Sisters of Battle

>>49627625
What are you talking about, anon?
FW is doing the Sisters of Silence, which are a 30k thing.

Sisters of Battle are slated to be squatted Q2 2017.

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>>49627653
please source, I will need to see it to let my hope die

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>>49627673
Be Not Afraid, good citizen. In the Grim Darkness of the Far Future, there is a ray of hope.

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>>49627625
I haven't bought a GW army, 40k or Fantasy, for over a decade. The last time I routinely used them was way back when they were a part of Codex: Witch Hunters.

A plastic line of bolter bitches would have me refinancing my home. Happily.

>>49627625
>I know that forge world is adjusting some of their stuff right now but that is all
This is news to me.

>>49627895
That's... actually pretty hot.

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>>49627895

>>49627762
That's fucking cool

>>49629136
>hot asian girls in boobplate
>one of them is licking her lips
>that's pretty hot

Well no shit man it's supposed to be hot

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>>49627625

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>>49627653
>Sisters of Battle are slated to be squatted Q2 2017.

Source?

>>49627653
Definitely gotta start squatting perfectly good 40k factions to make room for more HH shit and further misunderstand how to actually fix Warhammer.

>>49629660
>SoB faction
>perfectly good

>>49629660
Mate, the SoB haven't been updated in more than 20 years, iirc. I'd believe it if I were told they were being squatted.

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>>49629996
>Glorious angel winged bitties
>Not best faction

At the very least they better stay around as super elite yet rare Inquisitorial or Ecclesiarchal bodyguards. They can scrap everything else if they want to, I just want nuns with guns.

>>49627653
Can confirm. Have a mate who's the cousin of someone fairly high up in Nottingham who said the same thing. You'll get a free rules download for 8th though.

>>49630119
It's true, my uncle works at Nintendo!

>>49630119

Maybe he knows my dad at Nintendo

Regardless, I wouldn't be surprised if they went the way of Bretonia for AoE/8th. That's why I'm glad I have roughly 2000 points, give or take. I need more immolators, though. I have 5 and 2 exorcists,, it you'd be amazed at how few that can feel.

>>49630073

I meant rules/model wise, not fluff wise. I was assuming you meant "SoB are perfectly fine as an army why would they squat them" when right now they're barely above Militarum Tempestus level.

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>>49630269

Honestly, the problem isn't the sisters themselves; it's the shitstorm of 7th edition codexes, supplements, and free shit everyone is getting. We're left in the dust. What does it say about the state of the game when a 145pt troop in a MM Razorback with 2 meltas inside doesn't cut it?

>>49630437

Just throw random SoB units into formations and give them bonuses like Fearless or Torrent or double melta range.

>>49630473

I think formations were a huge fucking mistake, actually. I hope they have at least a points cost stapled to them like AoS when 8th hits.

I'm also still salty about how they took away out faith Rending and gave it to all the fucking eldar's basic weapons. The worst part is that the rest of their shit is so OP they don't even use it.

>>49630528
>"Haha you want unique USRs? Too bad, we're removing them to streamline 7th edition!"
>gives a bunch of new ones to Eldar
>"You don't like Mat Ward? Haha, fuck you, Eldar get Bladestorm and Battle Focus!"
>"Challenge wounds now spill over to the rest of the squad? Haha, fuck you, Eldar sergeants get two wounds!"
>"Haha, Battle Focus is overpowered? Fuck you, Corsairs can do it twice and Warp Spiders now teleport as many times as they want a turn!"

>>49630528
>I hope they have at least a points cost stapled to them like AoS when 8th hits.
SO FUCKING THIS

As with 40k, AoS has some formations that seem like they are barely worth it, to ones that would make you wonder why anyone wouldn't take them. But what makes it work in AoS, is those barely worth it ones are dirt cheap in points, and the really really good ones have a price that makes you question whether or not it's worth taking over the additional dudes you could use those points to buy. THATS how formations should be.

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>>49630557
Formations seem like ways to force synergies that previously had to be derived or interpreted from the rules. They are also, quite often, very OP.

But let's be honest. If you're playing Sisters, you're not playing to win.

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>>49630557

I just want something better with faith. Why the shit do we have to roll leadership ONCE PER GAME for a relatively minor effect THAT DOESN'T EVEN LAST THE WHOLE TURN? Why can't Battle Sisters just have Preferred Enemy standard and have their faith boost to reroll hit and wound instead? Shit like that. It needs to make an impact, and the only one who does are Dominions, who are forced to take 4 meltas or waste their AoF on 4 flamers, or Seraphim. Arguably, Seras make more consistent use out of theirs.

>>49630558

That's how it should be. It should be an option, not 400 free points.

>>49630626

I used to at least be able to win, though. In 5th edition, I considered myself a really good. I placed 7th out of 64 in a semi-local tournament and beat Grey Knights round 3.

Now? I get podded on by Grav Centurions or drowned in scat lasers or some shit.

>>49630786
What about 4th Ed faith rules? Just... copy and paste them wholesale?

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Do you think these are too silly as "counts-as" Seraphim?

I mean... they might wear grav-boots. And force field rosary... bikinis...

>>49631159
man, at least proxy with a unit with wings or some kind of jet pack

>>49630557
I'm a huge Eldarfag, and even I think it's bullshit. I also have always had a soft spot for Sororitas (the only thing stopping me from playing them as a side army is that I'm spoiled by newer models), so us getting something you had, but better makes me feel guilty. My hat goes off to any man who still plays Sisters despite all the shit they've had thrown against them for years.

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>>49631134

That's what I mean. Clean up the wording a little, but otherwise have them do the same thing.

Start with 1 FP for each faithful unit
+1 for Canoness and Celestine
Spend a FP at the beginning of the turn for each AoF
Roll over/under squad size for pass/fail

>>49631229

I love the army, but it's rough.

>>49631159
I agree with >>49631189

It's not like they don't have a couple different options for blatant seraphim copies

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>>49631189
NEVER

That would be sensible. And if we're building an army of battle-nuns, clearly we've passed sensible along time ago.

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>>49631251
I never really liked the under/over squad size thing. It didn't scale well with some tactics. It didn't work at all in Kill Team. And while it's cool to have the survivor of a massacred squad get more faithful, they never seem to be in the right position to make it actually work.

It's pretty much the opposite of the 4E Dark Eldar Pain Points thing. And that's sad.

>>49631370

I liked that the larger squads were better at killing and the smaller squads were better at surviving. Seraphim of course could do both because they rolled 3 and picked the ones they wanted.

Like I said before, if we have to roll, it should be a big deal.

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>>49631406
I do like the ideas of /proper/ miracles. Like "Spend 3 fate points and pass a test. This unit can't take wounds this turn." or "This unit gains Fear".

Old Testament shit. Not "reroll to wound with your pistols for a shooting phase".

>>49631469

Fury of the Emperor
Spend x faith points
One faithful unit ignores armor saves with shooting and melee attacks this turn.

Divine Guidance
Spend x faith points
One faithful unit gains ignore cover, twin linked, fleshbane, and Armorbane for the turn

Spirit of the Martyr
Spend x Faith points
Choose one faithful unit. If any model from that unit were to die this turn, they are not removed from the table. They may act normally for the remainder of the turn. At the end of the turn, the unit suffers a number of wounds equal to the number of models that "died" with no saves allowed except for the models Shield of Faith.

