MTG Modern General - Dredge Edition

Playing?
Building?
Next purchase?

>>49658812
>Playing?
Affinity, BW Tokens, 8whack, Mono-green Stompy, UR Storm

>Building?
I'm giving UW spirits a go. Seems like the Faeries deck I always wanted to be good but never was. Also bought a playset of Allosaurus Rider and Eldritch Evolution. I might just try building that.

>Next purchase?
Probably a Snapcaster and two Moorland Haunts to finish the UW Spirits deck.

Is milling a viable strategy?

>>49659899

Not really, no. The only time where mill is relatively viable as a wincon is really in limited because you have 20 less cards to mill and games go longer than in constructed anyways so that means more draws for them

>>49659963
>tfw round 1 of modern FNM you're against a new player on mono U mill
>you're playing dredge

Looter scooter is too good.

>>49659454
Tell me about your stompy deck, anon. Im building one, but dont really know which shell to stick with.

>>49660051
There was someone new at our store for our modern league yesterday. Game one he is on the play. He casts raven's crime targeting me, I discarded a gravetroll.
>Turn 1 draw dredge 6

>>49659899
There's combos which mill is used to remove the entire enemy's library in one go like legacy painter's servant, and that stratergy in general is fine. The new saheeli combo deck isn't looking too awful if that's what you want to do in modern. Playing a whole bunch of 'mill X' cards is an awful strategy though.

>>49659963
>>49660273
Thanks. I wanted to play u/r mill and maybe splash black. I just wanted sphinxs tutelage to be usable, honestly. Oh well

>>49660702
Not only that, but what if the main deck OG Emrakul like I do in Tron?

>>49660840
thats actually a good point, more decks run emmy in modern than legacy so mill is even worse here

If you're playing mill, think about their deck as their life instead. Something like hedron crab really only does 1 damage in that sense, and glimpse the unthinkable does less than a Boros Charm. It's just not terribly viable, especially with all the emmy/titan stuff running around

>>49660209
is there more than one different shell? this is my list:

4x Militant Dryad
4x Experiment One
4x Strangleroot Geist
4x Kalonian Tusker
3x Scavenging Ooze
3x Avatar of the Resolute
4x Leatherback Baloth
4x Vines of Vastwood
4x Rancor
4x Aspect of the Hydra

2x Treetop Village
20x Forest

sideboard usually changes but cards usually in it are Dungrove Elder, Thrun the Last Troll, against control and Jund, Creeping Corrosion against artifact based decks, Beast Within for Tron, Feed the Clans for aggro.

the deck does way better than people give it credit for. Aspect of the Hydra is your best card as it steals games out of nowhere. its the equivalent of Cranial Plating or Ravager but obviously more fragile.

>>49660259
>opponent on 8rack
>turn 1 Raven's crime
>bin Grisseldaddy

Bonus points for turn 1 Loxodon

On an alternate note, I won a game as 8rack with raven's crime and a fist full of lands.

when the game follows the rules of a standard 60 card deck then there's entertainment, seems the rules change to keep it unplayable.

>>49661343
??????????????

>>49661343
What language is this

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>>49661343

What the fuck is this sentence

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>>49661343
come again?

>>49661343
wtf am i reading

>>49661120
>keep raven's crime plus 5 or 6 lands
>cast crime, pass
>"eot, surgical extraction crime"
>mfw

Give me a reason NOT to unban Sensei's Divining Top

>>49663290
There's a chance it might make blue good in modern again, and I'd prefer to keep blue shit if at all possible. I need the tears of blue players to sustain me.

>>49663290
Faggotry.

>>49658812
>playing?
Affinity and suicide zoo
>brewing?
Skred red. Wanna try something different from just trying to run my opponent over as quick as possible.
Next purchase?
Probably blood moons. A solid purchase whether skred gets completed or not.

>>49660875
Why don't you just exile their graveyard to prevent recursion (flashback, dredge, undying, persist etc)?

Also if you play Phenax http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=378524

All your creatures gain Mill X where X is the creature's toughness.
Time for Wall of Frost and other high toughness creatures.

Modern Izzet burn/draw deck based around Guttersnipe.

yes/no/maybe

>>49663457
Basically this. Pro tour wannabe faggots taking 15 minutes to "think" about their top activation when it's three lands on top and they're dead on board playing for the draw

>>49664657

Do it like poker.
"Clock, please."

>>49663290

Prices need to stay low on Top until I can buy my playset for Legacy.

>>49658812
Playing?
8Seas Merfolk, going to probably transition to 4Seas for upped creature count. I think the loss in speed isn't worth the land control function.

Is there really no better one-drop to play in Dredge than "Insolent Neonate"? It seems like you are minusing way too hard to do the job of Putrid Imp or Tireless Tribe.

>>49666049
It's not like dredge was doing much on turn 1 even in legacy unless it had LED anyway. I've even seen neonate in some legacy lists, it's a fine card and it works great in the deck

>>49658812
>playing
Mardi Superfriends.

>building
Just tweaking.

>next purchase
Just gotta get the Chalices for the sideboard.

>>49666049
Some lists play tomb scour

>>49658812
Playing?
Mardu Control
UB tezzeret

Building?
Grixis

Next purchase?
Probably some vendilion cliques and a playset of disrupting shoals

>>49658807
>playing
Bant 'Draco and Grixis Denver

>building
RW Moon/Prison

>Next purchase
Somehow I only have 7 Chalice, so probably an 8th tomorrow

>>49666531
Draco?
>Eldrazi *

If they reprinted Daze in a modern legal set, would it help the format?

>>49667604
You would thing it would help control and it sorta will. However daze would make infect degenerate-tier.

>>49667604
"Oh man. That's a nice play to keep a white mana open to path my agent. Lol jk get cucked!"

>>49667604
Helps infect/tempo too much
Swords to plowshares would help more

>>49658812
>Playing
Loam Pox, but with molten vortex instead of zombie infestation. It's a dedicated control deck and isn't foused on dredging cards. It works very well.
>Building
I just finished mono blue tron and wrking to improve it. I also want to make Counterbalance playable with Academy Ruins. I have a bunch of staples for other decks that I dont know what to do with.
>Next Purchase
Maybe Thopter Sword pieces.

