/srg/ - Shadowrun General

>>49756401
>Old-School Edition
Who else has the hots for Maria Mercurial?

Reposting because the last thread died:

How is the cue system? Lately I've gotten more into games where character background is either selected from pre-made packages or just a series of words/phrases.

I'm also interested in the semi-GM nature of the system but I don't really understand it. From what I read the GM seems to just sit and referee while the players do what the GM usually does.

>>49756776
Most of Anarchy's page count is pregren character examples and some setting info, so don't listen to the anon that says it's GIGANTIC. It's a long read for a rules-light game, but only by a little, if you don't compare it to ones that come in a single page.

The cue system is a bit unreliable, mostly because not everyone is in the right mindset to play the kind of game Anarchy is. Everyone has to be aware of how it works, and players should remind each other.

The GM thing is just as you say, though obviously they still get to set the scene, introduce NPCs and play the antagonists. What the players get is a bunch of buttons that insert challenge into a situation. They work well so the bruisers, sammies and bunnies can have something to do at all times.

Optional rules can take these powers away, but I think that's mostly there to appease people who won't give it a chance.

>>49756401
Oh great 3e fag edition.

>>49757836
>3e fag
nope, not him
stumbled onto the OP Pic in my collection and made a thread about her
Recognize her? Hint: Read the filenames

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Putting together a shadowrun campaign.

I'm fine with the rules but I can't for the life of me work out how to describe the matrix or even know what peoples options are while in the matrix.

I've read the book, I need something else I can read/watch.

Is there a resource that can help me with this?

>>49758137
Tron? That scene in the Matrix where Neo sees the code?

Mechanically, what's the best datajack for an Adept?

>>49758219
Trodes?

>>49758219
None? You usually don't want to lose essence as an adept.

>>49758137
Anarchy's matrix rules are a lot smaller, you might be able to frankenstein it.

As for what the matrix IS, it depends on if its AR or VR.

In AR its just our world with a fps hub on it, little pop ups here and there and a quest marker to let you know the best path to take that shit you've been holding in.

In VR it looks like whatever YOU want usually, in the same way you can customize what your web browser or desktop look like.

Until you get to specific nodes where its based on what that person wants it to look like. For instance jackpoint looks like the matrix in the video games, however Dante's Inferno looks like the nightclub itself. Complete with sleezy succubus waitress.

>>49758262
Or at least get a full point of essence to use it more efficiently

>>49758291
I'm suprised a essenceless datajack hasn't been developed yet, the things are so common youd assume you'll have some big brand name ones.

>>49758343
>essenceless datajack
they exist
see >>49758259

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>>49758280
Had to look up a few of those things but this is helping. From what I understand, AR is a projection onto reality.

VR still goes over my head. I'll give Anarchy a read and see if that's more compatible with my head chip.

>>49758259
>>49758378
Don't trodes have a bad habit of getting knocked off?

>>49758525
Wear a helmet.

>>49758458
VR is virtual reality. You saw grounded vindaloop? Its like that.

>>49758525
Depends on how you use them
If you use the trode paste then I guess that it may shift, though probably not much
If you use normal trodes on their own then yeah, if you don't put them on tight they could fall off
If you follow >>49758569 and put them in your clothes, whether in a hat/helmet or in some other piece then you have to take the piece of clothing off to lose contact

>>49757295
>don't listen to the anon that says it's GIGANTIC
>It's a long read for a rules-light game
>don't compare it to ones that come in a single page (because it's inconvenient for me)

fuck off

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Two questions. One, for relatively high level runners how willing are you to have their choices impact the actual state of the setting?

Two, have you ever done a run in space/involving space?

I ask because I'm wanting to do a run involving stealing data about Mars or an artifact from there.

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>>49759706
Actually, follow up question. Is there any reason for the covering up of the Fourth World at this point? I know early on it may have caused a bit of a stir but by the late 2060s I imagine most people have come to terms with magic. The Immortal Elves are more or less public, dragons are accepted, and you have shit like the shedim and insect spirits popping up.

Who's interests would it be in to cover up discoveries on Mars or Earth?

>>49759802
>The Immortal Elves are more or less public
??
since when?

>>49759845
Ah, you're right they're not public. I just assumed for a second that because Harlequin posts on Shadowlands and Ehran runs a legitimate institution their true natures were out there to the public.

Still, it actually strikes me as even stranger then that they are hiding/not disclosing it to the wider public. What do they have to gain? What do they have to lose?

>>49759877
Besides proving humanis right about the elvinatti?

>>49759802
The cult of the smoking mirror wants to bring about the end of the world, so there's might be some bit of knowledge they want to keep hidden so they can continue with their plans. The Black Lodge might do something similar, especially if the immortal humans are at the top

It would be more about hiding details, rather than pretending it never happened.

>>49759877
Most likely trying to prevent a panic

Also: AFAIR they are not hiding the whole fourth World, that'd be stupid
they are hiding some aspects, like their nature, the whole power of dragons
and of course the Horrors/Enemy
while in secret looking to guide Metahumanity towards a path, in which we will be able to stand against the horrors

>>49759888
KEK WILLS IT

>>49759916
>Immortal humans

Hey who what now?

>>49759888
At this point, what are they gonna do? Hell, it might even destroy Humanis. How do you fight for human superiority knowing your enemies are actually all they're cracked up to be?

>>49759927
Fair enough.

In any case, more focused on Mars. Is there any information out there about how magic works there?

>>49759916
>cult of the smoking mirror

I just knew it would have something to do with cancersticks

>>49760013
>how magic works there?
it doesn't, just like in space
except for the EVO lab since they most likely have enough plants for a makeshift manasphere

>>49760052
I mean, they found a bunch of pyramids and a dragon skeleton. So it must have worked there at some point right? Unless science is totally wacky in Shadowrun and Mars used to be habitable much more recently, that point would be hundreds of millions of years ago. So how did the pyramids get built?

Unless, of course, the first world was dinosaurs and they did it.

>>49760094

Dragons probably making slave races and shit.

>>49760013
Humanis is based on FEAR not superiority, just like every other hate group.

Nazis didn't ban together against jews because they thought jews were powerless weaklings, they thought they were genius masterminds who puppeted the world.

And the last thing the immortals need is Azzies doing to them what they did to Sirrug.

>>49760094
I thought it was a >>>>>>"dragon" skeleton?

Ephedrine canisters.

>>49760189
k

>>49760153
"Something that appears draconic" is the how I read it described. Those pictures are pre-Sixth World though.

Hence why dinosaur people might actually be a legitimate guess.

>>49760094
>it must have worked there at some point right?
most likely

>>49756401
didn't see there was a new thread, so I asked a question in another shadowrun thread.

Are there stats for mortars in any of the splats for 5e?

>>49760208
It's absence of life that makes magic stop working, so if some point in the past Mars was inhabited presumably would have had the same or a similar mana cycle to earth. So maybe it's dead because the horrors ate it.

>>49760454
There isn't any mention of Mars colonies in Earthdawn. Must have been Second World.

>>49756401
So are teargas grenades in common use? They seem cheaper and better then flashbangs. Though I guess a mix of the two also works pretty well.

Also, are there any more kinds of grenades then the ones in the core rule book?

>>49760709
Run and Gun got a whole section on explosives.

How is that new rule-light rulebook working out?

>>49762218
Read the thread and the end of the last one. Not too great. Couple of people kinda like it, most aren't so enthusiastic.

>>49762243
>>49762218
Honestly, if you regularly came to /srg/, you weren't the intended audience for it.

Because you'd either been through a few editions or had worked with other heavy systems.

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>>49760709
Depends on what you want to use them for and who you're fighting. Keep in mind that tear-gas only takes effect at the end of the combat turn, so tossing it at the start of a round will not necessarily stop the street sam from butchering your guys.

Generally grenades and explosives are best applied as a solution to a specific problem rather than forming a core part of your toolkit.
>>49762271
Mmmm, Reddit's all over in love with it.

>>49762334
That does not surprise me in the least.

I just know that I don't really have a use or want for it, so I haven't looked at it enough to form a good opinion.

In addition to that, I'm trying to forget some system I'm not using in favor of Spellbound Kingdoms. Hopefully Forge.

>>49762334
>Mmmm, Reddit's all over in love with it.

Of course they fucking are.

>>49762334
>Pic
God that a surreal thing to see in the news. As if Seattle wasn't already a good setting for Shadowrun.

