MTG Legacy General

>>49707845
Common Legacy - Decks You Should Prepare to Face
>Miracles
>Delver variants (Grixis, Izzet, BUG, RUG)
>ANT (Ad Nauseam Tendrils)
>Death and Taxes
>Eldrazi Stompy
>Shardless BUG
>Lands

Uncommon Legacy - Decks You Should Know About
>LED Dredge
>Reanimator
>Infect
>Stoneblade
>Burn
>TES (The Epic Storm)
>Elves
>Painter
>Maverick
>4-Color Loam
>Nic Fit
>Sneak n Show

Rare Legacy - Decks You May See On Occasion
>Enchantress
>MUD
>Goblins
>Merfolk
>High Tide
>Aluren
>Food Chain
>12 Post
>Belcher
>Pox Control
>Dragon Stompy
>Tezzerator
>Sneak n Breach
>Stax (White or Black)
>Deadguy Ale

Mythic Legacy - Decks You'll See Once a Year
>Doomsday Fetchland Tendrils (DDFT)
>Cheerios
>Nourshing Lich
>Sea Stompy
>Spanish Inquisition
>Monoblue Omnitell
>Parfait
>The Cure (Kavu Predator + False Cure)

>tfw lost a match because I didn't realize I could have casted a 0 damage price of progress just to pump swiftspear

I seriously need to work on my awareness, jesus christ. This isn't the first time something like this happens. I've lost countless games because I failed to notice some detail that could have turned the match, only to realize my mistake afterwards and facepalm myself like a baboon.

>>49708255
I thought that was what people like about the deck so much - the need to squeeze out maximum efficiency at every opportunity. don't feel too bad, though. for me at least, it's kind of exciting knowing how much room for improvement I have.

>>49708255

>I seriously need to work on my awareness, jesus christ.

I think we're all in that boat. Hardest thing in Storm is figuring out when is the best time to go for it with Past in Flames but no Tutor or Tendrils. So easy to shoot oneself in the foot, especially after a few rounds.

>>49708255
Wait a bad player picking to play Burn, who would have guessed?

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>>49708654
>This guy again
Nigga don't you have some other thread to troll?

>>49707852
What tier do you put 4 horsemen at?

>>49708896
Dairy Queen Tier

>>49708896
>Decks judges would hate for you know about

>>49708489
Thanks lad. In my defence I was playing Cockatrice early in the morning. I tend to make less mistakes when playing on paper.
I detest playing online but it's where I end up playing most of the time.

>>49708896
4 Horseman is considered Slow Play and has been pseudobanned from tournaments. That being said, definitely Mythic Legacy.

>>49709076
I always see people saying there's a new version with sidisi undead vizier, but I've been too lazy to figure how it gets around the slow play argument.

>>49709502
It advances the board

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All righty, I have a mono-white deck, and I'm trying to think of how I can deal with Sneak and Show/Reanimator's ability to bring in Iona, Shield of Emeria from just completely fucking over my day. I can use Rest in Peace to prevent the whole Entomb/Reanimate thing, but if they use their backup of Show and Tell or Sneak Attack to bring in "Iona, Shield of Emeria" and name white I'll need an out. Is there any artifact removal better than Sandstone Deadfall? Because I'd really rather not use Sandstone Deadfall if I didn't have to.

>>49709682
Karakas. Aether Vial. Mangara of Corondor.

>>49709682
karakas is low opportunity cost bc it taps for white and bounces all their junk. only thing it can't help against is sneak attack + emrakul + double activation.

>>49708255
I know what you mean. I'm the same way. Playing with so many types of cantrips and counters and stacking thru Lim duls and figuring out when to S&T is also tricky for me. I don't play blue much.

>>49709682
Have you considered Containment Priest?

>>49708255
>Work on my awareness
my favorite part is when my opponent taps 3 mana to cast a brainstorm through trini, frowns and sighs, casts it then I point to the chalice on one.

>>49710383
Joke's on you, I play 12 Post!

>>49709682
phyrexian metamorph or brittle efigy, or even painter lol

>>49710655
we've discussed before how painter doesn't help here

>>49710742
Painter + Lotus Petal + Gilded Drake does though

Hey guys, so I have 4 LEDs and a few one-ofs of Griselbrand and Iona from Dredge. Should I pull the trigger and invest in Burning Reanimator? I'm not sure how good the deck is as a whole, but it's intrigued me since I saw the deck tech and the price as a whole without LEDs is relatively cheaper than a lot of other decks

>>49711176
you don't need painter for that though

>>49711267
You do if you want to lock them out of the game!

>>49711243
it's fun as fuck. it's not very consistent, but whatever. if it's not very expensive for you, I'd definitely recommend it.

>>49711368
she would have already been on the battlefield and named a color. unless you mean to put in the gilded drake off the show and tell, in which case you don't need lotus petal.

>>49711466
I guess you could name the same color they named with Iona. you'd be locking yourself out of the game also, but you have a 7/7 beater. disregard me.

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I dont know where else to post this question as I'm kinda new.

Would this be an eligible target for a "search for goblin in your library and put it into play" type card?

I ask as it says Lord, not goblin.

>>49711615
it got errata'd to goblin, so yes. the website "gatherer" has oracle text, which is the most up to date and least ambiguous.

>>49711517
Iona is opponents only

>>49711697
Terrific, thanks!

>>49711716
Props on playing David Bowie

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>>49711703
yeah, I was having a bit of a rough time.

>>49709764
>>49709774
>>49709974
>>49710655

Thank you guys! I was having difficulty coming up with solutions. I forgot about Karkas, but until I have $100 in store credit to plop down for that I'll look into some of these other options.

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>>49712395
I understand man. Pic related, me on Vintage Night

Bump

What is the most expensive card you own?

>>49707852
>Lands
Hard to believe.

>>49715097
Scalding Tarn. My LEDs are fake ;_;

>>49715097
trops for sure
my scalding tarns are fake

>>49715097
For me it's probably my underground seas.

What's up with Miracles players and being salty as fuck?
Is it a trait that comes with the deck, or it just so happens that every ragequitter plays Miracles?

>>49715642
It may have to do with scrubs picking up the deck because they are told it is the best and unbeatable, and then they lose and get asspained.

#notallmiraclesplayers

>>49715097
LEDs I don't have a deck for them yet but I'm gonna make Dredge soon. Too poor for TES.

>>49715691
You could build old style yes with rainbow lands

>>49715642
>>49715690
It's either
1. Same old control players hating burn
2. New players who were told the deck is unbeatable

#notallmiraclesplayers

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Post the card that you think best describes the ongoing presidential debate.

Pic related is mine.

>>49716106
I can't quite think of a card that represents the utter beatdown that has been occurring.

>>49715642
I see one of two people playing Miracles
>Johnnys who want to win and actually enjoy spinning tops
>Spikes playing "the best deck in the format".
Spike aways whines when he loses, no matter what deck.

>>49716164
Do you see it more as Triumph of Cruelty or Triumph of Ferocity?