Martyrdom
When a faithful unit is completely destroyed, gain one faith point. In addition, if a faithful warlord is slain, all faithful units get preferred enemy, rage, and +1 to their shield of Faith.

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While we're talking of Sisters, what of the other powers the Ecclesiarchy can call on? What of arco-flagellants, of mobs, of chrono-gladiators, blind cherubs, and mad prophets?

>>49632468

If they changed SoB into Armies of the Imperium: Ecclesiarchy, they could really make it into a major faction. They could easily do it, just look at the cherubs they put in all the marine kits and how they did Skitarii/AdMech.

It would also fulfill the currently missing niche of 40k equivalent to Sigmar priests.

>>49632468

I think imperial cultists would be a good start. Literally just a bunch of fanatics following a sisters crusade into the maws of hell.

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>>49632522
Fanatics are great. I'm working on some homebrew rules for the swarm of servo-skulls that billows around my Canoness-elect.

>>49631253
>>49631159
Seraphim is another name for the Sisters of Battle? Or something else entirely?

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>>49632749
It's the name of their jump pack infantry.

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>2016
>neckbeard whale-fanbase

>People still think GW will go an Imperator furiosa FEMINAZI army
>that a NECKBEARD FANBASE WILL BUY

Hentai cost $5 and you can literraly jerk on them, skyrim cost $3 and you can model any fetish.
Nobody will put $5000 for a feminazi army

>>49632749

It's their jump pack assault unit.

>>49632856
>Hentai cost $5 and you can literraly jerk on them, skyrim cost $3 and you can model any fetish.

You're wrong, I get both those things for free. AND HOW DID YOU KNOW I JERK OFF TO TONS OF HENTAI AND HAVE TONS OF HUGE TIT MODS ON SKYRIM?!

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>>49632856
what are you jabbering about anon?

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>>49632856
TGG1 Kickstarter: $698,548 pledged of $12,000 goal
TGG2 Kickstarter: $801,057 pledged of $30,000 goal
Kingdom Death Kickstarter: $2,049,721 pledged of $35,000 goal

People will apparently thrown money at all kinds of things. Of course, GW doesn't do market research, so they wouldn't know...

>>49632856
I'm making the mother of all omelettes here, can't fret over a few eggs.

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>>49632856
>shitty, overwrought bait

[YAWNING INTENSIFIES]

To be honest the best way to save the SoB is to go full SJW and complain that they're the only faction adding gender diversity to the game (apart from a few Eldar/DE models).

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>>49632884
>>49632904
>>49632911
>>49632924
>>49632927
We are an easily baited bunch, aren't we? Fuck.

>>49632911

I was going to say GW could never match RH or KD for hot babes but then I remembered their sexy elven queen of thighs bitch on battle beetle model.

I'd kill for plastic sisters but during the wait I keep expanding my all female Tempestus Scions force.

>>49632953

I don't really think it's B8 M8. All he's saying is they won't make SoB 'le current year' because their fan base will not be receptive to that.

All GW care about is money, pissing off SJW in theory should not really damage them financially.

>>49632911
Yep, it's like.... GW, let us buy your molds for you. We'll pay extra for plastic SOB. You could Kickstart the shit out of this.

A Space Marine Strikeforce currently runs what, $250? I'd kick in $300 for a similarly-sized SOB set. Give us a Canoness, Command Squad with a Priest, a Rhino, an Immolator, and 20 Sisters and 5 Seraphim.

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>>49632911
>The only beta neckbeards that want feminazi already bought all the mini they wanted on kickstarter

>GW will make millions buy developing completely new army

Choose one

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>>49632502
>If they changed SoB into Armies of the Imperium: Ecclesiarchy, they could really make it into a major faction.
B...but aren't they Ecclesiarchy the army?

>>49633155

That's like saying space marines are Imperium: the army, or GK are Inquisition: the army.

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>>49633155
The problem with SoB is the models.

If there was a Codex Imperialis : Ecclesiarchy, with dudes like pic related, it would be huge.

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>>49633213
>>49633222
But can Ecclesiarchy have armies of guys?

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>>49631159
You want to know a funny thing about the models from this kickstarter?

Most models, you need to drill out gun barrels. On these, you need to drill out the stiletto heels.

>>49633368
What if the Imperium doesn't consider eunechs and combat servitors men? They could also have some non-male support units that aren't just more SoB in power armor.

Also didn't Codex: WH have stormtroopers in them?

>>49633439
>Also didn't Codex: WH have stormtroopers in them?
I don't know I'm asking because I don't have any idea about how Sororitas works.

>>49633439
right unlike the priests in the current codex or the assassins or to the archoflagalents or the repentia or the crusaders

>>49633439inquisitorial stormtroopers were a thing

>>49633368
Nope, the Decree Passive prevents the Ecclisiarchy from having men under arms. So they exploit a loophole by having only women in their militant arm.

Though while the standing army is composed of only women, there are Priests and some others that don't fall inside the organization of the church military but still participates in combat.

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>>49630269
if it was just about the rules or derpy models the tyranids would have already been squatted

>>49631469
something like the skitarii battle protocole ?

>>49633038
>all female Tempestus Scions force
Are you just sticking female heads on your minis or are there female Not! Tempestus minis somewhere?

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>>49633155
>SororitaWetDreams.png

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>>49633086
There's a new deal for a SM box.

>>49633368
Arco-Flagellants and Penitent Engines are 'punishments' not weapons of war.
Crimson Cardinals are an order who use combat practice as meditation.
Bodyguards are not military.
Servitors are not military.
Frateris Militia are not part of the Church. The Church is just providing charity to them and they are just random men and women who have taken to defend the Church they know and love.
Blood Cult Assassins are seen in the same light as Fanatics, rogue elements unaffiliated with the Church.

Sometimes these elements come under scrutiny, mostly militia and fanatics, depending on how direct a connection can be drawn, but I would imagine defending the letter of the Decree Passive now days is pretty much nothing but lip service with the odd arsehole High Lord or Inquisitor wanting to big-note themselves at the cost of earning the Churches ire.

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>>49631159
Well my SoB army is pretty much done. Only needing two rhino chassis to make some chibi kawaii~ Exorcist

My Inquisitors have their transports at 10 tight ass female models for the dirt cheap psykers and gunboats.

So this babe nuns with guns would fit nicely as acolytes. All my HQ beside the Canoness and Celestin are male so I run my SoB as the Inquisitor's personal Battle Harem.

Admire my pale and shitty count as.

>>49627895
Is being pretty seen as cowardice in Sisters of battle.Are battle scarred woman respected more?

They will be one of the armies in the starterbox for 8th

>>49634885
This applies to all armies.

Scars=Veteran=more respect

>>49627752
is this from their new codex

>>49634720
They look more like the II Legion of the space marines.

>>49634975
I don't know, but she looks like a fanart.

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>>49634975
>new codex
That's so funny I'm going to need more then just a few laughing girls to get through it.

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>>49634975
>Inquisitorial Rosette instead of Chaplet Ecclesiarchus on her hip.

I'm guessing fanart like >>49635050 said.
GW, FFG and co rarely make that mistake.
99.9999999999999999999999999% of fanart makes it constantly.

>>49633368
They can't, but they get around it by saying "Sororitas aren't men, so suck it" and "Those priests, power-armored normal humans with swords and shields, death cultists, and swarms of fanatics? They're volunteers or contractors"

>>49634095
Perfect, I love it.

