Thornwatch closing; you can make it better

>penny arcade
>kickstarter

fucking NOPE

$78 sounds like a little too much for this game.

They run a goddamn gaming convention and they need help funding something for 80k? They're worth fucking millions.

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Is it OK to storytime the comics?

>>49652848
Those were nice, but overly-praised.

I'd rather have a Thornwatch based on Symbaroum.

>>49652840
This. Seriously, fuck all the big guys who use Kickstarter as a preorder mechanism.

>>49652770
I can understand the hate of Penny Arcade, but what exactly is wrong with Kickstarter?
This is my first time backing anything, anon; what should I watch out for?

>>49652810
To be honest, you have me there. I thought it was expensive too.
If it helps, they're including an expansion for just 5 bucks.

>>49652840
Fair enough. For me, personally, it's not like I wouldn't buy this fucking thing the second it came out, so it's all good.

>>49652861
Please, tell me about Symbaroum, anon.

>>49652840
Kickstarter is unfortunately being used more and more as a risk reduction system by a lot of bigger groups.

>>49652848
The art is so bad.

>>49652980
>This is my first time backing anything, anon; what should I watch out for?
Terrible products which have already made back the money spent on them by the time they're produced and before they can get any negative reviews, as well as blatant lies about the final content of the product and the timeline it'll be produced in. Same as any preorder.

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>>49653102
Well, fuck me.
I'm going through with it, but thanks for the warning either way. Just hope I don't have to learn it the hard way.

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Last story.
There are also published Lookouts comics. A real shame they were cancelled.

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Seems every Daughter, so far, has one of these guys? I assumed they each bonded with different creatures, depending on their personalities and aptitudes.

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I forgot.

Print and play Version: https://drive.google.com/a/geekyhostess.com/file/d/0Byjyih2D6m24RkQ1SndQY3lfc28/view

Print and play Rules:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0Byjyih2D6m24TFdGOVZsTlJnZnM/view

Of course there's no time to print, gather your friends, play, form and opinion, and still back; but at least to give you an idea of what the finished game's gonna be liike.

Oh goodie a shill thread.

>>49653721
I just played this last night, it's a hell of a fun time. It's a game that encourages narrative roleplaying during the premise dungeon crawls.

This game is good for getting with your group to play a game but you don't feel like setting up a whole RP session. It's also good practice for describing combat beyond "I roll to hit"

>and there's still time to unlock more cool shit.

Quite a clever trick that, makes your customers do your marketing for you.

>>49654180
>makes your customers do your marketing for you
It's just talking about stuff you like. I know how /tg/ is mostly talking about stuff we hate, but this is fun too.

>>49652810
This SO MUCH. I was kind of excited to see this KS start up, but then I saw the price tag and noped the fuck out of there.

Penny Arcade is still relevant? I don't mean Pax and such but the actual webcomic?

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>>49652728
Ey, thanks OP! Loved those old comics and I haven't heard shit about this being turned into a /tg/, so getting a heads up with 6 hours to go on the KS was noice.
I can concur it's a bit on the expensive side but idgaf, so are most boardgames these days. And getting the expansion for a fiver was a decent consolation. The fucking shipping going for 33% of the total cost was rough though, but such is life in non-murrica Zone.

There's one comic left unposted, no? The one in winter with the owl monster?

>>49653331
>>49653497
Best grill

Did any of you guys writefag something up for one of the submission things? I think at this point I'm more interested in the album than in the game; I wanted it back when it was 100% a role playing game, but they'be gone in a different direction since then.

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>>49654531
The strip comic... exists. It's not BAD, but pretty shrugworthy these days? It seems they've cut down on the commission-making of comics and sideprojects too? Which is a shame because the Krahulic guy has actually gotten a pretty badass artstyle...

>>49652728
>78 dollars
>Kickstarter, at all, despite PA being millionaires

No thanks, you can buy a self serve ad or fuck off back to >>>r/shekels

>>49654531
To put things in perspective, PAX is its own entity at this point and most attendees don't even know who Mike and Jerry are. Which, unfortunately, is sort of to be expected, since the whole "dickwolves" thing really damaged their reputation.

However, there's too much money behind the Penny Arcade brand to just let it die, so they pretty much just whore themselves out for publicity at this point while the convention itself is run by the PC police and e-celebs.

>>49654300
>It's just talking about stuff you like.

OP might be, but that entire kickstarter stretch goals idea? It gives the people who pitched in a vested interest in getting others to do so as well. Many probably don't do anything much about that, but some will be affected, consciously or not.

The whole thing was made all the more obvious in Square's Mankind Divided preorder scheme, but some of that is found even in your normal kickstarter, especially for those where a kickstarter wasn't in any way necessary, ie it's all more of a pre-order.

A clever trick.

>>49656098
>most attendees don't even know who Mike and Jerry are. Which, unfortunately, is sort of to be expected, since the whole "dickwolves" thing really damaged their reputation.

If people dont know who they are how would having your reputation being tarnished matter?

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>>49656098
>since the whole "dickwolves" thing really damaged their reputation
This I never understood? The strip was pretty funny and I never saw any real criticisms from sources other than fringe tumblrs?
>pic related
The aftermath was that the PA guys said they were sorry for maybe taking a joke a nudge too far and that was that, noone gave any more shits?