>>49762413
That pic honestly makes me wonder what the SR version of COPS is like.

https://youtu.be/Dy4YFDSDW4w

Like who out of that lineup changes metatypes, and to what?

>>49756401

I'm going to run a modified run of that London Calling run where the politician is a ghoul. Basically the whole underground complex will be deeper and there'll be a lot more ghouls attacking the party. My question is:

I have two heavily kitted out melee characters, what with lots of armor and big ass troll sized swords. How do I make ghouls a threat to them? I know if a mob gangs up on them, its a cumulative -1 defense for every attacker hitting the player, but with their 20+ armor dice they should have no problem withstanding STR+1+net hits. How do I make a mob of generic ghouls dangerous to them while keeping the encounter balanced for the rest of the players?

For my social adept I have enough points to get an improved (social) ability, what skill should I get it for, negotiation, con or etiquette?

>>49762497
Dont ghouls spit acid, that can corrode armor?

>>49762518
What do you want to do with the character? That one.

>>49762518
Alternatively, put those actual points elsewhere and get a few mid-to-high rank Qi foci and switch as needed.

>>49762526
No.

>>49762573
Well let them. Gaichu could.

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/srg/ I need some help. I'm looking for a webm of a flexing female MMA fighter. She's got a cute smile and shit. I think it got posted here a while back with the file name something to the tune of "female elf adept". Can anyone help a brother out?

>>49762942
have you tried muscle girl fetish threads?

>>49762942
Samantha Wright?

>>49762974
No, I thought I would check here first because I saw it here.

I'm also using it as a character ref. I just want the physique of the fighter. Ironically, for a female elf adept.

>>49762983
No, she had long brown hair I think. And was a proper mixed martial artist. I think the webm was from a weigh in.

Oh well. I'm really just looking for female martial artist physiques for a reference image. Another will do.

>>49762497
have some have grafted bioware claws onto them, ups the AP significantly to -3.

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>>49763006
Try searching for Gina Carano. Sounds like she fits the bill.

I read that the third and second editions are only revisions on first edition. If I wanted to play through the old material, what would be the essential books to buy? What are your favorite published Shadowrun missions?

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>>49763006
I've got this. maybe it will help?

/srg/, I need info on otaku for a character I might create for a friend's game. Is there any info you might be able to give, or suggests of where to look beyond 2e's BRB and its matrix book? Maybe the novels that have good info as well?

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>>49756401
>>49756410

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>>49764465

I forgot someone.

>>49763988
1- Old dude in the back totally checking the ass of the woman on the right

2- When two guys do a close-up staring contest like that I think "awrite, looks like we have a fight on our hands!" When two gals do it I think "awrite, looks like we have a make-out session on our hands!"

What? Girl-on-girl is still hot and you know it.

You ever hate when a plan goes wrong so you just smash a car into the lobby of a place and gun down all the guards?

Because that is how my last run went and it worked surprisingly well. In and out in 45 seconds and we lost the cops quick.

>>49765024

As a dedicated Enforcer Street Sam that's the only time I get to really do something, so no, I actually love it.

>>49765024
But did you erase forensic/trideo evidence? Bullets and the like might not provide much in the way of physical clues (cleaning the barrels changes the rifling significantly-enough to make that kind of identification impossible), but magic can still trace you easily. Best to turn this in discretely through a third-party that you trust and burn your SINs (you might have to include your the comlinks) you were using if the place was a serious location (they had actual security or were guarding something valuable).

>>49765044
They did not have actual security and they had no idea it was us.

I killed the floor manager because he banned me from his casino.

Yes I erased trids evidence.

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>>49758458
AR is Augmented Reality. It's Google Glass basically. You can look up a ton of real world prototypes for that stuff already.

VR is you replacing the data input from your eyes and ears and everything with the input from your Direct Neural Interface (DNI), provided by Datajacks or Trodes.
It means completly switching off the real world and submersing yourself into a dream like state where you are literally inside the matrix. There's a bunch of descriptions of the general Hubs in the little story blurbs spread out through the books. Check out Datatrail for some more focused narrative. But the general idea is like this:
You enter a "grid". A grid is unique to your internet service provider. Classically there's the public grid, provided by your city. It's free and it's shit. It's typically designed by the web designers to look like the city itself with some artistic freedom mixed in.
Then there's the grid of each of the megas. Which design themselves to fit corp policy. This is where millions of corp cititzens log into the web on a daily basis, so it's all about R&R, and providing a stable and productive environment.
You can switch grids on the fly. Technically you're only allowed to enter grids you are subscribed to, but hackers don't bother with such small details. You can see all the different grids from wherever you are. In one story they're described as sitting "on the horizon" and being represented by the different mega's logos. Except fully animated and really shiny.

That's the "ground level" of VR. The "streets and buildings" that represent services and locations in the web as offered by the grid you are in currently. But why would you limit yourself to 2d if gravity is optional?

In the sky there fly the "hosts". Grid independent servers owned by whoever deals out some money for it. Anyone and their grandmother can own a host if they want to. These dot the sky of the virtual world, and they too look like whatever the owners feel like at the moment.

>>49765073
As long as you had a mage cast cleanse, used a grenade that cleans the area, and/or didn't leave anything directly connected to you, you should be fine, then.

Be cautious just in case, but you did a decent job.

>>49765126
We used a few grenades and the only people shooting were the ones with the HMG.

Surprisingly for ramming a casino in the middle of the day, nobody died.

...no civilians died.

I was ojou laughing because Thier stock prices tanked.

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>>49765104 (cont.)

A host can look like virtually anything. Why not have your chick coctail club be a flying cocktail in the sky, with a neon banner circling it like the rings of Saturn advertising the latest special. All you have to do to enter is "reach out and touch it" and easy as that, the host authorises you to enter and you're suddenly in a fancy bar, with some nice jazz playing and a virtual bartender asking you what sort of cocktail you'd like to pretend you're drinking. Your brain can't tell the different anyways.

With me so far? That's the basic idea. But the user can customise things to their liking. You are a shaman and hate the concrete jungle that represents your public grid? No worries, you can install a custom theme and now all the buildings that represent different local shops and city services are displayed as massive trees to you, and you can swing through a real jungle like Tarzan.
VR is designed by professionals, and customised by the user. Like anything virtual. Your phone or your desktop. And as GM, you're the web designer.

>>49765164
So, yet again, Chummer, be careful. Killing a profitable business earns enemies (and a bunch of employee deaths is the reason why SnS was the preferred ammo type in 4e, not ignoring it's relative power and decent cost). You cleaned out the evidence and the like, which was fairly smart, but someone might still look.

>>49762413
Wait, what's the actual context?

>>49765441
Nothing special; gun buy-back in Seattle back in 2013. Those gold squares indicate it's a training device.

TECHNICALLY it's illegal to own as it's military property, but since they're single-use and can't be re-used it's more or less a no-harm, no-foul thing.

>>49762584
Well yeah, Gaichu's a nip
they all can do that

>>49765667

Can confirm, fucking Jap did it to me yesterday on the bus. We either nuked them too much or not enough.

>>49765288
To be fair, the guy banned one of my sins from all the casinos in the area, so I had to act fast. Which do you file on a Black Day - your sudden stockholders fleeing, or the bans you have to hand out?

That was my sole motivation for going along with it.

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Trogs- I- I mean chummers, I need help.

What are some good (decent? tolerable?) shadowrun and/or cyberpunk roleplay "shows"?

I got the itch bad, and I watched everything even remotely cyberpunk-related on imdb

>>49760013
>Immortal humans
>Hey who what now?

A Spirit Pact that entwines your Essence with that of the spirit and prevents ageing.

You just have to make sure your bond doesn't die since they'll drag you down with them, but hey... An "immortal" elf still dies from sudden lead poisoning like the rest of the vulgum pecus as well.

To use the grenade launcher on an alpha you need to use heavy weapons right?

>>49765846
Black Lagoon is Shadowrun without the cyber, and double the punk.

>>49766343
Nigga, I watched everything, that's why I'm asking for videos of people RP'ing a la Mirroshades

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>>49766343
>Black Lagoon
Aww fuck yeah, Chang is best character.

>>49760013
>>Immortal humans
Same thing as immortal elves, except a dragon did it to humans. Possibly. It's earthdawn stuff.