>>49635745
Can't some Sisters wear it because of service with the Inquisition?

>>49635745
Sororitas frequently serve the Inquisition since their faith and zealotry makes them ideal foes when fighting heretics and traitors of the Imperium and the Ministorum. They're the Chamber Militant of the Ordo Hereticus.

>>49636697
>>49636748
The Rosette doesn't just say I work for an Inquisitor, it says I AM an Inquisitor or are Officially acting as one.
Guards and co may have the image of the Rosette to signify who they work for but the actual Rosette is special.
Also the Sisters will still have their Chaplet on them. It's their official badge they take with them everywhere.

And no, the Sisters are not the Chamber Militant anymore. That retcon was retconned back out again.

sucks to see the state of this... chapter? faction? army?

i really wanna get into 40k and these are the only ones that truly caught my eye, and turns out the codex is old and the minis are of awful quality

>>49636995
The symbol of the Inquisition is not the same thing as an Inquisitor's Rosette. Inquisitorial Rosettes are typically heavily stylized badges that can provide identification data within that marks them as a legitimate member of whatever Order they serve. Inquisitorial troopers, Sororitas, Deathwatch, and Grey Knights can all carry the symbol around with them if they are or have served an Inquisitor.

>>49636995
>And no, the Sisters are not the Chamber Militant anymore. That retcon was retconned back out again.
According to what?

>>49634101
>SoB thread
>SM shill
>US$250
>plastic
>deal

Yeah, nah. Yer a cunt.

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>>49631159
Yes, it's silly to use them as "Seraphims".
Better to use pic related as Seraphims, and to use those gunslinger nuns for a footslogging unit instead.

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>>49629087
Can't wait to purge in such a classy company.

>>49638033
Those don't go well with regular SoBs in my opinion.

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>>49634885
Working in a female dominated environment irl, I suspect that pretty sisters actually have a harsher time than the rest.
And the fact that the most scarred and wrinkled old fart is usually the canoness.

But on the other hand, since the Imperial Creed states that the human body is the perfect lifeform, maybe taking maniacal care of your body is encouraged, with heavy make-up, reconstructive surgery and juvenating treatments. And it's easy PR for the Ecclesiarchy. Especially for the orders famulous.
>cucumber masks for the Emperor.

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repentia or arco-flagellant?

>>49641463
None of the Raging shits do, really. It's all TERA-levels of ugly skimpy design, and tries too hard with the church aesthetic to where models have more churches on them than a Knight's base.

>>49641754
>gun

Neither

>>49641754
Repenta who for some strange reason has a gun.

ArcoF's kinda need their flails, and don't use giant chainswords.

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>>49641912
Here's one of the few decent third party designs imo.

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>>49642001
>one of

You mean the ONLY

>>49642001
Is he still producing?

This might be the place to ask. A few years ago a friend sold me about 40 sisters and a cannoness for absurdly cheap considering they just have to be stripped of paint and I have to hide that a few are missing the backpacks.
I'm looking at about 35 with bolters and a few special weapons.
My to-buy wishlist is
1 Celistine
3 Rinos
3 Exorcists
1 Vindicare Assassin
2 Heavy flamer sisters.
Beyond that though, where should I go to round them out with allies or such. I was thinking an allied Guard detatchment for lascannons and armour and I could convert them to be longcoats, but would they synergise any?

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>>49642099

Allies are for quitters

>>49641713
A modern woman grows up with a completely different expected mindset and lifestyle. Sisters live a monastic life of constant prayer and training and education. You don't gossip and slander due to a grudge, you let your Sister confess her sins and receive an appropriate punishment from your superiors.

So how are Raging Heroes and Grishnak models coming along ? Can you already order them ?

>>49642546
Some of the RH heroes are done, but we're still waiting for the troops models. (I have three squads, a squad of repentia and a squad of seraphim on order from them, I've recieved one character mini.)

>>49642423
Eh, I've always preferred the idea of sisters being deployed with another force if only because plebian guardsmen would be inspired or think they're cool or the like.

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>tfw you will never be able to paint this scheme

>>49642001

10/10 body, 0/10 face

>>49642597
>mfw chapter lore says they rescued a church of SoB and had a mural made in their honor
>maybe I can make an army of super church friends who all worship the Emperor, like adding SoB, Fire Angels, or Black Templar allies
>Desperate Allies with SoB and other marines

FW pls

>>49642665
Who now?

>>49642597

You could say the same thing about Space Marines allied with guard.

When you start allying with sisters. Bayou run into the problem of "Oh, these guys are better, guess I'll ally sister's into them" which leads to "why am I wasting points allying sisters when I can ally anything else?"

>>49634720
Are their hands empty and easy to convert into using GW weapons or did you have to cut something off ?

Also thin your paints.

>>49642577
Can you take a photo of the character ?

>>49634720
Drilled meltas look dumb as fuck.

>>49642875
Well, I am basically keeping them around for flavor and tokenism. I'd sell them and buy into some of the third party models if I didn't think I'd hurt my friend's feelings.

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>>49643044
I don't have a lightbox and I'm kind of ashamed of my paintjob on her. This is their photo of the mini if that's any help? She's about 0.5-1 cm taller than a cadian.

>>49643030
Different anon, same project.

Hands are empty and hold Space Marine weapons just fine.

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>>49643030
>>49643162
Meant to post a picture.

>>49643138
Depends on how much the quality of the mini you received compare to the one in the photo ?

>>49643368
Better if anything. I've had about twenty minis from their first kickstarter too, and the biggest issue I've had with any of it has been a little too much stuff that needed trimming off.

>>49633086
GW shit is already retardedly overpriced. Paying another markup on top of that for the privilege of being able to buy shit from them is idiotic. They just need to get their heads out of their arses.

>>49643138
cant find this, is it only in kickstarter

>>49630026
I'm not saying they aren't just that they shouldn't be.

>>49629996
I'm sorry but in a universe where the Imperial Knights, Skitarii and Stormtroopers have their own codexes and Chaos is now like 4 factions I'm pretty sure we can make some space for the damn Sisters.

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>>49641754
Death-masked Penitent. Similar principal to the Arco-flagellant, but shooty and choppy rather than just choppy.
>>49634885
Sisters are warriors after all. The more experienced ones are going to take injuries.
Frankly, it's one of the most refreshing things about 40k. Usually hot chicks stay smooth-skinned, even if they're supposed to be veteran warriors.
>>49644033
>4 Factions
Not one of which is a fucking Traitor Legions book, neither. Where have my infiltrating Veterans gone?!

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>>49644407

I like the wounded leader, especially for a Canoness because she leads from the front lines.

>>49644033
>Chaos is now like 4 factions
To be fair, that actually makes sense.

>>49645161
That's true but the Skitarii, Imperial Knights, and Scions are all fucking retarded and none of those should exist if the Sisters, who've been around since the beginning are on the verge of being squatted.