>>49716324
Triumph of Ferocity

>>49716331
more like Trump of Ferocity

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>>49716106

>>49716331
I've got no love for either of them but I can't help but feel that Trump came off childlike and whiny while Shillary was able to restrain herself somewhat. Unfortunately neither of them really said aby thing politically relevant, but this campaign season is about image anyway.>>49716331

>>49716362
Kek

Listening to The Four Horsemen now.

>most expensive card

I used to have a Candelabra. Nowadays, probably my Undergrounds.

>>49715642

I have a feeling it's the specific people you're dealing with. That said, nobody plays Miracles where I am right now, so I can't really say. Played a guy at Worcester who seemed pretty chill. Definitely a Spike deck, though, so >>49716185 may well be right, at least as regards the majority.

So, I'm poor as fuck but I love Magic. What's your stance on proxying? Printing some not complete garbage cards from MTGPress and just playing?

Sure, I am not expecting to join sanctioned tournaments, but would you personally refuse to play against someone proxying a deck?

And, for a more directly related to Legacy question, how's Aluren (White version) for a player that knows TCG theory and a bit of Magic metagaming but has little to no experience actually playing? It looks like a nice value deck that happens to have a combo attached if needed and that looks quite good. I usually play Tempo decks in other TCGs but I kinda don't want to run Delver decks that much.

>>49716684
Stances on proxies highly vary from person to person. I for one don't give a shit, I have a friend who draws on a small piece of paper and puts it over a Plains and then that's that.

>>49716684
Nigger, I play Vintage, if I was triggered by proxies my deck would be a paperweight as expensive as a boat.
Literally, I had sold this shit off for my boat and fishing license and ended up buying it back with tuna money.

>>49716684
I'm happy to just be able to play Magic. I really don't care about proxies.

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>>49716106

>>49716684
I'd rather have more people join the format. If proxies achieve that, that's fine. I prefer to hAve real cards but if I noticed you had fake LEDs in round 9 of a gp I wouldn't tell anyone.

>>49716762
Refusal to play is match loss. Use of proxies is match loss. If people refuse to play a match of Vintage with you, and cannot do so without use of proxies, they LOSE.

>>49716684

My LGS allows a few playtest proxies (e.g., piece-of-paper-over-basic-land or Sharpie-on-junk-common) in the 75 for UNsanctioned Legacy tournaments. It's allowed me to get credit to start picking up the actual cards, so I'm where I am to some extent because of the store's attitude: if you've got most of the cards but are working toward the deck's completion, you can run it with playtest cards. I finished putting together my fourth Legacy deck around March/April.

We also can't get a very big crowd most times we have Legacy tournaments, so I've lent out some of my decks with the crossover cards from Storm proxied. I own the cards; I just don't have 12 Lion's Eye Diamonds, or whatever.

All this is in the environment of a pretty relaxed, small local Legacy group and a local game store that's interested in promoting the format more than it's interested in setting up a sanctioned Legacy scene. (The store runs sanctioned tournaments for Modern, Standard, etc. that require all players to have their decks fully assembled without proxies.) If the Legacy tournaments were sanctioned, that'd be a totally different story—DON'T try to pass off fakes at a sanctioned tournament, and be sure to ask the people who put the tournaments together (or the people you're battling outside of tournaments) before you play with proxies/playtest cards.

So in short, I don't care, and I've benefited from them before, but you should act in the interest of full disclosure and NOT use forgeries.

Alrighty kiddos, I've got lands finished and am going to my first legacy tourny next week. What things do i need to be aware of? Matchups and whatnot

>>49717070
You should be golden against miracles, watch out for Blood moon and back to basics from the board mainly. Don't know much about lands either than that

>>49717070

Not sure I can give you a comprehensive set of stuff, but from what I've read/seen, your boogeymen are Painter, Storm, and All Spells.

You've got good odds against Eldrazi, Reanimator, and Dredge.

Just speaking of the Storm matchup, a couple of things to keep in mind:
—Storm can combo past a Crop Rotation for Bog. Tutor for Tutor for Tutor for Tendrils is a thing.
—Sphere of Resistance, Chalice, and Thorn are excellent against Storm, but you need to start putting pressure on quickly or it/they won't be enough. Especially if the Stormer runs Hurkyl's Recall.
—Chain of Vapor is busted against Marit Lage.

General things I've picked up:
—Don't ever, ever, ever name Lion's Eye Diamond or Lotus Petal with a Pithing Needle.
—Watch out for Surgical Extraction or Leyline of the Void.
—Price of Progress and Back to Basics are really dangerous.

Hope that stuff helps! Good luck!

>>49716895
I actually did this, a guy had the balls to play Esperblade with corner-trimmed Championship Edition duals. Don't know if it was good or bad that he didn't make day two, good because the chance of getting called out increase and he could play 9 rounds of competitive Legacy he couldn't have without playing "proxies", bad because I really wanted to see him take it all, fuck pay to play.

>>49717008
Fuck off Trick Jarett.

>>49717070
Pay attention to Burn, this match comes down to tapping your lands wrong once. And remember EotGR is an enchantment.

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>>49715097

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>>49717602
My favorite card is definitely this baby.

>>49715097
Living Plane or Horizon Canopy. Most of my legacy deck is fake.

>>49715642
A lot of it has to do with Miracles players assuming that they have a good Burn matchup, when in reality they don't. A lot of peoples burn experience is playing against a Legacy players friend with the deck. It's a much more potent weapon when wielded properly.

>>49715097
P3K Imperial Recruiters probably. Working on getting my Power back.

>>49717070
Know how priority works. This is crucial for getting maximum value out of Rishadan Port.

Knowing when to Gamble for K Grip or other hate cards is a big deal. Not getting paired against Storm is something most people don't master.

>>49717147
>>49717162
>>49717433
>>49718005
There is no storm in my meta, so i have mastered not getting paired against it. I know how priority works very well. From what ive seen and heard my meta is perfect to play lands in and im the only one. I think I'll do pretty well. Thanks a bunch!

>>49718005
It took me a while to learn that i can port someone's land AFTER they pay for tabernacle at the end of their upkeep.

>>49718272
Playing chicken with Top for fun and profit is definitely a skill. You can definitely get some profit off not porting when they think you're going to. It's also a good way to find out if they're floating Terminus on top, at least sometimes.

What language does everyone get their decks in?

>>49719466
Currently in English but I'd like to get them mostly in Italian or russian

>>49717147
But what about Jace unsummons?
What about Swords to Plowshares?
What about Snapcaster bringing those StP back?
What about Terminus?
What about Council's Judgment?
What about Engineered Explosives?

>>49717415
If I have to play by Competitive REL in casual games at the LGS, so should my opponents.

>>49717012
This playtest proxies policy of your store is very nice. It would be beneficial if they all did this to be honest.

>>49719466
Mine is currently about half english, half spanish. I just get the cheapest versions of cards I can find, and romance languages are often cheapest.

>>49716784
the secret service has noted your opinion, it will be added to the file

>>49720000
>But what about Jace unsummons?
they generally activate at end of turn, so this won't help
What about Swords to Plowshares?
it's very easy for them to reassemble the combo, especially when you're giving them 20 life
What about Snapcaster bringing those StP back?
see above
What about Terminus?
see above
What about Council's Judgment?
see above
What about Engineered Explosives?
does literal nothing. Marit lage is indestructible.

