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1st for pain and suffering

this one's for you, Ork/SoB players

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Fishin for replies on my GSC list.

Gonna have to proxy a fair few of these cult icons but fuck it whatever.

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>>49644660

>Every time someone says 'Orks are'

HQ: Commander (85)

Strike Team
5x Fire Warriors with Pulse Rifles
DS8 Support Turret with Missile Pod (65)

Strike Team
5x Fire Warriors with Pulse Rifles
DS8 Support Turret with Missile Pod (65)

Strike Team
5x Fire Warriors with Pulse Rifles
DS8 Support Turret with Missile Pod (65)

Strike Team
5x Fire Warriors with Pulse Rifles
DS8 Support Turret with Missile Pod (65)

Strike Team
5x Fire Warriors with Pulse Rifles
DS8 Support Turret with Missile Pod (65)

Strike Team
5x Fire Warriors with Pulse Rifles
DS8 Support Turret with Missile Pod (65)

Strike Team
5x Fire Warriors with Pulse Rifles
DS8 Support Turret with Missile Pod (65)

Strike Team
5x Fire Warriors with Pulse Rifles
DS8 Support Turret with Missile Pod (65)

Strike Team
5x Fire Warriors with Pulse Rifles
DS8 Support Turret with Missile Pod (65)

Strike Team
5x Fire Warriors with Pulse Rifles
DS8 Support Turret with Missile Pod (65)

Strike Team
5x Fire Warriors with Pulse Rifles
DS8 Support Turret with Missile Pod (65)

Strike Team
5x Fire Warriors with Pulse Rifles
DS8 Support Turret with Missile Pod (65)

Strike Team
5x Fire Warriors with Pulse Rifles
DS8 Support Turret with Missile Pod (65)

Strike Team
5x Fire Warriors with Pulse Rifles
DS8 Support Turret with Missile Pod (65)

Strike Team
5x Fire Warriors with Pulse Rifles
DS8 Support Turret with Missile Pod (65)

Strike Team
5x Fire Warriors with Pulse Rifles
DS8 Support Turret with Missile Pod (65)

Strike Team
5x Fire Warriors with Pulse Rifles
DS8 Support Turret with Missile Pod (65)

Strike Team
5x Fire Warriors with Pulse Rifles
DS8 Support Turret with Missile Pod (65)

Strike Team
5x Fire Warriors with Pulse Rifles
DS8 Support Turret with Missile Pod (65)

Strike Team
5x Fire Warriors with Pulse Rifles
DS8 Support Turret with Missile Pod (65)

Strike Team
5x Fire Warriors with Pulse Rifles
DS8 Support Turret with Missile Pod (65)


Total: 1500

>>49644768
Orks is only gud for da dropz.

>>49644609
Not a fan of the Blood Raven standing in for what is probably supposed to be a Blood Angel.

>>49644776

Please stop spamming m8. We get it, you can use Battlescribe and/or a calculator. You could have at least posted that list as

"1500 pts tau
Command 85
###x strike team with r2d2, 65 pts each"

But you just want (you)s don't you?

>>49644810
No, I just saved them in Note Pad, don't be a dick. Not everybody is a shitposter and not every post you don't like is one, either.

>>49644831
Fuck off, shitposter.

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>>49644660
F...fanks spiky panzy boyz.

>>49644786
>Orks is only gud for da dropz.
You'ze need to be stomped.

>>49644810
>spam
>send the same message indiscriminately to (a large numbers of Internet users).

1. He didn't send the same message
2. He did not do it indiscriminately, this is the right place for it
3. There isn't a large number of people in this thread, there is barely a dozen, if that, if we go by the IP count, there's 4.

Don't like it? Click the arrow, click hide. There, done. Like I did, I don't go and insult a guy contributing to the thread, with relevant shit, instead of >Orks >Melee Race >I2 xD and >BUSTY ROUGH RIDERS XD and other shitposts.

Well, that's me out, the late night shitposters are here, pointless attacking people for no reason. Why does this always happen late at night or just before a thread ends or just begins? Enjoy list 'spammer', you can have fun with this.

>>49644883
Yeah there's like a dozen and he's the one doing the most posts and taking up the most space with what appears to be a 'shits and giggles' list.

Not even OR and it's pissing me off.

What constitutes a character model?

>>49644949
A model with the character rule on its profile.

>>49644949
Most sergeants and such will be characters.

Independent characters are different in that they can jump in and out of squads and jazz.

Is taking 5 immolators and 2 exorcists at 1000 points too much?

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How are Chaos Space Marines these days? Just had a local GT of 34ish guys and no one was playing them.

>>49644744
it'd be easy too covert some. you just need a flag on a stick and most fantasy players should have a bunch of spare banners they'd be willing too part with.

>>49645010
That should tell you what you need to know.

Not the worst army, but itt's not really competative either. Lower end of the mid tier, if they use formations. Otherwise Ork tier.

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>>49645010
Phil Kelly wrote the rule-book
hell turkey is worse, still great but now it's just slightly worse
traitors hate wasn't bad but with all the cool shit marines get i wonder why i play chaos marines(tabletop simulator casually) at all.
Kharn is sexier than ever.
vindicator formation is strange.
Too many random tables

Does anyone know if the mega has the new Death Watch codex? I can never seem to find it.

Canadian fag here, where the fuck do you guys buy your magnets? I tried to buy some off ebay twice and all I got was fucked in the ass... I didnt even get my magnets!

>>49645087
The random tables are awesome.
They just need to be fair.

>>49645162
Amazon, dude.

>>49645163
As in- balance-wise having a random table should be a straight up % points cost reduction.

Actually, do that for Everything.
Mob Rule should make everything Ork cheaper.

>>49645174

Everything Ork should be cheaper anyway by virtue of what it is.

Like none of their infantry save for Mega Nobz should be over 10 points and their lord of war shouldn't even be over 400 points as things stand right now.

>>49645060
What formations do you think are good?

>>49644776
>1 HQ and 21 Troops
Illegal m8. 6 troops max for a CAD so you need 4 HQs (but you don't have the points so you need to cut out a few squads. Might make you need 3 HQs if you bump them down to 18 Troop choices.

You'll still get your arse clobbered though, it'll just take people ages.

>>49645223
>Illegal

I think you mean "Unbound".

>>49645217
Check out Traitor's Hate. Not an earthshattering improvement, but enough to push them away from Orks and into the bottom mid.

>>49644776

>INCOMING MISSILE BOMBARDMENT

no but seriously, you're 2 fire-blades short, and you're gonna have 75 points spare

still, would fight with kabalite hordes/10

>>49645235
>Unbound
Well the list is like 1/10 power-wise. At least if you make it Battleforged someone will entertain the notion of playing you at least.

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>>49645163
>The random tables are awesome.
dude
the size of the table is what i was on about
about 36 different options, while not being a slaves to darkness/lost and the damned era.
Come on it's pic related
not that i don't love that era

>>49645239
I've got it, which formations from it do you think are good?

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>>49645162
did you get a refund? i've never had a problem with ebay, besides buying stuff with terrible paint jobs

>>49645009
isn't that the standard list?

>>49644776
eh, i'll bite because i'm bored. you have no counter for av12-14, no markerlights, you left the commander nude when he's the best damn unit you got with plenty of great options, you're also doing an illegal list though with another hq you'll be able to do double CAD, if you're using that many dudes then get some etherals/fireblade/hologram guy in your list, and your British firing line will fold to anything that can survive a few shots

>>49645325
Not him but the Chaos Warband makes everything you take Objective Secured, meaning what you can't win by force like a lot of armies can due to having an actually good codex, you can win bytaking and holding these things.

Tough units are fairly plentiful for CSM, mostly the nurgle variety. Bikers and Spawn of nurgle f.ex are T6 and fairly cheap for what they give.

I wonder actually. with Lords of the Black Crusade you can take Typhus. If you take a Lost and the Damned formation, can you turn those cultists into Zombies and have them still under the effect of the formation to come back from the dead?

>>49645325
Helforged Warpack, Cult of Destruction, the Lost and the Damned.

Also is anyone, ever, anywhere going to use Trinity of Blood?

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>>49645325
Favoured of Chaos is great if you want to run possessed.

