Cyberpunk

Paul Elliott released a modified version of the system called Zaibatsu. You can find it here: http://www.errantknightgames.com/zaibatsu/zaibatsu_appx.html

I haven't personally played it yet, but other anons may be able to talk about the nuisances of what he improved upon.

The big turn off for me with cyberpunk 2020 is the retard skill list. Just looking at the character sheet makes me nope.

>>49625159
Very Japano-centric, but it's got some nice ideas.

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>>49625035
Those that think they have to modernize or re-work the system miss the point of the game completely.
I will agree that there are a few tweaks that can be done that better the system, but this is a trope.
Characters should die. That's why there is a random generator background creator. You're meat for a meat grinder and expect to be treated so.
I have so many experiences talking with D&D players refusing to give it a try because it lacks character-coddling. It's brutal. Nothing less.
As far as house rules; of course I even have some.
Luck, for one, I have operate similarly to Savage Worlds Bennys. You get +1 each game and can be awarded more if you act tropishly in character.
Netrunners should be run real-time. That sounds odd, but you can't run a netrunner dungeon with non-netrunners. It's just player fairness. There are many examples of how to properly implement this idea.
The tech level is retro-futuristic. The game was written knowing it was in the future, but the tech stagnated in certain areas. It's the future, but it's the Post Apoch future. The bombs went off frying the modern tech but leaving us with the knowledge of many things but lacking the tools to reach it. So, cybernetics are a neat cheat to bridge that gap. Over think this all you want, It's a post-apoch retro-futuristic 80s fever dream setting. Deal.

>>49626564
>Those that think they have to modernize or re-work the system miss the point of the game completely.
Namely?

>>49628683
Anon already answered that in the post you're quoting.

> It's a post-apocalyptic retro-futuristic 80s fever dream setting.
Fixed spelling.

>>49628887
>Anon already answered that in the post you're quoting.
To be fair it was REALLY wall of texty.

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>>49626108
Jesus christ that map is fucking disgusting.

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Big ass list of cyberpunk houserules coming through. Not all of them are fully fleshed out, or even tested, but whenever I get an idea on how to tweak the system, I note it down.

There's bound to be one or two good things in there.

http://pastebin.com/533RDDHn

>>49629089
>all the states are the same
What's the point in futuristic settings if you're not messing with borders?

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>>49629259
They're not. The country lines end up being more like pic related, as the U.S. is more akin to the European Union at its conception than it is an actual country. In 2020 they mentioned that people refer to the United States in the sense of "The United States /Are/" instead of "The United States /Is/."

Pic related at the major sub-unions and areas of high autonomy (For all intents and purposes, all non-blue areas are not in the country of the United States.)

>>49629315
>In 2020 they mentioned that people refer to the United States in the sense of "The United States /Are/" instead of "The United States /Is/."
I thought cyberpunk was supposed to be dystopian not utopian?

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>>49629369
It's a confederate's dream

>>49628931
Wall of texty?
Please read anon.
If you want to be part of the conversation you have to listen to others.

>>49629418
Too much Russia.

>>49629462
Why bother when I can just ask someone else if he got to the point or not?

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>>49629477
>Russia is balkanized
>Too much Russia
How remove Russia

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>>49629089
>Swapping weapons as a multiple action requires a Diff 12 REF roll, and if failed, must be attempted a second time as the second action in the turn. If that is failed, you fail to draw the weapon and may attempt again next turn (Or use up your remaining declared multiple actions). On a crit fail, the weapon being drawn is dropped, and a Diff 10 REF roll is required to pick it back up. If you are just dropping your other weapon (or letting it hang from a sling) this lowers the Diff to 10.

Thanks, uhh, I think. I mean, wow, that's a lot of /k/ autism but I did indeed find some things I liked.

>>49629524
I took inspiration for that rule from GURPS' quickdraw skill, which is really a lot more simple, but it's hard to modify it for 2020's system.

Anyways, care to state what you did actually like of it?