>>49663290
Counterbalance would run wild all over the meta. No more suicidezoo, infect, burn, etc. Players would be pissed.

>>49668521
>Counterbalance would run wild all over the meta
Just like Thopter Foundry. Just like Grave Troll. Just like Faeries. Just like Visions.

>>49668789
Can you explain how counterbalance is relevantly similar to the cards you listed?

I don't play Magic for years. How I get good with Zombies or Rats?

>>49668909
It's overrated as fuck. Even if you go T1 Top, T2 Counterbalance, you're blind flipping your opponent's next turn. And even then, it does nothing to deal with your opponent's already resolved boardstate.

>>49668521
>counterbalance
>with no brainstorm
>with no ponder
>with no Mind Sculp
>literally only top
>also artifact hate is common

Feel free to be retarded somewhere else

Dropped Abzan for Dredge, loving it. Placed 3rd at my first event with it, opponents saw their gy hate every g2 at least and I still won through it. Conflagrate is exceptional and one of the reasons to play the deck, honestly. It was reach when I needed it to be, and Damnation when I needed it to be. Highlight was flashing back for 2-1-1-1 damage against a skyspawner, its token, a noble hierarch and a matter reshaper against Bant Eldrazi

>>49668521
>people literally think that the Miracles engine is just top and counterbalance

>>49669011
>t1 divining top into t2 counterbalance
>meanwhile, opp t1 Faithless Looting discarding Bloodghast Amalgam

RUNNING WILD

>>49669035
What's your board look like?

>>49669078
3x Ancient Grudge, 2x Abrupt Decay, 2x Collective Brutality, 2x Spellskite, 2x Gnaw to the Bone, 1x Engineered Explosives, 1x Lightning Axe, 2x Memory's Journey

Grudge, Journey, Brutality and EE overperformed

I didn't play against any RIP decks but it's possible I should have sided Decay in against decays I suspected Grafdigger's cage coming in

Spellskite would have been good v. Infect but I didn't find it

I did Gnaw to the Bone v. affinity and between it and Grudge, our post board games are amazing if they don't have Cage

I didn't play against Melira, Griselbrand, or other dredge decks so I didn't end up needing the Journeys. I still think they're BIS for interacting with other graveyard decks without giving up a bunch of slots for Leylines

>>49669078
After T1 there's a land in play, maybe a Neonate.

>>49669057
I love this new meme where every deck is dredge

>>49669174
>didn't play against Melira, Griselbrand, or other dredge decks so I didn't end up needing the Journeys
>journey over performed

Well which one is it?

>>49669227
Whoops meant to say Gnaw overperformed as well, not Journey

My bad

>>49668980
And yet somehow this combination is tier 0.5 legacy.

>>49669011
>top
>artifact hate
Unless you're slinging K-Grips, I'm not really worried.

>>49669520
Yeah no other decks stomp all over Miracles. It only looks like tier 0 because Merkans refuse to 1) learn how to play against it, or 2) sideboard against it. So many cards shit on Miracles. The deck literally cannot beat Eldrazi or Dredge pre-board.

>>49669520
1.
>implying miracles is 0.5 in legacy

Wrong

2.
>implying miracles in modern could work without
>FoW
>brainstorm
>ponder

Literally kill yourself

>>49670013
>wrong
lol

>>49660840
I think you can surgical extraction the Emrakul while the trigger is on the stack then just mill them out again.

>>49669520
There aren't free spells to play while you setup your lock. You will probably be dead on board to affinity, infect, and suicide zoo and close to dead to dredge and burn. There's probably something else I'm forgetting.

http://www.channelfireball.com/articles/the-25-best-decks-in-modern-25-14/
What do you guys think the other decks are? Think there's any surprises? I want to see Azusa titan on here

>>49672554
affinity
jund
junk
dredge
infect
burn
zooicide
jeskai harbinger
r/g tron
bant eldrazi
zoo
titanbreach
abzan company

not sure about

>>49672691
>abzan company
That deck is bad and was nothing more than a meme

>>49672691
I'm serious about Azusa Amulet, it still feels really strong. A turn 3 Prime Titan that doesn't die at the end of the turn and that can hit for 8 the turn it comes down, while having viglance, and can get vigilance and double strike the next turn, is nothing to scoff at and a lot of decks just can't handle that

So is Nahiri still a deck?

>>49672876
They can handle it just fine.
Path
Terminate
Double bolt
Counters

>tfw khans fetches are cheaper now than when i bought them
>tfw i somehow made money buy selling them at 20 a piece

>>49671844
You can, but then you have to mill them out again. Thats like 100 cards to mill. Unless its combo, it's unviable anon

>>49674037
Good. Now enemy fetches need to be reprinted. No reasons fetches should be near as expensive as they are.

>>49674179
Yup, 100% agree
I wish they actually printed monocolor fetches, I feel like they could do that at uncommon in a set where duals don't exist so they aren't as powerful, and it would keep the price down

>>49674037

Why would the fetches be cheaper NOW?

>>49674423
They rotated out of standard? Khans is supposedly one of the most opened sets of all time so it makes sense a lot of them are floating around
Give it a few years and they'll probably shoot up

>>49664523
The deck has 16 creature based win conditions so it has potential.
>Guttersnipe
>Swiftspear
>Thermoalchemist
>Thing in the ice
The real question is, can you out race or control burn. If so, can you then out value actual control?
Being in UR makes it auto win against a lot of combo decks so no issue with that.

>>49674473

Right, but it's been awhile now since they rotated out of standard, that was back in Shadows over Innistrad, a whole two sets ago, wasn't it?

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>new chandra sucks
>price cut in half since preorder
>"M-Modern playable!"

I fucking told you guys. Marginally better than Pyromaster at best.

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>>49661343

Are you okay?