Chaos Warband is solid

Cult of Destruction reminds me i play 4th legion

turkey Terror pack is two turkeys can't complain
Maelstorm of Gore seem okay but i don't zerk

Raptor Talon fixes some of the problems with raptors but not enough. Still deepstriking and swarming a couple units sounds good

>>49645399
It does say, ANY in the ARMY with him,
pic related

>>49645417
signs point to no

>>49645399
Is the auxiliary part of the core formation? I understood it as all units from the chaos warband get obsec, but not the command or auxiliary choices.

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>>49645441
No, the ObSec bonus is only for the Chaos Warband core choice, which would be your main army BUT it doesn't allow all choices. No cultists that's for sure.

>>49645439
>Regenerating Zombie army
You came to the wrong neighborhood, loyalist scum!

Where do I get flamers for neophytes? Also, how many hand flamers are in the acolyte box?

>>49645366
>standard list

Not quite. Usually it is 2 exos, 3 Immos, Seraphim, and Celestine

>>49645682
Enough for all 5 Acolytes.

And ebay, I guess.

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>>49645417

>Helforged Warpack, Cult of Destruction, the Lost and the Damned

Throw in the Berserker formation and you've got an Iron Warriors warband practically.

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What's the biggest dick move you've witnessed?

>>49645682
Ebay, bitz sites, friends at your store (I personally swap Tzeentch and Nurgle Chaos bitz for my buddies Slaanesh and Khorne bitz) or buying more Guard squads.

>>49645815
>you can a single unit of three Vindicators
Don't those warlord traits specify 'non vehicle models'?

>>49645784
Necron kid tried to tell me my own army's rules, even though he was wrong. Refused to accept the correct interpretation and confronted lgs' owner over it, owner sided with him because his dad makes their terrain. Fuck that store.

>>49645865
This was quite a few years ago, haven't gone to that store in awhile.

what is the general opinion of forge world models and how many games would I get turned down for fielding some?

>>49645863
That warlord trait in particular specifies no vehicles.

>>49644883

M8 he started posting in the last thread and spammed 5 lists in a row. None of them were even remotely serious and all were formatted to be as annoying as possible.

Fuck him

>>49645784
i once blew up a land raider turn 1 back in 4th with a lascannon from a command squad, the guy looked hurt as he slowly put away the model

>>49645815
>csm player has to cheat to win
Fucking hilarious.

>>49645439
>>49645417
I dislike the warpsmith tax on the helforged warpack and cult of destruction. Lost and the damned cultists don't have objective secured and are useless when the dark apostle gets taken out, plus you have to bunch them up to be effective with them. They're not scary in CC and spawn are better for tarpitting. Cult marines don't get obsec in a black crusade detachment, which makes plague marines around the galaxy cry bitter tears. I really hope the next chaos black crusade book comes with better things.

>>49645888
Depends on the forge world model. Depends on your local scene.

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Quick what do I do if I swallow a miniature whole? A rocket launcher space marine to be exact. Would it destroy my throat on its way out because as far as I know its easy to go in but hard to get out. Thanks in advance.

>>49645923
Well you make it to Terra, so that's a plus.

On the downside, the Sisters of Silence are coming back to replace SoB.

>>49645953
Go out and find nearest designated shitting street.

>>49645953
If you actually managed to somehow do that, go to the hospital.

>>49645953
how the fuck did you manage that
call a doctor/go to the emergency room

>>49645955
Thats the dumbest rumour Faeits ever posted.

And hes posted some dumb rumours.

GW isn't going to squat an army of space nuns and replace them with an army of nulls that died 10,000 years ago. At best, there'll be some intentional crossover between the armies- but considering how dumb the rest of the rumour was i think the entire idea can be ignored until a less retarted rumour comes along.

>>49645953
Take your child (I'm assuming it's your kid because you'd have to be an infant to be this stupid) to the doctor, you don't want it causing an intestinal blockage

>>49645953
Drink some bleach to dissolve the miniature.

Legal disclaimer: this will get you killed, don't do it. Any advice in this post is for entertainment purposes only

>>49645953
Eat some scatterbikes, they should wipe that marine

>>49646043
We've just ended up in an old woman and the fly situation.

What does he eat to kill them?

>>49646030
Bleach might damage the miniature anyway. Go to the ED and explain the situation; they need to call in the best surgeon they have to put a scope down your throat to remove the model before the paint job is ruined.

>>49646017
sometimes i wonder how GW still makes profit over keeping sisters metal and out of the loop. maybe it'd be more expensive to get rid of them, like how CVS still keeps VCR tapes on the shelves despite the format being outdated by 2006

>>49644609
>That Shitty Genestealer
>That Terrible Black Marine
>That Low Res Skitarri

Any yet still three orks and a grot.
If any Drawfags can mimic this stype of OP and add in the few missing factions and a chikin this would be a great OP Image.

I need to stop obsessing and spending money on this shit. I have like 2000 points of Sisters, ~1500 points of tzeentch daemons, and a bunch of Dark Eldar that I haven't even assembled yet.

Now, I want to get some CSM to go with my daemons and/or expand them because it's mostly just horrors and a some princes. I also want to get shit for Sigmar (which no one really plays here yet) and a few more sisters shit

What the fuck is wrong with me

>>49646108
>What the fuck is wrong with me
Nothing

>>49646088
that's basically it, there are conditions under which the cost of full liquidation exceed the cost of maintaining the unprofitable action, but if you are sufficiently focussed upon the here and now rather than the future (which we all know GW is) then you will choose to continue the unprofitable account.

>>49646053

Sternguard out of a Drop Pod.

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>>49646122

I don't believe you

>>49645325
Helforged Warpack is if you want to run mass Maulerfiends (which, to be fair ain't too bad).
Cult of Destruction is for mass obliterators.
One or the other, because paying for 2 Warpsmiths will eat up your army's points. They're expensive, as they didn't get any "point breaks" like the Techmarines in other armies.

Chaos Warband gives Obsec Bikers, but most importantly .

Beyond that, the people trying to run competitive Chaos lists are doing stuff like attaching a Cyclopea Cabal to Gorepack Hounds, though there's the occasional semi-null list with Huron and Daemons.

The Terminator Annihilation Force is "eh", but there's a potential gamebreaking RAW exploit in it, involving interpretations over whether Summoned units are part of the same detachment.

>>49646108
>What the fuck is wrong with me
Nothing if you have a good job and disposable income
Everything if you're a shitter with a McJob or still in school.
The only reason I am not buying more and more models besides both my my armies totally ~6-7000pts is because I don't have time to paint what I already have.

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>>49646108
I do the same thing. I have Vampire Counts, Eldar and Dark Eldar stuff I haven't even put together yet but I'm looking to get some Thousand Sons or Dark Angels to flesh out my Chaos/DA armies.

I'll wait but I really want some Deathwing Knights.

>>49646159

Its more than a McJob, but it's less than $13/hr.

I feel like I'm trying to play tons of armies that aren't even good.

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>>49646108
I have 4000 points of Orks
To be fair though about a 1000 of it is just the Council of the Waaagh

Save me

>>49646202
>I feel like I'm trying to play tons of armies that aren't even good.

That doesn't matter, anon.

>>49646108
too much time and money, i suggest you either get to painting or commission someone to paint up your stuff

>>49646125
i guess gw made too many metal models

>>49646229

Why not?

>>49646239

I wouldn't ever say I have too much money.

>>49646239
>too many metal models
Yeah, or they have sunk the cost in the capital to manufacture them only to find out that no one is interested in buying but they are contracted to their employees to keep them working on something.

There are a few reasons why it could have happened. Usually it has something to do with lack of foresight in contracting or some union issues, otherwise they would just firesale the minis and idle the machines.

>>49646275
You obviously like those armies, it doesn't matter if they're the most OP army or the weakest.

You build, paint and play armies because you like them, not because they're great on the tabletop.

>>49646286
>he thinks US shit applies to the UK

>>49646315
I was specifically thinking about the UK, although contracting issues can happen anywhere

>>49646315
>he thinks reality doesn't apply to the UK
no wonder you fucks voted brexit

>>49646327
>Wanting to leave the cancerous EU is a bad thing

Stay mad fag.