>>49766389
Chang is just a John Wu character who got lost and wound up in the wrong series.

>>49766389
that's just because he's inspector tequila

>>49766483

Yeah he's pretty much just a Chow Yun Fat character with the honor shaven off but I still think he's great.

>>49766384
From reddit. I dont remember which hub. I'm in there too probably somewhere.
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCKDRfgjt0eJddvOvmIOLx9w

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>>49766500
Honor is a fools master

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>>49760371
No, but it wouldn't be hard to do. There's already rules for grenade launchers and scatter, just up the range a bit and make an Exotic Ranged (Mortar) skill.

>>49766812
I think mortars would be better off just using gunnery. It's a niche weapon to begin with, even ignoring the skillset required. Plus, with the exception of trench mortars, most mortars are large enough that you're better off riveting them to a vehicle anyway.

>>49766812
>Exotic
You mean Heavy Weapons.

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>>49766911
No, I meant Exotic. A mortar is a very different weapon than a machine gun, a flamethrower, or even a grenade launcher, with different skills needed.

>>49766842
Gunnery is only used for mounted weapons. If trench mortars are going to be in the game, they need another skill.

>>49766943
No, anon. If trench mortars are going to be in YOUR game, they need another skill.

If they're going to be in the game of anyone competent, then they need Heavy Weapons, because that's what they are, and what they fit under, for simplicity sake.

>>49766943
>A mortar is a very different weapon than a machine gun, a flamethrower, or even a grenade launcher
And? Grenade launchers and machine guns are also very different weapons.
>gunnery
And? If you make mortars require an exotic skill, than the end result will be runners going full IRA, stealing cars and bolting mortars to them so they have an excuse to use gunnery.
>>49766911
>>49767052
True, that'd work I guess.

>>49765104
How do I search in Matrix for service or host I need? I know that some of the places located in the same place as their meatspace counterpart, but sometimes, they don't.
Some hosts are floating in the sky chaotically, how can I find the one I need, to buy a car, for example?
And if I need a rare and exotic thing, which I can only buy in China, not in Seattle? How will I find the thing I need, and how fast I will be "transported" here in-Matrix? Considering there are distance and location factors in Matrix (noise, signal reduction, ping, etc.).

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I would say that traditional crew served mortars use gunnery due to being much different in usage than grenade launchers or other heavy weapons. Their weight (55kg+) and being made from few different parts is too unhandly to be used alone, but as we are in future there is modern solutions that can be used.

>60mm Light Mortar
Can be carried by one strong enough guy by either hand or by bagpack. It is light enough to not need proper bracing thanks to composites. Can be either fired manually with heavy weapons. Range would be 0m-500m

>81mm+ Mortars
They either require multi man crew or they are fixed to drone or vehicle. Due to their different way of usage they require gunnery. Range is 50m-7km+

Botg of these require somebody to manually load them, but heavier breechloading mortars could truly be automatic. Though breechloaders would automatically be either on wheels or bolted on drone/vehicle.

These advanced mortars would work pretty easily thanks to SRs location finding and other things. Rigger could just point at target with his smart gun and issue command to the automatic mortar which could fire for effect.

If questions please ask.

t. mortarperson

>>49767347
Also USA has developed a mortar system for their firebases. It weights a lot, but it only requires one guy who can use it.

It automatically receives forwarded fire missions and with push of a button automatically swings into right direction. The crew member then just loads and fires the mortar.

I can see that being the technology of the the SR future with drones and vehicles carrying them around.

>>49767347
>>81mm+ Mortars
>They either require multi man crew
Curious and ignorant here. What do the various people who operate a mortar do?

>>49767460
See this vid
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dPIHImp_vP4

>Mortar Leader
NCO who commands the crew and directs what is happening
>Sight guy
He sights the mortar with correct firing solution. Carries the bipod.
>Assistant Sight guy
He assists on sighting. Carries the tube.
>Loader
Loader carries to base plate and loads the mortar
>Ammo carriers
Poor sods who carry the ammo around.

Sorry for shitty translations of different tasks, but practically this is what they do in a nutshell.

>>49767603
Thanks!

>>49762497
>20+ armor dice
20 armor and 4 body averages to soaking 8 points of damage. Not only can Ghouls have freakishly high Strength (especially if they're ghouled orks, for example), half the time they're going to roll BELOW, rather than ABOVE average.

Two or three unlucky hits and they're going to be seriously fucked.

All of that armor is a huge advantage, but not one that makes a bigass pack of ghouls some kind of irrelevant nuisance rather than a serious threat.

Is there anything interesting about Shiawase other than that it's the origin of extraterritoriality? It feels like it would be better served by some other corporation being in its slot. Some serious Indian or arab corp.

>>49768330
sub·jec·tive
səbˈjektiv/Submit
adjective
1.
based on or influenced by personal feelings, tastes, or opinions.
"his views are highly subjective"
synonyms: personal, individual, emotional, instinctive, intuitive
"a subjective analysis"

>>49768524
??
Wrong thread/post chummer?

>>49768556
>he cannot into context

>>49768524
Obviously it's subjective. I'm looking for other people's subjective opinions on what makes Shiawase interesting. Like, at all. I can't recall any fluff at all where it's been relevant, honestly.

>>49768330
For India following corps of today might be there,but with different names.
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tata_Group
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hindustan_Aeronautics_Limited
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aditya_Birla_Group
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_Oil_Corporation

For Arabs the wiki gives some companies
>http://shadowrun.wikia.com/wiki/Arabia

>>49768556
Nah hes saying Shiiawase is interesting and the person's "oh shiwase more like snoreawse" is really there thing.

Shiawase is, more then any other nation, the men behind the curtain. Shiawase is the oldest mega in existence, and it has the most tricks as well as being THE bioware people, not evo.

They are also the men behind the curtain, Shiwase plays circles around the other corps, and lets them make buld r&d developments and simply choose to steal those and make better versions of their own ware.

Shiawase are also the only corp thats TRUELY religious, and are deeply entrenched in shinto lore.

They chase profits not headlines, they are one of the most powerful groups in the world and yet have managed to avoid needing groups like Red Samurai or Drake Prime to supplement them.

Shiawase: Advancing Life.

>>49768639
That's because Shiawase was a bigger player in older editions. I don't keep up on newer editions, but seeing how little I see them mentioned, they've likely fallen to the EVO/Horizon favoritism.
In for example 3e, they were the quintessential polite but dodgy megacorp - impeccably polite and businesslike on the outside, but when they need shadowrunners, you know that something's wrong. They had a lot of internal politics and philosophical goals going on, and next to no moral backbone - they were ceremony and fairness over moral fabric, because they were the biggest and they knew it. When something required shadowrunners for them to do it, it was going to be dirty and unpleasant.
It's not like there's an official ranking, but on the list of 3e corps you'd least want to run for (but who pay correspondingly), we have Aztechnology, Shiawase and then Saeder-Krupp.

>>49768683
Shiawase lifer pls go.

But seriously you are right. They are the top Megacorp there is. They don't have to flex their muscles or try to look special. They are Shiawase. The name itself has the power.

Is there a quality for clappiburger-tier obesity? I dont remember if the Infirm quality covers it.

I want to make a clapistani adept who's in the shadows to lose some weight.

In the event I'd have to house rule it, what do you think it should be like? -2 physical limit, -2 to running and physical endurance tests, 2 to knockdown tests, 1 armour, 2 nonconductivity, 150 kg weight minimum, +15% lifestyle costs, +5 karma?

>>49768899
Fuck Qualities, just have it reflected in their attributes. Fuckall Agility and Body.

>>49768899
Metagenetic Negative - Adiposis
But like other guy said, just drop your scores and roleplay it.

>>49768899
>Is there a quality for clappiburger-tier obesity?
>Is there a quality for being weak as fuck skinnyfat?
>Is there a quality for being fucking retarded?
>Is there a quality for autism?
It's called 'drop the relevant attributes to 1.'

>>49768899
Now I have the image of obese Elf rigger that uses a minigun armed death drone as his mobility scooter.

>>49768959
I was aiming for fat, but not helpless. This is something I plan on playing, albeit as a joke. Also a phys adept would be pretty useless without at least some utility.


It's magic, do I have to explain shit?

>>49769002
"Despite my hilarious obesity, I'm still in good cardiovascular shape. My Agility would be 6, rather than its current 5, if I lost all this weight, probably."

