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Are dwarves allowed?

Curious; do folks prefer the D&D "draconic" kobolds exclusively? Or do you actually find use for them as rat-goblins or the other various forms they've taken in other media?

Also, have you ever customised your kobolds in some fashion? How did you tweak the template?

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>>49884346
As long as they aren't a gnome in disguise.
Fuck gnomes.

I have a go to character i keep trying to play in pathfinder,Drazzz, a kobold rogue with wings, using a bow for sneak attacking from up high.

>>49884775
Currently using them as prankster house-spirits. You know, the kind that leave your rake in exactly the right place for you to step on and whack yourself in the face with it. They can turn invisible, and are tiny-sized little brown-green human things.

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>>49884102
Goblins, deserve appreciation to.

>>49884775
I use thoroughly draconic-kobolds, but I take a bit from the medieval legend of "kobolds" as mine-spirits who are expert miners and metal-crafters. Because of their small and dexterous fingers, they're considered to be the best gem-carvers, and "koboldwork" is a common human phrase often used to describe very minute, intricate details.

I don't like "always evil" races, so kobolds in that setting aren't predestined to be awful, but their society breeds a certain pitiless nature. Working in highly regimented communities in dangerous conditions, they tend to consider individual life to be expendable and don't let much get in the way of ruthless expediency. One of my players referred to them as "medieval Stalinists." Like the European mine-spirits, the kobolds will generally leave you alone if you aren't messing with them, but they have a reputation of being vicious and spiteful little fuckers if you get in their way or try to take what they consider theirs.

>>49884102
you no take candle

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>>49884994
Bunch'a roving hooligans and bullies that rob the wretched and the down trodden.

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>>49885142
If we gotta be bullies than thats what we gotta be!

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>>49884102
so a while back an idea popped up in a gnoll thread that i really latched onto. the gist of it was fantasy WWII and the kobolds were pretty much the Germans. since then i've been doing some (frankly shitty) wrightfagging for my own enjoyment trying to flesh out the kobolds in particular.

the main reason is i have a friend, an old school grognard, who fucking hates kobolds. like, gets angry OOG if they are mentioned and regardless of alignment he kills them on sight in game. i have only seen him restrain himself once when the party flat out said they'd kill him if he fucked up their negotiations with them. point being i dont want to give him tuckers kobolds. i want to give him a nazi army of tuckers kobolds.

i envision them using shitty low level magic and the understanding of a steam engine to make pretty decent tanks to even the odds in a stand up fight. zeppelins using levitating rocks and steam propulsion.to drop nasty poisons, firebombs or what have you. great digging machines to tunnel up under citys or down to get at dwarves where their weakest.

what little of the setting i have so far is pretty typical, mid level magic, not!midevil Europe. core races have kingdoms where the major players of the real WWII did. human brits, french elves, Asian dwarves, gypsy halflings and polish gnomes. what about half breeds you ask? the good old USA, scooted closer so mid evil travel is still possible W/O magic bullshit.

big point it that there are no living dragons or their spawn save kobolds who are believed largely to be extinct or only found deep underground. until they start working their way up en mass to wage war on the races that slaughtered nearly their entire race.

TLDR; help me make the most diabolical not!nazi steampunk/magitech kobolds possible in a setting with moderate levels of magic.

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And We Love you too, tall warm-bloods.

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>>49886024
What will their Hitler be like?

So, kobolds tend to be depicted as pretty close to the bottom of the food-chain in any D&D setting - I think they rated as something like 1/4 CR to the goblin's 1/2 CR back in 3e? As we all know, D&Dland is full of all manner of killer monstrosities, many of whom would be quite capable of wiping out entire cities worth of kobolds if suitable vexed.

In your setting, how do kobolds survive being so far down the totem pole? What tricks do they have that keep them from going extinct?

I have one biological trick I'm fond of, but it's probably too magical realm to share here.

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>>49890927
While they are the they're the weakest things in the book, they can still pull one over you though three things; Shear numbers, Organization, and Intelligence. There are a /lot/ of kobolds to a den, all working together to mess up our day, often times in ways were they never have to get within spitting distance of you.

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>>49890927
Mostly the standard - Kobolds hide under ground and have lots of traps. Few monsters do well when you drop a mountain on top of them.

Further kobolds in my setting tend to be filthy rich, with loads of gold, silver, rare metals, gems, etc. Some tribes offer this tribute to dragons to serve as protectors for their clan. But other clans use their riches (and magical disguises) to hire out adventurers, or even entire mercenary armies, to fuck up any monster that threatens their homes.

Most animalistic monsters who try to mess with kobolds tend to fall for their traps. Those who are smart enough to get past the traps often understand that they could be stuck dealing with group of powerful and dangerous murderhobos if they aren't careful.

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>>49889775
Pun pun

>>49884346
I have a kobold planned who views kobolds and dwarves as very similar. They both are very community focused. Doing what they can to protect their homes. Good at making things(traps/smithing) Both live undergrounds. Both are shorter than most races. Both often underestimated and hated by the ones above ground.

He wants to make peace with dwarves cause they have so much in common and he thinks they could be good friends. My friend also wants to play his dwarf wife.

This seems like THE place to go.

Hey Guys,

once there was this gem of a PC game called ...
"Kobold Camp" and it was a dorf fortress mod.
At what state is it nowadays?

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My party has a few kobold clerics that travel with them. They're pretty fun to have around.

Recently they acquired actual armor, which both of them are pretty astounded by. They have some spare cash left over (~10GP each). What should they spend it on?

>>49891749
Hookers and blackjack?

>>49891825
They're clerics.

The idea of them getting into gambling debt is kind of funny, though.

>>49891749

Cheese. Pastries. The kind of 'delicacies' you wouldn't get underground?

Maybe a pillow or genuine bedroll.

>>49886024
i like the steam tanks.
-May steam mechs too? For good measure?
-What about trolls throwing fists full of firebomb throwspears/missles?
-FLAMMENWERFER!
-gnome/fairy concentraion camps?
-make them use the Klappspaten for close combat.

>>49892327
That was kinda the idea. Steal from what the batshit crazy nazi scientists made and give it a magitech/kobold twist. I was thinking little steam and hydraulic driven mechs about the size of a man as assault suits with an invisible steel plate for a viewport. Just creative application of low level spells to overcome technological hurtles.

Gnome camps are a must, racial enemys and all. Plus slave tinkerers to fuel the war machine.

If you haven't already look up florine trichloride, horrifying stuff. The nazis developed it as flamethrower fuel but it was WAY to volitile. Floating rock zeppelins dropping that shit would be as bad as a dragon attack.

>>49892971
It's Chlorine Trifluoride actually.

>>49892327
BUt as for the trolls, i was wanting to stay away from them using other monsters so much. I'm not against the idea totally but i was wanting to focus on their tech being their greatest strength. Using that diabolical ingenuity to build solution to their physical drawbacks rather than bullying bigger monsters to do shit for them.

that said, power armored troll shock troopers sounds pretty fuckin metal.