>>49645010
I would say it depends on the tournament structure. Chaos does have good/passable units, but the problem is that they have oversaturated slots and lots of little taxes to deal with (and lots of cross-referencing little formations too!).

Are you playing in a tournament that restricts Chaos to "No Forgeworld, One CAD only, Final Destination?" If yes, then Chaos is fucking awful. Are you playing in an environment more like ITC with more open army-building rules? It will get hazier then.

Traitor's Hate is stillrelatively new, and there's still a lot of saltiness going around. Yet Daemonkin got the same response for the units being lazy copypastes from two separate books, and yet it's breathed some life into Chaos. That's probably because being able to take Soulgrinders and Heldrakes in the same army is awesome, or it's probably because the option for army-wide FNP, or mass Bikers/Hounds by Gorepack. Personally, I think allowing Chaos "evil" copypastes of Loyalist Powers will give them a lot more flexibility than before.

can anybody access the mega? It's just hanging for me on the decrypting folder data

also, does anyone have a source for the old specialist games rulebooks. I'm specifically looking for necromunda and inquisitor.

>>49646327
EU is a sinking ship, Brits should be glad they have a chance to get out.

>>49646327

>brexit
>bad

I agree, real states are post-national and post-sovereign. What sort of fucking Nazi would want to control their own affairs?
t. Justin "If you kill your enemies, they win" Trudeau

>>49646366
>currency shits its pants
>b-but it's okay guys at least we aren't in that c-cancer EU right?

>>49646396
Great for exports. And the general economy is doing great.

>>49646299

I guess that's true. Sisters are by and large my favorite, but it feels like an abusive relationship.

I love the concept of pink horrors, but I absolutely loathe the current rules. It was "fine" in fantasy because big stupid blobs were expected. In 40k, they're just useless batteries unless I'm summoning more, which means I need more than the 40 I already have.

Dark Eldar, I do love the models and most things about them, but playing them is painful. Personally, I would LOVE to run a wych cult, but wyches are actually unplayable. It's disheartening and creating buyer's remorse something fierce.

>>49646275
well, if you're able to afford that much and complain about it then you're well off

Has anyone played/played against someone using Raptor Tactics and/or Lias Issodon? If yes, are they good, is their chapter tactics worth while?

>>49646396
uncertainty always hurts a currency.

>>49646396

>Currency stabilizes at a realistic rate
>"This is bad because reasons, please don't pay attention to actual indicators like interest, real employment, and inflation"

Yeah fuck manufacturing, who needs domestic jobs anyway? We should be outsourcing everything.

>>49644776
And it would still beat Dark Eldar

>>49646108
Why don't you play flying circus tetrad + fateweaver CAD? Not a lot of models to work on

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What's your guy's opinion on Lost Brotherhood Strike Force in the new Blood Angel's book? Thinking of running it but I can't decide between Archangels Orbital Intervention Force and Lucifer Armoured Task Force. Both just seem like really sexy picks to go with all them Death Company Squads.

Speaking of Death Company
>Black Rage: All Models in Death Company Squads from this Fromation and all Death Company Dreadnoughts from this Formation add 1 to their Attacks characteristic whilst they are within 12" of their Formation's Death Company Chaplain .

>That's 6 attacks on the charge.
>That's 30 attacks with 5 fucking models.
>All them reroll to hit and to wound.

Does this kill the Tau?

>>49646419
Raptor tactics are great in Kill Team.

>>49646432
>>49646423
>>49646403
>>49646396
>>49646393


The actual "brexit" hasn't even happened yet retards. It'll be a while yet before the UK can actually extricate itself from the EU.

But why are we talking about this here anyways?

>>49646495
Because /pol/ is trying to turn every board into /pol/

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>>496460
Dude,
GS cults, mechanicum and knights have armies now.
Custodi are getting lists and WHFB has been squatted on top of two things of plastic heresy marines.
We LIVE in stupid rumour times

>>49646495
>The actual "brexit" hasn't even happened yet retards. It'll be a while yet before the UK can actually extricate itself from the EU.
that's why there's the uncertainty. If they had the deals worked out already then there wouldn't be the need to hedge against a potential fuck up.

>>49646511

The guy who started it with his whole "no wonder you idiots voted brexit xDDDDD" shitpost is clearly not from /pol/, since that board is solidly pro-Brexit. Blame tumblr.

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What are your opinions on the Land Raider variants, the Helios and the Achilles and the Prometheus specifically.
I want to use one because the regular land raiders are only useful for their transport capacity but I'm not sure which. I was leaning towards the Helios because it looks cool

>>49646415

It's not like I bought them all at once, and I also had friends that stole shit. Like, I'd drive us to GW, play some games, and they'd just hand me shit.

I've been playing Sisters since I started, which was like 12 years ago and didn't have responsibilities. My biggest regret is not getting more immolators when I could for $35 each.

Daemons were a silly side project in 5th that just sort of happened and turned into something we all enjoyed.

Dark eldar were an impulse buy from having leftover tax refund and money from selling my old car.

>>49646435

I don't like using named characters because I'm probably autistic. Celestine is the only exception because SoB don't really have a choice, but I still use a Canoness and Command Squad.

Isn't a flying Tetrad like 1500+ points all by itself?

>>49646569
You can get a tetrad to fit in about 1200 points. Throw in a few tzeench heralds and some pink horrors and you should be good to go at 1500.

i want to get into tabletop, but i like tyranids. am i doomed to a life of misery? can i make tyranids good?

>>49646687
tyranids are fine unless you're into this too dominate the tourney scene.

>>49646687
ally them with the new gsc stuff and you can probably be very good. words still out on how gsc will do, but most seem to think very well. tyranids have to spam flying hive tyrants to be very good, so it depends upon how you feel about doing that sort of thing.

>>49646717
any recommendations? should i go for a swarmlord?

>>49646687
you can make them decent by putting wings on your tyrants and spamming them.

>>49646725
>>49646728
ok so flyrants. anything else? im way too green at this. been reading up on it, thinking about some zoans

>>49646554
hellios seems like the most reasonable on to me if you don't want to use a LR for a transport. Slap AA on it and just sit with it.
You don't get Phoserex on the Achillies and quad heavy bolters are only really good against hordes do the prometheus and reserve roll manipulation is not for me

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>>49646793
flyrants are fucking bullshit you can't fucking kill tem with 60 meltas.

>>49646793
unfortunately that's basically it, just flyrant spam. the concept of tyranids is very exciting, the execution is very boring.

>>49646965
that sucks, i would like to swarm enemies with the nids but ok. flyrants are the thing to do

>>49646978
Genestealer Cults.

>>49646985
so flyrants and genestealers?

>>49646793
Mucolids.

>>49647017
No, Genestealer Cults. It's a different codex to Tyranids.

They're a seperate army, they have Guard units as well as great infantry. More than just baseline Genestealers. Ally them with Tyranids.

>>49644660
I have a question. Do DEldar still hold the record for going the longest period without any codex or model updates, or have SoB and Orks actually overtaken them for neglect?

>>49646108
I limited myself to one 40k army, one Fantasy ;_; , one Warmachine, and one Hordes.

I won't start a second until the first is fully painted.

>>49646866
Was it 60 or 50 multimeltas?

Also who else was actually around for that original thread, that shit was glorious.

>>49646978
if you want swarm then swarm. flyrants aren't the be all end all for tyranids.

You'll enjoy losing with an army you want more than winning with one you don't.

>>49646456
>Does this kill the Tau?
No because you'll never get DC anywhere near charge range versus most shooty armies.

Even with a 6" Scout move (keep in mind that this means you'll have to start you guys on the board to even get this, meaning that if you get second turn you'll be open to getting wiped out by an Alpha Strike), DC will have major trouble getting up the board versus any player worth their salt.

At 23 points each (20 base + 3 for the near-mandatory Jump Pack), they're really fragile at 3+/5+++.

Also,
>Deep Striking anything near Tau, an army made of Interceptors
You're gonna lose a few Terminators before you charge even if you charge that turn.
Lucifer Task Force is also seems pretty easy to mulch by an even mildly cheesy Tau army.

