>The DM suddenly tells you to roll a constitution check

>have a player roll a constitution check
>they spent minutes checking the room for poisons and other shit
>it was just a check to see whether the syphilis they caught from a random whore 5 sessions earlier starts to manifest or not

>>49755224
>PC is sprinting
>immediately checks his feet for needle-marks, thinks about what he last ate, has cleric cast neutralize poison on him
>player didn't realize he needs con checks to keep sprinting after a certain amount of time

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>>49755224
>GM asks for perception rolls.
>Passes an index card to the player who succeeded.

>>49755326

>GM
>Yes?
>You are aware that syphilis did not manifest in Europe or the Americas until Christopher Columbus right?
>Huh?
>The only thing that was found to have syphilis in them were llamas before he came to America
>...
>What I want to know is: in your setting, who fucked a llama so that humans could now transfer syphilis to each other?

>>All players asked to roll perception checks
>>Barbarian fails, all others pass
>> Cards being passed to all other players

>>49755673
What bearing does that have on a fantasy setting?

>>49755713

Okay then.

Why do STD's exist in a fantasy setting?

>>49755727
Wizards, man.

>>49755673

You know they might have contracted the disease through eating llama meat, right?

>>49755673
> Syphilis is a threat to us because somebody fucked a llama
> AIDS is a threat to us somebody fucked a monkey
The world would be a much better place if people could just keep it in their fucking pants.

>>49755750

Well that doesn't explain why the indigenous people didn't have it since they were assuredly eating llama meat.

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Me: I check for traps.

DM: You THINK its safe.

>>49755759
>people keeping it in their pants
>ever
Just look at all the half-races let alone halflings.

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> "I roll insight."
> "You don't think he's lying."

>>49755759
>tfw ancient romans fucked a contraceptive plant into extinction

>>49755224
>pass check
>examining the back of the Constitution, you can definitely make out the remains of a faded treasure map
>looks like your next stop is the Alamo

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>you notice something crawling under your clothes
>make a will save

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>>49755224
>Talking to an NPC
>The GM asks what the PCs' passive Insight / Sense Motive values are
>All of them are pretty low
>Rolls some dice
>"Yep, you are all quite certain he's telling you the truth."
>Everyone immediately gets suspicious out-of-character
>One of the PCs starts acting suspicious in-character as well
>Character was telling the truth all along. The GM just wanted to see who was willing to meta-game. Pic related, his face when we realized this.

>>49755531
don't wanna tell you how to GM, but if my players did that, I'd punish their character for their metagaming.
I mean, that behaviour goes against one of the basics of roleplaying: player knowledge =! character knowledge

Because disease is still very much a thing.

>>49756186
Dammit, phone ate the link. Replying to >>49755727

>The DM tries to railroad you by forcing you to roll a fuckton of saves

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>You're confronted with the inexplicably sexy female BBEG
>Knowing you can't fight her head-on, you roll to seduce
>The DM tells you to roll a constitution check first
>You fail
>You jizz yourself
>mfw

>>49756228
>Hey anon, roll me a d20. Don't ask why, just do it.
>18
>Hmmm, roll me another.
>20
>One more?
>11
>Oh nooooooo, would you look at that! Something bad happens now!

Someone's going to answer for this if this shit keeps cropping up.

>>49755224
Turns out that travelling around the land and eating the local delicacies exposes you to a fuckton of diseases.
Your character now has the squits. Oh no! Goblin ambush!

Somewhere this is a DM's magical realm.

>>49755951
Back in my Freeform Roleplay days, a few people were playing established characters, and I was playing Lelouch.

As a litmus test, I'd basically walk by someone, and they would suddenly find themselves standing somewhere completely different and find themselves accused of a fairly serious crime. This was done to see who would throw a sperg when their power fantasy gets subject to a no-save. These actually happened in a somewhat-vacuum, in-game, Lelouch was firmly established as the cause of various shenanigans and they would've gotten off on all charges.

>>49755759
You realize just being bit or scratched by an infect monkey would be enough to get AIDS, right?

>>49756271
Wouldn't that be a will save or something? Concentration check?

>>49755759
>AIDS is a threat to us somebody fucked a monkey
It's more likely AIDS is a threat to us because someone ate a monkey, actually. Keep in mind AIDS can be transferred through any kind of contact between bodily fluids.

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>>49756306
>I was playing Lelouch
Stopped reading right there

>>49756296
>tfw i did that
>the pc ended up with a pebble in her shoe

Funniest thing is that it end up in a TPK.

