/CofD/ &/wodg/ Chronicles of Darkness and World of Darkness

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Let's make this too an accepting and safe space guys. Soon I'll sleep I'm sure, but before it, here have some more footage from the larping events I've been in. This is very noir and deep also.
#triggerwarning#
While I check my privilego and know these are all abilist, bodyshaming events...buzzwordbuzzword im over 100kg and unable to move my carcass properly!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7iPmeudFfgY

>>49874888
That fucking pastebin holy shit.

"Transsexuals aren't mentally ill!"

>Endless castration, child porn, rape, torture, bestiality and abuse stories.

>>49875025
Aspel isn't transsexual, he's all manchild.

What would be Alucard in CofD and WoD?

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>>49874888
>because that faggot wont stop asking for it
No. Do not do this. Placating these fucks is what got us into this shit in the first place.

>>49875061
Any answer other than gangrel is unacceptable

>>49875061
>What would be Alucard in CofD and WoD?
Dhampir and Malkavian with Dyslexia and Grandiose Illusions.

>>49875061
CofD: Unstatted DMPC
WoD: Low generation lasombra with protean.

>>49875076
>Placating these fucks is what got us into this shit in the first place.
No one even mentioned it, it's just Aspel shitting up the threads and trying to pick up any browsing children.

Anybody got cool stories from Changeling: the lost to share?

>>49875102
Haven't played it in a million years. Just waiting to see how good/horrible 2e is before starting a new game for it.

>>49875101
Asshead will continue shitting up the threads whether we include his stupid fan service in the general or not. All youre doing is encouraging him to shit up the thread with more bitching by rewarding it.

>>49875061
I don't even know what an alucard is. Damn I'm certain I don't even want to know. Is it something you can be proud of? If so it can't be a part of either gamelines.
I'm guessing it would have danger colours in it's hair and maybe some bald spots also. I'm not sure if it's male or female, but heck that alucard must sure be something.

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>>49875061
Last published oWoD stats.

Vlad Dracula, Son of the Dragon
Clan: Tzimisce
Sire: Lambach Ruthven
Nature: Visionary
Demeanor: Tyrant
Generation: 5th
Embrace: 1495
Apparent Age: Early 40′s
Physical: Strength 4, Dexterity 4, Stamina 4
Social: Charisma 4, Manipulation 5, Appearance 3
Mental: Perception 4, Intelligence 5, Wits 6
Talents: Alertness 4, Brawl 3, Dodge 4, Grace 3, Interrogation 3, Intimidation 4, Intuition 2, Leadership 5, Style 3, Subterfuge 7
Skills: Animal Ken 4, Archery 3, Disguise 3, Etiquette 5, Melee 4, Performance 3, Ride 2, Stealth 2, Survival 3
Knowledges: Academics 4, Camarilla Lore 4, Hearth Wisdom 3, History 5, Investigation 3, Linguistics 6 (European, Eastern, & dead tongues), Medicine 2, Occult 5, Politics 5, Sabbat Lore 5
Disciplines: Animalism 6, Auspex 2, Celerity 2, Dominate 4, Fortitude 3, Koldunic Sorcery 5, Potence 3, Protean 4, Vicissitude 5
Koldunic Paths: Way of Earth 5, Way of Spirit 5, Way of Water 5
Backgrounds: Fame 5, Herd 5, Resources 5, Retainers 5
Virtues: Conscience 2, Self-Control 3, Courage 4
Morality: Humanity 3
Willpower: 8

>>49875138
What do you propose then genius? Unless you have a banhammer I see no solution other then telling people to ignore the hysterical asswipe.

>>49875164
I have a final solution I'm about to put in motion. I'll close the computer and go outside.

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>>49875139
Alucard is Dracula spelled backwards.

>>49875138
>>49875101
>>49875164

Aspel just wants the attention. He wants to get all self-righteous and claim to win arguments that he regularly gets trounced in to distract himself from the fact that his is indeed a pedo and budding serial killer/190 proof That Guy. Therefore, do not engage with Aspel. If you are able to positively identify Aspel, just redirect him to >>>/d/. Over a long enough time period, he will be starved of attention and leave.

>>49875230
> and budding serial killer
he has threatened to kill his parents

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>>49875230
>Alucard is Dracula spelled backwards

How would Alucard with his full limiter release and totally unbound do against Cain?

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Anyone play vtes? Come to Lackey, it's cold here alone.

>>49875230
This. Say what you will about Camilla and atamajakki, but atamajakki is a cool gal and we eventually warmed up to her as she integrated with the board's culture.

Camilla's annoying and a clueless weeb who doesn't understand jack shit about WoD/CofD and is honestly better off playing a different game instead of trying to fit a square peg into a round hole like he tries to do with 1e Requiem, but unlike Aspel, he is not a pedo or a serial killer in the making. As annoying and grating as his attempts at running a "90's Anime Gangster" game is, he never expressed an interest in killing his parents. Plus Camilla's malice is always half-assed and in short bursts. He's annoying but you know he'll go away for a little while. Aspel is more persistent and in every thread.

Fuck Aspel, and I hope he gets banned.

I like atamajakki, she's pretty cool.

I dislike Camilla and find him to be an irritating weeb, but I utterly loathe and despise Aspel. Aspel is quite frankly, a hypocritical scumbag. He pushes for his SJW shit and yet he glorifies rape and wants to kill his parents.

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>>49875269
Both would lose and win at the same time and the resulting paradoxical explosion of power would result in the actual on-time release of a non-shit Exalted 3e book instead of half a decade of delay and quality bombs. Holden and Hill Jr. would die and Dave would reveal all the secrets of Mage, we would ascend into a higher plane of existence and rule as enlightened poet-kings over the quintessence of the universe.

>>49875312
I agree with this, atamajakki has a lot of anger issues but is otherwise cool.

>>49875312
Let's play a game of "Would You Rather?", shall we?

Would you rather play in one of Camilla's "1990's Anime Gangsta 1e Requiem" games or ERP with Aspel?

>>49875312
>he is not a pedo or a serial killer in the making
>he never expressed an interest in killing his parents
Not the guy, but wow am I just amazed at these characteristics. I've always wanted a friend with these qualities.

>>49875332
I like atamajakki, all things considered.

I find Camilla annoying but actually kind of pity him at the same time. White Wolf's fandom is notoriously toxic at times and I think he kind of fell victim to it and just can't get over it. I think he might be legit autistic, which would explain his rigid insistence on sticking to 1e VTR when 2e is so much better, even for the games he wants to run, as well as his obsession with 90s anime and gangster fiction. Camilla's aggravating as fuck, but I kind of feel bad for him at the same time.

Aspel is just despicable any way you slice it.

>>49875349
>"1990's Anime Gangsta 1e Requiem"
easy

>>49875399
Agreed, I think Camilla's ideas are a crock of shit, but I would never ERP with Aspel even if the fate of the universe depended on it.

Still hope both of them get banned from here though.

I think we should redirect Aspel to /d/ as stated before, and maybe redirect Camilla to /a/ as well until they both go away.

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Good news folks. We get 2 hours of peace.

>>49875445
Thank God

Two-part question for this board.

So, anybody ever play Mummy: The Resurrection for oWoD? It seems to be the most obscure and least supported of all the gamelines, literally consisting of the corebook (which requires another oWoD corebook to have the full rules, similar to KOTE), a small Player's Guide, and strangely enough, a LARP adaptation for the old MET system titled "Laws of the Resurrection".

Demon: The Fallen, which came out shortly after Mummy and had way more support and fans overall, never got an MET adaptation for some strange reason. Does anybody know why that is? Was it just released too late in the development cycle? (Though Reckoning and Mummy both got MET LARP versions, so I'm not sure if that holds up)

Was there another reason for this decision? Has anyone at WW ever stated why Demon never got a LARP adaptation?

>>49875445
Hope he sleeps forever.

>>49875533
Too late, Demon was the last thing before they pulled the plug prettymuch. Sad really because internally the game is astonishingly good. Demon the Descent isn't bad either, but Fallen just runs circles around it. The only """downside""" to it is that its very isolated, you can crossover but there's no incentive or point to it, being a Demon is a singular experience compared to werewolf or vampire or mage.

""""downside"""" I wrote because I never crossover and think all splats are infinitely better alone.

>>49875445
I'm new to /tg/ and not familiar at all with the town loonies around here. Haven't played a tg after 2004 except iron man mtg and vtes. I've been coming here this past month and maybe another for owod nostalgia. I don't know about the other 2 mentioned here, but atleast the name aspel has popped up so many times with examples of his character, everytime when he has a say, I'm giddy like when you are while poking a corpse. I feel bit of terror, excitement, shame and morbid interest you know. Should I read the pastebin?

Has anyone ever played WoD with miniatures?

I ask this because Werewolf: The Apocalypse 1e mentions a brief ruleset for miniatures in an Apocalypse chronicle if you choose to do so, and if I remember correctly, there was a company in the 1990's that released a set of metal miniatures for Vampire, Werewolf, and Mage that are kind of rare nowadays. I'm not sure if these metal figures were used for actual gameplay or just as a collector's item.

