/srg/ - Shadowrun General

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>Playing Shadowrun with the lads for the first time
>My character is a cybered-up street sam
>Mission brief involves us taking down a local gang run by a shaman
>Take the sneaky approach through a sewer system near their hideout
>Encounter hordes of hobos in the sewer system
>We have info that this gang are supported by the local hobos
>Opt to eradicate the hobos as they could attract reinforcements
>Already killed a few anyway
>Party disagrees but doesn’t do much else
>I tell them to go off so me and another guy down with it can go kill the hobos
>Murder our way through the remaining hobos
>End up facing down the hobo women and children who are crying in a corner
>Kill ‘em
>Party stragglers and guy I was killing the hobos with get pissed off
>Adept comes in and punches my organs out
>Didn’t even get one shot against him
>Party say I was morally wrong in my actions and so they killed me
>Adept then skins me, removes my face, and rapes my corpse
>"You don't understand, you're morally wrong"
>mfw
>mfw dm allowed this

>>49697295
You're all fuckwagons

>>49697191
I thought we agreed it was heavily armed loli edition?

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>>49697373
...Isn't that how you play your urchins?

>>49697373
Some urchins are female
some of these urchins have found an armor vest
compared to the rest these urchins are heavily armed

>>49697191
Urchins are like level 1-3 Agent programs for faces. They do the simple stuff you could do yourself, but don't want to, because you have wine testings to attend to.
I would suggest that every face has a 3-4 loyalty and 1 influence urchin as connection.

My latest concept is someone who was a street kid in Chicago's Zone during the quarantine. 13 at the start, 16 at the end. By the end of it, he was a scarred, deeply traumatized badass with an assault cannon and underbarrel chainsaw. He fucked around in Chicago afterwards as an ultraviolent Zoner mercenary, before finally trying to transition into running. Age has tempered him somewhat, as he's now pushing 40, but the assault cannon and chainsaw still come out when shit hits the fan.

>>49697433
>>49697438
Don't try to weasel your way when pic is clearly unrelated to the promised dream!

I expected this from corpsec, but from you anon?
Et tu, et tu.

>>49697535
chummer, YOU wanted sluts
everyone else was against that
last suggestion was for something wholesome

I don't give a fuck

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How about loli catgirl fixers

>>49697656
I'm voting against. I cannot maintain a healthy professional business relationship if I'd constantly have to sexualize my fixer.

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>>49697687
That's what they all say.

How viable would it be to make a character based on that chick with the legs from Kingsman?

But y'know. With more cyber bits probably.

>>49697706
Very.

Can you throw melee weapons that aren't typically marked for throwing?

If so, what's the damage and range?

Also, why is the Javelin from R&G not in Chummer?

>>49697656
No because I'm not a degenerate

>>49697769
probably, but likely at a penalty

whatever your gm says they are

check ammo, all the throwing weapons are there

>>49697769
I don't know if 5e has it, but 4e had Improvised Throwing Weapons with a table for all objects
Maybe the Arsenal equivalent has it in 5e

>>49697769
If you're not an adept I'd say that it would probably suck all around. If you are an Adept and have Missile Mastery, I'd let it be an improvement over the base that you get for killing a dood with paper clips.

And the Javelin is. Look under ammo.

>>49697777
this

>>49697765
What would you do, Hand Blades in Cyber Lower-legs?

>>49697958
You would need an exotic weapon skill for that, which is ehhh?

>>49698118
I haven't seen anything that says you'd need an Exotic Skill.

Not the Raptor Foot (obvious, more expensive hand blades that get extra AP and are only R), and not the foot blade (by the book, only for flesh feet, hard as hell to get, F, mathematically about the same as hand razors, which doesn't necessarily mean anything in play).

I'd say, though, that you should be able to get an equivalent to the core stuff for your feet, same with being F rated if they're retractable. Probably R if they're obvious. More expensive, though, based on the precedents of the Raptor Foot and Foot Blade.

>>49698118
Implanted melee 'ware uses Unarmed Combat

>>49698274

By RAW putting implant weapons in cyber legs are identical to putting them in cyber arms, and they're all naturally retractable. Not sure how useful shock feet would be though...

Also, I think by RAW you can put them in cyber skulls and torsos, which makes no sense whatsoever.

>>49698352
Well, they're retractable. You can give the worst headbutts and the most extreme reactions for "I Don't Want To Be Hugged" ever.

For the head one, perhaps if you're good at con, argue that it's oni cosplay?

And yeah, by RAW you should, but somebody, somewhere's going to argue off those two bits and I felt I should start there because the other side is, well. Dead simple.

As for the use of shockfeet... I guess it's the funniest way to unexpectedly short out stuff?

>>49698352
Ramming and headbutting people with your cyber-mohawk sounds amazingly awesome, though. It could even be retractable, like Zoidberg's head spines!

>>49698352
Hey, technically cyber genitalia count as cyberlimbs too. So... what, implant a microgrenade launcher in your dick? Get spurs in your vagina and run around killing people via vagina dentata?

>>49698402
I don't think cybergenetalia or Breast Implants 2.0 have enough capacity to take that.

In fact, I think they both have capacity ratings of [1], which means that they can be put in cyberlimbs.

>>49698435
...So, what, I can finally be an actual dickhead?

>>49698352
>>49698391
Shock feet? More like kickstarters

>>496984456
You can be the man with 62 cyberdicks

>>49698435
I know you can sneak a hold out pistol in one.

I know because my gm gave me karma for it.

Don't mean to derail the thread but I'm with a group that's about to start a campaign tomorrow and there are two of us who are pretty shaky on the rules; the decker and the rigger (me).

The thing that seems to be throwing us off is what to roll for a given action. As everyone seems to agree, all the books' layout are complete garbage and we're having a hell of a time figuring out what we need to know.

Are there sheets out there where you can just insert your stats to figure out what to roll for general actions ahead of time?

Another thing that is sort of messing us up is the Matrix. I have a handle on how it works conceptually but, again, I'm having a hard time finding what softs I need, for what and when.

Last thing; any suggestions for a rigger set up? I have my stats laid out for the most part but was wondering what kind of gear you suggest. Our party consists of a face, decker, and rigger so it looks like I'm going to be in charge of damage.

>>49697295
>Not carrying a Highlander for delicious +2 reach
>Not purchasing a throwback Ares Alpha for the sole purpose of shooting your Decker
>Not implanting a Cortex bomb in your own skull for the purpose of destroying everything around you.

Are you sure you are the street sam?

Is there no mechanical benefit for kicking with Hydraulic Jacked legs? That would be perfect here.

>>49697958
Cyber lower legs, Bulk 2, Skimmers, hydraulic jacks 4, spurs (or foot anchors), and armor.

>>49698445
And you can have enough capacity left in your non-bulk obvious cyberskull to put in any of the cyber melee weapons other than the shock hand or a hold-out pistol.

If you bulk the skull up at all, then shock hand is available as is a light pistol.

Synthetic skull can't really mount anything other than that one bit you want. And in that case, it sort of negates the purpose of a synth-limb.

>>49698517
>He thinks CGL would be reasonable

HA

How do I delete entries on Chummer's character roster? I was messing around with making new characters, accidentally picked the wrong metatype, and now I can't delete this fucking "unnamed character". I didn't even save the file.

Wait, is there any bioware equivalent of cyberlimbs, or do biolimbs at least have some Capacity to implant stuff in?

>>49698549
CGL?

>>49698475
The Hayek sheets have lots of helpful stuff, and in that link in the OP, there's also a spreadsheet that will do the calcuations, IIRC.

If it's 5e, you don't need any softs, and you can arguably even do without programs. You won't want to, because they're great. And you might want an Agent as a general purpose search-engine trawling bot for when you can't be assed to do it yourself.

For the rigger, have a back-up motorcycle that can take the walker mod if you're able to use Rigger 5.0. Mount a weapon on it with burst or full auto capabilties and marvel at the huge extra RC it has.

For you personally, get a full smartgun system. The link in your eyes (normal or cyber), and make it internal to the gun if you don't have the slots free for it. Take something with burst fire, at least. And if you have a cyber-limb get a pair of rating 5 sensors (an array if you've got the scratch) and start a turn off like this:

Simple Action - Active Sensor Attack (your perception+intution-3 versus their agi+stealth. Net hits become a penalty to their defense rolls until they can break the lock with a better agi+stealth or you lock on to something else)

Simple Action - Smartgun Aim (You get both the die and the limit bonus.)

Then next pass for you, shoot a burst and watch their defense disappear.

>>49698606
Catalyst Game Labs, the company that writes all this shit.

>>49698613
>The company that hires the freelancers that write all this shit

Ftfy

How cyberpunk is drones tricked out to be modular limbs? Obviously when used as limbs they are directly connected by wires and not hackable.

And as a further question, how faggoty is it?

If you get a vehicle with weapon mounts, and you give the weapons in the mounts Smart Firing Platforms, can they fire on their own?

