/dcg/ Dropzone/Dropfleet Commander General

>>49656718
>How much do you think a meta will be established in the time between backers getting their ships and the general public being able to buy DFC?

A Meta WILL be established, but it's a meta that is without Battleships or Corvettes. A meta that will have limited Battlecruisers and due to ship number limitations generally will be top heavy in an attempt to maximise points per ships.
Skirmish level will be common.
People who ordered double starter sets will have more freedom in list building and battle level, but even then, there will be limits.

>>49656837
That's a good point. With people gushing about how much stuff they've got coming it was easy to forget all those models will often be spread across a few fleets. And, like you say, that plenty of people are only getting a starter fleet or so per faction.

>Put in about 450 GBP for DFC
>In December 2015 conversion was about 1.48 USD to GBP
>That means 666 USD

>Suddenly Brexit
>Now 1.27 USD to GBP
>571 USD

Fucking brexit....

>>49657136
I'm a bit confused. Are you in the UK or USA? What's the actual issue here? It sounds like you're in the UK, but with Hawk being bongish the prices won't change, your 450 squids are still worth 450 squids.

>>49657227
Where the duck does quid come from?

>>49657136

Well, it's Swings and roundabouts, come end of March the Goverment signs Article 50, which means the price of the pound is gonna freefall compared to the dollar. Now, end of March is about a fortnight away from Salute 2017 in London. So if a person from the states WAS going to Salute that year, I'd advise waiting to get your travel money the morning after Article 50 get's signed, unless it's still in freefall at that point at which point I'd wait until they claim the markets have stabilised.

That's probably the best way to get the most stuff for your dollar.

And by the time we get round to Salute, Corvettes will probably be out.

>>49657227
I live in the USA.

My comment/complaint is for the fact that my investment/purchase has essentially depreciated by nearly a hundred dollars before I've even gotten it.

>>49657346
Welcome to fucking pre-ordering LITERALLY ANYTHING. That is the risk for paying now for something more later. The opposite easily could have happened, so stop bitching and either accept it or stop being a pre-ordering twat.

>order is mispacked and I am missing a whole PHR starter
>and half the pieces for my battlecruiser
>and the fins on the BC are warped to fuck

feels bad man, why do I have such shitty luck

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>>49657366
Anon, it's not my fault that your hatred of minorities and political illiteracy has sent your country into an economic deathspiral that will be felt for the next century.

I just don't wanna use your flimsy faltering currency anymore.

>>49657346
And here I was thinking people wanted models from the kickstarter for collecting/painting/playing games. But no, apparently it's an "investment".

I'm still upset that my credit card charged me a silly money fee because of England.

>>49657432

It wasn't political illiteracy or hatred of minorities, it was the government forgetting that England had a north.
A north that had been waiting in the ruins of a once prosperous land for 30 years for a chance to fuck over the south, London, and ESPECIALLY a Tory Government. So when they realised Brexit would do ALL of those things they could not vote fast enough.
Oh, and all of the racists obviously voted for it, but that wasn't as much as you think, since most of them were overseas starting riots with Russians Football Fans in Euro 2016 at the time.

Plus, it didn't help that there was literally no real opposition party to Brexit, because lord knows Jeremy Corbyn, alleged Labour Leader voted to leave when his time to tick a box came, I mean, the guy HAD been campaigning for it for 30 years prior to being told by his Union Paymasters that he had to campaign for remain this year.

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>>49657432
>Anon, it's not my fault that your hatred of minorities and political illiteracy has sent your country into an economic deathspiral that will be felt for the next century.

>>49657432
>>49657553
>>49657569
SO, HOW ABOUT THAT DROPFLEET COMMANDER WARGAME, EH?

Or Dropzone, of course.

>>49657613

So, based on point levels we now know, I'm thinking the best point level for KS backers games (4 cruisers and 8 frigates, maybe a Battlecruiser) would be Skirmish at 800 points.
It's big enough to use all or most of your stuff, but still means some hard decisions on what to take or not.

So, 800pt lists. Go.

are you ready for phrmageddon

Flag Group: 2x Heracles
Line Group: 3x Ganymede
Line Group: 3x Ganymede
Pathfinder Group: 2x Ajax, 4x Medea
Pathfinder Group: 2x Ikarus, 8x Andromeda
Pathfinder Group: 2x Ikarus, 8x Andromeda

32 bombers a turn, 2 wave motion guns and a fuckload of troopships for 2,868 points

>>49657703

Toss in a 100pt Admiral at the end so you wont lose the initiative come Launch Assets phase and that looks pretty good. Heck, you can take the maximum level on if you can find a way to lose 8 points off this list.

Is the LA limit at Battle 32? I thought it was just 30?

>>49657757
If the LA limit is 30 drop 2 Andromedas, easy

Then if possible buy a second admiral and fuck shit up.

>>49657373
Tell bird.

>>49657553
Didn't the north view overwhelmingly to stay?

>>49657843

No. You see, you've confused Scotland with the North. This is what the Government did.

There is in fact a bit in between London and Scotland. This is the bit Margaret Thatcher raped without lube and then sent in riot police on horses when they complained. Outside of a few cities, the place has been a wasteland ever since.

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>>49657843
No.

>>49657690
Dagnabit, I've been doing 1000 (well, 999) point lists because that's about two starter fleets. I normally can't fit all 6 cruisers & 8 frigates in, (still some decisions to be made,) but it's close.

Anyway my initial plan for scourge looks like this:

>Line
>1 Sphinx - 115
>1 Sphinx - 115
>2 Harpy - 84

>Line
>1 Hydra - 140
>1 Hydra - 140

>Pathfinder
>2 Harpy - 84
>1 Ifrit - 110

>Pathfinder
>2 Gargoyle - 64
>1 Chimera - 105

>Fleet champion (AV3) - 40

>Total - 997

May seem weird to see a scourge list without any wyverns or strixes, but I prefer the idea of working around oculus shooting and carriers rather than CA. I'll admit this is a bit of a "take the models I like" list.

I guess for 800 points I'd drop one hydra, the admiral down to AV2, and one harpy (requiring a rejig of squadrons from 2&2 to 3&0). That totals 795 points.

>>49657553
My favourite thing about it all is that even when we do leave we'll still have to agree to all the same treaties as before and basically nothing will change.

>>49657258
http://blog.oxforddictionaries.com/2016/05/origin-of-quid/

>>49657346
>investment/purchase
M8 it's fucking plastic space ships not a car or stock.

>>49657830
I have dropped Hawk an email with a photo of my half a leonidas

I.just wanted my spaceships, a drooping battlecruiser is not aesthetic at all...

>>49657932

>May seem weird to see a scourge list without any wyverns or strixes

Well, the thing with Strixes is, they are made out of fucking glass. Nobody can deny they hit hard and move quick, but they crumbe if you even look at them funny, so the Scourge player has to be really careful how he uses them.

That said. My planned Scourge 800pt fleet uses two of them.

>Vanguard
>1 Basilisk - 205

>Line
>2 Stryx - 180
>2 Djinns - 86

>Line
>1 Hydra - 140
>1 Chimera - 105
>2 Gargoyles - 64

>Fleet Enslaver - 20

800pts exactly. If I'd had more Line Squadron slots I would have split the Hydra from the troop carriers. But whatever.

>>49658143
You can split it off. You're allowed one Medium tonnage group in a Pathfinder battlegroup, so either 2 strix/2 djinn or 2 gargolye/chimera could be a Pathfinder battlegroup instead of a Line one.

I don't have a battlecruiser, not being a backer I have to wait until Dave sculpts the Akuma/Banshee. C'est la vie.

>>49657690

UCM fleet looks like this

>Vanguard Squadron
>St Petersberg - 155
>2 Limas - 74

>Line Squadron
>Rio - 105
>Seattle - 132
>2 Taipeis - 78

>Pathfinder Squadron
>Madrid / San Francisco - 79/111
>4 New Orleans - 128

>Level 2 or no Admiral depending on Madrid or San Fran.

If the Admiral turns out to be vital I guess I'll just have to settle for the Madrid.

>>49658236

Yeah, I missed that I can have a medium in a Pathfinder group. That'd be perfect.

The thing with that list is, it still leaves me with 4 frigates remaining to expand into higher point levels.

But ultimately, we aren't going to really know what would be the best things to expand a fleet into until we have a few games actually done.
For my part, there's no way I'm not gonna get a Scourge Battleship regardless. That model is just too good.

>>49658048

Well on the bright side, you've got the makings for some decent debris-fields.

>>49657888
>>49657905
My apologies, I don't know much about Britbongistan in recent times. Thank you for explaining it to me.

Didn't/doesn't Scotland hate Thatcher too?