>>49893237
Yeah that. Thanks dislexia.

Kobold with the Dragon Bloodline [Dragon was surely drunk to screw a Kobold] becomes Sorceress.
Grows strong enough to start leading tribe by blowing up previous chief.

player characters at least 5th level meet up with band of Kobolds... need new player Characters.

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Where da kobolds at?

>>49890927
I'm actually morbidly curious now; is all of the kobold love due to their appeal as D&D's greatest underdogs, lacking the "chaotic stupid/evil" stigma of the goblins? Or are there anons out there who actually have a place for kobolds in a magical realm?

>>49898115
Both.

>>49898115
>>49898434
It's just the magic realm thing

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I have nothing but love for kobolds.

In both lewd and nonlewd ways.

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>>49884346
sure

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>>49884346
I don't see why not

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It's often easier to find something sexually attractive if you like it for reasons outside of sexuality.

>>49891749
Did you start having the adventures pay for spells?

>>49884994
Hobgoblins>goblins

Kobolds are the laughing stock of the dungeon

>>49890927
>In your setting, how do kobolds survive being so far down the totem pole? What tricks do they have that keep them from going extinct?
They don't get noticed or as always, they serve dragons. They're parasites (or symbiotes) in a way, all creatures fear dragons and in return they serve the dragons, never really moving out of their caves.

When a dragon do dies its basically a slow, horrible death of that kobold clan as all the beasties and terrors move in for the tasty snacks or they simply retreat away, never to be found or noticed again. For as soon as anyone catches wind of them they're in horrible trouble.

>>49898434
>>49898454
>>49899686

But how can you make kobolds a magical realm thing? Is it just their being willing to bang humans? Because, honestly, with humanity's hat in D&D practically being "town bicycle", I don't see that as very magical realmy.

Now, kobolds as hipsome reptilian shortstacks with biologically justified lizard-tits and pseudo-hermaphroditism, that's magical realming them. :P

>>49898115
Tuckers Kobolds

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>>49884102
#koboldlivesdontmatter

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>>49900873

fug u.

>>49898115
I've always liked kobolds, since i played in 3.0. something about little reptile people who are nible and weak, the only way they can survive is to be smarter, something they still need to work on, so when get to play a kobold it's usually that he is INT whatever a PCm a fucking genius as a kobold. The ultimate objective to take a kobold tribe and turn it into a kingdom to rival others. I guess underdog is part of it. Roguery is another, and for some reason they don't register as fur faggotry so... there ya go

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>>49898115
I just think smaller races are adorable. the uglier they are the more adorable I find them, everything from kobolds, goblins, dire rats, to bearded female dwarfves

>>49898115
Both

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>>49900323
>Now, kobolds as hipsome reptilian shortstacks with biologically justified lizard-tits and pseudo-hermaphroditism, that's magical realming them. :P
Everything but the hermshit is 10/10, tho

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>>49903460
nah, tits a shit

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>>49903597
>fatshit
dfc is nice, however

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>>49903606
fatbolds are for cuddles only

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posting superior kobold breed

>>49903700
>obese
Remove

>>49903771
>furry
REMOVE

>>49884775
I like the draconic origin of kobolds but I also like their mythological origins too. Usually my kobolds come from accident, either breath, spittle, or blood of a dragon on raw ore births kobolds into the world. In my one campaign they're deliberately created to be menial workers in the dragons hordes and minor stealers/collectors. One dragon owns the greatest bank in all the systems, and the vaults teem with scurrying kobold clerks.

>>49903907
You, your waifu, your taste, and this thread all belong in the /trash/

>>49903938
not my waifu tho
I just find dog girls cute

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Photo realistic kobold.

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>>49903856
what if she lost the weight?

Any skeletal kobolds?

Am planning a kobold character who plans on becoming a "dracolich" (or, as close as a kobold can get anyways.)

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>>49904115
Is there more like this?
please say there is.

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>>49904182

>>49904342
kobold goddess a slut

>>49904342
Little to much cutebold for my taste, but I like the general idea.

>>49899885
The clerics didn't cast any spells last session, so not yet.

>>49904166
Better, and good for her; proper health is an important part of any profession, adventurer or civilian.

>>49903460
Thing is, as I've said, it's all born out of ideas tha actually makes sense:

Your "default look" for kobolds of both sexes is a cute androgyn to the untrained human's eyes.

Both sexes have deliciously large hips and nice butts because they both need to be capable of passing eggs.

The fact male kobolds can get pregnant, and female kobolds can impregnate, means you can't wipe them out, as any two kobolds can repopulate.

The "breasts" are actually breast-like deposits of fat that both sexes get if they can eat enough to support it, which means they're actually status symbols/mating displays for kobolds; any kobold who's successful enough to grow those is clearly doing something that makes him or her a valuable breeding partner.

>>49903856
Come now, that's weaboo/monster girl, which is WORSE.

>>49904869
>filename
is there more to this sequence?

>>49904869
>>49904950
Lads, take it to /trash/

>>49901230
They don't "register" as furfaggotry because they're not awful and cringeworthy.

It's the same fetish (furry/anthro/xenophilia), just done in a way that's actually fucking good rather than "Check out my neon Green and yellow fox man with an electric blue dick!"

It's like comparing a doctor who fanfilm to empire strikes back. Sure, both are sci-fi but one is cringe worthy autism and the other is 10/10 amazing

>>49904950
Yeah, it's the first in a 5 part sequence. Can't show the last one here, because at that point she's grown out of her top. But, you can find it on her creator's tumblr...

http://nsfwlk.tumblr.com/tagged/kitchen-princess/

Fourth post from the top should be the complete sequence.

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there needs to be more kobolds in modern settings

>>49905016
>weight gain
Fucking why

I guess dying early of a heart attack and losing a foot to diabetes is somehow sexy to people

>kobold thread
>OP posts lizardmen
GET IT TOGETHER TYRONE

>>49905357
What's the difference?

>>49905375
kobolds are mammalian (-ish?)
if they're not furry then they're closer to goblins or gremlins (although the furry variety is the original - see Kobolds Ate my Baby)

how do you not know this?

>>49905412
(original folktale sources are also good)

>>49905412
>folklore and traditional myth
>having any bearing whatsoever on modern conceptions of monsters

They're short, rather clever trap-making lizardpeople. Dogbolds a shit, Goblinbolds a shit.

>>49905455
>modern bastardization of words people are too lazy to look up before using the word in a sourcebook that even lazier readers will never look up
k, got it

>>49905449
>>49905455
>>49905479
but to set the record straight:

Kobolds are grouped with Brownies, red caps, gnomes, goblins, gremlins, leprechauns, etc.

>>49905479
>implying all of modern fantasy isn't a bastardization

>>49905509
In traditional myth.