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>>49645589
>Genestealer cults got new models before sisters

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>>49627625
If you want some updated rules for sisters, check out the fandex I've been working with /tg/ on for the past few months. We've been focusing on giving the SoB a fair and balanced update without trading out what makes them SoB or making them female space marines, and has been subjected to a relatively rigorous playtesting process:
https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Codex_-_Adepta_Sororitas:_/tg/_7th_Edition

I doubt SoB are getting squatted. GW has actually been steadily increasing their presence in the setting ever since their lowest point in 5th edition (when they were barely even mentioned in the 5e BRB. Now, they have their own section in the lore part of the BRB, a 6e codex that left them in a far better state than they were in 5e, and a prominent place in Shield of Baal. Also, we've been hearing conflicting rumors from people who "know guy(s) in Nottingham" for years, so I don't really believe any of that until GW actually does something one way or the other.

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>>49646381
I like your fandex quite a bit. What models did you envision using for the Repentia Bikers.

>>49646381
I really just wish all of the models where there. I would buy them all in metal if they were there.

I still dont get how alot of you fuckers love Sisters of Battle so much.


I feel like its just been the same guys for 7 years begging for this shit.

>>49646463
Largely it is the fact that they are ornate and have the Gothic theme very clearly in them where as the other armies like marines are only partly that because they are more si-fi. The fact that they are all nuns with guns is funny like most armies have there comedy side. Imagine an army of catholic nuns chasing a man for jacking off and try not to giggle.Plus the books like Faith and Fire were cool, they were what got me into 40k.

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>>49646411
>>49646425
The FAQ has links to models you can use for Mortias and Dominators. For Mortias specifically, Prodos' Space Crusade Amazons pic related are the closest facsimiles I could find, although Wargame Exclusive and Ragin Heroes' Jailbirds lines also have decent biker models that would probably work.

Prodos: http://shop.prodosgames.com/space-crusade/236-amazons.html
WE: http://wargameexclusive.com/shop/heresy-hunters/female-imperial-inquisitor-with-revengewing-bike-28mm/
RH: http://www.ragingheroes.com/products/winter-pack-jailbirds-daughters-of-anarchy

Yeah, they have guns, but finding female biker minis without guns is damn near impossible.

>>49646463
I can't speak for the other anons here, but I didn't start playing the game until 5e, and didn't really get into SoB until about a year ago when the new Tau codex came out and I wanted to play an army that I could actually lose with.

>>49646463
>7 years
Try 10. Also Sisters are one of the few links left to classic 80s heavy metal/2000AD inspired 40k. The John Blanche art for the 2e Sisters codex is one of the most iconic pieces of 40k art.

>>49646691
post it?

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>>49646719
I posted some here >>49646381

also, pic related is their 2e codex cover by JB

>>49646381

>Seraphim Superiors still can't get dual plasma
>30 points for inferno pistols
>Celestians have 4WS, 2A, and no melee options like a Sarissa
>Dominions can't take Repressor
>Retributers with SnP is nice, but hurts the HF, MM wastes the Rending AoF, which means leaves a largely useless HB
>Warlord trait gives 5+ to SoF instead of +1 in case of Seraphim

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>>49646586
Thank you, that's perfect.

>>49647118
>Seraphim Superiors still can't get dual plasma
SoB don't exactly have ready access to plasma anything (prolly thanks to their bad relations with AdMech). That's why trinity pistols are there.

>30 pt inferno pistols
They're 15 pts in the ranged weapons list, so that seems fair to me.

>Celestians have 4WS, 2A, and no melee options like a Sarissa
Same thing goes for Sternguards. Celestians aren't supposed to be dedicated melee troops; it's not their role. However, the WS4 and A2 means they can handle themselves better than most other shooty units in the codex (which matches their description as combat vets).

>Dominions can't take Repressor
That's a typo, thanks for catching it. I'll fix that.

>Retributers with SnP is nice, but hurts the HF, MM wastes the Rending AoF, which means leaves a largely useless HB
I'm thinking about making SnP a free upgrade that the unit can take to address this issue. As for their AoF, I'm not really sure what a better alternative would be.

>Warlord trait gives 5+ to SoF instead of +1 in case of Seraphim
True, but we're trying to keep this thing as balanced as possible, and having a chance of running a Seraphim unit with 4++ seems a mite cheesy to me.

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>>49646586
>>49647363

So, any suggestions for just light combat bikes? No riders required?

>>49647439
I haven't looked. There might be something out there though.

>>49627752
smug celestian is 20/10 reaction face

>>49642639
That's why they have helmet options, unlike that GW models do.

>>49647384

>Seraphim are trained to dual wield pistols
>regarded as the elite elite Sororitas
>Superior can only find a single plasma pistol

Right.

>15pts in angled lost seems fine
A melta gun is 10 points, a melta gun at half range is 15 points? Keep in mind that unlike space Marines, which is where the cost came from, that +1A does nothing because S3. They are horribly over costed at 15 points for many reasons, not to mention that their AoF does nothing to help it.

>Celestians
Fine. The AoF is nice at least

>Retributers
The Rending is really good over the course of a game, but only once is hit or miss. Rending and reroll failed armor would make them more appealing because they fight with the exorcist slot. That makes MM more appealing and the SnP less odd.

>4++ unbalanced
Hold on while I stop laughing.

You can't honestly tell me that a unit of single wound T3 models with a 3+/4++ is game breaking, especially when it's a 1/6 chance (1/3 with reroll I guess). By the way, it's possible to have a 5++ rerollable in the current dex.

>>49646792
What's the name of this metal band?

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>>49647616
John Blanche, you fool.

man i really feel at this point with the current codex, sisters should just straight up get their acts of faith as special rules instead of this one use and you have to roll for it bullshit

>>49647818

Seriously, would it actually be that bad if Battle Sisters had preferred enemy all the time? Rending Retributers still have to fight against Exorcists, Furious Charge celestians are still the worst unit in the codex. The only potential issue would be Seraphim and Doms. Permanent ignores cover or shred is kinda sketchy, but fuck it.

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>>49647818
I'm very leery of power creep. I'd rather see Genestealer cults tuned down than Sisters tuned up, for example.

But then again, I do love the Pylgrim rulesset, so it's not as thought I'm much of an authority of game balance.
https://ironsleet.com/2016/01/12/building-your-pilgrimage-by-the-dozen/

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The issue with sisters is they need a ground up revamp.

Every single unit needs to be resculpted to be made in plastic.

And in order to get them to sell beyond the 20 people in the world that currently play them the rules would need to be broken as hell as to make them the new tourney top dog.

Its too much time and money to invest into something that other companies currently make and make better then GW could.

So their fate is to be pushed aside.

Im sure the very small but VERY vocal few who play sisters will whine and bitch saying GW will go out of business now (for the 347th time this year).

You can deal with it, or not. I really dont care.

They are neat thats for sure. But the sun is setting for SOB.

>>49647857
Not to mention, not only would GW need to re-release the whole currently-existing range, but they'd have to make some new units, too; the Sisters codex is very bare-bones now, compared to all of the other primary codexes. Only having one Troops unit, for example, whereas most codexes have at least two

I wouldn't be entirely against them squatting the Sisters since I only play HoR Kill Team now anyway, and I think it'd be fun to fluff my order as being among the last remaining hold-outs of the Adepta Sororitas, under the command/protection of my Inquisitor.

It's totally selfish, and I don't *actually* want them to be squatted, but I could totally work with it if they did.

>>49647857
Yeah, they need something along the lines of a 3E-to-5E Dark Eldar-style makeover in terms of models, rules, and playstyle expansion. It'll take a lot more work to make them stand out in an environment where there are already so many Imperium factions. They might even just go "Codex: Ecclesiarchy" if they ever do it. .

