What kind of weapons would a paladin use for modern combat/warfare?

>>49632371
Guns.

>>49632371
Whatever the modern day equivalent of Paladins (the US military) uses.

>>49632371
Are we talking "paladin" or "crusader"?

I'd see a paladin going for a more civil protection role, like the guy with the riot shield in SWAT raids.

>>49632371
AR pattern rifles with the shiniest of gear attached to them.

>>49632406
Oh boy here we go.

Probably guns. Really good guns, maybe?

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>>49632371
The right arm of the free world. Anything else is commies.

>>49632406
US military is Sardaukar, not paladins

>>49632469
>Sardaukar

Because they lost to sand people?

>>49632469
>Sardaukar
Because so many of them live in a giant prison?

>>49632371
They would ride glorious holy apache attack helicopters into combat.

(With blessed missiles of course.)

>>49632469
>>49632616
>>49632638

They're heavy shock troops with all the best toys and training. For all these reasons, and more.

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>>49632719
>American training
>best

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>>49632469
>>49632616
>>49632638
>>49632719

>Excuse me, Mr Sardaukar
>Hmm?
>Any words after the successful attack on the Atredies?
> My Legs are okay

>>49632789
>Feyd
>ANother one of the barons sons?
>Baron
>Barons mentat
>?

Who the hells the guy on the far right, I mean its been a while since I've read the dune series but still have no idea.

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>>49632371
Well, considering that a paladin is a holy warrior fighting for what he believes is good and just...

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Remember folks, you saw it here first.

>>49632825

It's: Feyd, Raban, The Baran, Piter, The Emperor, and a Sardaukar

There's another one like this that shows Paul, Jessica, Leto, Gurney, and Gaius but I'm to lazy to look it up right away.

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>>49632371

>>49632862
Cheers mate

>>49632825
>Who the hells the guy on the far right,
Nick Griffin? Sarah Palin? Hitler?

>>49632655

Dubs makes this legit as if it wasent already pretty awesome

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>>49632371
Obviously, the paladin needs to ride a Paladin.

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>>49633139
You wouldn't ride a paladin.

>>49633178
Shit, son, that paladin looks ready to ride *me*.

RPG paladins don't really operate as soldiers, they're more like investigators, police, rescue workers etc.

So probably a pistol and taser for everyday carrying would be enough, to deter and force compliance from wrongdoers.
Assault rifle or submachine gun for really shit days.

>>49633359
I always saw them more as Divine Pimp Hands. The strong right hand that delivers justice where justice fails. Then again, that perspective probably comes from AD&D exposure.

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>>49632855
A paladin is specifically Catholic though. Not that Catholocism will grow anything even vaguely resembling a spine with Francis in charge. If we want new paladin, our best bet is the Society of Saint Pius taking over the Vatican from the inside and repealing Vatican II. But then again, that'd be "intolerant". Being called intolerant nowadays is worse than being called a heretic in the Middle Ages.

>>49633178
Ladyknight (male)

>>49633359
What game are you playing? Paladins have always been warriors or cavaliers, best armour, heaviest weapons, highest hit dice except for barbarians. The word first appeared as the name for a group of knights in medieval literature and was copied into RPGs from that source. How does that translate to rescue worker or investigator?

I imagine they'd want to be absolutely certain of their targets so sniper riffles.

>>49633450
>Russian_Orthodox_priest_blessing_tank.jpg

>>49632785

Memeing aside, it really is.

>>49633443
That's not even kinda true though, assuming we're talking about the most common usage of the term paladin on /tg/, the dungeons and Dragons Paladin, who is the servant of explicitly polytheist gods. Indeed, most Paladins would likely see Catholicism as an abomination.

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>>49632406
Pic related?

>>49632371
Anything really. You have paladins who go full operator but you also have the ones who use stop signs as axes.

You'll know you've seen the latter when they're wearing a great-helm made of "beware of dog" signs, with "dog" crossed off and replaced with "God".

>>49633576
D&D Paladins are directly adapted from the idea of Catholic Paladins, like those appearing in Song of Roland.