>>49898115
kobolds are my favorite race
i played 2e, a little of it before going to 3e, i remember kobolds being those odd dog/rat hybrids at the time.

then i remember opening the monster manual for 3e the first time, checking every monster, I still remember saying literally "Well what do we have here!?" when coming to the kobold and instantly falling in love with that somewhat dopey lookin kobold guard with the spear and loved them ever since, and that was roughly 15 or so years ago.

>>49905479
>>49905509
>>49905514
you're retarded

think about it for just a second...

when have you ever seen a reptilian creature make tunneling burrows and/or mine?
THE ANSWER IS NEVER
>unless all you know is D&D which is both sad and a complete bastardization of almost everything its been influenced by without actually using it

>>49905553
I can't even think of any warm blooded dinosaurs that burrowed!

when dinosaurs ruled the earth mammals were laying down the foundations of being a kobold

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>>49905604
again, that's a lizardperson

kobolds look more like this

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>>49905604
>>49905653
or this

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>>49905604
>>49905653
>>49905658
or this

>>49905653
>>49905658
>>49905684
Those are all fucking shit, though

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>>49905604
>>49905653
>>49905658
>>49905684
or even this

>>49905691
no, what you're posting is shit and to understand why please read my earlier posts about why reptile kobolds don't even make sense are only based on D&D's incorrect interpretation

have you ever played anything besides D&D?

>>49905722
>stop liking what I don't like
Alright, sorry.

>>49905737
I said everything but that, you're being stubborn now because I've insulted you for being a novice

I apologize, but please do stop posting things that are not kobolds in a kobold thread

>>49905553
>>49905586
>fantasy must follow reality

>>49905722
Or, and here's the kicker
>it doesn't matter if it's from DnD or not
>DnD's incorrect interpretation is somehow better than your "truthful" version
>it's just fantasy
>the things you're posting are just ugly not!Goblins

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>>49905748

>>49905748
Kobolds (and all of fantasy and other make believe things) are whatever people want them to be. Do you really think the modern dwarf is equivalent to those old scandinavian folktales?

In any case, reptilian/draconic kobolds are superior to dogbolds and gobolds, and are an interesting enough race that they can stand on their own.

>>49905752
>fantasy must follow fantasy because it's fantasy

>better
now you're actually doing the "STOP LIKING WHAT I DON'T LIKE" thing

please actually support your position or stop trolling

>>49905775
>superior
again, unless you can back this up it's bait

>>49905783
By definition, defining fantasy according to your imagination is defining it to fantasy. It can follow reality, but it need not.

>>49905783
>>49905793
>'better'
>'superior'
I think drabolds and lizbolds are a more interesting race than dogbolds and gobolds are, the former just being more beastmen and the latter just being yet another race of goblins, faefolk, or what have you.

>>49905831
that's exactly what they are!

and in what possible way are they 'more interesting'?
THEY DON'T MAKE SENSE

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>>49905847
>that's exactly what they are!
Nah, that's what you thin they are.
I think kobolds are reptilian.

>and in what possible way are they 'more interesting'?
A race of diminutive, draconian-descended mooks worshipping, protecting, and serving their chosen local dragon is pretty neat, more so than "short, mammalian, subterranean race #24"

>THEY DON'T MAKE SENSE
They don't have too, and if you really need proof from reality, there are a few burrowing/digging reptiles in nature.

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>>49905872
if this is bait, it's good

you have no idea the hurricane of autism I will bring down upon this peaceful land if you don't post a proper gremlin right this fucking second

>>49905903
>>49905831
>>49905903
also, what're you're calling "fantasy" amounts to "rule of cool" (lazy writing) + "I'm a hack and can't come up with an original name for something so I'll just steal one from folklore and misuse it to reference something completely unrelated but confusingly still a fantasy creature - for no other reason than I'm a complete idiot who writes the D&D monster manual for other complete idiots who get their entire view of fantasy from D&D" (lazy writing ^squared)

wow that was a long equation

>>49905903
>what I think they are
dude, you're the one getting your definition from A SINGLE SECOND-HAND SOURCE

it's not that "I think" that's what Kobolds are, THAT'S WHAT KOBOLDS ARE

>>49905921
Anon, I'm concerned that you might actually have autism at this point. If you're going to sperg this much for kobolds, you might as well do it for dwarves, elves, and pretty much everything in generic fantasy for not being 100% faithful to its source material, or not coming up with its own name.

You should try separating traditional folklore and mythology from modern fantasy.

Anons? A query for you; so, there's this kobold party member who dearly wants to become a paladin.

In our last quest, we find ourselves facing off against an Unholy Scion - for those of you who skipped Heroes of Horror, this is a demon that possessed an unborn baby in the womb, eating its soul so it could be born into the mortal world. End result is basically a baby with the mind, soul and powers of a demon.

Long story short, the Unholy Scion has the rest of the party incapacitated with its spells, but our kobold manages to evade them and get the drop on it. She beats it down, then realizes it's regenerating, panics, and then eats it because "acid stops regeneration, right?"

It works, in that she kills the Unholy Scion, but... can she still become a paladin after this?

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>>49905909

>>49905949
then let me put your fears to rest...

Elves are okay because they're pretty damn close to the folklore and everything that's been added or changed still falls in that range or expands on it without contradicting itself

Dwarves are okay for pretty much the same reason (side note: thanks to tolkien much of this is both based on folklore and solidified in fantasy)

other fantasy creatures:
most of them are alright, it's really just kobolds that everyone gets wrong because of D&D

that being said I have no idea why kobolds got misinterpreted in the first place but as far as I can remember most other D&D races are folklore-standard

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>>49905980
crisis a-fucking-verted

>>49905982
Whatever the reason, it's good that they did. Traditional kobolds are superfluous and redundant, while reptile kobolds serve a purpose and fill a niche. If you're letting autism over traditional naming get to you, then your should look at your priorities.

And, in any case, modern interpretations and definitions trump old ones.

There was some discussion a while back about /k/obolds.

Tacticool kobolts in a fantasy setting with early firearms, they swore off their dragon masters and took up arms to fight for themselves.

It was pretty great, there was talk about tactics logistics, equipment, types of kobold soldiers with specializations and squad formations.

I think the later draft was about them being mercenaries that used underdog guerilla tactics.

Anyone who remembers and still somehow has a link or screencap? Those pictures of kobolds with firearms like >>49886024 >>49886053 >>49886065 really got me into the mood to turn this shit into a game .

>>49906028
>newer is always better
you best check yo'self b4 u wreck yo'self

>>49905982
>everyone gets kobolds wrong because of D&D
>everyone calls a "fantasy kobold" a kobold

who gives a shit, the meaning of the word has changed

the fact that the new kobold has prevailed over the old kobold means people prefer it, it is superior

Also, if you want to get that pedantic:
>"Our earliest substantial evidence for elf-beliefs comes in medieval texts from Anglo-Saxon England and high medieval Iceland, with a scatter of texts from the German-speaking world. Some general themes are apparent: elves were human(-like); were once pagan divinities of some kind; and were dangerous: they could cause harm to people or livestock, or might seduce people into sexual relationships with them."