Oh, and the pic you posted reminded me of a short OWoD conversion I wrote for 2020.

http://pastebin.com/PvkwqEVa

>>49629514
Losing it's Asian colonies isn't Balkanization. It needs to be truly Balkanized in the European part. It's not even as divided as happened in the real collapse of the USSR there.

>Ulster Irish
>Faroes British
This just gets worse and worse.

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>>49629597
>Novosibirsk
>Omsk
>Colonies
Wow rude.

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>>49629597
>This just gets worse and worse.
>Austrovenia
>Finland part of Scandinavia

Wew, lads.

>>49629572
>Anyways, care to state what you did actually like of it?

Explosives, microwavers and buckshot. It's all hideously overcomplicated for my taste though, sorry.

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>>49629621
>>49629622
It won't stop

This isn't even the world map of 2020, I hope you all know that.

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>>49629669
Are you putting Shadowrun in my Peanut Butter 2020?

>>49629663
I figured it would be for most. I do probably need to streamline a bit of it to actually put it in to play. Maybe.

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>>49629721
No, I'm putting 2300AD in your 2020. Mexico took that land from the U.S. after NATO and the Warszawa Pact duked it out.

I actually think playing in the Twilight 2000/2300AD universe around the 2100s would be pretty cool for a cyberpunk setting

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>>49629752
Earth itself as of 2300 would also be pretty cool.

>>49629954
It would, but it's maybe not as dystopic as I'd like.

It'd also be neat to have characters who fought in the Twilight war make appearances (Or, rather, people who lived through the devastation it caused, as even in 2050, WW3 vets would be about 80 years old.)

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>>49629988
Ehh. I'm more of a post-cyberpunk kind of guy, so I like settings that are like 2016 in that they appear hopeless at the surface but there's some hope glimmering through like 2300. Besides, with advanced bio-tech, people from WW3 could still appear.

>>49630378
Egh, post-cyberpunk never appealed all that much to me, though I do really like the Transhuman Space setting, so I guess there's always exceptions.

2300AD is just too clean for my tastes, mostly. I could really only get down with Kafer war stuff. But something in, maybe... 2050 Japan? That could be interesting. I mostly just love my cyberpunk settings to have some Cold War gone hot stuff tossed in. It's surprising that cyberpunk setting written for RPGs actually ever had the cold war go hot (The Soviet-American orbital war in 2020 doesn't count).

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>>49626564
I completely disagree with you.

>Those that think they have to modernize or re-work the system miss the point of the game completely.
Nope. They don't. They adapt the system to suit their needs and fit their gaming style. The Listen Up You Primitive Screwheads book is basically a collection of houserules.

>You're meat for a meat grinder and expect to be treated so.
Not more than in CoC, Delta Green, Runequest, Elric/Stormbringer, Pendragon, that all have brutal combat systems and quick character creation (you don't even roll for background in most of them). Old school dungeon crawls were pretty savage, too (miss the "spot trap" roll and you fall in a pit of acid, or get crushed by boulders, etc.).

> That's why there is a random generator background creator.
Mekton Zeta and Fuzion have it too and they are pretty heavily into cinematic/heroic campaigns.

>I have so many experiences talking with D&D players refusing to give it a try...
That's simply because many DnD players are retards.

>The tech level is retro-futuristic.
It wasn't retro-futuristic in 1990. The reason why the tech is outdated now, in 2016, is because CP2020's last reedition was in 1993 and the last supplements were published in 1996. By contrast Shadowrun had it's last updated edition in 2013 and the last supplements came out in 2015. Unless YOU want to play "retro-cyberpunk", there is nothing wrong updating the tech (which is not very difficult to do). You don't have to play retro if you don't want to.

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>>49629752
>mexican texas
>british faroe
>independent siberian state
>korean japan
>no singapore
>confederation of palestine

why is this map making me so mad? Points for Scandinavian union though.

>>49629752
No Israel = shit world.