That's the closest you'll get to having your cake and eating it too.

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>>49768999

>>49768899
Wait ADEPT? So their supernaturally skilled yet fat as shit?

>>49768738
While they aren't the top (Thats mct) it says a lot they went up 3 places without doing ANYTHING (as far as you know). They also are supposed to have the greatest spy network, not Horizon, not Renraku.

Renraku owns most of the data japan has, and Horizon has the chops the make you believe whatever they want to, but Shiwase knows.

It's like Baskin Robbins. They always find out.

They are nicer to fun for however at the moment. They are all about family and ceremony but MCT has become the group that steals your pinkies for failing them.

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>>49768999

>>49769072
>Mitshuhama
>the top
ultimate kek

>3rd largest mega
>2nd largest Japanacorp

Shiawase is the largest Japanacorp. Yet, somehow, despite being bigger than Mitsuhama, they're the 8th largest mega. CGL cannot into basic arithmetic or logic.

>>49769100
Shiawase is the OLDEST, not largest. Its actually the smallest right now.

Shiawase is the 5th largest in the world (The rankings got updated after various new stuff like Sirrug getting taken down), Renraku is 3rd and MCT currently is bigger then the Dragon.

Which Lofwyr is NOT a happy camper about.

The thing about shadowruns corps are they in flux. People rise and fall (mostly neonet) some of the biggest corps in the world have been either bought out by others or even lost Extraterritoriality like CaTO.

>>49769181
http://shadowrun.wikia.com/wiki/Shiawase_Corporation

I assume this page isn't up to date, then? Where's a good place to find current information?

What suite of negative qualities would i need to take for a character who believes elves are a myth/conspiracy?

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>>49756401

First time playing shadowrun (not first time playing a PnP RPG)

we are using 4e

We have 350BP

I'm trying to build a combination wheelman and street samurai or tank. How possible is this?

I've posted what's on my character sheet in the pic.


Story wise they were a member of a now defunct gang where they served as a wheelman and bodyguard for the boss.

He's been itinerant for around a year and slowly loosing money. He was offered a job while passing though Denver and decided to take the opportunity to make some money.

His current vehicle is what he's been living out of since his his old life collapes an is more optimized for not being bothered than for running. (It's a used camper truck [Gaz P-179] fitted with morphing license plates, Chameleon coating and GridLink Override)

numbers on vehicle.
Gaz P-179 {Arsenal 109/10} (New $12,000) (High used $9,600) (low used $6,000) {arsenal pg 104}
Morphing License Plate (1000) {arsenal pg 105}
5 run flat tires [4 in use 1 spare] (1250) {arsenal pg 106}
Chameleon coating. (14000) {arsenal pg 133}
GridLink Override (2000) {arsenal pg 136/7}
(High used 27850) (low used 24250)
Rigger Adaptation (2500) {arsenal pg 141/2}
(High used 30350) (low used 26750)

>>49769024
Seems that'll be the way to go.
>>49769072
>Wait ADEPT? So their supernaturally skilled yet fat as shit?
Why not? Just because you have magic and a few tricks doesn't mean your metabolism can't be shit and you're not a total slob.


>this char is gonna clap so hard when the air plane lands, just like a real burger

>>49769208
The books, the most up to dates Anarchies by virtue of being the newest.

>>49769208
The new book on the corps, Market Panic.

>>49769292
Hey, whoa, not all burgerlanders clap whenever things happen.

Just those fucking white folk.

>>49769485
I know but this is 4chan. And I can guaran fucking tee that it's burgerkin clapping whenever the plane lands when I travel.

t. Canuck

>>49769258
Man, fake SINs used to be so much more affordable.

>>49762218

If you wanted some rules light shadowrun, it does that fine.

>>49765560
I believe most MANPADS actually are reloadable, in the same way most ATGMs are reloadable

>>49770392
Correctamundo. MANPADS are reloadable and so is ATGM launchers. It would be foolish to have expensive piece of kit being one use only.

AT-launchers in turn have mix of disposable launchers like M72 LAW, AT-4 and MBT LAW and reloadable like RPG-7, Carl Gustav and Javelin.

>>49758525
My group puts them into ballistic masks, and if those get knocked off we have other problems.

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So, I've been re-reading 2D's Shadowrun Storytime, and something's been confusing me.

Dervish is supposed to have Rocket Feet right? I've looked through everything I can find and I can't find Rocket Feet.

I really want Rocket Feet for... Reasons. Anyone got any idea if they're actually from a book or homebrew or just named something different?

>>49758525
I always hear polar opposite depictions of trodes. They're either so delicate and unwieldy that any physical action should render them useless or so hardy and unobtrusive you can sew them into your regular clothes and never think of them again.

>>49770780
They're called Skimmers. Chrome Flesh has them in 5e, dunno about 4th.

>>49770780
They're called skimmers.

>>49770962
Dervish only exists in 4th so they exist there too.

>>49770962
>>49770970

I love both of you (No Homo). Cheers guys.

>>49769485
>those fucking white folk.
Tell your dad hi when you get back home from looting, Jamal.

>>49770601
The Javelin is an ATGM, not a rocket like the others you listed.

>>49773495
Don't do that. If you want to make shit happen ask something worth talking about.

For instance, to my knowledge only a handful of corps have their own canon hrt, what do you do for neonet and the others who do not?

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>>49769258

Does this build have much potential for growth as the game goes on?

>>49773542
>neonet
knights of rage in a sense
Let's list them
ARES- Firewatch
AZT- Shorn Ones or Eagle Warriors
EVO- ??
Horizon- Dawkins Group
Mitsuhama- ??
NeoNet- in a way Celedyr's Knights of Rage
Renraku- Red Samurai
SK- SK Prime
Shiawase- ??
Wuxing- ??

anyone know the ??s ?

>>49773748
I thought AZT used Jaguar Warriors?

>>49773820
Yeah, forgot those
IIRC they had four kinds of warriors: Eagle, Jaguar, another one and Shorn Ones, which are technically 2 people

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Hey /srg/, I could use your input on something. I'm trying to design some cutting-edge equipment, either tu use as McGuffins for runs or as rewards. Rather than going for purely better numbers, I'd like to try a few things that offer interesting choices for the players.

Here is what I have so far:

>Hardware scanner
This helmet-mounted scanner incorporates a high-end commlink with a specialised Agent module. It is able to scans the wearer's field of view for hidden wireless-active devices and displays their location in AR.
>Rating 8 commlink. On command, the integrated Rating 4 Agent performs Matrix Perception, looking for silent icons in the field of view of the user, then Trace Icon (without the need for marks). Takes [4] capacity in a helmet.

>Chi Accumulator
Worn as a harness on the chest, this contraption allows the wearer to sub-consciously adjust the flow of his own energy.
>Whenever the wearer should regain Edge, he can instead chose to win 1 Karma.

>Seeking rounds
These specially designed Assault Cannon rounds feature a two-stage propulsion mechanism and an intricate system of stabilization fins, allowing the projectile to alter it's course in-flight.
>Requires a Take Aim action to activate. Applies a -5 defence modifier to the target.

>Jetpack
Combining milspec drone thrusters with quickened spells, this backpack grants it's user unparalleled mobility.
>Counts as either a Levitate spell with 3 successes or a Movement power at Magic 3.

Do you have more ideas? Things that feel cyberpunk but are not available yet? Bonus points if they integrate magic at the same time.

>>49773840
The other one is Brave Ones which are deep infiltrators.

But i found out MCT, they are mentioned in Street Grimoire, Research Unit 13. Which is around 12 of the most powerful mages in the world.

>>49773748
>>49773911
Mitsuhama is not the kind to send HTR. They have Petrovski Security and Parashield to provide first response, and zero-zones to take care of more serious threats. If something goes through all that, and causes serious damage to MCT, then perhaps they will send a member or Unit 13

>>49773858
>>Chi Accumulator
TOO OP
TOO FUCKING OP

>>49773858
>Whenever the wearer should regain Edge, he can instead chose to win 1 Karma.
KEK no

>>49773948
>>49773972
Limite of once per week/month then

>>49773994
>Once per week/month you get 1 karma extra
too weak, who the fuck would take it?

>>49773924
Zero Zones are ZONES not responses.

A Zero zone means that anyone in that area is dead.

Unit 13 also as mentioned in the bios are the guys in charge of security and if you slight them its very very bad for them.