>>49698893
For cheap, go with mobile (enough) manual mounts.

But yes. Being able to fire on their own is most (but not all) of the point of a Smart Firing Platform.

>>49698800
>not hackable
Laughing dwarves.trid

>>49698597
Nope. They make up for it in cheaper Essence cost

>>49698549
>he thinks cgl haven't already tucked some slightly overcomplicated and highly specific rules for this in a paragraph of fluff in the other of the book

Just got to keep looking

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>>49698597
>do biolimbs at least have some Capacity to implant stuff in?

They don't have Capacity, but you can implant stuff right into your meatlegs if it has an Essence cost listed beside the Capacity.

>>49697706
I made one a while back, just looking for the right campaign to use her in. or any campaign, fuck I want to play Shadowrun and not this bullshit Dungeon World once-every-6-weeks thing we're doing

>>49699536

>Ultra-Glide Industrial Lubricant (liter)

Why?

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>>49699575
Because that shit is useful as fuck. If you can't find a dozen uses for a jug of superlube on any given run, you're not thinking hard enough.

With regards to Anarchy: It looks like the cue system lets players act like mini GMs on their narrations, but what exactly are the limits? I see a list of what is strictly the GM's territory, but not for players, or even a good example. Can a player add set dressing (computers, caves, keys, a passcode on a sticky note)? Add NPCs?

>>49698576
That's odd; the roster is only supposed to load stuff that's in your MRU list (Which you can remove by right-clicking on the items in the File menu), or the Watch Folder that you define in Options.
>>49700156
Of course, that's pretty much the entire point of the cue system. Players have free rein to put in whatever they want, but the GM has the right to veto stuff.

>you need to waste time rolling matrix perception to identify things that aren't running silent
>Feel guilty for hogging the attention doing their own thing like hackers always do because the rules make you

why, CGL
why do you torture me this way

>>49700480
Maybe houserule it
everything not running silent gets a simple description
>Video file named "manual for using device XYZ"
>Text file labeled "company records YYYY-MM-DD alpha"
>Simsense file titled "aajalskjer"
you get a list of file type and name, name does not always indicate the content, if you want to know the content of an individual file you have to open it/do a matrix perception test, finding specific files takes a matrix perception test

how does that sound?

>captcha: Slow Down & Take Care 6202
good idea captcha

>>49700578
Man, all of those are names I'd use to hide porn

Who hasn't used a random documentation folder?

>>49700731
>Who hasn't used a random documentation folder?
me

>>49697687
>cannot maintain a healthy professional business relationship if I'd constantly have to sexualize my fixer
Well, what else do you think Rating 5 connection means?

>>49700299
Hey, Yekka, how would you be able to make something like this in Chummer and have it properly effect gear?

dikote™: This chemical process deposits a layer
of diamond on any solid, rigid surface . You can use
it to reinforce the structure of buildings, vehicles, and
even worn armor, increasing the Armor rating (Ballistic
and Impact) by 3 . You can even buff up your melee
weapon, giving it an additional +1 to its Damage Value
and, if it’s an edged weapon, a –2 AP modifier .
The Dikote™ process is sold by surface area, in lots
of 100 cm 2 . For reference, a jacket is about 15,000
cm 2 , a full suit of armor is about 22,500 cm 2 , and a
long coat is around 27,500 cm 2 (multiply by 0 .75 for
dwarf sizes and by 1 .5 for troll sizes) . A katana is 500
cm 2 . It’s a good edge to have on the street, at least
until the patent expires and everybody has it .

Probably would need to either make it a flat cost for convenience or something, but how would you go about adding this codewise if someone wanted to put it in their own thing?

If this is doable, would you be able to do a real quick explanation of how to add other values along the lines of this? Tweaking weapon damage/AP/reach, or adding things like that.

>>49700731
At one point, I changed the file names & types, so anyone else would have to guess they're not regular program files first.

I want to force my BBW GILF orc shemale fetish on my players, /srg/. How do I best go about doing this?

>>49698402
That depends on your GM.
Mine has ruled that cyber genitalia can take the Bulk mod, meaning that, if you want to meme to the extreme, you can have a cyberdeck or a machinegun built in to your cyberdong, but it would have to be horse-sized to function.

>49701039
>take some chlorine based cleaner
>take some cleaner with ammonia in it
>take a good solid take of both
>take a plastic bag
>put it over your head
>fasten it around your neck
>?????
>profit

>>49701039
Make her a fixer
I mean aside from Ork, Kubota was pretty much this in DMS

>>49701111
Thanks for the (You), my friend. Should I go with the farting loli incest scenario, then?

>>49701052
The way most players are, even unaugmented dicks need to be horse sized to be considered functional

>>49701150
>farting loli
It pains me to realize that soy intolerance is probably a justifiably common nuisance in the 6th world...

>>49701039
depends what does the G stand for

>>49701191
There's still krill and mycoprotein. Plus, I think the symbionts for mild intolerances aren't too expensive for a one-time purchase.

>49701150
>Thanks for the (You)
the pleasure's all mine

>captcha: gifts 5

>>49701209
Elderly ancestors of either sex, anything you want desu bby

u know who
Thanks again for the (((You)))

>>49701052
What happens if you slap Bulk on a cyberpussy?

then youll have a bigger box

>>49701191
I think third edition basically forced a food-based allergy on your character for going with something other than the standard metatypes.

>>49698402
Cyber genitalia have [Capacity], not Capacity. That means they can get installed into a cybertorso (or cyberarm, cyberskull...) without taking up Essence. It does NOT mean that your can install mods into them. They're like hydraulic jacks, spurs, or armor - a mod for a cyberlimb, and not a cyberlimb in their own right.

>>49701731
...So I could have a cyberdong coming out of my cyberarm?

>>49701775
You could be the cyber-porcupine.

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>>49701731

>>49701775
Yes. You could have a series of cyberdongs installed in every bit of Capacity available in bulk cyberarms, cyberlegs, a cybertorso, and a cyberskull. I'm not at my computer right now, or I'd give you an accurate total too.

Alternatively, you could install a dong in one hand, a pussy in the other, and then entertain yourself when bored.

I want you to imagine a woman. She can be whatever you like, loli, milf, ork, elf, human, Asian, white, doesn't matter. The point is that she's had every single limb, including her head and torso, replaced by obvious cyberware. Every single point of capacity on her new limbs has been filled with a cybernetic vagina and reproductive replacements, after adding as much bulk as we possibly can. I am almost certain that we're fitting enough ware in her that she's become a cyberzombie. Her bloated flesh is rejecting the chrome, steel, and silicone. What little left of her soul shreds more and more as the cancer expands to eat the remnants of the flesh that was once so sweet and nubile. The dregs of her soul are imprisoned, screaming, in her body, as grotesquely warped and enfolded around the dozens of artifical vaginas and wombs as it is. This is not the supersoldier kind of cyberzombie. This is the advent of a new generation, a generation used exclusively for birthing. Grotesque embryos grow in the jars that make up her reproductive system, and dripping tunnels riddle the puffy, swollen patchwork of tumors that serves to connect her augmentation. She is yours, the knowledge is etched across every centimeter of her flesh and bone, and she weeps to know it.

Imagine it.

>>49701984
Wait is this cocg

>>49701860
>Alternatively, you could install a dong in one hand, a pussy in the other, and then entertain yourself when bored.
>Felix man you gotta cut it out its creepy
>but this stakeout is so damn boring! Plus its not really a dick or a pussy, its cyber, look its harmless
>GET YOUR FUCKING DICK OUT OF MY FACE!

>>49702798
You could also install a cock behind, rather than in front, of your pussy, for a very different kind of dickgirl. Just insert, sit, and rock your way back and forth to maximum entertainment.

At that point, though, you may as well just get a sim module and a looping 1 second recording of an orgasm's climax and just enjoy some coldsim while you wait.

>>49701984

Twitched, but didn't even reach half-mast. Need to work on the other details. Smell, taste, feel, the sounds. Psychosexual shit ain't enough, it needs to be visceral.

>>49703011
Thanks for the feedback, man. I'll try and improve on it next thread.

Is there a negative quality for someone having leverage over you, like the treatment for a lasting poison, or really solid blackmail, or a hostage? I want to play a character who can get leaned on by someone who has real power over him, but the closest I can find is In Debt, and that doesn't work for me at all.

>>49703011
>Psychosexual shit ain't enough
Disagreed. Visceral shit ain't enough, it needs to be psychosexual.

>>49703766
>>49703011
The two of you now need fight to see whose opinion reigns supreme.

>>49703737
Dependents could work with a bit of refluffing.

>>49703900
>Dependents could work with a bit of refluffing.
I guess. I'm more looking for a quality that can represent the mafia, or some corporate guy, or even a dirty cop having some kind of leverage which they can use to force you to do certain tasks.

>>49703910
Maybe a refluffed enemy?