>>49647857

I personally know 4 people willing to drop at least $300 on sisters, but haven't because they're all old, expensive metal. I hear it all the time.

Hell, I own 2k worth and I'd drop $500-800 tomorrow if they announced them.

>>49647980
I think while they might squat them as an army, they'll never remove them as an organization from the fluff.

They literally just did a brand new release for GScult which is also a 20 year old army that was nearly as much of a joke as squats with goofy limos and shit. There's no reason to believe they'd squat sisters.

>>49647593
>Superior can only find a single plasma pistol
Plasma tech is extremely rare, the AdMech has most of it, and they don't really get along with the SoB. It's not outlandish to assume that they don't have enough plasma pistols lying around to equip more than their officers.

>inferno pistols
That's a fair point. I'll probably incorporate that.

>You can't honestly tell me that a unit of single wound T3 models with a 3+/4++ is game breaking
We have a unit that numbers between 5 and 10 models, and costs 75-150 points. They can come in the Angelic Host formation, which allows them to re-roll failed invuln saves.

Assuming they don't come in the formation, every model in the squad basically gets a free rosarius (a 15 point upgrade on any other unit) which means you've effectively given them between 75 and 150 points of free wargear (depending on how many models are in the unit). Even worse, if you take them in an Angelic Host, they get a re-rollable 4++, which translates to a 25% chance to survive nearly anything. That's better than their armor, which gives a 33% chance, and that only works on weapons that don't penetrate it.

So yeah, I'm slightly concerned about incorporating something like that into the army.

>>49648188
Agreed. Not to mention their slow-but-sure resurgence in fluff over the past couple of years.

>>49648005

>I personally know 4 people willing to drop at least $300 on sisters

And i personally know 8 willing to drop more on LOTR if they bring back some key units like Dunlending warriors with bows / 2h weapons and command, muhad warriors with blow pipes and a handfull other units.

And all that would require is GW just using molds they already have and not needing to revamp an entire line.

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>>49648388
I've never tried GW's LotR game, but I love their minis. Is it any good?

>>49648430
The game is good. It's basically what AoS wanted to be except not shit and retarded.

>>49648430

Rules system is very solid.

It matters a lot more on how you play and a lot less on what you take.

Over the years i have seen all kinds of lists win overall at toruneys. Hobbits, Goblins, Gondor, Roahn, Mordor... everything.

Some of the newer Hobbit line is a tad OP. But nothing too crazy from what i have see. Aside from the goblin scribe. fuck him. He is so stupid good he is banned in tourney use. Great for fun battles.

But yeah there is no win button army or list in the LOTR game. Skill matters more then army choice.

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>>49648498

>It's basically what AoS wanted to be

Whats really funny is that the War of the Ring game is what WFB should have been.

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I've updated the fandex. The latest version (0.95) can be downloaded on the 1d4chan page:
https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Codex_-_Adepta_Sororitas:_/tg/_7th_Edition

Mostly minor tweaks. The most notable change is the reduction of inferno pistols from 15 pts/each to 10pts/each.

>>49647439
Ramshackle games maybe?

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>>49645723
They were waiting much long.

>>49632884
> TONS OF HUGE TIT MODS ON SKYRIM
> Not using just CBBE and bodyslide
pleb pls

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>>49649063
I still think the codex need a renegade nun on wheels solo unit.

Make it an expensive beacon on a bike that can't join squads. It has a 12" Simulacras, maybe a re-roll to shield of faith rolls. Basically a bubble of special rules. Give the model a single trinity gun or just a bolt pistol.

The entire point is to be a joke and usefull unit.


I'd love to give loud hailers some kind of orders rules like scion Mechanicus and guard (that seems to be a theme with the new T3 human armies)

What could those rules be no idea. Since most of them would overlap with AoF

>>49650229
Just give her war hymns that apply to any unit within the 12"

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>>49636995
>That retcon was retconned back out again.
No, it's just no longer mentioned explicitly. Just like how the new Deathwatch codex doesn't once call them the Chamber Militant of the Ordos Xenos. They still share a function, still share plenty of iconography, are still mentioned together in multiple 7E sources, but GW has shied from the words "Chamber Militant of the Inquisition" for some reason.

>>49650267
That would overlap with priest.

I know I want a biker nun with bubble support. What would that be not sure.

>>49636748
>They're the Chamber Militant of the Ordo Hereticus.

3e called, they want you to stop spreading lies.

>>49635745
To top if all off, the Rosette even has the crossed lightning bolts associated with Unification War era.

>>49650387
I know, but a priest's only apply to the unit he's with, don't they?

>>49650467
Indeed.

But then again the priest cost 25 points. And their powers only work in close combat.

Maybe not a simulacra but a re-roll AoF or allows to re-roll anything tha needs a Ld test.

>>49644033
>Skitarii
Are a perfectly good faction who've been deserving an army ever since the AdMech were a thing in the fluff. I'm not a fan of their codex being seperated from the AdMech codex however.

>>49649063
Hey, it's you again. I talked to you a few weeks ago and really dumped a few pages of text on you maybe you remember me. I'm the guy who suggested the super exorcist Lord of war, and I'm back with another suggestion. Please. Oh, please put this one in. I've been running Celestine in a squad of seraphim since I started playing and immediately fell in love with the idea of hammer of wrath attacks. They are there to represent an angry sister of battle flying at you and decking you from the skies. The problems i have with this are two fold. 1. It isn't as awesome as it could be. 2. There aren't any actual hammers. Now, it's my understanding that some codexes get thunder hammers. Why can't we have them? I know HoW will still be S3 but that's fine. I just want seraphim with thunder hammers. Maybe keep the same special rules restrictions for # in a squad. Maybe make them flying repentia. I don't really care if they're over costed. I just want a tiny sister of battle to fly through the air and smack the snot out of each of my friend's HQ's with a thunder hammer.

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>>49650267
I'd rather have biker nuns as debuff units. SoBs wouldn't gain much from such a mobile support in a lot of cases, and a harrasser is always welcome.

>>49647439
Look for historical mini producers, they tend to be cheaper. Battlefront and Eureka miniatures both offer bikes from something like $2. There's also Curious Constructs, but last time I checked their website was under maintenance.
I you want something more distinctive like a chopper, prices go up quite fast.

I can swear I saw some game with nuns of wheels, vampire highway patrol and rockabilly werewolves minis in the mid 2000s, but I don't remember the name.

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Theory I am subscribed to is that GW will wait until the very last model is sold from their stock... and THEN will release something to do with the Sisters... and new models.
Think money.

>>49652433
That's not how it works. As has been mentioned years ago that if GW had stock lying around they could just melt it down and use it for something else. But they don't because GW doesn't keep shitloads of stock, they make stuff as needed and Sisters have had occasional restocks.

>>49652433
They'd lose a shitton of business to raging heroes.

My theory is they're waiting till RH officially release their line, then they're going to squat the army.

>>49650303
Maybe they want to avoid making the armies seem like they're just a sub-faction of the Inquisition?

>>49652483
Does GW even cast anything in metal any more?

>>49652563
That would require some form of marketing research. From the company that proudly said they didn't do that

>>49653614
Most companies subcontract for market research.

>>49654905
And GW won't even do that.

