Warhammer 40,000 general

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>>49726572
Behold! I liked monkey man Magnus better.

>>49726597
AGE OF THE EMPEROR SOON!
PANIC
SELL YOUR MODELS WHILE THEY STILL HAVE VALUE!

Also, tomb kings and brets got squatted, who in 40k is going to go?
My bet is on Dark Eldar at least

(kikebook) /WarhammerTVteam/videos/266256350 436017/

3rd for plastic sisters of battle

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>>49726597
Here's a better shot.

Anyone know of any flock out there that would work on bases as blossom? Cherry style, for Tau.

Robute Guilliman when.

I can't wait for him to get up. Regal as can be. Millions supplicTe themselves before him. He stands mighty and proud. His sons look to him.

>My primarch. My lord. What will you do first?
>I'm going....
Robute considers for a moment
>TO UNFUCK ALL THAT PAPERWORK AND BEURACRACY.

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>>49726597
>>49726683
Remember the last time a big dude kicked of a narrative campaign?

>>49726651
Dark eldar, guard, slaneesh models, sisters, inquisition, most of the orks line.

>>49726683
But CSM already got their two year release in the form of kharn. Maybe this will make those annoying CSM players shut up about how the want the 3.5 Codex back

I don't even care if they are top-tier, mid-tier or shit-tier. I want some Thousand Sons as an ally force. I know it won't happen, but I'd give one of my eyes for them to be Battle Brothers with Orks.

A large horde of boys with a small Cabal of TS sorcerers pulling the strings would be cool, but not being able to target my Orks with any psychic powers is a real bummer.

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>>49726747

The one thing you get tired of over the years, is being right all the time

>>49726683
I want to say that a regular comes up just below his knee but I'm not sure. Anyone have any idea?

>>49726747
40k is death now and my bitterness is like those of the iron warrios now, might as well start playing 30k iron warriors before they get AoSred.

>>49726764
Craftworld is likelier to be squatted considering Death Masque than Dark Eldar.

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How's my flying?

+ + + Skyblight Swarm + + +

>Hive Tyrant (Wings, 2x TL Devourers, Electroshock Grubs) - 240

>3x Gargoyle Brood - 180

>Hive Crone - 155

>2x Harpies (Stinger Salvo) - 270

+ + + Endless Swarm + + +

>3x Hormagaunt Brood - 150

>2x Termagaunt Brood - 80

>Warrior Brood (Venom Cannon) - 100

+ + + CAD + + +

HQ:
>Hive Tyrant (Wings, 2x TL Devourer, Electroshock Grubs)

Troops:
>2x Mucolid Spore - 30

Elites:
>Venomthrope - 45

>2x Zoanthrope - 100

Heavy Support:
>Mawloc - 140

>>49726651
>My bet is on Dark Eldar at least

I doubt it. They have a relatively new, almost entirely plastic, model line, and from what I've seen, their kits are so good they still move product despite the shoddy rules. They might end up being rolled into one big "Eldar" book alongside Craftworlders and Harlequins, but I'd be very surprised if they were squatted.

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>>49726651
>>49726683
>>49726747
Old Maggie.
>>49726785
Bring out rock throwing lizards. That will take care of Chaos.

>>49726881
>Bring out rock throwing lizards. That will take care of Chaos.
Hehe

>>49726825
I feel like your comment raises a very interesting question of which army has the weakest sales?

>>49726881

Ooga booga where da Geordi LaForge visors at?

>>49726909
Use ctrl+s intead of manually writing spoilertags.

>>49726916
Easily harlequins

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>>49726916

D-dont touch my IG...

Why are people saying plastic sisters are real after what was clearly a bad joke?

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>>49726928
It annoy me way too

15 Years too late, 15 years too late.

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>>49726900
Imperials use rocks, Orks use rocks, and Nids use rocks. Which factions don't use the almighty rock?

>>49726651
>AGE OF THE EMPEROR SOON
Unlikely
Rumors have talked about plastic primarchs for months, and the same people who told us of that also said GW isn't planning on going the AoS route with 40k, just shaking up the lore a bit.
The release of magnus, as well as hinting at plastic sisters indicates that rountree really is better for the company, and won't kill a beloved setting just to make more money

So what do you guys this means for Thousand Sons or even CSM as a whole? What do you guys want from GW with what may be finally some support for CSM?

I am hoping that Tzeentch stuff finally gets more love outside of the usual "shoot hadoukens and cool save numbers" thing. Being a god of magic, one would expect some of the crazier shit from like DnD or something.

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>>49726683
>>49726747

Well I guess it's time to call it;

>Magnus the Red there will be the fore-front of the new "Age of Emperor" type game GW will steam roll
>Game will remove most of the bloat that gamers simultaneously love/hate at the same time
>Might actually keep points, but you can bet your ass that the majority of their kits will hit the fucking trash can. Clean slate, start again.
>rules simplified down to Advance/Barrage/Charge phases, or other dumb renames. Stats get butchered to a handful of 3+/3++/3+++'s, and all armies homogenize.
>Game will have points, but only in baby's first math lesson increments. 10's, 5's, and all units will be forced into that. squad of 5 tactical marines 50pts, so a squad of 10 is 100pts.
>Game will be "narrative driven" creating all the excuses they need to plop new toys on the shelves. Doesn't need to make sense, just needs to be manufactured and sold.
>Within the first months of release you'll have a swarm of novels and black library books to back up said shoe-horning, just so it doesn't look like this was made up on the fly by money hungry share holders.
>And everyone will hate it for X,Y and Z
>And everyone will say "why don't you just play Old Warhammer 40k if it's so great!"
>And everyone will miss the fucking point

forever and ever

Amen

>>49726651
Sisters and orks.

>>49726597
>>49726683
>image of Magnus first leaked through a broken box that was likely found in a trash bin or something
>officially reveals the model using trashbins
>makes a comment confirming the plastic Sisters rumors as a last laugh
Those cheeky fuckers. This is seriously making me almost like GW as a company.

Almost.

>>49726959
Eldar use stones, not rocks.

>>49726985
But those aren't true stones. Stones are meant to be used offensively against Chaos, not protect your soul from it! You're risking your life for others by smashing a rock in a daemon's face.

>>49726965
I don't think CSM as a whole are getting anything anytime soon.

I'm thinking there is just going to be a big focus on Tzeentch at first, doing something like a Tzeentch Daemonkin type of book. As for rules, well I just hope GW doesn't see the name Tzeentch and throw in a dozen random charts.

>>49726965

Your fucking birds get more content than Slaanesh

How about get fucked tzeentch slave

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>>49726959
>Imperials use rocks

Using rocks is wasting the Emperor's time and money, only heretics and xenos use rocks.

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>>49726963
>and won't kill a beloved setting just to make more money

>>49727013
I don't mind a Tzeentch focus as long as they do a good job at expanding that out of the usual, as I said, fireballs and saves thing.

>>49727016
Nigga Slaanesh is the only mark/playstyle worth using for CSM these days I have no clue why you're so mad.

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>>49727036
But Autek used a rock and look what happened.

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>>49726959
Necrons/C'Tan confirmed for stone patricians.

>>49727067

because there's not enough Slaanesh content you worm.

>more models
>a separate codex

You name it

>>49727016
>Slaanesh literally outsold 50:1 by every other gods in all GW stores

>literally doesn't exist anymore in AoS

>will get killed in a few month in age of the emperor.