>>49629752
>>49629954
2100 is really the upper limit for a cyberpunk timeline. Playing in 2300 is sci-fi and not cyberpunk anymore.

>>49635595
>2100 is really the upper limit for a cyberpunk timeline
Tell that to When Gravity Fails, which takes place in 2190-2202.

>>49636586
I did, it's stupid.

>>49625035
Played it once. It's just realy oldfashioned.

I'd recommend fixing the random wound table. As it is, way too many people get shot in their fucking legs. Also, the "life path" thing is absolute bull, and I'd ditch it entirely. I'd probably also give players a flat amount of starting cash, because the random roll can leave some too poor to buy a decent gun, while giving others the best shit in the game.

Also, read the GM manual. The game is intended for fluid GMing, where you can't let players "get away" with making OP characters, because a guy strolling down the street with an assault rifle is intended to have the cops on him in two seconds. And if it's not the cops, it's the gangs.

Also, it leans heavily on 80's flavour. You should channel every ounce of 80's B-movie knowledge you have into this game.

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>>49632770
Yeah, playing retro or updating to modern standards (in both world setting and game rules) is a choice, and both are valid. I prefer to update my game to make it more current to world events and the latest technological changes.

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>>49625035
>Have you ever played Cyberpunk 2020?

Plenty. Was one of main games back in the day.

>How would you improve it?

Ah jeez, CP2020 really needs a full revamp. The game is dated pretty fucking badly to be honest, both in terms of the world and the mechanics. I would keep the d10 + stat(1-10) + skill(1-10) vs. target number mechanic because that's nice and simple. I would rewrite almost everything else from the ground up.

Skills list should be cut down drastically, to about 20-30 (currently there's about a hundred, including shit that no one has ever picked such as mathematics). Stats should be cut down to 5-7. The way guns and armor work together is nonsense and 97% of guns can't penetrate even the weakest armor at all, which doesn't lead to good gameplay. Special skills of the professions are unbalanced nonsense ATM and should probably be removed. Hacking rules are a nightmare and should be completely replaced. All of the technology and the backstory of the world needs to be updated.

I like the game, but fuck, time has not been kind to it.

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>>49634902
>why is this map making me so mad?

It's hard to make predictions, especially about the future.

>>49638082

"48 MHz and mini-fax" aside, it actually baffles me how Pondsmith didn't look at that and go "hmm, this sounds kind of underwhelming in a world that has PERFECT VIRTUAL REALITY as standard consumer tech".

>>49637733
I'd go a similar route but I wouldn't cut stats. I'd change attractiveness to sex-appeal (for femmes fatales and suave motherfuckers). I'd add perception that would become the governing skill for shooting and spotting/searching. To balance that, I'd get rid of movement allowance and make running and jumping depend on reflexes.

I find that luck is kind of underwhelming. Therefore I'd replace the vanilla system by Black Hammer's luck deck (get one card per luck point).

For the skills, like I said in a previous thread, I'd make all special skills normal skills. Some could disappear (authority = intimidation), some could have a different meaning (streetdeal = networking, combat sense only applies to initiative rolls, medical tech englobes surgery and diagnose illness but not first aid, etc.), and some remain unchanged (resources, credibility, charismatic leadership, interface, jury-rig). I wouldn't necessarily change the skill list. CP2020 is an universal system, therefore it needs many skills. But some might be regrouped (SMG and rifle; brawling, dodging, melee and fencing under hand-to-hand combat; scientific skills don't need to be all listed, treat them as expert skills, etc.).

I'd change the wound system. Instead of adding wounds together, which is like hit points, I'd treat them separately. Characters can be covered in bruises and cuts and still be effective. A good wound on the other hand would take you out.

>>49638729
>I find that luck is kind of underwhelming. Therefore I'd replace the vanilla system by Black Hammer's luck deck (get one card per luck point).

Why not just get rid of it entirely?