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Question about spirit combat.
So, when spirits are manifested, they're dual natured. Let's say it wants to attack another spirit that is hanging out solely in the astral plane. Could it affect that spirit using its elemental attack power, which is physical based rather than mana? I'm thinking it shouldn't, but another player says it should (since the attacking spirit is dual-natured, and is using magic to attack magic)

>>49698947
Well they arent, after all with the wifi off and the ware connected directly by wires if your hacking them then you have to be close enough to the samurai to shove a usb into his arm.

>>49704704
This is 5th ed, btw.
Basically, they're saying if you're a spirit or an astral perceiving mage, you can attack astral stuff with physical based spells.

I want to fight focusing on a monofilament whip. Assuming I do have guns as a backup, should I bother with the Whip Fighting martial art? Which techniques are best? Does it work well in Chummer?

So I offered my players a nice paying job today. Record a simsense of each team member conducting a raid on a warehouse, abduct a runner team with the same archetype make up, deliver them to the Johnson. The Johnson will then feed them psychotropic drugs and BTL-level version of the simsense recording until they believe they were the ones that pulled off the raid. Then the Johnson will deliver the captured runners to his boss, to satisfy their wishes to punish whoever it was that really raided the warehouse. Johnson figures it'd be too much trouble to track the real raiders down, since it happened months ago and they left no traces.

The players, being sensible, sane people, turned down the job and managed to back out without pissing off the Johnson. To quote one of them, out of character, "I don't know if I should be proud of us or screaming that we missed the point".

It was a fun session, and we didn't even do anything.

The best part is that the players were the real raiders of that warehouse.

>>49703910
In the same book as In Debt, there's Big Regret and Ex-Con. Big Regret is far more flexible, but it requires both you and the GM to roleplay out your parts to make it work.

>>49704751
Is that Physical or physical

Is the Corporate Council Station on the matrix, or is it on its own isolated network?

>>49697295
You're supposed to be a murderhobo
not a hobo-murderer.

>>49700156
>>49700299
The new update that came out today also added guidelines to play the game with a gm.

Which kinda goes like this:
Just play it like you usually do, heavily consider awarding plot points when players describe scenes that add their cues into it.

Simple and to the point.

>>49700937
Hmmm. Make a custom_armor.xml file and put this in it:
<chummer>
<mods>
<mod>
<id>c33aab00-7450-4946-a177-0f044f63f823</id>
<name>Dikote (100cm)</name>
<category>General</category>
<armor>3</armor>
<maxrating>500</maxrating>
<armorcapacity>[0]</armorcapacity>
<avail>4</avail>
<cost>Rating * 1000</cost>
<source>SR5</source>
<page>0</page>
</mod>
</mods>
</chummer>

For the weapon version, a custom_weapons file:
<chummer>
<accessories>
<accessory>
<id>e2dcce16-659a-464d-9f17-29f42caaf4eb</id>
<name>Dikote (100cm, Edged)</name>
<mount />
<rating>10</rating>
<slots>0</slots>
<dvbonus>1</dvbonus>
<apbonus>-2</apbonus>
<avail>4</avail>
<cost>Rating * 1000</cost>
<source>SR5</source>
<page>181</page>
</accessory>
<accessory>
<id>7849c652-dbc1-43b4-a684-3b044dc119b9</id>
<name>Dikote (100cm, Blunt)</name>
<mount />
<rating>10</rating>
<slots>0</slots>
<dvbonus>1</dvbonus>
<avail>4</avail>
<cost>Rating * 1000</cost>
<source>SR5</source>
<page>181</page>
</accessory>
</accessories>
</chummer>

That should more or less sort it. I haven't actually tested it.
>>49703737
Not really. There's chips, which are favours that you owe to NPCs. Not a quality though.

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Hate to ask this since I've seen tons of people asking it while ctrl+fing the last bunch of threads; can some kind soul drop a link for anarchy? All the links my matrix search check pulled up were ded.

>>49705172
A little of both. The bank on Zurich Orbital exchanges constant data with banks on the ground. Plenty of the station's other systems, though, are wired-only with no external linkage. So it varies system by system, and it's basically the one place in the entire setting that you can be guaranteed is designed 100% with security in mind. Anywhere else is designed with affordability and profitability at least somewhat in mind, leaving glaring runner-exploitable flaws in security measures, but not Zurich Orbital.

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Is there any way to get a prehensile tail with a grasper/fine manipulator at the end?

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>>49706584
Unfortunately, no, you can't get more limbs that you started with using cyberwear. Trust me, I tried.

>>49705528
There were links given in the last threads
If they don't work wait till HateFish puts them into the mega/mediafire

>>49706584
Take a prehensile tail via changeling. Replace with cyber arm.

>>49704704
Elemental Attack is a Physical power, so it affects the material plane only, not the Astral. Dual-natured entities can target astral entities, but only with spells/powers that operate on the astral plane.

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>>49704811
>should I bother with the Whip Fighting martial art?

No.

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How useful would a dedicated sniper be to your average team of runners? I feel like making one, but I also don't want to fuck over the rest of my team.

>>49708273
It depends
My group has one, usually they are useful if you have open ground and lots of targets, though with AR targeting they should be able to shoot through walls just fine
Remember that Longarms include Shotguns, meaning that if someone gets close the sniper can defend themselves just fine
Since they need skills to get into position undetected they may also sideline into infiltrator

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>>49708273
Anyone with only one job is not very useful. Be a rigger with spotter drones who also snipes, or a decker who has sniper drones, or a samurai who focuses on Longarms.

>>49708273
>How useful would a dedicated sniper be to your average team of runners?
Somewhere between fuck and all. Dedicated nesting snipers are about as useful as hibernating bears when you're in a dense city, arcology, or just inside a corporate building - and that's most runs. Then there's the fact that runs don't often go perfectly to plan, and a sniper needs the target to pass their line of fire. Better to have a flying sniper drone rifle and rigger controller.

>>49708273
>How useful would a dedicated sniper be to your average team of runners?
Super useless. You'll be camped on a sniper's perch hundreds of meters away while your party's stuck inside a building where you don't have line of sight. Being a sniper is incompatible with running.

What you can do, though, is be a designated marksman. Someone with the Longarms skill who uses an auto-shotgun most of the time, but also has a sniper rifle for picking off distant targets. The sort of person who - if overwatch ever is useful - can climb into a perch and do it then without issue, but who's ready and able to go into buildings on foot instead.

Having a dedicated sniper is a bit like having a dedicated getaway driver - you're taking a member who could have been inside helping out, and putting them outside where the action isn't.

>>49708407
>>49708417
>>49708316
>>49708321
Yeah that's mostly what I thought. Thanks for the advice/warnings. Though, a getaway driver honestly seems more useful.

I was actually trying to think of ways to play with a gunslinger adept. It's only my second character though, and my first awakened one, so I'm still kind of unsure of what I'm doing.

>>49708465
The getaway driver is mostly useful if they are also a drone rigger, or a npc.

No one wants one of their party member's actions to mostly be "I wait in the car watching Neil the Barbarian."

>>49708465
>Though, a getaway driver honestly seems more useful.
A getaway driver is, at best, a quarter of a role. To be a getaway driver, you get Wired Reflexes, Reaction Enhancer, and a Control Rig. Then you get a fast car with plenty of seats (Hyundai Shin-Hyung with Extra Seating mod) and kit it out with a sniper rifle, armor, and plenty of autosofts.

Congrats! You're now a halfway-decent street samurai, with a car that can provide indirect sniper fire while you're indoors (so that the car isn't useless while you're inside) and even disable other vehicles with well-placed APDS shots, and once you leave the building you're a Reaction 10 dude with a Control Rig and a really fast car.

Fucking neato.

>>49708479
No one also wants to end up having to leg it back to the safehouse after raiding that arcology. I only said "more useful" in relation to a sniper.

>>49708490
Also, you could give THIS guy the Longarms skill and have him be well-equipped for sniping too.

Wasn't Dervish also a sniper? Because I remember him using Sniper Rifles and Shotguns in-story
You could take him as an example
not "Sniper who also is a Sammy" but "Sammy who also is a Sniper"

>>49708273
Depends on your job.
Most runs take place in places a sniper can't cover, like inside office buildings, underground tunnels, ect.

That being said, a person who has the option to snipe is a godsend.
I would reccomend taking the qualities Sharpshooter and Strive for Perfection, then carry around a sniper, a longarm, and a melee weapon.
That way, your sniping skill could make for some crazy stupid called-shots in close quarters, and you could still play sniper support when applicable.
Also, called shots apply to melee.

>>49697777
This

>>49708750
Also I'm sure a heavy enough sniper can pierce walls. If you get live vid feed from the actual people inside you might be able to hit the mage in the one place he didnt expect to be hit.

>>49708803
Kek.
This exact situation happened in my first run.
We hunkered down in a Neo-Panera Bread, installed cameras all over the place, and had our sniper line her gun up to a wall.
Her shot was so powerful, it pierced the wall, the glass doors, and took out both a mage and the engine block of his truck.