>>49906028
>>49905949
side note: why does every D&D player think it's cool that reptile-bolds serve dragons?

how is it not WAY cooler for dragons to have actual slaves? (as in, human or equivalent in physical stature)

>>49906085
I didn't say it was better, only that newer trumps (supercedes) older.
And, in this case, newer is indeed better.

>>49906097
I didn't say that second one and you're willfully misinterpreting my words here

also it's a terrible argument if you're saying that words should change because people are stubbornly misusing them to mean something it doesn't for no other reason than they don't know what it means

>>49906112
that first sentence is inaccurate and also doesn't make any sense

>>49906112
>>49906148
supercede =/= trump

>>49906127
edit: "... that a* word* should change..."

>>49906127
how do you call a reptilian kobold?

>>49906177
the word you're looking for is "lizardperson" or "lizardman"

>>49906111
Because the Kobolds are choosing to serve the dragons voluntarily; it's part of their culture/religion.

>>49906127
Words mean what people want them to mean.

>>49906148
>>49906160
Now you're just being needlessly pedantic; if 95% of people today think that X means Y, while 95% of people 50 years ago thought X means Z, then X means Y.

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>>49906207
>lizardman
No, those are bigger, and generally look more like alligators than dragons. See pic related. You don't call halflings human.

>>49884775
My kobolds are, in fact, the litt>>49884775
siblings of Dragons.
When a dragon lays eggs, they will hatch with different speeds. About 90% of the 100 eggs will produce kobolds, the longer the egg hatched, the more kobolds hatch. a handfull eggs will take at least a year to hatch and produce giant kobolds, pseudadragon, any sort of half formed dragon missing some features or hybrid creatures of the aforementioned. The last one to two eggs will take about 5 years and produce true dragons.

During that time, the kobolds guard the nest with devotion, after hatching dragons will usually look out after their kobolds.

>>49906267
fair enough

maybe warhammer fantasy's "skink" would be better?

>>49906254
use the word pedantic correctly and I'll rebut

>>49906302
>use the word pedantic correctly and I'll rebut
now you're just being semantic.

>>49906282
this is the best explanation of how lizardmen are created that I've ever heard

>in this case "lizardmen" is being used like "greenskin" in WH

>>49905016
KitPrin is best princess.

>>49906311
you get one more try

>>49906319
The family is called draconics.
I have lizardmen as well, which are distant cousins to kobolds, but they have feathers as they descend from feathered serpentine dragons and live in fantasy-aztec blood cults on my wild and uncharted continet.

They are also just launched an invasion of the mainland which will hit in one week ingame time. funf fun fun.

>>49906332
autistic?

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>>49906368
please be my GM

>>49906368
>sunset invason

>>49906387
BOOT TO THE HEAD

>>49906504
Yes. That and too much Dominions 4.

>>49906449
Sorry anon, I already have 9 people in my group

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In mythology it is of great importance to not only go by name but also by context. This context is most of the time defined by a certain region or culture.

Some stories may say elf in the text, but as you read on you quickly notice that they are not thin handsome long eared robin hoods, but tiny winged beings that you would know as fairies.

If we go back, way back to early kobold stories and tellings, then they are small to tiny mostly invisible creatures that may fool you into thinking that they are smaller furniture or objects, playing tricks on the house owners.

Dwarf, Elf, Troll, Kobold, are terms which have completely different meanings in different geological regions, and fictional story settings.
Context is key.
The story teller is the one who gives us context.
small creatures? they are nimble and cheeky? but not human.
dwarf? nah...
goblin? we have that one allready.
how about kobold!
people know that word, alone the sound of it carries that concept with it.
If you think of the word you already know:
small, nimble, rascally.

In the end it is the thought through work of the story teller to make them believable, to give them a place in the world, to make this race play off another race, object or place.
1 single Element in a Fictional story on its own is just a gimmick, cheep, not realistic or immersive.
It is easy to throw it over and say "that is not how it should be".

But set into context it turns into something magnificent.

...gremlin

>>49906368
>>49906529
>>49906504
Something I forgot to add:
Drenching their feathers in fresh heartblood gives them magic power. Blood cult and all that.

I played a kobold girl once. It was in a futuristic version of faerun. She was a mechanic.

Her dad was an ex-adventurer who retired to raise his daughter after his wife and adventuring partner died. She was just an egg at the time.

One of her long term goals was to save up the cash for a true resurrection so she could meet her mom.

>>49906572
To be fair, Spiral Knights gremlins are A+ top tier.

>>49905973
Depends on the setting, to some degree. In my personal setting doing this will not disqualify her, but in some it may.

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>>49906631
those sir, are fightin' words

>>49906368
Fun facts: My party managed to defeat an entire Lizardman invasion with just them, their kobold bros, some "helpful" drow (who wanted Lizardman bodies to do evil things with), and a large number of untrained peasants.

Turns out that land mines are highly effective against grouped armies.

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>>49906631
I like gremlins like that too.
basically I like all kinds of small creatures that cause a load ruckus.
kobolds, goblins, gremlins, fairies, gnomes, and the like.
In my setting Kobolds get a furcoat in colder regions, where they are called gremlins...
pic just semi related

>>49905479
so are modern elves, dwarfs, goblins, liches, dragons, and pretty much any race of creature that wasn't made up by whatever RPG company. So your statement doesn't have to much barring.

>>49906696
I'll fight you if I must, sirrah.

>>49906631
It's really a shame that the game never took off. Art was amazing, and combat was quite fun. I feel like it could have been a pretty big hit if they had released on consoles.

>>49906754
Well, it had some teething issues.

But hey, Grey Havens owns it now, so they can actually do things with it now.

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Acceptable sources for, Gremlins:
-Roald Dahl
-Gremlins (1984, film)
-Gremlins (novelization of 1984 film)
-Gremlins 2: The New Batch (1990, film)
-Looney Tunes, Falling Hare (1943, cartoon)
-Merrie Melodies, Russian Rhapsody (1944, animated film)
-WWII anecdotal stories from pilots
-any derivations of the above canons focused on small to tiny creatures characterized by a predilection for mischief (and in some cases mayhem), commonly inflicted through the manipulation of industrial and post-industrial age technology (including computerized technology)

>>49905545
even in 2e they where covered in scales and had small horns

>>49906748
you're a little late to the debate, my point was proven in subsequent posts

also, the point you're trying to make is this: >>49906572

definitely turning into an awesome gremlin/kobold homebrew idea thread though

>>49906686
Yeah, I know it's partially a "depends on the setting" thing, I was just curious on how anons here would view it since, y'know, on the one hand it's killing a powerful demon to protect her friends, but on the other hand it's eating a baby.

Have to confess, the idea of her nonchalantly replying to the question of "how did you win your paladinhood" with "I ate a baby" is some black comedy gold.

