Fantasy middle-earth-esque demographic

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>>49707894
>High Elves
-fairest, most ancient sapient being
-high life expentency, low birthrate
-tall, slender built with golden hued skin and hair
-highest affinity to white magic as well as being the keeper of ancient knowledge
-physically frail, susceptible to black magic (as well as overbearing emotion), lacking in imagination and creativity
-armed mostly with single -bladed curved sword,bows and shield with their armour are richly adorned, with a combination of gilded brigandine and chain mail armour, which is comparatively lightweight and allows for greater mobility

>>49707914
>Wood Elves
-tan skinned
-equally high life expentency and low birth rate
-smaller than high elves, yet more agile
-has acute sense of vision and hearing
-lives in the forest, highly attuned to forest and its surrounding biosphere, good at tracking
-exceptionally good with bow and arrow as well as daggers and short hatchet and machete
-most simply wears thick clothings and cloaks with simple chainmail shirt

>>49707894
>Let's be honest, I fucking love GATE.

Were you born with shit taste or where you in an accident?

>>49707914
>>49708020
Neither of these posts have anything to do with GATE though, so what's the link here?

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>>49708020
>Dark Elves
-charred-black in colour (not nigger black, more like those rural indian people in southern India or Sri Lanka)
-equally high life expentency and low birthrate as high elves and wood elves
-highest affinity to the dark arts;necromancy, voodoo and the likes
-accomplished assassins
-armed mostly like high elves, tho dark motifs are more prevalent

>>49708056
I like how burgers always gets butthut with GATE.

Suck it, fatty

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>>49707894
>you need to be of a certain nationality to dislike overbearing nationalism and military pandering that shits on fantasy races as hard as possible
This isn't how it works and I don't even understand what you are trying to do with this thread.

>>49707914
>>49708020
>>49708169

So are you trying to do a setting or just throw some shit together?

Because besides Dark elves who in theory can go either diplomacy/assassination route or full-on undead armies others don't seem like they can cut in the world even somewhat resembling GATE.

Powerful, expansionist human or other races nations will just eat them alive.

Low birth rate. Ridiculously restricted military. High-elves also have problems in the head department and wood elves are dead the moment someone burns their forest (also can't get enough food to sustain reasonable population, unless they have specialised magic).

I want to fuck the large-chested JSDF soldier from that series.

>>49708419

That's the one on the left in the OP post if I remember right.

>>49708315
Rather than shitting on fantasy races GATE seems more eager to shit on a cartoonishly evil and simplified roman empire.

Fantasy races are there to lust after the cocks of their japanese saviors while staring up in wide-eyed admiration.

>>49708450

Ehh actually it shits on them really good. Take for example elves. The fuck are these cunts? They have at best 2 braincells, only a little better than humans in physical department and even that only on occasion and we better not be talking about their equipment because it probably makes legionnaires giggle like schoolgirls.

That blonde elven girl is over hundred years and has less sense than goblin fanatic.

>>49708486

Yeah, no one aside from the Japanese is really allowed to be competent.

Take, for example, the literally immortal superhuman berserker machine that is Rory Mercury. Direct servant of a god, infused with divine power. Can't be killed by any mentioned attack or weapon. Able to swing around a 200 pound greataxe like its a child's toy.

Notice how she never, you know, does anything? Like, at all? For all her magical power, she is shown multiple times to be objectively inferior to half a pound of C4. She can't even hurt a dragon, much less kill it.

Even Leilei only becomes a magic badass after rubbing shoulders with the Japanese and using superior japanese knowledge to improve her magic. Everyone goes on and on about how badass she is. And, again, what does she ever DO? She temporarily puts people to sleep, and when fighting the dragon she gets off a number of impressive looking attacks that are ultimately inferior to a rocket launcher because they never do anything but tiny flesh wounds, if that.

There is literally nothing in the entire fantasy world that isn't trumped by a rocket launcher, even accounting for magicks divine and arcane. Seems sort of silly that the guys who can casually break the laws of physics are totally at the mercy of the guys who can't. You'd think there would be casters, even if its only very rare ones, that could send common military dudes packing.

This is mostly as a result of GATE never introducing an fantastic enemy that can't just be shot and killed. Notice, for example, that invisibility or mind control are not a thing. Because even shitty versions of those forms of magic would fuck the JSDF sideways.

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>>49707894
>>49708195
>mfw nips and weebs get booty blasted at how cucked they are

I'm currently stationed in Japan and it's fucking hilarious how pathetic the majority of their men, especially the youngins, are. They're complete suicidally depressed betas that can't even give their women a good hard fuck. They look at their own military personnel as worse than garbage and treat them like shit, worse than practically any other legal profession,(and to be fair they're pretty ludicrously far behind countries like the US, Canada, and Britain in competency), and anyone that actually supports the military or firearms or the rights to personal protection usually gets outcasted.

I realize it's petty as fuck, and on the other hand I genuinely feel bad for the Japanese military personnel that wishes they could be hotshit or at least respected themselves, but it honestly gives me a good amount of pleasure and amusement that there are sad lonely japs like whoever wrote GATE desperately trying to give themselves some form of escapism, where their national military is worth more than it is and isn't considered a laughing stock by their own nation.

>>49708649

Its kind of our fault that they get treated that way. The post WW2 culture war heavily vilified the japanese military imperialism culture, a guilt trip that defined their culture and media for literal generations. So, as a culture, they inherently see japanese militarism of any kind as being a return to dark days and past mistakes.

The personal protection thing is all them, though. Collectivist culture. Everyone is supposed to be working towards the COMMON good, so what kind of ASSHOLE are YOU to place your safety above the safety of others? What makes YOU so GODDAMN SNOWFLAKE SPECIAL?

Which is, of course, totally alien to the USA, which while it tries to put a positive spin on it basically boils down to 'fuck you, got mine'.

>>49708450

>tfw the JSDF don't fuck the local whores

Seriously that angel slut got a body that keeps on giving.

>>49708624

Ok, gonna tell.

There is a Russian fanfic that starts at the same place as GATE - fantasy army invades our world. Only now it of course happens in Russia. The biggest difference is not even mentality of main character, who let's be honest is a wooden 'good' soldier, but that fantasy side has some competence.

Imperial wizards do deal some damage in the initial attack even though there is only shitty ones in the invading army. The aforementioned elf girl easily goes through a Russian spetsnaz physical exam. Rory, though after changed names, is a little less ridiculously powerful but uses her abilities much better. Lelei is practical lady who keeps her mentor in check and quickly gets into good graces with Russian forces by becoming a translator through magic (basically weaker version of D&D tongues).

And as an interludes we get some small chapters from fantasy side. For example there is a talk between an Imperial general and a war wizard where they throw around some ideas about how to counter firearms and bigger weapons. In the end they get to the fact that it's not impossible to do it but creating right spell will take time and even worse they'll need to teach it to all other wizards which can't be made fast (a couple of years at least). So they decide to start the project but at the same time advise Emperor to support peace talks through the princess.

>>49708746

Sounds legit.

>>49708624
Having not read it but watched its anime, maybe those kinds of magics simply do not exist in this world. Offhandedly, the only magics I can recall are protective and destructive magics; I don't think they had any utility type magics outside of flight.

Despite having magic being known and practically a science, its not a high magic setting. Outside of that one city Lelei is from, its rather low magic.

I also enjoyed Gate for what it was despite its flaws. It was nice to see what is basically Avatar's setting after the initial battle but with the idea of "exploitation through peace" as opposed to "exploitation through arms" as peace is a cheaper option, both in lives and money.

>>49707894
So... HFY meets LotR ?

>>49708649
>I'm currently stationed in Japan
Opinion discarded.

Murrican military trash are the worst trash.

>>49708815

There is at least zombification effects. Though they are not weaponised and more of a natural disaster.

>>49707894
>as japan is depicted as both "gud boi dindu nuffin"

I don't know about the anime but in the manga is implied that Japan wants the resources and landd of the new world. They are doing the modern standard procedure for invading and colonizing a new country/culture/land.


"l33t as fuck"

They have guns, planes, tanks against a middle age/roman style Empire. Even a pacifist country like Canada could take them out. Also, they have more modern combat tactics and knownledge.


The most important thing is that is a comic made in Japan, by japanese artists for japanese people. Why do they have to portray someone else? It's just a manga, bro.

>>49709325
The manga casually states that japan never committed war crimes and JSDF units slaughter elite forces from other countries without breaking a sweat

>>49709359

Didn't I say that is fiction made by japanese for japanese people?

I don't remember the part about the war crimes but it's not surprising really. Also the part when spec ops fights, are you going to make an action scene where your guys die horribly against another country?

Murricah (desu every country) does it with fiction. If you want to look pathetic in a work of fiction that depends on the author.

>>49709477
Both the dindu nuffin and l33t as fuck elements are there, as stated, I'm not really interested in discussing the rest anon. I'll just say that in any work of fiction where you depict armed forces you usually want to give a sense of struggle so that when they finally win you feel like they've earned it, after going through pain and loss. Even in shonen manga characters get killed/injured. In the manga/anime japan just curbstomps everything.

>>49709477

It's just that it diminishes both sides. If one side is complete shit than accomplishments of the other side are not that great.

It goes like: you beat them? So what? They are a bunch of retards.

>>49709359
>and JSDF units slaughter elite forces from other countries without breaking a sweat

Rory did the vast majority of that slaughter and the elite forces got caught in a Mexican standoff on top of it.

>>49709607
Before that scene the JSDF did everything by itself

>>49708056
Gate is incredibly shitty.

But it's also kind of fun.

Until the second season...

>>49708746
Is it actually well written though? Because I found one similar to that and the writing was unfortunately utter shit, got a link?

>>49709700

I'd say its mediocre. But I was sick and wanted to read something.

http://samlib.ru/k/kim_sergej_aleksandrowich/wrata.shtml

>>49709851
Thanks mate, it's probably at least better than the other one.

>>49709868

Author is a military fag. So be prepared.

>>49708419
Yeah, the shortstack is bae.

>>49707894
>I know plenty of burgers and vatniks were assblasted with it
Burgers are assblasted by anything that doesn't depict the Americans as the biggest badasses of them all.

This is why:
>In the movie adaptation of "Master and Commander" the British chase a French ship, even though they were chasing an American ship in the novel
>In the film "The Last Samurai", the main character is an American but he's entirely based on the Frenchman Jules Brunet
>In Deadliest Warrior, Washington was deemed a better general than Napoleon (mostly due to the backlash over Spetnaz defeating Muh-reens some episodes earlier)
>Dice (a Swedish studio but with a mostly American target audience) decided it's entirely possible to depict WW1 without France, or the Eastern Front
And I'm certain there are dozens if not hundreds of other examples I can't be assed to remember.

Ignore American butthurt.

>>49708056
Could be worse, he could like sword art

>>49710128
>Dice (a Swedish studio but with a mostly American target audience) decided it's entirely possible to depict WW1 without France, or the Eastern Front
Man I wasn't gonna buy that shit game anyway, but are we ever gonna get something with Tsarist Russia?

>>49710128
Them being assbalsted over anything doesn't necessarily mean that they're wrong all the time.

