Pathfinder General /pfg/

>>49614839
Blinklings are canonically ugly.

>>49614839
Probably a kitsune

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Reposting from previous thread:

Sup, /pfg/
Can I get some feedback and input on my homebrew class, the Empyrius?

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1xQMlB45-UFEWCB2ffqoBUMhR-t4afSXLk29fgTJNVyw/edit

Its designed to be a well-rounded class capable of covering offense and support with a few crowd control tricks.

Its main encompassing theme is a person capable of harnessing 'Essence'. A catch-all term for Ki, Powerpoints, Grit, etc.

He may use these Essences and shape them to either bolster his allies by using the Augment Essence Quintessences or to harm his foes using the Augment Siphon Quintessences.

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>>49613952
>Page 2 "It is equivalent to a spell whose level is equal to 1/2 the avowed's class level (minimum 1st level)."
Should also have a "maximum 9th level" line

>Page 5 Body of the Fiend: "You gain damage reduction/silver or damage reduction/cold iron (chosen when you gain this ability) equal to 1/2 your avowed level"

This feels too strong, 1/2 level DR is Barbarian tier even if this one is overcome-able. I recommend it be dropped to 1/3 level.

>Page 6 Indebted (new subtype): "However, if your soul gem is physically present when a spellcaster uses raise dead, resurrection, or a similar spell on your corpse, the spellcaster does not need to provide the normal material components for the spell.

Way way too good. Free resurrections are a no no. I think it should be changed to have the gem let you use it in place of a body or body part when casting those spells. Also it needs to be clarified what happens to their soul gem after they come back. Also what happens if you crush it while the person is still alive.


In general, I think "Shape Clauses" and "Clauses" are too close in name. Perhaps change "Clauses" to "Utility Clauses"?

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>>49614839
Kitsune, on the grounds that the Blinkling's official Bloodforge pdf art is pic related.

So, Forrest broke off (no, broke off, DSP is done for) and is doing their own thing.
You faggots managed to drive off more of the devs who bothered to post here, AND the threads have turned into animu shitposting that would make touhoufag proud.
Fuck you guys, I'm going to the Scion thread.

Are the Harbinger's Grim News abilities from 9th and 15 levels constant, or is it limited to a certain duration per day or per encounter?

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Why aren't you playing a Warder (Zweihander Sentinel) knight defending the realm with liberal applications of Elemental Flux, /pfg/?

>>49614870
I just assume that's up to the GM. Maybe establish Thistletop as the primary Goblin holding in the area like our GM did, make it clear that crushing the place would prevent any major Goblin attacks for the next couple of years at least.

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>>49614904
cuz I'm using silver crane.

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>>49614833
>Skalds (be sure to sing something pure hotblooded from JAM Project or Dragonforce)
Skald or Bard for maximum "LISTEN TO MY SONG!"

>>49614903
Constant

>>49614934
>Reminder that Ozma listened to Fire Bomber and survived Pineapple Salad

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>>49614903
Constant. Where were you getting the suggestion or implication of a limit?

>>49614900
Y'alright there anon? D'ya need to talk?

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>>49614900
>>49614900
To be fair, the animu shitposting began because of the fuffly tail campaign.
I suspect the thread will return to "shitting on wizards " soon enough

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>>49614886
When did you ever say first come first served, you autist?

Proof of autistic elitist snub GMery:
http://pastebin.com/9kvbDjKX

>>49614961
shhh. he thinks you're gone!

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Reposting this for the new thread, the Avowed's current public preview:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B5HkyGRtGZy3SWVhdWFBWERWWjg/view?usp=sharing

This link (and the uploaded PDF on the left) is to an 18-page preview, including the base class, enough options to play all the way to level 10, and a single pact (fiends). There'll be more to come about midway through October, once I get the rest written up, including many more pacts, several archetypes, and a buttload more abilities to pick from.

>>49614846
¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Anime's always been a very social thing for me. My weeb thing is manga reading. I have read /so much/ manga.

>>49614890
>Should also have a "maximum 9th level" line
I don't actually see why? There's spells higher than 9th level (heighten some stuff with metamagic reducers).

>This feels too strong, 1/2 level DR is Barbarian tier even if this one is overcome-able. I recommend it be dropped to 1/3 level.