The only WoD books I know that mention miniatures and hexmaps in gameplay are Werewolf 1e and maybe Vampire 1e (I'll have to double-check though) and even then, they are presented as an optional rule and aren't really assumed to be a core part of play.

tl;dr, anyone ever play WoD with minis and a map or am I the only one? (I never used the original WoD miniatures, too rare and expensive. We used a few generic modern minis, as well as some D&D minis and even cheap plastic Army Men at times)

This was years ago (around 2005 or 2006-ish), and I haven't played WoD with minis since.

>>49875445
Where did you find this?

>>49875577
That depends. Do you like forced castration porn?

>>49875577
Sure, you should, then remember it when he starts championing social justice the next time and vehemently arguing he isn't a freak.

>>49875577
>Should I read the pastebin?

Not if you value your sanity

>>49875638
Violence isn't my groove, but if he is having a blast to it, I'm happy to spectate his happiness.

>>49875533
Yeah, Demon had, like, a year and a half lifespan before WWGS reached for the reset button.

Mummy? Well, no one really gave a shit.

>>49875656
>vehemently arguing he isn't a freak.

What makes him a freak?

>>49875739
Legitimately being a pedophile is a good start.

>>49875703
That makes sense

>>49875739
Read the pastebin if you dare. You'll know.

>>49875765
Tbh, a lot of /tg/ is lolicons in denial with constant posting of prebubescent girls. Idk what you're being so elitist about.

How would the vampire society look like without camarilla/only Sabbat?

For hunter the vigil.

>>49875787
There is a difference between liking drawings and actually fantasizing about raping children, castrating boys and wanting to be a castrated abused child despite being a thirty something man.

>>49875796
Vampiric priesthood rules the world as dark lords, constantly infighting against True Black Hand and infernalist infiltrators.

If you fluff that the Salubri never went away though, its more of a romantic and functional dark empire with far less internal strife and more humane treatment of mortals.

>>49875815
This

As much as I hate the loli art on /tg/, Aspel is in his own league of vileness.

>>49875815
>There is a difference between liking drawings and actually fantasizing about raping children, castrating boys and wanting to be a castrated abused child despite being a thirty something man.

Buddy, you jerk off to animes of little kids. You should quit the holy man act. You know what they say about the most fierce homophobes being closeted gays, right?

>>49875787
But I grew to know lolicore is da bomb and I'm not raping girls or lolita type women nor am I masturbating to such imagery. You can have affections without erotic feelings.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GRTkfczaMXk

>>49875847
Just because you post pictures of an anime girl, doesn't mean you lust over said pictures. A lot of the loli-shitposting on /tg/ is often done ironically.

And it still doesn't detract from the fact that Aspel is a scumbag.

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>>49875885
>A lot of the loli-shitposting on /tg/ is often done ironically.

>>49875907
4chan as a whole tends to forget that doing things ironically leads to doing things seriously because of the constant influx of idiots that just refuse to lurk and instead shit up what they wanted to join.

>>49875907
>posts a pic from another board

I said most of the shitposting is done ironically, not all of it.

>>49875933
Fair point. I don't care for loli posts, even the ironic ones, but I felt it needed to be pointed out that a lot of it was done as a joke, at least originally.

Aspel is still a degenerate though.

>>49875119
The previews and playtesrable stuff seems to imply a metric shit ton of customizability which I'm confident is always good

>>49875938
>>49875933
My point was that the ~irony~ is a farce to mask a genuine attraction.

>haha bro let's touch dicks it would be hilarious

>>49875312
>>49875332
>>49875387
Agreed. Jakki is pretty cool.

>>49875986
Thats good. I like changeling, its a good substitute, if not perfect, for playing Raksha in Exalted, which is the real bomb.

>>49874888
>Because that faggot wont stop asking for it
You know it's Aspel who keeps asking for it, right?

>>49875638
>>49875656
>>49875657
>>49875739
Right that was fairly standard, unimaginative crap. I wonder if he has ever done any sexual act that ended in climaxing with a consenting partner.
Here's a little impression I got from there. He is a paraphile who want's control. He is predatory and cruel by nature but also a coward as he leaves his fantasies as such. I've seen worse cases, but do I love to hate introverted puddles of sick like him. Does anyone know is he fat?

>>49875258
You might be retarded.

>>49876006
What? Not saying that playing raksha in exalted is bad, but I see no connection to the themes of changeling.

>>49876030
I don't know for sure if Aspel is fat, but I would not be surprised if he was.

>>49875796
No masquerade.

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Dear god, what happened to /tg/ for me to find shit on it with such a terrifying regularity, nowadays ? I'm almost certain it was a quality board, some years ago.

> in before "/tg/ has always been shit"

No, it wasn't. My nostalgia googles aren't even on my nose. I swear.

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>>49875994
>/tg/ is a hivemind.
>implying

I prefer my 2d a little riper, thank you!

>>49876106
It's literally one guy, for /wodg/

>>49875102
campaign went on haitus before we got too far, but I've got a few cool stories from the pregame, DM talks and first few sessions.

First was texting everyone that I needed to rework my character because I realized he wasn't enough of a dick.

Second was being in on GM knowledge (I had merits in status:court so it made sense that I would know why I was summoning the others to a thing), so while the other PCs were trying to get answers I just pass the GM a note saying "my character is drinking heavily".
Then the other PCs show up at the appartment and I introduce my character as "holding a bottle of gin, but smelling like whiskey".

Somehow, unplanned, the 4 characters wound up being in 4 different courts.

>>49876109
The minority of pedophiles is exclusively pedophilic.

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>>49876049
>What? Not saying that playing raksha in exalted is bad, but I see no connection to the themes of changeling.

Really? Think about it. Raksha are creatures of infinite imagination and of fey aspect that lust after humanity and desire to interact with them (often parasitically) but live under a constant dread (of calcification and being found out by exalts and the Realm). Raksha fighting/interacting with eachother in the Wyld is exactly the same as what the True Fae do in Changeling.

Both Raksha and Changelings grant wishes and make pacts, often damning ones, both feed on glamour, both fear cold iron and create items of weird wonder.

Of course Raksha lean closer to True Fae and have way more power then changelings but to my eyes they're basically parallels.

>>49876030
He's also the king of "Stop liking what I don't like." Witness the days long freakout he had over people preferring oWoD Mage's setting to nWoD Mage.

That lasted for DAYS.

>>49876106
The great tumblr colonization.

Oh loordy loo he spends so much more time describing the infliction of pain than any standard sexual characteristic or act, yet from time to time he tries to and the literary attempts are laughable. I mean he doesn't know how to describe anything any normal person would call sexual. I want to speak to this guy. I'm sure we'll have many laughs together.

>>49876172
He completely fucked up the previous thread, go look at it if you want examples of his raging autism in action.

I'll continue to pray he doesn't wake up.

>>49876172
Oh I meant to say tomorrow with my friends we'll have many laughs together. Does he spend time in a public voip?

>>49876211
Shits up the Discord too.

>>49876141
And a very small minority of the population is pedophilic.

Makin' a lot of assumptions about people you've never met on a Burmese Stamp Collection Database there, chet.

>>49876106
It was worse when this board was infested with quest fags.

Turns out they were also the majority of /d/ crossposters who just could not help but inject their fetishes into everything.

>>49876163
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8fhpXrrLBsI
>42 minutes of bitching about representation and sensitivity in a game about vampires that kill or hypnotize anyone who figures them out.
>21 minutes of actual questions.

You cringe, you lose.

>>49876207
Yea i was there, I'm the dancing guy. I'm a bit in shame of what this hobby is online.

>>49876220
>It was worse when this board was infested with quest fags.
I'm pretty sure they're still here.

>>49876223
>I'm a bit in shame of what this hobby is online.

Its good if you go Ark of Noah tier like uh that tripfag that posts here once a year, cultivate a stable of players from first timers and groom them to occasionally ST, eventually you have a small club of role players whom are all vetoed and cut off from the general degeneration of the hobby at large.

>>49876220
>And a very small minority of the population is pedophilic.

Sexual attraction to children exists in around 20% of men according to anonymous surveys. It's probably higher than that, actually.

>>49876148
so Raksha are like the Fae, not like changling.

The title 'the lost' is pretty damn important to the themes of changling. It's about what you lost. You used to be human, be now your not. You use to be a child, but now you are not. Your life, your innocence, was taken from you. You've lost, and you are lost.

You don't lust after humanity as something foreign, it's something that's a part of you.

>>49876297
I also hear 80% of women have teeth in their vaginas, also according to an anonymous survey.

>>49876313
Ah but changelings aren't human anymore and never will be. Likewise, Raksha give up their true nature when they choose to acknowledge Creation and manifest in it, and can never become as they were before even if they go back into the Wyld.

>>49876316
Anonymous surveys are the most legitimate way to assess frequency of pedophilic fantasies and attraction.

>>49876347
Anonymous surveys are the most legitimate way to assess anything you want to prove or debunk.

>>49876362
Is all science biased if it challenges your preconception?