>>49709520

it's a fictional story about an otaku officer from Japan spec ops. You cannot hope to take it like a serious piece of literature.

The girls are mostly waifus and (at least in the manga) portrayed as kawaii ugu girls. Even the soldier girl is technically a tomboy.

There is rape, murder, torture and lots of things mostly found in adult fiction but still you cannot take it seriusly. You can say the same about Globlin Slayer, it has rape, murder, torture but still there is a lot of fanservie common to otakus and anime culture (BTW I like GS).

I like the manga, I never read the LN or watched the anime though.

>>49709671

mostly this.

is there a second season?

>>49710820
Yes, but it's not even good as a guilty pleasure. Most of the action scenes are shit and all of the characters that aren't the MC are usless, even the IJA ones.

>>49710128

thanks anon, nice explanation. If you are doing fiction, most people will make it so their culture/race/country looks good and are the heroes.

There is fiction were you make yourself and your country look like shit though.

>>49710854

so, just like the manga?

GATE isn't bad because of the way Japan is portrayed.

GATE is bad because it's boring trash.

>>49707894
You know, I always did want to write a "Modern" Fantasy setting that didn't even take place on Earth. Maybe I'll do that.
GATE itself doesn't appeal to me though.

>>49710128
>This makes the Burgerclaps butthurt, so it has to be at least decent!

No, pal, GATE is just utterly terrible nationalist masturbation on par with Top Gun or the Black Hawk Down movie. The Yanks are definitely right about this one, amongst a few others.

>>49710861
>There is fiction were you make yourself and your country look like shit though.
But even that is a mirror for your audience. You still write from the perspective of your own people (or your target audience, which is often America even for Europeans).

>>49710938
>It's wrong if anyone other than America does it
Ever considered not consuming Japanese media if you don't like wankery over Japanese things? Let me guess, katana's folded over 1000 times that cut through solid steel trigger you too?

>>49708878
Was this a dig at the fact that Americans stationed in Japan tend to be amongst the dregs, or the US military in general? Just curious.

>>49710904

The fact that anyone can actually care enough about something as dull as GATE boggles my mind, and I'm that weirdo who actually keeps track of the Price bloodline in Call of Duty.

>>49710904

this, but it's funny trash

come on, a gothic lolita god of war is cool and stupid (in a good way).

>>49710938

>GATE is just utterly terrible nationalist masturbation on par with Top Gun or the Black Hawk Down movie

funny, I didn't know the mangaka wanted more japanese people to enlist in the army.

take it easy anon, it's late now.

Every time I see GATE I get pissed off because it reminds me of an old video game I loved that was essentially XCOM: Fantasy Edition where a bunch of former Soviet states start getting invaded by an army of orcs and wizards and I can not for the life of me remember the name of it.

>>49707894

Look, I think some of us can understand that the magicvstech theme where tech is overwhelmingly powerfull over any magical creature, is a trope that is never really applied.

But liking GATE is another thing, GATE is not filled with colonialism conflicts, that should arise as soon anything like is described in the manga/anime happens, in fact GATE should be renamed into "missed oportunities everywhere".

Destroying local economies with synthetic products and driving the world into chaos? Nope, an extermination campaign of dangerous magical creatures that could result in an ecological imbalance which is a concept the magical world don't even know? Nope, magicians seeing their priviledged position in danger and trying to take overlydrastic measures? Nope.

Every single theme that could be exploited in a field that is not usually explored and is almost green, is usually turned down in favour of:

>Adventuring with JDFS weapons!
>Overpolished characters made to cater to furries/neckbeards!
>Simple narrative shocks out of nowhere!

Is this bad? Nope, it works as long as you just try to enjoy as what it is; a simple and easy creation made copypasted mythos and realistic military operation that turns into a power fantasy over the techvsmagic trope, is it good? Nope either, its mediocre, its suposed to be for the supermases that just want superficial scapism and don't think too much about it(I can draw paralelisms with the hollywood reboots here), so it just can't be good unless the author really dares to take some risks and change the tone and development of his own creation, which as far as we know, he won't in fact, the mangas have become more and more superficial since the 40 issue or so. In fact, by the time we got to visit the humongous tits sister going to college magic I just decided to leave it there and wait for at least 15 or 20 issues because I somehow still hope that the author, at some point, will put a real story there.

>>49711112
>loli anything
>good

>>49709325
>Even a pacifist country like Canada could take them out. Also, they have more modern combat tactics and knownledge.

Don't let their politeness fool you. Canada may not wave its dick around as much as the USA, but they kick a lot of ass whenever they can decide to make an appearance.

During WW1, the germans were fucking terrified of fighting the Canadians, because Canada pulled shit like having their artillery shell the very potions that their own troops were storming, just 20 feet ahead of the canadian troop line. So your choices were to defend against the charge and die to the shells, or take cover from the shells and leave your line broken so that the Canadians tore into your ass like wet paper.

And these days, Canada can basically get away with murder and still look like the good cop to USA's bad cop.

If the Gate had opened in Canada, fantasy romans would be subsumed as part of the commonwealth within a month, and the PM would inform a very flustered queen of england that the empire had a new colony.

>>49711130
Bump.

I would also like to know what the name of the described game if any kind Anon knows what it is.

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>>49711229
>Implying
Reminder that Canada is the world's first post-national country
Reminder that if you kill your enemies, they win
>B-But muh Vimy Ridge bix nood
That was WW1, this is THE CURRENT YEAR

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>>49711130
>>49711246

It's called spellcross

I wish it was on gog.com

>>49711229

I know, I respect Canadians and their army. Hell, their spec ops are top tier.

>>49710938
>Black Hawk Down
>not a great movie
I guess you can't fix shit taste

>>49711165

it's manga aimed to otakus and anime/manga fans. What did you expect?

GATE is mostly "wasted potential". It's an ok manga though.

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>>49707894
I personally didn't like Gate as it wanked off modern militaries and didn't really give fantasy a fair chance, considering they have fucking dragons and shit.

And at the end of the day, what's so fun about a show about steamrolling your enemies? You don't have to learn anything about the world they're going through beyond 'this is to shoot, this is not to shoot.' You don't have to care that much about politics, or religion, or even magic. If it was like 1632 but with a bit more military, that'd be fucking cool, but that's not what they did.

>>49711319
Spellcross was alright, the game difficulty was kinda weird (early missions were tough, later on much easier) and it had some AI glitch that made Undead's turns take forever, but other than that it was a good game.

>entrench infantry for 10 turns
>lure enemies towards your gunline with a single Humvee
>0 loses

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>>49710128
>writes an essay on why America makes him butthurt
>"Ignore American butthurt"

>>49711130
>>49711165

Imagine GATE if it was an international spec ops team with an obvious Japanese majority and focus, but with characters that included an American, German, Brit and Russian.

>>49710922
http://www.tboverse.us/HPCAFORUM/phpBB3/viewforum.php?f=29

>>49711546
Could you autopsy wizards to find out what made their magic work?

>>49711605
StarGATE: SG1?

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>>49711087
As another anon stated it, it's "missed opportunities - the manga".
You got a portal linking a fantasy world and our reality. Doesn't it set your imagination ablaze?
We got fantasy races, a complete redefinition of the laws of the universe, interactions between magic and technology, an entire new universe to discover, neocolonialism and realpolitik, backstabbing on both sides, and so on...
You can run ANYTHING in such a setting. You could make a fucking epistolary novel between two granmas staying on old earth and still make it thrilling simply by talking about all the repercussions in day to day life.
And we got a shitty harem centered on someone devoid of charisma even for an army grunt. Full of wank. And poorly realized. The first two I can forgive.

And I'm not american, so I'm quite used to foreign nationalist wank in fiction.


Another short take on it from a webcomic:
http://english.bouletcorp.com/2009/04/24/war-of-the-worlds/

>>49707894
Honestly, GATE had potential. but they fucked it up by making it into one-sided slaughter

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>>49707894

it's another episode of "fatbeards watched flavor of the month animu and tries to turn it into a campaign"

If it was an alternate reality but with magic instead of tech, why should we assume our side (or any side) would be superior? Why wouldn't they have nearly identical equivalents to all our nicest shit but with magic instead? Invading an alternate reality would be like invading yourself. Could America win against Magic!America?

>>49712827

GATE was FOTM like, two years ago?

What was the perfect example of FOTM anyway, the ultimate anime that everyone wouldn't shut the fuck up about, but when they did all interest died?

>>49712827
>neckbeard watches X and tries to turn it into a campaign
What else are you supposed to do? Your creations will always come from your experiences, either direct ones or the media you ingest.
Even running only premade adventures will recquire some creation on your part, unless you want to play a collective gamebook.

I admit the abundance of "hey /tg/ I just watched [thing], tell me how to run it" threads might be a bit annoying, but you got a hide function

>>49707894
>vatniks were assblasted with it
which is funny because "modern day russian goes to the past/fantasy world/MMO and fucks everything up with modern tactical shit" is like 90% of fantasy literature that Russia produces nowadays and even has its own term

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>>49707894

Needs more crusader kings

>>49712859
>why should we assume our side (or any side) would be superior?

Because if we aren't then magic better have some very clear restrictions that work within the boundaries of physics and when you have that you might as well have just natural laws instead.

You must realize that magic worlds are transhuman worlds but centered around aristocracies that hold all the power. These people can have:
>Instant comunications
>instant teleportation
>infinite energy
>working AIs
>literal divine favors
>metamaterials.

If farmers could do magic then you get something like medieval eclipse phase, you could go around changing bodies with possesion spells, constantly augmenting your inteligence with potions, constructing flying machines that work on handwavium... the only thing that magic lacks is healthy industrial capitalism for everyone to achieve this.

And since they don't even need heavy infraesctructure to support their system the advances would happen exponentially.

Like farmers getting out of work because if you treat seeds with MagicalGrownerTM and use earth golems to automatize the work then you don't even need farmers to attend the plants because the plants extract literal mater out of nowhere to grow in seconds.

In that regard GATE did something right, modern weapons are insanely powerful from a fantastic medieval standpoint of the knight going against the dragon, like a missile that not only corrects its course but also uses a shaped charge to penetrate and then explode inside, and this is something that can be used by simple people without any special gift and just months of training, and don't even try to take down the missile unless your reflexes and muscle precision are godlike.

And if a missile doesn't work because a magic field/uberarmor is protecting it then that thing is able to generate a continous stream of energy of several kW or the armor is made with literal unobtanium, which makes us go back to the transhuman thing.

>>49713106
kek

>>49707894
The worst part about GATE is that because it is somewhat popular, now if anyone ever tries to do something similar to it, people will claim its just a rip off.

But to move onto your main point, there are a few ways GATE could be improved, in both the controversial issues and in the general writing. The controversial issue, ie nationalism, has two solutions:

1. Real world politics are involved but no single nation has control over access to the fantasy world.
2. Focus entirely on the contrast of fantasy vs. modernity and ignore any real world consequences.