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Actually, what's the viability of gunslinger adepts overall? I realize I'm stepping into a serious unknown for myself and I kinda feel like I might accidentally just turn into a 3.5 monk if I'm not careful.

>>49708729
He was 'a guy capable of sniping,' not 'a sniper.'

>>49708803
For sure. Someone or something capable of placing AR markers where enemies are - like tagging enemies in stealth games - is a godsend for this reason. You still take the blindfire penalty (which a good shooter can easily eat) but at least you know which square to aim for.

>>49708908
Super viable. You take Improved Reflexes 3 (Because Initiative is that good), take the hit to Essence for Muscle Toner, implant a Smartlink in your eyes, and then spend any PP you have left on stuff like Astral Perception (Because Assensing is that good) and Improved Ability (Some Shooting Skill).

Adepts, especially Adepts willing to lose a bit of Essence to 'ware, are the hypothetical ideal dice pool guys. They're better at the raw, massive dice pool of any mundane skill than anyone else. Sometimes there's 'ware that counts for more than a raw dice pool does - like the Control Rig for driving - but in general, they're just fucking amazing at whatever.

They make by far the best hackers too.

I'm thinking about putting in a Steven Heck expy from Alpha protocol in my Shadowrun game http://lparchive.org/Alpha-Protocol/Update%2011/2-Email2.jpg

>>49708908
Extremely viable

Until you start trying to dual-wield, then it just turns okay.

Anyone have any good ideas for a Halloween inspired run?

>>49709713
Take a trip to Chicago, the Bug City.

>>49709713
>Anyone have any good ideas for a Halloween inspired run?
It's got to be something involving Halloweeners, shedim, blood shamans, and HMHVV all in a single run.

>>49709713
Have them all disguise as halloweeners.

Make them take a trip to the astral. Go to Asamando

Can I get some nice art for Buell Spartan bike ?

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>>49705179

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>>49710393
Pink is the new black.

>>49710506
Close enough. I'll also need some flames on it.

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>>49710592
Here you go.

>>49710610
Awesome! Simply Amazing!
How about a somehow sci-fi looking offroad bike now?

>>49708465
>Though, a getaway driver honestly seems more useful.
Speaking as a rigger, it is useful but only because I also have drones that can go inside buildings. Although some of them have some real issues with stairs.
>>49709713
Dorkula the ex-accountant vampire is trying to brainwash the local halloweener gang and use them to take over the slums cuz they think that's the kind of thing vampires are supposed to do. Go shoot them til they stop.

>playing low level game
>playing as a 10 year old shaman
>other party is likewise playing kids
>save one man who is playing an aged chromed up drug dealer
>he's our teams caretaker, hired by the gang we're a part of
>starts off cold, but time goes on, and the sessons pile up, warms up to us
>takes a shining to my character in paticular
>always making sure my character isn't overdoing magic or getting into too much trouble
>one day during a simple drop off job, a rival gang attacks
>tears us a new asshole, everyone starts to withdraw amid the bullets raining down
>my character tries to stall them with magic
>fuck up my soak not once but twice
>thanks edge
>older guy sees my character collapse, is on me in a second, cradling me in his arms and trying to run
>gets shot multiple times, even though he's bleeding, he constantly was telling my character that it was going to be fine
>a shotgun blast to the back tears him up
>he burns an edge to let him push beyond his limits and keep my character safe
>normally I don't think you can burn an edge like that, but GM I think was getting invested in it too so he allowed it
>still carrying my character, and by what I think is GM fiat, we escape into the sewer tunnels
>though we escaped, GM ruled that the wounds were too much
>he was bleeding out and had no more edge to burn
>he sat down near a drain pipe that lead out into the water near a port, said this was the end of the road for him and that I needed to swim to the docks
>my character had never swam before and said as much
>he laughed, coughing a bit, and said it came natural, he mentioned his daughter acted the same way back when he took her out to the ocean the first time
>his last words were how he would have liked my character and his daughter to have met, that they would have been thick as theives in no time
>he closes his eyes and slumps over

Jesus Christ, I was not expecting that to go down in what was a lighthearted game until now.

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>>49710801
Here's what I can find.

>>49711513
R.I.P Drugdad.

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>>49710801

Bikes?

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>>49711513
Tear inducing.

Great GM you have there.

Now the Guy should create the character of the Daughter that comes looking for her dad, only to learn he protected dying some stupid kids she now has to work with, for whatever reason.

Are Magician/Adept supposed to charge you 5 karma for the point of Magic you start off with in Chummer?

>>49711789
cute, would ride all weekend

>>49711983
the bike or the catboy?
Wait, don't say it
"why not both?".jpg

>>49712031
yes

>>49708321
The most annoying thing to me in shadow run is people who devote themselves to one thing.
I've mostly experienced this with adepts, but its happened with a mage or two. For example one adept I played with build the standard "I turn a guy into vapor just by punching them." And then the player constantly complains when we have role playing and mission planning sessions because there character by design brings NOTHING to the table. Yeah they can punch a guy into oblivion, but they won't be able to do shit in a job negotiation. Hell there was a mission we had where it was a car chase, all of us where having a great time, shooting out tires and tossing grenades out windows. The adept just had to sit there in the car doing nothing, because the player refused to use a gun, then nearly got themselves killed trying to jump from a moving vehicle to another one and wiffed.

>>49712048
See? Told you guys that the divination metamagic has its uses

>captcha: for sale stop
?
Does it mean I have to stop for there to be a sale? These Ad-AROs get more and more cryptic

>>49708908
Don't listen to
>>49709010
on the muscle toner. Dicepool-wise, it's technically better to get the 'toner, but you can honestly wait and pick it up as a power.

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>>49712100

Worst part is most of those kind of builds have more than enough AGI to pick up a few side roles, be it stealth, lockpicking, or even using throwing weapons if they're deadset on never using a gun.

Specializing = Good
Overspecializing = Bad

>>49712196
>pick it up as a power
wasn't it that PP wise the toner is actually the better choice?

Because you most likely mean the Improved Physical Attribute Power, right? Because if I see this correctly it costs 1PP per level, with you rolling MAG+rating
Assuming you have 6 Mag and rating 1 you roll 7 dice, averaging to 2.33 hits, meaning you usually raise your AGI by 2, sometimes more, sometimes less
If you take Muscle Toner at rating 4 that means that you have ALWAYS a +4 to your AGI, regardless of how well you roll
The muscle Toner costs 0.8 Essence, less if you take it at Alpha grade(0.64), this leaves you .2 Essence to the full Essence point, meaning that you can fill them and still only take -1 to your MAG. Enough to fit in a Smartlink

So you can either get
>Improved Physical Attribute for average +2 AGI, costing 1 PP
or
>ALWAYS +4 AGI AND a bonus on smartgun weapons, for the small cost of 1 essence point, meaning you go from 6 MAG to 5 MAG

>>49712248
My rule of thumb in character creation. Is choose two things you want your character to be good at and one to two things that you want to build your character to be good at.
For example lets say I make a elf mage
I want this elf to focus on being a face and to give them some stealth for survivability and utility.
The thing I want to build is magic. Give them a decent amount of magic, but not a lot of skills and spells.
That way while I have those two things they are good at I can focus using karma to build up there magical ability AND BAM you have character development.

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>>49712434

You're mixing up Attribute Boost and Improved Physical Attribute.

Attribute Boost only costs .25 PP per rank, and has you roll dice for a temporary boost dice pools of the associated skill (the RAW wording implies Attribute Boost AGI won't increase your movement rates, for example).

Improved Physical Attribute costs 1 PP per rank, and works just like Muscle Toner, where each rating raises your Attribute by 1 at all times.

So yeah, toner is absolutely more efficient than stacking multiple ranks of the Improved Physical Attribute. But if your GM is a stickler on upgrading 'ware, it'll be easier to upgrade in-play with the adept power.

>>49712434
You're looking at Attribute Boost, which is .25 pp a level and has you roll. Improved Physical Attribute is a flat +1 to attribute per level (and costs 1 pp per)

>>49712100
Whenever a player brings me a character, the first thing I ask is "What can they do before a fight? What can they do during a fight? What can they do after a fight?"
If you don't have an answer for at least two of those questions you're in trouble.

>>49712566
>>49712578
Whoops
Still, with Attribute Boost you get a DP of MAG+rating meaning in this example a DP of 9, average 3
with muscle toner you get +4 on the attribute, increase in limit and accuracy and if you want a +1 dpm

Seems to me that it's the better option

>>49712583
I would agree with you...in some cases. However I would make some exceptions as well. For example one of the most interesting characters I played with was someone who a blank slate. All of his skills involved combat, guns, and survival. However the player devoted almost every once of karma he gained to social skill's, charisma, and knowledge. Because he wanted to roleplay someone adjusting to being around people.

>>49712731
Survival would then be the thing he can before or after combat, to ensure his team stays safe in hostile territories.