>>49654981
Since they have an actual chain of stores owned and operated by them they can get away with doing little market research by directly examining sales numbers and interviewing employees. However, that's purely reactive and leaves them struggling in the face of sudden market shifts.

>>49651225

Sisters don't use hammers, they use Evicerators aka giant chainswords, which is a more unique option imho.

>>49653614
That was under their old CEO. Current one seems much more business-savvy. GW's been changing policies under him.

>>49655443
Maybe some kind of extra-large Eviscerator for maximum airdropped bisectioning.

>>49656319

I don't think you understand how big an Evicerator is

>>49656656
It's 40K, it can always be bigger. Or just reinforced and redesigned.

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does this count?

>>49656319
Power Eviscerator.

>>49629180
>the Ecclesiarchy will never be the subject of a mega-grimdark, critically acclaimed anime series
kill me

>>49632502
Fucking how cool would that be? Ecclesiarchial stormtroopers, crusaders, and bolter bitches would look great on the tabletop.

>>49658889
Literally the old witch hunters codex.

>>49655443
Then let my seraphim take those. Ill model them as hammers since the stat block is similar. I just want an excuse for thunder hammer seraphim

>>49658889
You can already do that. I want more and new Sisters stuff.

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>>49658889
You need to check out the 4E Witch Hunter's codex. Such a gorgeous book.

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>>49627875
The sister on top of the hill looks like she is literally shouting "Come at me, bro!" And the only reason the Tau miss, is her strong faith slightly redirecting the bullets/plasma bolts.

Hilarious.

Literally pic related.

>>49629648
I just purchased a killteam heratics at the LGS are getting cleansed in prommetheum

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>>49661145
It looks like you've already cleansed yourself of punctuation. Well done, Sister.

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>>49650229
You could build a Living Saint to fulfill this roll.

>>49651225
>>49655443
>>49656319
>>49658975
It's a cool idea, but it doesn't really gel with how Seraphim work. They're designed to be skirmishers that primarily use pistols to harass and lock down the enemy. And they are one of the most unique aspects to the SoB, so I'm hesitant to turn them into female assault marines with thunder hammers/eviscerators. That being said, I completely agree that Hammer of Wrath is an underwhelming rule. It should at least have Concussive or something.

>>49662101

Yea, Seraphim are actually pretty great and always have been. Their thing has always been dual pistols, and its in their fluff. The only thing they need to bring back is them using their pistols in CC. They never had rules for it, but it was part of their fluff. Also, they need to hit and run on I4 again

For Seraphim HoW, give the enemy some sort of penalty because Seras are supposed to angelic and terrifying. "Wrath of Angels - units hit by Sera HoW suffer -(1-2) Ld until their next turn" or something. Hell, maybe just concussive.

As for a new unit, I could see jump Evicerators with a 5+ Shield of Faith.

Also, I want a SoB bike squad that uses lances with drive by attacks like jousters

>>49662200
Chain-lances?

>>49662200
>Also, I want a SoB bike squad that uses lances with drive by attacks like jousters
I've wanted that for a very long time. Sisters already have a French knight theme going for them, and it would help differentiate them from Space Marine bikers a bit.

>>49662221

There are so many reasons why that wouldn't work. I was thinking witch lances aka power lances with psy shock.

>>49662251

I'm picturing them all armored up on a beefy WWII style bike holding a fuck hueg power lance and a bolt pistol at their side.

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>>49662293
>>49662293
Eh, if the chain-lance had a sort of Y-shaped end, it might work.

Also, this is 40k. I'm not sure logic is allowed.

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>>49627752

>sisters of battle get power swords as standard gear
>space marines barely have like 50 per chapter

what the fuck

>>49662432
Sure, but then it's not really a lance.

The only way I could see a "chain lance" working is if it were basically an Evicerator strapped to the bike that turned their HoW hits into chain fist (s6 ap2 armorbane). I'd be cool with that.

>>49662491

They also have 100x more power armor than space Marines. What's your point?

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>>49662491
I don't know that power swords were ever described as extremely rare. I mean, there are descriptions of power-drills, power-flails, power-hats, power-canes, and power-rapiers in the fluff. I don't think that power fields are a lost art in the Imperium.

Plus, their swords are smaller.

>>49662491
The ecclesiarchy, like the catholic church, is rich as fuck.

>>49662491
Not sure how lore accurate >>49627752 is, but in the codex, only the Celestian Superior can have a power sword, and even then she doesn't get it stock.

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>>49662200
>>49662221
>>49662251
>>49662293
>>49662540
>SoB bike squad that uses lances with drive by attacks like jousters
>French knight theme
Y'know, I didn't want to add any more new units to the codex, but this is a really great idea. I'm not sure if this will be a component of the main 'dex or not, but I'll definitely give it some thought. Right now, I'm working on making an Ephrael Stern dataslate (ala Cypher) and converting rules for all the new shit from the fandex for 40k roleplay.

>>49647593
Not him, but twin Inferno Pistols on Seraphim is 30pt in the current codex.

Don't get me wrong, a lot of things in the fandex is way over costed (the saint rules are a joke for their points) but twin melta pistols for 30pt is not one of them.

>>49662870

The problem is they're overpriced in the current Codex.

In my wishlist the biker sisters are called chevaliere and have storm/suppression shields to go with their lances.

>>49662542
figs are even fug lier than what third eye nuke shit regularly. And that's saying something

>>49662899
30pt for what is essentially an assault 2 S8 AP1 melta at BS4 isn't that unreasonable, and they still get the +1 attack bonus in CC.

>>49662960

You forget the part where they have a SIX INCH RANGE. That's 3" for the extra d6. They should be 20 points for the pair because an extra S3 attack at I3 is literally worthless. They're 15 points for Marines who's extra attack actually matters.

>>49663036
I agreed with this point. I can't recall ever seeing anyone use inferno pistols on Seraphim, nor have I ever used them myself, for this very reason.

>genestealer cults
>harlies
>DW
>admech

There literally aren't any arguments left for not investing in an update for them with that list.

>>49662491
I'm getting weirded out by the way Matt Leblanc is turning into my dad.

>>49663095
Just cost inferno pistols as hand flamers.

On a side note I wish SoB would have move through cover at least in ruins.

After all they seem a city fighting force at their core.

>>49664508

Not always. They're pretty much everywhere.

>>49662200
>>49662817
Sisters Jousters vs Skitarii Sydonian Dragoons that would be cool as fuck

>>49664428
Absolutely, I mean it seems they underestimated the thirst for Genestealer Cults as is, so it's not a stretch that they might just literally not understand how hype folks are for sisters

>>49664508
Move through cover would of course be handy but I really don't see a reason for them to get it.
Due to their gear they seem to excel at city fighting but I would not say they are a city fighting force at their core. They're just ladies with tons of flame

I could more see handing them crusader in general but I think you could VERY easily do a formation that gets Move through Cover just straight up, I would highly agree with something like Sisters, Dominions, Retributors in a formation that gets MtC

The irony is that even if Sisters got new models now, GW prices are so inflated that they'd actually be more expensive than they already were.

>>49665415
Doubtful. 10 genestealer cult guys are £25, marines and chaos amrines are all within £2 of that too.

10 sisters are £50. That's more expensive than forge world.

>>49634720
>I run my SoB as the Inquisitor's personal Battle Harem.
I have never met you and I never will.

I want you to know I am transmitting my hatred of you to the universe though.