The Angel's Blade Decurions in general are pretty bad. The good they can do is offset by the massive numbers of tax units in the formations. Most of the Auxiliary and Command formations are great, but the core choices are fucking god-awful.
The Decurion bonuses are also lackluster as all hell.

t. BA player

If I'm running GSC but want Tyranid allies, what do the 'nids add that GSC can't do?

How do gsc ally with factions besides nids and guard?

>>49647054
sisters only have pewter models Deldar have resin you high?

>>49647050
ok cool im reading up on them now

>>49647072
i do like winning but yea it would be nice to just have fun

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>>49647064
Pls

>>49647064
i was there too.
it was 60, started as 50 bolters i think.

>>49647101
High toughness/strength and AP2 attacks.

>>49647112
Come the Apocalypse.

Would a Tau Breacher ever volunteer to become Stealth Shas'ui?

>>49647154
shit, wanted to do cultist orks

>>49647126
you'll still win with swarm nids. it'll just be harder.

no matter what you pick as a noob you're going to lose most of the time until you get some experience.

CSM are even more kitbash than orks they are getting rolled into a varient SM list copying pyscic powers not adding any new units unless narrative etc.the rumor of the black crusade reaching Terra would be cool but it will prob wipe out CSm so they are so rare they become a chapter tactic or some suplimental model not supported army like sisters n gaurd almost. I think if the black legion does reach Terra and that's how the explain plastic prynarchs despite being weird way to judyifyy multi use 30k it could be good for the fluff because the guard needs to go the eldar need to change and the true hero's of the impierium need to come back. I'm still not sure on 8th I think it might just explain some codex overhals

>>49647058

For awhile, that's what I had.

Sisters in 40k (mostly painted) and Wood Elves for Fantasy (primed green at least). Then I got some Legion for WMH, but everyone I knew stopped playing.

I wanted more fantasy, but everyone at my LGS was all 40k all the time and actively hated fantasy because of one sperg. I really wanted to pick up TK whe. They got all their new toys, but couldn't justify it. Kicking myself now.
I'm hoping that AoS picks up so I can do Sylvaneth with my leftover Dryads. WE became Wanderers and sadly don't look fun at all.

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>>49644609
>tfw some assclown represented one of the first founding with a bloody magpie.

>>49647147
>High toughness/strength and AP2 attacks.
GSC do all of those better than nids except toughness, which they don't need.

They have 11pt infantry with S6 and Rending, and thats before applying Furious Charge or the psychic power that grants them +1 S. They have the ability to take two chainfists on every five models in their troops. They have Rending on literally almost everything and power weapons on the things which don't.

Also most nid MCs are WS 3 with no way to hit better. GSC are WS 4 base almost across the board, with Decurion bonuses that give +1, cheap upgrades that give +1, and they hand out re-rolls to hit from Hatred and other bonuses like candy.

Any word on a 2nd Warzone: Fenris book? Hopefully with some Grey Knight stuff?

>>49647101
Skyfire.

That's, uh, that's about it, sadly.

>>49647277
So is the answer just Flyrants then?

Should normal and Dangles Assault Squads get melta guns + plasma guns as options like Bangles and CSM do?

It seems odd that they don't.

Would you play against someone that bought and used those upgrades in a Codex: Space Marines army even though they aren't listed in Assault Squad profiles?

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Question for you Genestealer Cultist folks.

I really like Hive Fleet Kraken's color scheme and I want to do that for my budding GSC army. However, all I see are those purple/pink and blue Genestealers all over the place.

Is that the only color the Purestrain Genestealers come in now or something? Is it possible to do the other Hive Fleets?

I mean of course it's possible, they're my models, but do they HAVE to be that purple/pink and lue is what I'm asking.

Also, are Skitarii arms compatible with the new neophyte models?

>>49647284
Before the end of the year. Ful Tzeentch invasion, with shit like Silver Towers dropping out of orbit.

So yes, the Grey Knights are probably involved and likely are going to have something.

>>49647308
>>49647277
well guess I'll just bulk out my GSC until 'nids get a new codex. Thanks.

>>49645417
>Also is anyone, ever, anywhere going to use Trinity of Blood?

At 4000 points maybe.

>>49647329
If you're doing a fluff compliant force, then yeah, the Genestealers turn blue/purple once they become Purestrain.

You can paint them however you want though.

>>49647329

All genestealers revert to purple/blue when cut off from the hive mind. You can fluff it as them as just having been seperated though, who cares

>>49647101
AA and artillery

>>49647190
you still can. just can't deploy them too close. which is easy if you're infiltrating all the cultist units.

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>there will never be a wych cult supplement
>there will never be formations that make wyches good

I just want sex drugs and rape and rape

Feels bad man

>>49647315
Yes except I'm still not even convinced they really add enough to the army to be worth the points when I could just spend those on more Magi for summoning more free Acolytes/Purestrains with free maxed out upgrades.

>>49647116
sob haven't had new models for a longer time but deldar went longer without a codex
sob got a wd and then a digital codex without a single new unit/model

Yum so guards squatted if you want to play subflak guard play choas cultists n what's next for them if you want carapace armor play militarum pempestus and if you want flack play gene cults gw is going to split gaurd codex over three books to help the withdrawal .. I could even see skitari get them well via the FW titain guard already but perhaps the combined admech codex will feature small fw kits they can stock like upgrade sets etc. Its good for a guard player because it gives them options but bad for heavily invested just like end times. I think im going to go 3ways but in not holding out for IG book ever now so in theaming stuff heavy on chaos cults and militarum temoestus general idea is its a riot gone wrnog with 3 party's fighting was thinking hrud too as mutants or extra ogrin n ratlings of course for any list that needs some thing weird and chaotic I got my hardcover of astra mil finally this is the end its been funIG

>>49647101
flyrants, bring useless units to the table

pls ignore the crazy person who just came in.

>>49646222
8k since 4e. Minor expansion since then.
Save yourself, I'm done for.

>>49647429
I can only assume this shit is bait at this point.

Go take an english class you illiterate, run-on paragraph-spewing fuck.

>>49647054
DE first came out in '98
they had a revised codex with some errata/extra lists come out in '03 (with no new models)
their 5th edition codex came out in '10

that's about twelve years without miniature releases, seven without new rules

Orks have had miniatures released in every edition, but had no book updates in 5th and 6th.

Sisters have had book updates in every edition, but their last miniature release was in '04, which was about twelve years ago.

Technically speaking, dark eldar are still the red-headed stepchild for releases, despite their relatively recent revamp. You wouldn't think it from the way Sister/Ork/Chaos players bitch, though.

>>49647429
The Astra Militarum codex brings a lot to the table that others do not. Orders, access to Baneblade variants, tank commanders, veteran squads....

Other then that your post is a bit like crying codex DA and codex SM have similarities.

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Knight Genestealers when

>>49646548
>Everyone from one place shares an opinion.
>Everyone who shares an opinion is from one place.
It might not be a /pol/uter but it belongs in /pol/, unless we're talking about odds on cheaper FW minis.

>>49647540
thats because DE have gotten beautiful models and a shit codex. But they have gotten something.

SoB have nuffin. And even their models are going away, like the immolater kit.

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>>49647429
>you do not format your posts for ease of reading.
>you do not have anything resembling sentence breaks.
>your posts are gibberish
>this is not the first time you've done it.
If you are trying to bait then you've failed, barring this (you).
Just stop posting.

>>49647557
>pound down, cheaper minis.

This is always a two edged sword, it also means GW will have less revenue/profit, and their numbers are already falling. Ofc a big part of GW spending is their stores which will not be affected by currency fluctuations.

However so far the changes are rather small and GW has much of their business in britain.

>>49647401
if you want too reliably deal with flyers a flyrant, hive crone and some mucaloid spores is an allied detatchment that gives you AA and another infiltrating unit.

If 40k is meant to be a casual or narrative campaign style game then why is there such a desire to have tournaments. I understand people enjoying competition but is 40k really the best system for determining who is the best player?

>>49645325
Warband is "inferior to loyalist gladius but okay tier." Everything else is shit. Don't listen to the retards and shills that try to tell you that Traitor's Hate was anything but a lazy, uninspired piece of shit. There's literally no reason the Black Crusade detachment couldn't have just been folded into the Black Legion supplement.

Seriously, look at these morons trying to pretend that formations that require a 110 point Warpsmith tax on top of already overcosted, ineffectual Daemon Engines or Obliterators are good.

