Horus Heresy General /hhg/

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Ave Dominus Nox

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first for pale nomads

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>>49712369

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I know the best way to start this thread off with. And it's not the traditional Calth post-Heresy song of "Remove Word Bearer". All of this talk about homebrewed legions has gotten me thinking, and here is muh II legion color scheme.

>>49712330
Why isn't there a link to the last bread and why isn't there a link to the white dwarf pdf we've had for ages but just need to add to the mega

>>49712416
My bad. >>49698335

>>49712413
>2nd legion
>godwyn bolter
KYS FAG
but seriously their Primarchs are kill, they have been stripped from all records, this is grim dark 30/40k not 'your dudes'tm 30/40k

>>49712330
>Immunity to Armor Fights Editition
>>49712413
Aww, I was almost enjoying my anger.

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>>49712413
Second color scheme. Decided to call them the Solar Moths.
>>49712462
It's all the generator had at the time.

>>49712462
>their Primarchs are kill
It's implied they are not and the first ever to die was Ferrus.

>>49712462
Great Crusade-era is quite literally the only time period where it's perfectly acceptable to run missing legions.

>>49712514
Not him, but it is implied that their legions were absorbed into the Ultramarines.

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Posted at the tail end of the last thread, reposting in the new one.

Name my Devoured, /hhg/

>>49712586
Put me out of my misery McJones.

>>49712462
Grim Dark? I thought this was Historical Reenactment The Game, but loyal IWs pop out each day.

>>49712586
'Little Angron' Rathor.
But give him two Power Axes.

>>49712586
Chainy McChainaxe

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>>49712586

>>49712586
"Little Angron" Axeyman.

>>49712586
Angron Jr.

>>49712586
His model bothers me because there is a blue panel on top of the blood stained one, which shouldn't be possible.

I still don't have a single problem with the Space Wolves.

>>49712611
How long have we known about Dantioh for? Everything happened just in vary amounts. It's like CoD having some experimental tank busting sniper that was only trialed in the fall of Berlin being used by every bloody soldier

>>49712586
The Unthinned Paint

>>49712668
Then go to /40kg and talk about it there, because we've had too many threads devolve into bickering, and we had some good lists and releases last thread

>>49712668
>I don't give a fuck about Wolves or wholly half of book 7
That's how I "don't have a problem" with those things.

>>49712586
Li'l Nail

>>49712514
No he isn't.

It's just that Ferrus was well liked or at least respected by all his brothers, therefore his death came as a shock

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>>49712632
M-MASAKA!!!

>>49712654
I figured the armour's red on account of the legion Techmarines getting creative, not just bloodstains. Besides, I like the blue shoulderpads too much to throw them out for the unit.

>>49712638
Heh

>>49712595
>>49712614
"Little Angron" Rathor McJones. Thanks, /hhg/

>>49712735
2000% Angry.

>>49712711
That's right. The traitors targeted Ferrus Manus because his killing power was feared and respected...

>>49712750
His hands were folded over a thousand times

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>>49712750
Frank was a man's man. He knew how to make a good weapon, good with the hands, and had a good head on his shoulders(no pun intended).

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>>49712639
>>49712584
Actually, these are good too.

Anyways, the squad so far. Not 100% sure about the colour scheme, but I feel like I made the right choice.

>>49712778
>He knew how to make a good weapon
Eh, Guilliman's sword was better.
>Tfw you'll never use a skull as a cockring, Fulgrim style.

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>>49712750
They targeted him for recruitment, his death and legion-shattering was one of the Traitors biggest failures.

Re-asking because thread was past bump limit when I asked last time:

Anyone here played or got ideas for ship-themed games?
Zone mortalis works for the corridors, but the outer hull or large inner spaces could probably just be played fairly normally. Maybe some vehicle/equipment limits and special rules

I know the Fists and Sons of Horus both had huge fleets, as did the Dark Angels, who also had one of their wings (Stormwing) specialising in boarding actions. The Death Guard were also noted for having a fleet with lots of strong ships even if they weren't all that many in number, and they as a legion excelled in zone mortalis battles

>>49712847
Jesus Manus dude, it was a meme.
>the outer hull or large inner spaces could probably just be played fairly normally.
Have you even read Book 3? There are rules specifically for playing onto the hulls of ships.

>>49712847

The Ultramarines were also known for having a large fleet, but a good chunk of it ended up hitting Calth as wreckage during the Betrayal.

If they ever fluff out the OOB for Imperium Secundus, I'd imagine that the overwhelming bulk of its fleet power (in terms of capital ships) would be from the two Angel legions. I can also see the Ultramarines dusting off loads of older, decommissioned vessels to fill out the roster for both their Legion and the Imperial Army fleet.

>>49712934
quite the opposite, the Ultramarines were known for having a relatively small fleet, and not many big combat ships at that either.

>>49712847
One half the board is zm corridors and stuff representing the interior, the other half is 'open space' representing the hull. Flyers and dreads are the only allowed vehicles, flyers can only go on the hull section, only air tight armour allowed.

Doors and av14 destructible hulls separate the halves.

>>49712934
Their ships were more similar to those of later chapters, rather than contemporary legions, in that they were meant and used to deploy marines, not fight void battles.

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decided I would never use cataphractii as RG so I'm mashing some truescale attempts together.

Yes I know partially primed, mold lines etc. But Theyre still WIP. I may file off the cataphracti lines and rivets to smooth it out.

THoughts?

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>>49712847
>>49712961
I am back at my PC, and it is now that I perform my charge. In fealty of the Man Emperor, our Undying Lord, and by the grace of the Imperial Palace I declare HH3: Extermination upon the thread of HHG Primarys. Let Imperial justice account in all balance.

The Emperor protects.


...aka, don't forget to use the Cold Void rules! Also, ur a fegget for not remembering the rules in HH3. Srry about that.

>>49713143
Anon, how do I say it? Those look awful

>>49713143
In short, you want to use Cataphractii rules but not Cataphractii models, is that correct?

>>49713267
I think it's the other way around.

>>49713143
I don't think the combibolters and melee weapons work with what you're trying to do. The presence of terminator weapons make the models look like headswapped terminators. Give them power armoured infantry weapons (normal bolters, chainswords) and they may look more like truescale dudes.

What should i put into my mastodon?

I was thinking Fulgrim, 5 phoenix terminators, a chainfist contemptor to keepit safe from knights or the like, 5 chainfist terminators, and maybe a plasma support team to round it off

>>49713277
Oh. Well I didn't realize how much I like Cataphractii torsos until now.
>>49713294
More like tell us what will be that Mastodon's mission. Mere melee termie taxi a Spartan could do it better.

If I take curze and put him into an assault squad, would he pass on infiltrate to the unit? Also if I stick an Apothecary into a terror squad can the squad still infiltrate?

>>49713329
>If I take curze and put him into an assault squad, would he pass on infiltrate to the unit?
I think not
>if I stick an Apothecary into a terror squad can the squad still infiltrate?
I think yes.
Unless when infiltrating he steps on a twig and the whole Terror squad goes "ABU AJAAR BE CAREFUL!"

>>49713143
>truescale

It isn't truescale, it just are bigger marines. There's nothing true about it, but if it makes you hard more power to you ofcourse :)

>"But muh marines don't tower over the plastic cadians"
Plastic cadians are way too large, unless cadians are suppose to be as tall (or taller in some cases) as space marines

>>49713329
>If I take curze and put him into an assault squad, would he pass on infiltrate to the unit?
No.
>Also if I stick an Apothecary into a terror squad can the squad still infiltrate?
Yes, the apothecary is in all effect a part of a unit, a separate choice only on the army list.

