Warhammer Fantasy General: Heldenhammer Edition

What are the regular sizes for a match table? I'm feeling crafty and want to make one for home.

also is there a good place to find battle scenarios? Like the ones in the BrB. Would love to see some community ones.

Lastly: Is the AoS skaven screaming bell any different from the 8th ed one? trying to get the cheaper of the 2, but I dont want to sacrifice the look of the 8th ed one.

>>49620572
I think they're 6ft x 4ft, just like 40k

So I am thinking of starting a high elf army (currently play beastmen). I want to do so!etching different than the traditional white and. Lie scheme tho

>Tau in Fantasy
Can it be done?

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>>49622302
Sure, have them be not!china/mix-o'-asia who field their own people as ranged units and artillery while heavily depended on auxillaries for their infantry and melee cavalry. As a faction they should ofc be focused on whittling down the foes with rains of arrows, hails of gunshot and barrages of artillery before they can get into melee.

>>49622644
Would Sigmarines be their Battlesuits, or would their Battlesuits just have a terra-cotta surface?

Since Tau allied with Demiurge and got most of their technology starter set from them, should Fantasy Tau incorporate Dwarfs as the race that uplifted them from fishmen to civilization?

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Is there a mega for the End Times and WHFB black library books?

>>49624677
Check the archive thread.

Are there any good guides for general war tactics for Total War: Warhammer? I love the game, but my ass usually gets stomped in when I actually control my troops. The only time I'm able to win anything is when I Auto-Resolve with a bigger army.

So I've been wondering what an Ogre PC in WFRP 2e would look like based off their information in the bestiary and how'd it'd be balanced with the rest of the party. Assuming that any Ogre player had to accept some kind of XP deficit (say, 500-1000?) how does this like for a starting Ogre?

WS:20+2d10
BS:10+2d10
S:35+2d10
T:35+2d10
A:15+2d10
I:10+2d10
WP:20+2d10
Fel:10+2d10
A:3
W:Roll on Dwarf Wound Table+12
Skills: Common Knowledge (Ogres), Consume Alcohol,
Gamble, Perception, Search, Speak Language
(Grumbarth, Reikspiel or Tilean)
Talents: Fearless, Frightening, Specialist Weapon Group (Two-handed), Street Fighting or Disarm, Strike Mighty Blow

Fate Points:
d10 FP
1-8 1
9-10 2


Basically a massive bucket of wounds and Attacks with maybe the option to pickup the Unstoppable Blows Talent later on. This alright to be included in a party of 500-1000 XP PC's?

>>49624929
I have been playing counts and chaos. General tactic? Send a fuck ton of basic skelies in to stop them, have a couple fast units swing around back. Just send a load of bats to fuck up artillary.

For seiges, I just raise a decoy army to break down the door, then let my main body come in second.

For the record: I'm pretty shit at the game as well. Only doing well with counts because I took east/west sylvania and just fucking made every public order and income based thing.

>>49627377
3 attacks base is ridiculous even with an XP deficit.

>>49627377
>how'd it'd be balanced with the rest of the party.
If you desperately are in need of balancing in Warhammer Rpg you better drop the idea as a whole because you are doing something wrong.

>>49628503
>>49628946
That bad huh? Well 2 Attacks Base would probably be a lot saner even if it doesn't match the bestiary/tabletop version. Was kinda going with the idea that an Ogre PC would only be allowable after your campaign had moved on from the "You're lowlife scum one bad roll away from dying of infection" into the "You're mildly important scum one bad roll away from dying from infection" stage. After all if you want to pound in the idea that your character is helpless before the oncoming threat and all of your efforts to stop it are in vain you probably shouldn't be playing a 10 foot tall obese Mongolian who can eat militia for lunch and laugh off Fear.

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>14 posts in 12 hours
>last thread 404'd without even reaching bump limit

DEAD GAME
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So how's Whm40k: Eternal Crusade?

>>49619817

Is Valten a lost Primarch?