>>49658380
So does the North and quite a lot of Wales.

>>49658327
I'm with you there. Which sexy trilobite will you build, the daemon or the dragon? I much prefer the look of the the daemon, it has a simply delightful amount of firepower, and with its armour I can throw it into brawls to get the most out of Scald. The dragon just feels a tiny bit underwhelming with its low fighter/bomber launch capacity by comparison.

>>49657958
Plenty will change. For instance, you'll lose all benefits of the EU while keeping all of the downsides.

>>49658380

Yeah, but they'd rather be an independant nation within the EU over joining up with whatever fiscal suicide pact is getting written in England right now. Plus this result means that the head of SNP has a viable Causus Belli to call for a second independance referendum. Which is kind of what the party was voted in to do.

>>49658466
Exactly, and I look forward to everyone getting annoyed about that.

Meanwhile I'll be sitting in independent Scotland being a smug little cunt.

remember kids, PHR vessels are /fit/ approved

>>49658453

If it had more fighters, like, double the fighters it currently has I'd be more receptive to the Dragon. With double the fighters it wouldn't lose out to the Demon in terms of damage potential, but have it's own distinct playstyle.
Yeah it has Torpedoes, but Scourge Torpedoes are low initial damage and are reliant on damage over time. That means that Dragon has to get within 16" AT LEAST of something before it can even use that, and with a Move of 8, that's not great.

The Demon on the other hand, has double the potential damage output a Dragon has, rules as written better Furnace Cannon (although I expect an errata on official release to clarify) and the same terrifying 2+ Lock On CAW.

>>49658453
>>49658537

The more difficult question is which PHR Battleship is best.

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> Check email
> Dispatch confirmation!
> It's from the Heavy Gear ks, not DFC

>>49658558

That is an easy one, its the DMC Herc. That main gun is so murderous it is no contest.

6 damage with 2 attacks then extra damage from crippling. The Crippling table is devastating.

>>49657905
Man, London should just secede with Scotland and the sane parts of Wales.

They bring in 88% of the UK's money anyway. The rest of the country would just die without them.

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>>49658689

>the DMC is just a better unlimited use torpedo with sig+scan range, split its 6 damage across 2 attacks and has crippling.

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>>49659056

>a Beijing on weapons free will do around 7.51 damage to a 3+ target
>a Heracles shooting at heavy targets will do 12.98 or if shooting at normal targets will do 10.32


>a Heracles only shooting it's DMC on normal orders will only do 1.8 less damage than a Beijing going weapons free, will auto cripple the enemy ship, can turn before shooting it's F(N) and won't end the activation with a major spike.

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Does anyone have any good ideas on how to build there bonus cruiser and frigates for demo purposes? I would like to build the Shaltari and Scourge freebies with the intent of demos, but don't know what would be the best build.

And since the last thread went under before I could respond, the core model is a SPM Royal Wrecker. There are also a butt-ton of pulse carbines sammiched between the proper PHR parts.

>>49659267
>>49659056

correction, I made an embarrassing mistake. Average damage of the DMC will be about 11/3(3.67) damage and the Heracles does about 7.32 double broadside against heavies and 4.66 against non heavies, so it's total with be around either 10.98 or 8.32.

That's not counting that well over half the crippling results do an extra 2 DP so the DMC has a pretty good chance at doing around 5.5-7.5 damage per attack, which puts it in the same ballpark as the Avalon.

Nasty

>>49659267
true but it does go up to signature 18 every time it fires normally meaning shaltari's crippling gun will see it from 30"s away, needs to be within 24" inches to see a battleship that has no spikes on it so will most likely be in range of shooting enemies and being shot by turn 2-3, so shaltari and UCM with limas can probably start sniping at it early with their burnthroughs. Scourge will probably want to send their battlecruisers after it

The corrupter rule on scourge will be painful to it,hitting with a crit auto inflicts fire(50% chance) on the target (no instant extra damage from that though) and at end of each activation corrupted ship rolls d6 for every hull point remaining on a 6 it takes another fire crippling effect. Its still great and probably my fav battleship profile and will have it in most lists

>>49659493
Doesn't ending your activation on standard orders clear bloom's effect?

How many ship do you have in your 1500 pts game roster?

>>49659493

As you said, Shaltari is quite similar to UCM in playstyle.

>>49658504
I hope so, for your sake

>>49659493

Normal orders will clear that bloom spike at the end of its activation anyway

>>49657690
Scourge Teaching list

>Line Battlegroup
>2 Wyverns, 210 points

>Line Battlegroup
>Hydra, 140 points
>Chimera, 105 points
>2 Gargoyles, 64 points

>Pathfinder Battlegroup
>6 Djinn, 258 points

Nice simple 800 point list, and if you really wanted to you could shave a few points off by making the Wyverns Strix cruisers and you'd have a similar effect plus a commander.

To teach, I'd figure the UCM force would be

>Line Battlegroup
>San Francisco, 111 points
>Rio, 105 points
>2 new orleans, 64 points
Line Battlegroup
>Seattle, 132 points

Pathfinder Group
>4 Jakartas, 2 squads of 2, 128 points

>Vanguard battlegroup
>moscow, 163 points
>2 Lima, 74 points

Scourge wants to get in close, and its the job of both to either protect the jakartas and get some decent shots off to weaken the incoming rush or pick off a few jakartas and get in without the Limas pinging you and letting the Moscow go weapons free. Could be quite an interesting fight, plus most of this you'll want for higher level battles eventually.

>>49660459

I think you should go Berlin. UCM seems to be all about BTL and you don't have any right now.

>>49660553
Could swap the Rio for it. Doesn't seem an unreasonable cut either.l

>>49658504
The government is keeping its nukes and oil there, so I wouldn't hold my breath unless the EU directly intervenes or something.

>>49661326
>EU
>doing anythjng
You may as well have said "unless the UN intervenes"

>>49660459
In addition to this, I want to put together light fleets (the bonanza frigate sprue + cruiser sprue)
Question is whether to make a heavy cruiser and 4 combat frigates or try to incorporate the ground game. Any suggestions?

>>49661326
They haven't the chutzpah to let a referendum be held and not let it go through. Can't do that for a good reason, much less a bad reason.

>>49658466
>EU
>benefits

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So, looks like that dropbox updated with Launch Asset rules.

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>>49662305
>>49662277
>49662277
>>49662268
>>49662259
>>49662252
>>49662240
Interesting. Really cant want to get my hands on my stuff now.

Also, digging those quotes along the bottoms of the pages. Nicely done, Hawk.

>>49662277
So dropships and landers deploy immediately. Does this mean they can only be launched within Thrust rather than 2xThrust? And if so, why the clarification that Dropships can deploy from LO if launched within 3", if they always launch from within 3"? What have I missed here?

>>49662577
Probably just covering their butts if a dropship in a future faction could move more than 3". This way, a faction could launch 5" away in atmos but has to launch 3" away in low orbit.

Okay, to double check- the launch capacity on a ship is how many fighters / bombers it can launch each turn, over the course of the game, and torpedoes are one use weapons that use the same rules yes?

OK, I have worked out a pair of ~700 point demo PHR fleets using my two starters plus extras.

Force A (for Aesthetic)

Line Group (264)
Bellerophon (180)
2x Andromeda (84)

Pathfinder Group (200)
Ajax (100)
2x Pandora (100)

Pathfinder Group (185)
Orion (107)
2x Medea (78)

Lv2 Admiral (40)

Total: 689/700

Force B (for Beauty)

Line Group (270)
Hector (170)
2x Pandora (100)

Pathfinder Group (230)
2x Ikarus (230)

Pathfinder Group (178)
Ajax (100)
2x Medea (78)

Lv1 Admiral (20)

Total: 698/700

Any improvements that could be suggested?

>>49663241
Yep. Torpedos are launched much like fighters or dropships, but they have the limited rule.

>>49663311
Fuck, realised the BGs are mixed up, the 2 Ikarus should be Line

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>>49662252
That spike for launching is going to be a big deal, huh. Forget planning to launch every single turn unless you want your carrier getting holed by flankers.

>>49663311
Might be nice to have a pair of Europas in one list to mix things up, though I imagine a Theseus to go with them would be outside your cruiser budget.

>>49663583
Its an elegant way to neuter carriers just a bit. Even with that neutering they'll still be a damn force as well, you'll just have to properly protect them and avoid straining your carriers.