>>49756303
>Spoiler
Duh. People on the internet will find a way to fetishize anything, just look at the gross shit they fap furiously to on /d/.

Does anyone do shit like this randomly and save the results for later parts when it actually counts?

>>49755759
You realize sex isn't the only way you can contract STDs, right?

>>49756372
That doesn't sound funny at all, and moreover you're a cunt for doing that.

>>49756429
This makes for a funnier story. A ton of people died so we need to get our levity in wherever possible.

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>>49756350
>Gekkan Shoujo Nozaki-kun
That's some fine taste you have there, faggot.

>>49755631
>The index card just says "I'm fucking with everyone. Act like I just gave you really good info and refuse to share it and you'll get bonus XP."

One of my favorite GM tricks to keep people enthralled, honestly.

>>49755855
BAHAHAH WHAT

>>49757001
Silphium

>>49755759
Did you k ow that humans are the only species on the planet with two forms of lice? Head lice and pubuc lice, the ones on your pubes are only found on gorillas.

>>49756296
Sometimes I just say the thing happens because I don't want to deal with my players and their high rolling dice. Sometimes, when I want to leave it up to chance, I tell them they want to roll low because I'm a bastard.

>>49755954
In-game he was feeling tired from the sprinting. This being the first time in his life he had physically exerted himself the experience confused him and he thought he was under the influence of some sort of toxin or curse.

>>49756314
Concentration is con

>>49755892

Underrated post.

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>"Someone else., do you have any immunities to strong bases?"

>>49755809
Thats how DMs should always respond though

Players should never be absolutely certain.

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>the DM suddenly tells you to roll an anal circumference check

>>49755224
>Enemy attacks you
>"You lose X HPs"
>He rolls a couple of times more behind screen
>Attack enemy
>Roll the same as the last turn in which you hit him
>"You miss"

>>49757506
>what is mage armor
>what is dodging
>what are shields
>what is reading the AC wrong and correcting yourself next turn

>>49757852
Mage armor is a visible effect
Dodging is a visible effect
Shield is a visible effect
I was actually a poison, my Str decreased, I realized it when I couldn't move anymore due encumbrance

>>49758096
>Sentient poison
Hooboy.

>>49758222
no he means his STR went down but the DM didnt tell him right away, so adjusted the math of his roll without him knowing.

jesus you people are dense

>>49758590
I was making a joke on the wording of "I was actually a poison".

It's okay, the joke wasn't all that good.

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>playing a dark heresy game where the players know they'll be spending a lot of time on a desert planet
>important to note that the characters don't know they will be.
>mysteriously everyone has an environmental protection suit/ encironmental protection in their armour from game start, despite in many cases having absolutely no logical reason to have ever recieved one.

metagamers are the worst

>>49758806
>mysteriously everyone has an environmental protection suit/ encironmental protection
And what if they didn't? You'd give them some stat penalty until they scramble together some half-assed way of overcoming the hazardous environment?

>>49758933
And wind up Roleplaying being on a desert planet? Emperor forbid.

>>49758933
>Wait, you mean to tell me that you expect me to ACTUALLY ROLEPLAY the ramifications of being stranded on a desert planet?!
Where's the "RRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRAILROAD" image when you need it.

>>49757048
>the ones on your pubes are only found on gorillas
Then what the fuck are they doing in my pubes, I ain't never fucked a monkey

>>49758985
>>49759035
>implying giving players some tools while making them precious is not more interesting than making your party just whine IC about muh water and muh heat

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>>49757263
What dumb system are you playing that CON = concentration
It's constitution in everything, concentration is included in INT or something similar

>>49759139
Well, I assume when you were born some of them jumped onto from your parents and your parents got it from their parents and this cycle started when caveman carl fucked a gorilla and gave his entire tribe and everyone he went near lice in 10000 BC

>>49758590
>makes a typo
>someone makes a joke based on it
>resorts to insults
jesus youre a dense one mate

>>49755727
Well you see, first there was an evil, evil god of pestilence, who asked himself, "What would be a good way to make more people get sick, AND get back at that bastard god of lust for stealing my followers, all at once?"

>>49755673
>You did, now roll the fucking constitution or you're also going to get AIDS and you know very well where that originated, you zoophiliac fuck.

>>49755673
I never said what race the whore was.

>>49759477
Oh here we go.

>>49758757
I liked it

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>>49755673
>Europe or the Americas

What does that have to do with a made-up fantasy world, you Tumblr autist?