It's DR that's overcome by many weapons, and also barbarian is a fucking awful benchmark for DR, since their DR is basically worthless until high levels. 1/3 level would be completely and utterly useless, not even worth putting on your character sheet. Honestly, between the perception issues inherent in people overvaluing DR, and this actually not being strong, I'll probably replace Body of the Fiend with something different and more useful.

>Free resurrections are a no no
I don't really agree; it's a strong potential risk if your patron has reasons for wanting to keep you, and free resurrections are imho very good for the game. I can see it causing problems potentially, though. I'll alter it to halve the cost and count as the body instead.

>Also it needs to be clarified what happens to their soul gem after they come back

Whoops, was meant for the gem to stop existing as long as you're alive.

>Shape Clauses
Or I might just call them "Shapes".

Gimme a bit, I'll upload some fixes.

>>49614904
Because not everyone sucks PoW's dick to the most extreme extent.

>>49614945
>>49614961
Shit. I was really just hoping it wasn't constant. I'm the one who just gave a go-ahead for a Wizard/Harbinger gestalt a few hours ago.

>>49614968

That image is too raw.

>>49614972
Front Mission: Dog Life
is a good mecha one, if you're into the sorta-depressing war story ones.

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>>49614990
> Gestalt

Anon, you knew what you were getting into. I am not even a little sorry.

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>>49614961
>>49614972
hi Gareth and Forrest, can I bother you guys a bit and ask for some feedback to my homebrew?

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1xQMlB45-UFEWCB2ffqoBUMhR-t4afSXLk29fgTJNVyw/edit

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>>49615007
Y'cannot, sadly. I'm backlogged on malefex and three other things, part of my face is fucking disintegrating (again), and I'm otherwise kinda busy. I know I said I'd look at it before, but I'ma have to beg your patience.

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>>49615005
It's a small enough party that I thought things would be alright. Now I'll have to deal with a Wizard with a fly speed in the party

I deserve this for not reading the Harbinger thoroughly enough before I okayed the concept

Anyone up for a knightly game where you slay dragons, rescue fair maidens, and combat evil wizards? Ping me on the /pfg/ IRC if you want details. Its 32 PB PoW Gestalt.

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Reposting this again now that I have refined the idea.

I have done more reading of the Unchained Barbarian and am separating out the design decisions it made that I liked. What I have seen that messes with the barbarian class is that there are a lot of must have rage powers, such as superstition. Finding a barbarian without superstition is like finding a needle in a haystack.

So I've thought about this fact and come to a conclusion for the design of the Unchained Barbarian. If there is a class feature from a list that players will simply always take, then there shouldn't even be an option there.

My other decision is that this is to be rolled into a new class feature called Tribal Heritage. Tribal Heritage will replace all the current "Totem" rage powers. At first level, much like a cavalier chooses a totem, one would choose a Tribal Heritage. This comes with an automatically scaling totem, a modified superstition (superstition that one has more control over for when they use it+ a small different bonus) and two entirely new things.

>additional skill suite
skill trick (basically a unique way of using a skill, like the current cavalier orders have) + bonus class skills

>modified rage
Every tradition will have a small modification to rage, like orders modify challenges.


This new feature will come at the cost of Trap Sense and DR. Both of these will become Rage Powers (DR possibly becoming two).

So the only static class feature Barbarian now has is Fast Movement and Rage, all others have some form of character input (either choosing a tradition or a rage power).


As well something I have been thinking about is Barbarian's lack of out of combat versatility. For this I examined the new stances that exist as rage powers. I have thought of the possibility of such stances to include some thematic abilities, such as ranger favored terrain bonuses, scent, and more that can be used while not raging.

General thoughts of a redesign of the unchained barbarian?

>>49614972
>I don't actually see why? There's spells higher than 9th level (heighten some stuff with metamagic reducers).
Mainly for consistancys sake. Compare to the Kineticists wording: "an effective spell level equal to 1/2 the kineticist's class level (to a maximum effective spell level of 9th at kineticist level 18th)"

>It's DR that's overcome by many weapons, and also barbarian is a fucking awful benchmark for DR, since their DR is basically worthless until high levels. 1/3 level would be completely and utterly useless, not even worth putting on your character sheet. Honestly, between the perception issues inherent in people overvaluing DR, and this actually not being strong, I'll probably replace Body of the Fiend with something different and more useful.

