 154, you just started it?

im kinda picky tho

>>49892745
There's a world outside of Tamriel?

B-but...wouldn't that mean that we, that I am-

Anon + CHIM - Identity = 0

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Why are Grazelands almost uninhabited? They seem pretty pleasant, especially compared to most other regions of Vvardenfell. Also there is wheat growing there wildly, so soil must be at least somewhat fertile.

>>49893972

I've always wondered this too.

Grazelands are full of Daedra and beefy critters, but that's because it's so uninhabited, not the cause.

>>49893972
Maybe sone territorial arguments? I know House Redoran and Hlaalu are constantly arguing about settlement and mining rights.

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>>49894541
but the settlement in the grazelands is Telvanni

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>>49894874
Great taste

>>49894951
Dayum!

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>>49894981
10 bucks

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>>49892055
Only a thousand, but they're not very organized and there's some duplicates. Will sort-by-size-and-delete some day.

So moonsugar is mostly catnip?

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>>49890485
your image is outdated

>>49892636
I'm going off of memory here, but didn't they do some crazy dance to give Akatosh split personality disorder?

I don't recall anything about him being bound with Lorkhan, though. But I've been out of the TES lore headspace for about a year now, so forgive me if I'm rusty.

>>49893972
>>49894132
>>49894541
>>49894874
I think it's because they are Telvanni, and also that it's got little even in the way of traditional Velothi settlements. Pre-Empire, Vos was likely the only unaligned village until you hit... Well, I'm not sure, as Khuul and Ald Velothi fall under Redoran jurisdiction and Molag Mar is a Temple/Redoran fortress. All signs point to Tel Vos being a recent development.
I think it's partly being subject to Telvanni wizardry, Ashlander migrations, and the occasional stray daedra, dwemer automata, and vampire that makes the Grazelands an untapped area for settlement.

>>49896458
That image isn't much better

Alright thread, what's your favorite Sermon of Vivec, and why?
If you're feeling up to it, give quotes and examples.

One of mine is Sermon 20. When Vivec faces a monster who is seemingly immune to right/straight angles.
It's one of my favorites since it inspired me to make monsters in my tabletop games have interesting defenses for my players to overcome.

>No perils are mentioned in the finding of Moon Axle, but it was known that he was immune to spears, so Vivec had to use the sword not held against him. Before he took issue with the monster, the warrior-poet asked:

>'How came you to be immune to spears?'

>To which Moon Axle replied, 'Mine is a dual nature, and protean. I am in fact made of many straight lines, though none last too long. In this way I have learned to ignore all true segments.'

>Luckily, the sword not held was curved and therefore could cut into Moon Axle, and before the sun was up he was bleeding from many wounds. Vivec did not slay him outright for to do so would to keep the foibles of nature within him and not back where they belonged. Soon Vivec had traced geography right again, and Moon Axle was ready to be slain.

>>49896870
I actually made a list a few months ago numbering the lessons from favorite to least favorite.
Out of them all I'd say my favorite is Sermon 16 (with 18 a close second).

It's hard to explain why I find it so interesting, but its message is fairly haunting.
At the end Nerevar, after having destroyed the parliament of craters for their perceived insolence, self-reasurringly states:
>'I am not of the slaves that perish.'
To which one of the surviving crater replies
> 'Appropriation is nothing new. Everything happens of itself. This motif is by no means unassociated with hero myths. You have not acted with the creative impulse; you fall below the weight of destiny. We are graves but not coffins. Know the difference. You have only dug more and supplied no ghosts to reside within. Central to your claim is the predominance of frail events. To be judged by the earth is to sit on a throne of wonder why. Damage us more and you will find naught but the absence of our dead.'
The crater basically tells Nerevar (who is basically a stand-in for the Nerevarine in the Lessons) that he is nothing new, nothing special. That he is, and always will be, a lowly slave to his destiny and that he has achieved absolutely nothing here,

The sermon ends there.

>>49897300
>who is basically a stand-in for the Nerevarine in the Lessons
Whoa. And here I thought they were pretentious tripe. Maybe I'll read all of them. Is there a particular order or is it straightforward 1-36?

>>49897764
You read them in numerical order, some of them are even related!

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Hist trees were brought up last kalpa, and I want to clarify something:

The tree in Skyrim I mentioned was not the Eldergleam like one anon assumed, I meant this one.

>>49892055
1,840.

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I have several questions about Bosmer. There's so little known about them.

Is the Green Pact a fact of life for all Bosmer born in Valenwood or are there some who don't follow it?

Is it likely for a Green Pact follower to abandon it? Would doing so essentially damn them in the afterlife? Or would they be okay as long as they leave Valenwood and don't harm the forest life and shit?

>>49899738
The green pact only applies in Valenwood.

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Just getting into Morrowind. How did Nerevar come to be reincarnated? What was Dagoth Ur's goal? Why did Almalexia murder Sotha Sil?

>>49886403
Tell me about T'odd the liar.
What is his powers and place in the lore?

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>>49900163
http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Morrowind:Nerevar_at_Red_Mountain

The Tribunal are all fucking terrible, unforgivable, shitty people and I have no idea how people can like any of them.

>>49900272
Well they're neat, interesting characters. Vivec in particular is interesting shit. But they're supremely horrible and unlikeable individuals.

>>49900272
>tfw u get impaled by Vehk's muatra but not in the sexy way

>>49900272
They're really the only deities in Morrowind that have anything like a definable personality and set mythology. They're more similar to Greek gods in that way, which makes them a lot more pleasing to read about.

>>49900432
>deities
stop. They're assholes who played with something way way way over their heads and went around ruining everything for everybody. They wanted to be revered as gods but acquiescing to that as if it's true is like saying that the egyptian pharaohs were gods too. unless you want to argue semantics in which case please no i'm tired and about to get off

if they're at all similar to Greek deities, it is soley in that they're omnipotent children

>>49899952
Thanks, but I knew that already. Wanna maybe read the posts a little more closely before responding?

Who else makes sure to kill Vivec at some point whenever they play Morrowind?

There's probably no one in the province, if not the entire continent, who deserves to die more than that cunt.

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>>49900538
now this guy gets it

>>49900538
There are many things that need to be erased.

>>49899738
Supposedly the Green Pact is tied to their actual physiology, so Bosmer who abandon it would essentially just be constantly transforming into weird animal shit.

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>>49900538
>>49900272
Why do the Tribunal let people know what massive cunts they are?

>>49900689
Then how do inter-continental Bosmer get by? Is every single one of them a Greeen Pact follower deep down inside?

>>49899009
You can ask Ysolda about the tree. There's two theories about the tree; it's a piece of red mountain that got blasted away in the red year, or it's a spore that fell from Umbriel.

>>49900819
They don't. IIRC most of the in-game sources on their serious dickery are heretical texts ruthlessly suppressed by the Tribunal Temple acting on the Tribunal's orders. That's why temple authorities hunt down the dissident priests, heretical ashlanders, and you once you start associating with heretics and learning/convincing them that you're the Nerevarine.