>>49666531
How do you like playing Bant Eldrazi? I'm currently only a few pieces away from completing it

>>49674791
Oh man I didn't see she already shot down to 35

Top kek to everyone that preordered her at 1000$ or whatever retard hype price she was at

>>49672903
Meme deck

>>49674972
I think she peaked at 60? and yeah, pretty obtainable at 25~

>>49672906
Not him, but:
>dude just Path Griselbrand. He's not dangerous.

Good decks rarely have one threat. I question whether Azusa Amulet is a strong deck, but I don't know what you tell you if you think spot removal genuinely stops a deck from functioning outside of Kitchen Table.

>>49674549
Nope. They rotated with Kaladesh arriving.

>>49675181
You're comparing griselbrand to primeval titan. I think we're done here

>>49675181
>but I don't know what you tell you if you think spot removal genuinely stops a deck from functioning outside of Kitchen Table.
That's literally what happens. You can't run fragile creature combos because of this. You're genuinely retarded

>>49675290
>I question whether the deck is strong, but there are holes in your argument for why you think it's bad

Thanks for reading my post dude.

>>49675307
Expending all of your resources just to play prime time is shit. I even stated I was done with your shit before I read past the second line. Sorry if your feelings got hurt buddy

>tfw d&t mulls to oblivion to find RIP
>tfw draw delver, all three pyros, torpor orb, and cantrips


>>49675181
>>49675306
in the match i played against it, the dude kept fetching tolaria west to chain summoner's pacts for more titans. The deck doesn't suddenly implode when faced with one spot removal

>>49675370
>The deck doesn't suddenly implode when faced with one spot removal

This.
No viable deck does.

>>49675396
It's not a viable deck

>>49675370
What kind of garbage were you playing that he had enough turns to waste doing that?

>>49675191
You are mistaken. KTK and FRF rotated out when SOI was released. DTK and ORI rotated out when KLD was released. The fetchlands have been out of Standard for about half a year.

>>49675524
>any midrange or interactive deck in the format
>garbage
fair point

>>49669174
I think you should really try 2 darkblast instead of 2 spellskite. Way better card vs infect because you can find it while dredging. It can also come in against affinity where it also just wins games, better card than gnaw against them imo.

>>49676107
I've also seen Twisted Image to combat Spellskite

100th for Fatcaster Mage

What tier is tribal spirits in?

>>49676523
That's not a modern deck

>>49676536
It is if I put Geist in it

>>49676545
You don't understand

>>49676646
yea I need Cavern of Souls too staple for Tribal decks

>>49676658
>cavern of souls can make an uncounterable creature that counters spells effectively making an uncounterable counter
why is this card not banned?

>>49676658
I'm certain you're trolling but spirit tribal will not be competitive

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>>49676711
Because it wouldn't be the first uncounterable counter?

>>49676711
It would be pretty good if it pasted the bolt test.

>>49676718

"Eldrazi tribal will not be competitive" - Anon, /tg/ Fall 2015

>>49676767
Entirely different. You're retarded

>>49676767
It will be if they print a Sol land for spirits, but I doubt it

>>49676757
I'm assuming that bolt test implies "resistant to common removal," otherwise you need to be in UR to stop it. Doom Blade is evidence that spells weak against certain colors work just fine.

Also, something about how these posts are being written makes me think it's not a serious conversation.

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>>49676750
>white margins
>fuzzy card text

Why not just pull the image off gatherer?

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>>49676803
>223x331
>Commander 2015

Why not just pull the image of magiccards.info?

>>49676789
Bolt test means whether or not it dies to bolt (with a tempo disadvantage). Spell queller costs 3 and dies to a 1 mana spell, the most common in the format, and you don't even get anything back like with path. Stuff like DRS or delver also pass the bolt test because while they die to bolt you're at no tempo disadvantage.
Off the top of my head bob and Steel Overseer are the only creatures played in modern which don't pass the test.

>>49676842
That art is fucking awesome

>>49676842
>using a dead website

>>49676846
bruh
I know what the bolt test is.
but if you have both counterspells and bolt, you're in RUx
not many people are in RUx relative to all the people in B, but Doom Blade still works.
>bickering over some janky card that's only useful against someone in one of the worst colors in Modern

Have a good night ya'll

>>49676750
That isn't even the first uncounterable counterspell ya dingus

>>49676924
Seems like the point is that other uncounterable counterspells existed, not that the one posted was the first.

Sup tg. Working on a Rakdos midrange brew. It's had some decent success, I beat Grixis control, Merfolk, and affinity, amongst some others. Any suggestions?
Inquisition x4
Thoughtseize x2
Lightning Bolt x4
Bloodghast x4
Dark Conifidant x4
Terminate x3
Dreadbore x1
Kolaghan's Command x4
Liliana OtV x4
Chandra, ToD x2
Kalitas x2
Dragonlord Kolaghan x2
Lands x24

Side/maybe board
Damnation
Rakdos Charm
Bump in the Night
Thundermaw Hellkite
Virulent Plague
Curse of Death's Hold
Phyrexian Crisader
Go for the Throat

>>49677031
Sell the damnation and buy some better cards

>>49677080
Oh my bad I forgot to
>inb4 obligatory pseudo clever weak attempt at a burn

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>>49676750
But it would be the first uncounterable counter that counters uncounterable counters

>>49677140
or you could just remand your spell

>>49677140
This has gone too far.

