Horus Heresy General /hhg/

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>>49781074

When Prospero is Ashes, you have my permission to die.

First for corax

>>49781103
Nevermore.

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Let's put this right at the start.

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>>49781109
>>49781103
>>49781101

oops lost this on the tail of the last thread, so here it is again.
Give me your grumpy wisdom HHg

OK, so in my indecision I have decided on Death guard.
Back when I was a starry eyed kid in the rogue trader era, I had my own special snowflake chapter (adeptus antares scorpions) and their mary sue power was rad. They were immune to it, and all the missile launchers were equipped and the boss dudes had rad grenades.

So. Here's my 10 existential problems.
1) How to build an army? I have 1 box of Calth at the moment. Do I just compulse buy everything or build a nice fluffy list then buy it?
2) muh calth terminators and muh future prospero terminators will be of no use to me, because deathshoud and grave warden termis are simply better.
3) The reaping; is it obligatory? (is it the best rite of war for death guard, or will others be worthwhile?)
4) gets hot flamers; how reliable are those?
5) if terminators and contemptor class talons, then how the flying fuck do i fit any destroyer squads in?
6) the reaping limits to a single fast attack: is there a go to no brainer choice? I really like the look of the jet bikes and the jet car, but damn they look expensive (in $ and pts) and flimsy (in game)
7) 3 units of 15 dude tactical squads as base troops: good idea or not?
8) breacher squads: y/n ?
9) one sicaran battle tank or two?
10) i don't like the rhino variants (pred, vindic, whirlwind etc) i hope i don't need them?

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While cool, I am somewhat annoyed that BoP has so much specific shit as opposed to BaC's generic legion stuff.

>>49781103
I have to admit raven guard looks fucking kewl too.
But they don't have rad grenades out the ass.

>>49781117
I'm liking that not-Bjorn model.

>>49781121

You think Darkness is your ally Corax? You merely adopted the dark. I was born in it. Molded by it. I never saw the light of the Emperor until I was a grown Ogryn, and by then it was nothing to me but blinding!

>>49781136
it's during the heresy, so even the future traitor legions will have access to custodes and sisters of shut up and make me a sammitch.

>Well as much access as loyalist legions.

>>49781128
Enjoy the fumes brother.

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>>49781144
beautiful

>>49781149
I'm sorry I don't understand?

>>49781128
1) Buy a box of BoP once it's out
2) terminators are situational at best
3) Reaping and Creeping Death are both very good.
4) still very reliable; your 3+ save will probably handle it
5) You don't. Drop something if you don't have the points.
6) Attack Bike or Speeder, if you must. Death Guard do better as an all-infantry army anyway.
7) 20 guys are usually better, you either go small enough to fit in a rhino/pod or you go full blob.
8) y
9) More Sicarians are generally good, but Death Guard do better as an all-infantry army anyway.
10) Not necessarily. Death Guard do better as an all-infantry army anyway.

>>49781136
All you lost was the characters and rather shitty monopose dread. I'm sure you can sell/trade those custodes and sisters to make the kit worth your while.

Which named custodes do y'all think we'll get special character rules for? Constantin Valdor seems like a safe bet, especially as he was actually on Prospero for the whole inferno malarkey. Aquillon in case anybody wants to recreate that one fight on Isstvan is possible but unlikely (not least because that would probably force FW to do Argel Tal's rules too, and it seems like they really don't want to do that). Not sure who else though. Perhaps we'll get a FW custodes that nobody had heard of up to this point?

>>49781147
Because the Custodes and the SoS will totally work against the Emperor's interests *during* the heresy, i.e. the time when the traitors are already, y'know, traitors.

>>49781128
>1) How to build an army? I have 1 box of Calth at the moment. Do I just compulse buy everything or build a nice fluffy list then buy it?
Easy as it goes. Tactical blobs are a thing, and DG run them pretty well.
>2) termies
Bash yourself together some powerscythes if it bothers you, or run Night Lord allies for teleportation
>3) The reaping; is it obligatory? (is it the best rite of war for death guard, or will others be worthwhile?)
Depends on how you want to run it, i know a guy who runs orbital assault with Morty for a bizarrely mobile force
>4) gets hot flamers; how reliable are those?
They fucking destroy infantry, but too many of them is wasted. Unless you only ever play guys who run 60+ bodies, only bring one squad of support/heavy with chemflamers, or flamers in general.
>5) if terminators and contemptor class talons, then how the flying fuck do i fit any destroyer squads in?
>destroyers
they're shittier than wyches in 40k, they're well and truly the worst things in the legion book.
>6) the reaping limits to a single fast attack: is there a go to no brainer choice? I really like the look of the jet bikes and the jet car, but damn they look expensive (in $ and pts) and flimsy (in game)
Your FA is, WAAC speaking, usually best spent on air support to keep other flyers off your back
>7) 3 units of 15 dude tactical squads as base troops: good idea or not?
Nope, run them as three units of 20 with apothecaries.
>8) breacher squads: y/n ?
Nay, they're better than destroyers and thats the only nice thing about them i can think of
>9) one sicaran battle tank or two?
One to start with
>10) i don't like the rhino variants (pred, vindic, whirlwind etc) i hope i don't need them?
welcome to heresy, do your own thing and see how it works. The only things i ever see in rhinos are AL dudes, vindicators, and the one guy who runs armoured spearhead

>>49781187
thx bruh

>>49781128
>>HHG FAQ
>http://pastebin.com/iUqNrrA8
>Official HH 7th Edition Errata (Updated January 2016)
>http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/resources/fw_site/fw_pdfs/Horus_Heresy/Horus_Heresy_7th_Edition.pdf
>>30k TACTICA
>https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Warhammer_40,000/Tactics#Horus_Heresy
>>30k Tutorials for 40k minis
>https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Warhammer_40,000/Tactics/Space_Marine_Legion_List_(30k)#Building_Your_Army
Did you read this before posting

>>49781117
No breachers, no assault marines, 12 very specific not-generic-marines models ... yeah I can't get any value out of this set. Maybe I'll get 10 tartaros terminators off somebody who won't use them, but even that is questionable.

But this things must be a must have for MK III legions/fans

>>49781247
>implying we won't get a breacher upgrade kit the week after
WEW LAD

>>49781128
>1)

You'll have 60 tacticals. Maybe 20 man blob of MkIVs and 20 man blob of MkIIIs with 10 and 10 for (heavy) support squad. DG flamer squads might be fun. You get rad grenades from The Reaping, can get CCWs for the unit and chem ammo for the flamers. Huff that dank shit.

If the MkIII kits are like the MkIV ones, you should have a spare torso per 10 dudes. Get an extra pair of legs and a backpack from a bits store and you'll have 66 marines.