>>49629725

Warhammer is utter shit as a game but the setting is very nice

>>49629127
Basically attacks rule 2nd end, especially as WS hits peak levels and DMG spikes with impact and strength buffs. I would definitely drop to 2 attacks and even consider lowering WS or S bases.

ded

>>49627377
there already are fanmade rules to play an ogre

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>>49622302
>>49622644
>>49622760
>>49631507

All these fucks talking about putting 40k races and AoS shit into fantasy

>>49624677
>>49624727

People not checking the fucking OP

>>49624929
>>49627970

People talking about the fucking videogame adaptation

>>49627377
>>49628503
>>49628946
>>49629127
>>49632413

People talking about fucking WFRP

>>49623671
>>49629725
>>49633493

All these fucking non-contributing posts

Jesus H Christ. Fine I'll post the Dwarf update guide.

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>>49634243

There you go. Discuss that you fucks

>>49620572
From what I can see, it's pretty much just reboxxed from their last plastic one(could be wrong, but looks like it.), the only differences being a white box and a heretical, unholy circle base.

So if you've got the right square base for it, I'd say go for it.

>>49634173
Why are you so angry. All of it (except the irst) are related to warhammer fantasy battles.

The game is dead, at least let us enjoy the setting

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Guys, anyoe has the image of Caledor II with all the names the Dwarfs gave to him?

I need it pretty bad.

I'lll give you a nice Dwarf instead

>>49634668
I have it, but the dwarf-favoritism is getting out of hand in this thread.

>>49634701
I just need it for science.You want Chaos, i have chaos if ya want

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>>49634734
I'm not interested in Chaos either, but here have it. "The Pointlessly Tall" always makes me laugh.

Despite all this time, I still think the new Karl Franz model with the oversized Griffin is fucking awful.

After this is said and done, let's talk about the Storm of Chaos continuity. What is likely to happen to Archaon after failing so miserably in his great invasion?

The Chaos gods don't take failure well, and as far as i know, Archaon is the only everchosen who failed and survived his failure. Would the Chaos Gods remove their favour from him? Would they curse him?
What if in the exact moment Archaon Failed, a new aspirant Everchosen arose, and the two will have to battle for supremacy?

Why the fuck did gw remove high elf Spears and archers and silver helms and basically 90% of its core.
Like, even for age of smegmar it's retarded because all the high elf battleline (core) is oop. How the fuck am I supposed to build an army for fantasy, let alone smegmar? I don't want to scavenge ebay for overpriced thicc models lacking shields or something stupid, and there's no alternative that match gw scale or aren't overpriced and goofy. I bought some metal white lions because they look cool and now I'm just stuck. I figured I can paint glade guard as archer but what of Spears and silver helms?
Fuck my life

>>49636201
Try 3rd party models. Some of them are bretty gud
there is a pastebin in the thread

>>49636201
>Why the fuck did gw remove high elf Spears and archers and silver helms and basically 90% of its core.

Because they're old and ugly as fuck.

So would wood elves ally with high elves?

>>49637230
yes

elves are sluts, they'd ally with anybody

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>>49637599
nice

>>49637230
They have a couple of times, but wood elves don't want anything to do with high elves, dark elves or the civil war. There was a time the high elves showed up to help fight a major Beastmen invasion as an attempt to create bonds between the 2 elf nations. The high elves got pissy that so many of their peoples died in a conflict they could have stayed out of and blamed the woodies, who in turn got fed up with their cousins arrogance

>>49634173
The thread is dead as fuck already, Why do you care what people talk about at this point, at least it generates discussion

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>>49634173
>>49634179
>>49634187
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>>49634252
Fuck, well I only wasted 50 bucks on my elves so far, guess I'm doing dwarves.
I have a boner for gw and can't just buy alternatives.

>>49636201
My flgs only has dragon calv wich makes me sad

>>49638697
Don't trust that guide Slayers are actually viable.