>>49677100
>Wants advice
>Give advice
>l-l-ol thats a weak b-b-burn

>>49677186
If you want to imagine that's what happened I won't ruin your fantasy

>>49677192
you're the one that posted the shit deck, expect criticism

>>49677205
Criticism is one thing,
>lol play a different deck
Is another. It's obviously not helpful, nor is it a particularly original or creative comment. And you're pretty quick to say it's shit. Like I said, it's had some moderate success, and it's still a work in progress. It's already borderline competitive, if not tier 2. I was just looking for suggestions to lift it up a little.
>get rid of everything
Is just a dumb thing to say

>>49676852
also way too similar to izzet staticaster's

>>49677031
curve seems really high. how do you not die to confidant?
kolaghan seems much riskier than say a titan or stormbreath
i recommend 4 fulminators in the side for tron, valakut decks, etc

>>49677792
lol I've almost died to confidant a couple times, a couple times I've had to use Chandra's -3 on it...which doesn't seem like a good sign. But using Chandra to ramp into Kolaghan has been sweet. Kolaghan is a novelty, but nobody sees it coming. A 6 power flier with haste is nothing to sneeze at, and a couple times people have had to exile their own graveyards to get around his second ability, which is great when facing taramgoyfs. truthfully getting to the endgame hasn't been difficult with the removal, burn and hand disruption. You might be right about a titan though, it certainly seems like a safer option. I'll try out both inferno titan and grave titan. Also I totally forgot about fulminator Mage I'll definitely put that in. As far as stormbreath goes, the pro white is really the only thing I like about it. Paying one more mana for +2/+1 in Kolaghan and having better abilities seems worth it to me.

>>49669669
>2/3 of the game are played post-board
>deck loses 1/3 of the games "every time" and still manages to beat the decks built to counter it.

>>49674218

>monocolor fetches in a set without duals

What's the point?

>>49677878
actually in a deck with 4 lilis and 4 k commands i'd be tempted to push demigod of revenge as your top end finisher. Still weak to path but idk. you can decide where you want the balance of speed and resilience.

about sideboard:
rakdos charm and damnation are good
the other cards you listed seem subpar

>>49678061
i was wondering if that anon meant lands that can fetch a basic land with the choice between two basic types?? ie a card that fetches either basic swamp or basic forest perhaps?

>>49669054
and fetch lands.

Temur super friends with doubling season and oath of nissa with metric ton of fog effects and some removal in sideboard for more aggro matchups.

Would it work?

>>49679285
Jesus fuck no. Why would it work? You can't end the game in any reasonable time frame.

>>49678007
Miracles is good after boarding because it runs Top, Brainstorm, and Ponder. The Counterbalance really doesn't contribute much.

Reminder that Cavern of Souls is like 4 years old but sits at like $80 and no one cares. Everyone is too busy shitting themselves over $90 grills.

Roast me family

Non creature:
2x teleportal
4x sleep paralysis
2x dictate of the twin gods
3x blood mist
2x sea God's revenge
2x pour over the pages

Creature:
2x scion of glaciers
2x skirk shaman
2x crossway vampire
1x volcanic dragon
1x skaab Goliath
3x riot piker
4x sprinting warbrute
3x borderland marauder
3x lavastep raider

Lands:
12x mountain
12x island

>>49679753

The fuck is this pile?

>>49679753
>>49677031
I would love to be matched up against these. It's always great getting free wins with Tron

>>49678121
Not that anon, but I think he meant a fetch that says "tap, sac, pay 1 fetch for a plains" instead of "tap, sac, pay 1, fetch for a island or plains". Almost as powerful, but not quite which mean casual players/ 2 colour decks would have a middle ground between real fetches and evolving wilds.

By the way /tg/, which shit fetch do you prefer: evolving wilds or terramorphic expanse? I prefer wilds because of the different arts

>>49677245
You don't know what tier 2 means. Tier 2 is a very specific group of decks. It isn't anybody's random brew they take to FNM. Please learn what terms mean before you use them or else you look stupid.

The problem with your deck is why are you in your colors specifically. Why Rakdos instead of Jund? With fetches and shocks you can easily get the third color and have a deck that is orders of magnitude better. What advantage do you get by playing worse cards? Bloodghast is not a midrange card, why are you playing it? Dragonlord Kolaghan is not playable in any format. This is why people are telling you to start over, you don't have a workable concept in your deck. It's just a way worse Jund no matter how you tweak it.

>>49677031

Mardu Nahiri and Jund are just straight up better versions of this deck. If you're playing pure RB it had better be for Blood Moon, but then how are you winning the game?.

Rakdos has always been unplayable because it has no finishers.

>>49680091

Literally cards from his collection that he's calling a modern deck

>>49677245
Splash green for tarmo. And learn how to sideboard.

>>49677245
>It's already borderline competitive, if not tier 2.

Tiers are usage based. Your deck is tier 99. As in you are the only one playing it. Jund is tier 1, meaning a lot of people are playing it. What's your game plan against Eldrazi? Or Dredge? Or Tron? Or living End? Or Scapeshift?

>>49679753
Can you explain your deck for thread please? Any help from you would be great so we know how to help you

>>49679753
Wacky draft produces the most fun decks

>>49674218

I have had literally this exact same thought and consensus among my playgroup would be that they would be mechanically fine exactly as you described, and at uncommon as well. it wouldn't be unhealthy to produce that mechanic in a kitchen table viable manner and it would give budget players a cheaper but less powerful replacement.

I want to see it happen.

>>49664657
>taking more than two minutes to consider a top spin
JUUUUUUUDGE!

>>49669669
i haven't lost a match to miracles in three months

>>49672691
oh well look at that. 12 out of 13

http://www.channelfireball.com/articles/the-25-best-decks-in-modern-1-13/

>>49680351
>>49680760
Ok it's not technically tier 2, but obviously what I meant is that it's comparable in terms of competitiveness, or at least is getting there. Bloodghast was a suggestion from someone on /tg/, and it has overperformed honestly. Being able to pitch it with Liliana and bring it back over and over has worked out wonderfully, it adds repeated pressure. I'm playing Rakdos because I like he color and I'm not big on green. I put this together just to try it out, an lo and behold it wasn't complete garbage, so now I'm interested in seeing if I can take it to the next level. As far as specific strategies against the meta, as I play it more against different decks I figure i'll realize where I'm weak and what I need. If you have any preemptive suggestions I'd love to hear them. Fulminator Mage has been suggested and I think it's an auto include to the sideboard.

>>49681910
I wish people would stop asking for infect bans, and try to kill my dudes rather than race me. Turns out you can't race the fastest deck in the format unless you are suicide zoo, burn, or sometimes affinity.

>>49682404
"Try to kill my dudes" yeah I tried that but they were hexproof, then they had apostle's blessing. Then I was dead. In all seriousness though infect doesn't need a ban.