>>49876420
Is it?

>>49876429
>The three questionnaire surveys also found surprisingly high rates. For example, the most recent study, conducted by Becker-Blease and colleagues and published in 2006, used a self-completion questionnaire study of 531 undergraduate men. This study found 7 per cent admitted sexual attraction to ‘little children’, but 18 per cent had sexual fantasies of children, with 8 per cent masturbating to those fantasies, and 4 per cent admitting that they would have sex with a child ‘if no-one found out’.

>Judging by this study, we would be therefore looking at around one in five of all the men we know having some degree of sexual attraction to children. Remembering that these survey rates relied on voluntary disclosures, it’s not impossible that this is in fact a conservative figure.


Were they lying to troll sexologists, anon? Is that your assumption?

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/how-can-we-prevent-child-abuse-if-we-dont-understand-paedophilia-8438660.html

>>49876335
but for the Raksha it's a choice.
Changelings don't choose.

The Raksha leave their home, Changelings have escaped and gone back to their home, only to find out they don't belong anymore.

The situations are more different than similiar imho.

>>49876273
Considering actually roleplaying, I don't know if I ever again want to invest that amount of time just to sit. When I did it, I was younger and my joints could take the sitting. Then I wasn't aware of how amazing dancing is and didn't know sitting inside makes you ugly from inwards to out.
Right now I'm coming down from a speed and jazz binge, I'm drinking gin and waiting for these worthless benzos to take me away. So I'm feeling like bullying someone. Tomorrow I'll be even more nasty. It's going to be a trade. When worthless people feel bad, I gain my lovable self back.

>>49876460
Oh wait you thought I was jokig when I said? >>49876316

Because there was an anonymous survey with those results. Thing is with anonymous surveys is that they're inherently an unreliable factor into any sort of statistical theory. Not to mention the fact that polls are one of the worst methods of data collection due to the practical limitations on gathering a statistically valid sample group not bound in any single location or cultural group to preform even a tangibly relevant analysis of anything.

Like in that example of the study of 531 undergrduate men, where was it made? When? What cultural background did the ones questioned possess? Were they asked in the questionary about specifically children, or artwork depicting children, or porn depicting "barely teen" porn actresses as well? Did any of those questioned suffer from mental or physical health issues?

Without knowing any of these, or knowing if the ones questioned even gave a damn about what they were answering (since its not like it would ever relate to them or matter to their lives, see the vaginal teeth survey which apparently proves 80% of women have fanged vaginas). Ultimately its useless data with no possible way to actually know if there is any accuracy to it.

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Hey Aspel, how'd you like a blowjob?

>>49876297
>>49876347
>>49876362
>>49876460
Sooooo a small minority. Why are you dragging this out again?

>>49876666
I miss Oz

>>49876675
>18%
>a small minority

Extrapolate those numbers to the general population and you have more pedophiles in the US than black people.

>>49876842
Apparently you have no idea what the word "minority" means.

>Thread is people bitching about Aspel
>Aspel is nowhere to be found
Ya'll motherfuckers are obsessed

>>49876890
We're pissed.

>>49876890
We're salty over him wrecking a good thread.

>>49876890
This

>>49876904
>>49876916
When he left us alone for a few days, we didn't even mention him.

>>49876958
HE'S BEEN A GODDAMN BLIGHT ON THESE THREADS FOR YEARS. Except he was moderately tolerable when he was ranting about his changeling and promethean games where he played galateids and fairest little boys with mother complexes dressing like girls instead of going full SJW and deciding for himself that he is a tranny. Moderately. Marginally.

There's like 2 threads a week where he isn't sperging out over stuff. And I thought scared of shadows was the worst thing to grace this board.

>>49876656
>Thing is with anonymous surveys is that they're inherently an unreliable factor into any sort of statistical theory.

They're more reliable than non-anonymous surveys since in those cases the questioned person is more likely to lie. The page also mentions another study using phallometry that reports 17% of men showing a sexual response to children under 12. That number is very similar.

The study is perfectly valid. Of course it in itself paints an incomplete picture, but what do you suggest they do otherwise?

>>49876884
Apparently you have no idea what the word "small" means.

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>>49876606
Maybe sunday or monday a new cycle will begin. Untill then I'll make one of 3 things happen: that aspelger will quit himself, quit internet or get therapy. I'm coming after his discord hangs with a few actors to plant there and we'll have fun.
Unless I'm shitfacedrunk that whole time and won't be coherent enough to get a hold of his vanity to bully/counsel him. I'd like to make that favor for you guys. As I had my fun with our own collection of minds and a rule/lore -system, then moved on and now while nostalgia tripping, it's sad to see actual sickos taking over a fairly decent hobby. Do I ever despise weaklings like him who can't even make a passable person out of themselves. No self control. No pride. Only coveting.

Let's try to put this thread back on track. What are your favorite non-core compacts and why?
https://strawpoll.de/w249a95

>>49876958
>>49876998
You'd burn yourself out after a day of this, but you can't help but create drama where there is none.
I'm not the one asking for my logs to be posted, or begging for attention. It's some asshole who hates me doing it, and probably making half these comments calling me a pedophile serial killer. It's someone who hates me over F-list drama and is obsessed with me. Shit, you people had two hours of me being asleep to NOT talk about me, and you did the opposite.

>>49877035
>They're more reliable than non-anonymous surveys since in those cases the questioned person is more likely to lie.

Literally cannot be proven, afterall how do you prove that the anonymous person lied or not? How do you prove that the non-anonymous person lied or not?

>The page also mentions another study using phallometry that reports 17% of men showing a sexual response to children under 12.

Yes it mentions other studies made under equally unknown situations and also one says the result was 1%, almost nothing about the questionnaire that the article is about in the first place. Hell, note also that information on quizzed females is absent. How many women are pedophiles? Or was that simply not important to the ones conducting research or women can't be pedophiles?

This is barely a study, to the point that the report about it has as much substance as something a bored columnist would make up on a lazy afternoon.

Though I admit I find some black humour in the fact that she was murder raped after writing an article on effectively sexual violence.

>>49876998
>someone telling me I shouldn't be a sexist is worse than someone roleplaying his pedophilia fantasies on my board

Are you sure you aren't all sorta pedo?

>>49877175
To be fair I don't blame people hating you, you make it painfully easy.

>>49877222
Look, I'm not going to disagree with you there, but there's no reason to shit up the thread bitching about me. People take this shit way too far.

>>49877093
Honestly I forget compacts even exist half the time. They kind of sit in that middle ground between the real hunters and the schmucks playing pretend.

Faithful of Shulpae is the best conspiracy though.

>>49877211
No but even if I were I'd still be infinitely more likeable then you.

Also do you not read the shit you write you mongoloid?

Check this out

>someone telling me I shouldn't be a pedophile is worse then someone roleplaying his sexist fantasies on my board

Wow what now sage one, literally all you ever do.

Is it time for me to post the video again?

Remember, when you run into a Touhou, or an Aspel, or someone whose hot takes and opinions make you want to argue with them on the internet for hours, take a tip from Mr. Paul Anka: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SlKao_Pox5A

>>49877093

Barrett Commission's a Compact, right? Habiti Ma is also pretty neat.

>>49876998
The sjw thing is only a front for him to hide his want for domineering either like a necrophile (control of an inanimate object of passion) or a sadist (control of object of passion by destruction). And he is a weakling and a coward who only knows how to mask normalcy and badly at that. He isn't capable of indulging his drives by his own hand. If he was, he'd be in the penal system or in a hospital for perverterinos.

>>49877250
Hey friendo

>>49877201
>Literally cannot be proven, afterall how do you prove that the anonymous person lied or not? How do you prove that the non-anonymous person lied or not?

Apart from the common-sense hypothesis that they are less likely to lie, you can compare it to other studies.

>The other studies give similar results

Hmm...

>also one says the result was 1%

Which one? The one where the author admitted to making an "educated guess"? The one that did not measure pedophilic attraction, but clinical pedophilia?


>Hell, note also that information on quizzed females is absent.

1: that's not relevant for assessing the pedophilia in men

2: it's on the page you I linked that you didn't read.

>For women, the only study conducted so far (by Smiljanich and Briere, in 1996) suggested 3 per cent of sample of 180 women admitted to ‘some attraction to little children’ and 4 per cent used child pornography.


>Or was that simply not important to the ones conducting research or women can't be pedophiles?

Are you getting offended at the misandry? Do you need your boo-boo fedora?

>Though I admit I find some black humour in the fact that she was murder raped after writing an article on effectively sexual violence.

I don't even know what the fuck you are talking about now. You should also watch out for that edge. You might cut yourself and need a bandaid.

>>49877251
I tend to prefer the normal hunters than the super occult detectives, partly because I favor low-power for both monsters and hunters, but I can see the appeal of being part of something more serious and organized. Why the Faithful, though? They're an unusual choice to say the least.
>>49877295
I guess they're alright. My non-core favorites are the Bear Lodge.

>>49877267
Being a pedophile is a state of sexual orientation. Being a sexist is a state of being a bad person. So, yeah. I think someone watching boku no pico is a better person than fedoraman and his male supremacist delusions.