>>49759222
Having it from the start doesn't make them precious though. Might as well be in a heated amphitheatre at that point. If the dense overgrown forest has no mechanical effect, whether it be bonuses to Hide/Scavenge or penalties to Athletics or Drive, then apparently it's not actually all that dense or overgrown.
Especially considering how low impact low levels of fatigue are. I'm not >>49758806 but I don't get why people feel the need to prevent every little actual penalty or hindrance their character might encounter like it's their Sonic OC or some shit either

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>>49756350
>Watch better anime
>Freeform RP
Pick one
It was probably the early 2000s anyways given certain criteria necessary for Freeform. Nothing was really that good.

>>49755954
I'm the anon you responded to. That situation did not actually happen.

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>>49757116
>7 monsters roll a saving throw
>7
>4
>8
>2
>17
>6
>1
>players rolls a saving throw
>15+
EVERY FUCKING TIME.
[spoilers] sometimes I just pretend the monsters passed/players failed so that I can actually use the monster's special ability at least once in the encounter[/spoiler]

>>49756296
I'm the opposite.
>10
>No, I need a more decisive roll.
>[something less than 5 or greater than 16]
>There we go!

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>Everyone roll will saves.

>four
>five
>one
>I got one too
>w-why what happens to us?

>How the fuck would YOU know?

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>>49761849
>it's a Shadowcrafter's illusion designed to fuck with people who succeed at the save, by being 105% real to disbelievers and just an illusion to everyone else
>so none of the funny shit that was planned happens

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>tfw you never fail a Constitution check because you're AMERICAN

>>49755673

"Your character's mom"

If their character's mom is dead:

"Your mom; if [bad guy] hadn't killed her she'd have died of syphilis. Before you try to yell at me that it's not always genetic, you caught syphilis last in-game week from a whore. Also your mom was a slut before she died now, and it's all because you tried to stop yourself from having syphilis by applying real-world logic to a fantasy world. I hope you're happy."

>>49755727

Why don't you come up with your own answer?

After all, anon: it's fantasy. Anything goes. Realistic or unrealistic of an explanation as you please.

>>49756296

Just stop showing up; find a new game online anon.

>>49761983
It took me a second, but that was clever.

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>DM has rogue roll for stealth
>Rolls well
>You think nobody sees you
>Every guard in the vicinity throws dust of appearance, revealing her.
> "One guard saw you, prepare for combat"

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>>49762582
>tfw you're the GM and the party will live or die next week basically based on whether the Bard's roll of 11 Disguise (which he is, according to the rules, not even allowed to know the result of), can pass scrutiny of the royal guard, the king, his personal wizard and his staff, and half a city worth of spectators behind them
I don't know if I should just trust in the PCs' ability to bluff, bluster and magic their way out of this or if I should prepare some ridiculous emergency to interrupt the great flubbening about to transpire

>>49762714
I would allow the party members to be able to determine if the disguise is good or not. If you fuck up a disguise and look like a tranny, surely one of your party will go "No one in hell is going to fall for this"

>>49762761
They knew it wasn't good. The Bard went "trust me it'll work" and they went along.

>>49759771

It was so that context was made apparent and that he knew syphilis didn't come from fucking native people.

you reactionary ass.

>>49755767
The Inca DID have syphilis, but they were attuned to it the same way that Europeaners were attuned to smallpox. It was a problem but not one that would result in them all dying en masse.

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>>49762772
Fucking bard players

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>>49762761
>>49762772
Brutus answers the call.

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>>49755224
>I was in the bathroom
IT WASNT THAT SPICEY WAS IT GM!?

>>49755892
Nice.

>>49758806
so why tell them that they'll be spending time on a desert planet

the best way to fight metagaming is to prevent the possibility of it

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>>49757464
>Bring this up in one of our sessions witha new GM as a joke.
>High elf rolls it as a joke.
>99

>Running a game set in a quarantined plague town that is gradually worsening ala Pathologic
>Con saves
>Con saves fucking everywhere
>Everyone is at stage 2 of the 6 stages of infection with no cure in sight
>The fighter has literally made every single save so far and is absolutely fine.

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>>49760284
One time my character in 3.x/pf took a point of permanent strength damage. Mostly because my GM forgot how poisons worked in core.

Rules-lawyering enough prevented the second part of the damage, which was something like 11 temporary score damage. He was going to make me take it on the second turn after being poisoned with no save. Thats not how regular poisons do. I even knew which poison it was.