>>49682404
>"kill my dudes"
>forgetting that aggro beats control

>>49682882
I should say kill my dudes or try to disrupt my hand. I'm more talking about other combo decks rather than control. Someone riding a horse shouldn't complain about being slower than the person driving a car. They should try to shoot the tires of the person driving the car.

>>49682997
Hand disruption is the best defense against infect I've found. The problem is it's not like a true combo deck because they can kill you all at once or over time. Any 1 mana spell they draw is a serious threat, the whole deck is instant gas.

>>49683332
No quads for me :(

>>49683345
>yfw not that poster
>yfw I got the 49M
>yfw my first post after it was Satan

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Is there a single more butthurt person than this guy?

>>49683332

This is true. I don't mind when infect tries to blow it's load in a single attack, but I get pissed off when they have a glistener and a nexus on board and I'm 6 poison off dead. being able to chuck in smaller attacks makes the deck a lot more versatile than people give it credit for.

>>49683589
No, I hate him so fucking much

Who is ready for badstuff.dec?

So, is this Shareeli/Liquimetal Coating combo I'm hearing about legit? Sounds kinda like a meme combo to me but I'm a modern noob so I thought I'd ask.

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>>49675031
>>49672903
>there are still guys who try to delude themselves into thinking that Jeskai Control won't be forever tier 1 because they traded their foil Nahiri for Arlinn Kord at prerelease

>>49683823
The Liquimetal combo is jank because it requires 2 cards + Saheeli. The Sun Titan combo, however, might just be worth trying.

>>49683850
>The Sun Titan combo, however, might just be worth trying.
How would that work then?

>>49683589
Every now and then he says surprisingly optimistic and lighthearted, but yeah mostly it's just butt hurt

>>49683956
>Sun Titan enters
>ETB brings back a Saheeli
>-2 copy Sun Titan
>Sun Titan enters
>ETB brings back a Saheeli, sac the old one
>-2 copy Sun Titan
>Sun Titan enters
>ETB brings back a Saheeli, sac the old one
>-2 copy Sun Titan

Make infinite Sun Titans with haste.

>>49683956
It requires a saheeli and n the grave and ok the board. copy sun titan, etb trigger brings back saheeli, legend rule kicks in ditch old saheeli use new one to copy sun titan again. ETB triggers bring back saheeli...rinse and repeat and you get infinite sun titans with haste.

>>49684017
So you need at least 2 Saheeli in the yard, how is that any less difficult then the other combo?

>>49674218
Bruh, monocolored fetches that have a land type.

Dude you could chain all those fetches on each other it would be fucking sweet, you could kill yourself T1 by fetching a chain of 20 fetches dued shieeet.

Get redy 2 rek the metagame guys!!!
HOLY Fuck thoug hit could happen.

>>49684090
I think the idea is that sun titan is just good enough on its own as a value piece, whereas the other combo requires 2 different cards that do nothing on their own.

>>49684206
Just in case they find a way to interrupt your combo

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>>49684231
Forgot pic

>>49668521

I highly disagree that the aggro decks would lose to Counterbalance with Cavern of Souls. Though if top was banned then Cavern would most likely go through the roof.

>>49684017
>>49684090
Dump your library & Unburial Rites the Sun Titan ez gg :^)

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Is there a reason this game is so expensive?

Like a legitimate reason other than people paying what people are asking for cards?

I love the game, but I only play on xmage and stuff like that because the cost is insane.

Would WotC really lose money by making the game more affordable so more people could play?

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I need the cheapest competitive deck with staying power.

Fish? Eldrazitron?

>>49685500

Ad Nauseam is relatively cheap, though not as cheap as it used to be. Your most expensive pieces are the Pact of Negation's

>>49685482
>Like a legitimate reason other than people paying what people are asking for cards?
nope, it's really that + low supply

Wizards wouldn't lose money, but a large chunk of it has to do with a.) what cards can be printed in standard and b.) are they going to be reprinted sometime soon in the future and we just don't know
Wizards has about a year to deal with stuff like card price spikes and those can happen very quickly so they can't really respond soon.

>>49685601
They should really just commission new art for zendikar fetches and mass print them in a supplementary product

>>49684940
Oh fuck son did you just discover an alternate win condition for Manaless Dredge?

>Have 2x Saheeli and 1x Sun Titan in your deck
>Return Balustrade Spy, mill out
>Return Sun Titan
>Go off

>tfw you'll never get to curbstomp Desolator
>his videos still somehow get mostly thumbsup

>>49685696
If you can Dread Return the Spy without getting Force'd you've p much won, but it would be a spicy way to do it

>>49686135

>Dread return
uh huh.

>>49685696
>>49686135
>>49686165

My b I thought we were discussing modern, I thought you meant some spicy meme version of modern manaless dredge but I see I'm mistaken

>>49685976
his recent video whining about what to ban in modern is pretty hilarious

>>49686212
Why does he bitch about every tier 1 deck? Why does he think there are 50 tier 2 decks? Why does he think that even if you ban all the tier 1 decks, tehre won't be new, broken tier 1 decks? Why does he bitch about Ad Nauseam so much? Whenever I hear him talk about magic he sounds like he's such a shitty player

>>49686254
Because that's what he is. He's a sperg who wants everyone who plays tier decks or plays anything remotely viable to die and think its cool to only build his own durdle garbage decks.

Its pretty clear he knows fuck all about modern, so his opinions don't matter. But they still make my blood boil.

>>49686254

>Why does he bitch about Ad Nauseam so much?

Why the fuck does anyone bitch about Ad Nauseam? I was playing that deck since the original Conflagrate list showed up in the earliest modern tournaments and literally nobody gave a shit about that deck until it won a GP like years later and the list has been relatively almost the same since then except it now needs to play new creative wincons to throw off people like Lab Maniac.

>>49686629
It just doesn't feel busted like other decks. Yeah it's a two card combo that wins the game, but it doesn't feel absurd. It needs mana, can be disrupted, can be rushed, the only thing that could make it feel busted is the fact that it goes off at instant speed but even then, who gives a fuck.
I got really pissed when he said that Ad Nauseam players are mentally ill because it makes it seem like his literally retarded ass isn't.