>>49877399
>common-sense hypothesis

I can make things up too

>Are you getting offended at the misandry? Do you need your boo-boo fedora?

No but different research made 16 years ago form the one the article is about, with equally little information is hardly valid, which is all the research in the article.

Nice assumption though.

>I don't even know what the fuck you are talking about now.

The author was murder raped three years ago. Should have hung out with more pedophiles apparently.

>>49877250
Let's talk about your little writings won't we? I'm guessing you're an americanerino, no? If so, you could save a few or many amounts of dollarinos if you went ahead and gave me a small moment of conversion with you. Don't mind the stilettoshoeguy, I can turn into a cozy slippersguy just like that.

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>>49877448
You cant be serious.

>>49877440
I like the Faithful as enemies in supernatural chronicles because I enjoy it when the big bad werewolf PCs pick a fight with the weak little human only to get their arm twisted off by a human with five dots of vigor

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>>49877448
>Being a pedophile is a sexual orienation

>>49877448
being a pedophile is not a state, it's more of a suburb, maybe a small town

>>49877454
>The author was murder raped three years ago.

Source?

Wow, great thread guys.

>>49877462
>If so, you could save a few or many amounts of dollarinos if you went ahead and gave me a small moment of conversion with you.
What?
>stilettoshoeguy
What?

>>49877605
Google it, unless there was another Sarah Goode involved with sexology studies who's last article and death was in 2013.

Did you know WoD had a TV series in the 90s?

>>49877477
The guy is almost right. People can become sexualized (socialized to sexuality) into a normal and healthy sexual agent at a very young age. They too are sexual agents in their own way. NOT IN THE SAME WAY AS TEENAGERS OR ADULTS. 2 key differences are experience and motivations. Being a pedo means always being a rapist basically.

>>49877638
>google it

Provide a link, dumbass.

>>49877665
You know full well he wasn't talking about child sexuality.

>>49877687
http://abc7ny.com/news/dante-taylor-gets-life-without-parole-in-murder-of-sarah-goode/1448294/

>>49877616
I'm trying to do some good here.

Vote for your favorite Conspiracies!
https://strawpoll.de/f1rfebc

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>go away for three hours
>STILL not discussing WoD

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

>>49877665
>Being a pedo means always being a rapist basically.
No it doesn't. You do realize that being attracted to something doesn't mean having sex with it, right? You can be a zoophile and just... not have sex with an animal.

>>49877705
Aspel is here for CofD discussion
Clearly if everyone stops discussing CofD, Aspel will leave.

So, how 'bout dat CofD?

>>49877735
SALTed ground indeed.

>>49877735
>Aspel is here for CofD discussion
aspel just wants people to talk to
it doesn't matter if it's about cofd or anything
thats why he draws every argument out into other topics

>>49877694
>MEDFORD, New York (WABC) -- Dante Taylor, convicted of the murder of a 21-year-old Medford mother, was sentenced to life without the possibility of parole Friday.

Wrong continent, shitheap.

>http://www.independent.co.uk/author/sarah-goode

>https://www.psychotherapyuk.co.uk/dr-sarah-goode/

THAT is Sarah Goode. She has a doctorate.

The Sarah Goode you are talking about even has a different middle name.

>http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2690065/Single-mom-body-woods-raped-murdered-man-met-house-party.html


Good to know you couldn't even do basic research before getting a boner over the thought of a woman challenging you being raped and murdered.

I wouldn't be surprised if you own a katana.

>>49877633
Oh if you didn't read the thread then don't. Let's drink! But really guy, if you are the author of those pastebin doodlerinos, you'll cause grief to someone and get into an institution unless you practice great self control. Those are not healthy fantasies, gurochan isn't a healthy place to go and fap at, cp isn't normal, innards should stay in. You should know these things in your heart and yet you write such shameful stuff. You should read the chants of maldoror or some sade if you want to indulge in snuff/gore for the sake of art, but that stufferino you have there is so shamefully revealing of your motivations and experience with the world of skin that I'm having to chain smoke here to keep the embarrasment for your sake below my throat.

>>49877707
Thoughts don't count, we all have millions of unsavory things in our heads and we ignore them.

>>49877801
>>49877694
Isn't me genius, obviously its not the NY Sarah Goode.

>getting a boner over the thought of a woman challenging you being raped and murdered.

Again nice assumptions, especially amusing considering which of use likes to write about snuff.

>>49877801
I was just giving you the link about Sarah Goode's murder because you were whining about it. I'm not the guy you're trying to justify your pedophilia to. No katana, either.

>>49877818
>unless you practice great self control

Why do you believe that someone writing these types of fiction has significant urges to act on them?

>>49877448
>>>/d/

>>49877857
Okay, you still claimed that she was raped and murdered. Where is the source?

>>49877818
I'm sorry but quit the pop psych. I know it's easy to forget, but you're in a thread for a game about playing parasitic undead mafiosos, sociopathic shapeshifters driven by the urge to kill, megalomaniacal reality warpers, and more horrible things besides. The whole "you have sexual fetishes that make me uncomfortable so that means you'll kill or rape someone for real" schtick is old and trite.
Unless you're telling me that you'd like to commit a blood sacrifice or some similar thing that happens in these games.
And how can you even say that stuff and then recommend people like de Sade?

>>49877251
No technocracy? No Oradea League?

I am disappoint.

>>49877968
>>>/d/

>>49877735
Aspel left but you fuckers still wouldn't stop talking about him.

>>49877883
Because I see it too often happening in real life. Why are you taking only the part out where the encouragement of control is directed at the one who produces such overtly sexually driven hurtcore? Isn't it advisable to have caution when dabbling with antisocial actions or characteristics? Again the idea isn't a problem, but danger comes when the idea starts to root in the personality and from there gains manifestation in the world by his actions when the idea finally is normalized to him.

>>49878064
>Because I see it too often happening in real life.

Elaborate

>>49877968
Which have been staples of fiction and all can be played as Byronic heroes. The neonate vampire that tries not to kill... the Werewolf who tries to avoid collateral damage despite the rage burning in his veins. The Mage trying not to .have his destiny controlled by these ancient, overarching conspiracies. These are things that go back as far as the Illiad.

>>49878102
So...it's fine as long as you always play a moralfag?

>>49877857
>Isn't me genius

But he said the same wrong thing you did, so why does it matter?

>>49878134
No, it's just in no way comparable to being a pedo.
>>>/d/

>>49878160
You are right, murder and torture are much more accepted in mainstream culture. Therefore we should redirect our discouragment from the pedophiles toward the people who write about blood sacrifice.

>>49878195
>>>/d/

>>49877652

I did! WoD is probably the only tabletop franchise in the world that has a show by Aaron Spelling, of all people. It's a better fit than you think, even if it's not the best television.

I want a CofD TV show so bad, but the best we're gonna get is a WoD TV show via Dracula. I'll watch that, since I doubt he'll actually write that (which is good, his first foray into canon WoD fiction is...not the best), but I doubt it'll be what I really want.

>>49878209
Last time I check lolicon wasn't even allowed on /d/.

>>49877968
Atleast it's written so well I can consider it as art, where aspelgore is so poor, it's like feeding huge amounts of benzos and an amph at the same time to the one under questioning/torture and just letting himself pour his innermost stuff out. There are wild things happening in the dormitories for the homeless in my country. I hate and react maybe very strongly to nonconsensus but there is a reason.

>>49878223
That's nice.
>>>/d/

>>49878216
Wait, what about a WoD Dracula series?

Can we stop wanking about our resident douchebag 'celebrity' and talk about why Vampire: Requiem 2e is the best book in the history of both gamelines?

>>49878268
We could if it was. But since it's neither Hunter: the Reckoning nor World of Darkness: Immortals, it's not

>>49878084
There are 4 bigger dorms for the homeless in helsinki, finland. I've lived for a while in one and currently work as a custodian for a floor. I've been handcuffed to a radiator and raped. I've seen people nailed to a floor from their hands and the torturer keeps them alive in his room, I've seen the amphetamine/benzo thing done to a guy over the course of several days, I have female and male friends who have been raped in those buildings while they have visited them to score speed. I was troubled when younger and did courier/retrieval -jobs and I have been in both of the ends of violence. I know what violence and sadism is. After quitting opioids and severing my tie to my manager, I started working in one of the easier dorms to combat outright evil that there is. Oh and I'm a "cishet shitlord".

>>49878102
>These are things that go back as far as the Illiad.
So is fucking little boys.
I guarantee most World of Darkness players aren't playing nice guy characters.

>>49878226
Are you literally comparing collaborative smut with zero editing to a famous philosopher?
This thread has gone off the rails big time.

>>49878268
>Aspel is here for CofD discussion
>Clearly if everyone stops discussing CofD, Aspel will leave.

>>49878464
Christ, will you fuck off? I don't care about your excuses to shitpost.

>>49878449
Yeah and im drunk as fuck after being awake 4 days on speederino. It was a magnificent dance event we had. 100mg diazepam and soon a liter of gin hasn't taken me down yet.