>>49638729
In my group what we do is have certain points in a session come up where you might need to roll equal to or lower then you're current luck score. You could also spend the luck to reroll rather then just add it to a roll. It actually created a quite silly situation recently in one of my groups when everyone at the table showed up with 10 luck, with the exception of one player with a luck of 2.

>>49638729
>I wouldn't necessarily change the skill list. CP2020 is an universal system, therefore it needs many skills.

CP2020's skill list includes dozens of skills that literally no player character is ever going to need. Things that should be left entirely to the NPCs like

>Personal Grooming
>Wardrobe & Style
>Oratory
>Interview
>Perform
>At least four different skills for "talk people into doing things for you"
>Accounting
>Anthropology
>Biology
>Botany
>Chemistry
>Composition
>Diagnose Illness
>Education & General Knowledge
>Gamble
>Geology
>History
>Library Search
>Four different skills for piloting things that fly
>Mathematics
>Physics
>Stock Market
>Wilderness Survival in a 99% urban game
>Zoology
>Archery in a game with fucking guns
>Dance
>Fencing, are you kidding me
>Brawling and Melee, I don't even remember what was the difference between these two
>Operate Heavy Machinery
>Stealth and Hide/Evade as separate skills even though they're clearly synonyms
>Aero Tech
>AV Tech
>Basic Tech
>Cryotank Operation
>Cyberdeck Design
>A whole bunch of other redundant tech skills
>Paint or Draw, I'm not joking, this is real
>Photo & Film
>Play Instrument

Like, get these the fuck out of the game. No one's going to pick any of these.

>>49629418
what the hell happened with Austria.

What is your favorite music for a cyberpunk? Im planning to make a little street level game, but i need an inspiration for it. Less "gritty-nifty 90s" more "blastin shootin 80s"

Anyone can recommend good music and\or movies for an inspiration?

>>49638974
First, having many skills isn't a problem at all. What annoys you the most IMO is that they all are written on the character sheet. That is your problem with it. Then, simply make a character sheet where you leave 20 rows for skills. Problem solved. Also, by regrouping skills, like I suggested, you cut the amount of skills by 25 to 30%.

Why have wilderness survival? Because if your AV crashes in the Colombian jungle, it might be a useful skill to have. Why photography/film? Because you need it to take those pictures of the married corporate banging his secretary and hanging out in Redlight District when he should be at a meeting. Why are piloting AV's, helicopters, and planes different skills? Because they are very, very different to pilot.

Like I already said, CP2020 is a universal system. In Shadowrun you always play a mercenary-type character. With CP2020 you might play as anything ranging from the sociology student to a hard-core assassin.

>>49639146
>First, having many skills isn't a problem at all.

It's a HUGE fucking problem. It's pointless shit to read through that clutters the sheet, the rulebook, and your memory. All of these are fucking useless. No one's ever going have an RPG session where Fashion and Accounting and Botany are important skills because any possible scenario where those are important is fucking BORING.

>Why have wilderness survival? Because if your AV crashes in the Colombian jungle, it might be a useful skill to have.

Great. I'm not going to put points in it for the 0.00001% chance that that happens.

>What annoys you the most IMO is that they all are written on the character sheet.

No. That's great. Having the skills pre-written on your character sheet on the other hand is a good thing, because that's less shit for you to worry about during character creation. Leave a few blank spaces in case some fucking weirdo genuinely wants to specialize in zoology in a cyberpunk game, but don't waste space in the rules for it.

>Why are piloting AV's, helicopters, and planes different skills? Because they are very, very different to pilot.

Realistically yes, but for gameplay purposes the distinction really doesn't fucking matter. Just have one skill that says "Pilot" that's good for anything that flies, and put in an option to specialize in one of those options to get a bonus if you feel like it.

To continue with my changes, I'd do some changes to the combat system. Instead of basing the TN on the distance to the target, I'd base it on the situation. Either your sniping at an unsuspecting target, or you're covering an area ready to shoot at any target entering your field of view, or you get surprised and shoot instinctively without really aiming. Then, you'd have penalties/bonuses for distance, movement, aiming devices, etc.