That said, i'd still taken the -1 permanent str. So since my characters entire thing was strength, i'd have him grumble about it at times he might have otherwise hit, or killed. I wasn't able to get rid of it for a while because i needed restoration, not lesser, and the only priests in town had been driven out by the head official because he was going on about some shit about "The temple of pelor has not protected us as they should have", despite most of the issue's being solved by us and most of them not having anything to do with the temple or its jurisdiction. wererats stealing shit all over town. Us being attacked in a dark alley. Things like that.

All in all, it was really well played, and my character had been saying since the king initially announced this that it was probably mind control. Gave solid reasoning too. of course, no one believed my character. A couple party members did, but the rest of the town remained skeptical. So when we sit down in front of the head official and i mention that it wasn't even the temple's job to deal with any of this shit, but the town guard, his character faltered and repeated himself in the same glassy tone, and a mindflayer walked in.

Pic related is the GM's rendition of what the other half of the party heard while they were being promptly attacked by the mindflayers ogre ally in the hall. All said and done, the things were dead, the official knocked out, and the priests were back at the temple the next day to heal me.

and thats the story of how i got my STR back.

We, the people of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union...

>>49762582
>rando guards having dust of appearance

Fucking bullshit.

>>49764559
Depends on the guards

Plebs at a bumfuck nowhere watchtower or bandit camp no, royal guard or bodyguards of someone important possibly

>>49755224
Don't fret, sometimes I tell players to roll checks for no reason just to keep them from metagaming.

>>49764747
The majority of guards wouldn't have dust of appearance. Rather, thats something thats extremely odd for an entire regiment to have, unless they have an issue with invisible people.

On top of this, how the fuck was the person seen that they needed to use dust of appearance?

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>>49764559
I wouldn't go so far as to have dust of appearance on random guards (shit's expensive) but in a world where people can turn invisible and this is generally a known thing, I would definitely have the occasional guard carry some sand or flour or something. At the very least you can throw that stuff on the floor and watch for footprints.

Similar thing with shapeshifter defenses involving passwords or mindrape inspection day. Nobody likes mindrape inspection day, but that's what you signed up for.

>>49764830
Every guard, everywhere, in every land, has an issue with invisible people.

>>49764872
Fair enough, but as >>49764868 points out, shits expensive. Unless they are being given that shit and its being treated as an expense, it wouldn't make sense for rando guards to have it. Like he said, flour or some shit would also work. You are invisible, not intangible.

And no one has said anything about how that singular guard saw him and all of them threw dust at once, with no communication, while someone was fucking invisible. If they heard him, maybe. If they'd had cause to believe he was even there, maybe.

But for an entire guard regiment to throw dust of appearance at you at once while you are likely invisible for all intents and purposes (which is the only reason to use dust of appearance specifically), that is obviously the DM saying fuck you, you are fighting.

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>>49755224
>immediately begin to worry about His choice of "healthy snacks" he gave us earlier...

>>49764747
Every fucking guard had them

We were level fucking 2, our dm just had a hard on for hating rogues I guess, since whenever she tried to sneak or escape artist, he would find ways for it to fail

>>49755892
AAAAAAAANOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOON!

>>49766831
The GM probably either hated the player or had a rogue break their campaign over their knee before.
It reminds me of GMs that try to run a mystery in D&D and then contort the universe to fuck over divination casters.

I will never understand the philosophy of not letting your players excel at what they excel at.

>Running a high magic setting.
>The party knows that they are in a city that requires a permit to utilize magic within its borders.
>The party knows made the checks to know that the guards have several divination and abjuration wizards, as well as a few clerics on call.
>The party get caught in a fight and buggered out before the guards showed up.
>The players complain when the guards detain them after the CSI'ing the shit out of the crime scene (mundanely, magically and divinely).
>All the guards wanted to do was get the parties side of the story and potentially recruit them to help hunt down the people responsible for the attack on them.
>The party assumes I'm trying to punish them for no reason and immediately try to bust out and gtfo.
>The party is now wanted for resisting arrest, unlawful use of magic and the resulting damage to governmental property in the escape.
All they had to do, and I made it clear all they had to do, was just tell their side of the story to get off. ffs

>>49766944
I should mention that the escape artist part always ended with either her rolling 20's and escaping or rolling 19 or less and getting the response "The ropes and gag are magic, and you can't remove them."
It was rather annoying when the whole of our party couldn't do anything sneaky when our gm had such a lust for rogue hatred

>>49759300
Concentration is a constitution skill in 3.5.