>>49633443
Yeah, amen, preaching to the choir brother! My Paladin of Tyr was specifically pre-Vatican II Catholic and he didn't tolerate anything. Like there was this one time some priest of Mystra started to say Holy Mass in the vernacular tongue and he was like, "No heretic. Fucking say the Mass in Latin like God intended when he made the Roman Empire the greatest empire of all time!" and then he chopped all their heads off and burnt down the whole village.

Fucking masses in Italian and Spanish and French and Korean. Can't understand a fucking word they're saying when I'm traveling. At least when it was all in Latin I could go to mass anywhere and not fucking it understand as much as the guy kneeling next to me. Now he knows what's going on and I don't. Try to make me learn his crazyass screeching.

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>>49633691
>At least when it was all in Latin I could go to mass anywhere and not fucking it understand as much as the guy kneeling next to me

>>49633608
Because the world needs an RPG where you can play a self-propelled artillery piece.

>>49632371
I really like to imagine them using heavy shit like GPMGs and battle rifles. Hell, just give them MG42s and G3A3s both done up in red and white. Crosses on the stocks, or handguards wrapped with a banner. Just seems so badass and impractical.

Maybe it's because I see the old timey crusaders in my mind as big heavy dudes in clunky armor, even though that was not always the case.

It also wouldn't really be optimal nowadays to wear heavy equipment or use full powered cartridges like .308 or 7.62x54r since 5.56 seems to get the job done just fine while being lighter.

>>49633739
It would be like Thomas the Tank Engine, but your crew dies one day to an air attack, and you have to return to your lines without a driver through SHEER MACHINE SPIRIT WILLPOWER.

>>49633539
Ehhhhhhh....

The only army to fail more or less every single anti insurgency action ever taken on, from Nam to the Stan.

>>49633784
To be fair, at least they learned something useful out of 'nam. Mainly that the age of semi-auto battlerifles was over and that you should maintain your guns regularly if you want to keep them working.

>>49633853
Although they didn't learn the most useful lesson that could've come out of 'nam. Namely, fighting unconventional enemies requires training to fight unconventional enemies, and subtlety is more useful then dropping millions of tons of bombs in a counter-insurgency.

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>>49633539
>He's serious

Oh...oh my.

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>>49632406
Modern day paladins are actually ISIS. So AK-74 and RPG-7.

>>49633894
>>49633539
You all do realize how much larger the us army is than pretty much everyone else right? You cant give a blanket statement and say our training is the best.
For example, id say our tank crews are most likely better than most of the world because we have the money to actaully train them regularly, and we have a fuckton of them. Even our infantry training varies from unit to unit, a dude stuck in ft bliss his entire career is going to have different training and experience from someone who started in the 82nd then became a batt boy for instance.

I would say in general the us is above average while being the best in some areas.

AND THIS IS WHY /POL/ ISN'T NECESSARY ANYMORE. EVERYWHERE YOU LOOK, THERE THEY FUCKING ARE!

God damn you fuckers are poison.

>>49633539
American doctrine is more anout cool toys that super-training.

when I clicked the thread from the catalog I didn't expect this kind of content
I mean come n

>>49634169
Nothing was off topic.

If you're offended by these obvious comparisons maybe you should try browsing a forum that isn't an anonymous bastion of free speech.

Anyway OP HK416s.

>>49634169
Not enough gas the kikes,race war now to be /pol/ desu senpai.

>>49634182
More like that one person who hogs all the drone strike cards.

>>49634355
Drone operators are probably cheaper to train and equip than grunts.

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>>49634381
I think they just like sitting back and hitting buttons. While also being able to see how fucked up the terrorists are.

>>49634287
DEUS VULT

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>>49634407

>>49632406
>US military
This has to be bait.

>>49634592
Wait till the burgers wake up and this thread gets thrown into patriotism and full /k/

>>49633264
post yfw it's actually a boy

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>>49632371

>>49634637
I's OK if he's pretty

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>>49634681
>>49634729
just what I have come to expect of you, /tg/
not sure if that's a good thing or not, but I'm not a pretty boy, so it's not exactly my problem

>>49634747
Pterrieness is a relative term. With enough alcoohol anyone could be considered pretty.