Now, if you want to do #2 you have two options, the first of which is to make is a Band of Brothers type story just focusing on the lives of a single military unit, but this has issues with how to make it last more than one season. The other option is to make the main POV a member of the fantasy setting, but it undermines the entire point of GATE, so I don't think it is a good idea either, so real world politics wins.

Now, something I need to point out is when I say real world politics are involved, I don't mean they should be the focus, nor do I mean political issues that exist independent of the fantasy world should be involved. Rather, I mean there should be multiple nations in the fantasy world allying themselves with the various real world countries involved. Which brings me to my first big difference with the premise of GATE: there should be more than one portal. Ideally, there should be not too many so that travel between the worlds can't be controlled, but enough so that no single country has a monopoly on them. Ideally, there would be 4-5, with most of them in major countries and then maybe one or two that end up in poorer nations that can result in problems for the second season. Also, if you don't want the influence of the fantasy on reality to be the focus in the first few seasons, don't put any gates in the middle of major cities. Put them in suburbs, so that there is still conflict.

>>49708419
>tfw I know a female combatant with the exact same figure, attitude and personality, except she's also got a disgusting tattoo on one thigh and is blonde instead of a brunette

Feels good.

Also she's a lesbian.

Feels... sorta nice.

>>49714546
There are too possibilities:

1. You are lying, are completely irrelevant and should fuck off.
2. You're one of the Israelis who've been raiding /tg/ the past months and should definitely fuck off.

>>49714342
On the subject of when and where to create conflicts, for the first season/campaign/whatever, do NOT normalize relations between the real and fantasy world. One of GATE's biggest problems is that by the end of the fourth or fifth episode, the JSDF has a pretty good idea of the world, has signed treaties and then for two episodes is in the boring real world. Save that shit for the ending climax and season two.

In fact, now that I think about it, the best parts of GATE are the first three episodes. If those episodes had instead been the entire first season, then it would have been a much stronger story. They got the right idea on what kinds of characters should be focused on (a few military guys and some elites from the empire) but then add too many supporting characters who don't do anything other than state the obvious. So really, the focus should be on the contrast between the cultures two characters come from, not random personal quirks. The setting is the focus, so characters like Rory should not be main cast members, and should not be around until later episodes when the fantasy world starts to fight back and we find out the limits our technology has.


The other important thing you need to decide on that no one seems to think about is how much of our real world fantasy literature do you want to include in the backstory. And I mean both in the fantasy world and in terms of "does LOTR exist in this version of Earth?" Because if you choose to make it as generic as possible and at the same time make those works exist, you end up with a large chunk of the dialogue being characters pointing out the similarities.

Gate was wasted potential for a setting. The story will kill some time, but it's nothing to write home about.

So let's use what's left of this thread to brainstorm how Gate (or a game based off of the concept) could have been awesome.

I enjoyed the plot point of Japan having to keep everything super-political because the rest of the world was vying for access to the special region. It's a massive shame that nothing had come if it.

Would it be treated as extraterrestrial soil? Would the UN have to oversee any potential colonization options?

>>49712982
I would like to know more, dear Anonovich

>>49714580
How are those the ONLY two possibilities there? Lol

>>49714600
>how much of our real world fantasy literature do you want to include in the backstory

idk about the show(if you take the military realism from GATE then I really don't have any reasons to watch anything so flawed) but in the manga you get: minotaurs, dark elves, furry servants, ogres... I think the author will add as many things as he feels the need to or thinks look cool, like I'm not a SJW or anything, but is it really necesary that any new woman they meet in the fantasy world seems like a graphic definition of a new fetish? Because dark elves wearing black leather and buckles wasn't very subtle from his part.

>>49714633
anon don't you know only Israelis mention female combatants?

>>49714678
That was actually what made me mention this, the fact that the very first episode ends with the main characters joking about finding monster girls and then finding said monster girls by the middle of the season was just a big facepalm moment for me.

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It falls into the usual tack of 'the heros never have setbacks or encounter significant resistance' that plagues several strains of anime. Pic related is another example that ultimately disappointed except it it's demonstration of 'Just how broken is an epic level caster when he encounters 1d8 adventurers.'

Now I have to wonder if it's something related to the concept of 'Mandate of Heaven' in which it is assumed that 'whoever won a conflict is retroactively the valorous and righteous hero supported by a harmonious universe'. Technically a Chinese political concept but so much cultural influence bled outwards historically that I have to wonder.

>>49711538
Drifters is great

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>>49707894
>the storyline is plenty refreshing

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>>49711258
I want the weedman to leave

>>49714616
>Would the UN have to oversee any potential colonization options?

Its extremely complicated.

From a risk reward viewpoint, any invasion of the gate will see returns, even if the other side is filled with foreign companies.

This means that a neutrality pact is signed and the UN is the basis for it. And I'm pretty sure of this, as irrational people might seem, its more profitable for everyone in this way and even what seem infinite rewards can't compensate a crude war of entire alliances trying to reach a very small portion of land.

Japan would be forced into a watcher position, and it would be allowed to tax the gate in accordance to a UN treaty so anyone turning a profit from it has to pay Japan, but under no circumstances Japan would be allowed to keep the gate for itself under "liberation" threats.

This would imply that after the initial recon from the UN/NATO has determined the zone as safe, only the richest companies would be able to exploit the initial resources creating an indirect hierarchy of countries acording to their power.

Also, taking care of the empire would be a very complicated issue by itself, on one hand they were the agressors and they conform into ways that would give them the status of "enemy of humanity" on the other hand we're too superior to them and this can turn easily into colonialism 2.0 under pure military might, which is not usefull in the long run.

That doesn't mean there wouldn't be no combat, just the nature of it, as it would be around surgical strikes to keep personal damage into minimum and the empire incapable of coordinating attacks or purely defensive by using psicological warfare and artillery to keep their huge armies away. These solutions would be applied until another solution is achieved diplomatically, and diplomacy is esential, destroy too many armies of the empire and you would be creating a huge power vacuum that could destabilize the entire world and make exchange much more dificult.

>>49715056
I'm fine with the Weedman. They can't all be Trumps.

>>49715077
I would have been fine with him if he didn't have an overwhelming majority. Like, that's what mediocre/shit elections should produce.

>>49714616
I would have liked it if it had happened to a country that in our world wasn't very powerful. Maybe a country in Africa or Asia that's still technologically behind, or even dialing back the clock a century to when China was still barely modern at best. So suddenly this country that has no power in our world is able to gain power by conquest in a world where even their limited tech gives them an edge, and they can learn from them to give them more of an edge in our world. Imagine how the Sino-Japanese War would have gone if China had dragons and magic at Shanghai.

>>49707894
So how much of that is liking its writing and how much of it is FUCK YEAH SHIT ALL OVER THE REST OF THE WORLD'S MILITARY MIGHT?

Because it sounds like you excused everything else that was bad about GATE simply because it was nationalistic as fuck for Japan rather than America or Russia or any other country.

And no, not assblasted about JSDF somehow outdoing high-end spec ops forces, I dropped this shit early on back when the main intentionally got himself taken prisoner by a knight order because they were all female after military forces gunned down an all male mercenary company with Apaches.

Knew it was going to be terribly pandering after that. And to be honest, by all means, I agree with you: GATE is a template to be improved upon because what's there is shit unless you drink the same kool-aid as the author or can turn your brain off for most of it.

>>49715156
The first thing this "limited nation" would do, is a huge weapons import since any money they loan will be returned easily.

Also, Gate you see phantoms f-4, hueys, cobras... its called the japanase DEFENSE forces for a reason.

>You got a portal linking a fantasy world and our reality
>Modern military
>discovery
>colonialism
>politics

Let's take this one-sided slaughter into a more interesting way. What about worlds fantasy, and scientific, past and future, or even fiction ?

What happens?

Salvation war did it better.

>>49715199

What are you asking here?

The entire gate is about fantasy/future vs science/past, its by itself all of those tropes.

>>49715156
>gate in northern Congo
>in the middle of the Second Congo War
oh fuck yes

>>49710904
I mean the premise isn't bad, what's bad is that they threw away that premise for a boring harem anime. Nope, no more watching a battalion of soldiers wipe out an army of a hundred thousand guys with swords, spears, bows, and dragons, now we have gothic lolita girl, we have elf girl who thinks the MC is her father or something retarded, we have tsundere soldier girl who shits on her commander, and we have some caster girl with no other qualities of note.

>>49715462
Basically. They pretty quickly get rid of all reason in order to have the quirky adventures of one guy and 7 waifus, like when they go on that trade mission to the city. Of all the perfectly good justifications to go to a city, they choose the stupidest one because it gives them an excuse to bring the waifus along.

>>49711124
Except Japan has released anime targeted at lazy NEETs that encourage them to join the work force before.

>>49711124
I'd put good money on Abe and co having funded a decent chunk of the anime to boost JSDF recruitment. Considering that they already use anime-fied versions of cute JSDF girls for recruitment props, it's not a long step.

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>>49708878
How deluded do you have to be to not accept that America has the best trained and best equipped military in the world? Is it just deep rooted insecurity? It's literally an objective fact, and this is coming from a Brit in our military. We and the Canadians are pretty good, along with Australian SOF if not their basic personnel, and as far as training goes I think I can be proud we're better than most of everyone else. However I can graciously accept that America undeniably is the best both in training and equipment, and with more practical experience than anyone else. Their basic personnel have more training and experience than other basic personnel, and their SOF have more training and experience than comparable units.

Their military has shitty politics in it, but that applies to everyone, the people that actually contribute to operations are great. As long as they aren't entirely green and have taken fire before, I'm more than happy to go into the shit with Americans, fighting shoulder to shoulder with them is essentially second nature by this point and I trust them because they're literally the best. I consider America and Canada's military personnel to essentially be brothers from other countries. I'm just a little envious that we haven't got as much funding/training and combat experience in the past few decades as the Americans have.

I couldn't give less of a shit about this animu bollocks, but let's be realistic if civilians are going to try to speak about shit they know nothing about.

>>49709325
It would be less cringy if all the other countries weren't depicted as incompetent saturday morning cartoon villains. Or ylu know actually worked with the Japanese in a joint task force like real life.

>>49715156

I'd have liked if there were, say, 10 gates around the world.

But your idea is fine too.

>>49712656
This I quit watching when they went to went to Earth and didn't deal with the cultural backlash of say, footage of the atomic bombings or modern democratic government.

>>49717129

As much as we sometimes make fun of america for being world police and sticking their nose where it isn't wanted, thinking about the alternative gives me nightmares. America really wants to be the good guys, like they are in the movies. If they let themselves slip into being the bad guys and stopped giving a shit about appearances, they would be an absolute monster.

>>49717231
> Or ylu know actually worked with the Japanese in a joint task force like real life.

Thats the part that always got me. America has so many defense treaties with Japan its not funny. Japan is literally invaded by a foreign power at the start of the show. Just a lot more foreign than anyone would have guessed.

There would have been American boots on the ground storming the Gate probably before the attack on Tokyo was finished being mopped up. Thats not even them being evil and taking control of it, though they will totally do that too in the future. They literally have to show up and help defend Japan.

>>49717392
I know there have only been two powers that have really had global weight - Britain and America - but I don't think any power that's ended up hegemonic has ever not wanted to be the good guys.