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>>49655456
>getting a heads up with 6 hours to go on the KS was noice
Yeah, I should have done this yesterday. Hope it was soon enough for you, anon.

>There's one comic left unposted, no? The one in winter with the owl monster?
Shit, you're right. I even saved the pics, but immediately forgot to post them.

>>49652728
So what is the game? Coop dungeoncrawl against the system? The high production values make me kinda interested, but one player having to be the DM or some shit would make it less hot?

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>>49656356
Coop dungeon crawl, but yes, there is a DM. Doesn't seem nearly as much work as actually GMing a roleplaying game, though.

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It took me so long to understand this story.

>>49656321
Well, I guess you could look at it that way. If you must. But then you can't make it part of the narrative how the SJWs are coming to destroy everythign you love, their insidious tentacles slowly but surely strangling the life out of whatever it is you see as your last bastion when nothing else gives your life any meaning.

>>49653015
The bigger groups tend to be fairly easy to spot and heckle or ignore. If a triple-A game studio comes to kickstarter, you mock it. (Think: Deus Ex preorders) If a company who has used Kickstarter before and delivered on their promised product to the level expected comes to kickstarter again, you consider (Reaper Miniatures). If a person offers something you have no interest in, or something that interests you but the price is too high, you simply ignore it.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vx9DTDDG8lc

As others have said, it's way too expensive. Like, I'd pay 40 for that, especially as a Kickstarter, maybe 50.

Also on a much smaller note

>penny arcade
>artwork is doing absolutely nothing for me.

>>49657315
Sweet. I can wish the game will arrive before next easter so I can play it with buddies at the local gaming convention.
>;___;

>>49654531
They sure are. It's still pretty good, too.
>>49653031
No, it's not.
>see i have opinions too

>>49657940
The pages following the first one, in the pilot episode, are a little bit iffy, but those were outsourced to an acquintance of the PA team, since they were blindsided by the response on a one-page concept they'd just cobbled up. I'm not gonna be too autistic about that.

>>49657990
Yes, after the first page it drops in quality. The later ones Krahulik did personally are great, though.

I had the chance to play this at PAX East two years ago, and it was completely different. I haven't had a chance to play since then, but the print&play version I have is interesting.

>>49652848
B^U

the tumblr is strong here

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>>49657653
Yeah about that Easter thing...

>>49658096
What? The art style looks nothing like Buckley's template technique, and it has nothing to do with blogs.

>>49658111
Goddammit. Oh well, that was pretty expected. I'd rather see them spending an extra month or two on putting out a solid game than rushing out shit.
>This kills the /v/ product

>>49656410
I think one can expect to see a DM app alá Descent to show up?

>>49653102
Kickstarter is basically pre-ordering something before you know exactly how good it is. Currently, i have only backed 4 Kickstarters, and I am happy with what I got from all of them. One of them was kind of an 'impulse buy', but I got exactly what they were advertising.

I think most of the 'terrible Kickstarter' stories come from people having no idea how much VIDEO game development costs.

>>49656181
One thing I backed was a webcomic artist wanting to having a printed copy of it. For that one, all the stretch goals (that I can remember) were for things like better paper or additional printing techniques.

>>49659790
>pre-ordering something before you know exactly how good it is
Isn't that just pre-ordering, though?

>>49659867
Yeah, I suppose I might have been redundant there by saying the same thing twice in two different ways.

The main difference is that for preorders, the thing is going to be made anyway and you just want one of the first copies. Kickstarter is (supposed to be) for projects that don't have the budget for the final mass production. So if there isn't enough backers, the product never gets made.

>Terrible art.
>High price tag.
>Shit looking game.
Would

Not

Buy

>>49660005
I really don't get why people put his art down like that. How is it terrible? If you don't like it, fine, but how is it terrible?

>>49660046
Because it's low quality trash despite them doing it for eons?

Check out the ssss artist, some little girl and it's 25x better.

>>49660085
I don't think Minna would like being called a 'little girl'. Anyway, her style is much more detailed than Gabe's, but I still like them both for different reasons.

She's about the same level of skill, she puts in more detail, and he makes far more material per week.

>>49660159
the WoD thread is over here: >>49626856

>>49652848
This isn't so bad.

>>49652892
>>49652993
>>49653006
>>49653029
These look like someone ran them through a funhouse mirror.

>>49653225

Honestly I would be shocked if so. The company making this has a ~great~ track record, there have been multiple well received public play tests and art assets are pretty much all already posted by the artist. There is very little for them to mess up, and not receiving product is nigh impossible.

>>49656602
SJWs are unwitting pawns in the CIA's evolved manipulation program. They are surreptitiously fed subconscious programming that compels them to infiltrate and destroy hobbyist communities.

Why? Because men involved in these communities do not procreate and provide new cogs to the economic machine.

>>49661409

> >>49652848
> This isn't so bad.
Drawn by Mike Krahulik.

> >>49652892
> >>49652993
> >>49653006
> >>49653029
> These look like someone ran them through a funhouse mirror.
Drawn by guest artist Oliver Grigsby.