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>>49720791
C-C'mon guys, it was just a meme.

>>49721482
now you're posting racist propaganda? good lord anon, come to your senses.

>>49721482
>>49721722

well, he is a nazi

>>49721762
>>49721722
>>49721482
>>49720791

Well that escalated quickly...

>>49721482
>6 off a 1488

We must secure an existence for our archetype and a future for graveyards everywhere

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>>49721762
>>49722170
>>49721722
Dredge is awakening.

We must secure the existence of graveyard decks and a future for Dread Return.

>>49719466
English is GOAT
Japanese is great tier, rest is shit
t. Norwegian

>>49719466
German, only missing 3 duals and 4 delta for it to be fully German.

GAS ALL CREATURES BOARD WIPE NOW

>>49723294
Nice man! I almost picked up a German Delta for $20. I thought it was too expensive. Just by building DnT it's half in Japanese, but I want it in German. I need to find a Weeaboo Kraut.

>>49723777
Terminus work?

>visit the standard thread, it's all shitposting and complaining about Spirits and flash mechanics
>visit the modern thread, people are arguing about Nacatl and Gitaxian Probe in Burn
I'm never leaving you guys again.

>>49724038
I used to go to the modern thread too. But no one talks about ad nauseam and it's full of tards so I left.

>>49723777
Nice digits

>>49724038
>>49724057
I went there to improve a Mardi Superfriends shitbrew, they were very helpful. We worked it out to the point where I have a ~40% winrate with it on XMage. The next day I posted it for more critique and everyone said it was shit.

>>49724057
I'm happy to talk about modern ad nauseam in this thread if you want actual discussion.

I recently switched from a spoils build to a peer through depths/mystical teachings build and I like it a lot more.

>>49724038
Modern, the format with so many cards and so little to do with them

>>49708255
I've got this deck from years ago, haven't played in a long time, as my friends stopped playing and I'm too busy anyway. Should I add in some nonbasic lands and Grim Lavamancer? I've resisted this in the past. Should I just convert it to Modern perhaps? Maybe I should just sell it to someone who will use it...

17 Mountain
2 [ODY] Barbarian Ring

4 [ZEN] Goblin Guide
3 [PLC] Keldon Marauders
2 [CON] Hellspark Elemental

4 [M10] Lightning Bolt
4 [LEG] Chain Lightning
4 [CHK] Lava Spike
4 [TSP] Rift Bolt
4 [CON] Volcanic Fallout
3 [5DN] Magma Jet
3 [EXO] Price of Progress
2 [SCG] Sulfuric Vortex
4 [VIS] Fireblast

>>49710383
That's one of my favorite feels.

>>49715097
P9 or Underground Seas

>>49724244
Grim Lavamancer if you want to grab red fetches, then Eidolon of the Great Revel and Monastery Swiftspear. Modern burn costs a ton.

>>49724140
Well I don't want to clog up the thread with modern talk but I tried the spoils list and felt like dying to my own cards 10% of the time i cast them was way too high so I went to a peer list and never looked back. I don't play teachings though. I main a painful truths as a hedge against the jund in my local meta. It''s been great. Been going 3-1 or better at local weeklies for months almost without fail.

>>49724244
Play Legacy Burn and stick with it. The deck is super good.

>>49724244

Prison Guy's right. Eidolon and Swiftspear are must-haves, and the other thing fetches do is they keep you from topdecking lands as much in the late game.

>>49724522
>>49724491
>>49724392
ok, thanks!

>>49724038

For a rotating format, it's surprising how little Standard changes.

As for Modern—yeah...

>>49724542
If you go the Fetchland route try adding a Sensei's Divining Top or two. They do wonders in that deck.

>>49724608
Boy, I can't wait till this 4 mana green spell rotates out - Standard, for years now

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>>49723872
As soon as I've done enough work as a substitute teacher I'll get my deltas, need that carrot to work ~~
Once my ad Nauseam and ponders return from signing the deck will be glorious

>>49724894
What basics/rits are you running? German 3rd FBB?

>>49724919
Foil Tempest rits obviously.

>>49724038
They usually just fling shit but whenever I go there and specifically asked for help they usually stop and become super helpful, wouldn't have decided on my updated Skred list without them

>>49724099
Hey, I remember helping with that deck.

>>49725369
The modern general is mostly shitposters and jaded spikes, but there's a handful of helpful people.

>>49725587
I appreciate the help, the deck turned out really fun. It runs like a control deck without blue, and the sideboard Chalice tech is really neat.

What do you guys think about Chains of Mephistopheles? Is it worth having in the board vs Brainstorm/Ponder decks?

>>49725587
Well my first experience with the general was me asking for help and everyone was awesome, had like 6-8 people helping me. Decided I'd go back becuase it was a good time and I ended up being thoroughly disappointed. They flung shit, a lot of meme worthy insults, arguments that went now where and a general off setting place.

>>49724919
I use swamp #219, I haven't found any art I actually like though. I'll look through the basic land art gallery again later this week.
For rits I've currently got 3 German foil Mercadian Masques, it's taken over a year for those three copies to pop up on mcm... I'll get the last one when it's available.
>>49725019
I wish there were, the art is dope

>>49707852
Is aluren that rare anymore?

>>49726344
it's definitely becoming more common and may make its way into the "Uncommon" tier before long, but for now I think it stays in rare.

>49724919

I'm just running English Rits exept one German Revised one (Schwarzer Ritus). Probs my favorite card in the deck, because "Unterbrechungszauber" is such an awesome word. I've always been partial to the Fifth Edition Dark Rit. Used to have one and I have no idea where it went. Running a split between Torment Cabal Rituals and FTV ones.

I just go with lands I like for artistic reasons or that take me back. Urza's Saga Islands are pretty rad, and I've got a full-art Swamp.

>>49725719

Depends on a number of things. It's a huge target for discards. You need to start punishing those decks' hands early to make it work, and/or you need to Ritual it out really quickly. Also bear in mind that a lot of decks can just bounce it then play all their cantrips before you can get it back.

>>49725683

Have you got a list? I know it's not Legacy related, but I'm interested in seeing unconventional Modern decks. Keep debating breaking back into the format with something that doesn't run bad cards like Tarmogoyf.

>>49707852
I'm still offended.

>>49726665
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/27-09-16-mardu-superfriends/
I really wish I could afford it, so I could have people look through it and laugh at it being a pile of good cards with no synergy, then crush them with it.

>>49726692
Have you considered some Monarch cards? It'll provide some draw and force your opponent to chose between hitting you and letting your PWs tick up

>>49726527
Lemme tell ya, the sideboard when you're splashing white gets alot spicier

>>49726692

Looks pretty sweet! Don't think I can afford it either, but hey—some day, right?

I've got a question for any storm players out there. It's looking like hatebears are getting really pushed at the moment—maybe not enough to make our decks take a dive, but enough that I think the increased consistency of hatebear builds is going to pose a problem going forward. A solution a lot of people are using on The Source is to run countermagic like Flusterstorm and Daze, but that's always felt like a really clunky thing to use. Anybody have experience with those cards, and what's your assessment?

Thanks in advance for any info!