What dickery there is in the non-heretical mainstream Tribunal scriptures is mostly very well hidden and only subtly alluded to (and intentionally so) by Vivec, or passed off as proverbs meant to impart lessons, like that one where he finds as shalk and a kagouti arguing and decides to insult and then murder them for literally no reason. Thus teaching the valuable lesson that true ugliness is on the inside - which it does teach, but not as the Temple intended (p.s. the temple meant the shalk and the kagouti to be the internally ugly ones since they were having a nasty argument and insulting each other).

>>49899738
>>49900831
The answer to your question is game limitations. Most Bosmer probably still follow it. It's just never mentioned.
>>49900689
Knowing TES lore its probably hardwired into their spiritual harmonic thingamajig. Or maybe because Nirn and Tamriel have been the way they have for so long now that everything has stabilized, and even if the Bosmer hadn't formed the pact they wouldn't be in danger of changing their form anyway.

Although saying that aren't the racial abilities that Bosmer characters get due to the pact?

Where did everyone go?

>>49899738
>Is the Green Pact a fact of life for all Bosmer born in Valenwood or are there some who don't follow it?
Hard to say for sure, but all indications we have is that it's totally ingrained in religion and culture, with no major exceptions.
With any population there's always likely going to be individuals who break with traditions, but that's not something which I think happens often.

>Is it likely for a Green Pact follower to abandon it?
Very unlikely, as far as we know.

>Would doing so essentially damn them in the afterlife?
I'm not aware of any explicitly mentioned tie between the Pact and the Bosmeri conception of an afterlife, but there's likely some connection there, because of the prevalence of the Pact in their religion if nothing else.

>>49900831
Being a Green Pact follower outside of Valenwood is one of the easiest religions to follow, seeing as your harshest beliefs are just contained to one particular hellhole.

>>49902959
I got invited to play Maid, so I'm about to leave for that.

>>49899009
Several hundred hours in and I've never bothered to look closely at this tree. Interesting. thanks for clearing that up for me. might have to hunt this tree down once the remaster drops.

Where did Tiber Septim keep his mini-Numidium Alinor souvenir?

On his mantellapiece

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>want to replay Skyrim
>one of the countless mods makes game crash randomly
>can't be arsed sorting it out

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>>49902899
>artist has made the dwemer building roofs look slightly more like mushrooms
seems fitting for the location come to think of it

>>49892598
Anybody with potential to be a mage. If you're that one Nord who biffed everything, probably not.

>>49900163

I wonder how badly the shirt's belt pouches clip if you wear something like the chitin cuirass over this?

>>49894951
I was thinking of getting one like that, but I'm a Telvanni man, through and through, but I wouldn't want to to the exact same thing.

>>49899738
I think I recall a story about a Bosmer who steals apples from a neighboring castle during a war and for some reason becomes their king.

That being said, they can eat fruit without exploding, but many may just eat meat or mostly meat for religious and cultural reasons.

>>49894951
>>49895010
w2c??

>>49903518
Feel free to do so

>>49903545
The Rear Guard. He's grabbing apples from the orchard owned by the same guy who owns the castle he's defending. When the guy owning it finally shows up he announces the war is over, and asks the bosmer mercenary to pay up for all the apples he's grabbed. The bosmer has been studying law during his long stay in the castle and found out he owns it now cause he's stayed in it for a certain period of time.

>>49903572
That's it. Thanks anon.

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>>49903566
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Big-mouse-pad-Precision-Locking-Edge-anime-mouse-pad-factory-store-wholesale-Free-shipping-LOL-mouse/32693245290.html

I wish magicka signatures were mentioned in subsequent games. It sounds like a cool idea, and even an excuse for limiting some effects in newer games.

>>49900689
>>49901088
>>49903016
>>49903545
Thanks my dudes. I was kinda looking for excuses for a Bosmer not to be a cannibal, but I just recalled that the meat mandate isn't strictly followed in modern times. I guess the Green Pact ain't so bad.

>>49899738
I think it's pretty much like muslim (calm down it's nothing about politics) in the fact that, even non relious people of muslim culture will not eat porks, like it's just so far away from their culture and education that they can't do it. One of my friend even threw up when he ate pork unknowingly, we didn't understood what he had until we saw that their was actually pork in the thing we were eating.
I think it must be something like that, even if they live far away from Valenwood and never set a foot in there, they will still follow the Green Pact mostly out of habitude and culture.

>>49892055
2352

>>49903652
Uh, these are all LOL, is there any way to upload the picture?

>>49892055
390. I don't really save many pictures about TES.

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>>49904648
Oh, you just message the seller with the desired picture and ask if it can be used.

>>49900480
I'm curious, what is your criteria for deityhood?

>>49904765
Whatever he doesn't get mad at.

>>49900819
They don't, that's one of the most important aspects of Morrowind's story.
Also the text posted by the other anon has questionable authenticity.
Here is Vivec's (completely heretical) account of Red Mountain.

http://en.uesp.net/wiki/Morrowind:The_Battle_of_Red_Mountain

>>49905186
>They don't
I feel like that's a super important part about the lore that people constantly gloss over. Not just about Vivec or the Tribunal either.

>>49905220
It's probably just people who haven't played the game.

>>49904370
As a huge fan of the Bosmer, i think the whole cannibalism thing is awesome. Specially cause it's not like normal cannibalism, they don't go out of their way to hunt and kill people, they just don't waste the body of whatever they kill, no matter what it is.

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Why does /v/ of the chan-which-shall-not-be-named have better lore discussions than us this week?

>>49906294
why are you a faggot?

>>49906317
Because I get off on it?

>>49906294
I'd hardly call a text dump a "discussion".

>>49906294
>being a cuck

I feel like this has been answered but I missed it or don't remember. What happens to a black soul inside a gem? Is it unable to reach the dreamsleeve? Do souls get released back to the dreamsleeve when the gems are destroyed?

>>49906361
Check the IDs. Those are different anons. So yes, it's a discussion.

hi. i just read coda. and wanted to say
something interesting about it. but now to think of, nothing. what the fuck. seriously.

>>49906333
Maybe I should rephrase the question.
Why do you constantly go on 8 chan yet feel the need to reaffirm here that you think it's shit?
If you like it, whatever.
Nobody here gives a fuck.

>>49906401
And yet they aren't replying to each other or even same posts, just "dumping" text.

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>>49906294
>not using the /tes/ board
It's not very active and there's a lot of faggots come to think of it, but I got some golden screencaps off it.

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>>49906462

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>>49906479
And ofcourse, the one and only redoran gravity meme. I've even seen this one mentioned in trueSTL, and I don't even post there.

>>49906428
>he thinks I'm signalling
Get that fanboy head of your ass. I go where TES discussion is no matter the site.
And >>49906462
is right. /tes/ is a dank place.

My comment really was what it said - this and last thread were pretty boring, we're usually better than this.

>>49906500
I don't think you're signalling I think you're trying to fit in or something.
I use /tes/ myself.

I can never understand how many kalpas have passed and the Hist can survive a kalpa ending only in their realm since it's timeless then can they retreat to it?