>2)

What do you mean are of no use? You can make the cataphractii into grave wardens and tartaros into deathshrouds. Get some grenade launchers as guns for the cataphractii (you can use the captain as is for the sergeant) and some hand flamers (genestealer cultists got loads of them) and scythes for the tartaros.

>3)

It's all up to you. I took it because rad grenades for all characters and Move Through Cover fuck yeah. You can phosphex the shit out of the board and your dudes don't give a shit. Or driver your tanks and bikes through terrain no problem.

>4)

Support squad with 10 flamers is going to kill a bunch of marines (and even more Militia) and suffer like 0.5 unsaved wounds.

>5)

The Reaping gives characters rad grenades. Every DG squad is a Destroyer squad. If you got a BaC contemptor, maybe give it a second assault cannon and use it as a Mortis for some air cover?

>6)

I went with bikes. Cheap and with Move Through Cover I can just cruise through any and all terrain without a care in the world.

>7)

20 or 10 in a rhino. Don't forget apothecaries for the 20.

>8)

Situational. I'd stock up on tacticals first.

>9) one sicaran battle tank or two?

What else do you want as HS? The Reaping makes Heavy Support squads Troops, so you got options.

>10)

You can always use Land Raiders.

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>>49781247
That's my issue as well. I mean, I'm glad Custodes and Sisters of Silence are finally getting models, but I can't use either with my Word Bearers, and both not-Bjorn and Ahriman willl probably require extensive conversion work being done on them.
I'd have preferred a generic Librarian and Centurion as HQs and maybe a Deredeo as a vehicle, if I'm totally honest.

>>49781268
You can ofcourse already get that breacher upgrade set from FW, so the upgrade set was there way before this thing. But it's just less convenient that there are no shields already included in the box

>>49781117
>Ahzek
>SoS
I want!

What would be the best way to turn 30k Ahriman into a Space Wolves Runepriest?

>>49781208
thx also !

Bit of a downer that GW picked Ahriman and not 2 characters created just for this box, like with B@C.

Because we all know what happens to Ahriman for the next 10k years, the outcome of this story basically spoils itself.

Unless we get another huge retconn ofcourse and people world wide will be forced to burn their 40k Ahriman models.

>>49781303
Green stuffed wolf fur instead of the cloak
Maybe more fetishes dangling off him
do something to the weapon I dont know

>>49781230
No, i didn't.
The FAQ would be pretty meaningless anyway, but look, in two posts I got the info I needed.

20 marine blob squads
sell tartaros, get deathshroud and grave wardens.
get Sicaran
get aeroplane and put rad missile launchers all over it.
Don't bother with breachers of destroyers.

The only thin i don't know that maybe the tactica may say; is what makes destroyers so shit?

Now that MK3 is soon to be affordable, is there any worth in footslogging IW?

>>49781303
Cover in wolf stuff and make sure he's a massive hypocrite.

>>49781274
just like maccy d's i'm lovin this.

No cunt destoyers though, kinda sadface, but m'kay.
I aint converting though, the forgeworld deathshroud models are pretty as fuck.

>>49781313
yep we know that anonymous wolf guy dies and harryman survives and bjork becomes a terrible singer then becomes a readnought

>be the guy who draws the general image
>been making the IWG image in spare time
>see new prospero box
fuck the bitter IW, fucking new prospero general tomorrow!

>>49781326
>what makes destroyers so shit
They're just a bit ridiculous, a very cool concept but they have a lot of rules and gear that make them expensive without being proportionally useful.

Here's what I'd do, drop a pistol from them, remove counter attack and lower their Ld by one for the grunts. Then add x1 power weapon per 5 guys like with assault squads and up their attacks to 2 base for the grunts. No change to points.

Then you have a squad of ten with jump packs and 2+1 power weapons capable of 40 attacks on the charge, 12 are power weapons, for 355 points. Still only as survivable as regular marines though.

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>>49781414
Hit us up, brother! Yes, that is a bunch of Flamingos advertising themselves.

>>49781414
How much inspiration was drawn from that shitty photoshop one, and how much wolf and wolf fetishes will be in this image

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>>49781247
>Mfw the only thing stopping me from starting IW was no plastic IW
BITTERNESS TIME

>>49781428
Nah Destroyers just need a points drop and rules for the bio-chem ammo their bolt pistols are suppose to have according to the fluff in their unit entry.

>TFW you read that part of their fluff and look over to the rules, only to see that it was all a lie.

>>49781117
>"Approx 60% added value."
>£95
So let's say theoretically around £150-160 with everything sold separately. Let's assume standalone prices of:
>5 tartaros same as 5 cataphractii: £40
>10 Mk IIIs same as 10 Mk IVs: £30 (so £90 for 30)
>Characters same as B@C characters: £30
Those come to £160 by themselves, from which I can only conclude that the custodes and sisters of silence models will be free when released as standalones. Or GW, for some reason, are advertising the box as having a smaller discount than it actually does. Or I just can't into maths today.

>>49781474
They're judging from AUD/NZD values, which have a 40% increase

>>49781470
I like them to have power weapons since they'll be in CC to get any proper benefits but Poisoned 4+ pistols sounds good, I play Dangels though so it isn't like we need any more poisoned bolt ammo.

>>49781117
when?

>>49781468
Iron hands, fug yeah.

>"Beep Boop, FLESH IS WEAK!"

I might do this post Istvan rite of war that has them extra pissed off.

>>49781543
November sometime probably. The november white dwarf has them on its cover.

>>49781280

Source of art please!

>>49781552
So I have to hold on to my savings for a little while more...

>>49781526
The ammo could also do something different rather than wounding on a fixed value. Like have a scary AP or a Str value that depends on the number of succesfull hits.

I'd avoid powerweapons to keep destroyers different from powerweapon vets, a number of legion specific units, and command squads. Maybe just 2 attack base would be enough, because 40 attacks on the charge in combination with rad grenades is aready kind of scary, even without AP 2 or 3

>>49781590
>40 attacks on the charge in combination with rad grenades is aready kind of scary, even without AP 2 or 3
That's a good point I didn't consider.

>>49781303
I wouldn't consider it a valid base material for conversion to a Space Wolves model - I would consider it too far removed aesthetically.

>>49781117
>Still no plastic MkII
>They actually used Ahriman
>They might no be generics
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>49781668
According to everything on the sheet, all the MKIII's are generic and can be upgraded to wear anything.

>>49781549
What rite?

>>49781721
Company of Bitter Iron, makes Immortals troops and gives everyone hatred traitors.

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>>49781117
>"Bjorn won't be in this game, he's a literally who"
>Put a literally who in the game, looking almost the same and having the same fucking nickname
I don't understand.
Was there only room for one Fell Handed and one Wolf?

>>49781748
Right, thanks.

>>49781757
Operation Wolf Eater.

>>49781689
>Custodes
>LITERALLY AHRIMAN
>Some cool looking Wolf Dude who ISN'T BJORN, SUCK IT SPACE YIFFS
>No MkII still.