>>49727070
Pls to explain

>>49726708
mininatur.de has cherry blossoms for 1:87 scale.
Also I once saw a guide on japanese cherry trees for 28mm. They used really small round plastic tilings, almost confetti like. You get them in handicraft shops (?) iirc, they are used for decorating tables and stuff. Then spraypainted white and maybe a little pink (don't remember exactly) and then you got your flock to be put on trees. dunno if it will look good on bases though. Better ask /wip/

>>49727070
And to this day he is still trying to find the BLUE chair.

Who else panic buying here?

>>49726963
>unlikely
Even though every sort of campaign book released recently leading up to some big shit going down or blocking us at minute to midnight like always.
Although this will probably coincide with the plastic Burning of Prospero box set

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>ordered $200 worth of books off black library

Oi vey. At least I got free international shipping because it was over $160.

There will never be plastic sisters.

>>49727092
>Slaanesh literally outsold 50:1 by every other gods in all GW stores
I'll just make up some obviously bullshit numbers, that will convince people reading my posts that I have a point.

>>49726953
It's a rather cruel joke to hear it officially

>>49726953
You think that. Sisters in February, anon.

>>49727146
It makes sure we all pay attention to the next few months of news and releases.

>>49727165
Months after my raging heroes army shows up, friend.

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>>49726881
Old Naggie.
Your point?

>>49727049
I'm just repeating what the rumormongerers said.
And seeing as in those same posts they talked about plastic magnus, that gives a lot of credence to those statments.

So not only have the RPGs been killed but now we get 40K End Times?

Dark days.

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>>49727165
>February
> 8ed probably in Q2 2017

Have fun with 3 months of playing. And then having useless piece of shit codex.

>>49727145
Next time you go to a GW store just ask :^)

Please ask Dan at the Tottenham Court Warhammer store and please film you face while doing so.

>>49727201
there's no 40k end times. it's already tge most profitable part of the business
they're not going to risk that on a huge shakeup especially after the fallout from AoS.
GW are greedy not stupid

>>49726683
>>49726597

Hes a goat legged daemon prince now? Wasnt he always just a big primarch dude in power armor?

>>49727085
Oh that I agree on, but they don't have less than Tzeentch. Counting everything one can buy for CSM and CD, they equal out. If you add Forge World, Slaanesh has more models due to 30k. If we keep it exclusively GW, unless a Fulgrim isn't released, Tzeentch will have more.

We fight the same battle.

Though the actual rules of the game seem to show otherwise as Tzeentch gives everyone the same saves thing and then the special magic shit is all basic DD stuff while Slaanesh gets far more interesting and influential abilities which are the only ones worth taking if you want CSM to actually kick ass. But then, I guess that equals out with CD being almost all Tzeentch based in terms of kick ass CD armies.

I guess both need more support period, which I am down for since they are my favorite gods.

>>49727092
Can you cite or give anything on those numbers?

>>49727219
If they do it like AoS, all the armies will be updated in a single book.

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>>49727095
During the Heresy all Iron Hands went crazy after Ferrus died, and Autek and IHs under his command were the unstable bunch. He did not like how some of brothers, Meduson, were fighting and decided all out assaults were the only thing a man like him should do. One world he ruined with radiation because they surrendered to Horus without a fight. But that isn't his claim to fame. Destroying Bodt, the mustering sight to the World Eaters was. How? By using all of his explosives to send the moon to Bodt, and he stole material relating to the Primarch Project back from the traitors.

>>49727092

>literally doesn't exist anymore in AoS

Not true. Slaanesh exists in AoS, he's just missing for now. More when the Aelves make an appearance.

>>49727201
No, 40k are not going end times. It's just a meme.
The setting is advancing but not ending.

>>49727253
Also, remember the Red Talons? Autek Mor was their founder.

>>49727237
He can look however he wants to look like, it could be that he just wants to look more Daemonic in his second go at Fenris.

>>49727237
10,000 years doing Chaos shit can do that to a person.

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>>49727241

How they fuck is this possible? There is 6 trylion of codexes + FW and this lazy company can't even fix some core fractions like Orks or CSM in years.

>>49727263
>advancing
Are you ready for the grim darkness of the 42nd millennium

>>49727189
>Old Niggae:
>big
>skeleton
>big hat
>big pauldrons
>staff
>sword
>robes
>New Niggae:
>big
>skeleton
>big hat
>big pauldrons
>staff
>sword
>robes

Meanwhile:
>Old Magnus:
>cyclops
>beard
>naked save for a loincloth
>New Magnus:
>not a cyclops
>armoured up
>no beard
>bird feet

>>49727306
He already explained how they would do it... The same way they did it in AoS. They just put out one book with the point values for all units in all factions at once.

>>49727306
Basically they released all the core rules for free.

They can change then whenever they want. Points go in a seperate book if you want to use them.

If they want to update points, they can do it by updating a single book, and change the free rules on their website.

>GW can't even balance standard issue stuff + a few heroes
>they bring in some of the 40k universe's most feared warriors
On a scale of 0 to Eldar how broken will the Primarchs be?

>>49727241
Wait how does AoS even pull that off? Will they even be able to do it once all the factions actually have real units instead just a small group at the moment?

>>49726959
Tau use Pulse Rocks, Nids use Bio-Rocks, Dark Eldar use Poisionous Rocks, The Emperor reincarnates as Dwayne, the mightiest Rock in the galaxy.

>>49727360
-3

>>49727362
All the points in one book, for all armies.

Free unit rules on the website. They can alter rules on the website if they want to update that, and then put out an updated book.

Single book army updates for everyone.

>>49727360
Hopefully like 30k. Powerful on their own and grant sweet buffs, but fairly easy to take out when they lack support.

>>49727360
6 out of 10. They will cost fucktons of point, occupy Lord of War slot and be very powerful.

>>49727362
faggot, the small groups are what composes the faction.

literally just go to 1d4chan at that point.

>>49727360
All of the brick shithouse of the fw primarchs with none of the nuanced or interesting rules, just straight up ridiculous op effects

>>49727360
If we are to go by how each God is treated in the CSM codex:

Lorgar - meh
Angron - weak
Fulgrim - strong possibly broken
Mortarion - strong possibly broken
Magnus - underwhelming

If we go by what has been shown for 30k by Forge World:

Lorgar - broken as fuck
Angron - weak, pretty good if 40k fixes shoothammer
Fulgrim - meh
Mortarion - balanced good
Magnus - not sure not released yet

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>>49727366
>The Emperor reincarnates as Dwayne, the mightiest Rock in the galaxy.

>>49727362
There's 4 factions.

Then all the little subfactions are in there. You get better units as troops if you stick to a subfaction.

>>49727340
>>49727346

But points are only part of the balance. There are shitton of rules that might need rework for each faction. THere is a rumor about changing S vs T core mechanic for example. Then they would need to change necron gauss, eldar I-weapons, gravs etc. This is just the example, but there will be many cases like this.

Asking again, trying to get through the hype: can Grimaldus join a squad if he has his Servitors with him or are they treated as a whole squad?

Couldn't find a clear answer anywhere online.

>>49727425
Like I said, all the rules for units are on the GW website, for free, as PDFs.

They just need to update those.

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How are Black Templars doing currently ?