>>49755759
Fun fact: The common cold comes from horses.

>>49766955
That's what you get for such blatant railroading.

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>"I check for traps."
>Rolls a 2
>"You don't see any traps."
>"I dunno know if I trust that guy. I'm gonna check for traps too."
How do I stop my players from doing this?

>>49768902
Rape them.

>>49768902
Tell them that the they should trust the rogue who has helped them through their travels

If someone else checked for traps call him an idiot and get an expert

>>49768902
Either explain the concept of meta gaming to them, or make those kinds of rolls for them behind the screen.

>>49767202
How the fuck do guards get magic ropes

and why the fuck would they even make magic gags

also why the fuck do they even have those

What did the player do to the GM kill his cat?

>>49769376
>How the fuck do guards get magic ropes
Taxes from adventurers.
>and why the fuck would they even make magic gags
Have you seen what a low-level wizard can do?
>also why the fuck do they even have those
Because adventurers are fucking powerful.

>>49760723
Early 2000s indeed. It was a metaverse crossover that was basically "Holy Grail War goes out of control, featuring Dante from the Devil May Cry series"

>>49769437
What does a magic rope even do, just make it harder to escape?

Or do they provide....other functions

>>49763265
I got AIDS from eating this

>>49768902
Don't let the players see the roll.

>>49757305
Fuck off

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>>49755224
I'm good. 100% Prime USA beef here. I get a +5 to constitution checks.

>>49755727
PRAISE NURGLE

>>49756271
I havent seen jizz in my pants in a long time but i rang in my head as i read the punch line

>>49755673
PRAISE SLAANESH

>>49766955
Never capture the party. They'll almost never talk their way out. 99% of the time they'll assume they have to fight their way out.

>>49756372
You've teased my erection for far too long anon. What's the story here?

>>49768902
kek, my character is a gullible idiot and another player got really pissed at me for not doing this

>>49755224
> fail my constitution check for the first time in two year campaign
> semi-wake a day later, naked and hanging upside down, sedated to the gills and listening to boyfriend being told I murdered his sister, never loved him, was only using him the whole time
> then get tranqued back into unconsciousness

Fuck d20s and fuck fort saves.

>>49767547

How's that railroading? The players were given more than enough choice. It's simply consequences for their actions.

>>49755673
A bard, probably.

>>49764362
Just give him immunity and make it a plot point.

>>49759477
>>49759570
oh sorry i was late, ummm nigger nigger, white semen, black cock? more like, poor cock? and all elves are chinese people cause they got slanty ears and tolkein was gay

>>49769585
Don't eat images, anon. They're all compressed. It's bad for your insides.

>>49755673
You caught it from a prostitute who slept with a sailor returning from Maztica.

>>49769437
>magic gag

Is that an actual item or something?

or is the gm just making shit up

>>49755954
>If my players played the game I'd punish them for not playing the way I think they should
what are you, 12? If it bothers you that badly you tell them, don't be a passive-aggressive little bitch about it.

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>GM has everybody roll a SAN check out of nowhere

>>49755224
I'm a paladin I'll pass easily.

>>49768902
Why on earth would you allow them to roll to see if they 'find' the trap?

Use their base find trap score as a passive ability and then either inform them that the trap is there ahead of time based on that or tell them when they trip it. If they ask to search for a trap, have them describe how they want to search and inform them accordingly without rolls.

The same should go for stealth. You should only have players roll when they might have a chance of being seen. They should never roll a stealth check, know roughly how good their sneakiness is and then decide whether to go or not via metagame knowledge. They decide to sneak, and then the roll comes at the crucial moment - if they fail they are spotted, if they succeed they pass.

>>49757038
Can't find anything about "fucked into extinction". Care to elaborate?

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>>49768902
>You're in a some fucking scrub party of a drunk rogue, a pencil-thin barbarian and some wizard who hasn't even got a fucking spellbook or stars on his bathrobe.
>Enter the goblin rapist fort and its eerily quiet of the usual sounds of goblin rape.
>Rogue starts..."checking for traps"
>This involves vaguely waving his arms in font of him while standing on the fucking spot and going "oooOOOOoooooOOOOOOOooo"
>"Yeah uh I don't think you checked so good,I'm checking"
>"KEVIN STOP METAGAMING WHY DON'T YOU KEEP IT IN GAME AND IGNORE THE ROLLLZZZZZ"

>>49777015
>"No guys, I mean in real life."
>Everyone looks confused
>"thank you for rolling"
>Game continues as normal.