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Because I can't find anything online regarding the subject, what tests and skills would be required to "joust" a target on a motorcycle?
For clarification:
>Target is in the open on foot, possibly shooting at you
>While on the motorcyle, you lower your lance into a braced position
>You then run the target through, perhaps pushing him farther down the lance or even flinging him off with your speed.
It's a crazy concept I have never seen anyone try.

Alternatively, what bike mods are required for this? Definitely armor and a gyroscope, but a weapon mount seems too extreme for what is essentially a clamp on the side of your bike.

>>49712995

Gecko grip on the haft of the lance - that's what I saw someone do with a similar concept.

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>>49712995

You're looking for the Passenger/Pilot Vehicle Action called Melee Attack.

Page 179 of Rigger 5.0

Polearms and spears fall under the Blades skill in Shadowrun 5e, and I would assume lances would as well.

>>49713086
Would i take damage if I succeed the strength test, but only because of the gecko grip? Or am I overthinking this? As unlike hitting something, I am piercing through something.

Also, it says that it would add the speed of the attack to the damage, is it a flat bonus (6 speed = 6 extra damage)?

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>>49713165

Gecko Grip would give you +6 dice on the Strength test to hold onto your lance. You won't take damage.

Yes, it's a flat bonus. A Dodge Scoot traveling at 3 Speed would add 3 to the damage value of your attack.

If you were using the standard core book Polearm to represent your lance, you'd be doing (STR + Speed + 3)P damage.

>>49708729
Skilled in long-arms =/= sniper.
>>49711969
Generally no, but there are some edge cases that would do it. Show me the character file.

>>49713456
I was building a NPC and turned off the normal chargen rules. Would that do it?

>>49713456
>Skilled in long-arms =/= sniper
then I'm using a different definition of sniper than you guys
could you tell me yours so I can compare?
Because for me a sniper is someone who uses a sniper rifle and provides overwatch

>shadowrun
>ever
medium jej

>>49713570
I know this is bait, but honestly:
What's the alternative?

>>49713625
Cyberpunk 2020
GURPS
d20 modern...

Okay, honestly, just Cyberpunk 2020.

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>>49713570
See image.

>>49713475
Dervish wasn't much of a "I'm gonna hang out on this roof with my rifle" kinda guy, from what I recall.

I think "sniper" has the connotation of being perched far from the action, which isn't necessarily the best place to be during a interior break-in or similar mission where overwatch is going to be blocked by lots and lots of walls.

Thus the distinction between "sniper" and "guy who can use a sniper rifle." Being a designated marksman using longarms is really strong in 5e since sniper rifles do shitloads of damage.

I guess "a sniper" might imply that sniping is all they do, while "can snipe" implies that someone is more well-rounded.

>>49713640
Cyberpunk purist
Literal hypocrisy
Please cease and desist

>>49713640
>Cyberpunk 2020
which has a player base of what
3? 5? maybe 10?

>>49713710
Can't you just use other means to map the positions of enemies in bad terrain and just shoot through walls?

To be fair, having a rigger with a smart firing platform and a sniper rifle outside is more bang for more buck

>>49713721
>people don't play it
>so I'm not going to play it!!!
ok lad

>>49713713
explain. Also, no

>>49713640
CP 2020 is an exceptionally shitty an clunky system.
Enjoy rolling dice for every bullet in the salvo and the systems equivalent of Essence loss being also chosen by dice.

80s shit tier memesystem.

>>49713570
I'll do a shadowrun up your butt in a minute you keep this up, asshole.

>>49713744
>>49713721
>>49713713
It amazes me that people still reply to the CP2020man

>>49713745
thanks bby don't forget the ultraglide industrial lube

>>49713744
your point:
>lots of dice rolling
>WAAAAAA SHIT TIER MEMESYSTEM
ok buddy go play Amber Diceless or something if that's your only criterion, ya autist

>>49713776
There's another CP2020 guy? Sweet, I should see if he's got a game going.

>>49713743
>people don't play it
>so I'm not going to play it!!!
well, yeah?
If there are no other players what are you gonna do? Play a solo Solo?

>>49713776
CP2020man? never heard of him before
long time shitposter who went on hiatus or mostly in other threads?

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Is pic related still relevant in Shadowrun?

>>49713800
You know, if you played it, there would be more players. It's kinda like crying that no one votes for third-party parties, so you won't. Collective action problems and all that. As for the other Cp2020 guy, no idea, hope he gets in touch, though.

>>49713800
There's one or two other guys who like CP2020 here on /tg/ but come to think of it, I think the guy who used to post about it in this thread liked both CP and SR and also didn't shitpost for the sake of shitposting. I don't really know. Liking CP2020 is such an unusual trait that I kind of assume that they must all be the same person.

>>49713806
depends on the spell
most spells are person based so you only damage one person, though many spells have Area versions.

>>49713823
>You know, if you played it, there would be more players
bootstrapping problem
Many don't play because there are no players
There are no players because many don't play

these problems usually need an external solution
maybe the 2077 version that's supposed to be created parallel to the vidya? Using the vidya as a springboard it might make the RPG popular. even though I won't play it I hope that it helps the playerbase for your sake, might get some people interested in your system

>>49713889
Thanks.

>>49713868
>didn't shitpost
What was he doing on 4chan, then?

>>49713868
>Likes SR and 2020
Shit I'm famous

>>49713948
Do you play characters named as David Bowie tributes? If so, I think I know you.

>>49713962
Never once have I done that, so I guess there's two people who like 2020 and SR.

WE'RE MULTIPLYING

>>49713991
Three now.

>>49713475
Thing is, in most cases 'overwatch' is moderately useless. It's heavily dependent on people entering your field of view, or GM fiat shenanigans allowing you to accurately shoot through walls. The moment your crew does something on the other side of the building you're watching, or moves outside of your range, your position becomes useless.
>>49713465
Hrm, it shouldn't. I'd need to see the file to see where it's going wrong.

>>49714002
>Three now.

>>49713721
>which has a player base of what
>3?
I TOLD YOU GAIZ, BUT YOU WOULDN LISTEN

jk

>>49713868
Don't worry, if CD:PR ever release the 2077, the TTRPG is gonna explode in popularity. It'll probably out compete Shadowrun for a little bit even.

>>49714032
>GM fiat shenanigans allowing you to accurately shoot through walls
2 words
Radar
Sensor

>>49714053
If they release a 700 page mammoth book ala CGL, they're not making a dent in the market

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>>49713741

For small buildings, sure. But enough layers of wall will stop your APDS.

And since every section of wall reduces your DV by 1, you'll always be doing less damage than you would by actually being on the front line.

>>49714164
Just use ramming rules to make it through a wall

+1 DV per

>>49714032
Is there are any way to make chummer's font bigger in higher resolution screens?

>>49714527
zoom in

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>>49714132
>20 metre radius
>Requires a simple action by the person with the headware to interpret it into vague shapes
>Requires either another simple action by the radar guy to send the data to you via Send Message (Better hope the target doesn't move!), or both of you have a pi-Tac or some other kind of open wireless connection to stream the data to you, in which case lolspiders
>Each intervening object reduces the DV by 1
>If the net DV ever drops below the armour rating of the object, the shot is completely stopped
>>49714184
Wut?
>>49714527
Not really; I use it at 3440x1440 without any real problems, but I have weird eyes. It's on the docket to be looked at, but it's probably not going to happen unless/until we switch the codebase to use WPF instead, which would allow us to easily do stuff like font resizing and theming.

>>49715212
Yekka, reading this made me realize
You are talking
>5e and
>radar sensor DEVICE
right?
because I was talking 4e and the radar sensor Cyberware

for that your range was 100m, you only need a perception test to find stuff and you send the waves out yourself
bullets have the DV reduced by rolling [armor of the wall-AP] and deducing the net hits from your DV

Sorry if I didn't make that clear

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>>49714153
I'm 90% certain they're going to end up shoving out some more narrative system with about as much crunch as D&D 5e. Shadowrun stays a complex mess because they keep inheriting it, and when they try to simplify things (like the Matrix) it mostly doesn't work.

Pondsmith hasn't done much ttrpg in the past two decades, aside from Dragonball (which was a crappy game) CP2020 3.0 (which was a really crappy game) and Mekton Zero 2015, which is less autism than previous editions. Whatever team does the heavy lifting in design (Pondsmith himself admitted in the Mekton kickstarter that he doesn't design much anymore, which is partly why it took so long to make, as he wanted it to be more modern but he doesn't have any experience doing it) will likely make it much lighter than Interface or Fuzion.

>>49715373
Well sure, I never refer to defunct editions unless it's specifically to reference old content. The sensor in Chrome Flesh is cyberware though.

>>49716178
>defunct editions
yekka, I was talking 4e not 5e

>>49716221
>>49716178

Don't start this shit

>>49716221
>autism
k y s

Oh hey, looks like some non-useless errata made it through the process.