How valid is this:
>two 20 man mobs running along a LR Crusader
>said Crusader is carrying TH/SS Assault Terminators and Emperor Champion
>safely behind the Crusader drives a Rhino with Grimaldus and his Cenobytes, giving everyone FNP
>Whirlwind covering fire in the back
>[undecided] taking shots at monster creatures and tanks at range

>>49727306
Some things have combined profiles, almost all lose customization (a Crisis Suit is a Crisis Suit, with stock weapons every time).

Just like AoS.

GW just confirmed plastic Magnus. Mention of plastics Sisters of Battle in a few months. They have heard!

>>49727385
Oh, the website rules thing makes sense. Sounds like a pretty cool move from GW for that honestly.

>>49727398
No I get that, it's just that if all the subgroups/subfactions or whatever you wanna call those get expanded the way the main ones like Stormcast, Khorne, Seraphon, etc. are, then to fit all the rules would make the book Infinite Jest tier thick. But if a lot of the more unique unit specific rules are just on their website and they just do points mainly in the book, that makes more sense.

You have to write ideas for an upcoming Wh40k cartoon
Do your best

>>49727460
all guardsmen party: the animated series

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>>49727451
All units have customisation. There's weapon choices and stuff, stop lying.

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>>49727451
That would be terrible. Already have this nightmare boring stuff in my Necron Codex, i started IG to get more customizable army and now this? Fug

>>49727460
I call it "The Life and Times of a Dark Angel". It's about how one DA tries to make it to the Deathwing.
>>49727476
Or this. This is probably better.

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>orks will never be good

>>49727448
One combo that I'd bring would be Scout Squads in Land Speeder Storms rocking a Vet Sarge (your "initiate" leading the neophytes) with either a power weapon, combi-weapon or melta bombs depending on what you want to fight. Give everybody CCWs, charge out of your open-topped vehicles.

>>49727515
Cheer up, Orruks are one of the most powerful armies in AoS. There's hope yet.

>>49727515
Weren't they good back in 4E?

>>49727515
It's a meme NPC race, what you've expected

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>>49726976
>announce new plastic sisters
>guys they're totally going to squat Sisters

>>49727460
Wacky family friendly adventures in space, with each faction being boiled down to a comedic stereotype (i.e. the Marines taking themselves way too seriously, the Inquisition being over-reactionary and suspicious of everybody, the Tau being total nerds who don't grok social interaction and so on and so forth.). Very comedic and light-hearted.

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Here you go.
I know some of you will use this image well.

>>49727452
It was a joke man

They better release a loyalist primarch to deal with magnus otherwise it's going to be an easy win for chaos.

>>49727460
I would go with a Dark Heresy campaign style thing. Fun usual team dynamic stuff in the beginning, while they face smaller threats built more for their size that involve mystery to keep it intriguing.

As the show goes on, they'll become more integrated into the roles they were initially like amateurs for. So the adeptus sororitas girl character will become an actual sister of battle, the ambitious guy becomes an actual inquisitor, etc. At this later point the threats will become big enough where the main characters all still have to interact, but now with a more former close allies type of team dynamic going on.

Through the show there'll be appearances from the characters we all know and love ranging from Marneus Calgar and CREED to master troll Eldrad to biggest asshole in 40k Erebus to maybe even goddamn Doombreed.

Any close ups of the plastic thousand sons sprue from the video yet?

>>49727553
Why would they do that?

>>49727558
Angron, Mortarion and Magnus vs Guilliman and Russ.

>>49727543
>Throwaway one liner at the end of a video

>OFFICIAL ANNOUNCEMENT U GUISE

>>49727576
The Lion too.

Do we know if it's 40k 1k Sons or 30k ones? Really fucking hope it's the former.

>>49727544
I would make the Tau act like Jehovah's Witnesses.
>>49727576
You forgot the Lion sleeping in the Rock.

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>>49727569
Just these 2, posted them in the last thread.

Cont.

Why the fuck is captcha refusing to give me numbers now? I keep getting 2 random massive words in languages I can barely fucking read!

>>49727599
40k.


>>49727602
>>49727595
I'd not heard Lion. But I can see it.

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>>49727595
It would be fucking hilarious if the Lion ended up saving Fenris from Magnus.

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>>49727607
Lower left look like staves to me.

Also the ones in this picture on the right look like mutated arms

>>49727607
Thats just the chaos vehicle sprue

>>49727476
First episode: Everybody is abord the dropship that delivers the freshly-formed regiment to the frontlines. The main characters all introduce themselves and get short 8around three minutes or so) flashbacks to meaningful moments of their life and enough dialogue to get their personality and such across.
Then a orbital defense laser punches right through the craft's fuselage, sending the thing into the ground behind enemy lines, though our heroes survive. Still abord the downed vessel they prepare for the long track across hostile terretory to join up with the rest of the imperial guard. The main hatch opens, with everybody, though battered, looks hopeful as the sunlight starts streamiong into the craft.
Then a bunch of berserkers/orks/genestealers rush in and kill everybody in a orgy of blood and gore.
Episode two starts with an entirely different group, possibly on another planet.

>>49727628
I can see it working.
>Hear me, Magnus the Red, if anyone is going to beat that glass jaw of his it's going to be me!

>>49727607
Those are vehicle sprues and old chaos warrior sprues.

I was about to get into 40k because I wanted a deep wargame with lots of ways to play and an interesting setting.
I'm not interested anymore if they're gonna casualize it.

Don't GW understand that making the game "more accessible" just puts of potential customers who want something complicated?

>>49727628
Just so he could destroy it himself.

>>49727654
The only thing 40k has is the interesting setting.

Go find a historical if you want deep wargaming.

>>49727634
Thats just the mkIII plastic sprue

very concerning that they refer to it as a thousand sons kit though...

>>49727654
Infinity might be a better fit for you.

>>49727634
>mutated arms
>implying the rubric curse is reversed
>loving it
>>49727674
confirmed for 40k by Atia

Which armies can stand against an Eldar (wraithknight and all cheese) and even win?

>>49727710
iron warriors

>>49727670
The problem with historical miniature games is that every army is extremely similar.
The 40k setting allows for tons of different styles to play and they should embrace that.

>>49727710
Gravhammer can kill the wraithknights and probably wipe the bikes with Assault Squads.

>>49727710
The Mechanicum. Not the Mechanicus, it's older more glorious 30k counterpart. Space Roman Super Science is superior to Catholic Space Nazi Super Science and Space Elf Cheese.

>>49727710
Space marines and daemons. Maybe GSC.
Necrons could possibly as well.

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Wasnt Fantasy Warhammer supposed to be taking place on a planet stuck behind a warp storm in the 40K verse?

And now theres this Age of Sigmar shit, that seems like its a sort of prequel to 40K, but doesnt really line up with 40Ks backstory?

Is Sigmar supposed to be the Emperor?

Im still confused about it all.

>>49727710
Based on recent tourney results:

White Scars Space Marines abusing the Hit & Run rule that White Scars specifically have

Chaos Daemons running that new FOC that allows them to have one Daemon Prince of each god (so four total)

Renegades using MASSIVE amounts of Plague Zombies as super effective tarpits for their artillery options.

Necrons of some sort.

Tau: Mobile Suit Gundam edition

Also recently there has been a popular Warp Spider centric Eldar build, too.