>>49681910

>bogles made to the list

I'm pleased.
>Doesn't Lose to Itself: 5

The deck quite often loses to itself. Sometimes you're forced to mull to 4, and the deck screws you anyway. It should be like:

>Doesn't Lose to Itself: 3

buy Ezuri now before he becomes a 15 dollar card
it's going to get there, believe me

>>49687070

>tfw building elves now
>missing one heritage druid and two Ezuris

Please, not fucking again.

>>49687070
Lol and why would I care about that?
I have no interest in playing elves and $15 is nothing

>>49687176
$15 is $15

>>49687324
Not enough to stockpile magic cards

Just brewed some RUG Breach/Unexpected Results/Madcap/Summoner's Trap, It's pretty fucking fun
Unexpected results has really had unexpected results

>>49687744

I would just call this deck dues ex machina instead. Basically sums up what you're attempting to do.

>>49687880
It's hilarious when you cast prime time, get it remanded, then summoning trap into a emrakul, then next turn unexpected results into a madcap experiment into a platinum emperion

r8 my maymay deck

4x Cavern of Souls
4x Flooded Strand
3x Sacred Foundry
4x Inspiring Vantage
1x Kher Keep
6x Plains

4x Champion of the Parish
4x Soul Warden
4x Soul's Attendant
4x Norin the Wary
1x Legion Loyalist
1x Lightning Berserker
3x Ajani's Pridemate
2x Ranger of Eos
2x Purphoros, God of the Forge
1x Pia and Kiran Nalaar

4x Genesis Chamber
4x Path to Exile
4x Lightning Bolt
1x Return to the Ranks

SB
3x Wear/Tear
2x Blood Moon
1x Grafdigger's Cage
2x Rest in Peace
2x Stony Silence
2x Deflecting Palm
1x Eidolon of Rhetoric
1x Spirit Bonds
1x Burrenton Forge-Tender

>>49687914
fun/10

>>49687914

>Ajani's Pridemate

I'd rather use Hanweir Militia Captain. The pay off is a little harder to pull off, but it atleast keeps your Champions a threat, and when it does transform, you usually don't need to cast another creature again except a Purphoros or a Loyalist for the win

>24 lands
>still getting screwed every game
wat de fug

>>49687914

>Cavern of Souls
>Still running Ajani's Pridemate

>>49687932 is right, but in my case its for the sake of maximizing the use of Cavern. You can run Hanweir or literally any other good white 2 drop in modern, hell even Precinct Captain sounds alright. Pridemate is more of a regular Soul Sisters card than a Norin Sisters one

>>49676872
What the fuck are you smoking I use that website almost every day to browse cards. It's so much better than gatherer. Granted it could update a little faster but that's a minor complaint.

>through the breach at the end of their turn and play newlamog (idk why I put it in)
>next turn topdeck emmy
god is testing me

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>enemy gets storm up to 15 and grapeshots
>all copies on me
>through the breach in a platinum emperion
>guy scoops and quits match
>mfw

RUG Deus Ex List

The goal of this deck is basically run as many giant threats and big combo pieces, and then Unexpected Results either into the threat itself, or a card like Breach or Madcap.

A lot of the numbers aren't tweaked, I just made it and played a few games. Probably would add in more infernos and maybe cut an anger because it feels like I'm hitting more cards like bolt and anger with Unexpected results than I want to be.

Lands:
1 Breeding Pool
4 Forest
2 Island
3 Misty Rainforest
5 Mountain
1 Scalding Tarn
2 Steam Vents
3 Stomping Ground
3 Wooded Foothills

Creatures:
4 Emrakul, the Aeons Torn
3 Platinum Emperion
2 Primeval Titan
1 Inferno Titan
4 Sakura Tribe Elder

Other Shite:
4 Undexpected Results
4 Madcap Experiment
4 Through the Breach
4 Lightning Bolt
2 Anger of the Gods
4 Summoning Trap

>>49688404
Get that symbol of hate off my Internet

>show up to FNM
>i'm literally the only person that was planning on playing Modern

I really don't want to make a standard deck just to play with people...

>>49689331
Standard is a scam. Show up for EDH night and play that, ask if the players also play Modern.

>>49689474
>standard is a scam

literally how

>>49689511
Buy into a short lived format where your cards are useless after a few months.

>>49689592
That was a test, you passed. Keep a good head on your shoulders lad

>tfw you can't do basic math and threw a game
FUCK me

>>49689731
Yeah I been there. Usually in limited with a clogged board-state

>>49689827
It was a tokens vs affinity match, I had a ton of tokens and I didn't realize that he didn't have enough blockers so I played it safe and just sent in the flyers, then did the math and shat myself

>>49689731
Every time you go pee, sum up a few integers and subtract some more from the total.

>>49686739
>The deck quite often loses to itself. Sometimes you're forced to mull to 4, and the deck screws you anyway

Thats the entire point, the deck is so redundant and explosive that you can easily mull to 4 and still go off on turn 2.

The entire reason the deck doesn't lose to itself is because you can easily toss your hand 2-3 times and still have enough gas to go off, and often times it's better to mull than to keep a hand for the raw card count.

>tfw play legacy dredge
>tfw can't justify making modern dredge because I sold blooghasts for 6$ a year ago so I'll just keep playing infect
feels BAD man

>>49690489
Modern dredge is bad, and is just tier 1 because it's spicy right now. Give it a bit and it'll be tier 2. Basically a mirror version of tron

Made an eggs deck


It has been pretty good. Competitive lgs with jund and such

4 krark clan ironworks
4 open the vaults
4 faith's reward
4 reshape
4 chromatic star
4 chromatic sphere
4 terrarion
4 ichor wellspring
3 lotus bloom
2 mox opal
2 edge of autumn
1 pyrite spellbomb
1 codex shredder
2 plains
2 flooded strand
2 radiant fountain
4 darksteel citadel
4 ghost quarter
5 island

>>49690748
Kys

>>49690748
whre are teh eggs

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>>49690748
>eggs

>>49690748
>eggs
>hardly any eggs
more like VEGAN breakfast AHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>49691289
Christ, we need to put a ban on vegans itt.