MMA mostly replaced martial art styles. So instead of having lists of different martial arts (wing chun kungfu, white crane kungfu, tiger claw kungfu, cotton fist kung fu, drunken fist kungfu...) I'd let the players distribute the character's martial skill level in bonus points to key strikes (max. per move is skill level/2). The damage bonus gets reduced to skill level/2.

>>49639146
>Like I already said, CP2020 is a universal system. In Shadowrun you always play a mercenary-type character. With CP2020 you might play as anything ranging from the sociology student to a hard-core assassin.

There is literally no human ever who has played a sociology student in CP2020, and never will unless you do it yourself to spite me. Every CP2020 character that people actually regularly play is of the sort that kills people on a daily basis. They're mercenaries, hitmen, professional criminals, cops or corporate psychos. Maybe someone makes a Total Recall -type campaign of an everyman getting drawn in into some wild shit that he's not prepared for, but even he's not going to benefit from these joke skills.

>>49639275
If you didn't use Wardrobe & Style you should stop posting in this thread, because you completely missed the whole style/image thing.

I can argue that all spec op / ranger / scout sniper type character should have wilderness survival as it's a part of their job. It should be pretty useful for nomads, too. Cyberpunk isn't limited to Night City. Also, not taking skills that should be part of the PC's background is shameless min-maxing.

CP2020 makes the difference between piloting different vehicles. If you want a game with less skills, play Shadowrun. It has like 30 skills, but all characters of a certain type are almost all the same. It's a problem you encounter with Mini Six. All fighters will have the same skills. All rogues will have the same skills. And fighters and rogues have almost the same skills, too.

>>49639323
Accounting is very useful for an investigator.

But listen, if you want to play only heavy hitters limit the skill list to: shoot stuff, hit people, hide, move, make stuff go boom, drive anything, pilot anything, fix people, fix stuff, nerd skills and role play. 11 skills in total, you should like it.

>>49639447
>If you didn't use Wardrobe & Style you should stop posting in this thread, because you completely missed the whole style/image thing.

Style doesn't come from a fucking number on your sheet.

>Also, not taking skills that should be part of the PC's background is shameless min-maxing.

Forcing people to buy worthless skills if they fit their background just punishes players for making interesting characters. And having worthless skills in the rulebook or the character sheet wastes time and space.

>CP2020 makes the difference between piloting different vehicles. If you want a game with less skills, play Shadowrun. It has like 30 skills, but all characters of a certain type are almost all the same.

That is the case for CP2020 too. You don't seem to get it: no one picks these skills. These skills are worthless. There will be zero times in any CAMPAIGN that you roll a History check. Zero. So no one will ever spend their precious character creation points on these godforsaken useless worthless waste-of-space joke skills. They shouldn't exist. They're bad design and literally should not exist in the game's rules.

It's especially baffling to me because the rules already have a built-in catch-all category for crap like these: the Expert skill. It's specifically meant to cover all the random crap that a player might want for his character but which is not useful enough to include in the actual rules. So you can Expert (Musical Farting) as a skill, and then reap all of the zero benefits it will give you. But for some reason Mike must have thought all this garbage like Geology was super important and just had to be included in the main skill list. Shaking my head senpai.

>>49639076
Perturbator and Lazerhawk are my go-to artists for cyberpunk.

>>49639757
See my post above. I made you a skill list with only eleven skills, because the original skill list overwhelms your little millennial brain. Have fun!

>>49634902
But Texas was a part of Mexico though. It'd be like a reverse Alamo, but you know, successful

>>49639898
Reverse the entire texas revolution, and have Mexico reclaim Texas as Tejas in another Battle of San Jacinto

>>49629514
>that Poland
THE COMMONWEALTH RIDES AGAIN
TIME TO GO TWO FOR TWO TAKING MOSCOW

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>>49636586
Not that you'd notice particularly, or I didn't at least; it just felt near-future when I read the first one

>>49634902
You forgot United Ireland.