>>49726829
I just plan on winning t1 or 2 with PSI when I get it and I'm not playing miracles

>>49715097
Grim Tutor, in perfect condition.

>>49726857

Yeah, those are also decks in which I throw down Empty the Warrens if I can. Even if they've boarded in one or two cards to answer it, the odds are that they won't show up in time.

Feels bad to pass the turn after comboing in Storm, but sometimes it's actually safer than waiting to release the Drills.

>>49726773
Modern.

>>49726324
I don't love foils, so I ran Mirage basics and Rits. Love that set

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My girlfriend showed me this meme and I don't understand it. Can someone explain it to me so I don't look retarded

>>49727763
It's a joke about Dredge in Modern.

>>49726666
Sorry Quad Satan, I'll never add it to the list ever next time I'm OP.

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Why do the Italian tops have to have such a cluttered text box. I'd get all Italian ones but fuck the text box is stupid

>>49720016
That's why we don't play vintage with you.

>>49727826
I'm gettin' my dick sucked tonight.

>>49724244
Legacy Burn is cheaper than Modern Burn and actually wins more small events despite Modern Burn being Tier 1 and Legacy Burn being Tier 2.
Neither wins GPs consistently but if all you have around are 30-man events or under, it's an excellent deck.

I need advice on my first legacy deck. Should I go with burn or infect? I have both in modern so I know I enjoy the style of play.

>>49728730

Keep in mind that Legacy Infect and Modern Infect don't necessarily play the same way. Legacy Infect feels to me like Delver with pump spells, but in Modern the pump spells seem to take the lion's share of the Duress-able spots.

Legacy Burn will be significantly cheaper, if that's a concern. Not sure which one is better positioned generally, but I'd err on the side of Infect if you've got Eldrazi running around at your local. You'll also have better game against fast combo decks, though I can't say much with certainty about other matchups.

As a Storm player, I'm not hugely worried about facing either (depending on the pilot), but they both have some game against me.

>>49728730
Go watch a few Tom Ross videos to see if you want to play like him. I can't name any Burn players of current metagame, but Patrick Sullivan was the king in his time. Whichever one you like more and want to play like, I'd say go with that deck.

I favor Burn but I can't deny that Tom Ross does some things with his deck that makes me rock hard.

>>49728730
since you have modern infect, I'd recommend that because you'll have to buy forces and duals, and those can go into other things. burn doesn't really transition very well. although really what does legacy burn have that modern doesn't? chain lightning and fireblast? you could realistically build both decks for close to the same cost.

See here my TES deck, i think is finally tuned. but i have only won a match with it.


1 Ad Nauseam
3 Rite of Flame
4 Infernal Tutor
4 Chrome Mox
4 Cabal Therapy
2 Duress
3 Polluted Delta
3 Bloodstained Mire
4 Brainstorm
1 Past in Flames
2 Gemstone Mine
2 Ponder
1 Swamp
1 Empty the Warrens
4 Gitaxian Probe
4 Dark Ritual
2 Unmask
2 Cabal Ritual
1 Tendrils of Agony
4 Burning Wish
4 Lion's Eye Diamond
2 Underground Sea
2 Volcanic Island
//Sideboard
1 Past in Flames
2 Thoughtseize
1 Void Snare
2 Hurkyl's Recall
1 Empty the Warrens
1 Grapeshot
1 Dark Petition
4 Abrupt Decay
1 Tendrils of Agony
1 Bayou

>>49728730
Infect is significantly more decision intensive. Find a deck you like and buy it, don't buy and deck before playing it.

>>49729642
you should swap a chrome mox for the 4th rite of flame. 4 chrom mox is too many, and 3 Rite is not enough.

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>>49731210
There is one dude in my area with elves built but he always played modern and draft instead of legacy. I have only gotten to play against his elves once and it was between EDH games.

Late night bump

Got my playset of Land Tax today
Excited to see what I get tomorrow in the mail

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>>49732402
Might as well post them

Also, how do you guys sleeve your decks?
Do you double sleeve them or not? Which sleeve brand do you prefer? DSS, KMC, Ultra Pro or something else?
Personally I love the feeling of matt DSS. Super sturdy sleeves and its really nice to shuffle with.

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>>49707845
I represent Miracles (Legends Version):

4 Brainstorm
4 Counterbalance
1 Counterspell
2 Entreat the Angels
1 Flusterstorm
4 Force of Will
3 Island
3 Jace, the Mind Sculptor
4 Plains
4 Polluted Delta
3 Polluted Delta
3 Ponder
4 Sensei's Divining Top
4 Snapcaster Mage
4 Swords to Plowshares
4 Terminus
2 Tundra
1 Vendilion Clique
2 Venser, Shaper Savant
3 Volcanic Island

Sideboard:
1 Council's Judgment
2 Monastery Mentor
1 Ponder
1 Predict
4 Rest in Peace
4 Sudden Shock
2 Wear / Tear

LINK: http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/lgc-jeskai-flash-miracles/

>>49733209
I double sleeve KMC inners into matte dragon shields. I like the feel of kmc hypermatte butt they always are super fragile for me for some reason.

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>>49729642
Why only
2 Unmask?
2 Ponder?
2 Cabal Therapy?

>>49726829
Sanctum Prelate is 3 CMC. Your storm plan is win on turn1 or 2. If your deck is meant to go off on turn 4 you need Cabal Therapy, Thoughtseize, or Duress.

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>>49733209
>buying 4th ed Taxes
anon pls

But seriously, I double sleeve all my Legacy and Modern decks in KMC Hyper Mattes or Dragon Shield Mattes. I try to match up the color of the sleeves with the main color of the deck.

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>>49733339
Oh fuck me that's some awesome alters. Kindred a qt

>>49733345
You, I like.

>>49733413
Imo white borders>black borders I'm serious.
Also;
>4.38 MB, 5312x2988
Wtf anon

>>49733523
Yeah, white borders are great.

>>49728267
Yeah and it's why you fucking cheat you fucking bitch faggot, you can't handle that I have fully built decks so you have to apply Competitive REL to me while ignoring the rules yourself. Fucking weak coward faggots.

>>49717602
How much? and How long did it take to stalk all the pieces down?

>>49733582
Wow, someone get this hothead outta here

>>49733640
Got the Sapphire in a large trade. I paid 2500 for the lotus, probably about 5000 total for the rest.
I started hunting down power about a year ago, got the last piece (Emerald) after the flooding in my area a little over a month ago, the owner was selling it to pay bills.

>>49733861
Now I want the reserved list gone even more

>>49733887
My favorite card that I own isn't even on the reserved list, has a million reprints, and is still crazy fucking expensive.

>>49733918
What is it

>>49733925
The most iconic dragon in Magic.
>>49717619

>>49733952
But you can get is for cheaper if you need it, so...

>>49733963
My point is, original power would still be original power. WotC can't really go back and make duplicates of ABU cards, they can just print new versions, while the old ones remain expensive because they are scarce and have value as collectibles.

>>49734006
If they reprinted Power and Duals the AB (mostly Alpha) ones would retain their value but the prices of UR ones would plummet.

>>49734030
Even so, the list getting axed would make legacy way more accessible, which is fine with me. It's not like they would reprint power right away anyway.