>>49663634
Rejigging the lists means I can do this:

List A (696/700)

Pathfinder: 2x Theseus, 2x Europa
Pathfinder: Ajax, 2x Medea
Line: Bellerophon, 2x Pandora, Lv1 Admiral

vs

List B (694/700)

Pathfinder: Ikarus, 2x Andromeda
Pathfinder: Orion, 2x Medea
Line: Hector, 2x Pandora

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>>49663771
Don't forget orbital debris making certain corridors dangerous to send bombers down. Looking at leaked scenario rules there could be quite a lot on the table. And if carriers are forced to manoeuvre to get clean launching lanes then that spike for launching could become more of an issue.

>>49658504
You won't be smug when you have to apply to NATO and realize that Trump is going to start enforcing that 2% minimum for military spending and then jack it higher so the US can finally start to fix it's internal problems.

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>>49664100
>Trump
>fix anything
It's funny because people actually believe this. At least many Hillary voters know she's shit.
He's not even going to destroy the world like some people believe, he'll just give even more power to his corporate buddies and watch the country continue its slow death.

Do we know what the deal with gravity coils and the Impel rule is?

>>49657703
PHRmageddon Mk2: Laser Show

Vanguard: 2x Bellerophon, 4x Pandora (x3)
Line: 2x Orpheus, 4x Medea (x2)
Line: 2x Ajax, 8x Pandora (x2)

Lv5 and Lv4 Admirals to get to 3,972 points

Shoot 36 BTLs a turn until the enemy has more spikes in it than a Shaltari orgy

>>49664231

>>49664231

Impel-x, if you deal x damage to the target with this weapon, you can change the target's direction at 45 degree max.

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>>49664185
I LOVE HOW THIS POLITICAL DISCUSSION RELATES TO SEXY SHIP MODELS

OH WAIT

>>49658504
You guys aren't getting independence any time soon laddie. The last referendum fucked you for a few decades yet.

>>49664185
>Implying trump wasn't hired on by hillary to sweep the republican end and lose.

>>49664560
So if both coils hit and do damage you get to irritate the enemy? Seems like it would be nice against ships with finicky weapon arcs.

And with 8 Aquamarines in a battlegroup you could concentrate fire and make the target do a 360 degree spin.

>>49664560
So the aquamarine has to do damage with both shots to pull off its party trick. A 2+ lock gives it a chance of getting two crits, but it's still not something you can exactly rely on, even with two ships in the squadron.

Admiral level Commander on Atlantis

Line
Jakarta
Seattle
Seattle

Line (242pts)
2x Osaka
2x Toulon

Pathfinder
2x Lima
3x Taipei

Pathfinder
2x New Orleans
2x New Orleans

Vanguard
Avalon/Perth Group
Berlin Group
Jakarta Group

Vanguard
Atlantis/Johannesburg Group

>>49664835
How many total points? Just so we have an idea of what sort of game size this is for.

Help I can't stop optimising my lasers

Did you know you can get 12 laser frigates for 600 points, and that's a valid group at 2000 points?

Did you know at 3k points you can get 2 Assault Troopships, 8 of the small landers and then 44 BTL frigates and 2 Ajaxes?

What can 44 BTLs not kill?

>>49662122
Yes, benefits.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/eu-what-has-european-union-done-for-us-david-cameron-brexit-a6850626.html

>>49664880
Friendly reminder that spam lists are boring and annoying to face in every single wargame ever (because your opponent either brought a hard counter list or they didn't).

Please don't actually do this unless you want to risk killing your local area's budding dropfleet scene before it's really got off the ground.

>>49664859

Class 1500 points. This totals to around 1474

>>49662277
>>49662252
>mixing fictional-historical quotes in with the actual historical or fictional-contemporary quotes
based bird

>>49663583
>>49663771
Keep in mind, it the spike is kept in check by standard orders. It does prevent you from launch and using some kind of maneuver, tho.

>>49664185
>believing the establishment media
SHADILAY
SHADILAY

>>49662240
>>49662252
>>49662259
>>49662268
>>49662277
>>49662305

I don't see why people were shitting the bed about torpedoes being useless. They seem pretty good to me. You can fire them along with your one weapon per turn at anything within 2x thrust which is a minimum 12" and they will stay on their target until they either attack you your enemy spends enough course change/max thrust orders to roll a 6 on shaking it off. But by then you've probably put more torpedoes on them and their point defense ain't gonna do shit.

>>49665911
Were people saying that torpedoes are useless? They always seemed fine to me, especially when you consider their application as psychological weapons.

>>49665779
>believing news media
>not looking at the various pieces of evidence and forming your own opinions
The only media source I trust is The Onion.

>>49665980
>not discerning the truth directly through the global memetoplex
>not confirming your conclusions through the hyper-temporal zeitgeist
Pepe Atlas Fori Wami Mur Quanat Xenon Arton.

>>49664185
>he's going to do the exact thing my candidate has consistently done through out her career! Don't vote for him!

That really corrected my record.

>>49665911
>>49665980
Torpedoes certainly aren't as overall damaging as the big fuck-off guns like the DMC and Particle Triad, but they're almost a guaranteed 6 damage and do not miss (for long).
They outright cripple heavy cruisers, bring battlecruisers to nearly-crippled, and two of them will cripple any battleship.

>>49666021
>Not reaching the conclusions you want, then waiting until evidence supporting them manifests


On a more practical note, how about them dreadnoughts? We know about how big they'll be, but in pretty sure nobody expects them to just be BBs with 15% more hull and weapons. What kinda doodads and gimmicks are you all expecting/hoping?

>>49666162

Then there's the Corruptor Torps Scourge get. 2pts less damage initially but inflict a Fire Critical that can't be repaired (?)
So, as long as you use it before turn 6, you'll do the same amount of damage over time to whatever you hit with it.

Hit someone on turn 2 with it, and by the end that Torp will have done 9pts of damage to the target.
However the only platforms for them are the Dragon a 8" move Battleship, and the Manticore, which is move 10" with Full Cloak and Stealth, so, on the first turn you can put yourself 4" away from the centerline without any spikes.
Next turn if there's someone 18" in front of you, you can just go silent, travel 10" forward and vomit out the Torp.
Best case scenario they're within 10" so you can actually overtake them and fire your Stryx tier CAWs at them as well, and on their activation they either move away from you and possibly out of their scan range and certainly firing arcs, or take a spike and come about or station keeping to try and keep you in arcs and range.

The Dragon meanwhile get's two of them but I don't think he's going to close the gap before turn 3 at the earliest, and as earlier stated I don't thing the Dragon get's enough Launch capacity to make up for the difference in consistant damage that the Demon has.

>>49666161
I just don't want anyone to get their hopes up. Neither side is going to help. Bernie might have tried, but he can't do much now and probably wouldn't have gotten far even if he was elected.

>>49666256
Four impel weapons on a Shaltari one for maximum spinning. UCM quad lasers that can combine into one big laser. Scourge with the beast rule.

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>>49666256
>>Not reaching the conclusions you want, then waiting until evidence supporting them manifests
>not willing evidence directly into being through black magiks
>not hacking the zeitgeist
>with no survivors

>On a more practical note, how about them dreadnoughts? We know about how big they'll be, but in pretty sure nobody expects them to just be BBs with 15% more hull and weapons. What kinda doodads and gimmicks are you all expecting/hoping?
Honestly, I really am hoping for something like that for the UCM, something like pic related. Out of all the factions, just a big upgunned battleship for their dreadnought makes sense for the UCM.

I do expect something a bit more gimmicky for the Scourge, PHR, and Shaltari.
For the Scourge, I wouldn't be surprised if they had a combination mothership/CAW monster dreadnought; something that can just sit on location, drop troops, and shit out multiple profiles of high powered CAW.

For the PHR, maybe an experimental nanite hive? It has little conventional weaponry, in order to mount massive communication and control arrays to guide swarms of free-floating nanites against enemy ships; corruptor rule, lots of attacks, and the ability to just chew through smaller ships or focus on bigger ones.
Alternately, a 6 launch super-carrier with some of those medium turrets for close-in defence and a big fuck-off cannon.

For the Shaltari, I'm expecting a not!deathstar, a mobile station rather than a ship (or at least a huge, overly geometric ship) with a singular, extremely powerful weapon that can decimate fleets. No idea what it would be, but a Shaltari superweapon that fucks with space-time as just an incidental effect would be schway.

>>49665911
Do you get a save against torpedo damage? Obviously if it crits the hit then armour would be ignored but otherwise 3+ armour ships will shrug them off 2 times out of 3

>>49666256

Well, there's a couple of unused ship and weapon traits in the book, so I'd expect a fair number of them to get a look in.

I'd expect to see Reinforced Armour and Regen get used here. Hell, you could make the argument that all the dreadnaughts should get Reinforced Armour, although only Scourge and PHR could realistically be using Regen.