>>49647551
now.
nothing stops you taking knight detatchment with your GSC army.

>>49647398
>I just want sex drugs and rape and rape
>Doomrider never
feelsbadman

>>49647574
>SoB have
I am not stating an opinion here. Just relaying the actual factuals.

Sisters have, like it or not, gotten a lot of attention from the studio in comparison to the DE drought.

>>49647631
>If 40k is meant to be a casual or narrative campaign style game
yes

>then why is there such a desire to have tournaments. I understand people enjoying competition but is 40k really the best system for determining who is the best player?
because lots of people like tournaments. No its not the best system but if you have a 40k army already and you like them you're going too want to play a 40k tournament.

>>49647663

Nigger what?

Dark eldar have an entire supplement with more formations than SoB units

>>49647663
I know, necrons have had a similar position.

I meant this as a reply why you do not see DE players bitchin so much. Currently apart from a completly uninspired codex and a few singlepose finecast models(Grotesque, Beasts) DE are in rather okayish shape.

>>49647631
>If 40k is meant to be a casual or narrative campaign style game
That's a lie perpetuated by retards and shills in an attempt to justify GW's incredibly lazy and poor rules writing.

If your supposition was true, the rules would place a much greater emphasis on homebrew and altering things to fit your narratives. The community wouldn't react like myopic sperglords whenever people suggest altering GW's holy creed.

>>49647697
That's what it was originally.

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>>49647089
First negative thing I have heard about Angel's Blade.

>>49645325
So you want to fuck knights in the arse? Anihilation force and its out of sequence shooting will slay all of them.

I'm not bitter.

>>49647697
especially narrative campaigns would need some more attention, there is almost no content for them in supplements and I cannot recall anything in the rulebook,

>>49647687
shit mate, did you even read my post

>>49647694
>I meant this as a reply why you do not see DE players bitchin so much.
Oh, coolio. Thing is, DE players didn't bitch hardly as much back in the old early 2000 days when they still had to deal with those godawful warriors.

Maybe the modern tabletop players are just whinier, or maybe I just have less patience for that shit nowadays.

>>49647631
>why is there such a desire to have tournaments
larger pool of potential opponents
more variety in your games
letting someone else organize shit instead of trying to play FLGS tag or have a setup at home

The old GTs were basically a gathering of nerds who earnestly liked playing the game and would travel quite a ways just to have a big nerd-out.

>>49647757
Jervis Johnson has renounced the grand tournaments, and he was their original creator. That mean anything to you?

>>49647757

Yes I did. Sisters have received nothing since their 6th Ed Codex. In fact, they've LOST models, the biggest being their iconic Immolator.

Meanwhile Deldar at least got an entire fucking supplement, formations, and even a start collecting box.

What makes you think sisters have gotten more than Deldar?

>>49647355
The real question is if anyone actually owns more than one lord of skulls, I only know one guy with one and he converted it into a kytan

>>49647801
it makes me sad, but they got pretty shit near the end so whatever

it's a shame no real alternative popped up

Im so fucking sick of armies getting half their special rules from decurions

GSC wouldbe shit tier without it, so youre basically forced into it

>>49647897
How would they be shit tier without it?

Can anyone tell me the stat line for imp guard conscripts? Having a hard time getting the megaupload to work for me.

>>49647897
Ooooooooooooor you could just play an army you like and not be so focused on competitiveness.

>>49645865
What rule?

>>49647897
All that garbage is awful. The old force organization chart was fine. Maybe create certain formations for each army but the benefit of those formations should be that you can do something you couldn't normally do in the FoC, like bring 4 fast attack as DEldar or something.

>>49647929
only 2 units have infiltrate natively, so all of your t3 5+ models would either have to footslog or ride in front armour 11 trukks

>>49647935
They are ws/bs 2 guardsmen ld6 maybe

>>49647935
it's not working for me either, are we sure OP has the right links?

>>49647948
You know the special rule letting them infiltrate is not from their formations/decurion, right?

>>49647960
The model has to be able to infiltrate to use the ambush table retard

>>49647948
You can take Formations outside of the Decurion.

You can give any number of Acolytes Infiltrate with the Subterranean Uprising.

The only thing you lose without the Decurion are the +1 to Reserves and -1 to opponent's Reserves, and regaining d6 models when returning from Ongoing Reserves (admittedly awesome, but not army ruining to not have it).

And I guess turn 1 Shrouded on Genestealers and ICs but really you won't need that half the time as they'll make it into CC anyways or deploy somewhere safe.

>>49647947
oh you mean the old FOC which every army had ways to get around or swap slots? not to mention those units that could be used without the chart

>>49647943
That doesn't work when all the cunts in your area are competifags.

>>49647970
Or just held in Reserve.

Also the Decurion is fun, flexible and fluffy, so I'm not sure what your problem is. Just fucking take it. CADs are boring as shit.

>>49647983
Thats still relying heavily on formations for your army to function,which is bullshit

>>49647956
>>49647935

Not sure why OP is using a dead link: https://mega.nz/#F!Wl5DAbCb!TYxZG4CgX_x-NJu7JBwbZQ!2tgBUTYI

>>49647329

People have mostly already answered the Genestealer color pattern question but I'll throw in a few other things:

There's multiple examples of the purestrains and even the Patriarch willingly allowing themselves to be daubed in paint. If you want to have a dramatically different scheme for their coloration, you can use that as an excuse.

Or honestly it's not even a stretch to say that the Patriarch adopted a particular color scheme due to the conditions of the world it ended up founding a cult on - a tropical death world, I can imagine, would lead a Patriarch to camouflaging itself to match. Genestealers (or really just Tyranids in general) seem to hold a lot of conditional adaptive dna that kicks in whenever they need it.

>>49647970
>Cult Ambush: Units with this special rule that Infiltrate, or that arrive from Reserve or Ongoing Reserve

>Return to the Shadows: Instead of moving in the movement phase, any unit with this special rule that is not within 6" of any enemy models, can be removed from the battlefield and placed into Ongoing Reserve.

>>49648003
Oh no, I have to take this Formation which is an HQ choice I was going to take anyways because it gives everything Hatred and a bunch of Troops I was going to take anyways because fucking duh.

When will this horror end.

>>49648010
Why is it all in epubs now? Ew.

>>49648026
So you have to keep a huge chunk of your army in reserve. Im sure whatever is left will weather turn 1 fine with those 5+ armour saves and one invuln in the whole book :^)

>>49647728
Don't be mistaken, I'm happy we got the book.
I like the updates to the Assault/Devastator squads and our vehicles, and I like a lot of the new formations.

I just think the Decurions were kinda shit and the new DC relics are entirely wasted since only one model in the entire codex can take them (DC Chaplain) and he can only do so in a single circumstance (Must be in a Lost Brotherhood Strike Force). This stipulation fucks over almost half the relics on the list.

I would have loved to take something like Fyrestorm on, hell, any of my HQs but instead we're stuck having to buy it on a guy that already has an Inferno Pistol.
In essence, you're paying 25 points for 6 inches more range and the Master-Crafter USR, which makes the relic a WHOLE LOT less attractive.

The Gilded Crozius Relic suffers from the same problem as above.
You're paying 25 points to move from AP4 to AP3 and to get Master-Crafted. You also get a small bonus to that unit's FnP rolls but it's relatively minor unless the squad is maxed out, and considering DC work best as MSU, it's lackluster.
Pass.

The Blood Shard Relic is the worst addition of them all considering that it gives the model that takes it Counter Attack, a rule that does not confer to any models in an attached squad and only gives the MODEL with Counter Attack (thus the model that bought it) a single extra attack if it gets charged, for 30 fucking points.
Absolutely TERRIBLE.

Baal's Vengeance and the Guardian's Blade would have been ok (if a tad pricy), but they are limited to one model who already has expensive wargear they'd have to replace, jacking up their cost even higher.
They cost 35 and 45 points respectively considering this fact, definitely not worth it.

Reliquary Armor is the only decent one of the lot, and even then it's rather pricey at 30 points.

My meta bans formations :^)

>>49648047
You don't have to keep a damn thing in reserve. The second part of my post shows why, if you'd bother to read it.