>>49713362
Then what is truescale by your definition and do you have any examples

>>49712778
Some pun intended I reckon

>>49713329
7th edition BRB errata on GW site
>Independent characters with the infiltrate special rule may not join units without it during deployment and vica versa

Apothecary works completely diffferent and is not an Independent character so he can infiltrate along just fine.
They probably put him in a box and only get him out when somebody needs a plaster.

>>49712835
Are you gonna add shadow and stuff to the red?

I like it as a scheme, but it's a lacking depth

>>49713313
I bought it because it looks cool, thats its mission

>>49713425
Then you should fill it with legion specifics and Fulgrim. And it better be shiny!

>>49713403
I tried to resist. I honestly did.

>>49713374
Truescale marines would be the size GW and FW already provide, but with smallet heads, hands and weapons.

For example, most one-handed swords are the size of greatswords when you compare them to the lenght of the marine wielding it, whilst greatswords like the GK have are oversized twohanders.

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>>49713143

>>49713452
I dont think you understand how scaling works.

If you scale up your example, what do you get? Bigger bodies and legs with normal heads and hands/weapons. Which translate to small(relatively) hand and heads. The only difference is that that way is actually possible to model.

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>>49713245
>Also, ur a fegget for not remembering the rules in HH3.
This be true, thanks for putting the rules up.

>>49713245
>Man Emperor

Don't have access to my books right now, can't be arsed to download them

What are the Veteran Squad signifiers on Imperial Fists? Grabbing paints to reward Tacs for being promoted to Vets.

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>>49713719

>>49713545
>>49713774
Why is this seneschal Rann considered such a badass?

In Templar (written by French as well BTW) he almost gets killed in the opening moments of the Heresy when they assault Halley's comet

>>49713995
>seneschal Rann
Executioners Chapter

>>49713995
Everyone but Horus has accidents.

>>49714079
Yes I know he founded them but apparently he was a big shot even before that
>>49714097
There's accidents and then there's getting rekt by the word bearers in the first year of the heresy

>>49714151
In the opening of the book. Everyone but Horus has those. It is his Heresy afterall.

>>49714206
>>49714097
>Everyone but Horus has those
Davin?

>>49714097
>>49714206
>what is isstvan III

>>49714151
You're basically asking "Why this named Praetor was badass?". He was badass, that was it. Fierce motherfucker that would go first, leave last, and had a power axe that he would throw at your face, only for him to pull out yet another power axe. That was Rahn.

>>49714238
Yes, I am asking why they're sucking this dude's dick so hard when we haven't read anything noteworthy he's done

>>49714265
He reached the rank of Praetor. That makes him second only to the Primarch in terms of command and overall combat prowess. It should be a given that all Praetors and Praetor-equivalents are awesome in their own right.

>>49714265
They are sucking their own dick, Executioners were basically non-existent until Imperial Armour 10, just like Carcharodons and Minotaurs.
>>49714313
>>49714326
And they are 3rd founding, meaning he survived until at least the start of M32.

>>49714265
Fret no, I'm certain they'll write some of his adventures for you to be disapointed at. He is referenced some times in HH3 IIRC.
>>49714313
IF characters reroll ones to hit on challenges. Certainly that had some of the best duelling schools in the Legiones Astartes.

Happy Thanksgivin's to my fellow Maplefags

Managed to bring an entire pumpkin pie home from my ladyfriend's family dinner tonight, pretty stoked.

Put these Destroyers on the chopping block last thread - still have plenty of flash and moldlines to clean up, and gotta find a meltabomb for everyone, but I'm fairly happy with the posing.

Intention is to use a raw gunmetal colour for most of the MkIV plate sections, with certain fixtures getting a dull bronze colour. Lots of rust effect on the gunmetal sections, lots of verdigris on the bronze, and brighter grey metal on any gouges, scratches, chips and bullet-holes I make with my hobby knife.

>>49713774
I really wish there was an IW Helmet marking section.

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>>49714501
Aaaand forgot my picture.

>>49714501
>Intention is to use a raw gunmetal colour for most of the MkIV plate sections, with certain fixtures getting a dull bronze colour.
Knightanon?

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>>49714516

>>49714526
Nah, Knightanon is cooler and more talented than me, and also isn't a poorfag.

I just wanted to use a paint scheme for my Alpha Legion Destroyers that showed the beating proscribed weaponry gives the user's armour, without doing the soot-blackened thing.

>>49714526
No, KA isn't a filthy Canadian.

He's worse, a disgusting Californian.
Worse still, so am I!

>>49714502
They're all just meat for the grinder, they don't need special helmet markings

>>49714501
Happy Thanksgiving, brother. Out of curiosity, are you in the Winnipeg area? I've got a hankering for some games this week.

>>49714576
Thanks, hope yours was good as it should be.

Unfortunately I'm in Ontario, so not only is my status as a Canadian in question, I wouldn't be able to make it out to have a game with ya.

What's your legion, o brother from the land of Manitoba?

>>49714516
>>49714528
Nice progress, especially with the launcher guy. I only dislike the guy next to him because of how the guns are pointed, a needlessly cool pose, unfit for AL.

>>49714591
Bad feels. At least there are a good handful of people looking to start 30k in the area. Just need to get them moving.

>>49714622
What isn't? I've got my fingers dug into Word Bearers, Salamanders, Blood Angels, and Emperor's Children. Word Bearers being the most developed.

>>49714634
Sorry I deleted the post you were replying to, I wanted to rephrase it to include a wish of a happy thanksgiving.

Hahahacanadianpolitenessjokes.

That's fantastic you've got some people building armies in Winnipeg though. I'm in Peterborough, a college town a little north of Toronto, and the 40k community here is strong but the attitude towards 30k is baffling. Half the people don't give a shit about fluff and see no reason for shelling out the additional money for a game that's "just marines", and the other have that hilarious, near superstitious fear of forge world. They don't understand that it's an entirely separate game.

>>49714654
If you're feeling like you've got the gumption, I'd love to see some pics. I'm gonna start work on some Saboteurs tonight (doing all my specialist units before the slog of putting together my BaC box worth of Legion Vets for MAXIMUM PLEBAGE) and seeing put-together forces is always great inspiration.

>>49712957
>>49712964

I stand corrected. I thought the Ultras' fleet only started being in the style of the later Chapters post-Calth when they lost their original fleet.

Does anyone happen to know the sauce for that info though? I can't recall reading anything like that in the FW HH book, but that could just be my memory being bad.

>>49714630
Totally appreciative of the feedback. I had wondered if the akimbo pistols might be a bit... hollywood? But I wanted to make a go of it. I can see it being a bit flashy for Alphas, though. Maybe I'll see how it looks with one or both pistols mounted on fully extended arms, as though he's directing his fire at a single target rather than going full Equilibrium gun-kata

Btw what did anyone ever see in that movie? It always just seemed like a hot mess riding on the coattails of The Matrix..

>>49714676
That sounds horrible. I found a Winnipeg forum and decided to check for signs of Heresy. Apparently there are a good number of people that bought Calth and actually care about the lore. Seems like a Zone Mortalis league may be brewing. I've never been to Peterborough. Lived in Niagara for two years and the furthest I ever went was Toronto. Bit warm in that area.

