Do you like flails /tg/?

Name ONE tg-relevant flail user.

>>49684493
Witchking of Angmar

>>49684541
Okay, fine, name five /tg/ relevant flail users, one from a book, one from a movie, one from a video game, one from a DnD adventure and one from a /tg/ greentext.
Pro-tip, you can't. Flails suck.

>>49684571
BTFO'd right out of the front gate.

>>49684541
go back to /lit/ or /tv/

>>49684389
Flails are ahistorical. Find me an image or document describing their use in actual war.

I believe I read they were created by Victorian antiquarians.

>flails

I know people love to joke about how X is a meme weapon but, ball and chain flails like that picture are literally a meme weapon.

>>49684602
>Victorian antiquarians
Man, let's have a thread about these guys. What over crazy awesome shit did they cook up?

>>49684638
Visored barbutes.

Though, there are frogmouth bacinets, which look pretty much indentical but aren't fake.

>>49684602
Images of them from the medieval period do exist but they're always portrayed in historic, exotic or fantastic contexts.

>>49684602
That's part of what makes them great, they're a real life fantasy weapon.

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>>49684602
Flails existed, jut not like the OP pic. They were pole arms.

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>>49684571
Book: Athrogate
Movie: Witch-King of Angmar
Video game: Valen Shadowbreath
DnD adventure: Xuetari
Greentext: Fiona of Spiderwoods

Now kindly sit still, while I shove picrelated up your ass.

>>49684638
"Platemail"

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>>49684832
Oh were doing this again.

One of the guys in my 3.5e party almost got one with a bear-trap on the chain.

>>49684832
>>49684571
>*calls 911*
>"Hello, 911 emergency response. Please describe the nature of your emergency."
>"Help! Please send help! Anon just got rekt and we need an ambulance!"
>"Slow down, sir. Can you describe the nature of the injury? How did this happen and how badly hurt is the subject?"
>"Anon was meming hard on the internet and got rekt and now he has a flail shoved up his ass!"
>"Alright sir, please keep the subject calm, and don't touch the flail. Is there bleeding from the anus? Is the subject conscious?"
>"WHO CARES ABOUT THE GODDAMN FLAIL?! HE JUST GOT REKT ON THE INTERNET! SEND HELP!"

>>49684832
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cEuU64Zt4B0

>>49684657
Protip: called a morning star, not a flail. By definition of the weapon type, flails inherently include a chain

>>49685057
>Ambulance arrives on the scene, only for the crew to pull out a body bag and a revolver, for nobody can survive being rekt that badly.
>Anon accepts his death as no man or woman alive would be able to live with that much ass destruction properly.

>>49685467
Correction. A Morningstar is traditionally attached to a solid shaft. The inclusion of a chain allows it to be called a spiked flail. If your german, it would be a kettenmorgenstern, which translates literally I to Chain-Morningstar

>>49684832
> All those literally whos
Truly I've been BTFO.

>>49685091
I knew it'd be that song.

>>49686779
This is what we in the business call "digging your grave deeper".

>>49686897
Go ahead and tell me who those nobodies are, then.

>>49686904
I think your going to need to sell that shovel your holding and buy a drill.

flails did exist in medieval and renaissance times, with the 2 handed variety being well used, as it was based on an agricultural flail, and it would have been simple to make and use, its use is actually chronicled in a manual of combat

the 1 handed variety was extremely rare, as it would have pasted your head if it missed, but a few genuine medieval flails were indeed found, one belinging to the 10th century, and are occasionally seen depicted in artwork

the 1 handex flail was likely a specialist weapon rather than something used in the open field, its use is unclear but speculated to have been for taking out armored knights

>>49686761
Kettenmorgenstern sounds like something you'd say after snorting some burnt jew to be honest family.

>>49686779
Anon, stop.
What was called for was literally what was presented.
Someone thought they were clever, and got told in the most efficient order, so let it go and move on, because shitposting now just makes you seem pathetic.

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>>49685057
>>"WHO CARES ABOUT THE GODDAMN FLAIL?!

Poor flail.

>>49684389
I flail to see the point in that kind of weapon

>>49687068
>it was based on an agricultural flail

Farmers used to harvest crops with a club chained to a stick?

>>49684832
... and a mollusk, I was going to add.

You can't.

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>>49687585
You haven't heard of threshing?

>>49687068
There's almost no credible evidence of the chain-and-ball flail, and it's a terrible weapon. The two handed version was an agricultural tool and was most commonly used as weapon in peasant's rebellions.

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IIRC there was one in the Visby mass graves that was basically just two meter long iron bars with a ring welded onto each end, joined by a third ring. Seems like a very "interesting" weapon to use.