>>49878481
Actually I'm mocking the way that other people are shitposting, but I'll concede that there's not much difference.

>>49878449
Are you still talking, Aspel?
>>>/d/

>>49878449
>I guarantee most World of Darkness players aren't playing nice guy characters.
Not being a nice person isn't the same as someone going out of their way to be an asshole.
I ran a Werewolf game where most of the pack had issues with collateral damage on their turf, but no issues brutally murdering those who threatened themselves and their territory, going as far to make specific pains and sacrifices despite the dice working against them.

>>49878428
None of this relates to people who fantasize about sadism in writing.

>>49878250

So, Martin Ericsson (who we name "Dracula" because he's the model for Dracula in V20) is White Wolf's creative director wants to do a WoD TV series on Netflix, and would really like to make this happen by 2020. The TV series, should it exist, will be an important and canon part of the metaplot.

>>49876890
>Aspel is nowhere to be found
You think that just because he doesn't wear a name and a trip that he's not here?

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>>49878723
>mfw

>>49878771
I think that because I'm Aspel and that was my first post in the thread.

>>49878816
>>>/d/

>>49878638
I'd see the difference in the cases is the motivator. Most of my cases are dealing with having things, wanting things, taking things and preventing others from taking things away. The will to do really inhuman things in that regard is developed by the surroundings. If you become socialized in violent handling of resources, you can accept differing types of violence in the handling of resources.
A sexual sadist/domineer does his thing out of a twisted version of human sexuality. During some event he internalized destruction of body or deprivation of will and sexual passion/tension release and went with that. Usually in the confines of his physical capability or persuasiveness and his personal degree of lusting after sexual tension release determines his ferocity in pursuing that release. It's easier to lessen criticism of your own sexuality as sexuality is something very primal and personal.

Why would murdering a person for money require different skills than murdering for sexual tension build and release? Someone struggles and loses a life anyway.

>>49879392
It's been repeatedly shown that deviant and socially unacceptable fantasies are not only normal but healthy.
More to the point, your assertion that I'm going to murder because I'm a sadist/domineer is also off the mark considering I'm submissive and most of my fantasies revolve around being dominated with consent.

There's a reason armchair psychologists don't get paid.

Would starting a chemical reaction be Matter• or Matter••?

>>49879611
Normally Matter 2, but it would be reasonable to do so with Matter 1 were it highly volatile.

>>49875533
The LARP lines more or less ended before Demon could get around to being published as a LARP version. Same reason that Changeling only has a 2nd edition TT and a 1st edition LARP book.

Who made the pastebin, and can we get them to add some stuff that it's missing?

>>49880057
>the pastebin
I mean, the mega bin.

i have been so bored lately. I've been thinking about running a VtM game. Thinking about using Roll20. Anyone have experience with it?

>>49880169
I do. Randos can be pretty kinda shit, but sometimes you get lucky. Just screen decently, and don't be afraid to slap people down.

The framework itself is damn solid, I love it. The auto-loging in particular is nice.

>>49879446
>>>/d/

>>49880689
Is there a way that you know of to make the chat window stay expanded? I'd be doing it as text-only as I hate doing voice (plus in my house that would be awkward), I was probably going to try to recruit from here (so yeah, randos, but...)

>>49880798
"Stay expanded"? I don't understand the question, sorry.

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>>49880825
Pic related.

Is Nosferatu the movie exist in oWod or Cofd?

>>49880955
The novel 'Frankenstein' exists in CofD so maybe?

>>49880955
I like to have all fiction exist within my games.

Some's education on how to deal with threats.
Some's obfuscation of the truth.
Some's just creativing writing by people who want to make a buck.

>>49880886
As far as I know, it should just stay out...if need be, at worst, you'll have to resize, once, when you open the room fresh. Not too bad. Sorry I'm not more help, I leave it at default size.

>>49881237
No worries.

>>49879658
Cookoff
Matter••
Ruling
Primary Factor potency

Peace is easier to negotiate when a gun isn't being pointed at you. It's also easier when you're the only one pointing a weapon.

The spell immediate sets off ammunition within the area of affect causing the Stunned tilt. (Without a firing chamber and a barrel a cartridge is little more than a fire cracker)

Using this spell on a grenade is significantly more lethal.

>>49881557
Creative Thaumaturgy puts Tilts at 3 dots.
Just have it disable the gun.

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>>49875332
>anger issues

>>49881649
Is that in the errata I double checked the book it says you can do a non persistent mundane condition at two dots.

>>49882180
>non persistent mundane condition at two dots
Indeed you can.

However Stunned is a Tilt, which under dot point 4 of Conditions and Tilts is either available as a reach option on Attacking spells, or as an application of the practices of Fraying (3 dots) or Patterning (4 dots), depending on its nature.

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>tfw Only Lovers Left Alive is actually an interesting and intelligent film about vampires, that no one has fucking heard of.

Why didn't this... art get more recognition? Beautiful cinematography, amazing shots of interesting locations, and an amazing cast, that comes closer to classic vampire literature and tragedy than I've seen in a long time. It's beautiful.

Any other movies and tv shows in the last five or six years that may have slipped under the radar a WoD fan might have missed?

>>49882257
Hmm. There's really no point to cook off the rounds then. It's just as easy to jam a gun at two dots.

>>49882419
Pretty much. Also less potentially harmful to both others and Wisdom.

>>49882395

WoD/CofD players and Jim Jarmusch fans aren't really an overlapping group of people, so it's not a huge surprise.

I'd argue that Nightcrawler is a perfect example of what a CofD game would look like, and the main character is as close to a vampire as one can get without actually drinking blood. Late Phases is a pretty good movie for Hunter: The Vigil inspiration, too.

>>49882503
Wouldn't really be much worse than a couple of fire crackers going off. Probably some minor burns but no lasting damage.

It's a shame it's a clever trick.

>>49882174
You have spent like two days overreacting to the Netjer not being what you wish it was. Most of it doesn't even seem to be as out of character as you think it is.

>>49882419
Jamming the gun is the mechanical effect you want to go for anyway, not creating a series of explosions.

>>49882622

Anubis and Isis don't even resemble the gods they're supposed to be at all, and they went with a version of Set more demonized than any other myth.

I didn't overreact, I pretty politely explained my disagreements and was backed up by pretty much everyone on the forums and KS page.

I don't want to derail the thread, but every single Scion general has been shit

>>49882652
Anubis seems completely in line with a lot of depictions, and I you and I read the Isis write up very differently.
>I didn't overreact, I pretty politely explained my disagreements and was backed up by pretty much everyone on the forums and KS page.
I've only seen here and the Discord, and had people who don't talk to you saying "wow, you weren't kidding when you said she hated them".

>I don't want to derail the thread, but every single Scion general has been shit
Oh, most definitely. Makes this shitshow look refined.

>>49882737

I'd love to see where you see passionate, emotion-driven Anubis or any interpretation where he doesn't really care about the only thing he does in myth.

>>49882652

I mean, Scion was never all that popular and didn't have enough 1e material to go on, and 2e just didn't have enough information to keep a general away from shitposting. It was always going to be about the kickstarter and the nature of kickstarter and whatever updates the kickstarter would have.

I think it's possible for a good Scion General to exist, but it can only be when the game finally hits stores and people actually start playing it.

>>49882395
That thumbnail looks like a clown transforming into a werewolf.

>>49882743
He doesn't care about one specific part of his job. He's barely a feature in any myths, he's a Jackal, and Osiris took over his job.
His primary thing was mummification and the preservation of corpses, and Scion focuses on that, with his primary concerns being the condition of people's deaths. Likewise, you keep arguing that he's supposed to be calm and impassionate, but
>The Jumilhac papyrus recounts another tale where Anubis protected the body of Osiris from Set. Set attempted to attack the body of Osiris by transforming himself into a leopard. Anubis stopped and subdued Set, however, and he branded Set's skin with a hot iron rod. Anubis then flayed Set and wore his skin as a warning against evil-doers who would desecrate the tombs of the dead.[33] Priests who attended to the dead wore leopard skin in order to commemorate Anubis' victory over Set. The legend of Anubis branding the hide of Set in leopard form was used to explain how the leopard got its spots.[34]


>>49882846
I feel like the concept itself is more than enough for threads, but shitposters were all over it like flies on honey.

>>49882926

>I feel like the concept itself is more than enough for threads

Nah. There wasn't enough of The World put out, there wasn't enough of the mechanics pulled out, and we only had one or two playtesters who had to figure out what was and what wasn't under NDA. Threads for games can't live under speculation and theoretical character ideas alone. Even if we don't talk a whole lot about our games in this general, the fact that there are actual games to go on keeps the general alive.

>>49883033
Can you really call this being alive?

>>49883062

I mean, preferably I think we should get rid of WoD/CofD generals all together and just only have shorter, more focused threads, but we continuously hit 300+ within a day or two, sometimes without huge derails. That's some definition of alive, at least.