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>>49707894
>Let's be honest, I fucking love GATE.
>the storyline is plenty refreshing

On some level I like encountering posters like you. You reassure me that my taste in entertainment media has yet to hit rock bottom.

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GATE would have been significantly better if instead of modern day Japan, it was late 70's Cold War USA and USSR who got the gates.

Secret Medieval proxy war when?

>>49717744
I smell a good plothook

>>49717744
Let's see if we can get an HBO show or something of the sort about a standard fantasy world being invaded by Murcia and the ruskies, and dealing with grunts and Spooks on both sides.

Shit would be fuckin fire yo.

>>49717308
>Dealing the the footage of the atomic bombings.

I have the suspicion a Japanese artist would forget to add that for some reason.

>>49707894
Where is comfort women and horrible mistreatment of civilians and PoWs by Japanese in GATE?

>>49708649

>and to be fair they're pretty ludicrously far behind countries like the US, Canada, and Britain in competency

I'm from Canada and wa? Are you serious? Fuck we joke about our military all the time but that's just sad.

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>>49717792
To add to this:

>US/USSR encounter one big empire
>Both US/USSR hate the emperor
>US flatters some kings/princes/dukes, while the USSR riles up the peasants
>Both start handing guns to the factions
>Native Serfs and nobles face a huge culture clash. The ease of killing with these new-fanged guns leaves many to doubt their antiquated faiths and cultures and try to adopt American/Soviet styles. others have difficulty handling the existential crisis.
>US and USSR are hesitant to openly engage each other, so the Empire breaks into a three way civil war (US-aligned rebels vs Soviet-aligned rebels vs Empire)
>To try and counter guns, the Empire invokes magic spell casting (Not something your little villager can pull off. Even the most experienced magicians have to focus very strongly to counjour flames from their hands) and dials the religious extremism of their Pantheon to 11
>It works to demoralize and shake the will of the peasant/noble proxies
>US/USSR aid their forces with airstrikes/armored battalions
>Eventually US and USSR forces meet in battle
>Shit hits the fan quick
>conventional warfare between US and USSR, with Empire people caught in the middle
>Talk of nukes being moved through the gates...

I'm not even talking about the economic/intel/medical/sociological/etc shenanigans that'd be going on

It'd be awesome

>>49717891
Your military is actually pretty good, m8, at least the ones that see combat. Not as good as America I suppose but in training and competency I'd put them in the top 5. I love working with them.

>>49717551
Very rarely does an empire set out saying "lets conquer the world" they generally are forced to expand and grow in power due to circumstances forced upon them. Rome only expanded in order to defend itself and its allies, and even when they defeated enemies they tended to opt towards alliance instead of outright annexation, the US was fine being an isolationist nation, but between German submarine warfare, Pearl Harbour, and trying to keep democracy from collapsing in Europe the US was forced to become an interventionist military power. Really the only empire I can think of that was outright focused on conquest for the sake of conquest was Alexander the Great's, even Genghis Khan destroyed Persia to avenge insults.

>>49717392
>If they let themselves slip into being the bad guys and stopped giving a shit about appearances
They would be Russians.

>>49717891
>Fuck we joke about our military all the time but that's just sad.
leaf military has shit equipment and laughable funding, but as far as training and attitude goes they're quality

t. undisclosed leaf military man

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>>49707894
>Let's be honest, I fucking love GATE.
There's your first problem, as >>49708056 said, you have shit taste. I mean, you can try to defend it and take guesses at people nationalities, but ultimately you "love" a one-sided slaughter with a bad MC and fan-service loli.Want to improve the gate template? Erase it and start over.

>>49717129
>How deluded do you have to be to not accept that America has the best trained and best equipped military in the world?
>best trained
>have little practice or experience of mass mobilization across Europe in the event that slavs get uppity and start a war
>thinks killing sandpeople armed with cheap export models and little tech to rival the US is hard
lol k

>I couldn't give less of a shit about this animu bollocks, but let's be realistic if civilians are going to try to speak about shit they know nothing about.
You weren't recruited for your brains buddy, I doubt you know much about anything.

>>49707894

I stopped reading when a single JSDF soldier took out 4 armed roman soldiers while only wielding a combat knife (or bayonet, I forget, regardless it was pretty stupid)

Also generic fuck boy otaku hero, who suddenly gets a harem because hes also 1337 badass soldier.

Japan stronk and gud

every1 else weak and evul

grrrr

>>49714621
Short version: modern russian fantasy is written by rabid monkeys and it's quality is lower than GATE, or pretty much any LN. There's no point in trying to write something good (or at very least readable), because no one cares and no one buys these books. And the best way to sell this glorified fanfiction is pandering to the masses - with gratuitous amounts of RUSSIA STRONK and OUR MILITARY IS DA BEST. All of this is so poorly written that in some cases it causes physical pain when read.

>>49714914

Ironically the light novel goes into the politics of kingdoms and supplies a lot. I found that bit actually very neat.

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>>49707894
>what would happen when modern human get access to this medieval-like world
We would get rekt by fantasy beasts and magic users.

>implying that American media doesn't have heaps and heaps and motherfucking heaps of stories which can be summed as "SEE HOW STRONG AND MORAL WE ARRRRRRRRRE" where every other country is depicted as a bunch of evil, incompetent monkeys

Congrats, Burgers, you now know how it feels to be on the other side.

>>49718400
Come back when you've taken fire in your life, kiddo. You don't know as much as you think you know.

>>49718968
Well the difference here is that America is actually right :^)

>>49718995
>actually right
>haven't won a war since WWII
>constantly enters conflicts only to escape with tail between legs a decade later shocked that the tactic of "throw enough money at it" failed yet again
>desperate to be depicted as heroic, plucky soldiers again against ANYTHING WHATSOEVER to reaffirm the possibility that they might own whatever victories they did ever get to something more than being able to throw money

>>49719055
I actually remember reading an interesting article that mentions something like that as the reason for the American obsession with invasion stories (e.g. America invaded by aliens, America invaded by Russians, America invaded by North Koreans, etc.). It's been so long since America has entered any conflict where they didn't have a ginormous firepower advantage, and so long since they've decisively won any, that the American psyche pretty much really does crave "reaffirmation": after all, when you manage to defeat a superior power as the underdog, it proves that you're brave and smart and totally deserve it. It can't be chalked down to "we could afford to throw enough money".

>>49719055
>>haven't won a war since WWII
Iraq?

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>>49719092
4/10
Made me respond, I guess.

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>>49719085
>America invaded by Russians
This kind of stories always makes me laugh. This is so stupid, so deviod of any actual reason WHY would Russians even try to INVADE America other than HURR REVENGE WE R STRONK AGAIN, it makes alien invasion look realistic.

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>>49719138
>>49719147
>>49719189
Oh come on you fuckers, why can't you just play along for a minute?

>>49719055
You gotta love how every mention of the Israeli military on 4chan will get immediately answered with ">implying any victory matters when backed by American money", even though the Americans have literally fought all of their wars in the past half century by literally doing the exact same, except with a lot more money used a lot less smartly.

>>49719242
Well, when you've got the money, why not?

>>49719257
Oh, don't get me wrong. It's a perfectly sensible approach. It just doesn't make you very heroic or proves you very capable, certainly not more so than the guys who accomplish more with less (which would be most active modern militaries, the Israelis just get the most commonly accused of it on 4chan because admitting they've ever done anything commendable is anathema)

>>49719242
That's because jews are bad.

>>49717551
>but I don't think any power that's ended up hegemonic has ever not wanted to be the good guys.
Rome and Alexander had zero interest in being "the good guys." Same for Britain, really. You would NOT see anything even vaugely equivalent;ent to a CBG being used to deliver relief to random countries of no importance after a tsunami, or the work that the US military puts in to save jap civilians whenever disaster strikes, up to and including flat out ignoring the Japanese government when they start being obstructive.

We may do horrible shit, but it's almost universally well intentioned. Fuck, even the senators i'd see lined up and shot genuinely THINK they're helping the country.

We just want bad guys to fight. Give us bad guys and let us hurt them, world.

>>49718242
>Rome only expanded in order to defend itself and its allie
Myth. Rome made up excuses for wars all the time, or forced people to violate treaties. Rome expanded for profit more than anything, ESPECIALLY after italy was secured.

>>49719242
americans using american money versus non americans using american money

mind, the israelis aren't really using american money any smarter than americans have, beyond the fact that they're smart enough to guilt someone else into paying for their fuckups

>>49719085
>so long since they've decisively won any,
Tell Saddam that. One of the largest armies in the world gone in less than a week, the largest tank battle in American history won with next to no casualties.

Decisive military victory isn't what's lacking, decisive political victories are.

Hence the general love and trust of our military as opposed to our shit politicians.

>>49708815

In that case, GATE mostly boils down to "What if Japan invaded the ME?"

I don't care about the Waifus ore the Japan Military Wanking...my issue with it is that it's basically boring as fuck.

There is not a single moment of actual struggle or a foe that can't be overwhelmed with modern military weapons. It's a fantasy setting with everything removed that could actually make it threatening.

>>49719371
>One of the largest armies in the world gone in less than a week
Yeah, more like "one of the largest collections of monkeys with sticks in the world". What an epic victory.

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>>49718995
>Come back when you've taken fire in your life, kiddo.
Can't think of a better response? Feelings a little hurt right now? You should go start a thread in /k/, you'll have an easier time there friend.

>>49719406
The soviets expected a firm defeat of coalition forces.
http://fmso.leavenworth.army.mil/documents/rs-storm.htm

American casualty projections were also extemely high.

>>49719420
>The soviets expected
Why am I not surprised?
>American casualty projections were also extemely high.
Also not surprising. So everyone expected Americans to fail, but they sucessfully beat bunch of sand niggers. It indicates that everyone thought that american military was shit, not that iraq military was exeptionally strong.

>>49719371
I know the Americans would love for the whole world to forget this, but the truth is that war always has been and always will be about the achievement of goals, not the wanton annihilation of the enemy (in which case, one may want to note, the Americans still failed).

The Americans set out to accomplish a set of goals of which only a minuscule amount were achieved, and at a ludicrous expense of life, resources and damage to America's public image.

The Iraq wars (both of them) are historical monuments to the embarrassing American military mindset and incompetence of the late 20th century - even the Americans themselves, from media experts to actual strategists, agree on this almost unequivocally. In each one, America bumbled into the scene of a war it knew nothing about for morally suspicious reasons, drunkenly flailing around like a blind giant waving million dollar military hardware causing massive collateral damage under the leadership of armchair generals concerned mostly with how to make the best news footage, missing the enemy by a mile, then getting pissy when instead of the praises and adulation they expected the entire world condemns them for being violent buffoons.

Nobody, the Americans least of all, would say that the Americans won.

>>49715064
That's assuming countries want to play ball.

All Japan has to do is do what they did in the series - Say "No" and not listen to the UN or any other nations. What's America going to do, invade Japan again, a nation that's their ally that is under their protection? It would be a diplomatic nightmare.