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>>49714736
>the akimbo pistols might be a bit... hollywood?
That's Destroyers for you
>Gun-Kata
That's what true Moritats are like.

>>49714694
I can't quite call any of the armies done and a fair bit of the stuff is still WiP, but I can post the Word Bearer stuff I've got going on. Some things are still being shipped out, Sicaran and Rhino included.

>start reading The First Heretic

wtf I don't hate Lorgar now?

>>49714801
Just wait until you get to Aurelian and Betrayer.

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>>49714801
Anon, have you ever read an ADB book before? The skinwalker tries to make you not hate the Chaos slaves, but Lorgar is still worse primarch because have you seen the art of his daemon form? All he has is horns, and big meaty hands! Sorry for the size, but this is all of the official art we have of him.

>>49714826
>>49714848
all he wanted to do was like

make people happy and shit

erebus and kor phaeron A SHIT

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>>49714826
We can sum up Lorgar in the HH novels with this right?

>>49714892
Black Phillip did nothing wrong

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>>49714871
And so is Lorgar!
>all he wanted to do was like
>make people happy and shit
How could he if he even couldn't listen to basic instructions?! Hmm....At least this Word Bearer discussion is warming up my fingers.

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>>49714694
WiP Bearers. Still a lot to paint and purchase, but I need to find a job first. Some dreads in the background.

>>49714926
IWTCIBP

>>49714947
Like the distribution of red and black on the Leviathan, and your red is crisp and bright. Great look!

>>49714960
If anything, wouldn't Black Phillip cum inside you? Y'know, pact with the prince of darkness and everything...

>>49714967
I admit that my highlights are a bit sloppy, but as I get better at highlighting, I can strip and repaint them. Sergeants are easily distinguished, as I tend to overload them with studs. I can't take credit for the red recipe though. Grabbed it from a Bolter and Chainsword post. Complicated and damn near impossible to fix if mistakes are made.

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>>49714989
Look, if you're not trying to penetrate the asshole of Satan's physical manifestation on earth, you're not playing Word Bearers right.

What's your opinion on Heralds, /HHG/? It's a little weird they're non-compulsory Masters of the Legion. I think they shouldn't be support officers but MotL shouldn't be allowed in allied detachments...but that's where Heralds would step in and let you run RoWs in allied slots, unlike Delegatii.

>>49714801
Believe me, by the end of Betrayer you'll truly hate his guts

>>49715172
The loyalist one is shit for some reason. The other two are good.

>>49715232
Because melee overall is capped, that's why.

What's everyone think of the newest iteration of my 2500 list?

Iron Warriors Ironfire

HQ
-Legion Praetor, 100
+Cataphractii Terminator Armor, 35
+Paragon Blade, 20
+Volkite Charger, 7
Total, 162

Terminator Bodyguard Command Squad, 120
+Power Fist, 5
+Power Axes, free
+Volkite Chargers, 21
Total, 141

Elites
Apothecarion Detachment, 45
+Apothecary, 45
+Artificer Armor, 10 (20)
Total, 110

2xLegion Terminator Squad, 175 (350)
+2 Chain Fists, 20 (40)
+5 Combi-Meltas, 35 (70)
Total, 245 (460)

Troops
-2xLegion Tactical Squad, 125 (250)
+10 Tacticals, 100 (200)
+Nuncio Vox, 10 (20)
Total, 235 (470)

Heavy Support
-Legion Medusa Battery, 155
+2 Medusas, 310
+Shrapnel Bolts, free
Total, 465

Land Raider Proteus, 180
+2 Land Raider Proteus, 360
+Hull TL Heavy Bolter with Shrapnel Bolts, 20 (60)
+Exploratory Augury Web, 50
+Command Vehicle, 35
Total, 685

Complete Total, 2498 points

>>49715314
>IW Ironfire
Stopped reading before I even started.

>>49715314
>Ironfire
>only 2 template weapons

No quad mortars?

>>49715314
I don't know why people want to ride the Ironfire with tactical squads. Fearless is only good for when you're losing in melee, since IWs already ignore ranged casualties and are veeeery hard to pin down.

>>49715314
How will you deal with primarchs/deathstars/aircraft/deepstrikers? Also, three medusae is overkill to the nth degree

>>49715350
He wrote "+2 Medusae", meaning he has three total. Still, a single Medusa squad overkill yet still not enough because when they're gone so is your Ironfire...and bringing Phos Rapiers makes you That Guy.
How does one even rides the Ironfire?

>>49715330
Okay.

>>49715350
Three Medusas, anon.

>>49715356
Sorry?

>>49715357
>primarchs/deathstars/aircraft/deepstrikers?
I dunno. But at least the three medusas will be able to inflict major damage on deathstars and Primarchs.
>Also, three medusae is overkill to the nth degree
Is it really? I tried not taking a thousand quad mortars and other artillery, so I thought three medusas max would be fine. Big enough damage to help take anything out and work like distraction carnifexes at the same time, and since they have to be squadroned and fire at the same target, they can't just take everything on the board out at once.

>>49715379
>How does one even rides the Ironfire?
I don't know.

>>49715379
You don't. Does the Ironfire have to be rode on all the time? There are times when sieges or Ironfire just isn't practical.

>>49715442
>deathstars and Primarchs.
Deathstars, sure, if you pop their transport first. Primarchs though? drop three pie plates on, say, ferrus, or any of the more smashy ones, and you'll get less than one wound on him. This doesnt even take into account tricky ones like Corax and Morty who can be a pain to deal with. The fact they all fire at the same target makes them mediocre at best. Taking one medusa and a bunch of mortars would make it so much better, and you dont need to use phosphex to be that guy about it. Let alone aircraft, enemy terminators/assault marines, drop pods, etc. Don't fall for the Ironfire meme, its so tactically narrow that unless you minmax with 9+ mortars or play nothing but footslogging hordes you can be spanked by a mediocre opponent

>>49715444
That's why I'm asking. The Hammer of Olympia makes more sense...and even then, only if you're using lots of Heavy Support choices. And IWs have lots of good HS options.

>>49715524

The Hammer of Olympia is definitely a better generalist RoW.

Ironfire's main appeal is just how much it distills what it means to be IW. It can be murderously good, if not outright OP, in sieges, but you're hardly *always* going to be going on offensive sieges now will you?

Ironfire is also very vulnerable to deep striking if you don't prepare your list for it

>>49715602
If you like it, its fine, do what you enjoy, but frankly its a mediocre list that cant deal with any of the five biggest threats that i try to build around-Hordes, deathstars, primarchs, flyerspam and drop pod/deepstrike spam. I've seen several IW lists that are mostly the same and they're not fun to play against since its so easy to play around, and for me at least, they would be unfun to play with due to the inflexibility of the list.

>>49715516
I'll rewrite the list and see how anons like it, then.

Though, I do like how my list is though.

My only problem is that I only have one slot left in my Elites slots, and I'd rather add in a dreadnought. I suppose it'd have to be a Mortis dread though, for the AA? I'd have two HS slots left too then.

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>>49715575
>vulnerable to deepstriking
>mfw
THEN IT IS BY THE FURY OF BAAL'S SONS SHALL THESE MISERABLE PILES OF BITTERNESS FALL! WE WILL DESCEND FROM THE SKIES, DRAGGING THEM TO THE BITTER DREGS, AND RIP AND TEAR THEIR BLACK HEARTS OUT OF THEIR CHESTS!