>>49733339
Nice list, looks great for combo and other miracles but I have to question the 3 and then 4 polluted deltas, I'm assuming one of the 2 is supposed to be flooded strand and why not 4 of them? Also the sideboard seems quite spicy with the monastery Swiftspears. Have you tried tempo-miracles? It seems like you're almost there you just need to drop the ETA and relocate them to the board and make room for monastery mentor.

>>49734030
>If they reprinted Power and Duals the AB (mostly Alpha) ones would retain their value but the prices of UR ones would plummet.

What if the reprints were white boarder?

>>49734996
The same thing would happen, maybe a little less severely. At the end of the day UR cards just aren't collectible.

>>49735015
I mean you've clearly never yelled UNLIMITED POWER while getting facerolled by the Beta's

On a related note, does anyone have any tips for building Stax in Vintage? Im fucking around with Orrey Stax, and I'm trying out Tangle Wire. Back in the 4 Golem days of yore I hated Tangle Wire in Stax, because it was a tempo play. Now, the format seems so tempo oriented that a conditional Time Walk seems good.

>>49735152
Current list for those interested:

MANA: 28
1 Buried Ruin
2 Ghost Quarter
1 Strip Mine
1 Tolarian Academy
4 Ancient Tomb
3 Mishra's Factory
4 Mishra's Workshop
4 Wasteland
1 Black Lotus
1 Mana Crypt
1 Mox Emerald
1 Mox Jet
1 Mox Pearl
1 Mox Ruby
1 Mox Sapphire
1 Sol Ring

Soft Lock Pieces: 17
2 Karn, Silver Golem
1 Lodestone Golem
4 Sphere of Resistance
4 Thorn of Amethyst
1 Chalice of the Void
1 Trinisphere
4 Tangle Wire

Hard Lock Pieces: 9
3 Crucible of Worlds
4 Smokestack
2 Ensnaring Bridge

Card Advantage: 6
3 Bazaar of Baghdad
3 Ghirapur Orrery

SB: 4 Grafdigger's Cage
SB: 2 Tormod's Crypt
SB: 1 Relic of Progenitus
SB: 2 Ensnaring Bridge
SB: 4 Phyrexian Revoker
SB: 2 Dismember

>>49735177
Zzzzzzzzzzzz

>>49735177
T A P P E D O U T
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>>49735177
I don't really like bazaar here. I'd swap it out for bottled cloister or something.

>>49735152
>4 Golem days
I yearn for MUD to obliterate the format, not just define it.

>>49735177
>bazaar
>card advantage

I don't like it. No sir.

>>49736703
lol

>>49733582
Nigger I have Oath and Dredge built and black-bordered. If I don't play with people with proxies, I don't get to play at all.
Sheckelli has it right, he should buy and destroy every piece of power and dual land he can find so that no more sanctioned tournaments can be run and WotC has to either fuck off with their faggot list or get the fuck out of eternal formats they never cared for and let us do whatever the fuck we want.

>>49735177
Water0
?

>>49735177
>only one Trinisphere
I don't get it.

>>49737416
>strong in a format defined by fast mana rocks
>Restricted

>>49737455
Oh right, I always forget about the restricted list not just being power.

>>49737416
Trini is a one drop in vintage. A one drop that locks out most of the format.

Hey /legacy/, I'd like some advice! Mainly, do you guys foresee them reprinting Wasteland or Force of Will again soon?

I've managed so far to not pay more than $5 on a single card, unless I'm just trading pieces of equivalent value. But obviously FOW and Wasteland are two biggies I feel I want to secure down the road to make my decks less janky. I have a few odds and ends in my collection that would be worth equivalent value just by virtue of playing limited events since Odyssey (and meme decks being on the rise in Modern, seriously when did Through The Breach become a $50 card?). Would Puccatrade be a good way to secure these two cards? What would be the best way to work towards Wastelands and Force of Will, and should I do it /now/ or keep waiting?

>>49737661
Not likely to get reprints soon. Alliances FOW are pretty cheap right now. Just get them. Sell your crap and get your playsets. You'll get your use out of them if you play legacy.

>>49737661
They reprinted Wasteland and FoW in Eternal Masters. I wouldn't bet on either of them returning to Standard anytime soon, like ever, if at all. Since the card pool is limited and those cards will always be played, the only way those prices are going is up and up, especially if people do buyouts to play the kiddie stocks (and they will). I'd buy into them sooner rather than later.

From what I've heard Pucatrade is pretty slow nowadays but I haven't been on in years. If it were up to me, I'd buy them cold turkey and call it a day.

>>49737689
>>49737721

Okay, but where would be the best place to sell off things to earn credit I could use towards the FOW and Wastelands? TCGPlayer?

>>49737736
I don't know about selling things. Just save up for a month and buy the playsets on ebay.

>>49737721
>From what I've heard Pucatrade is pretty slow nowadays but I haven't been on in years. If it were up to me, I'd buy them cold turkey and call it a day.

I've heard pucatrade is pretty useless except for standard cards.

>>49737661
Just buy chinamen fakes, and all good

>>49738028

Eh, I could, but it's not like I'm going to USE Through the Breach or Ancestral Vision or any of the cards I'd trade away, that's why I'm looking for that kind of option rather than the whole "just plop the money down" thing. I don't mind cards being expensive as long as I can trade equivalently expensive cards I don't want for them.

>>49738089
Pucatrade was bad, but now it's worse. and to get legacy staples you would have to become gold and offer 20%+ on those cards, you would see if you want to spend money on points to get them or nor, but you probably won't get them when a lot of people offers extra points for legacy playables. pucatrade is a pyramid and sucks

>>49738109

Gotcha. Thanks for letting me know!

Where do I play online?
I used to play on Cockatrice but got tired of the retards there and would like rules enforcement, but XMage is so clunky and ugly.
what do? should I just force myself into getting used to it?

>>49738255
Xmage is basically free mtgo with a slightly shittier and infinitely uglier ui.

>>49738255
I play on Untap and occasionally Cockatrice. Mostly because Untap is the first program I learned and I don't feel like learning a new one though.

>>49738903
>spoilering the first but not the second

>>49738526
I actually prefer the xmage ui, but maybe that's because I picked it up first.

>>49736555
>>49736703
If Bottled Cloister ever gets blown up, you just lose the game.

Bazaar is card advantage, in it has strong synergy with Crucible, and a decent amount of your cards are not great in multiples. It's also really powerful with Orrey and Bridge, letting you empty your hand really quickly.

>>49736666
Unrestrict Chalice then. Being restricted to 10 Spheres pushes aggro-shops really hard while punishing control-shops.

>>49740173
>unrestrict Chalice
Vintage needs many things. A format-destroying spell that anyone can play 4 of in the main is not one of them.

>>49716684
At least make it look good. A black and white scan of the card art and text glued to a basic land is fine. Not some index card bullshit with awful handwriting.

>>49740173
I disagree about losing to bottle cloister being blown up. Shops decks are often top decking anyway. In fact, with orrery you want to empty your hand. Cloister has synergy with orrery and doesn't take up your land drop. If they use artifact destruction on your cloister instead of a lockpiece they're wasting it.