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>>49906839
ladies and gentlemen, the hacks who gave us the Balor

>>49906882
The age of one's body matters only about as much as ones clothes.

If it was mentally old enough to want to kill you ans be horridly evil, it was old enough to get smoten.

>>49905120

In the past, larger meant healthier. People didn't get as big as they get nowadays

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Kobolds are for noseboops and cuddling.

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>>49907093
>cuddling a D&D kobold
dat's kold blooded

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>>49906894
I'm just saying that even earlier modern fantasy had kobolds as scaly little creatures with dog-like muzzles and non-prehensile rat-like tails.

>>49884775
I tend to have Tari http://www.lomion.de/cmm/tari.php fill the roll of ratbolds and have both dogbolds and lizbolds as kobolds.
Lizbolds are the original kobolds of the region but many decades ago a canine like race appeared from lands of the far east. They had stowed away on large merchant ships after the ships set sail with them still on board trying to steal cargo. By unfortunate chance they also called themselves kobolds. Now both the lizbolds and dogbolds hate each other and will fight when they run into each other because they both believe themselves to be the true kobolds and that the others should be called kobAlds.

All other races just call both of them kobolds and don't really care because they just see both races as small annoying thieves.

>>49907161
>not letting a little shortstack reptile girl cuddle up to you for warmth
poor taste

>>49907161
They aren't actually noted as being coldblooded. They're draconian, not reptiles.

And from a scientific standpoint, monotremes are a thing.

>>49907271
>>49907287
enjoy your scaly cloaca you degenerate lowlifes

fifinella > lizardgirl

>>49907338
wait, that's a gremlin

still, furry kobolds are better
>in just every possible way
>not that that would make you any less degenerate

>>49907287
>Biologically speaking, there are actually no differences between dragons and kobolds
>the true difference is that a small percentage of the draconic race are born with a particularly mighty soul, so immense and powerful that it manifests as internal fire (or lightning, or freezing winds, or what have you depending on the particular subspecies of dragon)
>the energy provided by a dragonsoul allows for the normally diminutive species to grow to great sizes and strength, indefinitely large and powerful even
>kobolds, on the other hand, are rather short and cold blooded, and could easily be mistaken for lizardfolk were it not for their draconic snouts
>kobolds in service to their exceptionally powerful siblings, ancestors, and relatives may actually be emboldened by their presence, fragments and slivers of their lord's dragonsoul augmenting them, causing a few select and favored kobolds to grow to human size, and a few more even to the size of a horse
>along with having weaker versions of their lord's breath, they are called drakelings and drakes.

>>49907338
>cloaca
0/10, regular poon (+tits) is enough.

>furry
>not more degenerate than scaleshit

>>49907381
>in D&D

although I have no opinion on whether or not D&D kobolds are cold blooded or not, I was just making a joke - but if I had to guess I'd say they're warm blooded like dinosaurs

>>49907400
That's not even from DnD, I just made it up on the spot.

>>49907271
I can't really see kobolds as being coldblooded, since they dont always get a lot of sun, but I can see them as endothermic, but vulnerable to the cold due to their low body mass and scales.

It's less of an issue in the caves, but as soon as you introduce things like windchill or greater airflow, they start having problems.

>>49907395
>cloaca
>regular poon
pick one

also, I don't mean "furry", I mean mammalian kobolds (as opposed to the lizardman/draconic subspecies mistakenly named "kobold")

>>49907400
>cold blooded
>warm blooded
these are obsolete terms anyway

>>49907410
I was more referring to the premise of your homebrew - but unfairly since yeah, you were not talking about D&D

>>49907430
>pick one
I just did; regular poon.
cloaca is for autistic fags who also get upset when they see a human-like ass on their lizards.

>also, I don't mean "furry", I mean mammalian kobolds (as opposed to the lizardman/draconic subspecies mistakenly named "kobold")
Are you still on this? Kobolds are reptilian, the old meaning is obsolete and outdated.

>>49907433
now THAT's pedantic

sorry if you're new to the thread, that's a callback joke; ctrl+F "pedantic"

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>>49906809
>no twilight zone grimlin

>>49907422
maybe they are like naked mole rats in that their core temperature can change wildly and they are just fine?

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>>49907481

>>49907455
sorry, I thought you were the anon who first responded - you and I are in poon agreement

WE ARE NOT IN KOBOLD AGREEMENT
>seriously, have you ever played anything besides D&D?

>>49907481
I FORGOT ABOUT THE TWILIGHT ZONE GREMLIN!

good catch

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>>49907496
forgot pic

>>49907496
>>seriously, have you ever played anything besides D&D?
I don't even play DnD or TTRPGs in general; I'm just on /tg/ for the wargames and fluff discussion

>>49890927
Honestly, yeah, this is true. Kobolds also have a particularly bad disadvantage.

There's nothing above a Kobold that will fight alongside them.

Goblins? Maybe they have another greenskin, or even mercenaries that fight alongside the tiny green fuckers. Hell, the general fantasy hierarchy is:

Goblins => Orcs => Dragon/Some magical bad dude

You don't get that with Kobolds.

Kobolds ostensibly are related to Dragons, but, one can only imagine what the Dragons think of them. It'd be like seeing a man in the shape of a horse, for a dragon. Not a qt centaur, just... A man twisted into a horse-shape.

So yeah, Kobolds have maybe a boss that sees them as disposable at best.

So, Kobolds stick with Kobolds. This makes for a unique challenge as a DM. There is no 'bigger monster' Kobolds are employed by that'll fight alongside them. Just Kobolds, and maybe some sort of loosely tamed dungeon critter that won't attack them first.

That creates a question: What can I do to make these Kobolds scarier? And, it's a question you can't just answer with, 'put an Orc in with them'.

So, you make the Kobolds themselves scarier. Give them guns, give them traps, give them inventiveness. Give them a terrifying cunning to make up for their fragility, even compared to the common Goblin.

Kobolds are a biological impossibility without something in their favor. Could you imagine an organism in real life that deliberately chooses to stay where its greatest predators are?

Dungeons attract Adventurers. Adventurers kill Kobolds. Kobolds need something to justify them staying in the Dungeon.

>>49907541
so you're what you're saying is you're completely and utterly, irredeemably cancerous?

thanks for the honesty

>>49907598
Wow rude, wargames are still /tg/ and so are all the non-game system related fluff threads.

>>49907583
hence, the kobolds from Kobolds Ate my Baby
>which explains everything about why and how kobolds exist in fantasy settings
>in any dungeon, in many caves, etc.
>and in numbers that suggest a certain 'cannon fodder'-y nature

>>49907618
correct on both latter points but what you miss is that you're making unsupported arguments because you don't know what you're talking about in this particular thread - and that's rude because it looks like you're trolling

>>49907583
Kobolds survive exactly how humans survived. Not the fastest, strongest, or toughest, but the smartest and most clever. Their even weaker physicality is made up for by their numbers, which also means more minds to think up clever things.