>>49715655
Mortis dreads are flatly inferior to doritos for the same price nearly, and its a HS slot

>>49715678
Yeah, but I prefer regular dreads over the two HS ones.

>>49715757
I can understand not being a fan of the bathtub-nought, but the leviathan is sexy as

>>49715772
Agreed! Especially the Quad Autocannon it can have. But that wouldn't solve my AA problem then, unfortunately.

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>>49715575
Srry for the late response.
>Ironfire is also very vulnerable to deep striking if you don't prepare your list for it
No need to spoiler this, it has been on my mind for quite some time how one sided and square minded the typical 2500 Ironfire list is, and especially how hard it is to secure a fireline of your own.
It literally makes me think "maybe the AL & WS are right: the enemy can't focus his strenght on you if your don't have a definite center". And it makes me uneasy to not know how to be centerless as an Iron Warrior.

Say, you think we could do some theorycrafting to come up with some IW strategy? It's canon the IWs did gather on forums to post tactica and shitpost as main forms of recreation.

I was thinking about Shrapnel Jetbikes for melee and stuff. Ld9-8 is way too high for pinning to be effective, but being Jetbikes they can do so across difficult terrain or stuff like that.

>>49715676
Not only you, pal. SoHs, AL, RG, WS, maybe DA Ravenwing, outflanking EC, Reductor...
Dammit, I was almost enjoying my bitterness!

>>49715828
Well, I guess so. We can all have one big party over ruining IW days. First we crack the outer shell, then the power armor, then the inner shell, and then we crack the heart and bitterness inside.

>>49715927
They'll just get more bitter. Still, it's nice to know that two of my four armies could swat the IW lists around. My Word Bearers could do some work as well, as it's Sacrificial Offering with a Castellum. My Sallies would struggle.

>>49715828
You're forgetting someone else there
Ave dominus nox, let the Lords of the Night flay their skin from their bodies while they scream

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>>49715940
Not unless you do pic related to them. Penetrate the heart, destroy the bitterness, and you destroy the Iron Warrior.

>>49715927
>>49715940
>>49715958
And people say we are bitter for no reason...
>>49715995
No, anon! That's what starts the bitterness in the first place! You'll only cause a Perturabo-led Primarch's chosen terminator army teleport onto your premises turn one!

>>49715655
I can't think of a way to rewrite the list in a way that feels good to me.

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>>49716015
So, Pert saw one of his sons' hearts ripped out and stabbed with a pencil by a man with a gun for a dick? Well, that might be worth it. Just because Pert's bigger than me doesn't mean he'll win. You know what they saw about huge guys right? Spoilers related. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=a6BbvCC0VI0 https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=mvh0n3Gfq7c

>>49716042
How about you drop a medusa, reduce the tactical squad sizes and run an armored spearhead list with every unit riding a land raider?.

>>49716079
Because I want to have hordes of infantry marching down the board, mowing down enemies with their bolters. That's what I feel 30k should be about, especially with a nice WWI feel to it. Everything is for supporting the Infantry. The Tacticals are the line men who are to march down the battlefield, only stopping to fire their rifles and engage in combat. The Land Raiders are the MkVs with anti-tank guns and the hull mounted MG, and with the ability to safely ferry troops as well. The Terminators are the Elite Troops inside the Land Raiders, meant to be delivered to where they need to go, getting out and firing either a volley of melta or bolter rounds, then charging towards their enemy with their axes and chainfists. The Medusas are the artillery pieces meant to rain down on the enemy armor and infantry, to ruin their day and soften the resistance.

>>49716171
>a nice WWI feel to it

Then you need trenches, I suggest the following; Remove a medusa and one of the land raiders, add an Imperial Strongpoint with one bastion for every tactical squad and an escape hatch, each Aegis Defence Line can have Autocannons for your anti-flier needs and grab a thudd gun for every tactical squad so you can make the most of Ironfire without being too cheesy.

Building a Saboteur, he will be OPERATOR af, will post pictures when finished.

>>49716262
>Remove a Land Raider
But anon, this triggers my autism, as how then will the Praetor and his retinue ride with the other Terminators?

The Fortifications idea sounds good, but I've heard that gunlines aren't fun to play against? I'd rather both players have fun than have a good list.

>>49716332
Its not a gunline, youre using the bastions as transports so your big squads can be in your opponents face turn one and use the ironfire's benefits.

>>49716347
>bastions as transports
What?

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>>49716355
Escape hatches, anon, use them.

>yfw your primarch built the escape hatches to go INTO the enemy and not to retreat.

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tfw in a challenge your praetor goes at the same time or faster than every primarch but your own

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>tfw the emperor kills demon prince of nurgle before starting the great crusade

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>>49716074
>So, Pert saw one of his sons' hearts ripped out and stabbed with a pencil by a man with a gun for a dick?
Despite your memeing, this did happen. Hell, it happened on the Iron Warrior's very Exemplary Battle against the Black Judges, which were utterly immune to bolter fire. After destroying thousand after thousand of combat servitors, the Iron Warriors faced the Black Judges, but they were probably T7 and could barely scratch them. Perturabo saw this, and after analyzing their weaknesses, personally led the charge, "ripping their machine frames apart and tearing out the withered bodies from within with his own gautleted hands".
Yes, he ripped and tore a bigger guy's guts out, and for the record they probably did have gun dicks.
I'm sorry for the drawing, I just wanted to draw something

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>>49716431
>yfw you force the breach and find yourself into an Iron Warrior bunker, only to find it's mostly empty and the guns are pointing inwards.

I need...leaks...I need...rumors...I'm itching to spend money on this new world eaters project but I don't want the new plastic sets to be announced and have them be so retardedly cool I need 5 of them. also can someone convince me that I need/don't need red butchers. they look awesome but damn those axes look flimsier than a middle aged penis before the viagra kicks in.

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>>49716803
Use Red Butchers but give them real axes.
Buy axe bits and swap the axe-heads, I guess?
https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-GB/Cataphractii-Power-Axe-Upgrade-Set-2016

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Operator AF

Hopefully image doesn't flip

>>49716918
I like it. Show me the other side, anon!
>>49716933
Never mind.

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>>49716943
Yeah, sorry, I'm just puzzled because I'm posting from PC. Deleted the first post to try again. I emailed pictures from my phone to myself to post from my laptop to avoid the image flipping like it always does on mobile. Whatever.

The Alpha Legion breastplate is totally obscured by the combimelta, which bothers me a tad, but hidden esoterica is fluff friendly in this instance I guess.

>>49716984
>Doesn't have the connection cable on hand
Don't worry Operator-anon. I find it unfair Saboteurs cannot join Seeker units and give them Infiltrate as an exception to normal rules. Or join Headhunters, who already infiltrate.
Your dude looks operator as fuck, well done.

For AA, how many Whirlwinds with Hyperios AA Missiles do I want?

What's less cheesy/more useful? 3 Medusas, or 2 Whirlwind Scorpiuses?

Just read through the previous thread. Somebody said that the champion model is a mix of mks3 and 4. Just wanted to show that it is infact uparmored mk4. In the unmodified picture from my phone you can see that the left leg of the champion (the uparmored one) is actually just mk4 with plates on the front, the chest has power cables hanging loose on its sides like the uparmored mk4 torso to the right, and that the arms are both mk4 arms with plates at the wrists. Granted, all the plates other than the chest ones on the champion are identical to mk3 and the separate uparmored mk4 torso also uses mk3 style plates.