That's true...... I retract my statement. Also I'll be playtesting this next Saturday, so I'll check it out then.

>I don't really agree; it's a strong potential risk if your patron has reasons for wanting to keep you, and free resurrections are imho very good for the game. I can see it causing problems potentially, though. I'll alter it to halve the cost and count as the body instead.

I should have been more specific, I wasn't concerned about the Avowed, I was more concerned with allies under the effect of the Fiend pacts "Temptation" ability.

>>49614895
As opposed to furry fox bitches?

>>49615046
Can I be a fair maiden rescuing dragons?

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>>49614934
You want the most hotblooded skald in all anime?

pic related

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>>49615066
>Mainly for consistancys sake. Compare to the Kineticists wording: "an effective spell level equal to 1/2 the kineticist's class level (to a maximum effective spell level of 9th at kineticist level 18th)"

Fair enough.

>That's true...... I retract my statement. Also I'll be playtesting this next Saturday, so I'll check it out then.

>I was more concerned with allies under the effect of the Fiend pacts "Temptation" ability.

Even so, that's still just "you can reroll your character a bit faster and get back to the game without losing your plotline." You'd still get hit with a negative level off raise dead, etc. Even so, I'm cutting the power of that effect a bit.

Give it a bit, I need to think up a replacement for Body of the Fiend, and then I'll upload a new version.

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>>49615096
Man, what even is Symphogear?

>>49615096
That's not fair, she's like a Skald / Steelfist Commando / Vigilante Magical Child

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Anyone here play Guild Wars 1? How would one homebrew a Dervish class?

>>49615094
It's possible and up to discussion. Just poke me on the /pfg/ IRC if I'm online and you're being serious

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>>49615071
Well, it would be cheating to use the original art for Blinklings, but not do the same for Kitsune when comparing the two.

Comparing pic related to that Blinkling you're looking at, I'd probably prefer pic related.

>>49615046
I don't have access to this mystical IRC, and I'll only be able to talk mobile tomorrow until around 7, but I'm definitely interested. Is there another way to contact you?

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>>49615096
>>49615109
Lets be fair, even Precure is hotblooded under a veneer of cute girls doing cute magical things

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>>49615109
The best.

Symphogear is the best.

>>49615122
Make an initiator. Give them abilities to make their strikes hit multiple adjacent enemies (probably with some decently stiff limitations), and some psuedo-casting buffs and heals.

>>49615156
You can add TheLegendNeverDies#6031 on Discord

>>49615122
Alternatively, play a warpriest or inquisitor or other divine casting class and give them an archetype with whirlwind attack.

>>49615186
>>49615229
I guess it was more for the teardown mechanic than "divine scythe guy"

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>>49615103
Because I am a being of pure hotfix, I've uploaded a second version, with some quick fixes and a new ability that's both more useful and honestly more on-theme with the set of abilities this Fiend pact gets.

>>49615162
Source?

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>>49615186
>>49615229
You are branded as the elitist snub GM who denied everyone fluffy tails!

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>>49615258
... Forgot the link. Welp.https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B5HkyGRtGZy3SWVhdWFBWERWWjg

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>>49615046
Instead of playing a knight, can I instead play a potion seller?

>>49615268
It's done. I get that you don't like him, but please don't spam every thread with this.

>>49615265
I just fucking mentioned about it in my post, you mong

>>49615285

You can play a knight AND a potion seller!

>>49615300
Derp, I'm an idiot sorry.

So what is everyone's favourite Medium spirit combination?

>Champion, Butcher, Savith
>Guardian, Terminator, Arnisant
>Trickster, Deceiver, Ambras Imre
>Marshal, Warmonger, Azghaad I
>Archmage, Lich, Sulesh the Great
>Hierohpant, Heretic, Abrogail Thrune I

In theory, there is also Nex in the archmage category, but it locks you into the Nexian Channeler Archetype.

>>49615257
I must say, I was always more of a Ranger/Ritualist or a Elementalist/IDon'tCare player. Maybe I don't know the real charm of the Dervish.

>>49615115
You don't need Vigilante Magical Child for the transformation sequence.

Just get some glammered armor

>>49615285
You'd have to be the Donald Trump of the potion business. I don't think so.