>>49639076
New Retro Wave on Youtube. The Dark Cruiser.

Gessafelstein.

The Perturbator.

PowerGlove.

>>49639757
I agree with this guy. There are far too many skills that don't need to be part of the rules because their occurence is so rare. If you want Zoology or Law or Accounting that badly for roleplaying, the GM should just give you some free "hobby" skills. Incredibly long and detailed skill lists are like feat trap options: pick the wrong ones and you end up with a super fluffy character who can't do anything except in the most precious circumstances, and gets angry when their French Literature skill isn't part of the adventure.

>>49639001
Austrovenia: Formed when Austria absorbed Slovenia in the years following the Twilight
War, Austrovenia is not one of the more technologically advanced nations. It supports itself by the production of specialty agricultural products.

That's all it says in the book.

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I've got a homebrew CP2020 update that I've been working on, simplified rules, new setting and with a decent layout.

If anyone's interested in seeing it and providing feedback, contact me at *** krypter *** and an email service called hotmail.com.

>>49643168
>New setting
Disgusting

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>>49639275
>any possible scenario where those are important is fucking BORING

Three seconds worth of 'research' (obviously a useless skill) and I've found this Anon's picture. Poor anon, we'll get you a tissue right after we find where we've misplaced our supply of 'give a fuck about a whiny bitch'.

>>49643168
You the same anon that described his hacking rework as netrunner-lite?

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>>49625035
>How would you improve it?

I'd make absolutely certain that "Maximum" Mike Pondsmith never gets anywhere near it ever again.

>>49643551
Maybe? It doesn't have cyberdungeons but it does have a lot of hacking tools and options for variety.

>>49643168
Why don't you just pastebin it and post it here.

>>49643653
It's a PDF and it's not ready for a roasting here yet.

Gimme a shout if you want to provide some comments.

>>49644011
You might as well post it now so all the garbage you've written can be critiqued before you're too far in.

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>>49643587
>he took a selfie of himself on a selfie stick...on a golf course
>the day bad-assitude retired

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>>49644142
Far too late for an intervention, I'm waaaaay too deep into it now.

>>49644783
Then stop being a cocktease and post it.

>>49644820
Don't have time to answer questions now. I'll make a thread for it later.

>>49644820
It's available on the net with a little bit of google-fu.

https://hunter-seeker.obsidianportal.com

>>49648806
>https://hunter-seeker.obsidianportal.com
That looks reaaaaally stupid.

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Played it. For an 80's system its pretty fun, but in this day and age mechanics are more streamlined and made to flow better.

Personally I liked Interface Zero 2.0's take. It has the same lethality, improves the hacking, and it keeps the game flowing fast.

>>49648835
I don't care. I'm not the author. I only posted the link.

The guy made an total revamp of CP2020. Is it good or does it suck? I don't know, I only made a quick overlook. From what I've seen so far I can say that I like that he inserted some new concepts, and I really dig the graphic design.

That said, the game has nothing in common with CP2020 anymore apart from some names. Also, for me, the whole universe feels different. I feel less gritty, less street but more exotic and high-tech.

Lastly, to continue on the idea of doing something new, I'd have less firearms (do you need 5 different medium handguns, and 5 different SMG's?) but play more with futuristic ammo types.

>>49639076
Synthwave and hair metal.

>>49641023
The real problem with CP2020's skill system is that it doesn't have any defaulting between skills.

>>49641023
I had one player who's character had as hobby skill "expert: nazi ideology". He took it because his character was an ex-skinhead. As he invested some points in his background I gave him some contacts in the skinhead scene. Another player took "expert: BDSM" at a high level because his character worked as a dominator during his spare time. As reward I gave him skill level/2 slaves (who could be used for different tasks as long as not too dangerous or too illegal). He also had some contacts in the BDSM scene. That's how you use those "useless" skills.