Well the HH sets are a nice deal for sure, but if you have a bunch of marines already and no real desire to start a huge HH army, its kinda sad that you always get like 30 new tacticals.

>>49781117
Am I the only one who really hates that these sets don't come with like 20 tacs and 10 Cataphractii/terminators and two characters, plus something else?

It'd be the perfect way to split an army between you and a friend.

>>49781757
I'M STIIIIIIILL IN A DREAM!!!

>>49781796
Damn scarab. Broke my knife!

>>49781349
>While other Legions might get Ld bonuses or re-rolls, the ability to ignore ranged casualties and being one of the few Legions with access to widespread Stubborn and Fearless and thus ignore negative penalties as a result of failed assaults while also ignoring ranged casualties means the Iron Warriors can lay claim to having some of the best Morale rules in the entire Heresy, but you'll need a good plan lest your dudes die for nothing.
>...by sheer dint of ignoring an entire phase worth of morale troubles, Iron Warriors can ensure their soldiers always HOLD THE LINE. Furthermore, this lessens the need for transports as your infantry will be more capable of braving enemy fire (specially AP3 Pinning artillery, very common in 30K), easing the use of 20-men tac blobs (who seldom fit inside transports), or you can divert those points into bringing more Terminators, tanks or fast units that can take advantage of the distraction. The battle will now turn into a meatgrinder for both sides, welcome to the Iron Warriors!
>Ride the Ironfire...The bonus functions near any and all Iron Warriors units, not necessarily infantry. It can be near the Spartan carrying Golg's terminators for all you care.
They CAN footslog. That doesn't necessarily mean they should. But they can, as in some of they will die for sure, but they won't run away.

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>>49781796
>>49781883
I'd give my wolf
Not for honour, but for you
*Fell Handed*

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>>49781975
I'm fell handed, and you are too.

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>>49781985
>Horus played us like a damn fiddle!
WHY DO MGS QUOTES FIT SO WELL IN WARHAMMER?!

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>>49782033
It. Just. Works.

>>49781975
I'd take the knot, brother

>>49781975
Is Fell Handed his porn name ?

>>49782075
You're reminding me of that screencap of the guy's UM chapter with the battlecry "Take the knot!". I think his chapter was called "The Hanged".

>>49782086
Something to do with claws, or if you lost a hand I imagine.

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And another Brother joins the fray!
Sorry for thr people that are bored with IW but hey, at least I paint.

A bit sad that the picture doesn't do it justice completely but oh well. Put a bit more mud all around, and I just need to wait for the base to dry to wash and ardcoat it to keep that wey mud effect.

>>49782033
because MGS is also fucking ridiculous

>>49782102
Plz drill your barrels.

Sweet model bro!

>>49782116
I know hahaha, I have another one that needs drillings but I have to clean my frill bit as I used it to pierce the fried superglue stuck in my bottle. Either that or carefully use a knife. I unglued the other one's arm by pushing too hard wirh the arm actually.

>>49782059
I don't really have time to modify this pic in shitty paint, but those are Legion jokes to their Neophytes. From to to bottom:

Iron Hands
Alpha legion
Night Lords
Space Wolves
Word Bearers (to Argel Tal)
Salamanders
Ultramarines
Raven Guard
Emperor's Children
Death Guard
World Eaters - Exortations of Butchery
Luna Wolves

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>>49782102
Sorta better pic.

>>49782138
>World Eaters
>screaming at their own genitals
Somehow, that works.

>>49782087
>You're reminding me of that screencap of the guy's UM chapter with the battlecry "Take the knot!". I think his chapter was called "The Hanged".
Wtf? Do you have the screencap?
>>49782149
No one could get bored of that pic. The anon with the archive will probably save it. So will I.

>>49782149
How did you get that chipped effect on left pauldron?
Looking to do the same on destroyers.

>>49781636
That's just your opinion.

>>49782203
This exact same colour is Devlan mud, had a bit left on my brush after the basing so I just randomly applied some.
To get a same colour but better effect, just use rhinox hide (the go-to when weathering) with the sponge/foam technique.

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>>49782202
Behold.

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>>49782271
Holy fucking shit. Thanks bro, I needed that laugh.

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>>49782300
Glad to be of service, Anon. Now take this.

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>>49782102
I know I'm phone posting but still check with /wip before you post here, or you'll just get ass ravaged

What does everyone reckon would be a good way of making Ahriman look a little more generic? I've been looking to add some Thousand Sons and start a shattered legion, now seems the perfect time.

>>49782271
>tfw I got the first post
>this is the second time I've been in a screencap
Feelsgoodman.

>>49782314
Swap helmet (isn't that Amon's btw?)
No parchment-scarf

>>49782234
Go ahead, I'll be waiting to laugh at your Egyptian Viking. I'm sure there's something in The Eddas about scarabs, I probably just overlooked it. And hey, ask any archaeologist, ancient Scandinavian art is totally aesthetically similar to ancient Near East!

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>>49782321
I know that feeling.

>>49782325
All the scarabs and Egyptian crap will be cut away. It's the easiest thing in the world.

>>49782324
Nice, a headswap was on the cards but I didn't think about getting rid of the scarf as well.

Might give him a pistol in his outstretched hand as well, and see if I can remove the weird force hood type thing behind his head, as I'm not really liking that.

>>49782059
I need more info on the ICE T quotes.

>>49782337
They huge one on his chest is moulded directly into his armour, as well as his robes, which are nowhere near European in their cut. Not to mention his helm looks like it belongs on the fucking Gate of Ishtar.

Stop being a poorfag pleb and trying to scrape every last possible piece of value for one project out of the newest pleb-box, fuck, if you want yiffs so bad buy a 40k yiff kit and use the bitz from that to turn era appropriate armour marks into your fursuits

>>49782325
>13th warrior

>>49782359
They're edits, but it fits with his character. Read it in his voice.

>>49782379
God I thought all that shit was real.

>>49782394
See? You wouldn't be surprised if it was real. Which probably could improve SVU by 30%.

>>49781117
I hope the dice are stupid proprietary dice that can't be used in the game people are actually buying the fucking box for!

>>49781574
> hold onto my savings!
> Only costs 150 burger tickets
Peasants please go.

>>49782360
The larger problem for any sort of generic-legion-consul-conversion of ahriman is going to be how the torso and arms are set up. It's not cut like a standard multipart torso, it's cut at an angle.

You'd have to totally rebuild the torso, or cut it off entirely and replace it. Probably easier to just sell it off and buy a cheap BaC dude for your conversoins.

>>49782449
but don't you want to play this ACTION PACKED NEW GAME OF BETRAYAL IN AN AGE OF HERESY

>>49782469
Just hate this move by GW. They probably realized the generic character models were too easy to convert (and much fucking cheaper) and made them legion specific to sell more grossly overpriced monoposed character models.