The key to keeping a General going is that the property it is about needs to either have a new constant stream of new content or a large amount of previously released or current content to discuss about. Releases tend to be at a snail's pace no matter who is making the material, but there's over twenty years worth of material all the same.

>>49882926
>>The Jumilhac papyrus recounts another tale where Anubis protected the body of Osiris from Set. Set attempted to attack the body of Osiris by transforming himself into a leopard. Anubis stopped and subdued Set, however, and he branded Set's skin with a hot iron rod. Anubis then flayed Set and wore his skin as a warning against evil-doers who would desecrate the tombs of the dead.[33] Priests who attended to the dead wore leopard skin in order to commemorate Anubis' victory over Set. The legend of Anubis branding the hide of Set in leopard form was used to explain how the leopard got its spots.[34]
Hardcore.

>>49883144
Shorter, more focused threads don't really work in the current meta of 4chan boards. And while I used to dislike generals, they've kind of warmed on me.

>>49883414

I'm aware of that, I just think those threads will always be better in the long run. Generals to me still have that weird feeling of trying to be makeshift bulletin board style forum topic threads. They're the way of the world now, though, so I certainly can't change it.

So, Deviant's Kickstarter will probably be next year, right?

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I just started watching Kindred: the Embraced.

What am I in for?

Why does Forces have illusions? Shouldn't that be Mind and Prime?

>>49884993
Forces has sensory illusion.
Mind has mental illusions.
Prime has physical manifestations of tass reflecting Supernal Concepts.

>>49885005
Yeah. But why does Forces have that? Shouldn't Prime have "Oh, but this is actually a [symbol]"?
Forces just controls energy. I don't see how that includes illusions.

>>49885013
I imagine it would include illusions like mirages.

>>49882395
Clan Toreador: The movie

As an aside, does Requiem have a Tzimisce equivalent?

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>>49875269
Here's Cain's character sheet. Let's see Alucard's, and we can white-room that shit.

>>49875349
I don't even *like* Requiem, but if I tried to ERP Aspel he'd just cry when I topped him like the prissy little piss-slut he is.

Camilla seems honest - any offence caused is not their intention, just from a misunderstanding of the source material. Aspel goes out of his way to annoy, going so far as to ape and mimic like an attention-starved child.

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>>49875533
1) Mummy:tR fell flat with fans. It was released as part of the Year of the Scarab, and was largely ignored in favor of books that expanded existing lines (Rage across Egypt and the equally awesome Cairo by Night leap to mind).

Compounding the problem were the old editions of Mummy. Mummy 1e is a straight up expansion for V:tM, providing a new type of antagonist or ally. 2e was a stand alone that hovered somewhere between Wraith and Werewolf, had more clarity of vision, fucking amazing Derangement rules... and characters that couldn't die. Ever. "Eternally fucked" was the only way out. It invited long, languid historic campaigns for tight-knit groups. M:tR essentially starts by killing all those ancient awesome dudes off, replacing them with a splat that starts as powerful as a Hunter but quickly goes off the deep end at the higher levels. (vague memories of a level 3 of 5 power being able to demolish the entire city... goodbye campaign.)

2) Demon:tF just plain ran out of time. It could have really used a 2nd Ed to answer questions that the material could have covered (a method to stockpile Faith - like how Tass works in M:tA, for example?)... but it's worth noting that even back when White Wolf threw their tantrum and killed every game line, FLGS everywhere thought they were committing fiscal suicide.

>>49875577
>Should I read the pastebin?

You may have to roll for Humanity loss.

>>49875636
Wow, no, I didn't. I remember the more well-off kids in the 90's playing D&D that way, and it all reminding me of HeroQuest, but pretty much every group I ever ran with were spending what little coin they had on rent and living. Collecting books was a slow process... the rise of .pdf has allowed these groups to flourish, freeing up money for the *really* important part.

Buying dice.

>>49885013

Manipulating light to make an image of something that isn't there is absolutely Forces.

>>49875796
Human beings are raised on the farms. Our free range days are long over. Bomb collars are set to explode if we leave the compound. They let the Vozhd gorge themselves on the remains.

Those of us with strength, or speed, or the promise of an intellect are given positions of trust as Ghoul servants. If we truly earn respect and trust, we may receive the gift of Cain. If we do not, we may be given that gift regardless, in exchange for a front-line place with "La Espada del Espiritu", the troops needed in the endless struggle against the Baali oppressors and their hidden servants. My master says their servants are everywhere, and we must always be vigilant.

Today my chores have led me to the domed city of Old Rome. The Masters sleep as we walk silently along darkened streets, running errands, delivering messages. Perhaps, for an hour, my time will be my own, as I eat my regulation bowl of starchy carbohydrates, protein and vegetable matter, and enjoy the tiny, forbidden treasure I keep beneath my straw mattress.

They called them "books", once. Only the Masters keep them now... but this is not like those dusty tomes, bound in human skin. This book is about a boy, and a dog, and a ball. I can nearly read it all now....

>Using VtM and bits of VtR with VtR rules as the base for my own vampire setting and clans
Is it a good idea, or should I stick to the established setting?

>>49875847
Gaslighting. It doesn't matter what that Anon's preferences are. The fact remains: Aspel is a piece of human feces.

>>49874888

Are there full 2e rules for playing as Archmages yet?

>>49876297
This is neither the time nor the place to get into a debate about sexuality citing bullshit sources. We've already lost two threads that way this week alone. Grow up and fuck off.

>>49885345

Mage 2e only has the corebook.

>>49877093
>What are your favorite non-core compacts and why?
The compacts manufactured by "Laura Mercier Foundation Powder". The mirrors in them are better, and with a staple brush you can achieve better blending and a flawless complexion.

>>49877175
You're easy to hate, Aspel. Kill yourself.

>>49877093

Division Six and Habibti Ma get my votes.

>>49878268
The Head Storyteller for White Wolf says CoD is shitty and never did as well.

>>49879611
1 dot is mostly "sensing" stuff related to the sphere in oWoD.

>>49880955
Watch that Willem Defoe film, "Shadow of the Vampire". It suggests that the only way Murnau got his film made was by offering the neck of the female lead to a real-life, honest to Cain, Nosferatu. I'd go with that, given how fucking eerie Max Shreck's make-up was (not to mention decades ahead of it's time... and the fact that no-one has a clue as to who Max Shreck really was!)

>>49877652
>>49878216

>Reading thread
>Aspel bitching
>Pedophile sympathizers
>V:TM show in the '90s
>Wait, what?

I am no marathoning Kindred: The Embraced and I say thank you, you salty mother fuckers who directed me to this finery.

It's not amazing, but holy fuck it's real.

Although the music straight from the Bram Stokers Dracula movie is a little glaring at times.

>>49878723

Wait, legit?

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>>49884950
>no children of Malkav
>no clan weaknesses except Nosferatu
>every scene more lit up than a dentist office
>script writing that makes Beverly Hills 90210 look like James Joyce's "Ulysses"
>cardboard grenade launchers
>inconsistent rules on sunlight exposure
>fucking a Kine does something not-quite-Ghoulish to them
>actors you remember from the 90's

>>49885318
If it's fun, I say go for it. A lot of Anons tend to insist that Requiem had the better mechanics, while everyone agrees Masquerade had more fluff.

Can we include a link to this trove in the next /wodg/? The current one has a good collection of CoD but zero content from before that.

https://mega.nz/#F!wpB0ib4a!EsAU0AE4ihrNlDWzp3-MIw!8goQCRCA

>>49885904
>legit?
I'm afraid so. Elricsson is a fucking idiot - he insists that their IP is going to make all these big earning games, when he has no idea how much net profit you need to make to turn a profit on an AAA game, and all his cronies can afford are shitty mobile games.

IF YOU HATED METAPLOT 20 YEARS AGO, IMAGINE HOW GOOD IT WILL FEEL WHEN METAPLOT IS DRIVEN BY SHITTY TV SHOWS AND GAME DESIGNERS' PERSONAL MARY-SUE AVATARS AND EVENTS AT CONVENTIONS YOU CAN'T AFFORD TO ATTEND

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>>49886194
let us not forget that many tv shows die in development hell, or are cancelled before they make a full season. netflix prevents the latter by uploading an entire season in one go, but if no-one wants to watch it, it won't be renewed.

>>49886194

I'm optimistic. I like the metaplot.

>>49874888
So I'm going to be playing oWoD Mage soon, and I'm a bit confused about IC terminology for Tradition Mages.

For attributes, abilities and Spheres it's fairly easy, but how do I say "This ritual will require three points of quintessence?" IC without it sounding really stilted? The same goes for Arete and Paradox, all of which are important and likely to come up in conversation but I want to avoid sounding as if I am literally reading numbers off the sheet.

Hey guys sorry I've been away for a while. I thought I would...
Did y'all just spend over half a thread bitching about one person. Now I don't know if I want to share what I'm working on with you.

>>49886409
Actually it was more like 2 threads in row. But feel free to share your work (before it starts again).