>>49727255
his daemons are all over the place in AoS. And while his dudes haven't gotten an update the same true for nurgle and tzeentch compared to the I-get-all-the-chaos-release-slots-coz-I-bribed-the-developers-with-khorneflakes god

>>49727770
They weren't connected.

>>49727770
No, they aren't connected at all anymore.

>>49727770
They weren't fucking connected.

>>49727486
Where is the point costs for the weapons?

Or is a th/ss/cyclone termie costing the same as a sword/sb fine?

>>49727770
That was like 25 years ago. They are not connected anymore.

>>49727458
Let's put it this way. Visually, all models are grouped into 4 factions. Beyond that, the subfactions which are current armies.

You get a bonus to stats if you take a formation. But guess what? You can field any model in the game in your army list. No force org, no faction restrictions. Magnus can lead the Space Wolves and their Riptides.

>>49727425
Aos did away with army rules.
It's model rules all of it.

>>49727543
Two years after releasing some new models for Fantasy they were cut.

>>49727812
They were never connected. They played around with references for fun.

>>49727809
Options are free, but (more or less) balanced against each other. You pay for your dudes per batch, formations cost extra.

>>49727770
40k was in a box on a wizard's shelf. Not the other way around.

>>49727708
It's for 30k.

>>49727838
And the power armour, chainswords and bolters on chaos champions were just peoples imagination.

>>49727628
But the Luna Wolves/Sons Of Horus were the best and greatest Legion of that time. No way this old fart was gonna get Warmaster. Hell Rowboat and Sanguinius were far more eligible than he was.

>>49727838
Alright, let me correct it then that there were 'implications' that they were connected.
I mean, the Sigmar = Primarch thing was a pretty obvious idea anyway, so it wasn't exactly very outrageous an idea.

>>49727809
Yep, fine. 4 would cost as much as 6.

Say 250pts for 3, 4 would cost 500. Formations cost points too.

These points are just for highlighting how it works, not accurate to balance.

>>49727851
So no reason not to take the most expensive option on everything because it's free.

>>49727410
You forgot Perturabo.

>>49727486
Why would you ever take a flail over an axe?

>>49727896
Sure, but everyone could do that.

>>49727896
>expensive option
>free
I don't think you understand how this works.

>>49727882
Is that how yhe GH does it?

That's disgusting tier math that...
Oh, drives sales.

I bet they make the break point one model above box content.
To maximize the hot-dog effect.

>>49727410
>Logar
>Broken in 30k
>Morty
>Balanced
Are you retarded?

>>49727517
Thanks but I prefer to stick closer to canon and that directly violates it.

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>>49727866
Nope

>>49727946
For the termies I used, it'd be 3, 6, 9.

>>49727933
A option that would previously have its potence counteracted by its prohibitive pricing now the same as the budget option reserved for bubblewrap.
Then.

>>49727915
There are various effects, magics and such with effects like adding 1 to a roll or rerolling the to-hit/to-wound roll
If your army has many of those effects there may be reasons to prefer the flail (I don't actually play Chaos, that's just the basic concept for which choosing flail could be an option, I don't actually know if Chaos has such powers)

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You guys have spent the last 10 years bitching about this game, and now your in full panic cynicism because the game is changing. Despite the good things that have come since the change in leader ship.

Talk about fear of the unknown

>>49727946
>I bet they make the break point one model above box content.
no they use the box content or half the box conent at least what I saw

>>49727996
Isn't that apart of the tag line?

>>49727996
I want AoE to happen, personally

People bitch about the loss of table for wounds and hits when 90% of the game is already 3+/4+

>>49727410
>Angron - weak

He kills anything that isnt buffed up Lorgar or Horus, he's the squishiest primarch and the killiest, though if he isnt in close combat he's not doing much but then again you dont play World Eaters to not focus on close combat.

>Fulgrim - meh
Outside of Horus he's easily the best primarch, he both buffs his army anyway you want it as he can choose his warlord trait and his primarch buffs are all good, plus he's one of the best close combat primarchs so far. Fulgrim is a swiss army knife of awesome, not meh.

Mortarion is meh and so is Dorn.

>>49727909
Oh shit you're right. A version similar to his 30k one would be sick. Chaos can benefit more from units that give varying interesting benefits to other units plus have more merit in special abilities rather than the usual straightforward shit you can pull with Chaos Lord or Daemon Prince.

>>49727958
Mortarion is fine. He's very good against more infantry type stuff while heavily armored vehicles with big guns on them might give him some trouble. So he's not overpowered nor underpowered.

Lorgar normal is pretty underpowered, but Transfigured he's easily the best Primarch.

>>49727996
I, for one, look forwards to 8th/AoE.

>>49727968
Theyd probably do boxes of 4 in that case.

So one box gives you an extra that you can either "waste" or include all 4 but pay for 6, leaving a 2 model "deficit", or you could buy 2 boxes and "waste" 2.... and it goes on.

>>49727996
people are always fearful whena new edition codex comes a callin. Mostly because it invalidates much of an army and you need new models for no reason or its time to break of the arms of your dudes again

>>49728047
What bottom bitch do you play?

>>49728046
>Can move 12" through anything and charge
Also, I don't know if it's because I play IW bitter legion best legion, but I've wrecked Logar Transfigured's boi pussy with Pert quite a few times.

>>49728073
IG, now GSC.

>>49727866
Its probably the new 1ksons kit, no reason for that kit to not be MkIII stuff plus mutated bits and 1kson iconography.

Then there's the Burning of Prospero stuff which is for 30k and has MkIII stuff.

>>49727946
Here's how it works, just as an example:
MSU chaos warriors (5 guys) cost, say, 100pts.
Now, you can choose to add another MSU's worth of dudes, i.e. 5 more guys, which, obviously, brings up the cost to 200pts. Or you can add 10 for a combined cost of 300pts for the entire 15 dude unit. Most units cap out at four times their starting size.
The whole unit carries either a pair of handweapons, greatweapons, handweaposn and shields, or halberds. These weapons are mostly balanced against each other. Dudes with greatweapons wound better, but dudes with shields get a secondary save against magic, that sort of thing. Point being, they are free to replace because they are not upgrades, but sidegrades (for the most part, there are some choices that are clearly superior)

>>49728071
As long as they dont invalidate models entirely or condemn them to limbo as counts-as i don't fear much.

>>49728047
Same, maybe this time GW wont leave Black Templars out hanging dry with no support and I'd welcome a new ruleset.

>>49728059
That's not how it works, it's actually well done and matches to what you can do with a box. Like the other anon said, a single box or half of a single box.

>>49728007

>>49728041
Angron needs to actually get up close for his shit to work though. I won't disagree that he has some of the best close combat. But that's just it for him though, unlike Fulgrim he doesn't have anything in particular that lets him close to distance super fast.

Fulgrim can be hard to hit (in combat) and he's fast so he doesn't have similar problems to Angron, but his weapons and attacks are mad weak though except the insta kill rule on his upgrade. He needs to go first for all his shit to actually work.

Ignoring in-game effectiveness, which of the basic infantry weapons is the deadliest, or most effective in your opinon? Basic infantry weapons meaning bolters, lasguns, splinter rifles, pulse rifles, etc.

>>49728104
I know.
Its the clearly suprior "no-choice" that worries me, like say th/ss vs vanilla.
Both options have become iconic but one upgrade at runs 2/3 the models base cost.