>>49615318
Dervish was mostly a formula of:
>give self feeder buff
>use attack that can remove buff and gets bonus stuff if you do
>feeder enchantments usually had some effect when they end
I think it might be fun to try to adapt to pathfinder, though I'm not sure how.

>>49615210
Requested. I'll be able to talk tomorrow, but I gotta get some sleep. My game was last night, and I only got 3 hours before work.

>>49615378
Hmm... I think you could make that work.

A mechanic where you say "Hmm.. I think I'll want the end effect in ... 3 rounds." and vary your effect duration to change when you get the end effect would be crazy fun if you did it right. Adding lots of prediction and "three steps ahead" gameplay.

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>>49615268
>>49615297
>>49615409
>Hallow S. (GM): Concerns: Your general tone seems to imply a less fantasy more historical men/women gender roles, and this acts highly contrarily to literally everyone else's backstories, and even general pathfinder tone.

He's also a feminist cuck.

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>>49615442

Which character is he complaining about in this post?

>>49615024
Uh...
anon

I've never HEARD of a wizard that didn't have a fly speed.

It's a wizards.

wizards have fly speeds.

>>49615409
an example would be something like:

>feeder buff fire edition
>for wisdom rounds, gain 2d6 fire damage on all attacks. When this effect ends all foes within 10ft take 2d10 fire damage.

>teardown attack 1
>melee attack does an extra 1d6 damage and removes a feeder buff. If a feeder buff is removed this way, you may attack the target twice.

>>49615497
Yeah, but now it won't even require a spell/magic item

>>49614972
Why does that kinda remind me of the Moritz-G?

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>>49615488

Mine - the Kitsune courtesan. This was the line is question:

"Men control the world, but women control the world's men."

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>>49615529

here's the context if you care

>>49615148
That's not official Paizo art.

>>49614839
Blinklings are fucking horrific so I'd rather have a kitsune. They'd be less likely to give me nightmares.

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>>49615529

Throwing gender roles aside, an attractive and intelligent courtesan that has the ear of the emperor seems like a very thematically appropriate thing for an Eastern setting; Daji did it, Tamamo-no-Mae did it, Wu Zetian did it, what's the big deal?

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>>49615529
>Men control the world, but women control the world's men.
Sounds ebin, friendo!

>>49615571
Being a cuck is the big deal.

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>>49615571

He said my writing was weak, roles of women were too backwards, and the details I provided on the world were difficult to understand and not the ones he wanted.

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>>49615571
Literally got snubbed by an elitist autist GM.

He's rather run for fucking 2hu.

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>>49615556
Fair enough. This one work better as an example?

>>49615588
>and the details I provided on the world were difficult to understand and not the ones he wanted.

>>49615554

>I've got a religious order of concubines that are trying to create the "perfect woman" in Not!China, my character is a member of this order and, instead of being sold to a noble as a hot piece of ass, I'm used by the entire Not!Chinese court for diplomatic missions, advisory roles or even espionage.

Didn't seem that hard on my end.

I'm mostly keeping this conversation going so the titty fox art keeps coming in.

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>>49615162
>>49615109
>>49615096
Reminder that even exceptionally girly senshi series can be hotblooded.
reminder even sailor moon's past And future is basically galactic genocide.

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>>49615592
>>49615442
>>49615656

It's my character he rejected, and honestly it's no big deal. He warned me going in his answer would probably be 'no'.

What APs that aren't Rise of the Runelords would you recommend running for a party of newer players?

>>49615717
Carrion Crown

>>49615717

Jade Regent. You walk all the way from Varisia to Tien Xia, so if you don't know the world it's like actually making the exploration for yourself.

also you can sleep with Ameiko and Shayliss

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Why does getting rejected from a fluffy tails game cause so much indignation?

>>49615665
>galactic genocide

Elaborate?

>>49615749

I have no idea, dude.

The sooner we can move on from this and find a new campaign to obsess over, the better.

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>>49615749

mostly just because of the burden of preparation. I've never put so much work into something and have it be so casually brushed off before - it just rubs you the wrong way. No rational reason, really, just people being human.

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>>49615747

>tfw I've yet to meet a DM who doesn't turn the old gypsy grandma into a hot, young fortune teller.