>>49649522
Bump

>>49651936
Yeah?

>>49636710
Of course, if we're talking about the same book (Listen Up You Primitive Screwheads--charming title, really, and it says everything you need to know about the authors), the GM manual is basically "how to dick over your players until they leave the table and go home", so take it with a grain of salt.

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Here is a new character sheet I made using some input from this thread. I changed some stats, cut the number of skills by half, added an area for Grimm's Cybertale and Dark Metropolis' stress system (could be replaced by something else). This could be used for a Japanese style cyberpunk setting where people get alienated by their surroundings. If I would make a mercenary-style campaign where PC's are fighting guerrillas in the ruins of Central America, I'd change other stuff to make it suit the action-genre better.

>>49652268
And it took me only some minutes to do. This is just to show that you can adapt CP2020 to whatever you want to do. Add skills, reduce skills, add stats, change stats, add new systems, etc. No problem. CP2020 can handle it all.

>>49652268
I like it. (Thanks!) But as a denizen of /tg/ I have to ask, under 'Sex' - do I put down "often" or "never"?

>>49653241
Stat times per week.

>>49639076
For the Arab mafia that is starting to show up in Europe and the USA: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mxah0kE4cwU&list=RDmxah0kE4cwU

Financed by petrodollars, composed of all kind of war criminals and psychopaths.

>>49654509
>>>/pol/

>>49654628
>anything I don't agree with
>>>/pol/
>easier not to see unpleasant truths

>>49654684
Did you hear from the Tamil mafia before the Sri Lankan civil war? No. Did you hear from the Serbian mafia before the civil war in Yugoslavia? No. Did you hear from the Albanian mafia before the war in Kosovo? No.

Conflicts where you have rebel groups fighting always spawn crime syndicates that extort money from the diaspora and make money by different means (drug trafficking, human trafficking, etc.). Middle Eastern gangs are already a common thing in Europe.

>>49655279
>Did you hear from the Serbian mafia before the civil war in Yugoslavia? No. Did you hear from the Albanian mafia before the war in Kosovo? No.

Yes and yes. Nigger, are you unaware that most of the weaponry and explosives for various terrorist attacks in France and Belgium came from ex-Yugloslav states. Also Albania, Macedonia, Bulgaria and other piece-of-shit states.

You're right that civil war breeds criminals and crime networks...and the whole of the Arab mideast has been in a state of civil war for quite some time, and now with the rapefugees being welcomed by the millions into Europe, with no education, skills or even language ability worth mentioning, the rise of a large Arab mafia across the continent is inevitable.

>>49655683
In a cyberpunk setting where the USA went to shit, kinda like Russia in the early 1990's, the most feared crime syndicate was the US mob - ex-soldiers, corrupt cops, politicians, corrupt military officers, old street gangs and crime syndicates all mixed together.

>>49655976
Crime syndicates are almost always ethnic-based, because that is the smallest level of trust wherein an organization can still function at medium to large scale. Hence Italian mafia, Irish mob, Russian bratva, fucking Albanians, fucking Chechens, Jamaican yardies, Jap Yakuza, etc.

"The US" is not an ethnic group and the "US mob" sounds pretty stupid.

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Damn this thread has me nostalgic for the days when a computer in a briefcase seemed impossible high tech, Japanese corporations were obviously going to take over the world and Russia was always going to be the bad guys.

>>49656093
The Chinese, Italians and Irish were all refugees fleeing misery. Russians are not an ethnic group neither are Chinese. If you leave your country, you gonna band with people from the same country, no matter if they're white, Latino, or black.

>>49656127
>Damn this thread has me nostalgic for the days when a computer in a briefcase seemed impossible high tech

Just update to 'Cray Mainframe' in a suitcase and you're good to go. ;) Nice artwork btw. I always used the tagline 'Tomorrow's technology killing you today.' on my hand-made CP2020 GM screen.