>>49648061
What about detachments?

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>>49644776

>his list gets stomped by a single Leman Russ Battle Tank or Land Raider Redeemer

Formations are why people prefer to play 30k.

>>49648087
No because Unbound is fucking retarded.

>>49648106
He probably meant besides CAD.

>>49648033

In order for me to use a formation with my tzeentch daemons, I need 9 fucking units. It's fluffy, I get it, but it's 9 fucking units, or 10 with the herald. The aux is a joke. Who in their right mind would buy a combination of 9 screamers/chariots as a side option to needing 9 boxes of horrors/flamers/exalteds?

>>49646108
Nah man, it's cool. I've got probably over 60k of pts in models.

>>49648086
oh boy, so some of my army might make it wothin range of the enemy by turn 2 with a very small chance of being able to charge

>>49648039
Get with the times grandma.

>>49648061
That's your problem, not the rules. Don't bitch to us that GW is ruining the game because you play with faggots.

That's like saying armoured IG sucks and its all the Codex writers fault because the good tanks are all in Heavy Support and your meta bans Heavy Support slots.

Ever run a game for other players like a GM, or a campaign? I was thinking up putting up a campaign ad at my FLGS for a campaign with Genestealers/Nids vs Imperials, bad idea or not?

>>49645784
Playing against a friend who wanted to try out his wraithknight. First turn: focus all fire on it and burn it intonthe ground

>>49648090
the lemaa russ could, in theory punched to death by the commander or get shot in the rear.
In theory, in practice I doubt the russ player will allow for that to happen.

>>49648117
You're just being obtuse, aren't you, anon?

>>49648010
why is stuff missing? it doesn't even have the space marines codex

>>49648117
2/6 isn't a small chance.

>>49648127
I hope you have a group of friends you play with. I cringe at the thought of what kind of dregs you'll have to deal with otherwise.

>>49648096
30k has Rites of War, which are essentially Formations (in that they manipulate what models you can take in your army and grant you special rules for doing so).

The issue with formations is the massive fluctuations in power and the glut of "take three of the same unit and give them benefits." Those all should just be rules that the units have by default.

>>49648127
Great idea if you know what you're doing.

>>49648039
epubs are cancer. can't believe I have to buy a tablet to look at a lot of 40k stuff.

>>49647266
What are you talking about? The Sanguinor gifted his armor to the esteemed Blood Ravens after battle on *ahem* VI against the renegades.

>>49648127
Could be good, but with Genetealers I would wait for the models to be built and partially painted

>>49648134
90% of the army is erased by bolters, being able to get into cover near the enemy and charge before they shoot is vital as fuck

>>49648162
get readium

So I bought Betrayal at Calth to get into 40k and start my Dark Angels army.
Should be getting my first game (besides the few small point game using my friends models) at 1000 points.
Not a fan of this Dreadnaught model so am trying to trade someone at my shop for a Ven Dread and everyones told me terminators are bad so I may try and trade those away too.
Saturday will be my match against one of the regulars at the shop who plays Chaos Space Marines and Demons (Mostly Nurgle with some Tzeentch).

I am bringing my Demi Company formation with:

>three Tactical Squads with 10 marines with a melta and combimelta (no heavy weapons) in rhinos
>7 Devastator Marines, four of which have Missile Launchers
>Assault Squad with Jump Packs, an Eviscerator, 2 Flamers and a Combi-Flamer + Melta Bomb Seargent
>Chaplain with combi-Flamer, Jump Pack and Melta Bomb

My opponent is the local guy that organizes the campaigns they do so I am hoping he won't crush me too hard.

The only advice I have been given so far is to run the second Demi-Company for the Battle Company but that would be down the roads a way since painting exactly what I just finished would be rather boring for me.

Any suggestions on what to add from either of the Dark Angels' Wings?

>>49647757
>Maybe the modern tabletop players are just whinier, or maybe I just have less patience for that shit nowadays.
As a vet of 10+ years, they really are fucking whiny babies these days. That said, updates were thinner on the ground in 3E/4E, so the DEldar drought felt less unfair because everyone elses' pastures were pretty dry as well.

>>49647816
>he wasn't around for all of 4th edition
Let's be clear here. DE went a LONG ass time without any new models or Codex, to the point that rumours of the 5E release was met with complete skepticism; as far as everyone was concerned DE were all but squatted.

SoB got some nice pewter models and new rules with the Witch Hunters codex in '04, while the DE were still in their drought period. DE got their major update and gorgeous models in 2010, ending their twelve year drought. Anything nice that has happened since then isn't relevant to their 'record-setting period of neglect' SoB are now at around twelve years since their last model release, but are just edged out for having gone less time without rules.

>>49648113
The Warpflame Host isn't too bad, since you get some variety and you'll want a lot of Horrors if going Mono-Tzeentch anyways. The Exalted Flamer needing to be stationary to fire is stupid, but whatever.

The Burning Skyhost is just ridiculous though.

>>49648174
Welcome to not playing MEQ, it takes some finesse, enjoy your stay faggot.

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I'm new to 40k whats a good boardgame to get started with my friends to get them into it? I really like painting and stuff like that, and we're looking for something to play other than magic.

>>49648194
whats so crazy about skyhost?

>>49648174
That's why you use half your army to distract them, your dudes trucks and rockgrinders and shit, while you ambush in other guys.

Shit's cheap enough that you can afford to do that. At 1500pts, you can have triple the numbers of most other armies.

>>49648156
that's why I said people prefer to play 30k. RoW are what formations should've been if GW Prime actually cared about the game and not making people buy multiples of shit they don't even want.

>>49648214
Who the fuck owns 27 Screamers? Even if you have a couple Burning Chariots, you still need a ton of Screamers.

That said, it can be pretty lulzy to play. Nothing like turning a couple tactical squads into salsa during the movement phase.

>>49648216
Not to mention summoning other shit for free, with tons of free wargear upgrades, which have a 1/6 chance to immediately charge or a 1/6 chance to shoot twice with pinning.

Also you have a Primaris power that lowers the enemies BS and you have access to Telepathy to make your guys invisible/shrouded and Biomancy to give them FnP 3+ in Iconward range.

>>49648236
My bad, I got the impression that your issue was with the idea of formations and not GW's implementation.

>>49648240
Gsc has to be the most expensive armies to run, since you are basically forced into 90+ bodies in 2000 points

>>49648251
Is it more expensive than DKK blob guard?

>>49648261
No, but its close

Butgsc id say are more intricate to paint, making it a bigger pain overall

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So fluff and design-wise, I think GeeDubs did the Genestealer Cults justice

What are impressions on gameplay wise?

>>49647948
you know you can just return too the shadows turn 1 for an automatic ambush from reserve turn 2.

>>49648251
Yeah it costs a dollar per point in Acolytes before upgrades.

So when you need tons of extra guys for all the free dudes you're going to be summoning, it can get ridiculous.

Luckily I have stupid amounts of purestrain genestealers that I've been hoarding for the past 8 years waiting for the day GW made them good again, and I was not disappointed. Much like the Cults themselves, my obsessive preparation in amassing my blessed offspring has finally paid off.

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Just opened the GSC epub given a couple thread ago and saw this on the first line of the freaking book.

so I'm not a native English speakers, so is this a fucking joke or does GW didn't proofread the very first line of their book and printed it in a $200 edition, or did the Russian guy edit the epub before sharing it for maximum "Dank" radikool meme" ?

>>49648304
What the fuck are you talking about?

http://www.dictionary.com/browse/dank

>>49648039
because its much easier to just copy a file than scan a book page by page and people are lazy.

>>49648289
From having read the rules I think they did a damn good job on that front too. Overall it's a very satisfying release, it's like everything Skitarii was except with more nostalgia factor, more vindication for old 'nid vets waiting for stealers to be godly again, plus we actually got transports.

>>49644776
ayyy fagit.
please next time try to be less Autist and do this

HQ: Commander (85)

Strike Team
5x Fire Warriors with Pulse Rifles
DS8 Support Turret with Missile Pod (65)
X9001

thank you.

>>49648326
I will say that they way he wrote them all out individually did give a more visceral feel of the impression you would get watching him set up all those squads on the table across from you.