Maulers are apparently: CAW BTL's that have a lock value equal the enemy armor -- PD works normally.
I could see that being used by Scourge with their armour weakening shenannigans.
We all know what Beast does and it's obviously a Scourge rule, but is it meant for a Dreadnaught? Dreadnaughts are meant to be tough, a ship that keeps crippling itself every turn doesn't sound that tough.

>Swarmer CAW: requires +1 PD success to negate each hit/crit.

Because PD wasn't useless enough already right? Might actually work on a PHR ship since PHR don't have a decent CAW platform aside from the Minos.

>Distortion: each hit increases the damage of each hit -- described as a space-time wormhole like effect.

Well, this is a Shaltari weapon if ever I saw one. Unless the PHR Dreadnaught get's something even worse than the DMC. But a gun with say 5 attacks, all which increase the damage by the amount of hits they inflict, would be goddamn terrifying. So you hit with 3 dice, and those 3 dice each do 3 damage.

>Fusillade (X) -- when a ship goes weapons free, this weapon get +X attacks

I feel there's a couple of subpar PHR ships that could have really benefited from this on some of their gunbanks.

>>49666481
>I feel there's a couple of subpar PHR ships that could have really benefited from this on some of their gunbanks.
Really, all of the PHR ships could have done with it.
Fusillade(1) for light guns, and Fusillade(2) for medium and heavy guns. (halfsides).

Weapons free Orion and Hector are now putting out 12 attacks per side, while the Achilles is now putting out 8 per side. Even with the heavy guns being less effective the mediums statwise, I feel that would push over the top to be a valid choice, especially for the ones on the battleships.

>>49666671

I'm not sure the Achilles needs it, since 4 3+ shots is what a Rio or Moscow will be throwing out most of the time anyway.
But the others probably could do with that buff for their points so it'd be strange not to upgrade just the Achilles' guns.

>>49666479
Nothing I am reading says you don't get a save. It is just a regular attack.

That said, this makes sense. There is little you can do to stop a torpedo attack. Going evasive with your expensive ships for more than a turn it just going to eat up its use and is not even sure to stop it since it keeps coming back unless you hit that six.

>>49666481
Crippling damage twice is pretty devastating, but every weapon moving to 2+ is pretty awesome. Once a ship hits crippling damage, you are likely to take around 2-3 damage. If you roll a 5+,5+ you can hit the table again at around change 10% of happening. Even if you roll 3 times the worst you can get is doing 9 damage, which is barely enough to kill a battleship. The odds of this are extremely low.
That is still scary, but we don't know how tough dreads actually are. The jump from BC to BS is 4 DP, with just that change even 3 of the worst crits possible won't actually kill a dread.

A daemon would get 8 attacks at 2+ with scald, a 3+ burnthrough with limit 8. We can also assume they get more weapons two. So it looks like beast would be very much a blaze of glory attack.

>>49666716
The problem is not compared to other faction's ships, it's compared to the medium guns.

Hey, it might even make the Perseus viable.

>>49666738

It's not "Rolling Twice" it's rolling for crippling at the end of EVERY activation.

WHERES MY SHIT YOU ANGLO CUNTS FUCK YOU REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>49666820
DO NOT BULLY

>>49666825
Hawks are supposed to be unerring and fast.

>kickstarter comments back to bullying Hawk
;_;

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>>49666825
FUCK THOSE SLIMY AUTISTS AT HAWK. I CANT WAIT ANY LONGER. IM TIRED OF SEEING THIS SMUG LIMEY FAGGOT'S FACE

>>49666863
DO NOT BULLY DAVE

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>>49666863

>>49666869
>>49666825
Is this a new meme?

>>49666890
It's an old one.

>>49666890
It's the dankest around.

>>49666863
Why is Dave not painting my ships?

>>49666844

Hawk is just trying to find Old' Nicks box to throw in the Thames.

>>49666998
Jej

>>49666764

Oh man I misread that twice that is rough!

But maybe we got this all wrong. Instead of a dread maybe it is a light cruiser suicide ship with lots of light guns. You fly in unload your shit and then if you some how survive get another turn in the true murder zone.

It might even pair with regen. So the chances are that you will die after a turn, but it is more of a slow bleed to death verse an out right one.

>>49657373 here

emailed bird about missing ships
f5ing furiously

Should I start building the ships I have got?

>>49667115
>Should I start building the ships I have got?
I don't see why not, go for it breh.

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>>49667038
You know, I could see this idea, but make it a sort of Nano-Hive Fire Ship - rapid speed, middling HP, but can be detonated at will to disperse armor-eating nanomachines onto everything within a certain distance for massive damage over time - the risk being of course that if it gets popped off in the middle of a friendly squadron, things would not end well.

>>49667038
Games are six turns max. You probably won't get crippled in turn one. Just saying.

I would like to say the story in the rulebook about the laser gunner is the most AD VINDICTAM thing ever

>almost destroys his own ship with the gun's exhaust heat to make sure the ayys don't get away

HERO OF THE UCM

>has thousands of backers
>some spent hundreds of dollars or pounds
>hurr let's ship the liutenant plebs' packages first!

>>49667277
Give us poor sods without the rulebook the TLDR summary, bruh.

>>49667296
>being a faggot
>not clearing the warehouse of tiny plebe packages and making sure the dispatch system works before moving on to the more complex pledges

>>49667303
Basically it is a scene of a BTL gunner repeatedly telling.his engineering team to shut up he is busy as he tries to shoot down fleeing enemy ships. The cruiser is falling apart around him but he won't stop firing.

>>49667317
>being in this much denial

I bet you're a Trump voter.

>>49667277

Basically

Dudebro gets woken up in the middle of the night. Shaltari are acting like cock doing hit and run attacks on his Berlin. Dudebro is weapons officer in charge of the laser. Shaltari try to get away after straffing his convoy. Dudebro lasers one killing it, but draining the capacitor. A few hedghog cocks realizing they can't out run the laser with full speed opt to shields up and then continue to run. Dudebro lasers one hard pushing the reactor to its limit and doesn't let go of the button until rodent BBQ. Engineer is pissed and dudebro is like nigga please; I am killing bitches here, wake me up when there is more.

>>49667409
>Trump voters are patient and logical
>Shillary/Bernouts areally impatient and greedy
Like pottery :^)

>>49667469
Imagine that EVERYTHING IS FINE image with the dog replaced by UCM mask guy

>>49667401
>>49667469
HERO
OF
THE
UC OF M

>>49667409
>injecting politics into an issue that has nothing to do with it
Seems like something a Trump voter would do. I'm onto you, you damned Trump voter.

Seriously though try to avoid shitting up the thread

>>49667223

Wait so does the DMC inflict crippling every turn for the rest of the game? That's absurd

>>49667570
No, just on each hit. So 5/3/turn. :^)

The 'beast' rule was what was in question.

>>49667590

Ah I see.

I do enjoy that the majority of crippling results do at least 2 damage and that all that crippling has to do is hit

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>>49667534
This. As much as I love talking politics, shouldn't be in here.

Unless we're talking DZC/DFC politics, which has actually been quite interesting. Haven't read all the phase 2 fluff yet, but from what folks are saying it sounds like the story actually...you know...advanced. Which is an odd feeling, especially if you've ever had experience with GW.

>DFC 2.0: Reconquista in D comes out
>PHR have upgraded the DMC to the Event Horizon Cannon
>it's an Area: S weapon that's Damage D6 when the template is centred over an enemy ship

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>>49667628

>opponent scans my Beijing with a Europa turn 1, shoots it with the Heracles in the same group
>fuckin rolls armor cracked

>>49667727
I think scourge basically are evil, possibly through no fault if their own. That's not really politics though, kinda.

I think the PGA are interesting as heck, and probably bear little resemblance to an actual republic because muh theocratic singularity.

Nobody else is strictly wrong, even if they're all kinda dickish.

>>49667795
>PGA
PHR, fucking auto correct.

>>49667795
>PGA

Wat.

I'm convinced the Scourge started out as a weapon. Their physiology and culture are both insane.

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>>49667795
The more I learn about the Scourge, the more I see them as being incapable of understanding evil as a concept. They strike me as having been around so long that they've essentially 'outgrown' any sort of morality and embraced survival entirely. They do make the perfect bad guy, I think - they're brutal, alien, and relentless in their struggle to survive, and they're perfectly willing to genocide a species if it means continuing to exist. I could be completely misreading this, of course.

Meanwhile, the Shaltari are just dicks. The PHR are dicks too, but the Shaltari... the phrase "Why? Because we can!" seems to suit them perfectly.

>>49667858
Being synthetic seems reasonable. Less amusing orks.