>>49684602
they existed, but the long chain is for the most part a myth. there are a few examples that are period, but most only had one or two links on the chain.

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Note the recycled pommel.

>>49686779
anally devastated
rectally annihilated
booty bothered

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Muh historical accuracy sperging aside, it's a metal as fuck weapon that's impossible not to love.

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>>49684602
>>49684691

They're poor people weapons, like a scythe or axe.

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>>49687772

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>>49687772
>poor people weapons

>>49687827
is this an axe thread now?

>>49687834
I think you just name a weapon, and he'll start dumping it.

>>49687827
Dump Baskethilted broadswords.

i demand suavity.

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Weapon thread? Weapon thread.

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>>49690247

>>49687738
Colon Crucified
Sphincter Flustered
Butt Blasted
Rectum Ravaged
Ass Assassinated
Shitter Shattered
Culo Catasstrophe

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Lets see we have axes and flails, what are some other brutal/semi brutal weapons about.

Shit you're most likely to find in the hands of a villain or barbarian.

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>>49690212
I love this one.

>>49684389
They seem cool in theory but godamn could you easily hurt your self with one

>>49690522
Hammers. Warhammers. Were those historical too?

>>49684911
>wizard casts fly

but they don't have their spellbook tho???

Fucking love flails, wish they got more love in various systems.

>>49690522
Kanabo, the iron greatclubs that oni are frequently depicted using.

>>49690192
>Emperor of Haiti
>Emperor
someone had quite the big view of themselves

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>>49684389
Hell yeah.

>>49690522
Mallet.
Bow with barbed arrows.
Shotgun.
Running away through familiar terrain 'til the enemy is exhausted.

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>>49691664
Yes.

>>49686779
I think you're trying to move the goalposts, anon.
Move them deep into your anus

>>49684691
Fucker on the left couldn't even be bothered to carve a straight shaft for his weapon.

>>49684638
Didn't victorians clean off all of the paint and fabric off of armors, making us thinking for ages that knights walked around primarily in silvery armor without blinging heraldry all over?

>>49693091
How did armor actually look like, anon? Any pics?

>>49693063
Cute!

>>49693091
>thine ye esmalts, knave!

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>>49693091
>>49693122
They appear to have cleaned browning, bluing, paint, etc off of some armour.

At the same time, that's not the same as no armour back in the day being bright steel. The "Alwite" style even gets its name from that, as the fabric coverings previously fashionable were discarded to show the new full plate harnesses in all their shininess.

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>>49693225
Pic isn't Alwite style btw, just a very shiny depiction from ca 1480. Here's a painted sallet, also from around then. What I've seen of surviving painted armour is, well, pretty much just late 15th century sallets. Plenty of blackened stuff around from the 16th-17th centuries though, perhaps that was much more common earlier on too.

>>49693225
You can clean off bluing? I thought that process straight up changed the color of the steel.

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>>49693291
Bluing creates a thin, translucent, blue-tinted layer of oxides on top of the steel. The steel underneath isn't coloured in any way.

>>49693225
>>49693256
>>49693291
I would assume that considering armor goes through WARFARE the paintjobs were applied a month to a week before sallying forth with the expectation that they would be damaged and wear away, so you'd probably see lots of simplified heraldry (a shield is a nice blank canvas for that) or lots of simple patterns like the sallet.

Is there any evidence that the painting was a kind of "camouflage" to make it harder to pick out individual soldiers? Kinda like the "Dazzle" camo on ships in WWI?

>>49693441
Are you high, m8?
In a medieval battlefield the last thing you want to do is blend in. If you do not make it absolutely, perfectly crystal clear who you are, and who you are with, you risk getting shanked by one of your own guys by accident.

>>49693512
are you illiterate or just regular retarded?

>>49686761
Not a correction, that's what I was talking about you mong. Thanks for helping me argue prove my point

>>49686761
Literally saying the same thing as the other anon.
Your reading comprehension leaves a lot to be desired, plebisaurus.

>>49687811
Then you post ! an axe. A blind fellow could see that is clearly the head of a halbert--there is a distinction.

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>>49693441
If a suit sits around in the armoury for years, and then spends hours in battle, then it isn't for the battle that you need the rust protection. From what I can tell people back in the day weren't terrible concerned about subjecting armour to the rigours of battle or tournament either, that was after all what it had been created for, and as a member of the warrior caste you'd certainly want to look your best while performing your primary task. There's an engraved and fully gilded helmet in the Wallace with a number of marks left by combat at the list.

Now while things like, say, Queen Elisabeth II's coat of arms might have plenty of room for simplification, heraldry back in the day would instead strive towards already very simply, striking designs. The entire purpose was the help identification, and in the heat of battle you need somethign pretty obvious for that. This makes it hard to simplify it much furtehr without ending up with, well, basically nothing. It'd also leave many coats of arms simplified to exactly the same, missing the point of it all.