>>49886264
Masquerade had a similar problem with "Blood Points".... my advice, for Quintessence at least, is to come up with subjective descriptors that correspond one-to-one with a chart numbered one to ten. i.e. -
1 - "just a drop"
2 - "a heartbeat-full"
3 - "a bit"
4 - "some"
5 - "half a soul's worth"
6 - "a lot"
7 - "quite a lot"
8 - "heaps"
9 - "stacks"
10 - "an Archmage's ransom"

You could probably do something similar with Arete etc., using a thesaurus and looking up subjective terms.

(they tell you to do this at Angry Men's Training - name the levels of your anger, so you can identify where you're at, and walk away at a 7 instead of going to 10 and punching your wife/dog/child/boss)

>>49876219
There's a discord for WoD?

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>>49886238
>I'm optimistic. I like the metaplot.
I was pretty outraged when Umbral everything got scrapped in Mage Revised because of the sodding Avatar Storm. Part of the game's appeal was the idea that the Umbra allowed for any style of story you could name.... I imagine that's small potatoes to the Ravnos players out there who had their favourite characters gang-staked by their own packs and coteries in the Week of Nightmares. At least the Stargazers leaving the Garou Nation didn't change a fucking thing to most players.

>pic related: Bangladesh after the Week of Nightmares.

Let's talk music. I'm sure everyone has their favourite atmospheric pieces for TT sessions - some of that Ambient Drone stuff is fucking epic for really horrific games - but who here has tried something more advanced, by playing a song that jarred uncomfortably with the scene?
>Music: Pharell's "Happy"
>"You groggily open your eyes to find yourself tied firmly to a chair in a dusty storeroom. Over the music you hear someone whistling, and the long metallic *shhhhhinggg* of a butcher's knife being sharpened....
>"You're awake!" you hear her giggle as she walks in behind you, "That's going to make this even ~better~!"

>>49885971
>Dark Ages >Masquerade

What are the motives of the exarchs?

>>49886653
That doesn't really scare me.
More I think psycho sex bunny.

>>49886238

There's going to be some heavy changed to the metaplot, too, or at least that's what they're implying. We'll see how it goes.

>>49875093
>Low generation

He would be around 4th-5th generation you prick.

The guy ate an entire city without effort.

>>49887447
... I don't think you understand the use of the term "low" in this case.

>>49887460
>Using 'low' for 'early' and 'high' for 'late'

My mistake then.

Damn, I hate when people does that.

>>49887478
It's more that 4 is a lower (smaller) number than something like 9, or 10.

>>49887243
>opinion
cool

>>49884993
Light is an aspect of Forces. Illusions are made of light.

As I recall from NWoD1e, Prime 'illusions' were semi-real and solid?

>>49887399
>There's going to be some heavy changed to the metaplot, too

Earliest indications are that we are now post-Gehenna, post-Apocalypse, post-Ascension. All possible world enders happened, although the scenarios are nothing that were published in the Time of Judgement. Loosely, vampires warred over "the graves of the Ancients" (so it was just one massive Diablerie buffet); A heap of Wyrmspawn were unleashed across the planet and largely thrashed so now the debate for the Garou is whether to have another Impergium; the Technocracy won "when we surrendered our creativity to the machine", according to massive asshole and lead designer Martin "Can I be Dracula?" Elricsson. How this affects the other game lines isn't yet clear.

Likewise, they seem obsessed with an ongoing dynamic metaplot that worldwide can be derail- I mean, be participated in; multimedia shit; brand marketing everywhere... oh yeah, also when the new Swedish HQ got set up with the White Wolf properties they ended up in possession of "10 years worth of work on the MMORPG", but given that there's been 3 different shitty alphas sited, and not one of them had sprite collision or physics worth a fuck.....

>>49887613

God it still makes me mad that they spent years doing absolutely fuck all with that MMO.

>>49887261
Power. Control. Oppression.
The Exarchs don't even necessarily have motives. They just are.
You could also say that it's maintaining and strengthening the status quo.

>>49887489
Not him, but I've always found that counterintuitive, or at least it FEELS odd. We associate "low" with less. A "low" Generation Elder on the other hand is ridiculously powerful.

>>49875093
>CofD: Unstatted DMPC
Anakim Beast with high Lair.

>>49887613
>the Technocracy won "when we surrendered our creativity to the machine", according to massive asshole and lead designer Martin "Can I be Dracula?" Elricsson.
God I fucking hate this. Back to the anti-technology neopagan bullshit. I bet Apocalypse is going to be even worse.

YOU RAPED OUR MOTHER

>>49888409
You thought he was going to evolve the game?

>>49888417
No. I just wish he wasn't going to emphasize all the parts of oWoD I hate.
I wanted to like it.
I wanted to give WoD a try after disliking it so much. I wanted there to at least be a Bloodlines with more of what I liked and less of what I hated.

But every time I'm reminded about his plans or read some interview he's given, I lose hope.

>>49888409

He's obsessed with 1e for the Big Three, so it's not a huge surprise. Pretty dissapointing, though.

>>49888467

You just have to make peace with the fact that you're not going to like WoD. You're not ever going to like it, and you're not going to understand why people do.

It's OK, because WoD fans don't seem too happy with what's going on, either. I don't think this new WoD is really for anyone but Martin himself. He gets along well with OPP, though, so I know the stuff I will like is more or less safe.

>>49888516
I mean, I at least want to like it enough to play the video games or watch the Netflix shows that we're totally definitely going to get.

>>49875061
WHICH Alucard?

The one from Castlevania? The one from Hellsing? One of several other options?

>>49888625
Gee. Maybe it's the one in the OP image?

>>49885118
Alucard can explicitly only be beaten by a heroic but otherwise totally mundane human.

Caine is a monster (and one cursed by God, at that), and therefore by default cannot beat Alucard. Alucard can't just hit Caine and get hit back seven times harder by God, either, because Alucard being a horrible monster that can't die is ALSO a curse from God, and he's not going to let him get away with that kind of loophole.

Alucard can't beat Caine either, of course.

>>49885013
Forces has illusions in the sense of literally manipulating the light and sound your senses detect.

It wouldn't be able to do smell or taste. Touch it could do, at least for things like heat or pressure.

>>49888409
>YOU RAPED OUR MOTHER
That summarises the attitude very effectively. Werewolves are Mad As Hell, And They're Not Going To Take It Anymore. The primary antagonist seems to have shifted from a Metaphysical entity (the Wyrm) to the entire human race, without any fucking common sense. I have visions of fat neckbeard game designers ranting about the evils of modern culture and technology on their blogs on their enormous octo-core computers as they wipe the corners of their mouths with disposable napkins and bin the uneaten half of their Big Mac. Hypocrisy, thy copyright holder is CCCP.

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>>49888516
Massive oWoD fan here, first shot on the V:tM introductory kit in the summer of 1997 and I am telling you now, this is fucking with the recipe for Coca Cola. Fans don't want massive overhauls of core concepts AS WELL as an updated, advanced metaplot. Fucking pick one. Your evaluation that this entire creative convulsion is a personalised fan service for a scant handful of Swedes seems utterly accurate (svenska rövhål). As it is I've given up hope of finding anything useful with "20th Anniversary" written on it. I'm resolved to chase old, old World of Darkness titles and simply do a bit of thinking about how to update it myself, without Elricsson or Brucato or any of those other imbeciles ruining my train of thought in a haze of sidebars.

>>49888661
So... what we get is a war by proxy.

HOLY SHIT WHAT IF THIS IS THE TRUE FACE OF SIX THOUSAND YEARS OF JYHAD

....oh yeah, while we're bitching about White Wolf, did anyone notice they don't want us calling it The Eternal Jyhad anymore?

>>49888661
>Alucard can explicitly only be beaten by a heroic but otherwise totally mundane human.
That was his personal notion, not some kind of definitive Bane.

>>49888833
But the 20th Anniversary editions are overwhelmingly praised except by people who think racism is cool and have nothing to do with Erikkson.
Brucato isn't some new blood, he's the one they called in because he was writing the old shit to begin with.

>>49888546

Well, you won't, and you'll have to live with that. I mean, Dracula's gambit could work out and we all have to live through an explosion of WoD 5e popularity, but something tells me that for most of the fandom, nothing will change save for the frequency we grind our teeth.

>>49888833

It seems like the only fans other than them who benefit is the LARPing community, and even then White Wolff pissed off the American scene enough to unite to conplain. An ill omen if there ever was one.

>>49888858
Well the word does kind of have much different connotations now.
Plus it's fucking stupid and had nothing to do with anything in the first place. "Let's use a random Arabic word in our overwhelmingly Christian trappinged game, and let's spell it nonstandard, too".
"Eternal Jyhad" sounds more pretentious than even "Eternal Struggle".

>>49888940

Nah, M20's more divisive than you think. A lot of it comes off as Brucato's wankery run wild, especially with the special snowflake faction that's clearly intended to be the new good guys.

>>49888858
Jihad has acquired a bit of an unpleasant connotation in the last 15 years or so.

>>49888940
>But the 20th Anniversary editions are overwhelmingly praised except by people who think racism is cool and have nothing to do with Erikkson.