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>>49632371
A sword, duh.

Bullets are nothing compared to true blazing Righteousness

>>49633767
No more brutal than shed 17 then.

>>49634790
Sword is a sidearm, not a primary weapon. If you want to deliver blazing righteousness, go grab some manly weapon like a poleaxe.

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>>49634169
>any positive depiction of America or its military is /pol/
My friend, I try and keep my /pol/ posting on /pol/, but you are a fucking cuck.

On topic:
>MGSV style ballistic shield
>main weapon of choice (I would go shotgun because you expect paladins to be in close combat
>and a fucking holy avenger to pull out and start stabbing heretics when shot hits the fan

Why aren't there more "modern fantasy" settings that don't take place in the "real" world? The aesthetics of it are fantastic, but too often it comes with the baggage of trying to associate fantasy archetypes of good and evil with real world people and organizations, and well, see this thread for examples of what kind of arguments would come up at the table.

>>49634169
>clearly on topic
>not even a single fucking /pol/ reference, not even a thinly veiled one
>still gets upset

This is either a /pol/ false flag to stir up animosity and resentment for anti-/pol/ users or you seriously need to stop getting fucking triggered. Most of the boards dislike /pol/'s shit and are getting tired of it but this is fucking 4chan. You don't come here and then cry when you get offended - and offended over what too? Knights? Crusaders? These are staples of pen and paper. Have we really reached the point where having a fucking mild discussion on knights is now considered offensive?

11/10, genuine or not, you got a sincere reaction out of me.

>>49634138
Or blackguards.

>>49634183
First day on 4chan?

>>49634972
I'd say they are more chaotic evil clerics. Anyone who argues that ISIS are Paladins is edgy to the fucking max. Isis is evil as shit

No LG character would ever fight an organisation that uses infanticide, sex slavery and slave trade as legitimate institutions. Kek, they don't even limit their brutality to foreigners either, I remember reading that they crucifixed three young teens for watching soccer on the television.

Yeah, totally lawful good behaviour right there

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>>49634169
>/pol/

what the fuck are you talking about, this thread's on topic you insufferable autist. If anything, your post garnering all of these (you)'s, including my own, is derailing the thread harder than your /pol/ boogey-man you fucking retard.

>>49632371
I suppose it depends on how you're defining Paladin then. If you mean a champion of God and Justice then I wouldn't really know what to say. I can't think of any real nation that is dominantly Christian or Catholic. If I had to choose anything then I'd probably choose the Americans and their forces, even despite the decreasing prevalence of Christianity in their citizens. Alternatively, if you just mean paladins as in they fight solely for their religion. Then you have the clusterfuck that is the middle east, and in that case it would probably just be outdated arms, like AKs or makeshift IEDs.

Deus Vult.

>>49634896
What if hes going with a two handed sword or a Zweihänder?

>>49633623
No, they're adapted from the order of the christ's poor knights aka templars. They protect the helpless and innocent and manage their own supply chain with private farms to finance each knight with the best gear.
They follow a hierachical system.

The knights in the song of roland are nobles, following their liege as is their vassal vow.

>>49634845
Cinders and ashes, anon, that was terrifying. I was thinking of a more noble and uplifting story for Heinz the Howitzer.
How does something like Shed 17 even come into existence? Who looks at a beloved children's show about talking locomotives and decide to remake it with horrible genetic experiments?

>>49632371
>Battle Rifle.
>Side arm.
>Heavy plate carrier w/ballistic helmet and face shield.
>Flash grenades.
>Holy book bound in Kevlar and ballistic plates.

>>49635082
A Zweihänder is literally just a two-handed sword.

>>49633539
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FopyRHHlt3M

>>49635458
Yet it's a rare case of a sword being a primary weapon. You go to battle carrying it on your shoulder like a spear or halberd, and you generally need a sidearm going with it when things come really close or cramped.