So its not unlikely to get one on your ass if you run against MCT so they dont get DISHONARABU.

Shiwase's elite anti runner groups seems to be.... the Market Information and Forecasting Department. Which happens to be one of the greatest espionage groups in the business.

So if you piss of Shiawase they know, if you help Shiawase they know. If you are holding in a shit they know.

These fuckers probbably compile the companies christmas list.

>>49774073
Responding to an attack is not always about chasing the attacker. As you emphasise with Shiawase, It can also be about knowing the attacker and having leverage on him. It can also be about showing overwhelming defence.

What I'm saying is not all AAAs have designated elite HTR because it is not in the philosophy of all corps to have one. Even the Dawkins Group is vastly different in its strategy from the Red Samurai or Firewatch.

>>49774123
As far as I understand it we're compiling a list of who they send to fuck you up if you get too high on their kill-list and how they do it
In case of ARES that's a Firewatch team while you are on the shitter
In Shiawase's case it's most likely a small manila folder on your doorstep, filled with pictures of you through an entire day, yes ENTIRE day, even when you sleep, even when you shit. Just to send that simple message

So far
ARES- Firewatch
AZT- Eagle and Jaguar warriors, Brave and Shorn Ones
EVO- ??
Horizon- Dawkins Group
Mitsuhama- Research Unit 13
NeoNet- Celedyr's Knights of Rage
Renraku- Red Samurai
SK- SK Prime
Shiawase- Market Information and Forecasting Department
Wuxing- ??

Only EVO and Wuxing Left

>>49774123
I get that but 13 mostly know combat spells, which implies a willingness to be crunchy and not just chief of security.

MRU are also MCT's troubleshooters so they likely will personally deal with issues that dishonored them (Especially if it can be done before the rest of the corp finds out).

DESU I assume all AAA teams have their own dedicated hrt because they have things that they do NOT want the other corps to find out, so they cant just outsource the job.

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>>49765192
Thanks chummer!
I think VR sounds wiz!

>>49773858
The scanner sounds neat, but that's possibly a DIY project.

Free Karma OP

Seeking rounds are a good excuse for Wireless Bonus, but that's a hefty defense penalty.

Not sure the jetpack would work, but hey if it's specialized magic...

Here are a couple free ideas:

>Alchera Glove
A dual-natured glove originally used to interact with magic in laboratory settings. Has the curious property of enabling the wearer to "anchor" astral forms by grabbing them with the glove. Attempting to target a non-manifesting form without Astral Perceiving is counted as fighting blind. Once an astral form is grabbed, it is held to the wearer's physical position as though it were materialized, though it can easily break free or drag its captor through the air or into hazards.

>Explosive Tape
Experimental plastic explosives form factor. Tearing a single strip and applying it to a target within reach is a Complex Action - tearing activates the detonation nanomesh on the detached strip, giving you two Combat Turns to find cover. Each strip counts as 1kg of Rating 6 explosive, and the ease of use increases the Mental limit on the Demolitions test by 2. Otherwise it looks like normal duct tape. DO NOT glitch when using. Attempting to remove the tape (if it is noticed) is a Demolition test with a -2 penalty.

>Gecko Rounds
An attempt at less-lethal ammunition that didn't have a habit of filling in people's eyes and mouths with deadly glue (thanks freezefoam). Gecko rounds do 1S, but as long as they hit, the target takes a growing penalty to their actions as the Gecko bullets stuck to them start snagging and adhering to the environment or other parts of them.

>>49774582
>Explosive Tape
Honestly? That product would be a fucking hit for people who need to use explosives
>Need a door/window demolished? Just prepare some tape around the form you want to make
>need a heavy enemy damaged? Just let your Infiltrator or Sammy sneak/run to them and apply some strips on their joints
I can honestly imagine that many teams just keep a roll or two of it in handy in case they need some explosives

>>49773748
who does Universal Omnitech have?

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Is this a good design for a corporate elf Johnson or should I try to make it more futuristic somehow?

>>49774889
Lots and lots of biodrones.

>>49774914
Eyes are a bit close-set, but it's great for someone who likes tradition. Saeder-Krupp or a Japanacorp trying to blend into the West could both work.

>>49774941
>eyes
You're right, I caught up on that too, but it was way too late to fix without smudging the whole doodle up.

I wouldn't have thought of nipcorp because of their xenophobia, I was leaning towards Horizon, but S-K is a good call too.

>>49762497
Shouldn't just one point of damage be enough to put you at risk for ghoulification?

>>49775038
IIRC it's one point resisted Physical damage
so if your Physical CM fills by even one point you are at risk of ghoulification

Ey, if I have the choice between Karmagen and Priority, which is the best to go with?

>>49775349
Depends
Karmagen usually makes Generalists, due to the cost scaling with Levels
Priority (like BP in 4e) rewards Specialists due to the cost being fixed
Both are shit for Trolls and Orks. In Karmagen due to the high cost for the attributes. In Priority due to the high priority you need to take to be able to play them

Please point out errors in this if there are

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>>49773858
>Rating 8
Rating 5 would be more appropriate. Pic related, p 234 in SR5 core book.

>>49775396
While there's a high cost to raise those attributes, they're still already high, so it's not like you're not getting the benefits of those raised numbers.

(I did some quick math, and while a human's paying 20 karma less to get to Str 6, the human's still 40-ish karma and some essence behind once you factor in body, edge, dermal, and vision. And those things do have some impact. Just a little, you know.)

I've completely forgotten what a "decent" build entails. I'm looking at an Adept, is there anything I should keep in mind not to forget?

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>>49756401

4th edition cheat sheets

http://pavao.org/shadowrun/cheatsheets/SR4Indirect.pdf

http://pavao.org/shadowrun/cheatsheets/SR4Spellcasting.pdf

http://pavao.org/shadowrun/cheatsheets/SR4Summoning.pdf

http://pavao.org/shadowrun/cheatsheets/SR4SpiritRef.pdf

>>49775544
The Fairlight Caliban is Rating 7. This would just be one step above.

>>49775706
>just a step above a fucking Fairlight Caliban
>just

>>49775010
Elves both look like humans and are naturally charismatic, so they generally have a higher chance of blending into otherwise human groups.

>>49775396
It's factually incorrect to say karmagen penalizes orks and trolls when they are actually the two metatypes that come out ahead compared to humans.

A troll with 2 edge costs 100 karma.
A human with 5 bod and 5 str costs 140 karma.

A ork with 2 edge costs 60 karma.
A human with 4 bod and 3 str costs 70 karma.

Dwarves break even compared to humans.

Elves are actually the most penalized metatype in karmagen. An elf with 2 edge costs 50 karma, while a human with 2 agi and 3 cha costs 35 karma.

Is Initiative still maximum important in 5e? Should I bother with getting Improved Reflexes 3 with my Adept?

>>49776326
Initative's still important, but IR 3 is probably overkill for most Adepts.

I mean, if you wanted to be an adept-decker that always takes Maximum Passes or any kind of combatant that always has Full Defense going, then you'd want IR 3 but in most cases you can just get one or two and later get a focus for emergencies.

>>49772211
MBT LAW is also guided weapon. If we want to nitpick and go autistic yes MBT LAW and Javelin are ATGMs. But when majority of people hear about ATGMs they think about TOWs and Konkurs, wire guided weapons and not shoulder launched tubes.

>>49776379
What are some other good powers that would be worth taking IR 2 instead of 3 to get that extra 1 Power Point?

>>49776442
What kind of adept are you? Social, melee combat, ranged combat?

For social, if you haven't gotten your fill of Commanding Voice or Cool Resolve, you want that. If you have, get like, one rank of Combat Sense and two of Danger Sense so that ambushes are less dangerous to you.

If you're melee, consider berserk or possibly even Adept Spell and a little spellcasting for something like Elemental Aura.

If ranged, either two ranks of Combat Sense or some misc stuff to boost range/ameliorate penalties depending on the kind of ranged you're doing.

>>49776494
I was going for guns, desu. I'll look into Combat Sense.

>>49776515
Combat Sense is extra defense dice. Other things you might also consider in mixed amounts include Pain Resistance and Rapid Healing, Cloak, Missile Parry, Rapid Draw, and the minor sneaking enhancing stuff.

Depends a bit on the kind of guns you're using and the strategies you want to employ.