>>49782477
When they released B@C, dudes at my store were literally pulling the dice, cards, rulebook, and cardstock board out and leaving it all of the tables before they left.

>>49782394
....I thought it was real too. I mean, the bit about the teeth was over the top, and the girl being forced to fire herself was funny, but I would have liked it more.
Maybe that's why I like warhammer.
>>49782492
That sounds like the opposite, a bad commercial move. All legions can use BaC characters, but few can use BoP characters without conversion.

>>49782360
>They huge one on his chest is moulded directly into his armour,
Yeah, it's not hard to remove with a blade or a file.

>as well as his robes, which are nowhere near European in their cut.
So?

>Not to mention his helm looks like it belongs on the fucking Gate of Ishtar.
I was not planning on using the helmet at all and the horn things are easily removed because plastic.

>Stop being a poorfag pleb and trying to scrape every last possible piece of value for one project out of the newest pleb-box, fuck, if you want yiffs so bad buy a 40k yiff kit and use the bitz from that to turn era appropriate armour marks into your fursuits
Shareholder, please contain your autism. I'm just doing this because it will be fun and a challenge. Fictional historical accuracy is not important to me.

>>49782492
>and much fucking cheaper
why would they be? They're only cheap because everyone has dupes. Big Bjorn and the Albanian will be similarly inexpensive from people buying lodseboxes for custodes and memes of silence.

They probably just went for legion-specifics because FW's working on those two legions next and GW wants people buying that shit too.

>>49782102
Nice Imperial Fists KnightAnon!

Did world eaters ever use mk3? It arguably looks the best

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>>49782599
Are you for real?

>>49782593
Someone needs to tell the poor sod someday.

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>Almost a quarter of HHG are Alphas in disguise
http://www.strawpoll.me/10558764/r

The fire rises.

>>49782599
Why wouldn't they have? The legions were big enough for most legions to had a large variety of armour marks.

>>49782688
We really shouldn't count the Alpha Legion votes. Doesn't matter it there are honest to the Emperor ALfags, most of those votes are probably memers trying to get the Alpha Legion on top. Also, only 9 votes for the Scars?

>>49782622
This picture gives me life, thanks Al

So my calth and plate metal spray should arrive on Monday rather than Friday as originally planed, but no word on why they split the order as green stuff was in stock.

Anyone else have bad experiences with Elemental Games and their Couriers before

>>49782717
In now five years of playing HH I have never seen a White Scars player. In addition, in around 25 of playing 40k I have met exactly one WS player.

>>49782688
WHERE MY /whitescars/ BROS AT

>>49782816
I think not having legion-specifics aggravates legion absence?

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>>49782816
They're the most elusive thing in the galaxy. But by the Golden Throne/Web of Terra, we will find one, we will study him/her, we will take them to dinner at a classy place at 7:30, we will tag them, and then we will follow them to the other Scars.
>>49782841
Did we just find one?

>>49782816
I've seen plenty of counts-as white scars players.

People are just too pussy to paint white.

>>49782816
Well, until recently, there was little point in playing White Scars. They had very little fluff dedicated to them. Now that Chapter Tactics are a thing, they are fucking awesome.

>>49782517
> That's what I mean. It's a money play. Shit monopose characters, in plastic or resin, are like 30 to 40 a pop.

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Next week boys!
We can see the Custodes and SoS up close, they're bloody gorgeous. And we get proper bolters with mk3 armors. I was afraid we'd get the same as the ones in BaC.

So the Primarchs all represent different parts of the Emperor's (beloved by all) personality, right?

So what are those parts anyway

>put the cataphractii with maximus armor
>put the tartaros with iron armor
this will never stop bothering me

>>49782967
That's just some BL did for a while until they did away with it, and something Horus believed.
>>49782986
Because?

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>>49782967
This

>>49782951
I spotted a plastic thunderhammer in there.

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Sisters

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>>49783062

>Thousand Sons

>>49783062
I thought the Khan was the Emperor's Hunter, not the Emperor's Asian.
In fact, isn't Anatolia is Asia Minor? That means Emps is asian as well.

>>49783117
Nerrrd

>>49783117
/tg/ doesn't understands ethnicities. Some people insists on that only white people exist in the setting and that anyone that looks odd just have some genetical condition.

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>>49783117
A quick Google search says yes, Al.

>>49783089
Nice.

I can't recall, was it Sisters, Custodes or both that FW said wouldn't be full armies, just Agents-of-the-Emperor type Elites?

>>49783146
I'm no Thousand Son. Were Pert and Magnus reeeeally friends? As in, having things in common with someone isn't necessarily grounds to be friends.
>>49783165
In the broad sense of the word, ethnicity is indeed a genetic condition. If your parents were asians, you'll probably be asian as well. It's hereditary, you see.

I love Guilliman

He's what every primarch but Sanguinius should aspire to be

>>49783222
>Perturabo
>Friends

>>49782951
> ahriman sounds fucking sexy

>>49783232
Agreed.
>>Perturabo
>>Friends
That's precisely why I was asking. But I like your answer.

>>49783198
The entire upper-branch forces of the Imperium would be its own army. "Inferno" is intended to have a full "Custodian" army list, including alot of 100% OG terran technology; Swear I recall Bligh saying "Grav Baneblade equivalents".

Wouldnt be surprised to see Custodes themselves in elites, and lesser forms of augmented-guards in troops.

>>49782951
>Ahriman of Tizca
>Ahriman is from Terra

:thinking:

>>49783222
They spent some quality times reading ancient shit together

>>49783288
Wait what?

Who was better at making shit that killed people, Vulkan or Ferrus Manus?

>>49783326

Ferrus did a great job on Fulgrim's blade.

I would say he was ahead of the competition.

>>49783326
Ferrus
No fucking competition
Vulkan was better with making stronger alloys and metallurgy

>>49783326
Probably Ferrus. Vulkan was all about making armour and melee weapons beautifully, less so with just killing dudes.

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urgh they look too much like High Elves for me.

looks like i'll be bare heading the lot of them

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>>49783339
>ahead

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Yup, that's a volkite pistol all right. The space wolf models have plasma though, not volkite as someone wondered earlier.

Also, side-by-side heavy flamer is best heavy flamer.

>>49783117
Jaghatai Khan is obviously supposed to look/be Mongolian with a splash of Chinese/Mogul as well

Anyway, Emperor can take whatever form he wants he's a gestalt of psychic energy. He really isn't any race

>>49783379
have you never seen what custodes look like

>>49783222
Magnus was one of the nicer Primarch's to Pert, basically encouraged him towards his interest in scholarly stuff. Which Pert apparently appreciated since most of the others just saw him as the head of the "build a ditch" legion.

Though saying they were friends may be stretching it a bit.