>>49634150
US are about average. Many other nations with just as good training.

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Only one choice. Remake the Lawgiver irl.
https://youtu.be/-mnnQfYeCRY?t=1m55s

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>>49634169

>>49632371
A rocket-powered hammer

>>49634896
Maybe in group tactics, but alone you're gonna want a sword and shield. Sword and boarders are gonna fuck you up super bad if you've got two hands on a polearm and no buddies nearby.

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>>49632371
It's Templars, but I think this is about right.

>>49633739
Playing a Hero System game. My back up character concept if the current one dies, is a A.I./Tank

>>49634138

Your thoughtcrime is noted. Your IP address is logged. Drones are en route. Have a nice remainder of your day.

>>49633450
Detect Evil -> Investigators
Protecting the Innocent -> Military Police
Saving Damsels -> Rescue Workers

There.

>>49635753
Depends mostly on the branch. Army is pretty mid range. Marines are good. Air force is a joke.

>>49634896
>Sword is a sidearm, not a primary weapon.
>this meme is still on /tg/
Swords were in use for an incredible length of time, and they were not used the same at every single point in that time-frame.

>>49634900
>Why aren't there more "modern fantasy" settings that don't take place in the "real" world? The aesthetics of it are fantastic, but too often it comes with the baggage of trying to associate fantasy archetypes of good and evil with real world people and organizations, and well, see this thread for examples of what kind of arguments would come up at the table.
Probably for the same reason you don't often see any sort of modern setting that isn't Earth.

>>49639776
They're not based on the symbols they wear. 2 Knight of Malta and what is that on the gunner's arm, Knight of the Holy Sepulchre ?

>>49640200
That doesn't refute the point, though. They're sidearms, but they're damn good sidearms, that's why various iterations of them were in use for so long. In a battle, you absolutely do not use a one-handed sword without pairing it with a shield if you can help it, because in those circumstances, you *will* get fucked up by everybody out there with a sword + shield or a polearm.

>>49640220
...And what is that? I always thought that sort of thing could be pretty cool.

>>49633716
As a Catholic I can say quite definitely that he's totally right

>>49642305
Didn't know that, but you've taught me something today. Thanks Anon!

>>49633887
>If massive numbers of bombs aren't working, you haven't been using enough. Charred corpses do not fight back.

Red button and launch codes

>>49632457
>Right arm of the free world.
>7.62 NATO
What is this, 1960?

>>49633443
*worse than being called a heretic in warhammer 40k

>>49633853
Shortly afterwards, they seem to be failing to learn that the age of intermediate cartridges in bursts is over and that battle rifles would probably serve them better in an age where you need quick kills before they go boom. Guess some things never change.

>inb4 closet /k/ommando
>inb4 fallout meymey

>>49634790
a brief summary of w40k

>>49646351
>>49646418
Seriously fuck off and go jack off to alfabusa and his shitty squealing cardboard cutouts already, leave the thread for people who enjoy settings that don't need copious amounts of emo to be interesting.

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A fancy AR chambered in .50 Beowulf.

>>49646503
What even is recoil, amirite

>>49642305
>>49643302
The gunner's patch is Godefroy de Bouillon's. The equestrian order of the Holy Sepulcre (that he was the founder of) has gules jerusalem crosses, not gold. The gold crosses were a provocation 2bh.

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>>49635642
here you go son, no need to be a poor youtuber

>>49642407
I worldbuild a lot and honestly, for me it's because modern geopolitics are real fucking difficult to simulate.

If you want a deep world you essentially have to simulate everything from the middle ages to current, figure out what everyone is doing, whereas in the middle ages you can just plop down a kingdom everyfuckingwhere, say the undead are invading, and call it good.

Modern day paladin? Isn't that basically like Judge Dredd

>>49646331
Paladins by their nature are a bit conservative in equipment and doctrine. A Paladin today would probably use his daddy's rifle that he learned to shoot as a kid.

>>49632371
The modern equivalent of a holy sword for smiting evil.
Silver bullets. Or whatever metal makes bullets holy in your universe.