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>>49717103
Forgot my picture because I'm drunk and stupid.

>>49717115
The sword forearm does look MkIII, could you post a pic of the other side, please?

>>49716864
what if I just get the real deal red butchers from forgeworld? think those will be flimsy too? only review I've heard was from recast butchers guy who said the recast ones were paper thin.

>>49717039
Awesome, glad it's not too awkward and over the top. It could be a teensy bit over the top and still work, but it's a really fine line.

>>49717195
Sure, that's why I also posted the link
>>49717220
I for one don't believe in hammerspace, so I love that model. Even the power dagger. Especially the grenades being on the shoulder away from fire.

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>>49717145
Here you go. You can also see that the boot and knee of the champion's left leg are not in line with mk3. The elbows of the arms are also in line with the mk4 on the right, not the mk3 to the left. Another example of uparmored mk4 to the far right.

>>49714848

His daemon form is literally just his (super)human form with horns added on?

That's alright, actually, it means that the 30k Lorgar model + horns is a legitimate daemon prince model for 40k.

>>49714848
I wish his GOATEE OF EVIL look was canon, rather than just horns.

>>49717297
Huh, it's true. Thanks m8. Iron within, Maximus without.
>MkIV with ablative MkIII reinforcements.
Boner no! I-it's armour heresy!

Anons, I have a problem, I'm trying to re-write my list like anon said, I thought of replacing the Medusas with two Scorpiuses and a Whirlwind, but then I remembered that Scorpiuses can't be squadroned, so I'd have to either not take the Whirlwind, not take a Scorpius, or take a Mortis Dread.

I just can't rewrite my list, anons. I just really like it.

>>49717425
It's not armor heresy, as that's not MkIII. It's just up-armored MkIV, like anon said.

>>49717458
Then run that list. Having a balanced list is all well and good, but if you don't like your army, what's the fucking point? You spam that artillery, I'll spam my infantry, and we'll all have a jolly time.

>>49717519
Ha! True enough. A shame I can't fit my 175 point Dreadnought in there though.

>>49717489
Yes, but the MkIV extra armour looks like MkIII, as in it has overall similar shapes and confuses me...and gives me fuzzy feelings. This is probably the armour Trap would wear.

>>49717593
>This is probably the armour Trap would wear.

It is really nice aesthetically, combining those nice MkIII rivets with MkIV's shape.

>>49717616
Well, MkIV is indeed one of the most advanced patterns, state of the art. And then the Champion added extra armour on critical areas. I like that particular combination.

Grav or melta on a melee dread?

>>49717787
Grav, because haywire is more reliable.

>>49717817
Really? Looking at the stats between the two, Melta seems better to me.

S8 means it ID's most things, as well as pens and/or glances most vehicles, especially with the Melta rule, and AP1 means it gets a +2 on the Vehicle damage tables, iirc.

Can you explain, anon? I'm tired.

I'm trying to decide between Word Bearers or Death Guard, sell me on one or the other /hhg/

>>49717893
One has cool Daemons. One has smelly Terminators and Gets Hot Flamers.

>>49717886
Two words: armored ceramite

>>49717893
Have faith Word Bearer

>>49717893
Word Bearers get Gal Vorbak, which can shred most things decently well, can take daemon allies, has effective psykers, summon daemons, have a wonderful colour scheme, and Zardu Layak.

>>49717886
Grav is a small blast, so it's hard to miss a vehicle, and it only fails to knock a hull point off on a 1, the difficult terrain is a nice situational bonus.The meltagun, while having a higher raw S score, is often foiled by armored ceramite, removing one of the primary reasons for taking it

>>49717924
>>49717926
But even then, against non-vehicles the Melta is better, and who actually takes armoured ceramite anyways? I haven't actually ever seen a list posted here that actually had it?

But you are right about vehicles it seems, guaranteed hull point is tasty.

So against vehicles, the graviton is better, while against everything else, the melta is better?

>>49717966
I put it on whatever my most valuable vehicle is. Spartan, Sicaran Venator, etc. Even then, only if I have enough points left when all else is said and done. Blow up my already durable as fuck Spartan? Congration, you done it.

I think I actually like this list. What would you suggest I add for the extra 42 points I have left? To be honest, I'm only running Ironfire because there's no downside to taking it.

Iron Warriors Ironfire

HQ
-Legion Praetor, 100
+Cataphractii Terminator Armor, 35
+Paragon Blade, 20
+Volkite Charger, 7
Total, 162

-Terminator Bodyguard Command Squad, 120
+Power Fists, 15
+Volkite Chargers, 21
Total, 151

Elites
-Apothecarion Detachment, 45
+Apothecary, 45
+Artificer Armor, 10 (20)
Total, 110

-2xLegion Terminator Squad, 175 (350)
+3 Power Fists, 15 (30)
+2 Chain Fists, 20 (40)
+5 Combi-Meltas, 35 (70)
Total, 245 (460)

-Contemptor Cortis, 155
+Chainfist (Replaces Heavy Bolter), 10
+2 Graviton Guns, 30
Total, 190

Troops
-2xLegion Tactical Squad, 125 (250)
+10 Tacticals, 100 (200)
+Nuncio Vox, 10 (20)
Total, 235 (470)

Heavy Support
-2xLegion Whirlwind, 115 (230)

-Land Raider Proteus, 180
+2 Land Raider Proteus, 360
+Hull TL Heavy Bolter with Shrapnel Bolts, 20 (60)
+Exploratory Augury Web, 50
+Command Vehicle, 35
Total, 685

Complete Total, 2458 points

>>49718037
40 points nets you some ccws on tacticals maybe. Or a single quad bolter rapier if you had slots left

>>49717966
>who actually takes armoured ceramite anyways? I haven't actually ever seen a list posted here that actually had it?
Thats because this board is full of contraryists that claim "EVERYONE TAKES IT AND THUS EVERYONE ASSUMES ITS TAKEN AND NEVER TAKES MELTA SO JUST DONT TAKE IT AND SAVE POINTS"

When in actual practice every takes it because its a good idea. Do you really want that random combi melta to chunk your fellblade? No, you dont. Because people do take melta because other things exist that dont get AC like medusa squadrons, knights, admech, etc.

>>49718037
Plasma blaster for the command squad? Augury scanner for the apothecaries? Maybe a weapon for the tac sergeants?

>>49718156
Nah. Would need 80 points because that's 40 tacticals.

>>49718176
Hmmm... maybe.

>>49718176
>>49718245
I got it - melta bombs or power fists for the tacs so they don't get screwed by someone bulldozing a dread right into them

>>49718037
>>49718245
Y'know what? Maybe Extra Armor for the LRs and the Dread, and Dozer Blade for the LRs too.

>>49718264
That's also a good idea, actually.

red butchers are currently $75 dollars for 5...should I? I always make impulse decisions late at night.

>>49718343
ching chong china

>>49718357
I order through a friend and he isn't putting in an order for another few weeks. so the ching chong chinese recasts won't get here for 5 weeks from now.

>>49718037
Looking at it now, I actually think that Meltas would be better on the dread. While less likely to wound vehicles, since Meltaguns are Assault weapons, it means that it can still charge and get into melee in the same turn, unlike the Graviton gun.

Also, I put Dozer Blades on the LRs and Melta Bombs on the Tac Sergeants. Now I have 17 points left.