>>49667774

Cobra laser that motherfucker right back

>>49667795
>PHR not a republic

I think it is supposed to be implied that the PHR are basically human puppets. The tennis ball controls everything and they are drinking the kool-aid so bad that they don't even care.

It really all depends on if the ball is bad or not. Given the themes in DZ it is likely that it is fucking dark grey at best.

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>>49667774

>feel like hot shit with my dragon, going to shit on my PHR friend with it
heracles shoots my dragon. Rolls a 4 and a 5 to hit. Crippling rolls from the hits do another 4 damage.

>>49667795

Apparently the white ball is fairly hands off as far as a ruler goes, the humans rule themselves in 99% of matters. It's interesting because having a networked posthuman population is a neat way of having a true democracy where everyone can actually voice their opinion on a piece of legislation in real time.

Then again it's called the PH REPUBLIC so they very well may still have representatives instead of direct democracy. Still a neat idea

>>49667795
They're believably evil. I could see how parasites that spent thousands of years killing to survive could end up as universally evil as they are, especially since their culture is so collectivist. If you're wiping out these guys anyway and they just killed your buddy, why not enjoy yourself as you ruthlessly slaughter them all with your horrific chemical weapons?

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>>49667887

>cobra laser him right back

Go ahead and call the Berlin baseline, it can't un-5+ armor save you

>>49667821
>PGA

Marcus Barros, Ace Golfer

>>49667887

>supposed to be implied the PHR are basically human puppets

I thought Dave went out of his way to imply the opposite

>>49667940
Do PD and Armor saves stack?

>>49667795
>>49667887
>>49667902
We don't know much about the PHR, but we do know that the Sphere only gives grand, overreaching, long term orders as well as giving them new science to chew on.
For the most part, the Viziers are the government.

Something else that's interesting is that, according to someone on the forums who asked Dave about it, the PHR are far more "worldly" when it comes to galactic events than the Shaltari.

The Shaltari are much more technologically advanced, but they're so advanced that they don't really give a shit about anything other than themselves (at least in general) and recruiting younger races to do the fighting for them. The PHR are much more aware and involved in the galactic going ons, and are aware of something BIG that the Shaltari don't seem all that concerned about.

>>49667993

PD comes after CAW/launch hits are rolled but before armor, so yes

>>49667902
>giving xXShadowStormAsassin666Xx a vote on every issue
Yeah, if you want trickshots and killstreaks to decide everything. The viziers are at least a bit better, and some of them are downright professional.

>>49667887
>I think it is supposed to be implied that the PHR are basically human puppets.
I'm pretty sure the white ball only chimes in on matters of massive importance and beyond that just observes. I don't recall any implication of the PHR being servitors for the ball besides UCM propoganda.

>>49667999

Here come the Scourge^2

>>49667999
>but they're so advanced
and ancient*

can you even get the center of a Hades within 1" of a building? At least without wedging the corner of the building inbetween the legs?

I keep trying to drop buildings on Hades and they're never close enough to actually take damage

>>49667887
>I think it is supposed to be implied that the PHR are basically human puppets.
I don't know what was supposed to be implied, but that was definitely never implied.

>>49667940

Chad Tinycock, I am calling up my girl Berlin with her hot friends the New Cairo Twins.

We will see how things go then.

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>>49668067

Y-yeah what are you going to do, wreck my 4+ Save pussy with your heavy, rock hard heavy guns

>>49668023
>>49667967

What I mean to say is that they will listen to it above all else because they believe themselves to be superior. And they trust in that system so much they wouldn't notice it if they were getting scammed.

It is still actually a republic just the cult of belief is so strong they would never vote against things.

>DFC rulebook is 224 pages
>my shitty scanner takes about 50 seconds to scan a full page, plus 10 seconds for me to realign
>every 20 or so pages it has to cool down for 5 minutes
>it'll take me over 4 hours to scan the whole book, at maximum efficiency
fug

>>49667999
The iron testicle is probably a deserter from that big threat, which is why it's so concerned about the whole thing and has such sweet science.

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>>49668110

Apparently the Ball very rarely chimes in and they listen to it because the few times that it does, it's been completely right.

>yes good goyim, save humanity from the scourge, shaltari and race X

I mean I guess

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>>49668113
Remember anon, what you do here echoes in eternity.

And we'd be really god damned grateful, too. I know I'm sitting here, chomping at the bit to get my stuff. Having a sneak peek would be just the thing.

>>49668149

>yes good goyim, save humanity from the scourge, shaltari and race X
Truly, it is our greatest ally.

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>>49668266

>yes good goyim, reach biological immortality, give everyone an amazing standard of living, make professional work something people do voluntarily rather than based on income and turn society into a network of peers and their elected representatives.
>now die to prevent humanity from being wiped from the Galaxy

Somebody stop him

>>49668478
>and turn society into a network of peers and their elected representatives.
Everything else sounds good except for this bit tbqh.

Imperial Kingdom of Post-Humanity when?

>>49668478
I've seen the quality of peers the PHR has to offer and I want nothing to do with most of them. The tennis ball seems like a cool guy provided it's trustworthy, but the smarmy cunts who work for it are intolerable.

>>49668524

The difference from straight up feudalism would be that every citizen is a peer, it's more like Jeffersonian democracy where he assumed the voter to be a competent intellectual.

>>49668680
>>49668266
> PHR
> assumed to be a competent intellectual

>>49668672

as much as we meme about Marcus he's actually a pretty fair guy in his description and while confident, doesn't seem to be all that smug. The other two famous commanders were fairly reasonable. I think the only actual douchebag we saw from the PHR was the Menchit pilot in that short story and he was just arrogant.

where PHR get their douchebag reputation is their strategic and tactical decision making which is extremely cutthroat. I don't blame UCM guys for not enjoying those parts

>>49668713

Compared to what the American voter base turned out to be in contrast to what Jefferson thought they'd be, yeah.

>>49668149

Vega humans may or may not have been saved depending on if the white ball is ultra evil or not.

Currently PHR haven't saved anyone from anything that is for sure. All they did was murder a bunch of UCM and let a bunch of resistance die.

>>49668772

How long has it been since the reconquest started as of phase 2?


And on a tangential note, doesn't DFC essentially "start" simultaneously with Phase 2? I remember Ferrum being attacked in phase 2 and that's the DFC 2 player starter box scenario if I'm not mistaken.

So, both Barros and Felix are Grand Viziers; how long until we get a Supreme Vizier named character? Are the Supreme Viziers the upper-tier of the PHR military, or are they also the upper tier of "civilian" PHR government as well?

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>>49658504
>Ideal World

>>49664586
>Reality

Hope over fear..

>>49668724
The Hades pilot who ran around stomping UCM dudes was a dumb asshole, and Caine is a huge bitch. Arrogance seems to be a common trait among the rank and file, with the Hades pilot and Menchit pilot both getting fucked over by it. That Siren who pulled off her trick shot against a Firstborn was also arrogant, but it paid off in her case.

>>49668772
You were warned, though. :^)

>>49668880

Well the Hades dude was out of guns at the moment, he didn't exactly have many options

It's been a while since I read Jocastas blurb so you may be right, I just remember her being a fire crotch fighter pilot jock type.

Menchit pilot was a dumbie I agree, but then again he has to have been to pilot a menchit

Sirens totally act like arrogant super models. I guess nobody wants to argue with them.


That's why I like immortals, they're just quiet and consummately professional

>>49668851

We're not sure, I think it's been hinted that Vizier is almost a social rank rather than a military one but take that with some salt

>>49668953
He had nanomachines. The main gun was also still operational but that might have been overkill. And even if he wasn't crushing people to death for fun he still assumed that his foes couldn't possibly hurt him and rushed forward to squish one that was acting highly suspicious.

And iirc when Caine kills off UCM patrols she usually leaves a single survivor with a taunting message for the recovery team, and she does this solely to piss them off.

Of the two xenophile technocratic posthuman factions, who is more of an asshole; the PHR or the Vanu Sovereignty?

>>49669136
The answer is of course the Aeon Illuminate[spoiler/]

>>49669123

Yeah sounds pretty arrogant. I think if I remember it correctly he was using the nanomachines to repair himself and didn't think they were worth using on mere infantry but as we saw, not the correct response.

Oh yeah Jocasta sounds like a bitch.

>>49669136

Name literally one thing the VS ever did wrong.

>>49669183

Cybran civilians? Don't exist, blow up that hab block.

>>49669183
They weren't post human, were they?
Exactly the right amount of asshole though.