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>>49906570
I honestly think it was a bad idea to introduce the whole idea of kalpas as it's hard to fit in the lore in a lot of ways.

>>49906742
I don't see why. At the simplest, you can think of it as the various cycles the world have in real mythology - the Greeks believed there were several ages before their current age, and the Aztecs believed they were the fourth world to exist or some such.

>>49906294
I don't really enjoy that take on the Argonian lore. Call me a contradictory faggot, but it seems weird to take all this time to explain how the Argonians are irrevocably different in mindset and physiology, how even their land doesn't play by the rules, and then make it clear that they're making a Tamriel-inspired government.

To me, it's not as fun to have them not playing by the rules in the first place, but if you're going to make them weird, don't have your cake and eat it to. They shouldn't just magically become better than other Tamrielic civilizations, especially since we know shit about what they even do.

>>49907300
Well, it's a change like all other. You don't base something around a gimmick. Anway, you should pick a bone with the books because they were pretty clear Argonians formed some kind of a new radical thing that looks like a government.
Really no idea where you're getting that they're superrior. Well, yes. But only in Argonia.

>>49900480
If they're deities or not is an interesting argument. As far as I know, they were never widely worshiped outside Morrowind, so it's not as if a majority of people considered them gods. But they did have a god-like amount of power, more than I think even some of the greatest mortals achieved through magic or artifacts, aside from the Underking and Mannimarco, and I think that's enough to make them deities.

>>49904715
>>49892055

If you will share the art I will bear your children. Tried a couple of times to start a TES art thread but I don't have enough for it to properly kick off.

>>49906742
I tend to view kalpas as things that don't really exist, in that the prior worlds are erased from existence.
Like, their is no before for the world that came before, so every kalpa is actually the first existing world again.
Works in that sort of theological 'can't be proven/disproven' sense.
>>49907300
I agree entirely.
If Argonians are really supposed to be all weird like that, they should not be a playable race, they shouldn't act in anyway like normal people, and they should be extremely rare outside Blackmarsh (excluding salves in Morrowind).
I'm sick of the whole special snow-flake mentality surrounding Argonians. How they're apparently 'incomprehensible' and 'think so much differently' yet are always portrayed in the 'more civil then the civilized people' trope. ESO is the worst contender to this bullcrap.

>>49906294
Because text dumps never happen around these parts, right? I mean, I posted about some of those things just a week or two ago.

Also:
>implying mud huts
>thinking the hist are a hive mind
>not mentioning their conception of time

Besides, that wall of text is filled with pretty questionable assumptions, which reminds me of a related topic.
There's nothing wrong with writing your personal take on something, or writing about something which is based of assumption and uncertainty, as long as you're being frank on what you're unsure about. But that's something people often forget to do.
So, if I'm dumping a text on how I read Words of Clan Mother Ahnassi in relation to understanding what it means to be a Clan Mother, I'm going to take time to at the very least mention that this isn't something which is certain and stated, just something that I find a lot of reasons to believe is true.
It's not the end-all of discussion, or trying to discourage posting, it's just something to keep in mind. We have better discussions if we're honest about what we don't actually know.

>>49907796
This is why I can't stand /r/teslore. Too many people building assumptions off of assumptions presented as facts.

>>49906070
It's definitely unique, that's for sure. But I still don't like the idea of it for the character I'm making.

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>>49907870
>>49907796
>when it's a "some oblivious retard starts dumping screenshots of highly assumptive /r/teslore-tier text dumps written by other oblivious retards" episode

>>49908732
dumb frogposter

>>49900538
after you get the main wraithguard so you can get the backup from him.

>>49907870
They claim open source canon and declare Michael Kirkbride's c0da (beta-canon AT BEST) precedent for their own, at best, grasping speculation.
The GOOD lore discussion there is so rare it's better to ignore the whole and come here on weekends for discussion.

Anyone have a quality map of Tamriel in 4E?

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>>49911706
this is probably the best one I've come across

>>49910519
/tesg/
>a forum to discuss the discussion of lore discussions.

>>49911781
Thanks.

So, for other discussion, did anything happen with Akavir in the time skip? I kinda forgot.

>>49912133
not that we know of, we're not really kept much in the loop about that place.

>>49912182
Are they kept in the loop about us?

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>>49911781
>Ald Gnisis.

"New Gnisis" being a tavern in Windhelm.

Looks like the Odai valley, and a good chunk of the east of the island is still habitable.

Is there any actual canon on what's going on in Vvardenfell 4E?

>>49912232
Lava and ash, mostly. Vivec city is now a boiling pool, and the Telvanni are probably glad they can live alone in peace now.

>>49911888

You've got two or three more levels of meta, and then a random digression into the proper shape of spoons and forks, before this thread goes full /tg/.

I miss the old days.

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Here's an odd question.
I've got a group which I normally GM for, and one player who has become willing to try and run a game for about half of the group, myself included. We're getting ready to play D&D 5e set in TES, at about the time period of ESO with an alternate timeline (which our GM has chosen so he can use ESO to help map and explore the world as a solid basis).
Yes, I know that there is a system to play TES (I read it and it looks great for being fanmade) but our group decided that we'd rather play D&D set in TES, since we know and enjoy the system and all of the others are pretty new to TTRPGs.
There are some things that we're handwaving to make it easier to use the system. For example, instead of coming up with a ratio for D&D gold to Drakes, we're just calling the coins drakes and waving any difference in source prices and our book prices as being the result of a different time period or what have you.
But there are some things that are harder to simply wave away, namely the classes. We're trying not to do away with as many options as possible (with a few exceptions like resurrection spells or druid's transformation abilities, which we replaced) as well as adopting a simplified system of casting focuses and spell points over vancian casting. However, I'm having a bit of trouble finding places to "ground" some classes in the lore. What should differentiate powers represented by the cleric class from those of sorcerers? Should we lean towards tying the classes to lore as they are in D&D, for example saying that "clerics" are battlemages typically associated with the organized religion of divines or daedra? Am I worrying too much, and we should just go along and build the reason our characters have whatever abilities and proficiencies represented by our class into their backgrounds?

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>>49912269
>start going to uni
>move into apartment with friend
>we buy various items for the kitchen, he buys most of the cutlery
>he buys some stupid fucking forks that are way too broad and have really short prongs
>i can't stand the fucking things
>i buy another whole set of cutlery
Really though, it was unpractical with just one, so we both agreed to get another. It was just a welcome opportunity to get some proper forks into the house.

I have an odd question, too: in an RP that I'm running for a friend, her character, who was in a stasis for a good number of years, asked her companion what good things happened in the Fourth Era.

Can any of you guys help me out? I was legitimately stumped for a while before I BSed some stuff about individual prowess. Both characters are Imperials, if that matters.

>>49913043
http://en.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Fourth_Era

>>49913043
There's quite some examples of the Empire persevering through hardships.
Sure, the Oblivion Crisis, Umbriel and the Great War was terrible, but the Empire survived.
Alduin was stopped, and that's pretty neat.

But yeah, from an Imperial perspective the last two centuries have been kind of shitty.