>>49783379
Custodes have always had those overly fancy heads though.

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HAI GUYS THIS SPACE WOLF HAS A LIGHTNING CLAW HE MUST BE BJORN.

Or possibly Bjald.

>>49783453

That's some sexy battle damage in the lightning claw.

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>>49783453
what's that shit on the pauldron

>>49783222

Magnus and Pert did some digging in ancient Terran ruins.

>During his studies, Perturabo learned of the ancient people known as the Firenzii. Captivated by the history of the past, Perturabo and his brother Magnus of the Thousand Sons Legion spent many months together in search of the buried secrets of Mankind's past glories that had been swept away in the chaos of the Age of Strife, known by Terrans as Old Night. It was the esoteric writings of the world's former masters that most interested him. He cared more for the ancient philosophies of the lost civilisations of Terra than their mechanical wonders, but it was a heady time of exploration for both Primarchs. Perturabo got along well with his brother Magnus, for both Primarchs shared a love of learning, and a hunger to know new things. Perturabo was not a Primarch to whom the natural ebb and flow of friendship came easily. His friendship was not easily achieved, but his loyalty, once won, was as unbreakable as the hardest iron.

>>49783323
Well, I mean, even if he was born on Terra, Tizca is where he truly became who he was.

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Sexy Custodes.

>>49783471
Yeah. In fact they've done a really good job of it all across his armour. Hopefully saint duncan will include it if he does a tutorial video for them.

>>49783089
>hello my new female inquisitor
>swords usable for marines
>mkIII actually done well (from what I've seen, still holding my breath)
I dig it.

>>49783502
Can't wait to see how big custodian terminators are to normal terminators and cataphract

>>49783419
>>49783453
>volkite chargers
>nice looking lightning claws

Argh, why? I could have just waited for this instead of putting all the work into converting a lightning claw for my delegatus and buying recast volkites

Well at least if there's enough chargers it'll make converting some Lernean termies easier

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>>49783502
Hello my new traitor custodes.

>>49783326
>Vulkan = Makes artistic technical creations with no real purpose, just because he can/wants to
>Ferrus Manus = Creates finely crafted weapons
>Perturabo = Produces well-designed but practical technology that can be mass produced.

>>49783562
yeah but

>Vulkan and Ferrus: Cool dudes
>Perturabo: A dork

>>49783498
>>49783222
The problem is that Pert's charaterization is probably the most inconsistent out of all the Primarchs.

The Black Library books and the forgeworld books massively contrast one another in terms of his personality and actions.

Black Library tries to go for a more multidimensional route, so that we can symphatize with him I guess. To give him a proper motive for going traitor.

Forgeworld books on the other hand, makes him basically "I'm heartless for no reason" from day one. With his whole decimation of his own Legion for not living up to expectations.

On this note, I actually kind of go with the BL interpretation more. Considering the guy who wrote the FW stuff is pretty well known for absolutely hating the Iron Warriors.

Stormlord built, Kharn and 5 Red Butchers on the way just ordered 20 mk2 Veteran heads, gonna preorder two Prospero boxes ASAP, looks like my early heresy World Eaters will be done before Christmas, boys.

>Come, dogs of Russ. Illuminations waits for you upon the surface of Prosper!
>All is not yet dust

Magnus did everything wrong
AHRIMAN DID EVERYTHING RIGHT

>>49783419
That's a Volkite charger, not a pistol serpenta. Terminators have the option of swapping their TLbolters for one.

>>49783495
Looks like Grey Hunter pack marks.

>>49783117
Khan is SPESS genghis Khan, so looks very mongorian.
Also probably because of the Americanisation of our God-given language we assume Asian means Chinese and their neighbours, when really Asian means Indian (which is still like 7 distinct ethnicities) Arabian, any semites not exterminated, assyrians, Malaysians and aborigines

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>>49783607
it's just a grey mess on black man

>>49783419
>Tartaros armour with Volkite weaponry

Alright, time to get rid of my Cataphractii World Eaters.

>>49783089
>Ahriman
>fighting sisters of silence
This is the problem with monopose, if you do scenes like this you can't easily explain it
>unless he's reciting the Tempest to them

>>49783598
KA, you're doing good for once.

>mixing MkII and MkIII
That's actually perfectly okay!

>>49783610
>>49783424
As in, >>49782967 asked what Aspect Warrior of the Emperor each Primarch represented.

I only know roles.
Lion was His Knight
Fulgrim was His Excellence
Perturabo was His Ruthlessness
Russ was the Executioner
Khan was the Hunter
The Warhounds (Angron doesn't represent Emps due to the Nails) are His Contempt (only because the Executioner is already taken)
Dorn is His...how is it called when things are one way and no other? Uncompromisingness? Well, that's why he was the Praetorian
Kurze was His Retribution
Sanguinius was...uh, Angel is not a role, Glory doesn't quite go with Furious Charge as a LA.
Horus had His Cunning, etc.

>>49783502
I hope the custodes have extra bits

>>49783596
FW stuff is basically an inquisitorial report.

>>49783165
Yes you'll have minorities in the plebs, but Imperium is SPESS British empire, where a brit was in charge of Ireland, India and Australia. Also isn't there a geneseed organ which makes you look more European

>>49783596
Havent gotten to the BL books yet
What exactly is different about him tho, and what were the motivations?

>>49783198
Custodes= full army
Sisters=agents of imperium
Just like it was meant with their 40kounterparts

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>>49783439
>>49783429
I think its more the head in combo with the shoulderpads. Too much aquila. These on the other hand would be good.

>>49783627
Hey, I didn't paint it.

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>>49783502
Is that an auxiliary flintlock pistol on the Custodian Halberd's shaft?
>>49783498
>Firenzii
Probably they were on what had been Florence, Italy. Malcador has Da Vinci's writings, right?
Damn, Magnus and Perturabo were indeed friends.

>>49783642
The army is gonna probably end up all mk3 but I wanted the veteran helms seen here>>49782622 to differentiate between veteran tacticals and inductii.

>>49783326
>'making shit that killed people'
>pertuabo is not an option
REEEEEE
but actually it's pertuabo, creator of the 'chainshovel' TM/hhg, iron tyrants, domitar ferrum, the tormentor, and the iron cage, lest we forget the butthurt

>>49783379
>too much like high elves
Do you know how we made custodians before forgeworld threw us any bones

>>49783690
I call bullshit - an entire army of custodeS? theyd be WAY too powerful? like mega fucking elite grey knights..

each custodes is like a praetor or better, so 5 guys is like 650+ points

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>>49783747
Beep boop!

>>49783765

I highly doubt they are going to be praetor level.

How?

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>>49783673
To be honest after twenty thousand years of globalization all terrans would be the same shade of light brown

>.>>49783765
More like each dude has something akin to Centurion stats but better, as well as state of the art wargear & vehicles, and Custodian Rules to represent how they are more individual than regular space marines.