>>49625035
The core mechanic was fine and the setting was evocative, but a whole lot of the stats and details were a disaster. I say play a different game. I've heard good thing about Savage Worlds' Interface Zero.

>>49638974
I agree that the skill system is a mess. Skills should be valued according to their usefulness in-game, and skills that are weak from that vantage point, or which rarely come into play, should be dropped or relegated/quarantined to some clearly delineated ancillary section (sort of like the various different crafts and professions in D&D) that doesn't get in the way.

>>49625035

Recently picke it up again for some "retrogaming".

Unredeamable, sorry guys.

>>49639275
>No one's ever going have an RPG session where Fashion and Accounting and Botany are important skills because any possible scenario where those are important is fucking BORING.

>"God why can't the entire game just be me winning combats, collecting loot and xp and then levelling up"

>>49648806
>That setting fluff
Someone doesn't know how geopolitics work.
Also, two big countries slugging it out is not a "world war."

>>49659513
You're right, you don't know how geopolitics works (the term is IR, btw). A war involving China, the US, Russia and Japan would effectively be a world war considering how much of the world's economy they encompass.

>>49659850
Considering it only mentions China and USA in the book, I think you're assuming a lot there.

>>49660112
The US has defence treaties with Japan, South Korea and the Philippines, not to mention NATO. China and Russia have a de facto military alliance aimed at the US. I'm assuming you know what's happening in the real world, geopolitics dude.

>>49660150
It's 20 years in the future, I figured that you'd explain who exactly was at war.

Unless the world was just static for those 20 years for whatever reason.

>>49660286
The same configuration has been in effect for the last 25 years or more, but yeah, more explanation is better.

>>49660330
Is cyberpunk as a genre not known for absolutely changing everything in a very small period of time?

Also, Brazil is a third world country, not an economic power.

>>49660399
Is it? From all the reading I've done that's true in some cases but other country-level and cultural stereotypes seem to be remarkably persistent.

>Also, Brazil is a third world country, not an economic power.

Yes...and?

You can be a third-world country and still be a large economic power. Brazil, Russia, Indonesia and India show this quite well.

>>49660802
Brazil has no industrial basis in a world that demands to be industrial. The only thing it has going for it is agriculture, which could very well be extinct by the time your setting takes place, in favour of vertical hydroponics and synthetic foods. Also tainted due to terrible climate and what have you.

>>49660802
>Russia
but russia's second world

>>49660853
Brazil totally doesn't have any industry apart of agriculture. Petrobras (petrochemical & energy), Cosan (petrochemical), Ultrapar (petrochemical), Raizen (petrochemical), Vale (metal & mining), Gerdau (metal & mining), Aperam South America (steel), Embraer (aerospace & defense), Avibras (aerospace & defense), Imbel (firearms), Taurus (firearms), JBS (food processing), Eletrobras (energy), CPFL (energy), WEG (engineering, power & automation), Cemig (energy), Ichope-Maxion (car industry), Marcopolo (vehicle manufacturer), Odebrecht (construction & engineering), Braskem (chemical & petrochemical) all don't exist. Volkswagen, BMW, Toyota, Honda, Fiat-Chrysler, Renault totally don't have factories located there.

>>49656093
They are usually referred to as the American mafia by Chinese, Russian and Australian medias. They are depicted as bloodthirsty and vicious gangs that come from a country which main exports are: economic refugees, criminal gangs, cheap prostitutes, mercenaries, mail order brides, computer viruses, hardcore porn, military hardware of low quality for African countries, drugs and nuclear technology (which is supposedly sold to terrorist groups).

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>>49660876
Huh, fancy that, someone who actually know what 1st 2nd and 3rd world is

>>49643587
What do you mean? What's he like?

(TIL Pondsmith exists and there really isn't anyone named R Talsorian. It's just him.)

>>49649215
I loved Interface Zero. t really encapsulated the more ridiculous side of cyberpunk, kind of like a Snow Crash rpg.

>>49655976
I want to play this so much.