May it one day poison you, causing you to grow sick and die.

>>49645589
Skitarii have always existed and Scions are just rebranded Stormtroopers because GW couldn't copyright Stormtooper.

Knights, cool as they are, do not fit in at all IMO.

>>49665344
GW is a strange company, it's products are luxury, for a nitch hobby. For some reason they don't take into account the consumer feedback or do proper marketing research and just see sales figures which in this market is suicidal. But since GW is so old and big it can survive this suicidal tendency by sheer brute force.

The amount of third party models for their games should be enough for GW to actually do proper business but they don't.

I work for blueberries and we do a fuck tone of research of the market. That is basically luxury equivalents of fruit.

>>49647996
They SHOULD go Codex Ecclesiarchy, and SoB should be elite troop choices.

>>49665553
No thanks.

>>49665579
It's what is best for the line and best for the sisters. As power armor troops they SHOULD be elites in fewer numbers OR they need to be retconned to wearing carapace/flak.

>>49665525
It's a joke anon.

>>49665592
that being said I can see an Inquisitor who requests specific sororitas he meets during his travels to be part of his retinue because he was 'impressed' with their 'piety'

It just so happens that they are also the prettiest and hottest SoB he meets in any given location.

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>>49665589
Look if you do that you lose their general niche. One of their main deals is being t3 models/troops with +3 saves. It's a weird niche but it's theirs.

It makes them kind of interesting in that they are sort of inbetween mass gunlines/troop swarms and the little tacticool elites squads.

It gives them a weird and interesting flexibility and you shouldn't try and make them bland for convenience sake

>>49665538
Why do they obsess so much over copyright now? It's been working fine for them since the 80s, so why the sudden need to slap the tiny little "c" on everything that isn't nailed down?

>>49665655
Because chapterhouse.

>>49665610
Huuuuuge . . . devotion to the emperor

>>49665655
Probably because they floated on licensing shit for a bit, so they want that as a fallback.

>>49665645
I don't give a shit about their niche. Their niche has always been under-powered and unattractive to most players.

It's not "bland" it's verisimilitude. The units and armies of course would be re-balanced and restatted and sisters given stronger abilities to reflect their new elite status.

>>49665655
They used to sue everyone who stepped on what they considered theirs. Then they got their shit slapped by Chapterhouse

>>49665543
>But since GW is so old and big it can survive this suicidal tendency by sheer brute force.

The analogies between the GW and the Imperium are uncanny, aren't they?

>>49665696
I said it when AoS first came out that it's hilarious how GW went from a garage operation with a universe inspired by satirical anti-authoritarianism/anti-fascism works to a large company producing unironic fascism-worship shit, culminating in them destroying their own universe to create a new one where the "heroes" are faceless, identical golden supermen oppressing the unwashed hordes while their company sues the shit out of a bunch of garage companies.

>>49665694
Didn't the Spot the Space Marine debacle also cause it, since they realized courts wouldn't let them sue housewives over a term that's been sci-fi public domain for decades?

>>49665781
It was a lot of things, Chapterhouse has kind of become a catchall colloquialism for all the reasons GW was finally forced to stop patent trolling as a source of income and stifling the market

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>>49665694
That's silly, if they're +3 elites in power armour why have sisters? Just play space marines, not religious enough? Black Templars

If they're yet MORE standard t3 humanish models, why have sisters? Just play Astra Militarum, Scions, Genecult, Chaos Cultists, Renegades and Heretics, Skitarii, or Tau

If you want t3 elites without power armour, why have sisters just play Eldar, Deldar, Scions again, or Inquisition

What your proposing just makes them sort of have no real place, and at that point just toss them into fluff and forget it.

It should feel unique and interesting to play disparate factions, ya dig?

>>49665826
>why have sisters? Just play space marines

And here you have the crux of the problem as to why SoB's do not sell in the first place.

There is nothing unique about the SoB's. All of their signature equipment and tactics are just worse versions of existing armies. They have acts of faith, which are 100% crapshoot and could easily be grafted onto an Ecclesiarchy army.

There are too many imperial armies already.

>>49665852
Well, we could always roll BA, DA and SW into vanilla codex and GK and DW in with Inquisition. That's give us 5 Imperial armies less. 6 if you unite Skitarii and Cult Mechanicus. Maybe put Knights in there as well. Scions into IG. That's 8 armies less.

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>>49665852
I mean as it stands they are more blobby than SM, Less blobby than guard, have generally greater access to flame and melta, probably even moreso than Salamanders, as well as access to general buffs like banners and war hymns out the ass. Not evening getting into particularly unique things like Seraphim and Saints.

They are pretty unique, they just have shit ancient models which are for the most part inaccessible to players and I will agree that AoF are shit and utter garbage as it stands, that of course should be adjusted

Yes there are too many fucking armies, predominantly too many fucking flavours of space marine.

But sisters are honestly pretty unique and hold their own in terms of their feel and style of play.

And if you're gonna base those perceptions on what they are "worse than" then why play any army? Every faction is worst at something than another, and fuck look at poor Ork players, should we just fucking squat them since they've been shit for ages at this point?

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>>49665967
>>49665891
reply >>49666402

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>>49662293
Chain lances don't seem too far-fetched for 40k.
Hunting lances with melta/frag/thermobaric tips and a backup sword/pair of pistols would be more "realistic" imo, though.

>>49665463
>FW makes new sisters
>beautiful yet cheaper models, with tons of nice poses and unusual characters.
Why do you taunt me so, anon?

>>49665852

Sisters are an elite horde army specializing in short range weapons. They put more bodies on the table than SM, but less than guard. They have the same saves as SM, but take more wounds, ect. For a long time, Seraphim were arguably the best jump infantry in the game and are still fairly unique.

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>>49670109
I wish we had more sisters with dual pistols. It's supposed to be their ancestral way of fighting after all.
And the idea of SoBs going all gun kata on the Emperor's foes is simply wonderful.

>>49670109
Making SoB a mid-range, defense oriented army backed by hard-hitting hit and run units would be a pretty good niche for them.

>>49671671

I think celestians and Vets should have dual pistols instead of bolt guns. Like Seraphim, they are the elite elite and should have something to show besides being a bad vet squad. It gives them an extra CCW to use their AoF while remaining unique to sisters.

>>49671918

Exactly. Hell, they already play that way. Nearly all SoB armies relentlessly spearhead forward in Immolators backed by Seraphim and Exorcists.

Imagine a unit of jousters (need a name. Ascensor? Latin for rider/charioteer? Yes. Yes this.) no, an Ascensor squad rolls in off the table edge, then you get assaulted by Seraphim. At the end of the next combat on your turn, they hit and run leaving you wide open to the Ascensor power lances as they plow into the rest of your squad. Meanwhile, there's 2 repressors rolling up the table with a pair of Immolators right behind it. All the while, you're forced to avoid two firing lanes created by the exorcists that have been raining hell from down field.

>>49672627
Ascensor sounds good, though due to language evolution it brings to mind flight (it's also the Spanish word for elevator).

I'd like to see some more vehicles based on light, airborne AFVs. Particularly the M56 Scorpion and M50 Ontos or various SPAAGs.

>>49665538
Skitarii always existed as a faction sure but they are simply the military arm of the AdMech, no more really their own faction than the Deathwatch or Sisters for that Matter.