Fading Value Changes for Complex Forms (P. 252-3, Resonance Library) The Fading Values for complex forms should be updated as follows. Note that the minimum Fading Value for a complex form is 2 (Threading, p. 251).
Cleaner: L–2
Diffusion of [Matrix Attribute]: L–2
Editor: L–1
Infusion of [Matrix Attribute]: L–2
Static Veil: L–3
Pulse Storm: L–3
Puppeteer: L+1
Resonance Channel: L–3
Resonance Spike: L–3
Resonance Veil: L–3
Static Bomb: L–1
Stitches: L–3
Tattletale: L–3
Derezz: L–1
FAQ: L–3
IC Tray: L–3
Redundancy: L–3
Misread Marks: L–1

>>49716743
What's this from?

>>49716815
Errata threads on the official forums.

>>49712196
>Dicepool-wise, it's technically better to get the 'toner, but you can honestly wait and pick it up as a power.
The problem is that the Improved Attribute power is grotesquely overpriced. It costs the equivalent of 4 Magic/Essence in order to get Rating 4 of Improved Attribute.

On the other hand, even fucking Used Muscle Toner 4 only costs a Magic/Essence equivalent of 1.

That's right, Improved Attribute is literally four times as Magic-expensive as Used Muscle Toner.

You'd have to be a literal retard to go the Improved Attribute route.

>>49716907
In.universe, putting 'ware inside yourself is something only literally suicidal retards do. Even discounting the myriad risks from the seller to the operating table, your body will eventually reject the fuck out of it and kill you. Unless it becomes cancer and kills you.

Or it'll drive you insane, as your soul slowly grinds against the ware that shouldn't be there, and bleeds into the astral, like someone poisoned with powdered diamonds.

>>49716958
Nice fanfiction.

>>49716958
Since fecking when?

>>49717037
Since never, this anon is talking out of his ass

>>49716958
Go back to Amazonia hippie.

On a more normal note, which is your favorite corp of the AAAs, either to work for, use as bad guys, or just flavor wise?

>>49716958
This is true in universe, in the sense that this exact post might be made by a fringe essence-purity activists, who are thought of about the same way we think of vegans.

Any feedback on the Technomancer errata, chummers?

>>49717139
Wuxing, because fucking with people's feng shui was never this literal

>>49717166
>Any feedback on the Technomancer errata, chummers?
Are technomancers going to have any way of mimicking the effects of psychotropic IC? I just occurred to me earlier today that the ability to literally hack someone's brain if they have a DNI is more or less perfect Technomancer material.

>>49717237
>Any feedback on the Technoman
Would also go a long way to explaining why people think they are super dangerous.

>>49717287
>>49717237
>>49717237
Not commenting on the book. NDA, sorry. I'm only taking feedback on the errata for Technomancer rules in the core rulebook and Data Trails. It's on the forum.

The errata was originally done by me and the other authors of the TM book, then given to Patrick Goodman and the Errata team to make sure it's balanced and such.

The goal with this was to create a working "vanilla" technomancer ruleset, in case the technomancer book sucks, or you don't want to buy it, or whatever, then you still have some working technomancer rules in the form of the errata'd core and Data Trails. Secondary goal was to make a solid foundation (ha, pun) to finish the book from.

So, feedback? Anyone?

I also thought a while about why people think TMs are so dangerous and there's a solution to that in the book as well

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>>49717139
>Work for
Ares, had a couple of missions where we went on co-ops with the Black Knights. Operators operating operationally.
>Baddies
Saeder-Krupp, because everything links back to our homeboy Big L, and seeing as "never cut a deal with a dragon" is one of the core Tennants of shadowrun, it should see more play.
>Flavor
Horizon, nobody ever uses them, but could you imagine if Neo-Hollywood had a hit on you? That would be fun as fuck.
>Honorable mentions
Stoddard Sec, because crazy Neo-Nazis make everything better.

>>49717318
I appreciate lowering the obnoxious cost of using complex forms, but that doesn't completely change the playing field that makes them see little use.

Lots of them are still super unclear, to the point your GM has more to say about what they do than the text itself (resonance veil, for one). I think those need their errata before the book can add new ones.

Also, it's still very silly that Technomancers get 5 complex forms at A priority, while Mages get 10. Shameful, really. There's no reason for it. Same with Mages getting to pick from more skill groups.

>>49717318
Got one TM in my group, I'll try to get him to take a look, he's way clearer on the complex form costs than I am. Can probably work a playtest in this week.

Friends and I wanna start Shadowrun. What edition is a good start? Is 5th ok?

So how does Banishing work on spirits that don't have a summoner? Street Grimoire has Free Spirits having their unspent edge depleted instead of service and temporarily going back to their metaplane when that's exhausted. Does the same thing work on Wraiths or Insect Spirits or whatever?

>>49717743
Yes, 5e is the best, purely because of Chummer. Get it, use it, and rejoice that you never have to deal with chargen bullshit on your own. Avoid AIs and technomancers like the plague.

>>49717743
Yeah, I like 5th a lot and it's well supported online since it's the current version. More people to answer your inevitable questions.

>>49717743
5e is solid enough to start on if you like some crunch. If you like more narrative driven stuff, check out the Anarchy book.

>>49717758
>>49717772

Alright, 5th it is then. Though I'm rather okay with a game getting crunchy (I've heard Shadowrun has a lot of crunch unless I'm mistaken?) but I worry some of my friends might be too overwhelmed by it. (I finally got them to TTRPG with DnD 5e and they're now itching for a lot of tabletops now so you can see where the "rules-lite" is coming from) I'm aiming to GM this, for the record.

>>49717780
AVAUNT, shill.

>>49717753
I can't find confirmation for either, but I would rule that both can be banished.

>>49717795
Everything essentially comes down to this: You have dicepools. You roll Xd6, and if one d6 comes up 5 or 6 it's a success. For an opposed test, the other guy does the same thing with his dicepool, and you hope you get more successes. For a threshold, you want successes equal to or greater than the threshold.

Bonuses and penalties apply to the number of dice to roll. "Net hits" means how many successes you got minus how many you needed, if you succeeded.

The rest essentially boils down to knowing what to roll when and what modifiers you get. As the GM, read the rules sections of the core book a few times and don't be afraid to ask the thread about stuff. Chummer will often tell you what to roll for a skill or whatever if you hover over it, too.

>>49717804
Thanks. Yeah I was thinking this looked like another one of those oversights where there was no official rule and you had to read between the lines, but I wanted to see if anyone knew anything.

>>49706689
Oh shit, links last thread or so? I'm not blind and totally saw that.

In all seriousness, ten minutes until it's on the trove.

Good qualities or martial arts for combat-oriented blade adepts?

>>49719736

Blades 6.

On talk of snipers drilling through walls we had a shitty run in which we struck into office held by Triads in LA. After securing their asset inside the office building the Triads alerted by our traitor Johnson surrounded the building and cut our retreat off. We decided to fight and wait as our fixer was handling outside support.

Plan was simple, decker hacks into CCTV system and provides overwatch and defends from Matrix stuff. While rest of us are coordinated by him to good positions around the office. When the Triads tried to get in our decker by using CCTVs marked enemy locations on our AR goggles. Practically we had wallhacks.

This lead to our bruiser adept literally punching people through walls and pulling them to his side. My driver rigger just used his Ares Alpha to drill through cubicles and launch grenades at the lift.

Heavy lifting was done by our Barret Model 122 using sammy. He just shot through thin office walls and nailed Triad after Triad.

In ensuing fight we killed 23 Triads and wounded 48. At that point our fixer managed to arrange a ceasefire with clause that we need to deliver the Johnson to Triads in 24 hours or Triads kill our fixer. With ample 11 hours remaning Johnson was given to Triads and we quietly left LA for new adventures

>>49719736
You could take Kenjutsu/Wudang Sword for Iaijutsu, or take an One trick pony to get Iaijutsu and Fiore dei Liberi for the two weapon attack to up your damage.

Can Free Spirits practice law if they get a degree? I had the idea for him to be a contact for my face mage.

>>49720109
Nothing preventing them to get a degree if they want.

>>49720124

Cool. I Was just doublechecking in case there was any weird anti free spirit laws flitting around that I never noticed.

For a phys adept should I get an extra point in muscle toner (to take it to 3), platelet factory or some orthoskin with the last essence points I have to spare?

I am thinking of going pistol face adept elf. What pistol should I get for him and should I forgoe smartlink in eyes for pheromones?

>>49713777
I don't mind rolling dice, I mind rolling dice in cases where its highly retarded and impractical.

And rolling a zone die for every single Bullet of each Burst is turboretarded, you sperglord. One of the reason why nobody plays this system anymore.

>>49720252
The Predator is to some degree the iconic Shadowrun pistol.

I imagine "buy a Predator" would be Jackpoint's version of "sks, innawoods"

>>49720252

For adepts I like the Colt Government. Its not as heavy hitting as say, a Guardian (what is?) but it has more accuracy, and at a certain point you're rolling enough dice as an adept that its smarter to be more accurate than to have an extra point of damage.

>>49720273
I don't think people in Shadowrun threads get to give other systems shit about excessive dicerolling.