>>49912601
>What should differentiate powers represented by the cleric class from those of sorcerers?
Sorcerers tend not to use restoration much and clerics wouldn't use as strong destruction magic, tending to stick to stuff for banishing daedra and turning undead and healing allies.
>"clerics" are battlemages typically associated with the organized religion of divines or daedra
That's a fairly good explanation of it. The Vigilants are basically battlemages.

>>49913117
>Alduin was stopped, and that's pretty neat
Alduin did nothing wrong

>>49913212
He should've just done his job and not dicked humanity for a few hundred years

>>49912825
Well you're comparing a fork for soft foods against a piercing fork.

Its like comparing a pasta pot to a rice pot and calling one of them useless. Its silly you horker.

>>49907796
Hist are not a hive mind?

>>49913997
Wonder if we are going to get anything like this in the remake, I mean it is far over possible.

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So the dwemer all fused together into that brass megazord right?

>>49914014
The remake is essentially just a graphics overhaul.
>>49914039
Yep.

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Are Morrowind's broken unbalanced mechanics cannon? Can you just down some super potion and one pawnch everything

>>49914039
Yes. And now they're tumbling through time, literally breaking it--literally making Akatosh doubt his own existence every time they pop out every now and again: hence "dragonbreaks"

Aren't they duking it out with Thalmor super scientists, or was that just c0da?

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>>49914074
no

and console command isn't CHIM

TES is meta as fuck, but it still has respect for itself as a fiction.

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>>49913987
I highly doubt it.

"Instantaneous Mind" would be a better term.
What I mean by this is that all Hist (save for extreme cases) are connected "at the root", and are able to communicate instantly (or close enough to that it doesn't really matter). Sure, you can say the same for a hivemind, but the difference is a hivemind is essentially "one mind", but the Hist are just a collection of individual minds.

Imagine that you have a ton of brains, all in different vats. Using superscience, you hook all of these brains up in such a way that they're all able to send each other thoughts and ideas instantly. Now, we can assume that these brains will probably come to some sort of agreement on most topics pretty rapidly. Indeed, from the outside it might even seem as if it's a hivemind, either a collective consciousness formed by the sum of it's parts, or a swarm consciousness where every brain is now identical.

Except that's not the case. Because individual Hist can still say "fuck this", sever contact with the rest, and just act however they like. It doesn't happen often, since the Hist live in a state where disagreement is very easy to solve, but the fact that it can happen says enough. It means that they can't really all be identical, and they can't all be aspects of a greater mind. They're just very complex individual minds that agree on just about everything.

>>49914074
>Are Morrowind's broken unbalanced mechanics cannon?
Maybe, but it's not canonical.

Why the fuck do Draugr have septims on them?

>>49914074
There would probably be severe side effects to downing a liquid that can teach an orc quantum physics. Probably brain hemorrhaging.

>>49914158
Gameisms.

>>49914158
Because Skyrim is a vastly inferior game to Morrowind

>>49914158
Talos retroactively transformed all the world's coinage to display his visage.

>>49914158
Maybe nords place gold on their corpses as some sort of offering, asuming they weren't undead when it happened

>>49914198
I could honestly see this happening. Tiber was a pretty egotistical cunt.

Could aetherium be used to power a sort of dwemer power armor?

>>49914158
They've taken them from graverobbers who came, and failed, before you.

>>49914158
You're not the first adventurer to go into the tombs?
The draugr are alive and inteligent and the books mention they put tributes to the dead or higher order draugr.

To put it simple: some asshat thought he could sneak in, sneak out but fucked up and now his stuff is their stuff.

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>>49914192
this is why I have a hard time enjoying lore threads these gays. elitists like you just limit discussion to
muh Vivec or muh Tribunal. TES has a bananas amount of lore for EVERYTHING outside of Morrowind. Yeah, you are nostalgic. Me too. Let's fucking move on and enjoy ourselves instead of turning up our noses please?

who /ansei/ here?

>>49914294
Oh, it's you again.

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>>49914308
Not sure you mean, boyo. But the fact that there are others who want to have TES lore threads instead of Morrowind threads does make me feel a little better. I just wish it was enough of us to count.

>>49914158
Pick one or more of the following

1. They're modern coins the draugr got from other adventurers
2. they're modern coins that were left as offerings that the draugr picked up
3. they're ancient coins that the game depicts as regular septims because there really isn't much point to having multiple different coins so the ancient coins are just translated into whatever their value would be in modern currency.

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>>49914158
They don't, the fuck are you smoking?

>>49914294
Now, I know you won't stop posting your bullshit, but people just generally post about the things they like and that they find interesting. For a lot of people that'd Morrowind, for some it's not. And that's okay, because it's the way things are supposed to be.
Some post a lot about Dunmer, I post a lot about beast races. We engage in what we want to engage in.

You can't be some sort of pathetic, ineffectual content police that gets to decide what people talk about. If you don't like these threads because of that, I welcome you to leave. Accusations of elitism are particularly pathetic, and you're making a complete fool of yourself by fundamentally not understanding how this medium works. The mere fact that your response to any sort of comments on the subjective quality of the games is to essentially start bitching about it, shows that you have no idea what you're doing, as it will only cause people to talk more about it.

If you truly want to talk about something else, then start posing something actually interesting. Something that people will want to discuss.
I already regret giving you attention, for you'll never actually leave or understand what you're doing wrong. But at least you'll give me a "(You)", which I hear is all the rage these days.

>>49906397
Soul Cairn. Forever probably. Those crystalline motherfuckers don't seem like the kind to give up anything willingly.

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>>49914413
But I've tried to start a conversation about the Sword Singers of Yokuda and Hammerfell/Redguards by extension. I hardly see trying to stay on topic on the discussion of lore as 'pathetic.' You got your (You), but I only wanted to point out that I did exactly what you said. No need for you to jump down my throat. We're all friends here. At least, I hope.

Anyway, does anyone else find it interesting that despite having a genocidal rage boner for elves, Redguards are actually Anuic in nature, rather than Padomaic, as are the rest of Nirn's humans? It begs the question of what the Left-Handed Elves were like, and if they differed at all in their existential perceptions.

>>49914567
What do you think sword singing actually sounds like? I've been trying to think of what real-world inspirations could be used for it, like how Shouts are like a nordic chant. I feel like just going with Arabic-sounding anasheed would be kind of lame.

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>>49912601
you really should consider trying the UESRPG. It's pretty fuckin patrician.

Don't fall into the trap of playing DnD because its what you know. Play it exclusively for too long and you will never try any new game because "well I like DnD."

Cut loose, give it a go. Worst case scenario nobody likes it and you jump ship and run DnD instead.

>>49914882
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XUhVCoTsBaM

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>>49914882
I always took the "singing" aspect to be more poetic and less literal. But it is a form of tonal magic, so it needs some kind of sound to be brought about. In my mind it's a kind of a powerful hum like Mongolian throat singing. It has a very ancient quality to it, which I think fits with

As for what channeling your soul into a fucking sword looks like, could be anyone's guess. The most straightforward you could go would be a more ethereal lightsaber.