>>49740380
How is Chalice "Format Destroying"? It makes it so you can't lean on Moxen or 1 Drops, which helps keep Turboxerox strategies in check. Chalice also makes Hatebears more viable.

>>49740702
It's certainly situationally better when you have enough mana to cast it and are topdecking. I will consider it, but so far Bazaar has done what I put in in there to do very well. There are some hands where you want to go turn 1 sphere turn 2 sphere Bazaar and start filtering through your deck.

>>49741219

Man, if they allowed 4 Chalices in Vintage I can only imagine what the cost would skyrocket into. Nearly every Vintage deck has to play the Moxes and Black Lotus, and any deck could play turn-one Chalice at Zero and give your opponent a mess of dead cards.

>>49741760
Chalice was unrestricted until fairly recently. It did exactly what you are saying and was fine for a long time. I think restricting it was actually very damaging to the format

>>49741843
They banned it during the last year or so, right? I remember listening to Stephen Menendian and Kevin Crone's podcast and hear them discuss the reasoning for the ban (something along the lines of "the collectors should be allowed to play the cards that make them identify as such in the format defined by them"). The reasoning is reasonable, but not a healthy one moving forward.

Also, is the flowchart complete and do you have access to it?

>>49742262
>the collectors should be allowed to play the cards that make them identify as such in the format defined by them

then REPRINT THE FUCKING CARDS SO THE REST OF US CAN PLAY WITH THEM, WIZARDS

>>49742389
one can dream...

>>49742389
Their reasoning was to allow the few that actually had the privilege to own such cards to use them more easily, not let people play. The reserved list is bullshit, but that's how it is.

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>>49707845
Does anyone know where i can get the "Darksteel Forge" effect for less mana? I want my isochron scepters to be indestructible, or at the very least untargetable by instants.

>>49742667
Indomitable Archangel gives your artifacts shroud.

>>49742698
how would that work with isochron's imprint? unaffected?

>>49742732
Does imprint target Isochron Scepter?

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>>49742667

>>49742732
Yup, what do you want to imprint?

>>49742768
silence or orims chant

counterspell is in the deck too although i'd rather have the other two

>>49742759
this i love, especially for the sub 3 cmc
but black :^( jesuis desolee

>>49743032
Read the mana cost again.

>>49742698
also the archangel would be a bit slow, seeing as how i want to get up the isochron with a denial instant like silence attached ASAP

i was thinking show and tell in the darksteel forge, but that requires both (full playsets of each which is 8 cards total) to be in my hand,

with 3 mana free,

in a deck where by turn three I want to deny my opponent from ever playing spells on his/her turn for the rest of the game (and eventually on my turn too via grand abolisher or another isochron)

>>49743088
wow, that's a really dark 3

>>49743015
>unionically playing Quinn the Eskimo
Oh shid. On the topic of Isochron jank, what do people think about Final Fortune + Scepter + Sundial of the Infinite? It can maybe come online turn 2, assuming no disruption and that you have 2 sol lands and unlike the Silence/Chant lock it prevents topdecks of any sort and any other lock pieces while you goldfish for a wincon.

>>49743114
>Sundial of the Infinite
"activate only on your turn"
what was R&D thinking? aside from this combo?

>>49743179
Allows you to skip end step triggers and prevents your opponent from comboing off on your turn.

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>Legacy tournament this weekend
>mfw

>>49743279
What are you bringing?

>>49743298
He posted a picture of what he is bringing.

>>49743279
You should oil yourself up and play shirtless.

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>>49743015

If you're already running blue and white, you could always do Monastery Siege and name "Dragons".

>>49743279
>Legacy tournament in a few weekends
I'm gonna win that Volcanic, sell it off and finish some other deck.

Alright so this is probably a dumbass question, but I googled around and found very different answers, so I still dunno.
I'm just getting into vintage and I wanna know if people are cool with proxies. Like I would totally love to own a black lotus, but I do not have that much money to spend on a card.
If I used proxies of the more valuable cards I don't own, is that okay? Some places say who gives a shit, others act like it's a huge crime.
So if I walk into my lgs to play some vintage and have a fake Mox Ruby, am I gonna get yelled at?

>>49745335
People don't bring powered vintage to a game store for shits and giggles unless there's a tournament or it's prearranged. Nobody'll give a shit if you have proxies. Nobody will have a vintage deck either. You have to make plans, let people whip something up with proxies, etc.

Hypothetical Situation:

You're on the play against an unknown opponent, you can play either chalice for one or blood moon T1. All else remaining equal, which do you choose and why?

>>49746290
Chalice on one, fucks more decks over and generally prevents t1 plays from most decks letting you see if t2 blood moon would be good or if it's a dead card

>>49746290

I play Winter's Orb on turn one.

I play exclusively bad meme decks on my MTGO account.
Cheap as fuck as well.

Is budget Sac-Land Tendrils fun for a legacy deck choice?

>>49746290
I blood moon T1, 100% of the time. Reason being that them playing a one drop will rely on them having a basic in hand, so in some ways it does the job Chalice does. If they have a basic, letting them have one spell is less dangerous then letting them fetch under your Moon.

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>>49742262
The reasoning was along the lines of "The purpose of vintage is to play with Moxen". Which is a qualitative statement about the format that people took offence to.

This guy is great. Instead of just killing people with Spheres, I kill people with Spheres.

>>49746729
>they're playing burn
:^)

>>49747381
I'll take the 3 damage 4% of the time to win more of the other games.

What is a good legacy starter deck to get into the format online? Cost not an issue as im playing on cockatrice but don't like embarrassing by not knowing the format whatsoever. Is burn safe?

>>49747427
Turbo depths or any stompy is pretty linear.

>>49747427
>idiot proof
Stompy decks (Eldrazi and Splinter Twin included), 12 Post, Show and Tell

>some thought required
Goblins, Elves, Merfolk, Burn

>thought required
Stoneblade, Parfait, Reanimator, Infect, Delver

>expertise required
Miracles, Dredge, Death and Taxes

Or something like that.

>>49747427
Pick a deck that looks fun, goldfish it and watch some video's, then just play it. Don't worry about whether its a "starter" deck or not.

>>49746290

Chalice.

Not only do you not need to tip your hand with Chalice (Blood Moon indicates red rather obviously), it's unlikely someone will both be able to deal with the Chalice and make game-changing plays on their first turn.

There's also the fact that almost every non-Chalice deck (read: almost every deck) relies on 1-cmc cards, and this includes red decks, which obviously walk right past Blood Moon.

If you're against a Chalice deck, so what? You've effectively tipped that you're playing the same/a similar strategy, which normally is a problem, but you've only indicated that their Chalices are as useless as yours. You've used a turn-1 play to do something useless when they're going to get a turn-1 play to either do the same thing or hold their useless card in hand. Even though you've wasted a card, they're holding a dead card in hand if it's just as useless against you.

>>49747499
What if they're on an Abrupt Decay deck with basics? You can very easily lose the game by letting them get that first basic out. A single one drop resolving isn't the end of the world, and hiding which specific Chalice deck you're on isn't that helpful once mulligans are resolved

>>49747544
But then what if they just have basics in hand? That can and will happen by against non chalice decks you'll most likely get a time walk essentially and figure out what they're on if you're keen enough.