I'm not saying that it wouldn't happen like you say, but it would be very, very easy to kick that ball 20-30 years down the line, and it's very likely that no country is going to want to try and fight the bureaucratic and very unpopular war that would come in trying to force troops onto Japanese soil and *make* them give up the Gate. And all Japan has to do is keep saying no, they don't agree with the treaty, maybe come back in a year and we'll all agree on something else. And by the time that foreign countries do get access to the Gate, not only is Japan going to have hella taxes and tariffs in place and a delicious UN deal but they're going to have a huge headstart in business and enterprise. If anything, Japan is being too nice to the Empire and to the rest of the nations, it'd probably just get stonewalled in red-tape and usual Japanese isolationism brick walls that make them so aloof right now.

>>49719483
>first gulf war
>not wildly successful
Pick one.
Kuwait was liberated and the Iraqi army beaten into submission and left unable to cause problems for American interests in the region.

>>49719483
>bumbled into the scene of a war it knew nothing about for morally suspicious reasons, drunkenly flailing around like a blind giant waving million dollar military hardware causing massive collateral damage under the leadership of armchair generals concerned mostly with how to make the best news footage,
Sounds like "/k/: The military operation".

>>49719519
>What's America going to do, invade Japan again
>We need to liberate the Gate from the clutches of insane greedy militaristic Japanese
Eh, why not? It's not like it will be very hard to do.

>>49719519
>What's America going to do, invade Japan again, a nation that's their ally that is under their protection? It would be a diplomatic nightmare.
Threaten to pull out. Getting chinked is a serious fear for the japanese, and for good reason.

>>49719570
>Getting chinked is a serious fear for the japanese, and for good reason.
And that reason is?..

>>49719242
>>49719344
I think it's less about the money being used and more about the hypocrisy of invoking the sentiment that "the IDFs victories prove nothing about their capability as an army because they were all achieved using drone bombers against kids with kalashnikovs" whilst at the same time continuing to claim American capability despite the exact same logic applying to them to an even higher degree Especially with the national butthurt over doing the exact same in Vietnam AND STILL LOSING, which hasn't abated to this day.

It all ties back to one of the largest complexes in the collective American psyche, which is that of attribution. It is one of human nature's most fundamental traits, according to most current psychological theories, that people seek to be able to attribute their own successes to capability and their failures to misfortunes. Conversely, people are very uncomfortable when confronted with the possibility of the reverse being true (i.e. their success was down to luck, their failures were really their fault). This is very hard to do when you are, arguably, the luckiest country in human history. Almost regardless of how you spin it or how much you emphasize the difficulty of the revolutionary war, the fact remains that for the most part America was handed the world's richest continent on a silver platter, and ever since then, has had to face the troubling possibility that their every achievement has been down to that historical stroke of luck.

That is why the Americans are so desperate for stories about being invaded by a massively technologically or numerically superior foe (and still managing to win, of course). They haven't been able to feel like underdogs for centuries, and when you defeat someone from a point of overwhelming superiority you don't feel like a winner, you feel pointless at best and like a bully at worst.

>>49719588
>I think it's less about the money being used and more about the hypocrisy of invoking the sentiment that "the IDFs victories prove nothing about their capability as an army because they were all achieved using drone bombers against kids with kalashnikovs" whilst at the same time continuing to claim American capability despite the exact same logic applying to them to an even higher degree
^that. No matter how you look at it or what percentage of the IDF's victories were "due to superior firepower" rather than skill, you have to admit that this percentage was massively higher with the Americans. If however many drone bombers they used mean that their victories are meaningless, than the same is true for America.

Which puts /pol/ in one of those delicious "do I vote for a pro-Israeli republican or an anti-Israeli democrat" we so love seeing them in because they can either claim it's so and that by extension America isn't quite so skilled at war as they'd like to think it is (just uses a lot of expensive weapons against sticks and stones), or claim it's not and be forced to admit the Israelis are good at something.

>>49719585
Mostly the fact that china is expansionist as shit, hates the Japs, desperately needs ways to distract their populace form how much they hate the party and their shit living conditions, and the simple fact that japan has zero chance of survival if china decides that they'd make a good target.

This logic is literally the reason behind most politics in east asia right now-EVERYONE is trying to form better relations with their neighbors to deter china, and a lot of nations are desperate for the US navy to stay around.

The flips are the only exception, and it's pretty widely held that president dumbass is just sabre rattling because it's an election year and he wants free shit.

>>49717129

>and this is coming from a Brit in our military

I find myself doubting this, given that every British soldier I've spoken to has considered the American's to have a bigger budget, but worse training.

>>49719588
>this level of ridiculous bullshit
Are you Russian or something?

>>49719520
I just wrote a massive post about the history of the region, but you know what? Fuck this shit, I'm going to need six just to get to the part where the war starts.

Learn the history of the region, starting with the fall of the Mosaddegh regime in 1953 (and if your first reaction is "Mosaddegh? That's Iran, not Iraq!", that only goes to further prove the point). It's interesting, it's illuminating, and it's a fantastic lesson in how the modern world works.

>>49710128

No those things happen because the writers/executives assume that all Americans will get super offended when they aren't the heroes. It's the design-by-committee disease that makes everything absurdly bland because of a bunch of dumb assumptions in order to maximize profits by appealing (or at least avoiding offending) as many demographics as possible, including some small group of Americans who really do believe that only Americans can be the good guys, and never the bad guys.

Plus, Americans are bad guys all the time in media, though often they face off against good Americans.

>>49719610

>The flips are the only exception, and it's pretty widely held that president dumbass is just sabre rattling because it's an election year and he wants free shit.

Wait didn't he just get elected this year? Does the Philippines have two elections as in are the presidential elections separate from other elections?

Also I'm more willing to bet that Duterte is super anal devastated that Obama refused to visit after Duterte called him a son of a bitch and that's why he's doing the pro-China bullshit (fun fact don't call people sons of bitches if they stand to lose way less than you do).

>>49715195

It's not so much that it's Nationalistic as fuck, but that the last time Japan was nationalistic as fuck 10 million Chinese, tens of thousands of British and Americans and hundreds of thousands of Japanese died.

it's the same reason people would get worried if Germany became Nationalistic as fuck.

(And don't go and say 'Chinese don't count, who cares about those slant-eyed bastards', which is what is always said every time this is pointed out)

>>49719623
They don't exactly sound like the most objective source on the matter. Wouldn't EVERY military want to think something to that extent?

I had an extremely vocal Weeaboo who wanted us to run a GATE game. So I ran a GATE game.

I made the Weeb cry as Japan was taken over in exactly 4 weeks as the JDF were slaughtered wholesale.

>>49719707
You could make the opposite opinion ("Wouldn't the Americans want to think everyone else is just jealous?"). When there's no real objective measurement, due to the aforementioned issue of "how much of America's victories could be attributed to skill when they've always ever been achieved through massively superior firepower?" it's always going to be pointless.

>>49719728
Well that's just mean, you know.

>>49719728
I don't know just how much anime it takes to make a non-native Japanese man actually give a shit about the JSDF, but I don't think most minds could really take that sort of abuse

>>49719792
>>49719773

I also tailored to the enemy to be as Anti-Weeb as possible and alot of the non-players had fun.

The Weeb left after Japan was taken control of, but the game kept going and eventually ended on a rather nice note.

The Weebstomping as fun through, I could post if you care enough.

>>49719818
>I also tailored to the enemy to be as Anti-Weeb as possible
I don't know which one of you is bigger That Guy - weeb-retard or you.

>>49719818
>I created a whole game in order to mock a player whose choices in media I disagree with! Praise my genius!

John Wick? Is that you?

>>49719823
>>49719834

I don't excuse myself being a dick, but it was worth it. He was pushing me asking "For a game like GATE it'll be awesome watch the anime and see" for months and was a general shit in the group.

The rest of the group actually enjoyed playing as "Japanese Shadowrun freedom fighters" Which was how I planned the entire campaign out. The Introduction was just purposely designed to shit on GATE as much as possible.

>>49719862
Nope, the way you went about it was still John Wick tier passive-aggressive exploitative GM bullshit.

>>49719869
Perhaps, but the only person who didn't have fun was the weeb because he expected to faceroll everything with a gun.

It wasn't really passive aggressive anyway, it was aggressive aggressive.

>>49719862
>but it was worth it.
Really now. If weeb guy was such a dick, why not just tell him "Get fucked I'm not interested in GATE, just shut the fuck up already"? Instead you chose to be as passive-agressive as possible and made a game specifically to fuck with some random retard/ Instead of, I don't know, running some actually interesting game.

>>49719909
Because I already tried that and he kept pestering me with emails, whining how I did other people's campaign ideas.

So I did a game inspired by GATE, it just wasn't exactly like GATE.

>>49719935
Have you tried ignoring him?

>>49719935
You're digging yourself deeper, anon. You weren't brilliant, you were a dick. You did a dick thing. Nobody will praise you for it, they will continue calling you a dick. The more you bring it up, the more it will happen. Let it go.

>>49719959
I regret nothing. The Weeb player even grew up and remembers the campaign as something he would have enjoyed if he wasn't in his "I <3 Japan" weeb phase.

>>49719976

I wonder. How did Japan get conquered in your game?
Did you take the "Only Magic can defeat Magic" approach?"
Or did you take the spellcross approach were the world was fucked over with weather magic causing natural disasters and human cultists sabotaging everything?

>>49720274
The "I'm the GM, I have absolute power" approach, presumably, where things happen because the game is intended to deliver a message, not make sense.

Would be more fun if for example rennaissance poland found the gate.

>>49720334
Winged hussars vs not-romans and tank dragons
i like it

>enter GATE thread
>watch as everyone mocks it as Japanese military masturbation whilst simultaneously talking about how much more "awesome" it would have been if, say, for example, the gate would've opened in THEIR country, where the army really is amazing and perfect and it could focus on THEIR army being super good and conquering the fantasy kingdom and it would just be so fucking great and...

Every fucking time.

>>49718397
I'm no soldier but in pop culture low funding + top training is always considered the most badass.

>>49719483
>>49719531
That's pretty much what it was. America was still recovering from the (interior and exterior) PR disaster that was Vietnam and was desperate to show everyone how all their cool new toys can now definitely totally win wars super duper easy and look good on camera too.

>>49717895

Star Trek Literally Did This.

>>49720441
Nice strawman.

>>49712754
Gate would have worked better if they faced off against something more balanced, like for example a rennaissance army or something similar, since they have guns and cannons but they aren't fully automatic and that shit.

>>49712754
>>49720679

No it would be better if it proved to be asymetrical warfare - but going both ways. Like neither side could deal with the other's tools and tactics.

The fantasy armies would be unprepared for mortar fire, the modern armies would be unprepared for Scry-&-Die assaults. "What's with these guys? They didn't even set up anti-teleport circles around their generals?"

>>49720699
Did they have teleportation in the story though?
A rennaissance army would have trouble as is in the universe, the not-romans brought forth like 100,000 troops or some shit and they have literal flying tanks and similar things.
Would already be balanced as is with that.