I really hope TES VI is set in Hammerfell.

>>49914882
Maybe something more like a Maasai war song.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yv3DncWSjtM

>>49914882
>>49914979
>which I think fits with
fits with Shehai Shen She Ru being a dead art.

sorry, I'm tired

>>49914979
My main concern with a Hammerfell game is that they'll take the easy path of making the player the HoonDing, but I don't think that would really fit with being able to play any race. Then again, they get away with that with the Nerevarine, so I guess it's not really out of the question.

Is "weekend thread" literal, or does this just happen whenever and this particular one just happens to be during the weekend? Sorry for my ignorance, I don't go to /tg/ despite my love of DnD 3.5.

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>>49915315
It's always been that way, with the only exception being Oblivion where you were just a dude who helped the hero save the world. Initially it feels weird in every case, but it's immediately justified by the lore. The Tribunal mutilated Nerevar in symbolic ways such that he could come back as anyone, and Dragonborn simply means that one is born with a splinter soul of Akatosh, which could happen to anyone.

It will be weird in the case of Hammerfell, though, because HoonDing is the Make Way god for the Redguard people specifically. I'd like to think Beth will mind that and do something different entirely. It would be kind of refreshing not to be a Chosen One of any kind again.

>>49887674
Wait, did I miss something? They confirmed they're working on a new TES?

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>>49915429
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X0UbystIikA

>>49914158
Why do wolves have septims on them?

>>49915502
They ate a draugr whole.

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>>49915510
There's always a bigger fish

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>>49915452
Oh boy. What else have I missed. Is there any statement into what is canon skyrim?

>>49915566
The Dragonborn became Hermaeus Mora's cum dumpster. No idea how they'll handle the civil war outcome, though.

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>>49911781
>No bay where Vivec used to be
>Morrowind-Black Marsh borders haven't been restored
>random guessing about the sizes of cities we've never been to
>Elsweyr not split up into Anequina and Pelletine
>Yokuda
>Thrassian Reef
>wrong Orsinium location
there's probably more stuff I missed but this map is meh

It'd be better to modify this map.

Wulfharth was a Bosmer.

Discuss.

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>>49913987
It's a bit like people going on /pol/, it's not an actual hivemind, but it's pretty damn close. People there pick up the collective lingo (cuck, ctr, shill, oy vey) and then don't even notice how they're throwing it left and right on boards like /his/, and then they get called out for being faggots.

>inb4 did /pol/acks shit in your cereal?
they shit in my favourite board (/his/) that's for damn sure

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>>49913997
>>49914016
>>49914039
>ywn play this morrowind

>>49915707
What's there to discuss? It's pretty obvious.

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>>49914158
septims in dwemer ruins is a worse offender IMO
there was nothing wrong with morrowind's dwemer coins

>>49915717
I dunno. It sounds like typical r/teslore wild assumptions based off of wild assumptions bullshit to me.

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>>49914394
he's referring to the other gamer with draugr in them

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>>49915734
I find crackpot theories like this one of the best things in ES lore. Fite me.

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>>49915330
Every weekend.

>>49915744
I know we say this every single time, but I'll never not be disappointed that Skyrim didn't channel the Adamowicz concept art more.

>>49915744
The Secret World is not even an Elder Scrolls game.

>>49915566
holy fuck that is awful

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>>49915759
I say that everytime and post his art in almost every thread. And I will continue to do so :^)

>>49915761
cheeky

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>>49915756
excellent

What's up with Karliah's violet eyes? Nocturnal's influence overcoming Azura's curse?

>>49915954
Drizzt syndrome.

How many cliffracers does it take to kill a dragon?

>>49915769
Y-you give me a better canon ending then.

>>49915954
I thought it had something to do with her being half dark elf.

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>>49916052
Doesn't matter, since there will always be more cliffracers coming. A better question is therefore, how many dragons does it take to kill a cliffracers and live?

Honestly though, probably around 10-15 cliffracers. Regular dragons are kinda pussies.

Is the "Khajiit and Argonians can't wear closed helmets because of snouts" thing in Arena/Daggerfall too?

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>>49906294
There's a few things in this theory I have a problem with.

While I love the idea of the Hist being unaffected by the Kalpas, serving as a backup of memory and manipulating the dreamsleeve because they're not bound to the rules of Mundus, I am not of the belief that the Argonians themselves share these alien qualities.
Argonians are a unique race in that they were directly created by the Hist, and are continually adapted by them. However I see the Hist's creation of different Argonian bodies as a way to have them adapt to foreign civilisation better. This would mean that the Argonians themselves would still share the same connection to the world as any Man or Mer, but are in contact to an entity which is not.
Argonians see the world directly and act as observers to the Hist, but there is little to imply they feel completely detached from it.

Also why would the Hist not have full control over Argonian souls?
Surely all argonians have an argonian soul, but non marsh born argonians are probably considered foreign because they not yet one with the Hist.
I'm fairly certain the Hist sap will affect them spiritually, but not change their souls. Argonians still have memories from before their name day.
My theory is that Hist Sap direct form the tree is a direct connection between the mortal argonian and the memories of their immortal soul.
However this might need to done every lifetime to ensure the chain of memory is not broken. The Hist would still have their memories but not be able to sustain the chain.

This would be why they attacked Morrowind in return for slavery. Attempts to breed slaves would break the chain.
The attack against the Dunmer was never suggested to be supported by the Hist, and was Argonians getting revenge.
There was little attempt to completely conquer the nation. Only the southern marsh land owned by the slaver House Dres was kept.
I doubt the Hist would support expansionism if all they are concerned about is keeping the memories.

>>49916770
In Daggerfall, no. I don't know about Arena, but I would guess no as well

>>49914069
A graphics overhaul AND a mechanics dumbdown

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>>49916911
this map kinda sucks

>>49917130
skyrem 2.0 won't change any mechanics tho
wish they would though, they could fix lots of bugs, expand cities a bit, add some more spells, add a few locations...

>>49916770
In Arena/Daggerfall they were just a bit more "wild" human races instead of beast races. At least in case of Khajiits, not completely sure about Argonians.

>>49916911
Jesus Christ, Vvardenfell didn't get hit that hard, right?

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>>49917587
No, you can see the peak from Solstheim. Whoever did the map just forgot/didn't pay attention to that.

>>49915778
>all of that metal

Why even bother with a wooden frame? Just beat out a metal shield.

>>49917587
The Vivec-Castle Ebonheart area is now known as 'Scathing Bay', but the rest should be fairly intact. Balmora still exists.

>>49917657
>have a wooden shield
>put some iron on it to strengthen it
Don't see anything wrong with that.

>>49917236
>skyrem 2.0
They're talking about Skywind not Skyrim SE.

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Too comfy.

>>49915330
usually starts on friday and ends some time between monday and wednesday.

>>49917811
>huge trees
Yes please, the trees in Skyrim were fucking pussies

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>>49917736
Skywind is gonna suck. I do like some of their concept art though.

>>49917811
Nice.

I'm looking for a meme of Ted Cruz with Dagoth Ur's mask. Anyone have it?