>>49718431
Read your rulebook, friend. Walkers are essentially relentless

>>49718343
>>49718357
>>49718378
I ordered it. I'm so weak with my wallet. looks like Kharn will already have his deathstar unit before the new Prospero box comes out. they just looked too fucking cool to not use.

>>49712586
You shall name him Bert.

>>49715041
That's a Red Corsairs thought.

>>49717893
Death Guard have an awesome color scheme and really good terminators.

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>>49717925
>Gal Vorbak
>laughingredbutchers.jpg

I annihilated a unit of GV with my RB in a game a week ago, it was glorious.

>>49718717
GOOD

>>49718958
holy shit those guys look good. are they the real deal or recasts? just wondering because the main reason I went with FW on this order was because the recast resin seems pretty brittle and flimsy for weapons. was worried about those sexy axes.

I need a legion picked for me, as i am an indecisive fag
I'm up for just about anything except for iron warriors, because i started doing them with a BaC set and realized i dont want to paint only metal forever
down for just about any playstyle, definitely a fan of tanks though

>>49719087
Iron Hands maybe? They are more black than metal, but with some metal thought.

>>49718958
How to deal with things like Gal Vorbak and Red Butchers?

My army is currently set up to shred infantry and tanks, but terminators and specialised units elude me a little bit.

I've got a fair few combi-weapons but that's about all...

>>49719126
definitely an option, though not in love with the paintscheme
should i maybe just make a strawpoll?
>>49719248
applying medusa usually works pretty well, plasma support squads are also an option, though expensive and near guaranteed to die after they blow their load once

>>49719087
World eaters

>>49719260
If you're fine with painting lots of infantry, play Death Guard for a teleporting primarch and the best terminators in the game

>>49719260
Thudd guns and Vindicators do the trick?

>>49719248
I use Mor Deythan and a plasma support squad. I could use my Dark Fury if I feel I outnumber them enough.
So basically apply plasma to the problem or your own special units.

>>49719324
Vindicators probably, thudd guns less so as you really need to pile on wounds for them to fail the 2+ saves and maybe FNP

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>>49719058
Lol they're not mine, I just yanked pics of someone far better than me. Pic related is one of mine; he's a recast, and apart from the sexy axes being paper thin, it's awesome.

I'm buying myself a Warhound and some as of yet undecided admech for christmas. What are you getting yourself, /hhg/?

>>49719248
Dark Angels Veterans (preferably in Ravenwing P. for Rad Grenades) with Stasis shit.

>>49712582
Adb said he was just bullshiting and it was word bearers being dickhead bitter cunts who couldn't understand the idea of setting up an organised recruitment facility

>>49712711
More like they didn't really know the other 2 for that long
First heretic takes place 150 years into the great crusade - so before that
Corax - found 100 years so before that
Horus was found first maybe 10 years into the crusade
so roughly 50 years in all this stuff happened and likely within a few years of each other

>>49718958
Awesome looking Blood Angels there Anon.

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What's known of the Consecrators Chapter:
>They appear to have inherited the most revered arms of the Dark Angels Legion, preserving them carefully through the ages. They bear a close resemblance to the Dark Angels before the Horus Heresy, maintaining the legion's original black colour and wearing the older Mark 6 "Corvus" pattern power armour.[1]
>They have their own agenda and soon disappear after their mysterious objectives are complete. They use mostly relics from the Dark Angels Legion, as if they were taken from the Dark Angels' darkest vaults.[2]

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>>49719989
And here's the Firewing symbol.

I'm buying Corax, some beakies and the BoP box.

>>49720030
Meant to reply to >>49719753

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>>49719753
Bought this Saturday.

>>49719903
Both Lorgar and Horus are saddened by thoughts of XI so I think that means they were close.

II OTOH was most likely some weirdo that was nuked immediately

>>49719753
Leather to have mkII-style pants made.

>>49718859
Nyaaahnnnnnhaaaannnnngggg

>>49716701
Al, if you want to draw just do it.

>>49719753
20 assault marines who are going to be equipped with combat shields and meltabombs. Their purpose is going to be hunting super heavy vehicles and keeping units in place so they stop running away from my Lernaean terminators

I'm building a Sons of Horus army 2000pts and I have some trouble. I'm thinking of putting Maloghurst in an Achilles land raider. but I don't know what kind of bodyguards he should have.

With his warlord trait making him scoring I am toying with the idea that a heavy support squad with culverins will follow him and be placed at some objective. Viable option? Fun option?

>>49720708
Will you give them Mutable Tactics (Tank Hunters)?

>>49720737
Depends on the situation, but if there is no need for infiltrate or scout then definately

Does fleet from an independant character pass to the unit? If I have a primarch with fleet can I use that on his retinue when he's with them?

>>49720800
I think all models in the unit need fleet to gain the benefit, consult the redbook.

So what did ol' Sevatar do to earn his red mittens? I know whatever it was was on Isstvan, but nothing more than that.

>>49720839
He probably snark off one too many times, refused to molest a corpse with his papa as many people here believe, or maybe he didn't do anything and painted his gauntlets red because he liked how red went with armor.

>>49720839

If I remember right he earned them on Isstvaan, he was supposed to be preventing loyalist legions from escaping or something. I assume he messed up or let them go.

Considering swapping to Terminators for my Command Squad, not sure whether to load them with Power Fists and Combi-Weapons, or leave them fairly bare bones.

What would you suggest? People talk about Power axes on Terminators a lot here

>>49720993
Always take one chainfist so the command squad won't be stuck getting fisted by a contemptor/leviatan.

The advantage of powerfists over poweraxes is that if you run into multi-wound terminators those multi-wound models still payed more points for that which is now a disadvantage for when you see who won combat.

If the command squad is gonna have a ride then I wouldn't bother with combi-weapons, the only models they'll kill only increase the charge distance

>>49720993
What do you want them to do? Protect a VIP, kill things, dispense fearless to key units? that will decide what you need to kit them with. I deepstrike them as NLs and use them to clear things like terminators off objectives, so i use power axes and sometimes combiplas if i have spare points

>>49721027
>>49721030
Pairing them with a Praetor beatstick. Not got a transport because of points, but can deepstrike as IFs. Want them to be boogeymen to anything the enemy has at the back of the board, or Terminator counters depending on the encounter.

>>49721083
>>49721083
Then combimelta as Anti artillery.

>>49721122
Since you're fists, give them at least one or two shields, and probably as the other guy said, some combimeltas to remove multiwound termies/annoying vehicles, and depending on your points either fists or axes.

>>49721152
Command squads can't take shields. Only Legion Terminators and independent characters in TDA can.

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Thoughts? Other than probably BS since info is from BoLS.

>>49721218
>No change whatsoever to the melee system, Bloodthirsters hit Fire Warriors on 3+
REEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>49721178
No, IF termies can take Vigil pattern

>>49721256
Command squads cannot, because the Vigil storm shield entry only mentions Legion Terminators and independent characters. Just compare it to Teleporter Transponders and you'll see what I mean

>>49721218
Wounging everything on fixed values confirmed. It was fun while it lasted.

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>>49721256
Doesn't say so. Vigil stormshields, the new chainaxes.

Regarding Shattered legions. I have some difficulties with understanding the rules. Is it that I need a HQ choice of a legion in order to take their gear and special units, or do I need a HQ just to take a general unit, like a tac squad?

>>49721298
It is kinda sad how Command suads, the elite of the elite selected specially to protect and assist high ranking officers in the legion, can't take any of the legion specific wargear. And that such is the case for all legions.