>>49728085
Lorgar has no business throwing down with the big shit, he's a force multiplier and mostly there for cheerleading.

>>49728142
Shuriken guns imo.

>>49728142
Against what?

the sister thing better not just be a fucking joke

it's just a joke isn't it

>>49725865
Tell me if my statistics is crazy off here, but you just roll how you usually roll and add up all the 1's.

Then you roll a second dice for each 1 you scored, where any additional 1's mean a termy failed his save.

>>49728142
necron gauss stuff

>>49728192
Of course it is.

I just noticed, do harlequin jetbikes suffer an initiative penalty for charging through cover?

Regular harlies have flip belts so they ignore it but these guys have neither flip belts or assault grenades.

>>49728163
Sure, but Terminators and Assault terminators are different units anyway, so they could easily priced differently, couldn't they? Or am I misunderstaning you?
I mean, simarines have three flavors of paladins, each a distinct unit type, and the ones with the most melee punch cost more than the rest.

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Is this a known sprue? The left half reminds me of the mutation sprue, but I am fairly sure those had more empty spaces.

>>49728142
Tau Fire Warrior's Pulse Rifle.

>>49728142
>Ignoring in-game effectiveness

Fluffwise Gauss Flayers are objectively the most advanced basic infantry weapon, power themselves, maintain themselves/regenerate damage and have a similar raw damage output to the other top-tier weapons while also breaking molecular bonds (virtually removing any special kind of defence armour has other than density and thickness, no angling or defraction for you!)

>>49727996
Because the last time they updated the fluff on mass it was the equivlent of "rocks fall everyone dies" to a setting.

>>49727962
Are Land Speeders not fluffy for Black Templars? Isn't their thing all about initial airstrike (pods, speeders, THawks) and then armored siegebreaking?

>>49726651
Nobody you fucking retard.
The made to order system is the exact opposite.
Jesus christ how can you be so fucking stupid?

>>49728268
Its new. I've never seen anything even like it.

>>49728142
I would say splinter weapons because it shoots poison that can affect robots

>>49726825
Tomb kings had a lot of new miniatures and characters and even then they were squatted

>>49727558
Have you read the fluff? Magnus could not even defeat a tenth of the spqce wolves.

>>49728398
Didn't some of the Magister Templi (who are proven to be far inferior Psykers to Magnus) rip through dozens of Wolves with their minds during the battle for Prospero, even before the buffs from Tzeentch and the Rubric?

Or are you referring to the post-heresy battles, in which I seem to recall Magnus only sending a projection of himself (might be misremembering though).

>>49728343
Yes, Black Templars recon squads are land speeders, bikes and mechanized squads instead of scouts. Though the initial airstrikes happens at the same time as the armored breakthrough, like a creeping barrage that covers their advance.

Russ is coming back as well my nigs the rumors were true we gonna have a dust up and slight plot advancement in 2017

>>49727996
Дoвepяй, нo пpoвepяй

>>49728114
They did say in the commentaries of their fb page thay somethint was coming for BT, that they had not been forgotten.

>>49728433
>>49728343
>>49727962

LSS Scouts make sense to me.

>hey helbrecht, these mechanicum fucktards gave us a bunch of land speeder transports but they can only fit neophytes in light armor!
>well fuck me sideways and call me Tau, what ever will we do? Hey you, older Initiate, go put on some carapace, grab a power sword and lead those noobs into GLORIOUS CLOSE COMBAT!
>DEUS VULT

I've missed things, where are these plastic sisters rumors coming from THIS time?

>>49728481
https://www.facok. com/WarhammerTVteam/videos/266256350436017/

>>49728481
Warhammer TV.
Why haven't you liked this page already?

I said Brettonians and Tomb Kings would be back, and there's Made to Order to bring them back.

I said Sisters of Battle in February, and they seem to be coming.

Anyone want squats for summer? Maybe autumn.

Also Grot Army guy, you remember our bet?

>>49728481
Fourth post in this very thread, dude. Open your eyes.

>>49728481
GW made a joke or is it?! about how they put SUPER SECRET SHIT in this red trash bin, one of the employees working inside this bin finds plastic sisters of battle.

Its a cheeky joke which may or may not hint at plastic sisters, I think it does just not in the near future, possibly next year to coincide with the new rule set.

>>49728522

Oh there. I don't have kikebook, so fuck me. I guess.

Can I use Talon Strike Force as Ultramarines?

>>49728398
Magnus refused to fight until the end and lots of the Thousand Sons also followed suit. A lot also fought but didn't go all-out.

>>49728435
Actually Thousand Sons / Wulfen 2 were rumoured to be end of October. It's kindof like how Kharn got leaked a few weeks before Traitor's Hate and officially announced on Warhammer TV a few hours later. Same thing with Magnus.

I'd expect an official announcement either next saturday or the one after, but I think by the end of this month we'll have more pics of the release or know what the release will entail.

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>>49726572
I want to apologise to space 0din because GW obviously won't give orkz a new codex before age of the Emperor and his homebrew faggotry will be the closest to a decent codex they'll ever get, damm them, damm them to hell

>>49728398
What? Thousand Sons lost because Magnus TOLD THEM TO LOSE. How many times do we have to go over this? By ensuring that his own legion gets their asses kicked, Magnus is the first guy to ever legitimately outplan Tzeentch. Magnus only "lost" to Russ at the end when Magnus was being triple teamed by Russ and his two wolves while also simultaneously concentrating on trying to counter Tzeentch and figure out what's going on through the entire planet. So again, Magnus was trying to go easy on the Space Wolves throughout.

Magnus the second time, this time also weak compared to his full power, managed to set back the Space Wolves' find for their cure a FUCK TON and the Wolves barely managed to make him go away afterward.

Magnus is mad powerful in the fluff and along with Angron probably the best showing of a Daemon Primarch fluff wise.

I feel that GW is just trying to get into 30k/big stuff more and more (with the epic rumors, not to mention that whole plastic custodes bit) and hopefully aren't pushing for an end-game. they just realize that heresy-related stuff is so popular.

>>49728569
Wouldnt be surprised if Fenris pt2 started this week, Burning of Prospero needs to be pre-released in the last week of October so the November WD coincides with it so that would mean the next few weeks are basically Fenris pt2 then last week of October is Fenris: The Prequel: Prospero Must Burn.

Wait, so if GW is pushing Thousand Sons and Space Wolves for 40k, and FW is soon gonna do Thousand Sons and Space Wolves for 30k...is this a joint release for Thousand Sons and Space Wolves coming up then? Are they trying to compete with each other? Which Thousand Sons stuff do I even buy?

Aside from 1kSons for Fenris pt.2, I hope Grey Knights get some new toys.

Grey Knight Bros WW@?

>>49728633
Possibly yes. I'm just eager as fuck to see this shit, truly. I want to see some rules more than models though.

>>49728648
>the same company is going to compete against itself.

>>49728671
Same, I need the rules to make an appropiate Custodes bodyguard for Dorn, I hope they are Agents of the Emperor and not a new army list.

>>49728612
My bet is that they want to do two things. One, engage new players who feel uncertain about learning a complicated system, and two, make games shorter.

The second point actually explains a lot of what they've done with huge models, since enormous points sinks make turns take less time. Same with shooty armies, since you don't have to move each model forward each turn. More super powerful shooting kills things sooner, lowers the model count and makes further turns take less time. So much of what they've done can be explained by assuming that they fell for the "millennials have short attention spans" market analysis garbage.