>>49916675
Cliffracers are extinct as of Skyrim

Anyone got that Ted Cruz with Dagoth Ur's mask meme?

>>49918188
>>49918456
man im retarded

>>49916675
Can I just say that I thought stuff like that pic was just an in-joke? I'm playing Morrowind seriously for the first time, and holy shit, cliffracers.

Did vivec really fuck molag bal then murder all of his children with his penis?

>>49918514
Yes, but he said 'no homo'

>>49917843
Why would Skywind suck?

>>49918643
Because it would remove most of Morrowind features and make it yet another action RPG, I'm just interested in the assets, so they can be used in OpenMW

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>>49918643
Skyrim's engine actually does not allow for a lot of Morrowind's features.

>>49915707
>>49915717
No he is not.
The Wild Hunt of Borgas happened centuries before Wulfharth was even born.
Anyone who knows a single thing about Wulfharth knows it would be fuck all retarded for him to be anything but a Nord, and the theory itself has literally no consequence other than its own forced stupidity.
If we are to assume anything it is that the spirit YSMIR used the Wild Hunt as a means to kill Borgas.

>>49918879
>I'm just interested in the assets, so they can be used in OpenMW

That would be... a mess.

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>>49916770
Nope.

In Arena, Khajiit are just dudes:
>Khajiit hail from the province of Elsweyr. They are a fair skinned people who are extremely hardy, intelligent, and agile. Legend has it that they descended from an intelligent feline race, for they still retain a strange cast to their features. Many Khajiit have taken to painting their faces to more resemble their distant cousins, the predatory cats that hunt the great desert. Khajiit are expert climbers, able to scale chasm wall sides with speed unmatched by any other race. They are adept at all arts involving thieving and sleight of hand.
>Thy race is born of the desert, where life is cruel and harsh and death comes on vultures wings. Thou art feline and sleek, deadly hunters of the wastes...

Arena Argonians are actually reptilians, but they're less "Rad Lizards" and more "Swamp Monsters":
>Argonians hail from the province of Black Marsh. They are a highly evolved race of reptilians, at home in any marsh-like environment from which they hail. They are known for their intelligence, agility, and speed. Because of their reptilian nature, Argonians do not tire easily while swimming, and seldom drown. They can also swim faster than any other race. They are adept at any art involving the arcane, or involving thievery and sleight of hand.
>Thy race is born of the swamps, thou hast stayed thyself from the open fields, for thou art hunters of a different sort, those who stalk thy prey in the still black waters...

>>49919001
>Borgas killed by the Wild Hunt
Where is this from? Sounds like the kinda shit ESO would come up with

>>49919060
I can't recall where it came from but why is that so suprising to you? It's perfectly reasonable that it would take a great power like the Wild Hunt to put a stop to a juggernaut like a Nordic conquest.

>>49919060
Thats PGE1 lore, anon.

>>49918937
Like what

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>>49919059
Daggerfall doesn't have equipment restrictions either, but we're getting close to the races we know.
Khajiit aren't just dudes who really like cats, they're actually rather feline. Especially in some books, which for example mentions uniquely feline anatomical traits.
This is the game that gives us catgirls, catdicks, and the skintight Khajiit Suit.

Argonians are now clearly visible as reptilians, not just weird swamp freaks.

>>49919252
>skintight Khajiit Suit
im interested

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>>49919059
>>49919252
Weren't that retconned to be different khajit born under different lunar cycles

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>>49919336
Had to track down a clothing shop to get one, but this is what it looks like. At least on my Dunmer.

>>49919371
Yes.
I'm just presenting it as it was presented at the time.
Didn't post the racial descriptions from Daggerfall's manual because it's basically identical to that of Arena, and in the case of the Khajiits kind of doesn't make sense.

I figured the modern explanation of Khajiiti subbreeds was universal knowledge.

>>49919426
Universal knowledge only applies to the universe in your head.

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>>49919426
Nice....

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What's the closest person to Roberth Baratheon in Elder Scrolls lore?

>>49919523
Tiber Septim.

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>>49919523
Ulfric Stormcloak?

I've recently been doing some reading up on TES Lore since I never really bothered much beyond the games. According to the UESP,
> Historically, the Dunmer have resisted worshipping the Aedra of the Nine Divines, and it is likely many Dunmer will be interested in rejoining something similar to the traditions of ancestor and Daedra worship that Ashlanders have kept alive. Does this make the Dunmer and Aldmeri dominion kind of enemies? Then again, it's not really like the dunmer have much of a state left by 4E

>>49919523
Titus Mede.
Durcorach, maybe.

>>49919523
Titus Mede the first. Great warrior, shit ruler, and his dynasty collapsed shortly after

>>49919611
Titus Mede the First was a great ruler, you dipshit. Read the books. Moreover, he doesn't bring down an Empire to carve out his own -- he just takes over the scraps of a fallen one.

>>49919599
>Does this make the Dunmer and Aldmeri dominion kind of enemies?
Yes, but that hostility goes way deeper than just whatever they happen to worship in modern times.
It goes back to the Velothi Exodus.

>>49919599
The dunmer are definitely enemies with the Dominion. The Dominion provoked the argonians to invade Morrowind after the Red Year, and the humans, especially Nords, allowing open borders to let in the many thousands of refugees did wonders to patch the ancestral enmity between the two people's, despite what Windhelm might make you think

>>49919599
>>49919635
Ultimately, the alliance against the Thalmor will look like Hammerfell + the Empire + Morrowind if only because the Aldmeri Dominion wants to eliminate all of them.

There could be an interesting political twist in the Argonians shacking up with the Thalmor and allying the Dominion not because they're like Khajiit and are slaves yearning for masters, but rather because it gives them an excuse to kill more Dark Elves.

>>49919633
Considering the state of the Empire since then, everyone who has stepped into the shoes of Emperor has been shit. The guy he deposed was even worse, but the past 200 years have been real bad for the empire.

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>>49919599
Dunmer and Altmer don't get along very well.

>>49915502

I've also gotten gems and lockpicks from wolves.

I kinda feel sad for veterinarians now: "Your dog ate *what*?"

>>49919523
There really isn't any figures in TES lore that could be considered all that similar to Robert Baratheon. But if I were to pick one, I would say Rislav Larich,

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>>49907390
I believe what I have is often posted in the threads to be honest

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>>49916675

Buy a ranged Destruction spell you idiot. Ranged Absorb Health is even better.

I swear, fucking sword-n-board plebs.

>>49919808
>not travelling at sanic speeds while using super deadly touch spells

>>49919599
The Thalmor basically stand for everything the Dunmer have historically despised about the Altmer.

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Who are the Psijic Order exactly?

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>>49919252

So Morrowind was the exception: lizard titty was canon in Arena and Dageerfall?

Well, then.

>>49919848
Elf Illuminati that are actually kinda the good guys who vanished when the rest of their race decided to shop from Hugo Boss and try to become spirits by killing the shit out of the current reality.

>>49919808
Any context to this? Russia Today has a drone recording some medieval fair and some guy really hates the RT propaganda?

>>49920037
I don't think he actually expected to hit the drone.