>>49721325
It's not sad. It's BULLSHIT. They should all be characters, and maybe up to ten strong. And should have all the options regular termies get.

>>49721321
You need an HQ to take Legion specific stuff. Any compulsory HQ lets you take generics of course.

>>49721340

And this compulsory HQ grants access to his legions gear and units I take.

>>49720839
>>49720904
I think he accidentally touched Curze and since they're both latents he saw Curze's death, and willingly chose the red gloves

>>49721353
Correct!

>>49721337
It is the most ironic with wargear that even sergants can have, like Phoenix spears.

>"Behold, a finely crafted weapon named after our very own primarch ! All respected and high-ranking members please line up so we can hand them out"
>tactical sergant steps foward "There you go, one Phoenix spear for you. Use it well !"
>command squad chosen steps foward "Get out of here you filth, you think we'd entrust such a fine spear to a lowly marine such as you !"
>"But ... I'm a chosen warrior hand-picked to be the guard of a praetor"
>"GET OUT OF HERE ALREADY"

Can anyone kindly link me to the 5th book in the Horus Heresy series, "Fulgrim"

I downloaded a bunch of epubs from one of the other threads but the Fulgrim epub file seems to be corrupted (kek)

Thank you

>>49721641
nevermind, I found a link, thanks anyway

>>49721666
Anytime, bud.

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Dakka has a gift.

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>>49722018
My fucks are given

>>49722018
That's...quite good actually.

I mean, I still think the nipplehorns are stupid, but they're kind of a given for magnus at this stage.

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>>49712413
Fits in nicely next to their primarch.

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>>49722018

>>49722018
Place yer bets folks: will this plastic model be more or less expensive than a forgeworld resin primarch?

>>49722122
For the price of the Titan Maniple I could buy a fucking house, I don't care anymore.

>>49722018
Dayum that actually looks ... not bad. Not sure how I feel about primarchs coming to 40k though, hopefully GW won't overdo it.

>>49722122
My bet would be more expensive, as it is likely larger than non-daemonic primarchs.

>>49722018
Sweet, they will do Morty too down the line I guess.

>>49722018
Hasn't Angron been a Daemon since the Shadow Crusade?

>>49722201
Stormsurge, wraithknight, Custodes... Is it really surprising ?

>>49722238
ThevTau having MCs is bullshit. Anything Riptide-sized and bigger should be a walker

>>49722256
But walkers aren't as OP as Monsterous creatures, and you know that having sub-par rules upsets the more recent Tau 'fanboys'.

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Something i thought would be quite cool to make
A moritat based on ocelot
But what legion would he be in?

>>49722256
Please take this to the 40k thread we have enough salt for chainaxes and assault cannons here.

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>>49722307
>But what legion would he be in?
Such a silly question, Boss.

>>49722201
We'll probably get one for each god, lorgar and perty will probably be left out
It means CSM get legit lords of war to compete with imp knights and the like

>>49722018
So does this confirm the 40k end times rumors?

Since you don't bring out the daemon primarchs unless it's the end of days

>>49722307
Blackshield

>>49722018
The rumors were true?!

>>49722110
I'm sure the Solar Moths would know a bounty hunter from their father the Mothman of Alcatraz. I seriously did not mean to make a Samus legion.

>>49721218
So. What does this mean for HH? Will they update the rules again for compatibility?

>>49722676
Will use a...D20 >:)

>>49718958
I guess other legion specific units is where they really fall off.

>>49722702
@_@

>>49722145
What house are you willingly buying that costs 3 grand?

Fulgrim with Avatar of Slaanesh when

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Hey /HHG/, aspiring Iron Hands guy here. I've been waffling back and forth on building a 30k Armoured Breakthrough list for a while, but finding the right balance of it being a good list that is also fair, fun, diverse, scales from smaller points to higher points and doesn't cost infinity dollars just to get started has taken some thinking and pondering. Anyway, I think I've stumbled on something that I can scale from a 1000 point list, then to 1500 points, and then cap it off with the Primarch, his ride and a couple more tanks at 2500. Curious for feedback to see if it seems good, bad, cheesy, lame, whatever.

1000 Points:
HQ
+Master of Armour Sicaran w/ Dozer Blade + Lascannons (210)

Troops
+Predator w/ Dozer Blade + Heavy Bolters (100)
+Predator w/ Dozer Blade + Heavy Bolters (100)

Elites
+10-man Marksman Veteran Tactical Squad w/ 2x Missile Launchers, Vexilla, Nuncio-Vox (295)
-Sgt w/ Artificer Armour, Power Fist
-Rhino w/ Dozer Blade
+10-man Marksman Veteran Tactical Squad w/ 2x Missile Launchers, Vexilla, Nuncio-Vox (295)
-Sgt w/ Artificer Armour, Power Fist
-Rhino w/ Dozer Blade

Obviously the Voxs aren't used yet, but I'm planning on using the special Iron Hands MkIII squad kits for these guys which means that I kind of have to use the Nuncio-Vox backpacks. Also, they will get (some) use with the next addition.

Up to 1500 Points, we then add:

Elites
+Sicaran w/ Dozer Blade, Heavy Bolter Sponsons (190)

Heavy Support
+Whirlwind Scorpius (115)
+Sicaran Venator w/ Dozer Blade (195)

Finally, to cap it out to 2500 we sprinkle in some more TroopTanks and add the things that actually make it an Iron Hands list:

HQ
Castrmen Orth (80) [crews either the now non-warlord LasSicaran or the Venator]

Troops
+Predator w/ Dozer Blade + Heavy Bolters (100)
+Predator w/ Dozer Blade + Heavy Bolters (100)

Heavy Support
+Land Raider Phobos w/ Dozer Blade, Armoured Ceramite, Multi-Melta

LoW
+Ferrus Manus

Thoughts? Trying to keep it WYSIWYG.

>>49722731
I was talking about the Titan bunch that costs 22500 pounds, right? That translates to 540 000+ tacos, which can afford you a house. Built of solid concrete, room for four, able to withstand a hurricane, didn't check what lvl was the one I was in, lacks heating but you don't need it in the coast and we call it "winter" when it's 20°C outside...

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>>49722802
Some other thoughts I didn't have room for:

-I wanted to skip on doing Cortus spam because that seems lame as fuck and probably not very fun to play against. I know it's the "good" build for Armoured Breakthrough + Ferrus, but fuck that shit.

-I'm not sure if I should run PFs or axes on the sarges? I mostly want to go with PFs because I think they'll model better on the IH MkIII models and I just don't like the FW 30k axes very much.

-Can troop preds take pintle mounted weapons? I'm guessing not, but the wording is slightly vague (like it implies you just can't replace the turret). It would be expensive to model so I'm not sure I'd want to bother anyway, but since one pintle mounted HB is basically just half the cost of a pair of sponson HBs they seems like a really good choice when the tank has Fast already.

-Speaking of pintle mounted - I originally wanted to put a pintle HB on the HB Sicaran, but just didn't have the points without downgrading the sarges' weapons or cutting some other upgrade from something. One thought was to cut Orth completely and replace his points with a ton of pintle upgrades at the 2500 point, maybe even Multi-Melts for the Rhinos or something. It's honestly tempting since I still haven't figured out what bits I want to use as a basis for converting Orth, and the pintle weapons kit has two multi-meltas and only one HB (although replacing Orth with those three still leaves 40 points for... something).