>>49720076
>>49719736
Kunst Des Fechtens: Half-Sword & Rapid Draw. (0.5PP)

>>49720124
Not being able to read hardcopies or use the matrix is usually an impediment.

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New Chummer release build, for those of you that don't like nightlies.

Changelog is too long, so go look at it yourselves.

https://github.com/chummer5a/chummer5a/releases/tag/5.185.0

>>49720719
It does, certainly, but not to the point it'd make it impossible for a Spirit to get a degree if they really wanted to.

>>49721229
>Things that exist only on the material plane can be seen and heard from the astral, but they are blurred and muted as the emotional context of people and things registers more than physical properties of light and sound

>When materialized, the spirit is able to perceive the physical world much as other material beings do.

They need to be summoned to the physical plane before any of it is possible, then one can begin to consider exactly how alien a spirit's thought processes are, and how static their mental state is. Remember, this is a world where change comes through karma, and spirits have no natural karma - it's all gained through dealing with summoners.

>>49721535
We're speaking of a free spirit here. One that has decided to stick around for whatever unfapthomable reason.

>>49720109
>Can Free Spirits practice law if they get a degree?
Sure, as long as they're in a nation that grants free spirits a SIN.

>>49720208
Hold off on Muscle Toner until you can afford Muscle Toner 4 in-game. Platelet Factories are always a good choice, though.

>>49721863
The nature of karma remains the same.

>>49721535
Buttercup begs to disagree

>>49722354
With what? Because if you mean the karma thing, you're wrong and retarded.

>>49722099
Yeah, that's why AIs can't mechanically increase their stats

Oh wait

>>49722477
AI are closer to humans than spirits are.

>>49722528
Even if they are, that doesn't preclude spirits from treating Karma as the game abstraction it is

And they fucking aren't, so who cares

>>49722099
A free spirit must negotiate to earn Karma from mortals; but there's nothing preventing them to spend whatever karma they earn toward learning skills.

Are grenades an acceptable ranged option for a mostlymelee character?

I cant think of what gun a cyberknight would use besides a minigun, which i cannot have.

>>49722477
AIs don't have karma. They have "I can't believe it's not karma" or whatever you want to call it - 99% of the taste of real karma, completely useless for spirits. This is explicitly spelled out.

>>49722803
Of course not - the question is whether they want to spend that hard earned resource on something frivolous like a legalese knowledge skill.

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>>49722811
Do you have high STR and good AGI, whether due to being an Ork/Troll or STR based adept? If yes then maybe Bows are for you, see pic related

Grenades are a tricky thing
On one hand they are very useful, whether for clearing rooms/hallways, obscuring sight, marking places and creating openings
On the other hand is the risk of going overboard with them. Your GM might find that if you cheese through every encounter by spamming 'nades then he may do the same
If you want to use grenades, talk to your gm beforehand and agree to a reasonable use of 'em

>>49722811
Make sure that you have flashbangs and flashpaks and not just explosives. That gives you more options for non-lethal combat.

Also get throwing knives or shuriken. It may not be perfect but it's better than nothing when you need to take out someone quietly and harder to detect than most weapons.

>>49722946
>>49722999
A bow is a bit much i think, butmaybe throwing in general is right up my alley.

Mostly grenades if i can

>>49722946
>Grenades are so broken you have to talk to your GM about them before using them
Hot diggity damn

>>49723373
first of all: Yeah, they are super powerful in the right environment, like tunnels, hallways and other tight spaces due to chunky salsa, meaning
>the wave hits you
>travels through you to the walls
>gets reflected
>hits you AGAIN
>travels to the next wall
>etc.
IIRC you can take out a heavy armored tank with just one grenade due to the space between tank and ground

Second: It depends on how much you use them
if you use them occasionally for clearing rooms, obscuring enemy vision and maybe using them as makeshift explosives it should be fine. But if you are constantly using them to avoid all danger and risk then your GM might be pissed after a while
and do the same to you
entering a room and having 3 grenades land next to you is almost a guaranteed kill
which is why you should talk to your GM about that and agree on a code like "We will not spam grenades whenever there are enemies and in turn you won't do the same to us"

>>49723619
>IIRC you can take out a heavy armored tank with just one grenade due to the space between tank and ground
Hey, someone remembers my bullshit rant!

Yeah, a frag grenade can absolutely DESTROY an M1A1 Abrams tank (Something like 90 damage compared to its 15 Armour and 22 Body) if you throw it underneath the vehicle.

A $15 grenade destroying a 5 million dollar tank. What a concept.

>>49723619
So, has no one tried making grenades not insanely overpowered in said enviroments so one can use them without fear of GM reprisal?

>>49723750
well, you could remove the rebounding of the shockwave, even though I don't know if that's such a good idea

Or you could just not spam them.
There's a continuum between
>"use even one grenade and you are SO DEAD" and
>"corpsec chasing us? Grenade. Grunts meeting in a room? Grenade. Lone KE soldier in a field? Oh you better berieve that's a grenade" Looking at you, "Seven-7"-anon
if you don't spam them your GM should be fine with it

>WAR! stats the smallest nuclear weapon (Presumably 0.01kt) as 130P, with -6/m damage loss
Jesus Shadowrun that's pretty fucking optimistic.

>>49723855
The issue is that grenades are actually used all the time in ream life, because they're great for room clearing and what have you. Whenever there is a room full of people you want dead, you SHOULD use a grenade, because that's what does the job with little to no danger to you.

>>49723912
>ream life
Fucking shoot me, I mean't REAL life.

>>49723912
>used all the time in ream life
of course it is realistic
but realistic =/= fun, at least not always
neither for the GM, who can just throw away all his enemy stats, they're going to die immediately anyway
neither for the players, because it is FUCKING BORING

>>49723750
Don't use anything but walls for rebounding surfaces. Flashbangs / stun damage doesn't rebound. Anything else?

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>>49724020
I would suggest just redoing a bit of the grenade rules. I've posted it before, but taking a cue from T2k13 could make grenades still the freshmaker for room clearing, but no where near as overpowered in hallways and under tanks.

>>49723888
Don't get into realistic nuclear explosion results in Shadowrun. The sixth world is explicitly not going to play ball.

>>49724117
Apparently low yield weapons work perfectly fine, for whatever reason.

>>49724125
Got a quote or reference? Because everything I've read has can be paraphrased with, "It might work, but it's not predictable as to how well."

>>49724159
>The gamemaster is encouraged to decide for herself when and where nuclear weapons detonate as designed, with the general guideline that the smaller the nuke, the more reliable it is

Okay, I may be taking too much of an inference from that, but the book also mentions the use of tactical nuclear weapons being semi common in the war (Or again, at least implies it), so I would think that small yield tactical weapons are exempt from anti-nuke plot devices.

>>49724110
See, from my perspective this solves only one of the problem of grenades
As I see it there are two areas that need help
>Power
and
>Frequency

Your pic solves the power problem. they aren't too overpowered anymore, though you'd need a LOT of work to convert from DV+Fall-off to something similar to Radius+Frag

The other problem is frequency. If you often use grenades, why shouldn't your opposition. If you can use grenades to kill/severely weaken everyone in a room, why shouldn't your enemies do the same? they usually have the better stuff anyway. In that case it gets down to "Who can notice and react faster?", whoever is faster/sees you earlier has practically already won the fight. Imagine that:
You entered the compound, your legwork seems good. You enter one of the rooms and suddenly you hear something fall next to you. You turn around and before you can react you are hit by the explosion. You are then either dead or severely damaged, so that the corpsec has an easy time finishing you off. GG make a new character.

I honestly don't see a solution except for the players and GM to agree to restrict themselves

>>49724336
>In that case it gets down to "Who can notice and react faster?"
No, it turns in to "Who can get in the better tactical position and not leave themselves open to grenades and other such ambushes." It requires one to be a lot more cautious and deliberate with their positioning, recon, and retreat plans.

Also, corporate security is not going to throw grenades around willy nilly, because that's property damage. They wouldn't even have grenades. That would be reserved for designated combat teams.

Anyways, I'll do some conversion writing and toss the stuff in to a pastebin.

>>49697191
is programming useful for a secondary hacker

>>49724223
It's not just direct "anti-nuke" effects to consider. IIRC the Chicago nuke was unexpectedly smaller in blast radius.

>>49717166
Going down the list and referencing the ones I know less, here's my item by item opinion.

Cleaner was already nice at it's old Fading, but this one gives you a reason to thread it at something other than level 1 (edged or otherwise). Whistle up a low level sprite, register it, and then you can be working on two or three instances at once (effectively).

Diffusion of [Att]'s cost means that you might see use of ones other than Firewall (generally useful) and Data Processing (resists almost all of the non-Firewall checking Forms thus far) but those two will still be king.

Editor has a great price unless you were to end up at the table of somebody who says it's exactly like Edit File. You still probably want Skinlink for use with this one, but that's a different thing entirely.