Got to top 8 at a gpt last night

Am I pro yet?

>>49691875
Where in top 8?

>>49691901
5-8th

>>49690623
Uhh have you seen cathartic reuinion played yet? You dredge a third of your library on turn 2 a lot more now. That is a lot of consistency that it didn't have before.

>>49691916
You're not there yet. But keep at it. What did you deck did you run, if you don't mind me asking

>>49691957
Burn

Lost to Jund in the top 8, flooded hard game 1, won game 2, and lost in top decks in game 3

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>>49690623

>Dredge
>Bad

>>49692583
>I don't even know this bitch
>where the fuck is my bridge

>>49692018
I got in the top 200 at GP LA with Naya Burn. Went 8-1 Day 1. Earned a pro-point. Was fun.

>>49692922
>Only making top 200 with Burn
>When a literal retard comes first
KYSMM

Rate my Faeries deck?
Also what is the chance that Faeries come back to the spotlight?

1x Batterskull
4x Bitterblossom
3x Cryptic Command
4x Darkslick Shores
2x Faerie Conclave
3x Ghost Quarter
3x Go for the Throat
2x Inquisition of Kozilek
2x Island
2x Mana Leak
2x Mistbind Clique
4x Mutavault
2x Remand
4x River of Tears
2x Scion of Oona
4x Secluded Glen
1x Slaughter Pact
2x Snapcaster Mage
2x Spell Snare
4x Spellstutter Sprite
2x Swamp
3x Thoughtseize
2x Vendilion Clique

SIDEBOARD:
2x Appetite for Brains
2x Dragon's Claw
2x Engineered Explosives
2x Flaying Tendrils
1x Hibernation
2x Hurkyl's Recall
2x Relic of Progenitus
2x Spellskite

>>49694712
>Rate my Faeries deck?
Sure
>Also what is the chance that Faeries come back to the spotlight?
Zero

It's just a generic UB list. The same kind of list that's underperformed ever since Bitterblossom was unbanned. You want to make mad efficient plays but you'll just get blown the fuck up.

>>49694712
>Also what is the chance that Faeries come back to the spotlight?
0 unless we go back to lorwyn

>>49694712
Splash red for bolt

>>49694524
Most matches are 50/50, especially post board

Literally need the luck of the gods for Burn, and god save you if you run into mass life gain.

>>49694524
The thing is, once you learn how to sequence your hand it's the luck of the draw after that. You don't always draw unanswered Goblin Guide and five bolts.and get paired vs a deck with no lifegain.

>>49692922
Would love to do a modern GP if GPs existed around new york

>>49694712
>Appetite for Brains

What do you plan to hit in Modern with this? Tron?

>>49695967
He could get a dredge creature maybe

>>49695967

Nahiri and GGT are the only real other targets that I can think of

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I'm trying to make the cheapest most competitive deck I can, I just wanna play Modern and not get run over. What do you guys think of these options? Which is best?

>Bogles without Horizon Canopy
>Stompy
>Mono U Control
>Mono Red Burn found here https://www.mtggoldfish.com/archetype/modern-burn-29476#paper

I just wanna have fun and everyone near me plays super expensive decks.

>>49696206
Probably Bogles, hardest to hate out and most free wins. White gets you great sideboard bullets which end the game on their own (Stony Silence etc).

>>49692744
Lel

http://www.channelfireball.com/power-rankings/

>Affinity has been the best performing deck since Modern was created and will continue to be a tier 1 deck until Cranial Plating inevitably eats a ban a few years from now

do they really mean this?

>>49696426
Sure hope not, the deck's not tier 1 because it's objectively good vs anything after game 1/has good overall win percentages. Few decks in any format fold to a single card like Affinity.

Going to a medium sized tournament tomorrow with Jund, what should I pack in my sideboard for an undefined metagame?

>>49696468
Uh huh. So do lots of other decks. Doesn't matter. Look at Dredge.

>>49696489
eggs

>>49696489
Bottle Gnomes.

>>49696468
>Few decks in any format fold to a single card like Affinity.

I know but still. I just finished building Affinity not too long ago but after the Twin ban for the reason of "competitive diversity" they might as well ban it. Pros talking about it like they knew something has me worried, I might just sell the deck and built more EDH decks desu.

>>49696573
Buy into legacy, anon. Games are a hell of a lot funner, and even if you can't make a legacy event once a week like I can (Seattle area) you can still say you have a legacy deck and be the envy of all your LGS 'friends'

The problem with modern isn't that cards are expensive, it's that a chaff rare can turn into a 25$ commodity overnight

>>49696573
Twin was also banned while Modern was on the Pro Tour. Unless it's on there again, Affinity is safe

>>49696785
Anon, twin did get nerf'd. You're not playing right

>>49696815
twin didnt get nerfd. twin got effd

>>49696824
You can still play Kiki :^)

>>49696824
Stay saltt twin players. Not even the Pod ban generated that much salt

>>49696789
I know this is b8 but how is jund at all oppressive? It's literally the fairest deck in modern

>>49696948
Jesus Christ, really? Are you really responding to that level of shitposting? Don't get me wrong, I thankful for the (you), but come on man.

Also to answer it's the most played deck last time I checked. And I was running out of things to bitch about

>>49696948
I would say junk is more fair

>>49696224
Well since you're the only person to reply because the rest of the thread is filled with autistic man children, Bogles it is.

Just bought a set of proxy goblin guides cause I can't afford the real deal yet, plus I heard there's a good chance they'll be reprinted in MM2017. What do you guys suppose the price will drop to if he is reprinted, what about if he isn't?

>>49696948
>It's literally the fairest deck in modern
That's why Bloodbraid Elf and Deathrite Shaman should be unbanned; to make Jund even MORE fair.