Also the most determined. A kobold can learn to be a wizard in a fraction of the time it takes an elf, going by pathfinder's class ages.

>>49907666
But we're not talking about DnD, we're talking about Kobolds in the generic.

Nice Satan trips btw, checked

>>49907677
the standard in kobold society for 'wizard' however, is much lower than the elf standard

imagine some furry little kobold scampering about shouting random incantations which occasionally have explode-y effects but which just as often backfire, making 'wizard' a hazardous occupation in kobold society

usually only the oldest and toughest kobolds who have just enough smarts to not read from a spellbook they find in some random dungeon may one day acquire a magic item which they use to whack other kobolds around and other leader-y things - and these are the closest thing to a true 'wizard' in kobold society

>>49907726
exactly my point here.

generic kobolds are NOT lizardfolk
only D&D kobolds are lizardfolk

that's why it looks like you're trolling

>>49907759
and being able to read in the first place is a major hurdle for a kobold

>>49907767
Except that in the generic sense, kobolds are indeed reptilian. Pretty much everyone thinks of kobolds as some kind of lizardfolk, even if they have never so much as touched a traditional game in their life.

Kobolds as mammalian/fae is an outdated conception, one that has been replaced by kobolds as reptilian, mostly because of DnD, but has spread into generic/consensus fantasy.

>>49907815
nice, thanks for confirming yourself to be a troll

every good thread needs one

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ko0hsrkDm4
Posting excellent kobolds.

I like to vary takes between settings, but I've got a soft spot for the dragon-servant variety. It's easy to empathise with the little guys stuck between power and power, and having to make bad deals with the second to keep from being eaten. Assuming a fairly equal ratio of true believer dragon cultists and depressed semisoviet workermans.
Some takes:
>Pseudo imperial chinese, actually have a developed (if astoundingly corrupt and bureaucratic) civilisation, serving the very few dragons that make up the imperial family and use them in long-reaching power schemes. Solve problems with 9001 kobolds with crossbows.
>Kobolds that got stuck in an abandoned dwarf hold, almost all died to the traps but the remainder got to reading and learning how the engineering worked. A few decades later a dragon swoops in and tries to take the whole place over and stick them back in shitty tribal organisation- they manage to kill it with guile and the new leadership goes full stalin propaganda about how the rest of the dragons are going to eat them, leading to a mountain fortress full of paranoids
>Little tribal bastards in a hellish jungle of apex predator dragon things, with an absurd breeding rate to keep up. They realise that stuffing the dragons lets you carve off parts to make crazy good weapons and the like, and proceed to start capturing and sacrificing each other to get the bits. Then they build big blocky stone pyramids to make attracting the dragons easier...
>Dragons are masters of lifewarping, kobolds are an easy-to-maintain template you can make by the hundred from dragon eggs. This gives them an instinctual familial relation to "Clutchmates", no matter how divergent they happen to be.

>>49907677
I like it, they may be bottom of the barrel and don't get respected by anyone but god they are still going to do their best even if it kills them.

Especially with being fast and determined learners, they just scavange any book or other source of information of how to learn a skill and then try working it from every angle.

Some find a badly burned book about magic with only the first few pages intact, they become obessed with it anyways despite only having the instructions for one very basic spell for beginners so they cast it over and over again, perfecting their technique and finding ever more creative application methods.
Others find a book on traps but can not figure out the language it is in, so they just start copying what they see in the pictures on the side. Even if they can't know which materials are needed for each specific trap (as it is probably written in words in the instructions) and have to figure out how a mechanism works themselves, they will still build the traps as depicted over and over again until they either through sheer luck got a trap to work or simply invented a different mechanism that just looks like it should fit into the trap.

>>49907878
well, as D&D's token red shirt (even with goblins and skeletons around) you're either quick or a smear on a dungeon floor

>>49907878
>>49907677
In my old setting, they beat dwarves on speed, if not safety, of excavation. They're willing to work the same hours, under worse conditions, with shittier tools, and there's also five to ten times as many.

>>49907868
http://www.poppy-opossum.com/comic/poppy-3-page-16-2/

I knew I recognized that crocodillian

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>>49907767
generic kobolds Are lizardfolk.
They are also dogfolk, goblinfolk, ratfolk, or whateverfolk you want to make them.
This isn't early europe, this is 2016 and there are many interpretations of them now, whether you like it or not. Just because you want to be oldschool hipster with it. or more likely just trolling.

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>>49907970
>kobolds beating dwarves on speed and safety of excavations
um... wut?

>with shittier tools
<pic

>>49907866
>disagreeing with you
>a troll
Lad, you fucking what?
You may as well define "gay" as "the state of being happy" with how you're going on about old definitions.

>>49908036
if you're going to troll a thread at least make an effort

>>49908082
>everyone who disagrees with me is a troll
w e w

>>49908079
>>49908082
when I said "troll harder" this is not what I had in mind

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>>49908050
Speed and very much NOT safety. They'll happily just keep digging out collapses until they hold.

It's a team of very patient engineers versus eight times that many starving dudes who've been promised food if they can bring up enough ore.

>>49908050
I think the idea is that dwarves take time and pride in what they do. They use fine-ass tools and make fine-ass tunnels.

Kobolds just do it.

>>49908079
>>49908093
>>49908104
okay, I like the repetition but to get somebody angry you have to do more than that

how about actually saying something, from an uninformed point of view, would seem to cast doubt on what I've already proven
>the problem is I've already proven it so you're targeting people who havn't read the thread already

>>49908105
k, that makes a little more sense

but now I'm wondering how the chief kobold is feeding his horde/band/tribe/etc.

>>49908125
edit: "...something that*, from..."

>>49908121
The dwarves plan it out, draw up the blueprints, form a committee to decide on the defensive measures, commission noted carvers to put in murals, and finish every surface to a glorious sheen, making an incredible addition to their underground fortress.

The kobolds have a dragonpriest point 20 dudes at a rock wall and say "Tiamat says we need more shiny stuff, every day you don't produce shiny stuff I tie one of you at random to an altar and offer up a heart instead" and gets much faster, if much less polished results.

>>49908104
>>49908125
Mate, we're not trying to troll you. And in any case, you haven't "proven" anything; the old meaning of kobold is indeed a goblin like thing, but generic kobolds are almost universally reptilian, with the exception of the japshit dogbold.

>>49906097
>Some general themes are apparent: elves were human(-like); were once pagan divinities of some kind; and were dangerous: they could cause harm to people or livestock, or might seduce people into sexual relationships with them

That doesn't sound too different from elves now.

>>49907455
look at this retard shilling his bad taste

>>49908176
you're trolling if you don't know what 'universal' means

the only 'universally' reptilian kobold are the kobolds 'universally' used in D&D based settings

there is no "old" meaning
a kobold is a kobold
end of story

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>>49908203
go on a search engine and image search "kobold" and you will see a huge disparity between the original kobold and the reptilian kobold, in the latter's favor. So regarless of whether or not you like that the original version of it is now the outdated and old version of it, it is and D&D and Pathfinder have permanently changed that.