Thanks in advance if anyone bothers to read this rambling idiot's ideas.

>>49722916
Christ dude 22,500GBP is like the cost of 20 Warlords. The maniple costs like 2000GBP, about 3000 burgerbux.

>>49722973
Oohh
I don't know where I got those cyphers from.

>>49722018
Ha! Daemon Magnus has a model before regular Magnus!

Also, how will they do the other Daemon Primarchs? Lorgar and Perturabo are Undivided, but wasn't Undivided retconned?

>mfw on Seekers' page there's a real life bridge that got blown up 25yrs ago in the pic
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stari_Most
Kek

>>49723049
Nah, it was never retconned, that twat (you know who I mean, he who must not be named) just claimed it was so his special snowflake daemon prince would seem even more of a special snowflake.

>>49723049
Lorgar just chills on Sicarus all day and do you really need Perturabo?

>>49723049
>>49723152
>and do you really need Perturabo?
What is even different about him? I've seen the art for the two of them in daemon form, and while Lorgar looks quite different Perturabo just looks... bigger, angrier and with a comparatively tiny head. That's literally like the only difference.

>>49723048
Someone put 10 Titan Maniples in their cart. That's where you saw the 22,000 GBP number.

Any opinions on Xenox Deathlocks for Blackshield Marauders? Not sure since I admit they kinda confuse me.

>>49723631
one or two per squad is worth it, Blackshields are basically a meme army anyway so you might as well have fun with a chance to blow yourself up.

>>49722802
So running mechanized IH, the Head of the Gorgon gets really close to armoured breakthrough and gives you more durability. Orth makes a Sicaran better than the HQ tank honestly.

Also scaling up from 1k is kinda difficult as useful things do cost points. I wouldn't limit yourself to a RoW at those levels mostly. At 2500 Ferrus will make you basically have a 2k list and I've had issues with him handicapping me as I didn't have other useful units

>>49722018
Wonder how many will just give him a bird head and use him as a lord of change. We know plastic LoC won't come out before 2020.

>>49722018
I said battle for prospero would be leaked today, so I was kinda right
HIRE ME BOLS

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>>49723756
Fast troop preds (scoring tanks!) are the main attraction of Armoured Breakthrough for me, and Head of the Gorgon just ain't the same. I like preds a lot but without fast they're just not very good - with fast (and the 30k 4 shot autocannon) they're actually a respectable unit that's worth their points. Give them scoring in a game where scoring is rare and vehicles never score and they're really dang cool. I'm also not big on the LR mechanized infantry list, since you end up spending so much on tanks that you only have a handful of units at that point.

Originally I spammed a lot more of them, but I got a lot of bad feedback about those list ideas, and I agree with it. It's boring, spammy, and would be really fucking frustrating to play against at 2k or below since the preds get scoring and fast for free.

Orth is obviously better in raw performance than the HQ tank, but he also costs 80 points + the cost of the tank and his warlord trait kinda sucks. An HQ tank as the warlord costs zero extra points for BS5. He's an amazing choice for a compulsory HQ in lists that run Ferrus as Master of the Legion and Warlord, but... when you can take a tank that gets BS5 for free as your HQ and also acts as the Master of the Legion all at the same time? That's some value, man.

I can understand not wanting to use Ferrus, but I did try to make a list where his force multipliers are actually useful (only the Rhinos don't get IWND, and there's infantry for the 6+ FNP). Also, c'mon, man, it's 30k. You gotta take the big guy eventually. I'll put something else together eventually that doesn't have him, the issue is that I want to avoid taking too many of the same units for fear of the list becoming spammy and uninteresting to collect, model, paint, play, etc.

>>49723049
If he isn't the best psyker in the game by a mile I'm gonna go postal.

>>49723124
Of course it was retconned you fuckwit. Nobody cares about your headcanon. Be'lakor is the only undivided Daemon(Prince) in the universe.
Abbadon, who is still mortal, has the blessing of all four and is another exception. Then there is Archaon in a paralell universe. That's it. Chaos Undivided doesn't exist otherwise thus Lorgar and Peturabo must be aligned to one God. Tzeentch and Nurgle/Khorne seem the most likely so far.

>>49724080
That spot belongs to Fateweaver, thank you very much, good sir.

>>49724018
Oh I take Ferrus regularly still. There's just instances at that point he can make it harder.

Fast preds is very attractive, just make sure to have something for heavy armor, like a venator or vindicators.

You definitely can take pintle mounted guns, just not swap the auto cannon. If you have a variety of different tanks and support, especially the sniper vets, you could do very well. I'm also very much a fan of regular contemptor support as they're highly versatile

>>49712413
>>49712494
What is the program used to make these?

>>49717297
Why does that powersword look so off? Anon I think you made a mistake.

>>49724213
Space Marine Generator. The White Scars now have their own update. Power Spears and mustaches for days!

>>49724195
>just make sure to have something for heavy armor, like a venator or vindicators
Part of me wants to take a second Venator since while they're very powerful they only have a couple shots so having two of them would make the anti-tank shooting a lot more reliable against bad rolls to-hit... but, again, I have reservations about picking "that good unit" and getting a bunch of them. Also, y'know, Ferrus' hammer is some of the best armour crackin' available if he can get there.

I do really want to do pintle mounted guns on every pred, but fuck, man, the kit only coming with one HB per set of five guns makes the modeling cost like buying a whole extra pred just to arm up four preds and one sicaran, and then I have a shitload of extra MMs and HFs. Triple HB + autocannon fast preds for 110 points, though... pretty amazing anti-infantry platform, it's so tempting.

>>49723124

See this: >>49724142
This is what happens.

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Well, on the plus side of 40k going to be killed off by GW coming summer ; 4chan shutting down won't be an issue, as there won't be a game to discuss anymore :^)

>>49723152
>Do we really need a super obliterator who can manifest and dual-wield ordnance weapons?
Yes, yes we do.

>>49723631
All of them. If you aren't killing your own men at least as fast as the enemy is you're a failure as a general and Zapp Branigan would be ashamed.

>>49724494
Calm your tits, Commissar.

>>49724442
warhammer and 4chan are literally my entire life

I guess i should pick up some new hobbies

>>49724615
That sounds like retreat talk, anon. What direction do Imperial feet move in?

>>49724728
Imperials only march foward !

>>49724728
Towards the enemy?

>>49724326
Pintle mounted MM aren't a terrible idea when you're fast and you can buy machine spirit. The dakka preds loadout can do work with enough of them. Vindicator Venators can be squadroned and can put out a lot if good anti Tank shots, but I run demolishers that outflank usually to deal with side armor or hordes

Has anyone here played with/against white scars in 30k? A chogorian brotherhood bikesbikesbikes list looks like it could be a lot of fun, if pricy on the wallet

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>>49724442
What? Did I miss something? 'Cause I've just searched for this stuff and all I've found was pic related.

>>49724964
They want to have a campaign similar to WHFB's End Times, but not actually ending the world - the backlash to that was pretty strong, and they've learned from that (also, 40k sales numbers suggest a total reboot isn't required).

As for 4chan, it's simply struggling financially.

>>49725299
Praise to our one true leader, the Man Emperor! Also, Solar Moths is a good name right? Not too flashy, not too meh?

>>49713517
>I'll make the marines bigger
Anon the space marines are the correct height for 28mm scale. Changing the height doesn't make them true scale it makes them out of scale.

>>49724804
>>49724809
We don't move, we die standing.