They would feel more like Deathwatch than like Grey Knights. Except they'd be ded killy.

Does anyone have any good HH backgrounds? Just got a new laptop and have yet to transfer all my old stuff over.

>>49783832
Doubt it.

>>49781199
how can it be worth it to buy this box just to sell most of it?

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>>49783853
Are you looking for desktop background kewl pics or just that parchment-style look on the HH books?

>>49783944
Either really, just any cool looking backgrounds that are HH themed

>>49783498
Man pertuabo is such an autist, and I say that as an autist
>bonds over the thirst of knowledge
>can't think of any words apart from metal, steel and iron in his shitty fanfic

calling there being rule 34 of pert and Magnus in the ruins
>oh its so stuffy in here, why don't you take off the logos
>OHH Magnus, I've always thirsted for your knowledge
Then Fulgrim walks in because these ruins are the remains of a temple to a sex goddess and he thought he would find a new art here.
Luther and Johnson then teleport away from the corner they were hiding in

>>49783730
negative. its the trigger for the boltgun. similar to the Deathwatch Watch Masters one.

>>49783694
Whose hand is touching the emps right pauldron?
And the one on the left cant possibly be his, its fucking tiny

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>>49783966
http://galaxie-en-flammes.creationforum.net/t433-wallpapers-heresie-d-horus-horus-heresy-mise-en-page-plus-complet
This page has several Neil Roberts' HH covers.
>>49783975
Oh, you're right.
>>49783970
>>can't think of any words apart from metal, steel and iron in his shitty fanfic
Have you ever Ctrl+F'd "Bitter" on an Iron Warriors page? It's to the Iron Warriors what Wolves are to the Fenryka. Maybe not so much as the Overwolf, but it's close.
Their horoscope said their phrase of the century was to be "Corrosive bitterness of Iron" or something like that.

>>49784027
pretty sure they are his hands. I wouldn't consider most 40k pictures to be anatomy-friendly.

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>>49784027
Both are His hands. They could cover Valdor's face completely even when unarmoured. I wouldn't call them "small".

>>49783685
>>49783685
In the battle of phall novel it's
>muh spooky Saturday morning cartoon villain
In Angel Exterminatus it's
>ends justify the means, but those means weren't accepted by those who are not my father
>I swear an oath of allegiance to Horus yet no one else had to wtf Horus

>>49784070
I like her nose.

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>>49783502
HNNNNNNNG

>Emperors Children loyalists and Custodes, together under the Aquilla.

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>>49784074
Primarchs taking their anger on their marines is simply childish.

>>49784126
that pole looks bent

>>49784070
Fair nuff
The odd perspective on his right hand does make it kinda look like someone elses left hand touching him

>>49784126
Damn that'd be one cool force, but you'd have to be really good at painting a few different golds

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>>49784134
>>49784145
Not mine, its from some amazing guy in a painting forum.

>I wish i was less crap.

About the gold: I believe one could try to have the custodes have a mroe coppery solid gold and the children have the lighter one.

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>>49784172

Seriously, that shit was one of the reasons i wanted to start EC.

They are so fancy!

Purple,gold and white are so much more majestic and imperial than any other combination!

>Sorry Sang.

>>49783765
>>49783765
When has fluff ever = crunch
But mainly it's the fault of having a d6 system and not moving on d10 and 8
>>49784134 I love the brown wash he applied to it

>>49784134
So do you desu with you m8

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>>49784189

But deciding stuff is the hardest part, I want to play all the things.

Solar Auxilia seems to be a great middle ground between all the amazing muhreens.

They could be my BFG ship's crew after all.

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>>49784126
>>Emperors Children loyalists and Custodes, together under the Aquilla.
HNNNNG. Loyalists from the Traitor Legions a best. It's only sad EC and DG are the most uncommon of loyalists, given how most of those legions were at Istvaan, and how DG almost always fought as a legion.
I don't know about the Luna Wolves and World Eaters.

>>49783117
>In fact, isn't Anatolia is Asia Minor? That means Emps is asian as well.
Anatolia is Turkey, but the Turks arrived there from the east pretty late (when they took down the Byzantine Empire).

Back in 8000BC, Anatolians were probably pretty white, in between Greeks and Syrians. We don't really know, though. We have more information about language and cultural practices but those can be spread regardless of race (after all, Celtic and Hindi come from the Proto-Indo-European language... which may have spread from Anatolia).

>>49784217
oooo i want to see more of the white armored dude up front

>>49784126
Lovely work anon.

>>49784217
Can we see more of the glorious af dude in white?

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>>49784236
>>49784239
Not mine, from a guy in the bolter and chainsword forums.

I believe the white armoured guy was made from a sanguinary priest mini.

>>49784223

I am really divided between EC or LW, I like both paint schemes a lot, but the new prospero set really pushes me towards Iron Hands ...maybe in one of the variant schemes they had in the latest book.

>>49784223
> It's only sad EC and DG are the most uncommon of loyalists
Word bearers dont have ANY loyalists, since they had a good twenty years to purge them all
Also running them on the table is super hard since the legions strengths come from having daemons and/or lorgar around

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>>49784278
As I said, sadly not mine guys.

Its a guy from Bolter and Chainsword, I just got really inspired by his work.

He is amazing.

As we are talking about white it is really hard to decide between glorious purple, cool IH variant grey schemes or the Lunar Wolves.

The latter just deserve some more presence in games, Horus was such a cool guy before he got fucked by chaos...

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>>49784368
Yeah, it is sad, their colour scheme is also pretty rad.

>Press F to pay your respect.

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>>49784362
Anon, MkIII is the weakest excuse there is. EVERYTHING looks good in MkIII, even if you think it to not be fluffy. That's just a fact of life.
>>49784368
True, I forgot about them too.
>>49784395
>Its a guy from Bolter and Chainsword
He seems to be the EC's Dantioch. Mind indulging in sharing a link or a name?

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>>49784421
yes anon. join us. Al has already converted me and now I'm doing MkIII Eaters. life is better this way.

>>49783763
3rd party not!Custodes minis?

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>>49784455
>>49784421

I agree, MKIII is amazing...BUT I am actually in love with MKII.

I just really like the resemblance to the Lorica Segmentata.

I will still buy the prospero pack and then we will see.

Ican just have a heavy support squad wear MKIII, it makes sense that they get the best protection.

>>49784421
Will try to find him.

>>49784421
Got him, that is his WIP thread, just go some further pages down there, the guy is amazing.

http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/topic/236305-the-sekhmet-hh-emperors-children-thousand-son-141016/

>>49784421
What do you think The Sun Killers were kitted in? MkIV? I go to III as my placeholder heavy weapons squad mark, but taking this into stock, the EC would probably only use MkIII in Zone Mortalis actions where it's most appropriate.