The first point is more complicated, because it's hard to gauge which rules are daunting to new players, especially if you've been playing for a long time. In particular we can look at AoS to see what they thought needed changing. Certainly they seem to think that large rulebooks are daunting (and expensive to print if everyone pirates). To-hit and to-wound charts are iconic, but I can see how they would think that it was a first glance turn off, even though I disagree. Plus static to-hit and to-wound have the added benefit of allowing kids to play small games by only buying a box of dudes that includes the dataslates, instead of buying the rulebook to get to the tables.

The question is, if we are to believe that GW's new management cares about stuff other than short term profits what do you think that they think is the largest barrier to entry into the game, because whatever the answer to that is is what is going to get cut.

>>49728731
Custodes are for 30k, anon. And are indeed, their own army list.

>>49728675
I was goofing around with that one, but still I am curious why do releases that look like they may come out together.

>>49728604
>I was only pretending to be weak!
Magnus changed his mind and tried to fight, only to get his ass kicked.
At least his pretense of trying to cheat Tzeentch was enough to get an offer of daemonhood, an offer the beaten, bruised Magnus was too eager to accept seeing as Russ almost had him.

>>49728755
>Custodes are for 30k

Not for long, Anon.

>>49726969
>Magnus the Red there will be the fore-front of the new "Age of Emperor" type game
Why do I get the feeling they're just ripping ideas out of TTS?

>>49726572
The assassins game, kill team, lost patrol, battle F calth, all of them were testing the waters for the new game system, the battle of prosperity will deal with psychic powers and other stuff before they release the new Age of the Emperor, expect guards wounding wraithknights with 5+ at shooting, templates and blast markers are going the way of the dodo, it's the end, I'll start to stuck up codexes and rule books.

>>49726597

ZOMG ITS TEH MAGNUS

>>49728654
Was just thinking about starting a GK force, but need to finish my traitor guard first.

I asked two questions in the last thread, but didn't get an answer:

1) How do you deal with AV14 as GK?

2) How would you attempt to approach an Eldar Wraith Host? (alpha strike? turtle up?)

I like the idea of bringing a few very tough squads to the table, but I'm not sure I grasp the strategies yet.

Magnus looks like a big armoured Illidan who let his hair loose.

I'm not entirely against this idea.

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>>49728268

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>>49726597
I've just noticed That he has TS as a faction instead of Daemons or CSM

Does that mean that TS are To CSM what BA/DA/SW are to SM?

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Which army has the worst fans and why is it Catachan?

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>>49728856

>>49727236
>not stupid
>AoS ever getting off the drawing board
>burying their iconic Space Marine statue under a staircase
>rehiring Ward
>"not stupid"

>>49728835
Thats the MKIII sprue

The heads are phobos bolters

The things on the bottom left of the right sprue are torsos with the armour tabard that MKIII has

>>49728807
1)Either Predator with Lascannons, Land Raider, Stormraven, or Melee.

2)You bend over or try to max Dreadknights/mind bullets and try to inflict damage before getting tabled.

They're great models and can usually hold their own against most of the non-top tier armies, but there are some clear flaws in the Grey Knights setup, because even being made to exclusively fight daemons, I have a hard time against them. And I bet Deathwatch, who do just about everything but Psyker phase better than us would not have as much trouble vs Daemons. They are a way better designed "elite" army and it hurt my soul each week we learned new stuff about them.

I can only hope Fenris Pt2 gives us a push in the right direction.

>>49728878
AoS got off the drawing board because whf wasn't selling at all. 40k doesn't have have that issue.

Who's that one commissar that drove exceptional numbers of conscripts to the slaughter? I remember him being Vostroyan or Valhallan.

>>49728773
>Magnus changed his mind and tried to fight, only to get his ass kicked.
After getting ganged up on.

>At least his pretense of trying to cheat Tzeentch was enough to get an offer of daemonhood, an offer the beaten, bruised Magnus was too eager to accept seeing as Russ almost had him.
Nah, the whole thing's pretty complex. You don't want the bad guys to win, but you don't want everything you worked so hard for to be gone, too.

>>49728878
>I only know memes

AoS is great now, and brought some new, enthusiast blood to the game. I for one enjoy seeing new faces in my shop, they're pretty chill.

Yeah that was bad.

Ward was great. His rules were solid among themselves. His fluff was a bit meh, but it was mostly 3 autists on 1d4chan blowing things out of proportions.

>>49728856
>Catachan
That's a funny way of spelling Tau.

Seriously, I'll take badly painted and assembled Catachan armies of any flavour over another grey plastic Riptide wing or similar Tau cheese.

With very few exceptions, Tau seems to attract the very worst people in the hobby. I've been playing since the end of 3rd edition, and I've seen exactly one well painted Tau army owned by a guy who was fun to play with.

All others were "lol super elite generals way of the water warrior" types who had at most primed thier models.

TLDR; you see an unpainted Tau army and irrespective of any other factors it is not worth playing with them.

>>49728914
It's not a commisar, it's a Valhallan commander. Can't remember his name though.

>>49728855
Hopefully yes, we'll get legion codexes or at least the 4 god-specific legions while the rest get shoved into what is now CSM.

>>49728945
No I found him, it's Commissar Chenkov.

>>49728925
>Ward was great
Has it come to this?

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>>49728914
Not a commissar, its Commander Kubrik Chenkov.

With everyone speaking about End Times I was wondering what evidence we have for all that besides that new "Space Wolves VS THE UNIVERSE" game.

>>49728986
>rumormongers list a bunch of upcoming things, including end times
>the other things keep happening
>deduce that the rumormongers weren't shitting us

>>49728963
How does he sleep at night?

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I don't get why people are so nervous or even scared of End Times or Age of Emps or 41k or whatever you wanna call it.

What could go wrong? Serious question, I honestly do not see any reason to worry.

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>>49728885

Post the sprue if you're so sure then, hot shot. Don't just run your mouth off.

>>49728961
LOTR is one of the best game GW has out put out, the Ilyanden supplement is very good as well, and his codex were perfectly sensible and adjusted with his other crunch wise.
That is undeniable.

Now his fluff can be like or disliked, it depends, but I never got problems with it. GK were hated because they were OP and their fluff with it. Exactly how Eldar and Tau are hated now. A few editions ago, both were normally considered, while GK were getting shat in by every neckbeard who wanted to fit in.
Where's the GK hate now?

So yes, Ward being back is a good thing. That and hopefully codex writers will finally communicate with each other to have balanced stuff from one book to the other.

>>49729074
>What could go wrong

They could completely change the game ive invested years and thousands of dollars into?

>>49726572

So the rules mega link in the OP just pinwheels forever at "Decrypyting Folder Data" for me.

Other megas work so I don't think it's a problem on my side.

Anyone else seeing this?

>>49729033
In a comfortable bed safely behind the lines.

Why do you ask?

>>49729033
By lying on a flat surface, just like everyone else, ya dingus.

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>>49729074

Are you stupid? Are you an idiot? Or are you just fishing for responses? After the shitstorm of Age of Shitmar you have the gall, the nerve, the ignorance to sit there and ask, "what's the worst that can happen?"