Hey lads, how did you raise smithing in skyrim effectively? I apologize, it's just that /tesg/ is pretty useless usually.

>>49920081
Build a ton of whatever requires the least amount of ore and other materials.
Refine armor/weapons that you're using whenever able.
Building the highest level armor you possibly can, just to wear, helps you get several smithy levels also.

>>49919848
An early merethic group of Altmer mystics who wished to unlock the mysterious origins of the universe to find a means of combating material and spiritual degradation.
They eventually came to the belief that Padomay was the causal root of all creation.

>>49920081
get the transmute spell to get easy gold and make a lot of gold necklaces

>>49920081
make a quintillion iron daggers and you'll somehow become skilled enough to forge daedric swords folded a billion times

>>49920037
As I understand it, it was some kinda SCA type thing, and dude was annoyed because drones are out-of-period.

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>>49920081
>>49920205

"All the iron daggers" is the meme way to do it, yes.

Problem is, since everything levels you in Skyrim, you're eventually gonna get rekt by high level opponents because your actually useful combat skills aren't high enough.

>>49920081
The more expensive the item, the more XP you get for the skill. Making jewelry bumps it up quite fast but after a while you're better off running to a trainer who can boost it.

Are the group of mages that trapped the Numidium outside of time (Mirror Logicians if I'm remembering right) part of the Psijic Order? Or are they just another really powerful group of magicians?

>>49920265
>>49920205
That's a lot of iron daggers. About 3 times as much as it was needed at launch with the warrior stone and well rested bonus. Improving would mitigate at higher levels.

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>>49920265
Oh, you leveled illusion and smithing? Well fuck you then.

>>49920365
At least with smithing you can become a god.

We are not tesg minus waifus.

How do you feel about Orcs?

>>49920643
they should have six nipples in game

>>49920643
I can't really say, as I don't know much about them.
They's got the smithing good, they's got the fortresses good, they's got the perpetually destroyed homeland good. Don't know much 'part from that.

>>49920265
>>49920365
>since everything levels you in Skyrim
This is a shitpost right?
People do know that it doesn't work that way in Skyrim, but only in Oblivion.
Frost trolls are always level 22, for example, there's never a level 1 or level 80 one.
This isn't even a lore discussion.

>>49920643
I really do like elder scrolls orcs. Probably my favorite race in all of the games.
> when you can't play an orc in daggerfall and crush puny humans

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>>49920802

Wrong on all four counts but keep trying.

>>49920643
I like that they aren't stereotypical dumb brutes. Many forget the best cook in Tamriel, the librarian of the College of Winterhold and some nobles in Oblivion were Orcs.

>>49920802
It's mix and match, there are static monsters and there are leveled monsters in skyrim.

>>49920643
Second after Dwemer

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>>49920643
>dat armor bonus
>dat smithing
>dat endurance

"Fixed fortifications are a monument to the folly of man."
--Patton.

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What place does portraiture have in Tamrielic culture?
I don't think I've seen any portraits beyond religious monuments, coinage and the ordinator masks.

>>49919681
Titus saved the Empire from utter obscurity and disintegration. He re-established an effective imperial bureaucracy, secret police (the Penitus Oculatus) who could raise the dead in order to interrogate them, and regained control of outlying provinces as far afield as Black Marsh. Moreover, when the Redguards and Bretons teamed up to attack Orsinium, he deployed multiple legions to fuck them up the ass and evacuate whatever Orcs he could to Skyrim/Cyrodiil, forver earning the loyalty of the Orcs.

It's not his fault that his grandchildren fucked everything up by doing away with the bureaucracy and reducing the Penitus Oculatus to little more than glorified bodyguards.

Titus had his own bodyguards and trusted agents who were separate from the Penitus Oculatus (the P.O. was used to go into outer provinces and assassinate/interrogate as necessary to quell any rebellions). These men were marked by the brand of a black wolf on their necks and they were Titus's inner circle of Colovians who had come with him to conquer the Heartland.

Furthermore, Titus knows that P.R. is the main path to keeping control and designed a conspiracy to make his son and heir a famous hero throughout the Empire (to the point that he had dolls and figures made of him) who could sleep with any woman he wanted. The conspiracy was so effective that the prince himself didn't even realize he wasn't the greatest hero/best fighter the Empire had ever seen. But it made him incredibly popular and ensured there would be no rebellions when Titus died and his son had to take over.

(I mean, it wasn't a great plan in that it meant Attrebus was an arrogant shit who overestimated his own abilities, but Titus figured the imperial apparatus he designed would be so sturdy that Attrebus's shortcomings wouldn't matter. Besides, Titus kicked ass, took names, and murdered people so that his son wouldn't have to actually do that shit)

>>49921517
Seems like a portrait of the homelife of an ordinator, his fat-cheeked wife, his son, and their Argonian slave.

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>>49920365
>white korra

>>49921875
Least (actual spoilers for the two TES books) he went to several planes of Oblivion, hunted with Hircine and lived, called Malacath 'shit' TO HIS FACE and I'm pretty sure they became sort of friends from that plus the way he and his father care about Orcs so he has Daedric backing from A PRINCE, made a deal with Vile and didn't get fucked over by him. Not to mention taking out Umbriel.

>>49921903

The wife is also an Ordinator, and I don't see a slave bracer on the Argonian.

Good thing the kid can't talk yet, otherwise they'd both have to kill him for wearing that helmet.

>>49922167
I didn't want to spoil the books so I didn't include all the details about Attrebus. But yes, after the books, Attrebus was certainly on route to be an even better ruler than his father, if not only because of all the Daedric shenanigans I won't spoil. Also was trained by one of the most badass Dunmer ever.

Still sad there wasn't more done with the Medes. The only reference to Umbriel (outside books) in Skyrim is the Sleeping Tree.

>>49920643
They've grown on me as I've been reading more about them. The tribal aspects of them are only interesting to a certain extent, but their interaction with the Empire and Orsinium is very interesting.

>>49922167
Considering that Titus Mede II supposedly wielded Goldbrand at some point go away Legends, there's a fair bit of Daedric ties to the Medes.

>>49921903
given that the argonian is sitting at the table and actually wearing half-decent robes, I'd waged he isn't a slave.

>>49922224
The wife looks nothing like an Ordinator

>>49921903
He didn't ask what that picture portrayed, but what role portraits have in the culture of Tamriel.

>>49921875
Wait, I thought necromancy only raised mindless slaves mostly, and that bringing back the "actual person" was more an accident or something that happened on the fringe. (My experience is sadly mostly just the games.)

I mean doesn't that just make torture even worse? You can actually torture people to the point of death and bring them back then. Or use necromancy to put them in some sort of undying state and then keep torturing them I guess.

>>49922264
I figured it might be something like a Greek tutor slave that the Romans had.

Greek Tutors for Roman children were usually slaves, but they were high class slaves who could be given a stipend and buy their own shit. I thought this might be an Argonian equivalent where he's the child's caretaker/tutor while the parents are busy.