>>49908203
>there is no "old" meaning
>a kobold is a kobold
>end of story
Just like how gay means happy, how awesome means terrifying, and how sick means ill, correct?

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>>49908302
you're subverting your own argument

>>49908405
No, I'm pointing out how words change meaning over time. Are you really not getting this?

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>>49908403
is that a tiefling?

>>49908380
>archeopteryx:
>some day I'll be a real dinosaur
>maybe if I frill my neck and spit acid
>no wait, that hurts...
>that it! I'll stand up on two legs like t-rex and raptor!
>fuckmytail
>fuckthesefeathers
>I hate being an archeopteryx...

>>49908443
k, I'll be generous to your point and for the sake of this post assume you're not trolling to show the fallacy of your argument:

yes, words change of time - but words also retain their meaning for periods of time and in this case the word you're referring to, i.e. "kobold", still means the thing that you're denying it does

and furthermore, it does not, in any way meaningful to the definition of the word, refer to what you're trying to assert that it does

at this point you may be wondering where the association between the reptilian creature you refer to and the word 'kobold' stands, so allow me to clarify:
the association between these two concepts is a mistake made by D&D and perpetuated by people like you whose only knowledge of the word 'kobold' comes from this reference

to further clarify:
the definition of the word 'kobold' has not changed but rather it seems to be the case that in order for you to speak about concept correctly (i.e. be referring to the correct definition) you need to do further research into what exactly that is (or you could just take my word for it, but I would never suggest that unless the matter was urgent for the sake of someone's safety - which I hope is not relevant here in your case [it would difficult to imagine a scenario where it would be for anyone])

>>49908634
...about the* concept...

>>49908634
>but words also retain their meaning for periods of time
This "period of time" can be anywhere from a hundred years to a month, depending on how people who use the word define it.

> i.e. "kobold", still means the thing that you're denying it does
Except it doesn't, it means a short, usually draconic in some form, lizardfolk like race in generic fantasy. It's old definition, referring to traditional folklore, isn't used in common speech.

>the association between these two concepts is a mistake made by D&D and perpetuated by people like you whose only knowledge of the word 'kobold' comes from this reference
OK? Whether it was a mistake or not, what matters is how the name is used in common usage, and it is no longer used for its old meaning.

>the definition of the word 'kobold' has not changed but rather it seems to be the case that in order for you to speak about concept correctly
Except it has changed, as all words can.

>(or you could just take my word for it, but I would never suggest that unless the matter was urgent for the sake of someone's safety - which I hope is not relevant here in your case [it would difficult to imagine a scenario where it would be for anyone])
I have to ask, without being mean; are you actually, legitimately autistic?

>>49908700
you've admitted you are not learned in these matters so how exactly do you know the definition has changed?

>>49908791
Because the definition of a word is dependent on the meaning used by those who use it. The best way to see this, as the other anon has said, is to just google "Kobold". Ask anyone who has the faintest idea of what any kind of kobold is, and it will likely be a short lizard person.

>>49908700
>>49908791
this is known as 'the burden of proof'

it means that in order to make a claim you need to be able to support it, otherwise your argument cannot be sound (a sound argument is one in which the conclusion is valid [i.e. follows from the premises] and the premises are true)

>>49908833
incorrect

>>49908791
>>49908833
SHUT UP. Holy crap! Post more Kobolds! SHUT UP ABOUT LINGUISTICS.

>>49908833
>>49908889
and by that I mean your claim that the definition of a word is dependent on the context of its use

that is false
(see 'private language')

>>49908833
>>49908911
although your last claim is also misleading

what would be correct to say is that "anyone who knows what a kobold is would not think it was a short lizard person"

>>49908932
or any sort of lizard person for that matter

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>>49908861
You want proof? Here. I can count 7 non-reptile kobolds, and I'm sure the ratio is maintained throughout all other pages.

>>49908889
>>49908911
The meaning of the word is absolutely dependent on the context of its use; among a small subgroup of people, one meaning may be entirely correct, while that same meaning may be entirely incorrect among a larger or different population.

Words are just symbols used to represent a meaning or meanings, they do not intrinsically mean any one thing, and are not inherently bound to one meaning.

>>49908932
That too is misleading, as anyone who uses the term kobold would think that it's a short lizard person. A Kobold in modern usage does not refer to its mythological origins. It's far more likely that anyone saying "Kobold" means a short lizard person, or perhaps even japshit dogbolds, then they are referring to Germanic folklore.

>>49905081
All this is missing is Kermit the Frog.

>>49908892
I would like that too but everyone just keeps posting these fucking lizardpeople

>>49908990
Because those lizardpeople are kobolds you autistic pedant.

>>49908980
I don't think you understand the definition of the word "definition"

that's tragically ironic (I hope you know what those words mean)

>>49884775
my setting uses kobolds as the result of a big eldritch cataclysm thing that resulted in the death of all (or almost all) of the dragons. The cataclysm tore dragons apart between mind and flesh, the mind bits becoming the scrawny intelligent kobolds, and the flesh parts becoming the basically animal drakes.
That said, they also run a not-insignificant section of the postal service, so props to them for not wallowing in it.

>>49909001
no, those are not kobolds

>>49909003
Holy fuck, are you actually this desperate to be right?
You've gone from full linguistics autist to grammar SS.

>>49909032
I say they are, a vast majority of this thread would say they are, and I bet most people who use the word kobold would say they are.
They are only not kobolds in regards to you, and to anyone who shares your position.

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>>49909032
If you are speaking in english they are, if you are speaking in german then they could also be goblins or other house spirits.

will you settle for that?

>>49909032
No you god damn nuggetchild, kobold is used on so much that you can post both and safely say a ratbold or a lizardbold or even going to old dnd: A Ratlizarddogbold.

>>49909025
Huh, neat. I got a post-apocalyptic fantasy setting where kobolds are the descendants of magical fallout-saturated dragon-eggs and/or arose from the dragons' corpses like maggots. This gives them a huge racial obsession with finding a way to turn back into dragons, though their experiments have only succeeded in producing Dragonborn (the best result) and Drakes - which is a catch-all term for "fantasy dinosaurs", wyverns, Lovecraft's Butterfly Dragons, Athasian elemental drakes, and other bestial reptilian creatures.

>>49909060
now this is trolling

unfortunately I don't have any more time to indulge you

I hope no one who reads this thread is taken in by your bullshit though,

for the record: kobolds have fur, not scales (also small-tiny in size, not medium/human size)

>>49909162
Kobolds, as most consider them, are 2-4 feet tall, scaled lizard/dragonfolk, generally digitigrade, and clever trapmakers.

Only weebs, autists, WoW players, and Germanic folklorists think otherwise.

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>>49905909
You mean these?