>>49720462
ALWAYS FORCED TO BE SELF RELIANT! CUT OFF FROM THEIR COUNTRY! ONE SQUAD! ONE BADASS LEADER WHO KEEPS SAYING HE DOESN'T WANT TO BE HERE!

>>49720679

Nah, gate is just fine as it is, it just need some more politics and questions about the consequences of a magical world being integrated into a much superior technological one.

The closest thing you should get is something like the Zulus going against a few hundred badly provisioned men and still having something 10.000 loses, not from technological standpoints but also from the superior systematical and organizative aproaches of flexible command structures and our vision of cultural democracy, because I really don't mind showing those savages elves the ways of civilization as it should be, wether they like it or not.

>>49720727
I disagree,

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>>49720722

>>49720735
Well, the author was in the JSDF so making a story that compares how much we have advanced from the roman times and all fronts, from a realistic standpoint should also be very interesting and, if done right, can be even educative about our own history.

And from time to time I wouldn't even mind some wankery, like tanks getting surrounded by legionaries that try to use hammers to no avail, or fire and still nothing happens, and even a magician comes by and uses lighting or a fireball and he just took some NBQ paint off and suddenly the tank commander recieves the permision to defend himself and then 10 die from standing close to the cannon when it shoots and the MG3 starts ripping of extremities while everyone is running and the guunner, commander and driver are laughing their ass off because they know they are in a giant hause-sized machine of pure "fuck you".

Goddamn, I fucking love tanks.

>>49720792
I'd still find it more interesting with some rennaissance era army because it would be much closer between the two in who wins, which leads to a more interesting storyline, to be honest, and then you would have these two factions that are pretty much at war and not understanding of one another until one of them wins because I don't think that they would save a city from a bandit raid or some stupid shit like that.

You can still have the "culture clash" because they both handle things very differently and whatnot but there will be less stupid elements and the europeans could still wreck any shield formations with line infantry.

>>49718359

I agree on personality, but I don't think you understand the gravity of the situation that would be America turning bad.

America has more aircraft carriers than the entire rest of the world COMBINED. The american military spending, in a peacetime environment no less, is equal to that of the next 15 largest global militaries added together.

This is why other countries watch American elections all the time and get nervous when people like Trump get too close to the white house. The american military machine is something no one, not even russia or china, wants to be on the other side of. It would only take one or two bad leaders to throw the USA's weight around to cause absolutely massive damage that makes the war on terror look like a firecracker.

>>49720824

I understand what are you referring to, but conflic doesn't need to arise from just two sides, it can come from your own conscience of knowing that you're just making the same mistakes all over again or finding out that after winning the consequences of your acts where so powerfull that will haunt you for the rest of your life.

Having a story about how you're being an asshole to the indigenous peoples of fantasy land or what consequences rise from uplifting these backward cultures, that have clear fantastical backgrounds, can still be quite interesting.

But I think we can find a middle ground if we go the Zipang route, where you're still a modern military but without a way to restore all the fuel and ammo you use to defend yourself(like one of the real concerns of Zipang was that "ok, we can destroy all of those planes with missiles but we would severely hinder our own stockpiles")

>>49720462
OSP = GOAT

Why build F18s when you can just get a few well trained men to Solid Snake it. Also, Leafs come with prepackaged bonuses vs Russia.
>Alabaster Whiteness
Camo and blending in with citizenry
>Cold Resistance

Just give them a bottle of maple syrup to put in their vodka and a Leaf operative can survive a whole Russian winter

>>49720824
A renaissance army is no closer to winning against modern, they'd just be better at understanding how fucked they are because they might be able to comprehend what artillery is.

The advances in how warfare is waged over the last hundred years alone (much less the last 400) have been so dramatic that the origional tripod interpretation of overwhelmingly powerful sci-fi Martians in 1897s War of the Worlds were replaced with unbreakable forcefield hovertanks when a script writer asked how effective the tripods would be against a modern army (particularly discounting nukes.)

What was previously an unimaginably mobile and elevated firebase for all-terrain assault and domination in 1900 would plinked away by tank rifles in 1920, shredded by autocannons in 1930, popped by squad mortars and obliterated mobile heavy artillary in the 1940s, and by the 1950s any foot soldier could be carrying a disposable anti-tank rocket for just such an occasion.

>>49721361

I have even heard arguments that armies circa when the book was meant to be set (1902-1904ish) that armies of the time would be able to take the Tripods. The advances in artillery between then and when it was written were quite significiant. (Boer war changing artillery from direct fire to indirect fire and going to much faster rates of fire)

>>49717129
>Best trained
U fuckin wot m8?

Your fucking hard-as-nails marine corps is about equal to Britain's county regiments in terms of training. Your special forces go to BRITAIN'S special forces for training!

Sure, you have better equipment, I'm not even going to TRY and dispute that; in terms of the sheer scale and sophistication of weaponry and intel, I don't think there's many that could match the US and definitely none that could beat them. But in terms of training, you don't match up, so don't try to pretend you do.

America's stuck in the past, in a war of grand maneuvers and huge offensives. Meanwhile, Britain's special forces, the type of forces that see the most action across the globe, lead the world in terms of efficacy and results.

>>49721361
No, I meant 17th/16th century europe finds a gate to the fantasy realm, I said that would be interesting and more balanced.

>>49721629
Oh, well. That it would. Though, I'm fairly sure that basically happened a few times in the actual age of imperialism, you know, sans the dragons and wizards and such. Could be interesting.

>>49721521
>being this butthurt
Are you retarded or something?

>>49707894
How well does gate relate to this; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=46gZuEYRCS4

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The truth is, modern weaponry really can't compensate against the harsh and robust lifestyle of the middle ages, which birthed a population that was by and far much more physically fit compared to the modern man. Just because something's new doesn't mean it's better. For instance, the most sophisticated radar in the world wouldn't be able to detect something as simple as an arrow (admittedly, this is more of a calibration issue). Thus, allowing archers to get the drop on any modern army.

>>49721790
Fucking really? man i thought avatar was the fucking worst but this is some bullshit.

>>49721790
Why are the Japanese cab drivers firing arrows at the Apaches

>>49707894
I've always liked An American Yankee in King Arthur's Court and I think there was even a Transformers episode where they curbstomped the medievals. And it turned out that Merlin's Dragon's Bane was just gunpowder.

So yeah, I actually dig GATE. I'm fine with superior firepower overwhelming primitive armies. Magic really can't overcome tech without being so powerful/prevalent that it wouldn't make sense outside of a Chuuni setting. I can imagine guerilla tactics working against the JSDF to some degree though.

>>49721759
Anyone?

>>49722024
You're bad at baiting.

>>49721790
>The truth is, modern weaponry really can't compensate against the harsh and robust lifestyle of the middle ages, which birthed a population that was by and far much more physically fit compared to the modern man.
Except people who lived in the middle ages were manlets compared to people today. The received inferior nutrition to what we do now and would be notably weaker.

>>49720834
They are on a quest for world conquest for more than a century now. Murrica has long gone bad.
It's just easier and cheaper no work via puppet organization's like the nato, wto and shit than waging open war.

>>49722297
Buttmad russian detected.

>>49722258
Smaller yes, weaker for their size nah.

>>49722376
German actually, murrika made us their madjuko.

>>49722835
>implying this is something bad

>>49722945
Ask the Chinese how they feel about Japan now.

>>49723130
>implying humans should care what chinese think

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>>49721790
This is AMAZING bait. I need to save this text with this image to use for later.

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>>49707894
>the storyline is plenty refreshing

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I like how the american president references something from Japanese History. A reference that most people from outside of Japan won't understand.

>>49723571
Obama is clearly a polymath well versed in Japanese history.

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>>49712455
I can see the potential here. It opened in Japan so they have the lead role but an multinational force scouts it out. I like it.

Also cut the otaku crap

>>49714914
No, this is a rather recent thing. Several older anime have villains that actually pose a threat, this whole trend of massively overpowered MCs is very new.

>>49721790
>For instance, the most sophisticated radar in the world wouldn't be able to detect something as simple as an arrow (admittedly, this is more of a calibration issue). Thus, allowing archers to get the drop on any modern army.
Exept any modern military would have a parameter in sight larger then the archer could watch and sneak up

>>49721790
Honestly, until relatively recently, medieval or ancient weaponry could still potentially be viable against a modern army. Longbows would shoot faster than muskets, that sort of thing.

Imagine if instead of a very modern force, you only had a relatively modern one. Even one as late as WW1 would still be using bayonet charges and armored horsemen.

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>>49724478
But the early guns would be used as weapons of fear

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NjlCVW_ouL8

>>49724478
Muskets fire slower, sure, but that's why you have two lines that switch.

>>49724478
>longbows
>viable anytime recently
laughingtercio.jpg

>>49724791
>Grande y Felicísima Armada isn't great or fortunate
Just let that sink in for a moment

>>49720519

>Simpsons did it!

Doesn't mean somebody else couldn't do it better.

>>49720519
Really? When?

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As an enlistedfag, GATE just makes me wish the armed forces had more qts in it. Even AF girls are pretty ugly.

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>>49707894
>I know plenty of burgers and vatniks were assblasted with it, as japan is depicted as both "gud boi dindu nuffin" and "l33t as fuck", but still the storyline is plenty refreshing, and basically satisfied my imagination/fantasy of what would happen when modern human get access to this medieval-like world


That wouldn't really happen though; it isn't a good "hypothetical" in any manner or shape of thereof of it's hypothetical situation, but what REALLY bothers me about it is it took such a massive and interesting idea and shrink wrapped it to the adventures of 1 guy and his harem.

I'm just going to call this situation "Gate" because it's a good name, but "Gate" would be Africa.
Modern civilizations attempts at colonizing a Fantasy Realm would play out exactly as Africa: Tribal Warfare, local getting weapons, disease, famine, initial colonization eventually followed by "we didn't do nuthin's " getting the vote and proceeding to ruin their own infrastructure and chasing out all the non-fantasy people.
In like 120 years the Fantasy Realm would be a place nobody went to for fear of getting curses, fantasy aids, and getting mugged by gnomes- You'd only get thrill seekers and retirerees out there with nothing to lose and something to prove.

We'd introduce horrible diseases they'd have no resistance against and alien species that would ruin their unique and sensitive environment. What if they didn't have rabbits? What if their super-continent-fantasy-realm didn't have RABBITS? Did you see what happened to Australia?

They'd introduce magic and magic with modern sensibilities would change EVERYTHING. NOTHING WOULD BE THE SAME EVER AGAIN.

>>49725080

The crazy little firecracker isn't meant to be particularly attractive, she's just got huge tits.

Anime tends to make everyone look either really attractive or really ugly.

>>49725145
>Fantasy Realm becomes rabbit-infested shithole
kektimus maximus

>>49725145
Give them cockroaches and one of those fuckhueg insect swarms that i forgot the name of

>>49725375
You mean these?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rocky_Mountain_locust
Maybe if they still existed.

>5 foot tall Japanese girl winning at hand to hand combat with only her baïonette against dozen of 7 foot tall barbarians veterans expert in swordfights twice her weight

Never cease to piss me off
Everything else was great tho

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Gate is shit, and you're using "butthurt Yankees" as an excuse to deflect all criticism bumbles my Canadian ass to no end.