>>49773858
>It is able to scans the wearer's field of view for hidden wireless-active devices and displays their location in AR.
There are three ways to display physical location of an icon's device; it uses an ARO, you mark & track it, or you use a bug scanner.

>>49776602
>Combat Sense is extra defense dice.
It's more important function is always giving a perception test to avoid surprise tests.

>>49776660
One of Combat Sense and two of Danger Sense is great for that purpose.

Chummer has Personafix misspelled into Personaflix

I'm trying to build a runner that has a modded Skilljack/Skillwire combo with personafix recordings of all their dead friends, activesofts attached.

Is there an actual reason for Edge to not apply to activesofts or is that just CGL being a bunch of dicks?

>>49776931
But there are better uses for .5 PP than 2 ranks of danger sense.

>>49775985
Especially if they were lucky to be born with round ears (Human-Looking). Then they get all of the advantages of being an elf, none of the prejudice, and to top it all off the pleasant surprise of graceful aging.

>>49776326
I recommend Improved Reflexes 3 for literally every adept. It really is that good, especially since the price drops after that first level. It even enhances a Face adept, because it lets you make more Leadership tests to boost your allies and Commanding Voice tests to screw with your enemies in a given turn. Which is to say nothing of the benefit it provides to actual-combat.

That and the ever-useful Astral Perception are my automatic purchases on an Adept.

>>49774940

Are biodrones not really set up for spec ops?

>>49777181
Sorry about that, we got bought out by Reed Hastings. Part of our new branding initiative.

Will be fixed shortly.

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>>49777621
Stick a stirrup in a Juggernaut and it doesn't matter what else is going on.

>>49767347
I was thinking something like a couple tubes set with an auto-loading system before the run. Set in range of the target. How intense is sighting on these things? Something reasonable to hand off to an pilot soft?

Also, I have always wondered, why are mortar shells droped into the tube? Would adding a breach loading system increase the weight to much? It just seems to add an unpredictable factor of how fast the shell is dropped.

Also, have mortars gotten any more accurate?

>>49768999
Isn't there a drone in Rigger 5.0 that basically IS a mobility scooter? Strictly speaking, I think it's actually a wheelchair but it will do

What the fuck is actually going on with the dragon civil war?

>>49770962
IF it's in in Chrome flesh it's almost guaranteed to be in augmentation, as chrome Flesh is basically Augmentation copy-pasted and edited to be less clear and helpful, minus massive chunks of rules in order to make room for circlejerking fan-fic.

>>49777974

Its over. Lofy won and his brother is dead. Hesty is in exile and the Destroyer is in dragon jail

>>49778036
Yeah that part's obvious but what actually went down?

>>49778151

You can read about it in Storm Front, its in the mediafire folder for 4th edition. You'll be better off getting the info first hand.

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>>49778151

>>49756401
So, I don't like any of the grenade launcher options. I would like to make a character that can move around without impossible to hide military gear poking out of their trench coat.

How would one stat/cost a modernized stealthy M79 grenade launcher? Something with a folding stock and single round breach loading?

>>49778165
Fair, thanks.

>>49778168
Kickass.

>>49778304
I'm lazy, but I would just use the stats for the Ares Antioch-2 in the core book. House rule the single round breach loading, maybe say the cost of the folding stock mod and the drawback of the single loading cancel each other out?

>>49778448
Or you could just add a folding stock as well the easy breakdown and/or chameleon coating upgrades from Hard Targets, I think it might have reduced mag size as a mod as well . It's not like concealment mods are hard and fast anyway so you're pretty much at the mercy of the GM to get an item like that.

>>49778304
You Could also try getting a Cyber Grenade launcher, they're frigging expensive and are goign to require restricted gear but if you want a grenade launcher you can easily conceal that's probably your only RAW option. Getting it in a cyber-arm will save some essence, but it will consume the arm's entire capacity, so honestly you're probably better off just jamming it right into your body.

>>49778448
Also, this reminds me of the various problems with grenade launcher pricing. A fully functional grenade launcher costs with a smartlink costs less then putting an underslung grenade launcher on your gun. A grenade launcher with a inbuilt smartlink costs segnificantly less then one with a slightly larger clip(if you are using more then 8 grenades without time to reload in between, I am woried for the state of your wallet) and semi-auto. Given the costing of adding a smartlink, this means a normal one would cost about 1067 ish yen. I guess the fact grenade launchers are going for a lowish threashold means you can split a dice pool for three shots and only miss a little bit... but again, that means wanting to throw away money hand over fist. On top of paying about 5x as much for the launcher.

Last 5e book I bought was Rigger 5. As far as I know I have every book before that. What's new?

>>49779132
Wait, also I remembered I have Market Panic. Everything after that is a mystery to me.

>>49777792
Now I want to know what the arabic text actually says.

>>49779245
"I move that I shall retain the meeting hat."

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>>49777890
>I was thinking something like a couple tubes set with an auto-loading system before the run. Set in range of the target. How intense is sighting on these things? Something reasonable to hand off to an pilot soft?

If the mortars automatically are sighted it really shouldn't be hard. As I said in the next post automatic sighting is already a thing. Programming or by wireless orders it should be doable

>Also, I have always wondered, why are mortar shells droped into the tube? Would adding a breach loading system increase the weight to much? It just seems to add an unpredictable factor of how fast the shell is dropped.

Simplicity in production. Mortar tubes are very cheap to make and due to the structure of the tube they are pretty sturdy. Breachloading mortars are thing for example 81mm 2b9 Vasilek which fires from magazine of round. But most breachloaders are 160mm+ size mortars where dropping the round is not practical. Breachloading mortars approach the territory of being howitzers. It is just about practicality. With light mortars it does make firing simultaneously bit harder, but it doesn't have much effect at target if the rounds arrive within 1 second. Heavier mortars 120mm+ use cord pulled strikers that allow simultaneous firing.

>Also, have mortars gotten any more accurate?

If location of mortar is known well and location of enemy is also known. Weather isn't terrible and you have weather data you can get easily within 10m of the target. Of course for 120mm+ mortars GPS and Laser guided rounds have been developed so pinpoint accuracy. While artillery is suitable for fucking shit up all over the place, mortars can be used to take single targets reliably.

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>>49756401
For those who've played the Harebrained Schemes SR games, I want to do something similar as the last enemy that Hong Kong did for my players. Any Ideas on how to execute such a fight without huge asspulls?

>>49778027

Yeah, they're in Augmentation as Skimmer Disks. What threw me off is that for some reason I can't find them in Chummer 4e. Still, I know where they are in the books and that's a start

>>49779865

Treat it like a particularly annoying Mentor Spirit... rather than fighting it, fight it's minions. Maybe some Shamans who are in thrall to it who summon gribbly spirit things to do their bidding.

That way it can always come back later to annoy your players

>>49778836
Addendum: By getting an Ares Antioch-2 as a Custom CyberWeapon you can reduce the price significantly an reduce the availability to 12F, as well get an increase the base magazine size.

>>49779869
The modular cyberlimb stuff is a bitch to get to. You need to get cyberlegs or cyberfeet, make them modular, and then you'll have access to them.

Okay really hoping this question goes off the deep end.

GMs (or players I guess); what's the farthest you've ever diverged from the timeline of the Official SR canon? Killed Harlequin? Summoned Horrors? Nuked the Corporate Court? Repealed Extraterritoriality? Saved Bug City?

Or does everyone just stick to the plan and make their Shadowrunners boring old archetypical noir characters who are skilled at their jobs but have no real say in the Sixth World's history?

>>49780097

I love you. Thank you so fucking much for helping me find that

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>>49780151
N-no problem, anon-kun...

I'm working on a Chess-themed Rigger in 4e and am pondering which drones to go with which role. Theming them off the Caïssa poem (With Caïssa as the runner name).

Pawns: Highly Expendable combat drones.
Castles: Heavy, high armour. Mobility is very secondary.
Archers: Something with a sniper rifle (Likely a flying drone)
Knights: High mobility, something for chasing down vehicles.
Queen: Otomo (About the only one I'm sure of)
King: Not a clue. I could use the Rigger herself as it but I'm not sure it's in-theme with her as the goddess by name.

Any thoughts on fitting drones?