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>>49910219
I like the one trying to spiderman her by throwing spunk at her face

Anons? A question: if you wanted to make a kobold Life domain Cleric in 5e, what god would you have them worship? Is there a canonical deity who could be both believably koboldish and still grant the Life domain - for example, Lamashtu or Shub-Niggurath? Is there a draconic deity whom could work for it? Or would I need to make up either a (tribal?) deity or a new "aspect" of Tiamat to explain the kobold's faith?

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>>49891749
>few
>@10 GP each
>30-40 GP
By 1st/2ed rules 30-40gp could buy you half a dozen torch bearers, 7-8 man at arms and a dozen porters for half a year. Not only can the Kobolds afford a platoon of hirelings but they also will all be ridiculously loyal since they are Clerics and hirelings love Clerics since they can do healing magic.

If you chose this option be ready to have the local authorities being confused as all fuck about the Cults of Kurtulmak breaking out in every village you visit assuming the Kobold Clerics use their magic to help the villagers..

Also expect the local goblin/orc tribes to have a serious WTF moment when the Kobold tribes start helping villagers and Villagers start using Kobold Clerical magic against them.

Remember: You only need a WIS and DEX score of 9 to be a cleric of Kurtulmak. You also get minor thief abilities. Compare that to being a 0 level villager and even humans will start giving the guy props in exchange for magic.

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My players are going to be investigating the disappearance the live stalk of the town they're staying in when we get back together next week. I'm planning to hit them with the usual traps; pitfalls, rolling logs, dead-falls, etc. But I want to mix in something they wont expect. Got anything?

>>49884102
I wish to sit on them.

I tend to take the draconic ones more seriously, but I really enjoy dogbolds for mostly magical realm reasons. In fact, I have a recurring dogbold centric sexual fantasy which was borne from ERP where I was playing a dogbold.

I kid of wish I could take dogbolds more seriously, so I could flesh out this fantasy.

Why is it okay for people to do this?
I don't tell YOU that dwarves are 10 feet tall and hate manual labor.
I don't tell YOU that elves are 400 lbs of pure muscle and like fighting with their bare hands
I don't tell YOU that orcs are on average 3' tall and love milk and cookies

Why is it okay for YOU to tell ME that kobolds are little lizardmen, when historically that has absolutely NOTHING TO DO with kobolds?!

If I told you faeries were 100 feet tall and lived underground, you'd say I was wrong, right?

If I said a Minotaur had the head of a lion and the body of an owl, you'd get upset, right?

If I said Ares was the god of peace, love and harmony, you'd object, right?

So WHY IS THIS OKAY?!

What pisses me off the MOST is that you won't even acknowledge that its appropriation. You insist that this is the PROPER interpretation of kobolds, that kobolds have ALWAYS been lizardmen, and that you are in no way obligated to mention or even acknowledge that kobolds were NOT, originally, lizardmen.

If I declared that the sky was fucking purple, when it was clearly blue, you wouldn't go, "Oh, colors are just an abstract linguistical metaphore for EM wavelengths in the visible light spectrum, you're being too uptight!"

>>49915607
>>49915624
>>49915667
Because the D&D draconic/reptilian kobold IS the kobold as perceived in pop-culture, and only those who delve deeply into mythology or happen to actually come from Germany in the first place will know anything about the malevolent mine-spirits that they took their name from.

To say nothing of how traditional kobolds are BORING, being completely visually indistinguishable from any number of small, evil fae humanoids, from goblins to gnomes to freaking sorcerous dwarves or evil brownies. The lizard-like kobold is visually distinct, and actually leaves an impression.

Add in that it still has many of the same mythological traits, being a skilled miner with a malicious personality and a love for traps and poison (hence where we get "cobalt"), and it's just more iconic than the mythical version.

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>>49915624
>>49915607
In almost everyone said what you where saying then it would be correct then.

>>49915667
Do you complain that dwarfs don't turn to stone in the sunlight? Do you complain that they are drunken Scottish Jews instead of Scandinavians?

>>49915607
>>49915624
>>49915667
I for one respect your views and understanding of the importance of preservation of cultural symbols and values.
Not I or any other person will be able to quench your thirst for justice to the incorrectness that has been brought to this concept.

But keep in mind that people hold up different values.

Some look at the details with extreme precision,
while others look at the overview, the concept, to make the whole work.

It is the conversation between both of these sides that creates balanced wholesome experiences,
if both sides are able to find a common ground, a compromise.

what I am saying is that you value the pure original invention.
and others value the abstract concept of what a kobold is, I for one am one of them.

If a Kobold would be a hulking truck throwing beast that is made of stone and swims with the grace of an dolphin through space, I would quite possibly be outraged too.

I see kobolds as small to tiny, beings, playing tricks on people, hiding from humans.
everything else should be up to the author of the story and the world they are set in.
that is my view on it.

I want to know what is important to you, which specific details, and maybe we can agree to disagree like gentlemen.

this is a kobold appreciation thread,
no matter if it is a
D&D Kobold,
Folklore,
or something that just resemble the looks of one.

let us all together celebrate these lill rascals.

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>>49916335

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is this related guys?

>>49916603
you are from germany anon, aren't you?

>>49916764
nope but a neighboring country.
close, also german speaking

>>49916603
>>49907247
Glad to see he wasn't forgotten by the kobold thread

>>49907481
>>49907493
What is this from? I can not seem to google it.

>>49917584
I am wondering too, whats the sauce?
my google attempt didn't work either.

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kobold slave wat do

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>>49917850
Make it wear a maid's uniform and have it clean my house.
Cuddle at night and maybe dress it up in other cute outfits

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>>49916693
Dad?

>>49905921
>"rule of cool" (lazy writing)
Virt dodging his ban?

>>49918108
Different anon here. The rule of cool is bullshit.
Saying "because it's cool" to justify pulling things out of your ass leads to silver-age Superman suddenly having the power to shoot rainbows from his hands that turn into sentient miniature clones of himself.

>>49918282
Well superman's flying and eye lasers is rule of cool as well. Rule of cool is fine just don't make Mary Sues with it.
Best use of it is "i think this would be cool now why does it have it.

>>49915667
>You insist that this is the PROPER interpretation of kobolds, that kobolds have ALWAYS been lizardmen
Not at all, only that it is the current, popular, and better interpretation of kobolds.
Cool your autism.

>muh cultural appropriation
wew

>>49920015
That expression.
"Nailed it."

>>49911927
There's only two clerics. The hired army idea is fun, though.

My D&D party is currently filthy rich because of some extremely, ridiculously good loot rolls. They found a ruined Casino during a major battle and rolled a 100 on the table, which gave them some absurd amount of platinum.

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Remember to thrust into your kobolds gently

>>49908497

Art

>>49909805

At first I thought this looked impractical and stupid.

Then I looked closer.

>>49915560

>they put the one who can actually cast magic to be the legs
>stupid crazy fuckers