FUCK YOU

>>49729108
>>49729124

Absolutely no reason to think this could happen.

Keep in mind everything that went wrong with FB was done out of sheer desperation of the game doing like shit especially when compared to 40K.

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>>49729099

>ward killed fantasy for an edition with the demons book
>responsible for some of the worst 40k memes not to mention his rules
>he's good guys

>>49729114
>Behind the lines
Chenkov fought at the front and executed Commissars for not being zealous enough.

>>49728925
>ward was great
Go back to the Warp, Draigo.

>>49729074
Because those people like ti be able to complain and shitpost about some game they don't even play or stopped actually playing 10 years ago.
If the game becomes good, that'll mean they are wrong to not come back, that GW is a great company again and it's not dying like they have been saying for the past 10 years, and they can't be wrong now do they?

>>49727460

Mecha + space battles anime. LoGH style political conflict between Farsight Enclave, the Imperium, Tau Empire and backwater human colonies on the eastern fringe.

It starts out appearing to be a story of heroes overcoming impossible odds, with the Imperium and Tau Empire cast overall as being villains(though with sympathetic characters fighting for them). Hot blooded gundam fights everywhere.

Besides the Knight and Riptide rival pilots of the two big empires in the sector, there'll also be a rogue trader and some mercenaries who'll do some Firefly-like space adventures. And space pirate battles with Eldar. Obligatory qt Eldar waifus also, as well as a cute witch rogue psyker love interest for our heroes to have a rivalry over.

The series gets progressively darker after the normies get hooked. This is Warhammer 40,000, after all. Farsight's enclave, for example, could end up re-absorbed into the main Tau empire, and the main Tau hero takes up Farsight's blade after the ancient warrior finally falls. Chaos is slowly hinted at, people familiar with the setting will recognize it of course and get hype. When the cute witch who is everyone's waifu gets corrupted by Tzeentch and daemonic horrors kill off half the cast, the gloves will come off and the remaining heroes will get caught up in the no-holds barred struggle for survival that 40k is known for.

Space Marines don't have to be the focus of the anime to make it good, though since they're such an important part of lore, having one of the protagonists be a Space Marine(or get recruited and become one, provided he's not too old for it) would still be a good idea.

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>>49729074
Everything can and will be wrong, now begin with (you)

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Please tell me that those marked things is not the same stupid 'skulls breaking through skin' thing plaguing the new Chaos models like Archaon and several of the Bloodbound.

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WOAH BACK THE FUCK UP
CHILL THE FUCK OUT
DROP THE HYPE

for a moment and answer my questions
What's a good distribution of Russes in an Armored Battlegroup/tankspam army?

What should I take as buddies for BS4 commanders in Vanquishers who don't share their BS4 with their squadmates?

Is a Demolisher squadron ever viable or just too expensive?

>>49729033
On a bed made of dead Conscripts

>>49729137
People were literally saying they would never kill WHFB when those rumors were about but here we are

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>>49729168

>AoS is good

Shouldn't you be in your dead general

>>49729143
Again, his codices were solid when taken together. Unfortunately the game was already an unbalanced mess at the time, and that's not his fault.

>memes
You know damn right /tg/ has a autists that'll blow things out of proportions for the sole purpose of being angry and able to complain.

>>49729167
Still mad, Morty?

>>49729166
That doesn't mean that he doesn't enjoy the perks and safety of command by sleeping in a big comfortable soft bed in the rear when he isn't fighting?

He probably sleeps in a bed made of conscripts since that's his preferred tactic

>>49729190
They look like Trypophobia.
To be real, though. They have 1 point compared to the skulls minimum 2, so I'd wager they're like bone spikes.

>>49729209
It's still an enjoyable game, filthy anime poster.
And still a lot less dead than Fantasy, woopsie.

>>49729190
Those could have been at one point neural ports and tubes for his power armor. Maybe he grew a new layer of skin over it after becoming a daemon.

>>49729191
>HYPE
We're fucking panicking man, It's game over grab whatever you can will there is still something left.

>>49729191
As many as you can take.
Basic battletanks. Exterminator or demolisher are also decent for that role.
Generally too expensive. Mix one into regular squadrons or let them roam alone.

>>49729099
>his codex were perfectly sensible and adjusted with his other crunch wise.
Provided you followed his monobuild vision, and if I wanted to field a railroaded army I'd go play some vastly cheaper wargame.

Fuck GW! That Sisters shit can't be a joke my heart can't handle it.

>>49729190
God I fucking hate the skulls, ruins most of the chaos models

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>tfw my kommandos will get LAST CHANCE'd
>Ghazzy will become STEELKLAWZ™ WARLORD

>>49729191
>What's a good distribution of Russes in an Armored Battlegroup/tankspam army?
If you can see board between the Russes you don't have enough.

>>49729285
>also, orks suddenly become playable once more
Yeah, that sounds really awful.

>>49729191
What do you want your Russes to fight? What are their roles? I would run each tank individually since they count as troops in Armoured Battlegroup and you can ally regular guard if you need more. And you probably should take your infantry from there anyway

For the Armoured Battlegroup the Company Command Tank doesn't have any squad mates to take. I presume you're talking about Pask/Tank Commander from the regular codex? It really depends on what you want your other tank to do and whether you intend on using split fire or having them target the same unit.

Take a Commissar Tank and take beasthunter shells on the vanquisher

Do you really need to have more than a single demolisher firing on something? Wouldn't it be a waste?

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>>49729253
>>49729300
I mean distribution of tank variants guys. Of course I'm going to be dropping every last Russ in my collection on the table.

>>49729247
I'm panicking on the inside dude but I have an army to build and a game to play. I'll get on with my hobby while there's still a hobby to get on with.

>>49729285
>Last Chance
>What is Made to Order?

How does it feel to live without a brain anon?

>>49729329
Yeah, as long as you buy all the new STEELKLAWZ™ KLAWNOBZ™ models :^)

>>49729210
>Again, his codices were solid when taken together.
He's responsible for Necron Croissant Wing which roflstomped EVERYONE, including his previous bullshit codices. Start tripfagging so I can filter the anus drippings you call logic.

>>49729372
We literally have no idea what that will encompass, if it even exists

The facebook page of a rando store isnt exactly a confirmation.

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What does a competitive tournament Space Marine list look like these days in 7th ed?

>>49729410

dudes in drop pods with grav cannons

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>>49729372

>How does it feel to live without a brain anon?

That's a requisite for playing Orks

>>49729406
In 4 days you will realise the error of your ways, young one.

>>49729372
>no specific details on Made to Order
>hype train runs rampant, all models EVER will be available again and come with a complimentary blowjob
No Man's Sky taught you fools nothing.

>plastic sister might actually happen
>right after tax season

Fuck... I'm going to drop so much cash...

>>49729410
White Scars with biker guys and Grav Devastators.

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>>49728856
The faggot cannot shitpost if you disable his hand.

I remember there being a space marine chapter that crashed on a planet or something and orks killed most all of them off and theres something like 16 scouts left on that planet. Maybe they were yellow? Maybe something about tigers? I can't quite remember.

>>49729503
It's the Invaders and it the Eldar who did it.

Is there a Conscript-only formation for guard?

>>49729394
>1 unit
>Out of several codices
>ALL HIS RULES WERE SHIT YOU GUYZZZ

Hot damn, you don't need much.