>>49766670
Who the fuck drinks a cosmic brownie shake and believes it's healthy for you?

>>49780874
People who trust each other

The story is why I have trust issues sometimes

>>49780637
I´d guess they fucked so much and needed to use the plant so often they harvested it into extinction.

>>49768902
>Rolls a 2
Can PCs know when they really fuck up? when I cook, and I fuck up I KNOW I fucked up, I small mistake can be imperceptible, but fucking up badly (like rolling a fucking 2) should be noticeable for the PC

>>49781787
if you want a realistic approach, it depends on a skill. If you roll performance for example, you should probably know you didn't do well. If you roll perception, you can't perceive that you didn't perceive well

>>49771109
consequences = railroading

players need to be coddled and burped every fifteen minutes or hellfire ensues

>>49769586
What if , depeding on thieir roll they got a number of tokens, and they can trade these tokens in to get a true anaswer from the GM on questions like is there a Trap or How to sabotage this specific trap. So they ´d have to prioritize what they need to know for this strech of the dungeon, before the circumstances change enough that they can roll again. What abot that?

>>49781787
For skill-type things, like cooking or climbing, yes it's obvious you fucked up, and the punishment is being unable to do the thing. For knowledge-type things like researching, detecting lies, or searching for something, it's not always obvious because you might have missed something, and the punishment is having to operate using false information. If there's no penalty and you can try over and over until you nat 20, why even roll in the first place?

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>>49768902
>"Okay, make a check to scale the cliff."
>3
>"Oh, you rolled a 3. You didn't make it more than a few feet."
>"I try again!"
>4
>"I keep trying!"
How do people handle players spamming repeatable tasks?
General advice on this type of scenario would be nice, not necessarily just my cliff climbing example.

>that fucking guy that pulls out the bestiary for every monster you throw at him
>gets confused when I change the AC or alter a stat slightly to combat this

>>49766831
Oh man I had a GM like that once.
>start in a random village
>"I need some money. My Rogue is going to try and pickpocket some tavern patrons while they're distracted by the Bard's performance."
>GM: "You can't do that since the village is full of psychic Paladin guards who are dedicated to punishing thievery and will almost certainly detect when someone is stealing."

I thought GMs this terrible were just a myth, a meme created by bored anons. But they are very, very real.

>>49782205
Start hurting them. Trying to climb a cliff side with your bare hands means bloodied fingers.
Anything physical like that can lead to minor damage. And if they end up getting themselves killed, it's their own damn fault for trying to brute force everything. You can hurt them materialistically too if you want. Suck at haggling? Lose some coin. Trying to perform some kind of impossible task? Break an item.

That sort of thing. Doesn't have to be overly cruel, just enough to show as a karmic warning.

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>>49782327
Smack him and take the damn book holy fucking Christ.

>>49782452
Fucking this. There's no point in complaining about it so passively on a message board. Unless he's playing as Volo himself, the guy is basically cheating at that point.

>>49781939
sounds pretty gud

>>49782205
Characters generally roll dice when faced with a task that is inherently dangerous, opposed by another character, or a binary pass/failure state (like a Knowledge check). 'Spamming' ability checks isn't really possible if you look at them that way. I'll give some examples.

>Inherently dangerous
When you try to scale a cliff and fail, you might fall and suffer harm, break your equipment in the attempt, and/or dislodge stones to make subsequent attempts harder. When you try to disable a trap and fail, you might trigger the trap in a way that harms you or an ally, you might somehow make the situation more dangerous, or you could only THINK that you disable it, only to trigger it when you try to bypass it.

>Opposed by another character
If you fail a check to arm-wrestle someone, you lose to them. If you fail to spot a character, you can't see them and trying again won't change that until circumstances change (like they move or you get a light source).

>Binary pass/failure state
If you fail a knowledge check, you don't know about something. That's... just about it. Not many others that fall into that category.

Regardless, the idea is that you shouldn't be able to attempt ability check over and over on the same task, or at least not without a loss of resources.

>>49782205
On the first roll, I just say that he fail no matter what he try. It's not just one action, it's his capacity to scale the cliff.
If he fail, it's just that the cliff is too hard (not enough grip for example) for his character to scale it.
If he want to retry, he must come with a better plan.

>>49780751
>Have had this joke used before on me at table
>Actually rolled
>15 minute argument about my stats
>DM says I'm fine
>Purple zebra disagrees, pees in his gardenias
>Never invited back

>>49755829
i once had the opposite situation
>"you think he is lying"