>>49922236
Yes! Bethesda totally dropped the ball on the Medes after commissioning a pair of rather interesting and suitably weird (in that wonderful Kirkbridian kinda way) novels.

Though, I think Goldbrand is probably more to do with his being Emperor than being a Mede. He can probably get his hands on a fancy sword. Attrebus's ties to the Daedra are on a wholly different level.

Still sad the Penitus Oculatus never ripped a ghost back from the afterlife to interrogate it in Skyrim like they do in the books.

>>49922347
As far as I remember, it's basically about stealing the soul back from the Dreamsleeve before it's been bleached of it's memory.

>>49922347
In the books, the Penitus Oculatus have a specific spell which does not bring the person back as a zombie. Rather, it brings back their ghost (which there are plenty of sentient ones in Elder Scrolls).

And yes. It makes the torture worse. This is why the Penitus Oculatus were such effective secret police. Moreover, in Titus Mede I's time, the P.O. was not organized along military branches like the Legion, but as a department of the government with members being called "Inspectors."

For example, the main P.O. character in Infernal City is Inspector Colin, who is deployed to the border of Black Marsh to investigate wtf is going on with the plot of the book.

New thread? Even if we just let it die.

>>49922381
I wouldn't sell the Mede we run into too short. Dude still goes to his cousin's wedding and hangs around Skyrim despite your assassination plot and the PO comes very close to wiping out the DB.

Also he takes his impending death like a fucking champ.

>>49922552
I just wish there'd been more.

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This thread has made me want to play morrowind again, what are some overhaul mods that are lore friendly. Don't want the mod that extends the map outside of vvandenfell

>>49922562
It's hard, the man inherited a shitty situation. From the ingame model. I'd estimate him at around mid 50s (as far as I know his actual birthdate is unknown), so he'd be born around 4E150. This coincides with the failed Argonian invasion of Solstheim. This would mean he'd ascend to the throne at age 18, so I assume either his father died before his maturity and there was a regency (are there regencies?), or just died when the man was still young.

This is what he inherits:
Since the start of the 4th Era, Black Marsh, Valenwood and Black Marshhave left under various circumstances. Black Marsh also fucks up Morrowind in various attacks. Three provinces gone, one basically under constant Argonian threat.

Morrowind is still in shambles and pretty much worthless.
Skyrim has suffered two catastrophes, Winterhold collapses into the Sea of Ghosts, and Riften burns. Remember that Winterhold at one point even was the capital of Skyrim, and not just a shitty town. (4E 122 and 129)

Hammerfell is suffering from infighting between Crown and Forebear factions. High Rock and Cyrodill are doing ok, and Skyrim is ok for the most even though two holds have been fucked hard.

Now, between the time of inheritance and the great war, he has 3 years. We know the thalmor are nazis who always said "lmao domination because mer need to dominate for the greater good.", but they've always sad that. And beyond that, the Empire was more in need of recovery. I'd imagine the emperor would be busy trying to stabilize Hammerfell and rebuilding Morrowind, perhaps diplomacy with Black Marsh.

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>>49923070
Then the Thalmor suddenly act on the the age-old Altmer propaganda of "MUH MER DOMINION". Give up Hammerfell or war. They are incredibly successfull in war because the empire has bad luck/is fucked. The imperial city is sacked, the elder scrolls vanish. After winning a massive victory against the main Thalmor army, the empire is pretty much at its edge. Going much further could possibly cause collapse anyway, and the Thalmor might be able to get a new army. He knows he has to give in or destroy the empire whole. Give up southern Hammerfell and allow the Thalos inquisitors to ban Thalos worship it is. Except Hammerfell secedes, this apparently uniting its peoples, and they successfully become independent against the Thalmor (which might suggest that he could've pushed the war further)

Nonetheless, another province gone, and a god less as well. Two and a half decades of harsh rebuilding whilst let's said 1/6th to 1/3rd of a generation of soldiers died. The lore only mentions two city shittings in the meanwhile (Wayrest and Bravil, we know this from Cicero), but presumably they are hardly the only two cities that have suffered from major unrest/violence/raiders. And then it all ends in 4E201 with Skyrim going full civil war and Mede's final assassination. I imagine he did all he could, but every move was a losing move. There is only the case of losing not quite as hard. Even if he'd won the war against the Thalmor, it's not like the empire would suddenly magically be unified, peaceful and prosperous.

>>49922764
I always grab MCA just for a billion more NPC's wandering around and occasional bandits attacking in random places.

>>49923084
So, should we just figure that it's canon that some Dark Brotherhood punk, be it Dragonborn or otherwise, assassinated him?

>>49923395
It's also the route that lets the DB survive and bethesda would be out of their mind to kill off one of the best loved recurring factions.

>>49923070
>Skyrim is ok
It absolutely isn't.
Most of Winterhold fell into the sea in 4E 122, and most of Riften burned down in 4E 129. The Reach fell to Forsworn in 4E 174.

>>49923473
Honestly, I'm disappointed there wasn't a Penitus Oculatus questline. They're essentially the medieval CIA + FBI + OSS and also have magic.

In order to become a MEMBER of the P.O. (that is, the first thing you need to do to become anything but a prospect) is murder someone for the P.O. And it might not even be someone who's important to the state -- you just need to show you're willing to merc someone. There's a reason why the slang for members of the P.O. is "spectre."

To get back to Inspector Colin Vinebin, his initiation into the P.O. involved him meeting a man, talking about their shared home town of Anvil, the best place to get beer, etc... and then stabbing him to death on a bridge while two other P.O. spectres watch from a distance away.

"It was a clumsy kill, slicing into the man's hands, arms, and abdomen as he struggled and questioned before Colin was able to cut his throat. Two other Inspectors, Arcus and Khasha, help him heave the corpse into the river and chastise him for his carelessness before announcing to him that though it was "sloppy", he accomplished his task and had become an Inspector. The next day, Intendant Marall gave Colin his official papers and asked after Colin's well-being. In response to Colin's questions, the Intendant reminded Colin that it was not his place to question why his targets were targeted."

>>49923796
I mean, hell, imagine an Assassin questline which is all about being a state-sponsored assassin and sneaking into heavily fortified embassies, rebel strongholds, criminal undergrounds, etc. Gaining trust. Murdering in secret (and having to make it look like an accident). Otherwise being sent to interrogate and torture enemies of the state... ncluding torturing them to death and then ripping their souls back from Aetherius to question them some more.

Hell, would'a been easy in Skyrim, too. Make the Penitus Oculatus the "anti-Thalmor" faction, investigating how the Thalmor are manipulating the Civil War to their own ends, having to kill Thalmor envoys, gain information and trust, torture criminals whom the Thalmor have paid off, kidnap LEgionaries and Stormcloaks...

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>>49923395
c0da makes it all cannon bud

>>49924253
>>49924150
derp

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>>49923836
>imagine an Assassin questline which is all about being a state-sponsored assassin and sneaking into heavily fortified embassies, rebel strongholds, criminal undergrounds, etc
Heard you was talkin shit N'wah.

>>49924459
Yeah. You guys, but not absolutely shit at your jobs.

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Ending! Words! ALMSIVI!