>>49648182

Terminators aren't as bad as people say, if you are Dark Angels you have some good options for them. Don't trade em away just yet.

>>49648304
If English isn't your native language and you think something is not right...you should probably look it up first. Also please don't learn english from 4chan.

>>49648289
I was surprised GW didn't eliminate the sex aspect of Genestealers reproducing. I figured it'd be changed into more like the xenomorph chestbusters

But while they never go into detail on fucking, they do use the word "breeding" several times to describe how the cult spreads.

>>49648304
What? Dude dank's a word. It means an unpleasent, wet place. "Dank corner" actually means an awful place vermin hang out.

>>49648320
>the GSC aren't going to be maximum cancer in the casual scene post
We need to add this to the bingo.
>inb4 geneshitters frantically deny something anyone with half a brain already noticed

>>49648320
I actually hope people buy plenty of GSC/AdMech just to reward this course of action. The models are still prohibitively expensive but fresh new faction Codices are a step in the right direction.

>>49648340
that GW censors the sex stuff meme needs to die.

>>49648340
Genestealers don't have sex with anyone, the people they infect do. Also please don't tell me you can't tell the difference between sex for the purpose of procreating and sex a la Slaanesh-style.

>>49648358

The hybrids absolutely procreate, which for 1st and 2nd generation hybrids is pretty fetish tier.

>>49648349
This is the thing convincing me to pay the retarded amount of dollars to build up my list. I want GW to actually see that profits flow in when they get competent people writing Codexes.

I've now determined that there are two main guys writing the crunch. One did Skitarii, Genestealer Cults, and Space Wolves. Another one did Tyranids, Orks, and Deathwatch.

They need to give that first guy more money and flush the second one down the fucking shitter.

>>49648304
Oh bummer, I missed the epub dropping. Convenient to have alongside the physical edition, but buying books twice is a pain in the ass.

>>49648370
Did I say Hybrids you illiterate?

>>49648371
>Deathwatch
>same tier as orks
Orks and Chaos Space Marines are done by the DHL guy while he's waiting for the devs to sign for packages.

>>49648347
They're not even remotely on the level of cancer that Tau and Eldar are, since despite hitting hard their shit can easily fold and die. They take approx 32453467 times more skill than spamming Riptides. Even with perfect first turn charges, if you aren't playing the game right you'll erase some shit turn one and then get bodied afterwards when you're standing out in the open.

>>49648380
It's in the MEGA: https://mega.nz/#F!Wl5DAbCb!TYxZG4CgX_x-NJu7JBwbZQ!2tgBUTYI

>>49648340
Chest buster what? The cult suppose to blend in and infiltrate, kidnap and brainwash people, not performing daily massacre to attract the Inquisition's attention and get your cult purged in 1 week.

>>49648184
>we had it bad for while so we can just ignore the new stuff!

Look man, I've been playing sisters for a long time. I started right around the drop of 4th, which is about 12 years. I too am a vet of 10+ years. I have been using and painting the same exact models for literally as long as I have been playing 40k. The canoness I just bought last week, which btw I had to order because it's online only, is the same exact metal model I bought 12 years ago. I'm not saying Deldar haven't had a bad spot in their lives, because they had, sure. They had a lot of shit, and then they got an update, and it was a glorious update with a fantastic codex and fantastic models.

You can't sit there and tell me that everything after that point is irrelevant because they had a long time without an update when literally the ONLY 2 things SoB have gotten are a WD shitdex, and the current 6th edition codex we only received because GW said they wanted to update everything.

I'm not furthering this pissing contest after this post, but here's the bottom line: DEldar have plastics, planes, formations, a supplement, and a starter box. They got their update in 2010 and have continued to get something. Sisters have gotten rules updates that don't even include formations, and have lost models from the store that are still in the Codex.

>>49648398
it seems I'm dumb and blind

thanks

>>49648426
As a completely outside observer with no stake in either Sisters or DE, I agree with the Sistersfags that their situation is a lot worse currently.

>>49648427
It's OPs fault for putting up a dead MEGA link.

>>49648182
>Any suggestions on what to add from either of the Dark Angels' Wings

Definitely don't rush into a full battle company.

Either of the strike forces are good to add.

Ravenwing Stike Forces can get a bit cheesy.

If you are playing in a more casual meta any variation of the Ravenwing Attack Force to summon a small Deathwing Strike Force would be perfectly fluffy and effective.

Note that terminators aren't in the best spot so what I have been doing with my DWSF, and that I would suggest to any battle brother, (especially if you want a ven dread anyway) is to use an Interrogator Chap or Lib in termi armor with the Foe Smiter as the the HQ.

For your two elite slots take the even dread in a Drop Pod to mess up rear armor with its multi melta and power fist then get a DW command Squad for your HQ and kit it out with an apothecary, banner, heavy weapon and maybe a chainfist.

>>49648050
I actually agree with you all points there. I could actually justify the point cost if the relics actually transferred over to the units the Chapalin is with but by itself they all just don't seem to be worth it. Feels like all of it should have been dropped by 5 points, 10 at the most. To me though if I had to I would grab The Reliquary Armor or The Gilded Crozus but only for low point games.

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Do you think that GeeDubs learned anything from how they handled the Warhammer Fantasy End Times?

What do you think will happen for the 40k equivalent? How will they screw it up?

>>49648471
They probably won't make the rules 4 pages this time. Hopefully at least 8.

>>49648444
not only currently. DE never had to deal with *poof* your transport kit is gone.
Further models gone:
-Seraphim Prioris
-Sister Dialogus
-Sister with blessed banner

>>49648251
I was about to attempt to rebut this with the list I'm planning on running, then I realized it has 66 dudes on foot - and that's with a fair chunk of points tied up with IG units.

>>49648488

Repentia mistress has also been. Out of stock for at least 2 months

Storm Bolter is also out is stock

Meltas and flamers also used to have 2 poses, and are now down to just 1, and it looks like Seraphim are also down to one model (which is $14 because reasons).

Who am I kidding? Dark Eldar have it so much worse

>>49648468
Reliquary Armor does seem to be the best choice of the bunch since it's not too expensive for what you get all things considered, and the Mastercrafted/AP3 on the Gilded Crozius can actually be really useful, let alone the FnP benefit it gives.

Combine the two and you can make a decently scary HQ.

Too bad he's 180 points AND illegal since no the FAQ ruled that unless otherwise specified a model can only have one relic.

Fucking ruling killed my Valour's Edge+Veritas Vitae Captain, one of my go to HQ choices.

>>49648488
am DE player from back then. can confirm it wasn't that bad. I could always find minis on the shelves and people were understanding.

Does anybody know how relatively common each variant of Leman Russ is?

Sure Executioner is really rare due to the only place making them being in the process of being buttfucked, and the Vanquisher is almost as rare but at least has places making it again, but how uncommon are non battle tank variants?

I'd think the Exterminator would be extremely common since it just has autocannons and doesn't need specialist ammunition like the Eradicator, and there's really no indication on how often non-executioner Demolisher variants pop up but I'd presume there's less of them.

I'm fluffing out my guard who don't have easy access to the best shit since a lot of their stuff is half-cannibalized or foraged from their planet that's a stellar garbage dump.

Damn, I can't fit all the shit I wanted into 1500 with GSC. The bare minimum I need is 1460, which only leaves 40 points for upgrades not including Mastery Levels which I included already... gonna have to go up to 2k probably.

>>49648471
i strongly doubt theres going to be a 40k end times any time soon.
they dod a bicb change up with fantasy because it wasn't making much money. But 40k is already their big earner and they're not going to risk that on such a big change.

>>49648551
Vanquisher, Standard, Exterminator, Eradicator.

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So, I've recently acquired multiple armies, and I would like some help trying to choose which ones to improve upon/build. I've played each of them at least once and like each of their playstyles, but am not sure which to pick up full time. I built most of my Scions and Inquisition stuff, and want to try something new. Here's the list, I'd love to hear some thoughts on who I should use full-time for awhile.