>>49669136
>Vanu
Anon please, I don't need to be sad today.
>tfw PS2 will never be what it could have been
>you will never hold skydock for a day and a half ever again with your outfit
>you will never have an entire squad of magriders boosted on top, all outfitted with AV plasma and Sarons
>you will never have the rest of the outfit decked out as AA heavies and AA MAXs with engy support
>you will never again destroy entire fleets worth of fascist aircraft as they rain dozens and hundreds of galaxies, mossies, and liberators on your position

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>>49669220
>Name literally one thing the VS ever did wrong.
They stopped being TR.

>>49669299

There's still a decent continent lock population and fight on prime time hours, I was a long time PS1 player so even the player count now is way above what I was used to playing with pre-PS2 but post BFR.

my gf had just moved in when they announced PS1 was being taken down for good, I didn't even learn about it until a week later. It was as if my childhood dog had died after I left home and nobody told me

>>49669366

Only after the good TR leader was assassinated and the evil one put in power

>>49669406
Oh, don't make excuses. You plasma humpers still would've betrayed us eventually if the second coming of Jesus was in charge. You just can't mix with non-xenophiles, it was never meant to be.

>>49668828

DFC starts during phase 2 October 2671 and ends like Jan 27 2672 D-600

So just a couple months.

>>49669539

All the VS wanted was to be allowed to do their thing with Vanu. If they hadn't been stopped from doing that they wouldn't have bothered to leave in the first place.

>>49669541

Huh cool.

>>49669541

I wrote that all fucked up.

DFC is story ends 3 months after phase 2 book. There is not much new in the way of story, just an updated planet report for everything.

>>49667887

material implies that there seems to be a council which was somehow elected.

>>49669628
Probably elected by the ball.

Wait, let me rephrase that. Hopefully elected by the ball.

>>49669708

>hopefully elected by the ball

Nah it's an election to determine Chad-Prime. The winner gets to live in the Frat House of Power

So, looks like captains and commodores are shipping, but three things.
>seems a fair bit seem to be getting delivered without shipping emails
>some backers are missing the stickers for the bases
>starter sets do not come in the retail box

Also, meme drama on the DFC facebook group; apparently no posts allowed expect for boxes and cats because too many people were whining :^)

>>49669708
An election with just one voter is generally called a "nomination", anon.

scourge made planetary assault on ferrum, trying to kill as many as they can with land based nuclear weapons. but they are not in good shape for now, and are to be lose.

scourge also strikes alumina with small fleet, poisoning the sea to wipe out alumina's fishing industry. but they were encircled by reinforcement and wiped out

recently, scourge lands on wulfrum, targeted for max civilian casualty. but as you all know, wulfrum is penel-mining colony with closed environment. so scourge is having bad time confronting the 'civilian'

it is certain that the war of attrition is novel concept to scourge.

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>>49669777

Poor little slug guy

>>49669750
To be fair, cats>drama lamas over shipping.

>>49669777
Scourge absolutely B T F O

>>49669750
>>starter sets do not come in the retail box
Do people actually care?

>>49669842
>backers and normies
>not throwing a shitfit over every single little thing

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>mfw my friend gets his order but mine isn't here yet

I swear to Christ I'll glass his fokken dad mate.

>>49669777
>A penal mining colony has its own senator
Why?

>>49669810
Jellyfish found dead by self inflicted stinging.

>>49669856
Just steal his models bro. Then expertly paint them for him, and return them all gift-wrapped when your own stuff arrives.

>>49670044
I could do that.

They've arrived at my house 'cause he's away.

UCM declares that eden prime was recovered. and raises the first legion of eden prime that consists of former resistance.

ucm lands on Elysium. shaltari fleet comes in aid of scourge and their land force distracts ucma. but their fleet was crushed and ucm controls most of Elysium now.

some phr troops are trapped as of reconquest 2

raid on Europa that was planned in reconquest 2 was came into action.

>>49670078

>some phr troops are trapped as of reconquest 2
in Olympus prime. nothing changed from before.

>>49670078
>ucm lands on Elysium. shaltari fleet comes in aid of scourge and their land force distracts ucma. but their fleet was crushed and ucm controls most of Elysium now.
FUCKING HEDGEHOGS

>>49669777
>>49670078
Is there any fluff in the book that isn't UCMwank? I get launching a new game with the "protaganists" doing well is a sensible thing to do, but this is sounding pretty ridiculous.

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>>49670044
>steal his models bro. Then expertly paint them for him

>>49670134
>books literally written from the UCM perspective
>not fluffed a little bit, or focusing on the successes and failures of other facts that don't relate to th UCM in anything but a passing manner
>UCM completing their operations objectives with acceptable losses in addition to several front being stalled and costly is "wank"

>>49670173
I agree with you, but it does sound like the book is mostly in favor of the UCM. From what we've heard, vastly so.

>>49670134

there are some bad news for ucm, but they were already documented in reconquest 2. nothing novel.

something from persepone.
phr forces come and gone persepone for two times. ucm was irritated by this and engages phr fleet. ucm suffers horrible losses. but phr flagship sank and fleet commander was slain, phr fleet retreated.

>>49670173
But they haven't lost anywhere. The big scourge counterattack is a complete damp squid geddit? GEDDIT? with the UCM defeating several massive invasion fleets while the majority of their forces are away in the reconquest having conjured forces from...somewhere. It sounds like the whole thing has damaged the scourge far more. They've been stalled on a couple of planets, but "stalled" is hardly a loss. On Elysium they've been on the wrong end of a 2-on-1, including technologically superior aliens, and "crushed" both.

So, yeah, it absolutely seems like factionwank. I liked the UCM because they weren't like 40k humanity, they were grounded and realistic, but they might as well be fucking space marines with the asspull victories it sounds like they're getting.

And what does it being written from their perspective have to do with anything? You can have reports of defeats from a faction's perspective.

>>49670327

one thing i forgot

massive shaltari fleet assembled for aaru. which includes mongols, longtime enemy of humanity.

>>49670134

The books have never really been UCM just from UCM perspective. All of the rulebook is about humans getting their asskicked and getting ready to counter attack. Phase 1 is about the counter attack and the massive casualties that followed with some success.

Phase 2 is all about how while there have been plenty of successes there have also been plenty of failures.

DFC is just an evolution of phase 2 followed by Scourge attacks on UCM home worlds. All the planets mentioned in phase 2 nothing different really happened.

Meanwhile, from the attack on Aluminia 60% of the UCM's staple protein source is gone. A billion people died on Ferrum and the world is has been nuked repeatedly leading to radiation fears. On Wolfrum, has a strong enemy force on the ground.

Ferrum is mostly won and Aluminia scourge presence is gone, but serious damage was done. And a new front is open on Wolfrum. There is also fear of attacks on other colony worlds. The only real victory for UCM in DFC is that attack on a Europa water purifiying station, which is basically a doolittle raid.

>>49670430

I legitimately want to know how the scourge found any intelligence on the UCM worlds, like where their fisheries and industries are

>>49671003
Shaltari. Duh.

>>49671003
Probably the fucking hedgehogs.

>>49670349
>having conjured forces from...somewhere
Defense fleets and ship fresh from the yard? Ground forces that are being constantly raised, trained, and produced? Do you honestly think that the UCM would be so stupid as to not consider (and prepare for) the possibility that the Scourge could find them?

> but they might as well be fucking space marines with the asspull victories it sounds like they're getting.
Have you forgotten that the UCM has been preparing for this for the past 150 or so years? Almost their entire economy has been given over to building and training the largest war machine in all of man's history, as well as planning several simultaneous planetary invasions and occupations.
The UCM may be the most low tech major faction, but they are by no means unprepared, undergunned, or the hopeless underdog.

Also, see >>49670430

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>>49671051
This. Never trust the Ayy's, for they are treacherous and ever-scheming.

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>>49671051
>>49671052

God fucking damnt

Can someone post the Shaltari assembly instructions that were posted a few threads ago?

>>49670349

In addition to what was already stated

it is made clear in several books that the UCM advantage of surprise is now gone and soon so will the overwhelming odds they were able to bring forth.

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>>49671180

>backers LITERALLY getting angry about not getting the starter set box
>the box itself
W E W

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>>49671490
People will complain about anything and everything anon. It gets a bit depressing after a while.

>captcha asks for houses
>shows me a giraffe

captcha pls

>>49671490
I can understand that, desu.

Not being rude, but wanting the box.

>>49671575
I mean, I want the box too, but it's such a minor thing to get angry and negative about!
There's so much shittalking and whining in the comments that make this project look like an abysmal failure, but it's all minor bullshit once you take the time to look through it.

These chucklefucks are making Hawk look bad, which makes DFC look bad, which makes it that much harder for me to get a presence going in my area and to actually get some damn games.
I don't understand why they have to whine about every little thing publicly, rather than contacting Hawk directly.

>>49671575

I was surprised as well there was no box, but it is such a minor thing.