>>49634411
that just shoots all the bullets at the same time.
straight from the magazine.

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>>49632371
> What kind of weapons would a paladin use for modern combat/warfare?
This made me imagine "Call of DeusVult: Modern Warfare".

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>>49632371
>>49647595
all evil outsiders shall snuff it!

on a more serious note they'd probably use attack helicopters as mounts and would be equipped with an M16 or an M4.

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>>49634138
>AK-74
>actually using a rifle with intentionally weaker intermediate cartridge
>not using AK-47
FUCKING PLEB
PLEBEIAN, I SAY

>>49635040
Lawful Evil clerics

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>>49650032
>Higher velocity round
>Skinny & long projectile, better armor pen.
>Tendency to tumble faster once rapid deceleration begins from hitting target, leading to better wound profile in smaller targets.

K.

>>49633539
Depends what for. Brits and Yids have best trained special forces.

>>49650020
>not call of duty: jihad warfare

Though given that the Battlefield is apparently reskinning itself to be more WW1sh maybe next CoD will be Call of Duty: Napoleonic Warfare (featuring assault muskets with red dot sights).

>>49632371
Artillery.
Paladins are all about the
>Mortar Combat

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>>49650141
OH forgot to mention....
>Heavier ammunition = heavier battle load with less shots available.

It's like you want the mujaheddin to win...

>>49650178
>ragheads back then
>sniping hinds out of the sky with mosins because lack of ammo forced them to be accurate
>ragheads now
>spray and pray, allah will guide the bullets to the target and give you more bullets

Truly firing full auto from the hip is the most paladinlike way of using guns.

>>49650152
Pretty much this, Yanks just have best toy training

>>49650141
>5.45 has better armor penetration
Wrong, unless you mean kevlar penetration.

Consequently, wound profile and round velocity simply don't fucking matter if you can't penetrate the enemy's cover.

Of course, if you are shooting out in the open, then cover penetration doesn't matter (and, indeed, 5.45 has better initial velocity and accuracy, meaning it travels further out in the open), but that literally never happens, especially in trench or urban warfare.

So, nah, I'd rather take a rifle based on a cartridge than can penetrate through a wall or two-three sandbags and kill a man.

I do agree about heavier battle load though.

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>>49650202
>>49650246
7.62x39 isn't going to penetrate through a full sandbag at least not one that has been sitting for a while and is more than one layer deep.

Unless you are in a thick forest, the cover is not going to be dense enough to really stop either round (most urban housing consists of particle board, 2x4's and sheet rock) and the cover that can (stone works, ect) is going to stop both rounds. 7.62 is great for punching through roughly 9 inches of solid pine (moderate tree's) but even full size rifle rounds have trouble penetrating through stone, earthen works, and dedicated defenses.

Also I did mean Kevlar, plates will stop most rounds they come into contact with if they are better kit.

Trench warfare is not really common anymore, as fixed positions often change and it takes time to set up such a position. And as explained, the larger round doesn't make that much of a difference, unless you are in say an Old European town.

What DOES make a big difference is if both sides manage to get dug in, and get into a shooting match, and neither side manages to outflank or gain the upper hand.
If this happens, the side with the most ammo wins, which means there is an inherent advantage to carrying an AK-74 over an AK-47 in nearly every environment other than dense woods.

>>49632371
Bombs.

"Caedite eos. Novit enim Dominus qui sunt eius." - Papal legate before the Cathar Crusades
Kill them all; let God sort them out.

Video related:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hefNpYANX3g

>>49639968
Demilitarize Paladins
End detect evil

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>>49646331
>>49649723
>2016
>not using a G3 variant
Plebian as fuck

>>49650419
#EvilLivesMatter

>>49649097
>not webm
Might as well grunt at each other like fucking cavemen

>>49650032
Karl disagrees.

>>49639688
If you're alon on the battlefield you're fucked up anyway, sword or not. If you're part of a rag-tag band of murderhobos fighting monsters in some fantasy settings sword would not help you either - it is only good at killing unarmoured humans outside of formation after all (damn good at it, though).