>>49780150
The point of a cyberpunk game isn't to change the status quo massively. That kills the feeling of powerlessness in the face of the corps, the mindless consumerism of society and the dragons (in SR).
If things can be changed that easily, plot holes open up, the setting itself starts to fall apart and you lose half of the things - be it mood, character archetypes, settings, plots or more or less whatever you can think of - that the setting gives to you.
It's a major setting overhaul that requires a lot of homebrew and deliberation, and it's insanely tricky to pull off in a setting with a strict status quo and with half of its content hinging upon the fact that it barely ever changes without sending the whole thing crumbling down.
Equating change with fun is what kills many games, whether it's D&D or Shadowrun. Some settings are built with plenty of flex, but a game like Shadowrun, which draws from its detailed society and firm status quo to provide content, will just end up suffering massively if you change things for the sake of causing change. The setting isn't built for you to follow up on it, nor to do it in general - if you break rules to get there, break rules to do it and break rules to play from there, you can as well play a homebrew.
You're strawmanning too - a game without players diverging from canon is likely to be infinitely more interesting than a full Henderson, because there's much more setting material to work with in an unchanged canon. It gives you time to focus on the characters instead of their deeds, allows you to keep the characters themselves from being derailed by the loss of scale, and in general allows you to benefit from everything in the rulebook in a saner, more controlled game.
Victory in cyberpunk is explicitly not about blowing up the system and changing everything. It's about fighting for ages and giving up dozens of lives to win back just one inch from the corporations - and even one inch is a start.

>>49781158
If you were in 5e the King would most likely be her RCC. Perhaps the vehicle she operates out of?

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>>49781190

Yeah, in 4e she's an adept hacker.

In part because I've picked up Improved Ability(Non-Combat). Not for anything potent but to give her a silly amount of Professional Knowledge: Combat Tactics (+2 Chess). The GM approved that as it was very in-theme.

Vehicle might work for the King, yeah.

>>49781220
Make the king a flying "eye-in-the sky" drone that gets the other data, firing solutions,... and acts as much as a "leader" for the others as possible.

Then add the largest bomb it can carry as a self-destruct system as a nasty surprise for the opponent in case of 'checkmate'.

>>49781240

Actually, that's not a bad idea. Spotter and ECM carrier. I really like that.

Former detective/cop adept who lost his SIN in the latest crash, and had to turn his former contacts in the underworld for a chance to survive. Grey-area morals more or less, bit of a mix of a heart of gold towards some, and a ruthless lawbringer to others.

Mechanically, probably a human adept with high Edge and magic. Focus on perception, forensics, investigation stuff, with a side of pistols supported by Analyze Device.

Y/N

>>49781342
Y. Fairly classic sort of character from a genre PoV as well. Although you might want to juggle the priorities a bit, high edge and adept might complicate your skills and attributes unpleasantly. What chargen method are you using?

>>49781446
Karmagen, with nuyen per karma up to 2,500.

Has anyone got copies of the runner black books from 4th edition?

>>49777181
>Is there an actual reason for Edge to not apply to activesofts
In 4e at least you had 2 different skillwire augs, of which one is the enhanced version of the other and thus allows you to use edge in those skills
Maybe CGL forgot to CTRL+V that aug from 4e

>>49777181

The general reasoning why you can't apply edge is that skillwires/activesofts are not you. You are letting the software take over and do it for you, so you can't apply your own personal flair to it for edge to work.

4e had improved ones that had a lot more fuzzy logic/more seamlessly meshed so it could be used (To a degree) with edge.

>>49781699
Have you checked the OP pastebin?

>>49756401
Guys, If I built my shadowrunner's background around "Borrowed Time" negative quality (very nasty illness) and GM gave me possibility to buy it out, should I just roll with my first character concept, and accept PC who will die, or maybe I should go with GM suggestion, and let him create some "personal quest" for me, around looking for cure and stealing info from corps?

>>49780150

Our group has blundered into a 5e version of the Renraku Arcology debacle. I keep getting the nagging feeling that this will end with Rating 10 explosives.

>>49781825
I have, they don't seem to be in either of the links, and neither does Euro war antiquities on its own.

>>49781891
If the dm has a plan to let you live then he has something he want to do with your character.

Maybe you'll end up like Roxborough.

>>49781891
Sounds like the second would make for a more entertaining campaign, assuming your GM can pull it off. Might even tie you closely to the events of the chronicle.

>>49782011

Or Joseph Virek, you mean. Zero fucks given about THAT appropriation.

>>49782152
Joseph Virek yeah but its likely theyd actually run against Unniversal Omnitech rather then a gibson character.

Its already been established Shadowrun basically stapled magic into gibson's works and the dude is NOT happy about it.

>>49781446
>>49781457
?

>>49782194
>and the dude is NOT happy about it
...back in the 90s.

In the two decades since, he's basically forgotten about it, and also stopped giving a shit.

>>49782236

Yes? If he was using priority, it would complicate things greatly, but karmagen should make that concept quite accomplishable, although in a pinch, I'd reduce the desired edge, given it's expense. A skill monkey adept already has a great deal of utility. Edge would help with that, but it isn't critical, and you can make do without much gear for at least a few sessions.

>>49781158
King
>Giant robot what carries her around/ is her main protection
>Her computer
>An AI that assists her in everything

>>49782400
I think he was asking for specific modules.

But for King why not a good old Roadmaster from where to direct your operations?

>>49782400
>>49782430

Yeah, aside from the King (Though I'm very much starting to like the idea of it being Electronic Warfare equipped) I'm more pondering exact drone types as Shadowrun has a damn lot...and to be honest, I 90% play mages so I've never looked over them/riggers much.

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Is there a slur ghouls use to refer to metahumans? Sort of like how ghouls in fallout refer to normal folks as "smooth skins".

>>49782570
>Is there a slur ghouls use to refer to metahumans?
No. Ghouls have no real communities, especially of non-feral ghouls, that are well-established enough to develop that kind of slang.

If they WERE going to call metahumans some kind of slur, they'd probably call them 'meat.'

>"Keep walking, meat, if you know what's good for you."

>>49782520
For pawns can you make a aztechnology crawler rigged up with enough explosives to suicide bomb?

>>49782617
>Asamando

>>49782630
Asamando doesn't need slurs, they're the upper class with no human lower class to discriminate against.

>>49782630
Ghoultown
Tarmanous

You're pretty wrong.

>>49782629

...I'm not sure if I'll use that but I'm making note of it anyway for a specialist tool even if I don't use it as a themed drone. Shoving that in an air vent along with a clump of rating 10 explosives sounds amazing.

>>49782642
Are you retarded? I was saying that there are ghoul communities.

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>>49766533
I thought honor was rust on a dull blade.

>>49782664
Well the crawlers are litterally the cheapest drones on the market, or the most available.

You can get others but they are more spycams.

>>49782675
No i quoted you to add to your list.

>>49782705

Point taken. Crawlers with SMGs might be cool.

>>49781984
Well, that's something that needs fixing, then. I'll get right on that.

>>49781183
Granted there are ways to pull it off, but mostly as final runs.

For instance 2d's Two times run, if the players diverted that hammershot to, say, mct headquaters, then had the next campgain be about the war between ares and MCT that have suddenly started from some inexplicable attack ares did...

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>>49769257
>>49769257

Francis E. Dec levels of paranoid schitzophrenia.

Go look up his rants and people's explanations of them to begin to see how someone can become sufficiently warped to believe something they see regularly is a myth/conspiracy.

>>49783072
I think he means what negative qualities would fit

>>49783098
Being dead probbably, elves are special enouugh that offending them is bad.

>>49782743
>>49781984
Euro War should be up now. I can't seem to find the Runner's Black Books, so if someone links me to them, I'll get them up. Otherwise, no dice to that skill, chummer.

Is there any information somewhere in the books about Atlantis? I know the Atlantean Foundation is looking for it, and that it's based on an island from the Therian Empire, but is that all the information there is?

>>49782743
Just seen the Euro antiquities, awesome thanks a tonne.
Looking to do a run for my players against the Crimson crush where the end fight is with a yerzed out T90.
Is there any conversion out there for 4th vehicles to 5th or do I need to do the conversions myself?

>>49783250
http://www.drivethrurpg.com/product/170868/Shadowrun-Runners-Black-Book-2074 that's the stuff, don't worry about it though as it's just a compliation of some other books you've already uploaded. Thanks again chummer.

>>49783513
>Is there any information somewhere in the books about Atlantis? I know the Atlantean Foundation is looking for it, and that it's based on an island from the Therian Empire, but is that all the information there is?
The only information about Atlantis is anything you might read in Earthdawn about the lost empire.