The boxes probably where not ready yet. So they jumped right to shipping instead.

Anybody have any DFC or DZC wallpapers?

>>49671826
check the hawk instagram page

I get why some backers are annoyed - apparently some of them asked if they could substitute the UCM or Scourge starter fleets for a PHR or Shaltari one, but were told they couldn't because the contents of the starter box were set. Given nobody's apparently getting a starter box, just various sprues plus the books/tokens/etc., I can see why people might be a little narked to now have these UCM/Scourge sprues that they didn't want.

>>49672327
I would assume that Hawk did originally plan to have proper starter boxes, but something happened and they had to cut it to get dispatch and general release underway.

If they had known this delay would have happened from the start, I'm sure they would have allowed you to pick and choose.

Waiting was already hard enough. Now knowing that it could arrive at any moment without warning is making it even worse.

>>49672327
And that is why the commedore pledge level was added.
It could simply be that they already planned orders for an equal amount of UCM and Scourge sprues. If you start changing up those numbers it becomes a mess quickly, especially if you already have contracts.

Dont forget that the PHR and Shaltari were stretch goals.

>>49672362
Yeah, probably. I guess the actual starter boxes could have added a whole extra stage of delay because the things need to be packed individually into said boxes once the rulebooks came in. This way they could just put the sprues etc. in delivery boxes and add the rulebooks when they got them.

Just imagine if they'd not only packed starter boxes, but sent them off en masse to be cellophane wrapped, and waited for them to come back, before starting dispatch...

Out of interest, what pledge level are the "superbackers" on the comments section?

>>49672453
Those are just people who have backed a lot of projects before, not necessarily a high amount on DFC.

>>49672463
Ah, gotcha.

>>49672463
>>49672453
That fact makes at least me think that they should be aware by now how kickstarters work, and that there are delays. Alas, that is not the case.

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>>49671433
Reminder that these instructions require "scrutinising" to work out which you need to build for which ship, and it's "open to errors". Apparently.

>>49672533
>ship names on the reverse are presumably "Obsidian class heavy cruiser" and the like, or can be easily found out by looking in the rulebook
>generic hulls are named "cruiser", "heavy cruiser", "light cruiser", etc
>HURR I CAN'T FIGURE IT OUT
HOLY FUCK
THIS ISN'T A GOD DAMN TITAN
IT'S A LITTLE SPACESHIP WITH TWO DOZEN PIECES AT MOST
LEGOS ARE MORE COMPLEX

>>49672533
> Hull options are coded A, B, and C.

Did this person even look at the instructions? Perhaps they should get some other type of glue or some proper ventilation beause someone clearly isn't right.

>>49672661
To be fair, they said that the [sic] "back of the sheet with the individual loadouts doesn't have the needed base hull labeled", which we don't know for sure if it's true or not and if they're just fucking blind or retarded (unless a kindly anon who has gotten their stuff would like to take a pic). But again, you can easily collate the names of the variants with the book if it doesn't outright say "X heavy cruiser".

>>49672533
While this guy seems like a cunt, I too would be pretty mad if I had a bunch of missing or incorrect items.

>>49672716
Agreed, but it's unreasonable to assume an immediate response from Hawk while they're in the middle of dispatch, much less for them to prepare a new package for you and send it out.

>>49672791
>>49672716
Yeah, just let them finish the packing and get some rest.
I'm sure they get to fixing all the fucks up that inadvertely happen when you're packing 4000+ boxes as soon as possible.

>>49671340
>
Don't forget as far as the war goes, nobody's touched Earth, which is the Scourge stronghold. It's fleet is so massive that the UCM hasn't even CONSIDERED attacking it with anything save the Europa raid and recon until a hypothetical Phase 3 pending successful neutralization of nearly all other scourge forces.

The only hope there seems to be Idris Elba's XCOM project, which isn't doing much yet besides hanging out in Manhattan.

>>49672944
>The only hope there seems to be Idris Elba's XCOM project, which isn't doing much yet besides hanging out in Manhattan.

DZC mod for XCOM2 where you play as resistance forces against the Scourge when?

>>49672944

Well it's Idris Elba, so he'll either be unleashing some sort of Bioweapon on them, or piloting a giant robot by the time we get to Phase 3.

>>49672944
I thought that fleet got thrown into the Olympia thresher as piecemeal reinforcements as specified in phase 1 and 2?

Leaving the UCM desperately trying to replace losses, but broadly victorious, both in occupying the system and inflicting mildly disproportionate losses on the Jellies?

>>49673044
>I thought that fleet got thrown into the Olympia thresher as piecemeal reinforcements as specified in phase 1 and 2?
Portions of the fleet got diverted; the UCM are trying to bleed put the Solar Scourge by drawing their fleet to other fronts.

>>49673129

The UCM haven't been winning everything, but the Scourge are definitely on the backfoot losing far more than they are winning.

I think what we will see if Scourge attack another race for bodies expanding both them and bringing another faction into the game.

The difference between the Scourge and UCM here narrative wise is the UCM is backed into a corner. They need to fight and win or they would die out.

You could always say the Scourge call back forces they sent on an invasion or some BS like that to give them more numbers.

>>49670400
> tfw finally going to reclaim that worthless planet that is important to us for some reason

[feelsgoodspinerustling]

>>49672533
> entitled.png

ftfy

UCM Setbacks:
Asgard ambush strands landing force, UCM loses ability to reach the system.
UCM home worlds are invaded and assaulted. Though repelled, there's still billions dead.
Fucking Salakhan.
In general, being played by the PHR like a damn fiddle.

>>49674355

It would make sense if that was a scared site or something and the fucking hogs tried to give it to us so it would piss of the mongols.

>>49668055
Nope

>>49669123
>and she does this solely to piss them off.
It's pretty well established that the PHR's douchebaggery policy is intended to benefit mankind via the judicious use of justasplannedonium.

>>49656718
This game looks really neat but I don't think anyone near me is gonna play it.

>>49674540
The ball's the one with the long term plans. Individual douchery within the PHR is still just douchery.

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You occasionally see some really great stuff in the facebook.

>>49671003
Probably by looking at them

>tfw ordered Scourge paints
>everything is shipping
>except for the magenta and plasma fluid tints
fuggg

>>49674571
I'm planning on buying a 2player starter set (I'd prefer phr, but not neato bundles) and doing demo games at my lgs. Asked them about putting something on the calendar and everything.

Hoping it will come so I can go out and engage in any non-work meatspace interaction at all before I completely forget how to.

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Bravo to Hawk!

>>49674571

Were you live at bruh?

>>49674471

Salakahn was beleaguered by some shaltari. don't know why.

star Casablanca was blown up with a-bomb. glad to hear that, the name was so horribad. i wish romagrad to be erased off too.

>>49675200
I'm a dirty britbong, I live near-ish to a city called Manchester.

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>>49674742
I saw that too. Looks like Tamiya Clear Red and an airbrush are moving up a couple steps on my list of things to buy this winter.

>>49674751
>all that delicious homegrown studio scheme
Oh god even the Scourge look great
Who's collection is this, I need to see if they have a hobby blog.

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>>49674751
>no res
I am jeolous though anon, i need more armies
>>49674471
didn't the scourge show up at aurum with a fleet that had been hiding in the void for years.
Pretty fucking big set back
ARE YOU ANONS READY FOR THE SHALTARI GENOCIDE.

>>49675504
Nope, no hobby blog, just some guy on the DZC facebook group, it looks like.

>>49675528
>ARE YOU ANONS READY FOR THE SHALTARI GENOCIDE.
URCHIN ANNIHILATION
BEST DAY OF MY LIFE

What if the scourge were made by the Shaltari?

On one hand, the scourge have fancy tech. The shaltari have fancier tech. (Fancy enough?) On another, the Shaltari are factitious, and have been shown to recruit other races into their intra-species fighting.

The Scourge allege the shaltari have led them to multiple (three?) other races and watched the Scourge triumph. That means the Shaltari must have been aware of them for quite a while. All of the Scourge's history?

It's possible it's part of scheming between clans. Clan A makes scourge, sics them on Clan B. Clan B grabs peon race delta, which fights and gets eaten on their behalf. Clan B throws peon race gamma into the meatgrinder. Centuries later Clan A is worrying their precious creations are in danger of dying out without food, and decided to pre-empt clan B by throwing the Scourge at the humans who will extend the Scourge's use-by date by a few centuries...

I don't know. It doesn't feel likely to me, but it certainly feels plausible.

>>49675689
It's been stated that the Scourge are the big dicks on the block in the galaxy for the most part, so it seems unlikely that they're a pet project (that is still under control) of the Shaltari.