You just can't use them always or carelessly, but do wonders against armies that other units struggle to stand up to.

Like Ogres.

Slayers will melt those shits. They WILL die, but that's what they're here for

>>49638887
I'm probably gonna drop 200 on 3 boxes of warriors and 2 boxes of quarellers.
3 squads of 20 warriors, 4 leftover to convert banners/heroes and 2 squads of 16 shooty fucks.
See where I go from there.
Do they still sell BfSP dwarves on ebay?

>>49638962
Not that i know of, but if so they probably cost a shitload of money

>>49634756
the dwarfs probably trade and teach the humans just so they can sneak in some history lessons for them. Imagine a human diplomat referring to caledor II as "The Pointlessly Tall" to the high elf diplomatic party

Why are there no angel equivalents in warhammer? We have endless daemons, but nothing like "darmons" for the other non-chaos gods. I feel the setting could be more interesting with them in it

>>49642524
There were a few mentioned. Ulric had ethereal ice wolves as his, And the Nehekaran god ptra had winged angels that nagash turned into the morghasts. Ereth khial from the elf pantheon had winged minions who could be sent to steal souls from slaanesh. I like to think that all of the gods have immortal servants, but due to them weakening as the chaos gods grew stronger they barely send them into the mortal world.

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>>49642524
WFRP 1ed had Daemons of the Gods of Law, which filled that sort of roll.

>>49638555
Is Warhammer discussion dead on /tg/?

>>49634769
I'd like to think that Archaon gives up his Chaos boner and either spends the rest of his life as a grumpy old man who lives in the sewers of Middenheim, or turns to Malal and goes Chaos-hunting.

>>49634756
'The Frightened of Loud Noises' - lost it.

>>49627377
Check out the Ogre Players Fan Made PDF.

Why are the humans in this setting so dependent on elves and dwarfs for everything? Why can't they come up with anything themselves?

So, out of curiosity, what armies do each of you all own/play? What armies do your friends play? Just kind of curious as I've made the unfortunate decision of joining a dead game earlier this year with an empire Army. (Dead as it is, the models are fun as hell to paint.)

>>49638697
Same, just a tip though, when neccessary, Chinese recasts are pretty good for the more expensive models.

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Thread so dead, Nagash has claimed dominion over it

>>49640422
It wouldn'ta change anything. Even other elves knew caledor was a little shit

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>>49649130
Bull shit manlet propaganda.

>>49622302
>advanced mary sue Chinks who somehow do nothing relevant

Cathay already exists desu

>>49649250
>don't tell valuable allies about your civil war
>don't warn them that the mastermind is still out there
>don't explain to them the obvious trick when they come complaining about you murdering their trade caravans
>don't honor the immunity of a diplomat
>start war
>lose war
>die begging
>lose crown
>doom world
>give war a ebin passive aggressive name

Elves, umgi and raki.

>>49642524
because healthy settings keep direct god intervention to a minimum

>>49650181
It doesn't make sense when the evil gods regularly send in armies of daemons, some far more powerful than any mortal heroes, and yet the neutral and good gods have nothing to show but a few blessings and maybe one valuable champion. A healthy setting should know how to balance these things out. Don't give the forces of order so much divine intervention that they depend on it, but it would be nice to have some sort of immortal servants that can intervene in dire situations

>>49650210
But anon, the whole concept of Warhammer Fantasy is the common folk holding their ground and succeeding against impossible odds in a world where the gods have either abandoned you or clearly want to kill and eat you.

>>49649250
>Citing the elf codex
sure a right and objective view on things

Also
>Stole the phoenix crown, greed obscuring any remorse
It's not murder if it's an Elf

>>49650302
No, the whole concept of warhammer fantasy is generic (to the point of trend setting) fantasy armies smashing into each other. the whole "muh common man" is HFY bullshit that only applies to one faction in the setting, and even then, not quite. unless you're talking about the role playing game

>>49650333
The Phoenix Crown is wergild by any measure, anyway.