Infusion of [Attribute]: ah, it's actually better than the spell it's most compared to. I mostly kid, but being statistically likely to boost anything short of Elf Techo max Attack or Dwarf max Firewall without hitting yourself with an extra penalty is nice. Also raises the range of deck stuff you can consider raising.

Static Veil. Well, huh. The decrease is nice, but unless you thought there was going to be an enemy (or Prank Warrior) techno around you already wanted to go for 2. This just lets you insure yourself some by going higher in those cases, for no additional cost when it's necessary.

Pulse Storm. This guy was nasty, but hard to justify with the old cost. Being able to get an okay limit without eating 5 or 6 fading makes it kinda useful, even if it's likely to be hitting against two big numbers.

Puppeteer was the definition of having edge as a part of the fading cost and was strong enough that I didn't completely mind. Being able to pull out a low level one just to risk stuff or be extra sneaky is lovely.

Resonance Channel's lowered cost is kinda meh, because distance noise tends towards the extremes. cont....

>>49724374
>It requires one to be a lot more cautious and deliberate with their positioning, recon, and retreat plans.
See, this might be fitting if you play some Vantablack Trenchcoat games, where you have to have studied combat tactics for a few year to survive some runs
but most people just want to focus not only on the planning but also on action
and for those it quickly gets bad if they are immediately swarmed by grenades

Also, I said Grenades, not necessarily Frag or HE
Even if they throw three stun grenades you are still mostly done unless you have specialized defenses against it
and I can imagine that a guard has a Stun Grenade, just in case of groups

Still: Thanks for trying to make the conversion. It might help some chummer out when running the game

>>49724508
Wasn't that because it went off inside the barrier the insect spirits erected?

>>49717166
And if you're far enough away that it matters, you're probably doing things the hard way.

Resonance Spike. I would want to see that in use before deciding how strong it is now. The benefits now definitely outweigh the Fading.

Resonance Veil is now much stronger even for a less permissive GM, because you can more reliably land it.

Static Bomb. The lowering makes it into less of a real emergency, use Edge kinda Form. You'd still probably want to use Edge for the extra assurance, but it's no longer a case of definitely go for breaking the limit.

Stitches just got a bit faster in a way.

Tattletale is still pretty narrow in when you'd be able to use it, but at least it's a bit more affordable now.

Derezz is now a nice attack form because you might want to use it. You might even see use for both it and Spike, but probably not.

FAQ's new cost means that now you can buy a nice dice bonus instead of breaking the limit with Edge.

IC Tray's not much more useful, but when you can use it, the benefit's nice.

Redundancy being able to turn one shots into two shots was nice, but never quite worth it. At least now you can swing higher and even if you don't get it, hopefully make a more regular difference.

Misread Marks is now something you might use in non-emergency situations. You may still use it the same way, but having it more available is nice.

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so my players consist of
>a thieving traitorous mage from "Chiraq"
>a country boy techno from the Nippon
>a smoothing talking hacker with a hate-on for Aztechnology
>and a player who hasn't made a character yet but will probably but some sort of gun slinger from the NAN.

whats a good way to start them off other than food fight?

pic related. its the mage and the techno

>>49725148
Why would you NOT use food fight?

>>49725203
two of them played it before
>mfw captcha shows me food.

>>49725148
Some other runner's job encounters bad complications near the group. They now have the paydata/prototype/other easily taken and hidden thing, and have to decide quickly what to do with it.

They could turn it in to the original Mr. Johnson, but that'll definitely get 'em enemies (and the Johson's only willing to pay part because it's late or something).

They could get to a specalized fixer that they normally don't deal with, because the guy's way out and only meets in face. That'll get the complications that got the group the package after them.

Or they can return to a member of the original owning organization who put out a few shadowy feelers to try and get the thing back, fast. This should get both the original runners on 'em, and the original complication, but the good is that eveyone's fighting everyone else, so if they can make it, there's an easy run out to be had. Probably not the best rep-wise, though, but might carry extra pay or some other favors.

Oh, and make sure that both the original runners and original complication 'know' that the group has the stuff, so that they can't just leave it.

>>49724636
http://pastebin.com/ThtX39pB Is that convoluted enough? Tell me any fuckeries I have in there before I start actually re-statting stuff.

>>49725251
>two of them played it before
and?
Food fight isn't supposed to be some complicated module where you are thrown into a place of intrigue and shadow wars and have to meticulously figure out what is going on
It's meant as an introduction, a quick way of
>showing the setting
>familiarizing the players with the system and
>getting them in contact with a fixer or some other source of work
two of them knowing it isn't bad
in fact: It's great! They know what is going on, they can get the others on the right path if they can't
at the end of it you have to ask: Do they know what the setting is? Can they use their role, even at a basic level? Do they have somewhere they can go for shadow work?
If you get all three as yes: Yay, you did it

>>49725304
Seems good, though someone else should also check it in case I overlooked something

>captcha: Road Place
Streets?

>>49725400
Doesn't 5e's foodfight have a whole backstory to it and stuff?

In SR4 all spirits had resistance to regular weapons, is that still the case in SR5?

>>49725464
You mean the (inferior) Fast Food Fight?
Why the fuck are you playing that and not the superior Food Fight 5.0?
>>49725487
Yup

>>49725504
>Yup
What page? Core rulebook I presume. GM is being paranoid.

>>49725464
About as much as the other edition food fights did (unless you're talking about Fast Food Fight aka Food Fight 5.0, that's a whole different thing).

>>49725487
Any spirit that materializes gains Immunity to Normal Weapons through the Materialization power. It gives them Hardened Armor equal to twice their essence.

So it can be a bit nasty.

>>49725528
398 in the text for the Materialization power. If the spirit has an Allergy weakness, then the Immunity doesn't cover it.

So have a back-up flamethrower and water gun for those water and fire spirits.

>>49725528
CRB p398 "Materialization"
>Additionally, they gain Immunity to Normal Weapons while materialized
p397 "Immunity"
>Effectively, the critter has a Hardened Armor rating equal to twice its Essence against that particular kind of damage

>captcha: Kalea and Brackenwood
Who?

>>49725596
>>49725603
Thanks. And everyone was calling me paranoid for trying to stock up with HE grenades when about to go to some fucking Unga Bunga Abracadabra island...

>>49725636
>Unga Bunga Abracadabra island
where?

>>49725636
Honestly, Stick-n-Shock's a bit better for spirits, because, as a whole, they have a few less boxes of stun track than physical track.

At least until you get to the ones where you want ADPS or the like, so that you can get max AP out of your weapon.

>>49725647
Just popped up close to Seattle. It's a pregen adventure.

Ideas for the next thread?

>captcha: rottweiler S100
Biodrone Edition?
HousePet editon?
Bull(shit) edition?

>>49725603
What defines something as a "Normal Weapon"

>>49726440
IIRC it was any weapon not magical or elemental, though I don't have a quote on that

>>49726440
Not being magic. The power specifies what does count as NOT a normal weapon, so everything else counts as normal. Weapon foci, dual-natured shit, anyone with Killing Hands, any other effect that specifies it counts as magic and lets you fuck spirits up.

Any special vulnerability they have bypasses their immunity, and electrical damage is still good for fucking spirits up.

>>49726677
>electrical damage is still good for fucking spirits up.
How so?

>>49726677
Most sources of it come with good AP which makes it doubly effective in getting past Hardened Armor.

And they still take the init hit if they take damage.

So how quickly would a Trog Lives Matter movement get put down. Does KE and Lone Star have Carte Blance in gunning down Orcs and Troll when they trog out afrer a case of police brutality?

Are there any decent rules for tracking police awareness? Like how many fuck-ups should I allow before the PCs wake up covered in a HTR team? Or perhaps some weird tracking test I make for a detective NPC assigned to their case.

>>49726318
Blacklodgedid911 Edition.

>>49727100
General conspiracies or more magically focused?

>>49726983
The UCAS' government isn't nearly repressive enough to do anything effective about something like that.

Trog concentration camps when?

>>49726915
Initiative and AP, generally.

>>49727142
Like, a while ago?

>>49727125
I think in shadowrun magic is a part of all conspiracies.

>>49727025
What I do, is that I create a dicepool based on what happened during the session and roll it, and if I get 10 successes, I increase their public awareness, which I add to dice pools to track them.

Camera footage would be 1 dice per 5 minutes on footage. Instantly add 10 dice if the players faces are visible.

For Survivors/Civilians I roll memory checks and add a dice for each successful one.

Mages can send spirits to track people through astral, or can even track people themselves with astral overwatch. Have mages/spirits follow them around, but only for a certain amount of time. I add dice depending on how much they've seen.

Track marks. Seriously. Mark the deckers shit, and use that to track his ass. There really isn't any dicepool needed for this; if the decker doesn't turn off his gear after a couple of minutes, his Overwatch score will be through the fucking roof. Cops would be on their way very shortly.

Or, just have people follow them. If they don't pay attention enough during escapes, you can literally have cars just tail them from their mission to wherever they are going.