>>49697028
It's hard to tell. We don't know if he is getting reprinted, or how large the print run will be, or what rarity he will be if he even gets one

>>49697012
>autistic man children
>4chan

I don't believe it

>>49697095
If he's not reprinted do you think he'll get even more expensive?

>>49697028
Reprints are more about giving investors an increased stock of cards rather than actually lowering the price.

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>>49690623
>Modern Dredge is bad

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>tfw niggers say modern dredge is bad

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>>49690623

>>49697150
What do you think?

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since when is modern dredge bad you genetic fuckup

>>49697160
>dies to the one card you have in your side
0/10 worst deck ever, kamigawa was better than this

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>>49690623
(You)

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>>49690623

>>49697194
I dunno, I'm not sure if cards are in some sort of price freeze with the possibility of reprints looming over them in 2017 or if they're plateaued in price.

>>49697160
>>49697181
>>49697182
>>49697208
>>49697228
Jesus dude. Just tell us how much you hate RiP, instead of replying to a twelve hour old post

besides it will be bad untill dread return gets unbanned

so how long until cathartic reunion is banned?

>>49697271
I was being facetious, so I'll be nice just this once for you. It's basic supply and demand. If demand continues to go up and the supply goes down, guess what happens to price? That's right, it goes up.

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Ok so I have do ask is siding out lightning bolt correct in certain match ups I've been running UWR and find bolt is very weak against shoal and through the breach

>>49697341
It is always correct to side cards out that are weak against the current match-up, no matter the card. Even cards as good as bolt. Always optimize your deck against your opponent

>>49697297
No shit, what I'm asking is if the demand is static or not. Unless the demand is continually rising the price will hit a sort of ceiling. Eventually the price of a card becomes based more on it's rarity than its utility. If it keeps climbing, eventually it will hit a point people won't buy it because the price just can't warrant the card. So what I was asking is: has goblin guide hit that kind of ceiling or is it going to keep climbing.

>>49697341
Yeah, bolt does nothing against breach and combo. Sometimes I board out one or two against elves to make room for more sweeper

>>49697418
Do people want more goblins guides, and are more getting printed?

Yes, no

Anything else and I gotta bust out my crystal ball to check the future

>>49697418
You're new to buying and selling magic cards aren't you?

>>49697469
>are more getting printed?
>no
But we don't know that for certain the speculation for reprint in MM2017 could cause people to stop buying until they release which cards are going to be reprinted. Nobody wants to drop $120 on a set just to hear that they're going to be reprinted soon. This would decrease demand at the current price for a short term until either the community finds out if there will be a reprint. Alternatively the market for the card could determine that while guides are good cards they're simply not worth X amount of money which balances the price with those willing to spend X amount.I'm not sure which of those two scenarios it is hence the point of the question.

>>49697488
Yes, which is why I'm asking.

>>49697566
>>49697550
Nobody knows whats getting reprintd next summer

>>49697428
>I'm going to board out the best removal spell in the matchup instead of boarding out other cards

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>>49683589
he spends the first minute bragging about winning an fnm with control then 10 minutes later complains about control and that it should be banned

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>>49697272
>He's wasn't pretending to be retarded.

I'm trying to get into Modern and was wondering if BW was good to build around, I know its a budget deck, but can be built I to aggro control or midrange.

Would it be worth it to invest in this kind of deck? Or should I get something more established?

>>49698067
BW tokens can put up decent results, and is fairly inexpensive

>>49698067
Don't get into Magic at all man.

>>49698067
BW Tokens is a great budget murdermachine.

>>49698159
Sweet. Thanks. I'll look into buying that event deck if I can find it.

>>49698193
Yeah, the event deck is a really good starting point. It still needs some stuff to become super great, but its a very very nice place to begin.

>>49698238
>>49698238

>>49698207
Which event deck is this?

Any competitive bw tokens these days are around 700.

You can try into Modern on a budget, period. Shill out or go home. The people that play Modern on paper, thier decks are the most expensive thing they own due to poor life choices. Pros don't pay for the decks, they borrow.

Check this list if you own a modern deck more than 500 dollars:

>Virgin
>Work in retail or fast food
>Overweight
>Older than 20 and still lives with parents
>Showers 2 to 3 times a week if that
>Diet consists of fast food and soda

If you are any 2 of these, guess what?

You're a loser.

>>49696502
Wins through Leyline with Stinkweed Imp trading up and Neonate+Amalgam beats if they don't find their anti-hate which they can actually cast.

>>49698303
>Check this list if you own a modern deck more than 500 dollars:

>>Virgin
Nope.
>>Work in retail or fast food
Nope.
>>Overweight
Nope.
>>Older than 20 and still lives with parents
Yeah, I am 22 and live with my parents due to university. They're great people and we have a great relationship, so nobody's angry.
>>Showers 2 to 3 times a week if that
Nope. Gotta stay clean.
>>Diet consists of fast food and soda
Nope. I can cook.

I understand that you are poor, but please don't try to make others feel bad about themselves to justify your lack of involvement in a hobby.

>>49698303
I play jund and own all of the cards
>Has had sex with several women
>Work corporate sales job
>fit
>Have my own place
>Shower daily
>Eat healthy

Stay mad poorfag

>>49696948

being fair doesn't mean it's not oppressive. fair just means that it plays lands, cast spells, and often times beats face.

>>49698303
Let me go down this checklist for the average college magic player:

>virgin
Yes.
>retail or fast food
Yes.
>overweight
No. Underweight maybe.
>Older than 20, etc.
No.
>Showers 2 - 3 times per week
Maybe.
>diet of fast food and soda
Yes.

Turns out, only the casual magic players or standard babies at your local university aren't losers.

>>49698303
>Virgin
No but may as well be
>Work in retail or fast food
No, unemployed
>Overweight
Yes
>Older than 20 and still lives with parents
Yes, not really a choice though without a job
>Showers 2 to 3 times a week if that
No
>Diet consists of fast food and soda
No

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/14-09-16-zoo2/
just got this deck a few weeks ago, its really been underperforming, should i just turn it into burn? am i missing something huge here?