>>49784362
LW means no decals, special units, special bits... you give up a lot. I vote for EC. If you use Mk III for them, a darker purple would look better.

I like the fluff and look of the Ultramarines, but they look like they play so boring. Not to mention what do they even do after Calth? It really feels like the traitors are the ones who get to do everything

>>49784643
I am a casul and would say fuck it and still use reavers etc.

After all I read that story about Horus conquering that "Emperor"'s planet as Luna Wolves, with everything being basically allready organised as he wanted.

I like the idea of one contigent maybe having stayed there and/or hunting pirates and returning to the fray later like our favourite loyalist World Eater.

Its not even that cheesy to go that route, warp travel and long range predation stuff take you far out.

>>49784368
>>49784368
No they have like 2 companies of loyalists lead by traitors, sent into the most extreme war zones

>>49784461
No metal grey knight halberds, high elf spearmen helmets, and something else

>>49784754
>>49784410

Sundered twoer was one of those, terran guys sent in massive attack waves into battle.

f

>>49784799
Yes we should pray for the fallen, but some still live
it's how I'll excuse my WB force in the original colours and mk2 armour

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>>49784564
>I am actually in love with MKII.
That is nice as well.
>>49784595
Thanks m8
>>49784602
Sunkillers were probably kited in MkIII. The pic says Iron pattern was usually reserved for specialized units, and you said a while ago you gave your HSSquads Void Hardened armour. Maybe they'd trade some speed for increased protection, especially when fighting at lascannon range.
ZM maybe means MkIII is worn by even more units, as they are aware people bring flamers to tunner fights.

>>49784651
The traitors have the advantage of being interesting all Heresy long, especially the ones that fall to Chaos and change during the war.

The loyalists each have their big moment (Prospero, Isstvan V, the Shadow Crusade, Terra, Caliban – okay, I guess the IF have two when you count Phall) but only about half of them have featured in FW books so far. And as you say, most of the loyalists spend a few years of the war not doing anything interesting.

I really like that the BL books gave the White Scars an interesting story before their return to Terra. They’re pretty much on their own for the first four years after Prospero and Isstvan trying to delay the traitors on their side of the Ruinstorm, cut off from the DA/UM/BA. They’re at least half-spent by the time they make it out of there.

As for the UM, read Betrayer – the Word Bearers and World Eaters chew through much more of Ultramar than just Calth. Then they fight the Night Lords (those books aren’t so good though). Their journey to Terra might be more interesting than we currently know of. They’ll be a major force coming at the traitors from behind, either reconquering lost territory or destroying traitor reinforcements en route. And they’re going to be the stars of the Scouring. So don’t be afraid to start them.

Their rites of war are weak because their special units are so strong. I’d pick a generic RoW based on your playstyle of choice.

So what do we think of the BoP dedicated thread, have we been posting there, laughing at normies knowing shit all about 30k and trying to run mk8, or just laughing at everything
just like ceograph wanted

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I don't care what anyone says, mkIV will always be my favourite mark. It's sleek, clean, professional and menacing in equal measure.

I should have never bought Cataphractii terminators.

>>49784843
Good choice, debated really long if I should go that route.

Will you go for the Orphans of Betrayal rite of war?

I think that one helps a bit with having no special guys on your own.

>>49784902
After I finished my VFG ships I will hopefulyl be a good enough painter again to finally tackle some Legionaires.

Do you guys use sealing..varnish? Is that the word?

Those transparent protection films you spray over minis at the end?

>>49784942
I just don't like the Mk IV snouts.

>>49784957
>Do you guys use sealing..varnish? Is that the word?
Yeah, varnish or overcoat. Definitely use them.

Back when minis were metal I could only get decent protection by using a gloss coat (better protection) and then matte/flat coat over that to cut the shininess. With plastic or resin you usually don't need to do that - however, decals and some washes work best over a gloss coat, so it's worth considering.

You also want to use a varnish if you use those technical markers for blacklining or drawing details. Some of those markers are great for metallics, too. But they'll rub right off until you coat them.

>>49784941
Id say keep it going for a few more threads
At least untill people get their hands on the box and start posting paint jobs

>>49784961
They're cool as fuck, senpai.

Even before I dove into doing Heresy shit, I tried to have as many snouts on my Black Templars elite units/special weapons guys as possible.

>>49784942
Yeah, it got it all.

>>49784961
I rather like the snouts a lot. It also comes with vertical lines on the snout.

>>49784994
Ok..overcoat then.

I recently painted some escort ships out of metal and noticed paint wanting to abscond allready due to me transporting them.

Can you recommend a brand?

>>49785006
I prefer them to the upturned U scowly face, the "snouts" look more technically advanced and not that stupid.

>>49785049
I haven't noticed a difference between Tamiya and Testor's, which are the two that are common around here (both meant for scale modeling). Read up on proper procedure to warm up the cans and be careful with humidity.

Washing metal figures with soap before undercoating also helps with the chipping, but only a little.

What's the point of the 'orphans of betrayal' and 'outcast sons' saying that all RoW can be taken by all legions and all sides, if they then go on to say it can only be taken by certain legions. Or can I just not into grammar

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>tfw your shitty Cataphractii are almost singlehandedly paying for your BoP box

>>49785001
>everything needs a general
Nah, just make a thread when news or leaks actually appear. We don't need to fill up /tg/ with even more GW threads just for containment purposes.

>>49784942
IV > III > II > VI > V > VII > I > VIII

>>49785081
What the fuck

>>49785099
I started the bidding at 3 bucks.

I don't know what the fuck happened.

>>49785107
some frugal oil sheik wants to try his hand at the legion that most adequately mirrors his own religions I bet

>>49785081
IS that the auction price has been raised, or you started it that high because you're basically a scalper

>>49785127
18 bids, so its not his fault.

Going to buy another Calth today and two BoP on release

What loyalist legion should I do?

Im trying to decide between Dark or Blood Angels

>>49785158
I dislike black, so the choice would be eay to me.

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>>49785127
Like I said here >>49785107

I'm just as horrified as you, believe me. I mean, look at the damned description for these things.

>>49785158
Blood angels are sick, do those.

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>>49785098
>IV > III

>>49785126
No he'd pick Emperor's children
for that sweet baca bazi

>>49785158
Which one do you think is cooler and which one would you enjoy painting more?

>>49785191
Than he would be a Pashe though, rightß

That stuff being afghan tradition.

>>49785170
>>49785190
All great scientists experiment so there's nothing wrong with that , as long as you dispose of the test subject and cremate it

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*missile launchers intensify*

>>49785386
>grave wardens
muh
Derek
boxnaught is also cool

>>49785386
All hail Boxnaught!

Was on of the first minis I bought, that plastic Boxnaught.

Loved it.