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I'd climb the Eiger.

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>>49784171

>>49784171
>>49784232
but how big is her feminine benis lads

Would you let Eiger bite you during sex
I'd let Eiger bite me during sex

>>49784171
I'm glad SSR confirmed that attractive Troll women are A Thing.

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>>49785183
>Eiger.
>Attractive

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>>49784693

?

>>49785371
Yeah, I guess you're right, she must be overcompensating. Kind of a shame.

>>49785323
>not liking big fit women
You're one of those guys who says fapping to traps isn't gay, aren't you?

>>49785404
Look, just because it's got a compensator attached to it...

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>>49785404
>Liking big fit women
>Projecting their fetishes on the other.
You should stop looking for a defender anon, and meet challenges like a real man, covering his military girlfriend.

>>49785478
>looking for a defender
>projecting your insecurities while whining about projecting
I like my significant other to care about their health enough to maintain their body, thanks for asking. If you know a good way to tell that at a glance other than fitness, let me know.

>>49785478
>looking for a defender
My MysAd actually comboed fairly well with her as a one-two offensive punch. Blindness and -AP attacks let me set up targets for her to put down with her guns - with the formation centered on her position, she was the point that had to be defended.

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>>49785508
>projecting your insecurities while whining about projecting
Said the man who is looking for big women who can protect him.

If you are not afraid then you will meet with the women of you race.
And not with a woman who is above you on the head or two.
>>49785576
Anon, the battle is another matter, he goes away from the attractiveness.

>>49785610
>implying I'm not a troll
>implying she's taller than me
insecure elflet detected

>>49785610
The battle is what she understands.

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>>49785625
>implying I'm not a troll
I honestly think you're a man.
Accept my apologies.
>>49785630
I doubt that only this, she took care of the team.

Molly deserved better.

>>49786661
Probably, but >>>/lit/ unless you're saying mechanical support for razorgirls is weak?

>>49786729
I wouldn't say the support is weak. You can work wonders with a single cyberarm. Gimmick weapons, maybe not so much.

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>>49786661
>tfw no razorgf

>>49787513
Romance doesn't exist in the sixth world, chummer.

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>>49787665
Sure it does, just now it comes with a subscription

>>49787665
Cynical jokes aside I want you to remenber that Mirage achieved sentinence from True Love with her elf boyfriend Dodger.

Fairy Tales do come true in Shadowrun, its just since when are you the good guy?

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>>49787764
>being the good guy
Love knows no affiliation

>>49787701

So same as the fifth world then.

>>49756401
What is the state of mining in the 6th world? Is it all automated open pit maximum impact?

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>>49788440
Depends on the region, sometimes wageslaves are still more cost effective than heavy machinery... especially if you can keep them light no the wage part and bolt on some reused cyberware.

why are the maps in the pastebin always such shit

>>49789005
because the ones from the actual books aren't much better

>want to play a sneaky blade filled medical robot
>cannot play it due to AI rules being shit and also have no group
>decide to watch shadowrun games to take the edge of
>the most recent corporate sins
>ALL ABOUT HIGHLY INFECTIOUS DISEASE AND SNEAKING

fuck

fuck this is not helping at all.

Why is it so hard to play a sneaky stabby medic robot?

>>49789280
Probably the robot component if I had to guess.

>>49789280
>why is it so hard to be a faggoty special snowflake?
Lack of self-awareness.

>>49789304
well, duh anon.
But if you're not a robot, you no longer get to talk about meatbags.

>>49789312
>Why oh why can't I have just normal rules?
>because you are a special snowflake
I don't think you thought that one through

Does anyone play on that /r/runnerhub or whatever it is? is it good? I'm thinking of joining.

>>49789428
>is it good
>reddit
>"Living worlds"
No for so many reasons.

>>49789428
From what I've heard around here it's runs only
As in: You go there with your character, you take the run, you do the run, you leave
no downtime, no RP between runs

>>49789506
No, no, don't worry at all, they have threads every five days where you can RP being on JackPoint! It's totally awesome!

>>49789322
If you're heavily Cybered you could refer to non-cybered people as meatbags/fleshsacksand sausage links, try and meet the setting halfway on your concept. you could even take the cyber-psychotic quality.

>>49789584
I still think it's wacky that the setting is rife with AIs getting SINs and shit, but there's no good robut rules.
God, even being a rigger is a nightmare.

>>49789322
You're trying to make a character that is outside the bounds of the things that exist in the settings, that's pretty much special snowflake 101. Shadowrun doesn't have classic sci-fi robots, it has cyborgs and drones, and to lesser extent AI's but AI's are supposed to be somewhat mysterious and aren't really for PCs.

>>49789566
>where you can RP being on JackPoint
ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

>>49789630
>there aren't robots, but there are robots
>and there are AIs, sure, but you're not really supposed to be one
honestly, I think this is just a case of the rules not matching up to the setting very well.

>>49789680
>there aren't robots, but there are robots
there's a difference between
>robot people
and
>people with advanced prosthetics and implanted computers and
>robots like today, but more

also, just because something has rules doesn't mean that you should be that
there are rules for blood mages, toxics and bug shamans
but they are NPC ONLY

>>49789765
I'm almost certain the book refers to AIs as a thing players can be.

And the presence of cyberlimbs and shit is specifically why I find the lack of normal robots so weird.

>>49789506
Really? that's fuckin stupid

Did that technomancer book come out yet?

>>49790315
nope

>>49790315
No. I'll let you know when it does.

>>49789792
Grudingly, and and an AI is very conceptually different I think from what you are trying to create. A shadowrun AI is a data entity, they livein the virtual world, they're kind of to the matrix what free spirits are to mages, not discrete mechanical entities. Definitely thematically related but very different. The rules match the setting (doesn't mean they're not shit) your concept doesn't match the setting.

Literally ALL of my friends like Shadowrun so I've been thinking about running a SR campaign.

One question is: is killing security guards just a relatively normal (if dangerous) thing to do in SR, and are the megacorporations that plain toxic that shooting Wally the security guard as part of a mission is perfectly okay? Or are the protagonists just that greedy and desperate?

>>49791185
Killing guards is fairly typical, but discouraged when practical.

As far as the corp is concerned, the reason they often don't bother chasing after runners is because the damage is already done, and trying to catch them after the fact is in all likelihood throwing good money after bad. Whether or not runners kill or just incapacitate guards doesn't make much of a difference here.

However, killing people means that you are making it personal for everyone that knew and cared about the stiff. Convincing a bunch of people that it is worth losing money to put you six feet under is something anyone looking to have a long career should attempt to avoid.

>>49791185
As far as I see it it (like many other things) depends on the frequency
If you play nonlethally you generally are ignored. Sure you destroyed the lab/stole the prototype/extracted the important scientist/whatever. But the cost is already included in their predictions and if you do it well they might consider hiring you to get even
if you kill a few guards the Corps are (understandably) going to be kinda miffed, but they know that this was kinda inevitable, send the families some alimony and hire new guards
if you kill a lot of guards the corps are going to see you as a threat, since you a) hurt morale, b) cost money and c) send a clear signal that they are to be fucked with. Too many deaths and you get on their shit list, meaning that the corps might bundle information about you in the interest of preventing you from hurting them again. This also happens if you destroy too much corp property/hurt or kill their employees or do other shit.

there aren't concrete numbers on when you are in phase 1/2/3, but as long as you keep the general Idea in mind you should be fine

and just before I wanted to post >>49791269 said it pretty well

>>49791288
>>49791269
Thank you.

>>49756401
So there are like three splatbooks dedicated to adding more guns to the game. but not a single new grenade. Have I missed any? Mainly, I was wondering if there is an incendiary grenade anywhere? What about a mono wire based grenade like thing?

What's the typical armor value of a new character? I was like "Yeah, Armor Jacket, 4 Body--I am SOLID," but then I see some people talking about how having merely low 20s in armor is dangerously low.

>>49791586
Depends on both edition and how min-maxed your game is.

If everyone's running around with ARs loaded up with ADPS, then even Body 5, Armor Jacket with Gel Packs, and helmet is going to look a bit bad.

On the other hand, if they're not, then Bod 3, Armor Vest, and Helmet can be pretty good, but you'd probably want the Jacket if you're not going to be infiltrating a lot.