>>49650333
Are you implying that the dwarfs are an unbiased source?

>>49650406
A race for whom honor and truth of facts is so important some of them make the slayer oath because they failed to tell the exact time when asked?

___________yes_________

>>49650465
Yeah, sure, when someone says
>It's not murder if it's an Elf
he might as well swore an oath to slander them whenever he has to talk about elves.

>>49650406
From the dwarf perspective, it's a lot easier to justify that they were in the right. In their minds, the elves were the aggressors who killed their people, and then later killed and disfigured their high Kings son. Whether they embellish the story or tell the exact truth, they look like the protagonists defending their home from treacherous invaders. The elves straight up changed facts of the story to make them seem like they did nothing wrong.

>>49649250
>Teaching poetry
>To a race literally incapable to understand metaphors

Elves can't really do anything right, can they

>>49650574
>From the dwarf perspective, it's a lot easier to justify that they were in the right
Oh no, I get that, that's the tragedy behind this story. I'm arguing on what exactly happened in that throne room and guess that it's probably an inbetween between both stories and both are lying in some way, but we don't have any unbiased witnesses.

So what's the deal with Morathi at the end? Is she just a manipulative power-hungry bitch, or is she the first Elf who turned to Chaos, corrupting his son Malekith?

Speaking of the thing that should not be mentioned, why would Grombrindal save Malekit's life?

>>49650873
>why would Grombrindal save Malekit's life?
for no reason at all, it's one of those "what the fuck?!" moments of the End Times

Malekith and Grombrindal may have been friends at some point, but that ended when Malekith started the war of the beard, and grudges must be answered

>>49644208
>3 attacks by default

Fucking dropped

>>49651367
>when Malekith started the war of the beard, and grudges must be answered

How do you know that Grombrindal knew exactly who was behind it?

>>49649250

>ayy lmao

>>49649990

Maybe they didn't tell them because it was Malekith who established the alliance.

>>49650210

That the Chaos Gods are a lot more powerful than the regular gods is an important premise of the setting though.

What's the deal with the Imperial Dragon? Does he have a canon name? Why is he in the imperial zoo in the first place? What's his relationship with Karl? What happened to him in the End Times?

>>49654271
It doesn't have a name, and it's been in the zoo since it was an egg. They keep it there as both a mount and an exhibit. Karl Franz is the only one who can ride it but I can't recall any lore in which he actually does this. In the end times, Gregor Martak attempted to release it to turn the tide against the beastmen. It kills the beastmen that chased him, the. Presumably flies off at some point after the battle.

>>49653359
You're playing an ogre, what the fuck are you expecting?

>>49647094
Because they're a relative minority spread across the globe and constantly beset by a range of monsters and corruptions.

>>49649086
Is Warhammer a dead topic on /tg/?

>>49622302
Make the fishpeople Tau.

>>49650631
I think the closest situation to the truth is that the Dwarfs put forward their situation, the elves said 'not our problem', the dwarfs took that as an insult and responded in kind, elves shaved beard and here we are.

>>49655708
1 or 2 attack AT MOST

3 attacks plus at least 1 more given by some first career you get 4 fucking attacks at the start of the game

>>49655975
You're playing an Ogre.

What are you expecting?

>>49655975
You get that 2e Ogres have base 3 attacks BEFORE you apply any career advancements, yeah?

Like, an Ogre Chieftain should have around 5 attacks.

>>49653359
>Ogres in the Bestiary have 3 attacks
>Ogre PCs have 3 attacks.
>Fucking Dropped

>Humans in the Bestiary have 1 attack
>Human PCs have 1 attack
>Fucking dropped

>I have literally
>NEVER
>Used a career advancement
>On a fucking
>NPC
>Once
>Not even once

Does anyone have any good advise on how to run high elves in 9th age?

>>49658512
Nobody in these threads actually plays wargames anymore. Stick to the 9th Age forums.

>>49658619
Those are kind of terrible to navigate tho