Also, what kind of fucking ass-backwards pussy bitch do you have to be where your form of nationalism and pride is "Men with guns savagely murder primitives". I wish I could find the picture but someone actually compiled information that proves that the JSDF in GATE are actually more savage and barbaric than the Roman Empire in their wars.

Also I love how the JSDF completely trounces the natives. As much as you'd like to wave your dick around, people aren't stupid, they just have less collected knowledge than we do. If you were to invade the Roman empire, you wouldn't overcome them with guns and tanks, you'd essentially be teaching the Romans how to make guns, and maybe even tanks somewhere down the lines.

At least the Yankees have their power fantasies where they beat up foes superior to them like Independence Day or the Michael Bay Transformers. GATE is wish fulfillment horse shit. Lol we liberated this country and all got wives!

Fuck you, I'll fuck you until you love me, you cunt.

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>>49725540

>I wish I could find the picture but someone actually compiled information that proves that the JSDF in GATE are actually more savage and barbaric than the Roman Empire in their wars.

you mean this thing?

>>49709359
Which is hilarious considering the MC is considered a badass because he earned US Ranger tabs.

>>49709477
>Expecting a conflict in a story instead of an endless circle jerk? That's awful. This story was made for a japanese audience, and apparently that means you have no right to expect quality or verisimilitude from a work.

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>>49725687
Thank you, my white friend.

>Take somewhat interesting premise of modern tech vs magic fantasy
>"You know what this idea is missing? Harems, mary sues, self insert MCs, and nationalist wank"
And so GATE was written

>>49710861
There is also fiction where you can portray every country in a nuanced, believable way. It doesn't have to be all one way or the other.

>>49707894
>herpa derp what would happen if modern military in fantasy land?

Whatever you fucking want.

Jesus Christ, this is the most idiotic question. The nature of the fantasy world interacting with our own is entirely dependent on what kind of story the author wants to tell. The gate could lead to a world of sexy catgirls. It could lead to a world of invincible horrors. It could lead to the Elemental Plane of Horse. There is no such thing as a "standard" fantasy-world, no matter what the autists of /tg/ might claim.

The writer of GATE clearly wanted to write a giant military wankfest about the JSDF running roughshod over a fantasy world, so he wrote the inhabitants of said fantasy world to be complete pushovers. You can't "improve" on GATE, because GATE is exactly what it's creator set out to make. You could tell a different story with the same starting point, but then you're not improving GATE - you're just writing your own damned story.

>>49721790
This is fucking art, holy shit.

I'm dying over here.

>>49708450
That doesn't exactly make it better.

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>>49725687
What would happen if you replaced the JSDF with the Imperial Guard?
(we'll just say Cadians for convenience)

>>49719242
It's not as smart because the American government's aims are not to further America's interests but to advance the interests of certain lobbies who throw money at our politicians.

>>49719585
>Why would the Japanese fear a Chinese invasion?

Are you trolling or just exceptionally stupid? Japan does not have the military capability to resist a chinese invasion, and the PRC would genocide the Japanese and destroy all evidence of their culture with even more ferocity than their ongoing genocides of the Tibetans and the Uyghurs.

>>49714342
Come to think of portals, what if one of the portals didn't led to some flat land, but led to more difficult terrain? Such as a fantasy ocean full of sea monsters, or a portal deep underground that leds to fantasy hell?

>>49719623
>Considering our post-08 training has basically switched from training war fighters to helping our recruits adopt a trans identity.

>>49710904
>GATE is bad because it's boring trash.

I thought It was worth the first watch through but the replay value is pretty much not there. The pro-gov, pro-SDF message is to be expected and I can't recall atm any anime that openly criticized the domestic forces or directly called them incompetent but then again I don't exactly have encyclopedic knowledge like people on here.

>>49711165
>Missed opportunities everywhere

Hardly. The anime blows its battle budget in the first 4 episodes and its clear that its boring as fuck being so overwhelmingly powerful - hell the Harem switch is basically admission of this. The only real interesting way to develop Gate is drop the entire show and make an Anime about Spell sword armies who have like-for-like abilities to deal with modern tech and go about invading the UK or some shit like that.

I'd watch the shit out of TV shows where things like Arcane shielded Rhinos and Super-Sonic Eagles where battling modern military.

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>>49726399
>>Elemental Plane of Horse

>>49726859
More interesting battles until the alpha base is established I guess.

General shifty writing aside, it would have been more interesting if Thea gate opened somewhere/when a bit more balanced or where we didn't immediately have someone to root for:

>Age of sail in the middle of the sea. Descendant of Columbus thinks he's found a shortcut to Inia
>Ypres, December 24th, 1914. The three-way Christmas battle
>'nam, it's only getting crazier
>present day North Korea
>Fall of the Berlin Wall: God dammit, now that we've torn it down it would actually be useful

>>49727153
*shitty writing

I fucking hate autocorrect.

>>49727040
>boring as fuck being so overwhelmingly powerful

Its not boring because the magical world is not on par on the technological one.

Its boring because its a very simple adventure made by a lazy author that barely dares to copypaste mythology into, whay seems by now, his own personal fantasy of how his life in the JSDF should have been.

If we got people asking about what are they really trying to accomplish in fantasyland, superpowers meddling with Japan for being so greedy, backstab for resources and power in the magical world within the corporations that would start extracting resources... then it wouln't be so boring.

Modern military being too powerfull is not problematic in any way here, its just that it hasn't been applied properly.

>>49725145
Why couldn't colonizing a Fantasy Realm play out more like Asia which had weak but fairly united civilizations like Japan and China which avoided outright colonization, or in the case of India submitted to it but maintained local identity? Or why not the Americas, where various powers had various methods of dealing with the natives, who were eventually pushed out or destroyed piecemeal?

Also, in the defense of Africa, the infrastructure that had been set up was designed for getting resources out only, not really as a country would set up their own infrastructure. Considering that most countries collapsed after independence due to Cold War pressures or military coups, no one had time to actually fix the infrastructure so there could be a solid base to build off of.

>>49727153
>More interesting battles until the alpha base is established I guess.
Not to mention some countries getting screwed over depending on just how many Gates there are.

If there is very little, then you really don't want to be the guy getting the "Fantasy Australia" portal. Because then you have to deal with crazy ass wildlife and political nonsense.

>>49707894
GATE is far too bad to be anything but funny. I mean it's so grossly horrendous that it makes Monster Musune look like a classic. t's the epitome of limp-wristed impotent uneducated basement dwelling nationalist otaku harem wish fulfillment. It has no saving graces whatsoever.

>>49714342
You're starting from the wrong end of the problem. It's not a matter of "how can we do what GATE did, but better?", because GATE is already everything that its creator wanted in the first place. The problem is "what kind of story do you want to tell?"

This is because the nature of the fantasy world, and the mechanics of the portals, are completely up to you, as a writer. You could make the fantasy world be anything, and work any damned way you want. But you can't just have the world be a bunch of random noise. It needs to be set, and coherent, and the only way to get there - the only way to start trimming down the possibilities - is to decide what you want to do with the world you plan to create.

Do you want to write a story that's critical of colonialism? Then fill the fantasy world with pushover natives sitting on huge reserves of valuable resources, and have the modern people sweep in and subjugate the natives, taking great care to highlight what utter bastards the invaders are. Do you want to write an anti-colonialism revenge-fantasy? Do the same as above, but give the natives the power to eventually rout and repel the invaders. Do you want to write a story about vastly different foreign cultures interacting? Make the people of the fantasy world and modern world meet peacefully at first, and leave war as a problem for later.

And always remember - you're writing a story. Stories need to END. You can't just invent a premise and then bumble around with it, going nowhere. Shit needs to happen. The situation needs to change. The characters need to chase their goals. There needs to be a central conflict, and it needs to be decisively resolved, one way or the other. "What if a portal to a fantasy world opened in the middle of modern Tokyo?" is not a central conflict. A central conflict would be: "a modern Tokyo woman loses her husband to kidnappers from a fantasy world, so she ventures through their portal to save him."

>>49727389
Cont.

>A central conflict would be: "a modern Tokyo woman loses her husband to kidnappers from a fantasy world, so she ventures through their portal to save him."

Meanwhile, all the crap about Japan forming a military perimeter and fighting the natives would all just be a backdrop to this one woman's quest to save her husband. Sometimes the JSDF's efforts would hinder her, sometimes they'd help her. Sometimes they'd be off in the distance not affecting her at all, and sometimes they'd be completely off-screen.

But all that stuff would remain where it rightly belongs: in the background. It would be the context in which our heroine's story plays out, not the story itself, which is exactly as it should be. If you actually want it to be the story, then you need to make a protagonist who has goals that directly relate to the nature of the portals, the world beyond, and Japan's response to it. Perhaps a politician looking to get elected, or a journalist looking for a big story, that leads to them getting involved in the JSDF's shenanigans.

>>49727656

A JSDF deep recon team composed of a mixture of indigenous peoples and actual operatives that are looking to map the towns, populations, mines points of interest so they start paving the way for future Japanese settlements,

That could be a good base, you still have modern military around but since they're being supported you can bring as many toys, coming and going, as you need for your story but the recon team would still be isolated receiving rumours and news here and there as you also see fit so you can develop your characters, and since they're isolated they can run into dangerous situations, where they lack resources of firepower but are still forced to survive and fight, more easily.

The final story can be very flexible but mostly around what they find in the fantastical world that might promote deep changes in either the characters or the societies they come from; like an artifact that generates energy out of nowhere, a magician that manages to fuse magic and technology sucessfully making him too powerfull...

There might be other ending plots like; japanese corporations forcing the local populations into wage slavery using the knowledge the recon team gave or simply receiving orders to execute a coordinated operation against military assets in the region because Japan has decided to take the colonialism 2.0 route... but I think it should revolve mostly about their main mission and that is to explore and discover interesting things in the region they have been asigned to.

>>49720722
One "badass leader" who keeps saying he doesn't want to be there sounds like a stupid asshole who wreaks havoc on his subordinates' morale.

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>>49728106
The fact that he's an Otaku is such a minor detail to his character that you can tell the author made him an Otaku just appease self-inserting...Uh. Otakus.

Which is fucking strange because shit like Soldier of Fortune and Sgt. Fury and his Howling commandos has a fanbase in Japan. So you'd think he would try to write for them instead of the Weeb crowed.

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I will admit that I have found myself enjoying the current batch of chapters of GATE. But I can feel confortable saying that because it basically turned into "Those who hunt Elves" without the magic tank. The main group driving around in a Humvee having fun interactions with other races is more interesting than the original plot threads.

>>49725145
In all honesty at this point it's very likely we'd be the ones picking up some god awful fantasy diseases from them. They can pray their magic AIDS away but that shit works on fucking pixie dust and modern medicine has 0 ways to counter a virus that doesn't play by the rules of this reality. It would be a pandemic the second someone retard broke protocol and let fantAIDs into the world.