>>49785386
Is that a havoc launcher on the underside, why not just use the chaos kit one

>>49785457
It's contemptor cyclone launcher. The chaos one is too big for my taste. Plus I like to keep the top of the dread clean.

>>49785386
My sail lawnchairs?

is there a tier list for legion specific terminators?

>>49785555
Justaerin> ALL

>>49785081
As another anon said, what the fuck.
I would pay LESS than retail price for that, not MORE.

>>49784994
Aside from pricing, is puriry seal any good?
If its utter trash whats a good one to get in uk?

>>49785614
I've never had good experience with GW brands, I don't know what's available in the UK but Krylon gloss varnish works fine for me.

>>49785555
Aesthetically? Red Butchers > ALL

>>49785555
Sallies all have amazing shields...and maybe EW as well as two wounds and thunderhammers?

I dont remember.

>>49785640
Thanks!

>>49785587
>:You did WHAT, Billy?"

>>49785069
Oh, thank you!

Will read up on that and try to get on brand.

Who the fuck is Gregory Fell-hand????

>>49784235
Unlikely. The PIE lexicon doesn't match what we have excavated of life in anatolia at that time. Besides, the Proto-Indo-Europeans weren't really white.
The Hittite texts record Hurrian and other groups being in the area, so they might be indegionous, but who knows.

>>49785555
>>49785555
God emperor tier
Anything with a storm shield, deathshroud, gorgons

You're pretty good tier
Tyrants, phoenix guard, justaerin,

Meh tier
Deathshroud

Heresy tier
Learnian

>>49783089

Oh man, just when I was wondering how I'd do Terran Greatswords. Just kidding, they're horrible. Why couldn't we have gotten the Flammbard that the Nemean Reaver has?

I hope I won't have to chop the sisters up too much, they'd be good fodder for Imperial Militia commanders or Canonesses if the tease about plastic sisters isn't just a snipe.

>>49783502
>godwyn/ultima
>best bolter
>for the emperor's finest

>>49785773
Gorgons are god-tier?

Please elaborate, did I miss them being buffed?

>>49785798
>Not using Phobos pattern with bigger calibre for muh stopping power and chain bayonet.

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Why no love for MK.V armor?
Every other armor gets love but this one

>>49785800
Nah, its just theyre so cheap compaired to a vanillia squad with the same getup, also they have a bunch of great rules in addition

Also fulmentarri are your pretty good tier

>>49783419
>plastic volkite

Well, one less reason to give FW my money for their resin crack/p.

>>49785786
>Terran Greatswords.
Any pics on what those look like? I inagine them having jagged edges for some reason.

>>49784643
I play LW, the problem with all the SoH units is that they are heavily decked out in cthonian runes and eyes of horus, all iconography that is ill suited to a loyalist force that takes place in the later part of the heresy - me myself play a force set around the time period after ullanor and before they turned into SoH. aka Loyalist Horus.

When is the soonest we can expect a Lion model?

>>49785822
Its cool, but mostly on Alphas and fluffy armies.

I prefer my space sharks with it as well.

>>49785827
Makes sense,thanks!

I still dream of an IH army around Orth in a Mastodon.
Gorgons would fit well in there.

>>49785821
>converting inferior bolter to fire superior cartridge when superior bolter for superior cartridge exists

Feels good to have chosen the Godwyn/Ultima as my legion's bolter of choice. .75 caliber best caliber.

>>49785886
Good choice.

>>49785918
What makes it fluffy for AL? Don't mistake my directness as a challenge, I just want my army as fluffy as possible and had been satisfied using as much MkIV as a could for that effect. If I can get even more verisimilitude by adding some variety I'd love to.

>>49785822
MkII doesn't have plastic model yet.

>>49785921
Phobos was the biggest calibre I thought, being handed out at the start of the great crusade.

Please explain.

>>49785913
2018 probably

>>49785768
I love the kind of info you can get in a place like this. Thanks.

I only know there's a theory of PIE coming out of Anatolia, hadn't heard the arguments for or against.

>>49785934
thanks, it was the only way I could salvage the cruel mistress that is my love for MKIV, LW, and the big man himself.

>>49785951
I think it fits their adaptibility and might be used to represent long missions far far in front of the crusade or manual tinkering/repairs in the field that would turn it into non production MKV.

If one legion is unorthodox ala vietnam GI/spy, its the alphas.

>>49785822
night lords look damn fine in mk V.

>>49786025
You could post some pictures if you want.

I would be rather happy.

>>49785951
I don't see it being particularly fluffy for AL. I mean, they would have some, but they were one of the better legions at keeping themselves well-equipped.

World Eaters are the most classic Mk V legion.

>>49786036
Oh yeah, I remember the NL anons showing up their pale, black eyed murder boys.

They looked amazing.
Made them look even more brutal.

>>49783502
He's a big guy.

What units can even take grenade launchers?

Im trying to figure out what the special dangel grenades are even useful for

>>49785822
It's my favourite armour, my White Scars army is made up almost entirely of it, with the exception of my praetor and his jetbike boys being MK4

>>49786050
Even the Alpha Legion will have to work on a budget sometimes. All legions(except maybe) the SoHs did. But their budget died after Horus became full of Chaos power, and the corruption sunk into the Vengeful Spirit, and the budget room was eaten by a mass of tentacles. Or Horus after hearing bad news. That's the difference between Horus and Pert. One will eat a part of his ship, while the other abuses his kids.

>>49786096
You can take combi-grenade launchers on anything that can take a combi weapon, but thats it I believe

>>49786096
Combi grenade launchers?

>>49786115
>>49786133
Didnt even know that was an option

I guess its useful since it doesnt even need to wound, just hit. Stick them on your sergeants for a one time advantage in combat

>>49785773
>Deathshroud
>Meh tier
>Worse than Phoenix
Pfffffft Deathshroud fuck up anything with only one wound. Must I remind you they can Sir Look Out wounds off each other due to being Characters?

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I may finally be getting sucked into starting up a 30K army now that there will be a few others in my group making the plunge. So I have a few general questions:

What's the common point range?
Related: At what level can I feel okay about including Mortarion? I don't want to let this lovely model go un-used.

As a long time Nurgle CSM player, I want to go with the Death Guard. As such, I'd like to run a couple of massive Tactical Squads. Is this going to work out for me and what might be the best way to back them up?

>>49786169
You can take combi-volkite chargers as well which is pretty cool

The stasis grenades really shine when you stick them with a unit of vets all with combi weapons and have them follow your big nasty CC unit around stasis-ing any other big nasty cc units.

>>49786096
Death Guard Grave Wardens have nade launchers, blackshield squads can take them as well.

>>49786096
Anyone who can take a combi-weapon.

>>49786182
2,500 is the base line. 3k is comfy for shinies like primarchs. Especially ones that need a retinue/delivery vehicle.

DG do tac blobs well. Add apothecaries and rad grenades.