Dark Eldar (I need to grab a few better HQs, I'm thinking a Haemy for that Talos/Cronos formation until I can grab 5 more Talos for that horrifying formation of 6 of them.)
Orks (I'd need to get a few more "good" units for them since Boyz aren't enough and I got a Greentide type army from a guy I know, so I'd need recommendations for good units to grab to make them not so shit.)
Space Wolves (I have practically everything I need for them, besides Wulfen and Transports, the only issue is I have to build all of it since I got someone's old Battleforce and the Warriors of the Fang box off a friend.)

What do?

>>49648571
>>49648551
Those are the most common varieties, so much so that they're given to PDFs.

>>49648543
If we want to do bookkeeping
the plasmapistol and power-maul prioris are gone too as well as seeral priest models.

>>49648572
focus on space wolfes. Orks and DE are in a hard place, and you can ally them with your stuff no problemo.

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>>49648572
sometimes I forget just how big Andre was.

>>49648581
no they are not
Vanquishers are rare
eradcators as well. (even their ammo is expensive)
the common ones are battletank, exterminator and demolisher.
Its more that this is one of the 2 leman russ boxes. The one that comes with the genestealer gubbins according to nafka

>>49648010
Why the fuck is this link pushed, Epubs arn't that useful, and it's missing Codexes and all the Imperial Armour books

>>49648581
the vanquisher is meant to be very rare and only made at a couple of forge worlds.
The annihilator would be the dedicated antintank option for PDFs or poorly equiped regiments.
its origin is as a field mod of damaged russes IIRC.

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>>49648598
Well, my records for the armies are as follows.

>Orks
1-3

>Deldar
3-0

>Space Wolves
2-0

I don't think DE are as bad off as people make out. Yeah, they're not the best in the game, but they can do pretty well. I kind of want to try Deldar, but they seem like a bitch to paint and build lists for since Archons are shit, but they other HQs are so hard to find these days, along with certain good units like Sslyths. I know Space Wolves are good. The wins with DE were really close whereas the Space Wolves stomped anyone in their path. It's a tough choice between them really. If I were to do Space Wolves, I think I'd paint them like that one Chaos Space Wolves army, Skyrar's Dark Wolves, I think that would be neat.

>>49648633
You hate epubs so much you'd rather have a dead MEGA link in the general? Download Readium/Kobo and then kill yourself.

>>49648633
PDFs are retarded mate. Plus no one is ever going to scan a hardcopy book again. Not when there are just epubs of them.

>>49648633
>Codexes and all the Imperial Armour books
Well considering the other MEGA is dead, get used to it. Should've downloaded everything when you had the chance.

>>49648606
the box and varients GSC get is standard, vanquisher, exterminator and eradicator.

>>49648634
Then why do GSC get the Vanquisher but not others?

>>49648585

Very true.

What's even worse is that the Brets Ew gone, so I can't even get Damsels to use as priestesses.

>>49648426
Considering my original question was "do DE still hold the record for longest period of neglect?" it is kind of relevant. I even acknowledged the suffering of Orks/SoB because I honestly thought they may have taken the crown. If Sisters continue to go without an update they will take the record. Nobody has stepped in with Orks data apart from "they've gotten a Codex every edition so far". You're the one making it a pissing contest about who gets to complain more when GW has taken a fat shit on all three armies at some point, kind of proving myself and other anons right that tt gamers these days will bitch about literally anything.

>>49648162
get one of the many .. MANY programs that let you read Epubs on your pc grandma.

>>49648643
dead?
I'm dowloading stuff from it right now, and it's got more in it than the EPUB mega so...

guys, where do I convert epub to pdf? I tried like a dozen online converters to no avail, will provide Genestealer Cult PDF if someone points me in the right direction

>>49647757
>Tournaments
>Variety

There's more variety in the appalacian genepool.

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>>49646793
Tyranid Listbuilding 101:

Take as many of the first as you can get and as few of the second as you need

Everything else is in the Genestealer Cults codex.

>>49648558
Post list bruh.

For comparison, mine looks something like this:

First Curse
- Patriarch w. 2 familiars, ML 2
- 20 Purestrains

Neophyte Cavalcade
- 2 x Neophytes with 2 mining lasers each, in chimeras with dozer blades

- 3 armoured sentinels with lascannons

- 2 scout sentinels with heavy flamers

- 2 Leman Russ Exterminators with hull lascannons


Subterranean Uprising
- 2 x 10 acolytes, one with an Icon and leader
- 1 x 5 metamorphs
- 1 Primus

There's a fair bit of high-strength (albeit middling BS) shooting there, and that's mainly because my meta never really moved on from 5th so there's still a tonne of light-to-medium vehicles roaming around.

I realize I could cram more foot dudes into the list if I took out the IG stuff, but I love me some sentinels so, yeah.

>>49648677
probably just because the vanquisher comes in the same kit as the basic russ.

>>49648780
really we should just have both links in the op so everyone can use their preferred format.

For a beginner, whats a good size army to start with? 1000 points?

>>49648926
Start with Kill Team.

If you want to actually start with a full army, 750-1000 pts is best.

>>49648926
500-750, it's small enough to be an ally detachment, bit more flexible while you're learning. Stores often do escalation campaigns that start that small too.

>>49648815
Take screenshots and compile them into a PDF.

The genstealer epub has weird forming problems anyway, don't convert that

>>49648815
Why? There's already an ePub. You're going to waste your own time because some babies are too lazy/dumb to download an ePub reader?

>>49648946
nah its fine.
just use an actualy good reader. kobo for android or readium for pc.

>>49648946
No it doesn't. Looks fine.

>>49648949
My tablet doesn't display epubs like my PC does and I prefer my text readable

>>49648987
Sounds like a personal problem.

>>49648944
But that removes bookmarks, I'd have to manually put them in again afterwards

>>49648987
I am just asking politely, I spent like 4hours trying to get it to work

>>49648991
Well there's no other way to convert epub3. Besides if your gong to do screenshots, it takes like 10mins to add bookmarks.

>>49648991
Yes, you do.
Same with epub to pdf tools.
Only workaround is fiddling with file formats, manually editing xhtml to html tags and shortening extensions.

>>49648987
have you tried a different epubreader?

>>49648987
try kobo. i use it on my tablet/phone and displays the epubs correctly

>>49649015
One epub to pdf tool kept the bookmarks, but it's unavailable now sadly :(

>>49649045
Will do

>>49649071
They updated to epub3, that broke most readers and all converters.

>>49647897
>Im so fucking sick of armies getting half their special rules from decurions

May I advise you to play Orks?

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>>49647644
>not using a winged slaneesh daemon prince as doom rider
>mfw

>>49648870
Cult Insurrection Detachment 995 pts
Brood Cycle 400 pts
Acolyte Iconward 65pts
Acolyte Hybrids 40 pts
Acolyte Hybrids 40 pts
Acolyte Hybrids 40 pts
Neophyte Hybrids 50 pts
Neophyte Hybrids 50 pts
Hybrid Metamorphs 45 pts
Purestrain Genestealers 70 pts

Subterranean Uprising 200 pts
Primus 75 pts
Hybrid Metamorphs 45 pts
Acolyte Hybrids 40 pts
Acolyte Hybrids 40 pts

The First Curse 395 pts
ML 2 Patriarch 115 pts
20 Purestrain Genestealers 280 pts

Broodcoven 255 pts
ML 2 Patriarch 115 pts
ML 2 Magus 65 pts
Primus 75 pts

Combined Arms Detachment 210 pts
HQ
ML 2 Magus 65 pts
ML 2 Magus 65 pts

Troops
Acolyte Hybrids 40 pts
Acolyte Hybrids 40 pts

Total of 10 warp charge dice for mass summoning.

Extra points will first go into increasing numbers in the units.

Broodcoven joins one of the Subterranean Uprising squads, getting them Fearless, Hatred, Fleet, Preferred Enemy, Counterattack, Adamantium Will, rolling 3d6 on Cult Ambush for a first turn charge with a Biomancy Patriarch.

Iconward joins the Uprising Squad with the other Primus, drops within 12" of the first group, adding Furious Charge + FnP 6+ to everything, hopefully stacking on an Endurance.

First Curse attempts to drop in on another threat, hopefully also within range of the Iconwards group for Hatred + FnP etc

Remaining units clog the board and block drop pods from landing, last two Magi sit with Neophytes on back objectives and just churn out free Ambushing Acolytes/Aberrants/Genestealers as necessary.