What I see when I look at them is around 500 pages of compiled crunch from a massive stack of sourcebooks, even the fiddly, useless and broken bits that could have been left out. The artwork is hit and miss, but that's standard White Wolf. There's so little fluff that basic questions - what does it look like when a Kindred dies, or, what exactly is the process of transformation in the Embrace, how does it feel? - get left out. The books allegedly have editors, but I don't believe that for a second. Whole pages are full of rants that meander over irrelevant bullshit - Brucato is by far the worst offender - and the hideous attempt to mash sidebars into nearly every page makes it even harder to read. And then, after all that, they have the AUDACITY to say they couldn't address Sorcerers in M20 Core, because of space concerns. If the fucking editor had actually done their job, it would have fit just fine.

>Brucato isn't some new blood, he's the one they called in because he was writing the old shit to begin with.
Emphasis on "old shit". Brucato was thought of as a fucking madman 20 years ago, before he changed his first name to Satyros. His old stuff is cringingly bad - ultrafeminazi Black Furies, the Technocracy are mustachioed black hats, The Seven Mystic Traditions of European Awesomeness + The Darkies + Kung Fu Asians, personal unicorn friends for every visitor to the Children of Gaia Realm, all mashed together with Brucato's pet occult theories.... but that was OLD Brucato, now we have NEW Brucato, where everyone casts Magick using Yoga, your paradigm is shit because Chaos Magic is the One True Faith, and the Technocracy are saps who will never reach true enlightenment. Go Disperate Union! You're Brucato's new pets! Everyone else sucks Nephandi tentacles!

>>49889195
>>But the 20th Anniversary editions are overwhelmingly praised except by people who think racism is cool and have nothing to do with Erikkson.
also fans ofthe originals who don't like them

>>49888963
>"Let's use a random Arabic word in our overwhelmingly Christian trappinged game, and let's spell it nonstandard, too".

Ignoring that for like 22% of the planet it *always* had different connotations for a second.... this is what White Wolf did all day, every day, from wherever they could. Every gameline is full of cultural misappropriation and misrepresentation. We just laughed it all off back then because we were young and sheltered.

>>49889273
>We just laughed it all off back then because we were young and sheltered.
and now the over sensitive among us see it as offensive?

>>49889314
We don't see it as offensive, we see it as a cringey attempt at exoticism. But then that was all over the place in oWoD.

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>>49889314
Some of us just changed with age, especially those of us with kids. We have to try to better than we were, to set an example for younger folks. The world is changing. Filling a young person's head with prejudice is setting them up for misery. After all, if that black guy is supposed to be less than me, how does it make me feel if he's more successful in life than me?

Besides, racism never made sense from the point of view of some splats. Why would Kindred care about skin colour when Bloodline and Generation was what mattered? Why would Garou place nationalism over tribalism? The only group that it ever would have mattered to is the Mages, because the struggles of a magical Craft are intrinsically tied to a specific ethnic group.

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>>49888858
Cuz thats racis.

>>49889273
>We just laughed it all off back then because we were young and sheltered.
Not really, it's such problem now because young people, who are main demographic group of customers in RPG market, are so sheltered now.

>>49889470
>Why would Kindred care about skin colour when Bloodline and Generation was what mattered? Why would Garou place nationalism over tribalism?
Brilliant argument indeed. Why is racism in our society at all, if money and status is what matters?

>>49889852

>young people, who are main demographic
>tabletop RPGS

Oh, buddy, have I got a harsh truth for you.

>>49885315
Not sure if the sabbat would be strong enough to enslave mankind.

What's going on with Changeling: the Lost 2e?

>>49889937
Is it different in USA? Here it is mainly high school/college students, oldest PnP gamer I personally know is barely over 30.

>>49890281

Here, the market tends to focus on older people who were already into the games to begin with. If I recall correctly, the average age of a tabletop gamer here, or at least people who actively play and state that they do so, is somewhere in the late twenties and early thirties.

The internet is once again skewing the market towards the young, especially as streaming RPGs becomes a new market for game streamers, but for now younger people are usually more familiar with freeform RP, with a tendency towards IP-based freeform RP.

>>49888963
>"Let's use a random Arabic word in our overwhelmingly Christian trappinged game

Yes because Christianity didn't come out of the middle east and Vampire Dark Ages wasn't full of christianity and muslim arabia interacting. Also thank god there aren't like six clans with non Christian themes and origins.

Fucking idiot.

>>49888940
>But the 20th Anniversary editions are overwhelmingly praised except by people who think racism is cool and have nothing to do with Erikkson.

Literally only Vampire 20, mage and werewoof 20 are abominations. Dont you have a RPG.net thread to circlejerk in?

>>49890566
Wait, I don't know much about VTM, why exactly is the 20th anniversary edition bad? I mean, it compiles all of the rules of various books into one package.

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>>49878723
>>49886194
>mfw my character will be one of the main characters of the setting while /tg/'s characters will be basically fanfiction shit

That's what I call friends in sort of high places

>>49888940
>But the 20th Anniversary editions are overwhelmingly praised except by people who think racism is cool and have nothing to do with Erikkson.

Dude, what?

>>49889273
>Every gameline is full of cultural misappropriation and misrepresentation. We just laughed it all off back then because we were young and sheltered.

All culture is appropriated from those that came before us. It's only a matter of the time frame in which it occurs. If you're going to attempt to police who takes inspiration from what, then you are making the implicit statement that culture should be frozen at its current point.

Now shut the fuck up and grow a spine.

>>49890916

>Be HONORED that I get to take your stuff and get to determine how it's used for you! What do you mean that only some cultures are allowed to do this? Don't you have a spine?

They're using an academic shorthand to talk about an abusive form of cultural cross-pollination. What counts as "abusive" can be a grey area that can be welded as a weapon by anyone with an agenda, but that doesn't mean that methods of cultural exchange take place on a completely free market.

On the greater scale of things, a bunch of nerd games using foreign terms badly isn't going to amount to much of anything, but some people seem to think that a bit of criticism in general is going to stagnate the culture. Calm down, dude.

>>49887613
>the Technocracy won
I honestly fail to see how this is a bad thing.

>>49887613
At the last grand Masquerade, DeFreest stated that the plot is going to be rewound to juuuuuust before theTime of judgement books.

>>49891040
>They're using an academic shorthand to talk about an abusive form of cultural cross-pollination. What counts as "abusive" can be a grey area that can be welded as a weapon by anyone with an agenda, but that doesn't mean that methods of cultural exchange take place on a completely free market.
>abusive form of cultural cross-pollination

Nigga you realize this is the same argument used by stormfags that want to "keep the white race pure", right?

>>49891040
>What counts as "abusive" can be a grey area that can be welded as a weapon by anyone with an agenda

And so they're fuckheads and control freaks until proven otherwise.

So fuck you for defending them.

>>49891509

>>49891330
Makes sense.

SJW's are just pallet-swap stormfags anyway.

>>49891330

It could be used that way if you like to look at things without nuance. The criticism isn't that it's happening at all, it's that more powerful cultural forces will take an aspect of another culture, claim it as their own, and then use it as a tool to abuse the cultures that had it in the first place. It's the last part that's the key point, since they're talking about it in an explicitly colonial sense.

The cultural market isn't free, and the only people who get up in arms about that are either hand-wringing liberals who who seriously worry that they can't eat ramen anymore or actual cultural imperialists.

>>49891351

If we considered ideas to be bad because shitheads used them, we'd run out of ideas fast.

>>49889273
It's not the cultural appropriation part that's the problem, it's the connotations. Yes, Jihad has always had connotations of "holy war" (it's not), but the primary audience (America) wasn't at war with ~radical Islam~ at the time of the original books. I mean, it was just as dumb then, but didn't have the unfortunate connotations.

>>49889852
>>49889852
>Not really, it's such problem now because young people, who are main demographic group of customers in RPG market, are so sheltered now.
Oh grow the fuck up. This shit has always been marketed to the 18-35 year old crowd, and the whole "Millennials get offended because they're so sheltered" thing has repeatedly been disproven. We get offended because we're NOT sheltered. We're able to see different people's viewpoints, and have people tell us why things upset and frustrate and depress them. We're able to hear from people who aren't just straight or white because of the internet and social media. We can see people from outside of our shelters, and people who aren't in those shelters can communicate with those who are.

>>49890916
People who bitch about cultural appropriation the way that you do tend to miss the point entirely. It's not about "policing" anything. It's about showing respect. It's about white people not taking a black form of music, changing it a little, and then pushing the black people out of it and denying them credit for decades. It's about not taking the religious symbols of people that have been trampled on physically and socially and then using them for mockery.

Nevermind that standing up to the status quo takes quite a bit more spine than sitting down and defending it.

>>49891530
>>49891330
No it's not. The majority is not in any risk of dying out or losing it's identity.
Or, you could say that it is the same argument Stormfront uses. But the difference is for them it's another whiny fear that giving rights to minorities means taking theirs away. For minorities, the threat is real.

>>49890545
Christianity doesn't use the term Jihad, and as far as I'm aware, Jyhad was used before and outside of the Dark Ages line.
I'm not even sure what your yapping is about.