>>49747544

Assuming that you've got both Blood Moon and Chalice in hand, and the capability to cast either one on T1 (and presumably the other on T2), I still don't think there's much chance that your opponent will be able to break the Chalice.

The way I think about it is this: very few decks fulfill the conditions you listed. Even if they've got an Abrupt Decay in hand, they won't be able to break both the Chalice and the Blood Moon in time to make use of their fetches to find basic lands they don't have in hand on the first or second turn. And you're working under the assumption they'll be able to pull off a T1-2 Decay and still get their combo online through two pieces of hate. Sure, it's possible that they'll have a second Decay, but Blood Moon makes it really hard for a lot of decks to cast said Decay once you've forced them to waste the first without knowledge of your Blood Moon.

Obviously this is all really hypothetical (what if it's turn 2 or turn 3? What if they're running an anti-Stompy deck that just wants to maximize answers to artifacts and enchantments? What if it's game 2 or game 3? Etc.), but I think it's very unlikely that someone will be able to work through a Chalice on 1 and a Blood Moon if you start by turning off all cantrips, most discards and bounce/removal, and a good portion of countermagic. Blood Moon is great, but it doesn't do that, and it's a dud against red decks.

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>>49747427

>>49747594
>>49747642
You want to give them as few ways to break out as possible. Locking out all their mana is the most efficient way to do this. If they have a basic + a one drop, then Blood Moon is clearly worse. If they have a Fetchland and a 2 drop, Chalice is worse. The worrisome 2 drop is Tarmogoyf, which will generally run you over pretty quickly.

I would ask, what one drops usually cast off of a basic land are you worried about?

>>49747702
The only 1 drops I can think of that might be problematic under a blood moon are DRS and Vial.

>>49747726
Vial is a good one, but those decks do generally run many basics. DRS is pretty non-threatening, outside of it representing Abrupt Decay. In the case that you lead Blood Moon, the DRS won't be able to make mana until they start discarding to hand size, which is nice.

>>49747702
Sensei's divining top

>>49747756
I play a deck that almost can't win against t1 moon on the play. I know which card I would cast first, given the opportunity.

>>49747702

You're right, except for the fact that you're discounting the possibility that the person in question is playing red (or that they're just playing some other kind of monocolored deck like D&T or High Tide).

There are plenty of reasons to play Blood Moon, but I don't think it's as strong a play on T1. You'll shut down a number of decks immediately (Delvers come to mind, which lends credence to your statement about Tarmogoyf), but you're also relying on going against certain archetypes that don't run basics and/or don't play red as a big portion of their gameplan. A large number of decks fall into that category, but a much larger number fall into the category of "decks that need to play 1-costed cards to function."

So yes, locking someone out of all their mana is great when it works. The problem is that oftentimes that isn't accomplished by playing Blood Moon.

As a caveat, I'll admit that I don't play a whole lot of decks, and they often aren't too bothered by a Blood Moon.

>>49747778
In a funny way, Blood Moon actually does stop Top from being that good.

>>49747834
I'm basic this on experience playing Dragon and Goblin stompy. Most decks that fold to Chalice will fold to Blood Moon. Not every Deck that folds to Blood Moon folds to Chalice. Therefore, Blood Moon is a stronger leading play.

The decks that I would rather have Chalice than Moon out are Miracles, Storm, Sneak and Show, Burn and Reanimator, Pox, Dredge and High Tide and Painter.

The decks I would rather have Moon than Chalice are Eldrazi, every Delver deck, Shardless, Infect, Lands, Jund, Maverick, MUD, Aggro Loam, Elves, and 12 Post. I believe that represents a higher percentage of the metagame.

>>49747951

Here's the thing, though: based on the parameters of the original question, the debate isn't over which one you'd rather play; it's about the order in which to play them. Sure, you're right about which decks fold to which singular piece of hate (largely; I'd dispute a few of the decks you listed, esp. Reanimator and Elves). The real question is which of the two cards is best to play first. In some of the matchups you listed (Eldrazi/MUD, Lands, 12-Post, Shardless) a Blood Moon is definitely a better play, but you're banking on a number of the other decks' being unable to find an answer to the Moon. There's also the fact that redundant countermagic is much easier to manage than redundant spot removal, largely by virtue of the fact that countermagic is often free (or cmc 1) in the format.

I'm interested in discussing this further, but I've got to duck out for the evening. I just feel like you're basing the first play on the likelihood that that play alone will wreck the opponent, and not on which one is more likely to hold them back until you hit the second. If the parameters are "you have either Chalice or Blood Moon in hand, and you can cast either on T1," I think it's a close call, and that you might be right that Blood Moon is better. But few decks will fold to only one of the two cards if you don't follow it with something to either lock them up further or start clocking them, and if you have both, I think that changes the equation rather strongly in favor of Chalice.

>>49748285
Elves seems like Chalice is good and Blood Moon is bad, but in practice you generally find the opposite to be the case on the play. The deck only runs 1-2 actual forests, so t1 Moon will lock out most hands, while Cavern, GSZ and Rec Sage actually make Chalice less than a hard lock

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Daily reminder that chinamen fakes are perfect and you have no reason to pay more than $3 on cardboard squares

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man, I am UPSET. Now I understand how Esper feels. Pic Related banned when?

Quick question, why is DDFT called Doomsday FETCHLAND tendrils? Wouldn't something like DD fetch ToA be far more logical?

>>49750350
the name originates from way back in the day. Storm decks used to use a rainbow land manabase. People began to develop storm decks that used fetchlands with basics and duals for stability, sacrificing some speed for better ability to beat countermagic and permanent based hate. These decks were known collectively under the moniker "Fetchland Tendrils." At first these decks used Ill-Gotten Gains as their primary storm engine, but eventually people started using Doomsday as the storm engine for the flexibility it provided. "Doomsday" was prepended to the deck name, and all other forms of "Fetchland Tendrils" died out (until Ad Nauseam was printed) but the name stuck.

>>49750498
Thanks, the more you know, eh?

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anyone play rug? thoughts on this list? I thought the 54 was sacred, but I guess it worked for this dude.

>>49749359
>This sucker on T1
Now I'm not saying I'm angry, I'm just saying how I wish you would stop taking my creature cards out of the graveyard. Get your own creatures!

>>49751034

LED Dredge is actually reasonably capable of comboing through a Shaman without using removal.

Not every time, and DRS sure is aggravating, but it's less of a hurdle than a lot of people say it is. I'm a lot more worried about Leylines or Grafdigger's Cage because they necessitate our having the appropriate removal in hand.

>>49752151
obviously not him, but I think the really frustrating part is that it's just a very good, maindeckable card.

>>49752198
Exactly, it's so absurdly good in every possible way. It could be a 0/1 and still be pushed as fuck.
>Hybrid mana cost makes it easy to cast
>Relevant tribe
>1/2 body means it doesn't die to Engineered Plague
>Almost always taps for mana of any color, absurd synergy with wasteland
>Drains for 2 consistently in a spell and cantrip heavy format
>Gains life
and it does it all while being graveyard hate for your opponent.