I've never hard anyone suggesting there was anything of dazzle camo in there.

Specifically painting may also have been the budget option, while the expensive suits would perhaps instead go for bluing, gilding, etc, depending on where and when.

Another option that appears to have been fashionable in parts of the 14th century (to be supplanted by Alwite) was to cover a solid breastplate for example in fabric, like this one. (I have no colour photo of the original, so you get a replica.) This also seems to pop up with helmets in the second half of the 15th century and some distance into the 16th.

>>49684389
Didnt those kill their varriers modt of the time?

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Here's a rather more intricate sallet paintjob (fanciest I can think of), ca 1500.

>>49693639
>there is a distinction.

Yes, and I'd consider that an axe. Had it been a few hundred years older we could ahve pointed to it as one of the axes the halberd grew out of, but even then it wouldn't fit the proto-halberd category IMO, and when that was made (late 15th at the earliest) it's much too late for that anyway.

A single eye instead of full socket, thrusting point that doesn't even strive to be in line with the shaft. See "Hafted Weapons in Medieval and Renaissance Europe" by Waldman, might be something useful in http://www.mediafire.com/file/nzw3hmqlndd/The_Halberd_and_Other_European_Polearms.pdf too.

>>49693641
dear diary, today tripfag was not a faggot

>>49693717
If a tripfag is posting outside of a quest or storytime, he's an attention seeking faggot and should hang himself. No exceptions.

>>49687585
>harvest
No, it's used to beat the grain you already harvested to separate the thing from the other thing

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>>49693639
>poor people weapons

>>49684389
Yes, the give me +2 to hit most heavier armors.

>>49684389
Its a really great weapon, its hard to block with its elusive reach and hits harder than your normal mace. A generally great anti-armor weapon.

Problem is you're gonna bop yourself on the head trying to hit someone.

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>>49694100

>>49687764
The bottom one - it looks like it could be wielded 1 handed. More of these?

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>>49694912
Well, some things more or less along those lines...

>>49684389
I prefer maces or plansons, but flails are fine

>>49684911
>the "yes but" meme again
this meme needs to die

>>49684832
>Fiona of Spiderwoods
Who? Is this really from some shitty storytime from like two weeks ago? I guess you can use whatever you want to respond to who you did. And who is that book guy? Google says some fag from forgotten realms.

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>>49695913

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>>49684389
Knights used them, so I guess they are alright. Too unwieldy for my taste

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>>49697980
Tactical twerking saves lives

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>>49697990
One they actually dug up

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>>49697995
More

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>>49698094
All I need is my pommel to win

>>49698109
ebin meme

>>49684571
Sauron in the armour used flails didn't he?

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>>49698131
Nope, he used a mace.

>>49687629
>Tommy Two-Tumors shoots a knowing glance at the 4th wall as Zeke of the Sloped Forehead performs beard- fellatio on his massive scalemail-covered erection.

>>49698156
Huh, i guess the way he swung it reminded me of flails

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I'm gonna treasure this one.

Thank you OP. Thank you knowledge anon. Thank you stupid-as-fuck shitposter who couldn't just get btfo with dignity.

>>49684389
my girlfriend sure does

>>49698283
The constitution prohibits owning people like that

>>49684638
Studded Leather.
Most of D&Ds bizarre nomenclatures.

>>49690334
Why is the axe blade shaped like that?

>>49692812
>>49692823
>>49692844
>>49692847
If I were to classify those weapons, I'd call them Heavy/Pole Picks, since you're not actually using a blunt surface, as with a club or maul, but a spike of varying lengths. I do realize however that "hammer" in this context simply refers to the use of blunt force without a cutting edge.

>>49701173
To be fancy

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What about whips? Where they ever used as weapons historically? Are they in any way Practical?

>>49701552
Paegniarius gladiators used them extensively (and only), but I'm not sure that counts.

>>49701552
Yes, no

>>49697980
>trap knights
>using flails instead of swords or warhammers
I am not even surprised

>>49692144
Wait you've never heard about the Haitian Empire?

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>>49702621
>trap knights

I really like flails. I made a character who was adamant to prove the worth of flails. He became the comic relief of the party because I kept rolling 1s and slamming myself in the face. It didn't help that the DM thought flails were stupid and consistently had NPCs trash talk my character for wielding such a bad weapon, but it was worth it to mess with him.

>"As you walk down the street, you hear cries of pain. You turn your head down the alley and see two cloaked men robbing an elf."
>"I UNSHEATHE MY FLAIL!"
>DM gets visibly frustrated