>>49729465
Now it is preposterous to believe that Made to order will bring back really old models. The most reasonableand likely outcome is that models that got last Chanced will be back. The rest is ip to speculations. What is certain however if it does happen (and whyw wouldn't it?) Is that not other model will be LC'ed, because what would be the point with Made to Order?
Hence the original complaint of:
>muh kommandoz!!1!
Is plain stupid.

>>49729544
It would be a great formation, but nope. If you want to throw around nothing but hundreds of 3pt infantry you're stuck with either grots or renegades.

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>>49729342
About half of them are BTs. I have some Demolishers and would love an excuse to use them but with the amount of pieplates I already have I'm thinking of bringing out the specialists like the Vanquisher and such. Are the Exterminator and Eradicator ever superior choices to a straight BT or should I only take them when I'm on a budget?

>And you probably should take your infantry from there anyway
What's wrong with Armored Fist Veterans? I figured Tank Hunters would let me spam the fuck out of plasma while letting them threaten everything.

>I presume you're talking about Pask/Tank Commander from the regular codex?
Yeah. Obviously I put Pask in the sole Punisher I own but I have so far struggled with unnamed commanders. Before going full AB I've given them Vanquishers and never found a squadmate that had much synergy insofar as I didn't have to spam Split Fire to make them useful.

>Do you really need to have more than a single demolisher firing on something? Wouldn't it be a waste?
I guess not. I'll run them as the equivalent of MSU with AB.

>>49729533
While it was not the invaders, that led me to the "nearly destroyed chapters" article on 1d4chan. It was the Celestial Lions i was thinking of. Ork Snipers.

>>49729617
What's the easiest way to spam the shit out of them then? Or am I relegated to being some CAD-using normie?

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>>49728963
>tfw no Chenkov model anymore

>>49729779
>tfw captain al'rem model is useless

So what units do you wish had plastic kits you could customize? For me even though I don't play orks anymore I wish they would make plastic kommandos as they are one of the most unique ork units imo. Also some plastic havocs for CSM.

>>49729686
You can field up to 600 conscript-equivalents in a single Renegades and Heretics CAD if you pay a 45 point command squad tax for it.

If you have that many models lying around and want to lose all your friends, you should just pay for the 20 point Master of the Horde command squad upgrade, and then you can field up to 1200 conscripts in a single Unending Host formation, which respawn with outflank on a 2+.

>>49729836
Dang, I wanted to bring Karamazov and Imperial allies.

>>49729581
You tried to reason that his Codices were internally consistent, if that were true the Croissant would either be less viable or less spammable to keep it on-par with his previous codices. His Demons army book broke fantasy as another anon pointed out, that doesn't sound consistent either. There's other examples where his hamfisted writing has lead to infinitely exploitable builds, I just pointed out the most glaring example. It's not even Warmahordes style design where everything is so OP it all cancels out, it's just plain shitty game design. You either follow HIS GLORIOUS VISION and get a 'balanced' army that shits on non-Wardexes, you munchkin it and shit on EVERYONE until the next FotM, or you build a non-optimal list from the models you like and realize Wardexes are kind of dogshit unless you follow HIS vision.

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>AoE panicfags panicbuying all this shit
>GW notices increased sales, considers it hype
>yfw panicfags fueling the motivation behind the problem they're losing their shit over

>tfw plastic sister and Codex update will usher in a wave of fotm sisters players

I... I honestly don't know how I feel about this. I've been playing them for the better part of 12 years now.

Right now I have two vet sergeants with power mauls instead of bolt pistols but the squad is meant to shoot from inside metal boxes. Would I be better off replacing it with a plasma pistol (I know but they can't use anything other than one-off plasma otherwise) or a storm bolter and a combi-weapon?

Playing DA btw, basically I have 30 points to allocate among two vet sergeants that will be inside a rhino most/all of the time. Ideas?

>>49729885
The tax you have to pay for regular conscripts is actually kind of high, but yeah, you might just be stuck spamming CAD for that.

>>49729359
I'd say one specialized variant per two battle tanks and/or exterminator is a solid mix.
Vanquishers are only really worth it on a BS4 guy, don't bother otherwise, but with BS4 is the best option to take.
Punisher is crap. You need to sink a ton of points into it only to be still worse than most variants.

>>49729917

This cocksucker right here. Shitting up threads here and on 40k blogs and websites with comments about sisters even when its not revelant to the topic at hand and now he's not sure how he feels about sisters getting new shit because of 'band wagoneers'.

fuck off

>>49729918
If you're not wanting them to assault at all the only thing worth buying for them would be a combi-weapon of the same type as the special weapon the squad is equipped with.

>>49729917

If plastic sisters get released they'll probably get a special snowflake flyer or bigger penitent engine riptide equivalent, that looks stupid costs $80 USD, and has overpowered rules.

>>49729917
I'll probably get a small sisters army if they do. The only thing that ever held me back was the lack of plastic kits. Lore wise and looks wise they are some of the coolest looking armies.

>>49729917
Sshhh, nobody liked the smug DE fags that suffered through codex drought and then shitposted on /tg/ that they won tourneys before the update, don't make the same mistake.

>>49729965
No one has ever liked sisterfags.

>>49729962

This is my biggest fear.

>>49729956
Okay.

And it's not that I don't want them to assault (I don't), but a scenario where they're the assault party would be so desperate I've likely lost anyway, I've got a drop podding tac squad purpose built for close-range and CC and a backup pod of dev cents.

>sisters don't get anything new for over a decade
WTF GW UPDATE MY ARMY

>sisters finally get a plastic kit
WTF GW NOW THE FLAVOR OF THE MONTH WAAC FAGS ARE ALL PLAYING MY HIPSTER CODEX

Sisters players, everyone.

>>49729641
I can understand wanting to field the more specialist variants of Russes, I field a variety of them myself although its mostly for fluffy reasons. At the same time the bread and butter is still the standard battletank. And I do enjoy the Demolisher and Thunderer I just find that getting that close to the enemy is incredibly risky. I do run one Demolisher as the lead tank in my formation.

Vanquisher with CCT and Commissar Tank is a good choice. BS4 + Beast Hunter shells will reliably make your opponent have a sore head with vehicles and MCs threatened. Plus Commissar Tank is 6" LD10.

The Exterminator is excellent at light vehicles and can be an infantry killer if you kit it with 3 Heavy Bolters. It can also at a push serve for AA duty. I have an Exterminator as a fluffy choice for my "recon platoon" to give them a bit of a punch.

The Eradicator is good for urban warfare as it removes cover saves. Can be good for getting camping entrenched infantry out. I don't personally find a use for it but it is the cheapest Russ on the market.

Not a fan of the Annihilator. Lascannon's perform poorer than other variants. I do take Conqueror tanks for the recon platoon simply as a fluffy choice. It doesn't perform as well as standard russes with the smaller blast.

Punisher I also run Pask with. Don't think I need to say much more. You could platoon an exterminator with him and have an infantry killer team.

Executioner is good for Anti-TEQ but does have Gets Hot! Not much else to say really.

>What's wrong with Armored Fist Veterans? I figured Tank Hunters would let me spam the fuck out of plasma while letting them threaten everything

Nothing is wrong with them. The only issue is the troop slots being taken up by tanks already so I just tend to take my infantry from regular guard is all. I actually think that they're slightly cheaper than codex equivalents.