>tfw there's a Leylines player and an Oops All Spells player at my LGS
>they're both coming to the Legacy event at the end of the month
>I'm forced to play Burn because my LEDs are CHYNA
How boned am I, dudes? Do I even have a shot at winning now?

>>49753064
Yes. Splash green for destructive revelry and play leyline of the void in the board. Alternatively, win your first 2 matches and you probably won't have to play against them.

>>49753064
What's the point of buying fakes if you aren't going to use them?

>>49753064
yeah, that sounds rough, dude. I guess just do what DDFTguy said or just play with your LEDs. who's gonna know?

>>49753179
I get what you're saying, but I've been there. bought a bunch of fakes and then lost my nerve when they came in. I ended up just giving them to a friend who's ballsier than me.

>>49753097
I can trim 1 Mindbreak Trap and 3 Smash for a Taiga and 3 Revelry if I have to. I already have 2 RiP and a Plateau in the side. Might be easier to just use Leylines instead... Dunno, this is why we test.

>>49753609

I'd keep the Mindbreak Trap. Leylines is going to be a bigger problem than All Spells, I think, unless you're willing to run mass enchantment removal of some kind. Are you running any green in your sideboard?

>T1 Swamp, Dark Ritual, Duress, Hymn to Tourach
>T2 Scrubland, Sinkhole
>Opponent scoops
How come no one ever told me Deadguy is so much fun?

>>49754198
It's Legacy burn so it's actually all red except for the Plateau and RiP in the sideboard. I could probably splash green if I had to, maybe just use a basic forest instead of spending $50 on a Taiga.

>>49707852
where's affinity?

>>49750949
No such thing as sacred cows. List looks fine. Players have been experimenting with cutting creatures for several months now because 12 feels like a lot.

Are any of you guys going to GP Providence? I'm going so i can play legacy side events til my asshole bleeds.

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/a-fair-price/

How would you guys make that deck better? I'm posting in the legacy thread mostly because that's what I play in with my friends. Gimmick is saccing clues and servos to Trafficker or use the draw to pump up Bloodbriar and Tracker. Big creatures are there to end the game and eldritch evolution are there to fetch them.

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>>49715097
English Tabernacle or English Moat.

>>49755310
Man I wish. It's the closest GP location to me and it's 7 hours away

>>49757726
that sucks. it's only about 2 hours for me and my whole crew is going, mostly for the main event. But there's enough side events I can probably play about 20+ rounds of legacy the whole weekend, so I signed on.

>>49755310
I'm 6 hours away, and I'd have to be back by Monday morning, so unfortunately I won't be able to get there.

>>49757845
Yeah that's what I'd do when I lived in San Diego and they had GPs and PTs all the time. Side events and trade all day. Make sure your trade binder is fucking stocked, even with shit you probably don't want to trade. People really bring their shit to those things.

>>49757861
Lol VT/NH/ME?

Anyone going to this?

LEGACY - 20K EVENT

Date: Sunday, October 16, 2016

Time: 10:00 AM; registration opens at 9:00 AM

Format: Legacy

Event Fee: $60

Prize Pool:

1st Place: 1x Black Lotus, 1x Ancestral Recall, 1x Time Walk, 1x Timetwister

2nd Place: 1x Black Lotus

3rd-4th: 1x Mox Pearl, 1x Mox Ruby, 1x Mox Emerald

5th-8th: 1x either Mox Jet or Mox Sapphire

X-2: $200 Tales of Adventure store credit

X-3: $75 Tales of Adventure store credit

https://www.reddit.com/r/spikes/comments/575lrp/legacyvintage_eternal_extravaganza_october_1516/

Fucking dank prizes. Wish I didn't work Mondays, this one is actually worth the train ride.

Those aresults insane prizes but I ain't going to Maryland to scrub out with ddft.

>>49758120
Come on man you can go x-3.

>>49758082
>implying I'm not going to fly up from Florida and shitpost irl with Dredge
School can suck my dick, this is the Power 9 we're talking about!

>>49758258
>School can suck my dick, this is the Power 9 we're talking about!

You sound like a few of my students. If only I could blow off class for them...

>>49758152
I really need more practice. I haven't played MTGO in a couple weeks and I only get a handful of real games in every week, usually against only one or 2 decks. I'd like to be able to cash one of the eternal weekend trials at the GP. but i need more practice and a better meta read.

>>49757900
VT, it's pretty surprising how many of us are in the New England area. If I ever go to a LGS and see someone playing Lich I'm gonna call the the fuck out, be ready.

>>49758852
Do you live anywhere near the border near Lebanon, NH? Once in a while I go to Black Moon Games there.

The Northeast has always had a pretty good vintage/legacy scene.

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>>49742667
Brand new in Kaladaladesh.

>>49759388
nah, I'm closer to Mass than anything.

>>49760205
Oh damn I was about to ask... I'm up in Burlington, very little by way of legacy up here.

>>49759434
I'm convinced this card is the big sleeper of Kaladesh.

Just played a few rounds on MTGO with DDFT.

R1 vs grixis delver (1-2)
G1 I therapy his brainstorms away so he can't find extra countermagic and then go off through daze. G2 i lose by misclicking and paying life for probe, leaving me without enough life to combo. Game 3 the turn I want to go off he's got 1 untapped blue so I blind therapy naming stifle and see a bunch of forces. Can't get rid of them before I die.

R2 vs miracles.
G1 I have a turn 2 kill. I probe and see a counterbalance, no counters and a brainstorm so i gamble and just jam and get there. G2 he mulls to 5, I duress on my first turn, and he ragequits

R3 vs RB reanimator
G1 he therapies blind, names force. turn 2 he reanimates iona and names blue. I can't get pieces I need in time to go off without a blue spell. G2 he mulls to 5, i rip his hand apart, and go off for 16 drills to the dome. G3 he drops Iona on blue again. I natural tendrils him to 1 (can't brainstorm to get that 10th spell), cast doomsday, but he has a young pyromancer to speed up his clock and I don't have enough turns to draw the ritual + tendrils I need to kill him.

R4 vs Maverick
I dickslap him game 1 with an easy turn 3 kill on the play. he had Mom and Sylvan Library out and no mana untapped. G2 he plays an ethersworn canonist, but I've sided in abrupt decays and I decay it and go off the next turn.

>>49760283
If you scream down 89 you could get to Lebanon in an 1.5 hours. Black Moon Games there does Legacy every Sunday. Not a huge crowd but a stable 8-10 players and they're all rad dudes.

>>49760298
For use in legacy?
Please explain theories.

>>49747662
ULAMOG THE INFINITE GYRE MANLY

>>49760427

Not him but Im brainstorming jank low-power Assembly-Worker tribal now that we got Self Assembler. I have no idea what to do other with this affinity.

I'm gonna make a new thread

Here it is
>>49762166

>>49760427
Not that guy but I play it in modern blue moon and it's decent. If you play some stompy/bridge deck with planeswalker, he can help draw and protect the bridge/chalice. Mandatory Bottled Cloister to not get killed.

>>49761064
>tfw I want to find a way to use the new Emrakul in Legacy

>>49707852
Enchantress checking in :)