>>49675729
True, but they hardly need to be under control for other shaltari to still be making use of them.

The Scourge know the Shaltari are playing them. The real key is: They don't care. They're totally cool with being burnout junkies who snort other races, run out of money, get evicted, then try to find a new source.

Perhaps that's actually a good reason why the UCMs doing well against them. The UCM's spent the last 150 years building for war against the scourge. The Scourge spent the last 150 years living in the only somewhat useful burned out ruins of the old human empire, running out of bodies again and desperately trying to breed more bodies. And haven't yet fucking put down Immortan Joe, Lord Humongus, John Connor or Harriet Tubman, all of whom had armies operating on one of their main planets.

>>49675398

http://www.hawkforum.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=7244&p=63125&hilit=manchester#p63125

Try these guys bruh

>>49676079
>Scourge are losing against the UCM because they're fucking retarded and only lasted this long because the Shaltari keep enabling them
Sounds about right.

>>49676079
See, I could dig that.

Honestly, the scourge are pretty clearly a terror weapon. The orkz from w40k have a certain brutal efficacy to them, but the scourge are just spoopy, body-crawly horror. The only thing that makes them seriously badass is their ultra-collectivist society, their numbers, and the tech from the previous societies they've eaten.

I know we're assuming the Shaltari are responsible for them finding the cradle worlds, but I think that HOW they managed to 'leak' that to the Scourge is significant. Do the Scourge even use foldspace the same way humans do? Did they leak "oh, UCM uses this ftl frequency" or did they have to drop a fully working UCM drive into their jellytentacles and then demonstrate how it worked a few times?

>>49676186
>cradle worlds
colonies, but that too

>>49676186
Honestly, I don't think the Shaltari are actively "leaking" anything to the UCM. Remember, the Scourge are building a fuckton of those 40 meter long FTL capable ships and just shitting them out all over the place, similar to the random method of exploration used by humanity when they started getting into space.

I think it's less the Shaltari directly influencing the Scourge, but rather "chumming the waters", so to speak, by putting primitive species where Scourge scout ships are likely to be, and hoping they take the bait.

>>49676259

they can subtly guide scourge seed ship to the colonies undetected. it is surely possible as we already saw cargo ship Anastasia jumped to eden.

>>49676304
True, but that's less "handing the Scourge the UCM's FTL frequencies" and more of a wink wink nudge nudge kind of influence. They're not outright assisting the Scourge, but they are playing at some kind of game.

>>49675689
See from what i remember, humans were being manipulated into fighting a "rival shaltari clan" and being the disposible targets for that
what i think is that the scourge is the answer to their fear of death, this hive mind.

>>49676327

they don't seems to have uniform opinion about reconquest.

some shaltari definitely want both sides to fight much longer until both sides kill each other.

>>49676259
>>49676304
>>49676327

It is possible the Shaltari just told them. Went to lizard space after seeing some scouts probe shaltari worlds and said attack us and it will be touch, suprise attack these fools and it will be easy.

They said nothing about the colonies to keep the human race in their back pocket. They could just say 150 years later, we found a bunch of juicy targets for you. Except the UCM did one better and got ready for reconquest which would eventually be a shaltari problem as the human race decided to stop fucking around. So now two birds with one stone.

Despite loses UCM is on the path to victory against the scourge until Dickhogs tell the scourge about human colonies, just enough to keep the conflict going and bleed them both dry.

>>49676442

one of my thought.

1. shaltari breeds some prospecting race by giving them good environment, in case of human, cradle worlds.
2. the race fights with scourge, weakening scourge outright.
3. but all of them have failed until now.
4. they did it too for mankind.
5. someone want to fuck shaltari made tennisball.
6. tennisball hampered humanity readiness, preventing mutual killing.
7. tennisball maker, shaltari, scourge haven't anticipated about fringe colonies becoming war machine which desires revenge.
8. phr found ucm, shalt might be. scourge being rekt could disturbs some plot of tennisball maker. so phr tell ucm not to start reconquest.
9. by all surprises. ucm was very successful. scourge beaten back.
10. shaltari were confused, don't know what to do. to let scourge die or to let scourge live.

>>49676572
hmm thats not a bad theory. Good way to make the tennis ball not seem like the one true way.

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>>49676572
>>9. by all surprises. ucm was very successful. scourge beaten back.
I am pretty sure the scourge have back up fleets hidden somewhere, even then i don't know why the ucm doesn't try just to destoryall of their production capabilities and then ground war.
One way or another the reconquest is hundreds of days behind scheduled. Millions are dead.
Tactical blunders everyday.
>>10. shaltari were confused, don't know what to do. to let scourge die or to let scourge live.
genocide is painless
but it brings on many changes
and i could kill the shaltari if i please.
Seriously though they are planing to murderfuck the ucm and the scourge and from what i gathered a lot of the UCM's success is from the Shaltrai fucking up the scourge behind the scenes

>>49676572
>tennisball hampered humanity readiness
One issue with this theory is that the way the books describe this is humanity is utterly roflstomped when the Scourge show up. Like massively outnumbered and outgunned. Having the full human fleet unified would have ended up the same way except with many more human deaths as the abandonists wouldn't have escaped mostly unscathed.

>>49676777
One important thing to remember is that the Shaltari aren't one big happy family. Each tribe has its own goals, and I wouldn't be surprised if pro-Scourge and anti-Scourge alliances were formed and have respectively been hindering or helping the reconquest.

>>49676830
You're missing the point of that part. It would also have ended with many more Scourge deaths. Humanity would still have been soundly beaten, but with their military intact they'd have weakened the Scourge war machine far more than they did.

>>49676572

Continued.

It should be noted that scourge don't seems to build new warships, just a seeder scouts.
Giving us 2 possibilities.
1. They have hidden hideout out there with fancy shipyards. Reinforce might be on the way.
2. They somehow aquired their warships before that can't be rebuilt now.

But both situation is ok for shaltari if they want to weaken scourge by using humanity.

Also we can know more about phr and tennisball plot after their home soil was found.

>>49676830

No one expected humanity returning with battlefleets. So abandonist blunder doesn't fit for shaltari goal. mankind is expendable for them.

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>tfw you literally cannot wait any longer
>tfw you're reflexively checking your email for delivery notices even at 12:40 at night

We did this a couple dozen threads back (How many threads have we even had by now?); post songs that fit perfectly with factions.

I still maintain that German techno suits the PHR perfectly
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NmISCeqtJvw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5LCHxwnS_mY

I have some PHR and Scourge models coming someday and I'm hoping to magnetize them. Does anyone who's had a chance to do some assembly have any advice in that regard? I'm a little concerned about the PHR prow weaponry and the Scourge heavy cruiser head-fins.

Shaltari emerald mothership has awful gates that hurts to cut off at the circular part in the center.

>>49677568
Where are you cutting the channels, anon?

If you're cutting them at the join between the mothership and the channel, you're doing it wrong.

>>49677363
I've been pruning a tracklist for weeks. But rather than ride this ship into its fiery atmospheric demise, I'll post it next thread.

New thread, commanders.

>>49678293
>>49678293
>>49678293

>>49669299
>tfw will never exchange fire with dirty xenos lovers across a tech plant with my gauss saw while hundreds of people are fighting and dying all around.
>tfw fuckin TR crash our party with a gal drop
>tfw when that used to be only a small front during an alert and is now usually the only fight if you're lucky
>tfw no more crown 3 ways.

It hurts. I'd gladly go back to bitching about mossies and bullshit VS MAXes over no game.

>>49678353
>you will never again organize a 5 platoon gal drop in warp gate
>you will never crash all hundred or so galaxies into the crown
>you will never be one of the few surviving squad leaders, just barely getting your beacon down on the spite
>you will never bring the wrath of vanu down upon the defenders, drop pods crushing them all on the landing pads
>those 5 platoons worth of men will never be repelled regardless, since the interior hallways are packed with defenders like sardines in a can
I honestly miss the day and week long crown-fights, in all honesty.

And although it was pretty cancer, ghost-capping bases before the hex-link network was put in was also pretty fun
>outfit platoon
>two squads of LA
>one squad of mechanize support
>one squad of infiltrators
>LA squads set up on cliffs in SE Indar, infiltrators go in the long way around and pre-hack a few terminals
>DROP DROP DROP
>two dozen angry as fuck LA touch down in the base and quickly dispatch whatever pubbies were milling around
>mechanized support comes sweeping around, locks down the spawn room, and takes out whatever incoming sunderers and enemy armor was heading our way
>take base, quickly resupply and repair, and move on to the next
>if we moved fast enough we could take three territories, maybe four, before some enemy platoon organized a response and caught us in a proper firefight.