>Scions are just rebranded Stormtroopers

I get that, which is why it's so annoying to me. Stormtroopers were fine as a elite subunit of the Imperial Guard but to make them into their own faction with it's own codex is stupid. Might as well make Rough Riders or Terminators their own codexes too if we're gonna do that.

>>49673347
>as a elite subunit of the Imperial Guard
Stormtroopers were always their own, unique regiment separate and distinct from the regular Imperial Guard.

They're on the same tier of "their own faction" as the harlequins.

>>49665826
Realistically you're putting way too much focus on people actually playing tournament games and trying to min max. I doubt most SoB players, or any of those factions are sitting there thinking of it in terms of "well I want to play a shooty faction but I don't like range 24 so much, I would rather play a 36 inch basic weapon, but then again I kind of want to have T4 units instead of the T3 Tau". For most people I know it's more about the faction's feel and lore and appearance. Switching their stats around slightly doesn't change their lore much, their appearance or even necessarily their flavour.

You actually kind of hit the nail on the head here :

>If they're yet MORE standard t3 humanish models, why have sisters? Just play Astra Militarum, Scions, Genecult, Chaos Cultists, Renegades and Heretics, Skitarii, or Tau

You name like 7 factions with t3 standard models and yet think that adding one more will somehow be a huge detriment to them when it's obvious that that isn't even a niche since there's so many. In fact every single one of those armies is either newer or has been heavily rebranded since the last Sister's update which is to say that if they're already adding new T3 standard models in such abundance one more will hardly ruin anything.

>>49673491
Honestly half the arguments against Sisters I've read boil down to "other faction has THING, therefore Sisters can't have THING."

>>49673374
Yeah the same way that a paratrooper or spec ops force is different and distinct from conventional infantry, but to split the US military into 65 branches for each and every specialised unit doesn't make sense. The Stormtroopers had their own unique training, organization and structure, but they were still part of the larger Imperial Guard organization.

Considering that the IG codexes have for a long time allowed for regimental variations, and entire army list changes with the fully mechanised/armoured forces possible I don't see why the Scions couldn't just be given an option like that within the IG codex instead of being split into their own faction, and essentially retconned into some entirely new thing.

>>49673573

We've been over this. Sisters are a short range elite horde army. That's their niche.

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>>49673491
I think you missed my argument, I'm arguing against a tournament mentality being presented in: >>49665694
>>49665589

an issue is that Sisters are unique in fluff and unique on the field and those sort of support eachother well, sisters fill a sort of weird spot in lore and in use so it just feels right.

Sisters are wacko nuns who tossed on some power armour and go fuck shit up with flames and melta in a general sense

I'm generally advocating leaving them to their general niche both in lore and in game. If you redo them as more horde they're just lady guard with some flamer access, if you make them more elite they're just female Salamanders space marines. I'm not even saying the niche is or should be good just that it should be there.

>>49673609
I know, I'm not arguing against that. I'm saying that a lot of arguments against the Sisters boil down to either "another faction can do something similar so Sisters are unnecessary" or "Sisters can't have a unit because another army has a similar unit."

>>49672627
Should be a type of angel, like Seraphim or Dominion

>>49673668
I guess I did miss that, fair enough then.

We know the side of the SoB that are zealous flamer-obsessed crazies on the battlefield but remember they also teach, raise orphans, heal the sick and all that.

Is there any fluff or stories about SoB in a convent or in "peacetime" just being kindly nun types, playing with kids, reading them literature, cheering up crying kids, and all that jazz?

>>49673894
There's also the Bene Geseritt-style sisters of the Ordo Famulous, which educates young nobles, arranges marriages, and makes sure nobles don't become heretical or too decadent.

>tfw no Famulous nee-san

>>49673883
No worries, it's all good. You know what's up, so I like you.

>>49674304
Ordo Famulous would have been baller in Necromunda.

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>>49665826
>why
>>49665852
>just worse

And here you have the crux of the problem of the WAACfag cancer that's killing 7th ed HIV-positive Ebola 40,000.

If Sisters got an OP update, these two shitlords would fall all over themselves in their rush to buy loads of this formerly "useless" faction so they could continue the charade that they're tactical geniuses for fielding optimised netlists.

Sad.

More Sisters means more options for players - and that's never a bad thing.

Ya dig?

>>49675172
why would they ever go to the underhives, though

and before you mention spyrers those guys are using xenotech to hunt down plebs for sport and aren't really what you'd call model imperial nobility

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>>49675262
Again, try to understand context.

see:
>>49673668

I'm arguing against a tournament mentality. I just want sisters to stay as fun and unique as they are now.

>>49675480

I want to see something like what they did with Deldar in 5th. That Codex was amazingly balanced, fluffy, fun, and came with a slew of new beautiful models.

>>49675262
What do WAACfags have to do with it, other than being a convenient boogieman that no one will defend? Plenty of people play orks even though they suck because orks are unique and interesting. As an army, Sisters do nothing that isn't done by plenty of other factions. Even if they were buffed to shit to drive up sales, they'd still be boring and derivative. Most of what sets them apart happens outside of combat, and isn't going to come across in models or rules.

>>49675631
Yeah ideally something like that would be great.

Just tune and balance them a bit but keep them as is in terms of feel and whatnot, whether that's good or bad is whatever.

Hell I really don't even think they need any fucking Gargantuan Creatures or Superheavies or anything really like plenty of codices are getting.

Considering how much overlap there is do you think they could get away with doing a single kit for Sisters, Celestians, Retributors and Dominions?

Or would you folks say making them a bit more distinct look-wise would be better?

>>49675907

I would imagine that the kits would be this:

Seraphim/New unit
Battle Sister/Dominions
Retributers/Command Squad
Celestians/New unit
Repentia with new options
New unit
Fanatics with Priest
Rhino/Immo/Repressor
Exorcist/New Tank
Flier
Penitent Engine with options

>>49675331
Someone's got to go hunt down those brats and dump their corpses upon the steps of power to remind those in charge that the price of power is fealty and obedience.

>>49675986
If sisters got a flyer I think I'd be incredibly disappointed if it wasn't just a plastic Avenger because every GW-designed flyer looks like shit.

>>49675885

I hope you realize that the only reason more people don't play SoB is because they're all expensive metal models.

>>49676102

I'd love it, but I don't like that its BS 3

>>49676117
Nowadays? Sure. But they weren't popular back in the day either

>>49675986
Not a bad idea, plus mostly solid basis for new potential units. Would the unit paired with Celestians be Celestians with the fucking means to kill shit in assault?


>>49676117
Yes, maybe some cool angelic troop transport flyer or something would be better.

>>49641912

Soo... no church then?
(that joke was smooth as silk btw!)

>>49662540

>They all have power armor

Which in truth should al be downgraded to a 4+ save for its shoddy craftsmanship and week design (anything with a boobplate deserves it, and you know it!). Thus eliminating your point, now what you got left?

>>49676158

Probably, yea, though part of me still wants to see Celestians dual wield pistols, too. The other part wants to see them being back the Sarissa. If they DW pistols, they can be boxed with the Seraphim. Otherwise, idk. Some sword and board unit would be neat.

As for the flier, I don't think a transport flier would fit them. They're the type of army that sets up and rolls ahead with specialty units to scout into position like Doms and Seras. However, a bomber definitely feels like something they would have.

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>>49676267