Fuck now that would be a more interesting setting. The fantasy world colonizing our modern one in the wake of horrific fantasy diseases because "We have a moral obligation to spread Illmater's Word to the infidels and cure them of their illnesses" while cults of Orcus pop up left and right in the modern world trying to stave off horrible death by exploding knees or some shit.

>>49717895
Back on RPG.net before it got culturally appropriated by feminists, there was a homebrewed setting called "The Long Stairs"

It was set in the Real World, except: setting off a nuke opens a doorway sized portal at the epicenter into a place called 'the Basement" or "The Downstairs". in the 70's they started calling it "Gygaxland". The brass calls it the "subterranean operations theatre". These days, most people just call it "The Dungeon".

The Dungeon acted as a parallel reality to our own. It was full of Xenofauna (monsters), and artifacts (like a amulet which grants it's wearer immunity to projectiles... every president since Kennedy has worn it, except Reagan, who took it off because of religious pressure... and put it on shortly later.

it also started changing the operatives sent in there, making hybrid characters where they were tainted by xenofauna, flora, or artfacts.

Buy international politics were a major factor, America and Russia were the two biggest Dungeon explorers, with everyone covertly oppositional in the game setting: the UK's entrance dumped them near a "forge" where they made impossibly tough armor, the Japanese had insane sentai xeno-hybrid mecha that moved like greased lightning. Brazil made some kind of pact with the "drow", a native species to the dungeon, high on numbers and low on ethics.

The whole thread was crazy.

>>49726515
"but commander, how we exterminatus through tiny hole in space?"

"dont worry, look the mechanicus are here yo help"

"beep boop our hole naow"

"bang bang"

"beep boop time to do fuck all and masturbate on a calculater."

>>49717129
>best trained
Canadians have the best trained basic personnel. Its basically the only thing they have going for them. America does have without a doubt the best toys though, and them marines are scary.

>>49722804
I dont think you understand just how much smaller. Also they wouldn't be that much more robust than the average modern heavy construction worker or farmer, and definitely not as physically fit as a trained soldier, especial with the poor nutrition and medical care. A modern soldier has to be able to march 14 kilometers carrying their own body weight in equipment and meet rigorous physical standards just to pass basic training. A life of hard manual labor is about equivalent to daily routine of full body calisthenics and light weight training, this know from experience.

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I like gate in the same way I like MST3K. Its so cheesy and bad its funny.
Pic very related.

GATE started out strong but after the castle siege and i guess when they went to japan it went down hill.

I remember /k/ was fantasizing what GATE would be like if the gate had opened in Berlin during the cold war.

GATE is fun when its its modern military shit blowing up fantasy shit while lolis orgasm. When it shys away from that it's just meh.

>>49719627
>Hey guys America may not be as good as normies believe it to be.
>Must be Vatnik America is invincible this must be Vatnik Lies.

First step to fixing a problem is admitting you have a problem.

>>49712656
>implying weeb neckbeards would buy that instead of waifu figurines

animation is expensive

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>>49711229
>During WW1, the germans were fucking terrified of fighting the Canadians

Canuckfag here. No they weren't. They also didn't call Marine's Devil Dogs and didn't call the 369th Infantry Regiment "Harlem Hellfighter"

Who the fuck were these Krauts handing out nick names and reputations to every cock sucker they met? It's okay to be chuuni as fuck, just don't pretend that it's the enemy giving you all these neat little nick names and elite unit descriptions. It's just propaganda.

>>49731235
>not having it appear on the east/west german border
if it's in Berlin the commies would have easier access.

>>49731997
No, they kind of were, but not for those reasons. Canadians and Germans had a bit of a war crime contest thing going on, killing POWs, hitting field hospitals, etc.

https://web.viu.ca/davies/h482.wwi/timcook.cdns.killingprisoners.pdf

>"After losing half of my company there, we rushed them and they had the nerve to throw up their hands and cry, 'Kamerad.' All the 'Kamerad' they got was a foot of cold steel thro' them from my remaining men while I blew their brains out with my revolver without any hesitation."

Good times.

>>49721790
>The only way to stop a bad guy with a longbow is a good guy with a longbow.

>>49726515
Aren't they fighting historical humans? Wouldn't their job to be to incorporate them into the Imperium?

>>49720441
Except that hasn't happened in this thread?

So apparently it's not every fucking time.

In fact I've never seen that happen (but GATE threads don't end up on /tg/ very often).

>>49721790
RADAR can't detect bullets either

Wtf am I reading

>>49733694
b8 +1

>>49731392
>implying there's a problem

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>>49721790

>GATE thread
>actually some civil discussion
I don't understand
Is this real

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>>49734105
Brilliant.

>>49727389
>"What if a portal to a fantasy world opened in the middle of modern Tokyo?" is not a central conflict.
That is literally a central conflict

>>49734546
But they don't focus on Tokyo's reactions all that much. The initial attack barely even did any damage - it was just enough to justify going in gung-ho.

>>49707894
>Let's be honest, I fucking love GATE.
And your opinions are discarded

Even leaving Jingoism aside GATE was a very poor example of what it was supposed to be

>>49734856
What's wrong with it? It has nice action and a loli demigod. What else do you need?

>>49734868
For the Americans to win. It's silly when somebody else does!

>>49734868
Modern nations should get their advantage from modern weaponry, not plot-armor magic. When a 90-pound waif beats up the evil warlord with her fists you're pissing me off.

>>49734868
people shooting armored legionaries instead of killing them with bayonets

>>49734546
No it isn't.

Conflicts need characters, goals, and obstacles. The bit you quoted has none of that - no specific, named characters, no stated goals for those characters to pursue, and no clear obstacles in the way of those goals.

You cannot just throw out a random worldbuilding idea and call it a plot. You need to ground that worldbuilding in a character's perspective. It has to provide context to a character's struggles, otherwise you're just gonna end up with a massive infodump that bores your audience to tears.

My go-to example for this kind of thing will always be Larry Niven's Ringworld. Most sci-fi nerds are familiar with the idea of the Ringworld - a giant ring habitat encircling a star - and are aware that the Ringworld novels tend to focus heavily on detailing how such a structure would work, both from an engineering standpoint, and from a personal perspective of someone living on the inside of the ring.

What most people don't realise, is that Ringworld isn't just a giant extended infodump. It's an adventure story, an odyssey, centred around a crew of misfits who go on an expedition to the Ringworld and accidentally crash land on the structure, and their struggles to escape the Ringworld and get home again. That's the central fucking conflict.

The same should be true of any attempt to "improve" on GATE. The "what-if?" is not your plot. Your plot is your characters, and how they interact with the "what-if?"

>>49735395
I don't think the evil warlord was actually that good at combat, or at least it wasn't shown whether he was. But he was clearly intimidated by their weapons by that point, and didn't have the will to resist.

>>49735410
That part was a bit silly, yes. But if that's your only complaint it's very minor.

>>49734868
It felt too much like a series of curbstomps to me. I approve of nationalist propaganda when there is actually an element of struggle to it.

>>49735487
Just lay back and enjoy the ride. Not everything has to be super serious.

Man, who would have guessed that a Japanese show made by Japanese writers and Japanese producers drawn by Japanese animators and starring Japanese actors made in Japan for Japanese audiences would make the Japanese soldiers the heroes of the story and better than everyone else?

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>>49735514
>it's okay when japan does it

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>>49735533
>It's only ok when the US does it

>>49735544
Point me to the post where I implied that.

>>49735549
As soon as you point me to the post where I implied >>49735533

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>>49735487
There can be a clear superiority, but don't present it as a struggle.
Have the modern world as this distant but ever-present force that shapes the story.

>>49735562
Alright, here >>49735514

>>49735568
Oh I see. You have reading comprehension issues.
That's fine, I'll break it down for you.

The post you're referencing doesn't contain any implication that it is ok when Japan does "it," it does, however, contain an implication that one shouldn't be surprised that the media of a given country would show favoritism for itself, and thus complaining that the media of a given country shows favoritism for it's own country rather than another country is silly.

I guess your parents were right, perhaps you should have finished school after all, huh?

>>49735594
It's not like there was anyone in this thread wondeering about how it could possible be that GATE favoured the japanese military.
The post is a direct response to people proclaiming the nationalism is what makes it bad, sarcastically mocking the sentiment.

Now you're trying to reinvent the whole thing just to call someone else stupid. That's silly.

>>49735594
Oh what? Your whole post was about pointing at the obvious everybody knows about and then acting smug? Unfortunately you don't learn in school how to be not an asshat.

>Sorceress uses magic to look into other worlds
>Finds ours, studies it, learns there's no native magic here
>Opens a portal to our world, in the middle of Tokyo
>Casts a mind-control spell on everyone in sight
>Commands them to call local news outlets, inform them of her arrival, that she means no harm
>TV cameras show up
>Sorceress casts mind-control through the live feed, enthralling all viewers
>Commands her new thralls to show the feed to as many people as they can
>A number of her thralls upload the recorded feed to Youtube
>Everyone who watches the video is enthralled too
>Three days later, she has a good portion of the developed world under her spell
>Including most major world leaders

But please, continue telling me how the modern world would curbstomp a fantasy world, every time, without fail.

>>49735643
>Portal opens in the middle of Tokyo
>Giant flying worm that breathes pestilent rot comes through
>It's rot permeates everything - steel, concrete, glass, plastic, flesh
>Even penetrates hermetically-sealed containers
>No amount of NBC gear will save you
>Fire can destroy the rot
>Tokyo is nuked
>But by this point the rot has seeped into the ground, and is spreading everywhere
>No amount of nukes can cleanse the deeper infection
>This was never a problem in the fantasy world, because their soil and rock was full of magical energy/spiritual essence/chi
>Earth becomes a toxic bed of rot, human race goes extinct

I could do this all day. The possibility space of fantasy worlds that would completely fuck over our own is far, far greater than that of worlds that we'd actually stand a fighting chance against.

>>49735692
>Portal to Muspelheim opens in the middle of Tokyo
>Hordes of fire giants swarm through
>Bullets and explosives only tickle them, nukes are completely useless
>Japan is incinerated by unstoppable giants
>Giants wade across the sea, continue rampaging east across Asia
>And north up to the Bering Strait, then west into North America
>Entire earth is consumed by giant-fire, billions die
>Only survivors are people living on islands, far away from any of the continental mainland
>They suffer too, as all the ash in the atmosphere chokes out the sun, and causes a new ice age

It's almost as if the writer of GATE intentionally contrived his fantasy world so that the JSDF could easily kick the natives' shit in.

>>49735716
>It's almost as if the writer of a story has to intentionally contrive his fantasy world so that there could actually be a story.
Holy shit kill yourself.

>>49715320
>Gate opens in Pyongyang

>>49735716
On the other hand, all your counterexamples are contrived so that the fantasy world easily curbstomps the modern one everytime. At this point it's like playing children trying to one-up each other.

there's a book called Grunts! by Mary Gentle with a similar concept

basically, a bunch of orcs under the control of the big evil are ordered to go seize a dragon's hoard which turns out to be full of nothing but vietnam-era military equipment that has a spell on it that makes you act and perform like a vietnam-era marine

it's a pretty fun read