>>49615717
Kingmaker. It's fairly railroady, but the kingdom building means that the players can set their own difficulty depending on how fast they want to tackle the adventure.

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>>49615772

Well, now you've got instant PLOT and BACKSTORY for the next campaign, right?

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https://docs.google.com/document/d/1GvwMclLSw15slYI7D5xLdjMzr-Nau92hNha9Sx0LOk4/edit#heading=h.ahunc3g1deal

>Coyōtl

>Not truly a kitsune, but a closely related species, the coyōtl share their eastern cousin’s affinity for trickery and manipulation. Like kitsune, they are master shapeshifters, but their carrion-heavy diet and heavy spiritualism has led many to believe—including the majority of coyōtl themselves—that they possess power over life and death. And yet, in spite of this burden, they live life one day at a time, cheerful and impulsive, fast-talking their way out of any trouble they find themselves in.

>+2 Wisdom, +2 Charisma, –2 Strength: Coyōtl are excellent at reading and exploiting people, but find brute strength unappealing. This racial trait replaces the normal kitsune’s racial ability modifiers.

>Liminal Mediator (Ex/Sp): Coyōtl add +1 to the DC of any saving throws against death effects that they use. Whenever a coyōtl uses an ability that would heal a creature by a number expressed in dice, they heal an additional 1 hit point per die of healing. Finally, coyōtl can use bleed and stabilize as spell-like abilities once per round as a free action (caster level equals the coyōtl’s character level). This racial trait replaces kitsune magic.

>Trickster (Ex): Coyōtl gain a +2 racial bonus on Bluff checks. This racial trait replaces agile.

Coyōtl are made to be Wis/Cha caster clerics.

Would you take a coyōtl cleric as your waifu/husbando/sister/cohort/PC?

>>49615776
Ours didn't. She ended up being the old adoptive mother of two of the PCs, and essentially being the party's collective grandmother.

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>>49615766
>>49615772
You think this is bad, try signing up for Myth-Weavers games.

Same thing, every game, every time.

>>49615790
Yes. I totally would. Coyotes are better than foxes

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>>49614904
Because I play 3.5 and use swordsage instead

>>49615772

Everyone here's experienced (or will experience) something like this, just remember that.

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>>49615772
I'm, like, 99% sure that you're the victim of a very clever troll.

Troll saw that the campaign was first come, first served and spammed join links to it when the GM already had four good apps.

Looks like you fell for a troll's ruse, boyo.

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Why is /pfg/ always infested with anime?

>>49615808
>>49615823
>>49615788
W-would this be a good way to get better at writing characters? I'm really bad at coming up with compelling backstory and tying the character into the world.

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>>49615788
Maybe. I was particularly excited for this one since I've wanted to find a game that wasn't afraid of having lewd themes for once - I've never even tried one that I didn't GM myself. Seems like those games are hard to find.

>>49615837
I dunno, this seem like a troll conversation to you?

>>49615808

>tfw I spent three years on that site and experienced this dozens of times... And that's for the campaigns I got into.

I know how you feel, anon. I know.

Hey /pfg/, can we talk about occultists? I need advice.

I've been looking at the class, and it seems like they can fill almost any role in a party (those being the classic Fighter, Thief, Mage, Cleric roles). Are there any that they're particularly bad at? And what implement schools are best for each role? I've been thinking about a character concept for the past couple days, but being flush with options combined with not knowing what roles need filling means I've gone nowhere.

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>>49615858
No no no, you don't get it.

I don't think the GM was the one spamming the join links. Some clever troll was, to get people trying to sign up when the game was already full, see?

>>49615850
Because 4chan.

What? Were you expecting a more specific answer?

Nah, anon. Where do you think we are?

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>That feeling when your stuck in a 3.5 group who refuses to play PF because PF is "Broken" and "OP" when compared to 3.5

For a first time roll20 gm, what adventure path do you think would be the best to run in that format?

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>>49615884

>>49615853

The best way to create compelling characters and improve your writing about is to STEAL, STEAL, STEAL.

No joke, go on Myth-Weavers and just start going to town on applications, dissect those bad boys apart for phrases or concepts you like and stitch together a character out of them.

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>>49615876

I spoke to him several times, dude. That's my conversation with him right there.

>>49615850
Because Pathfinder is ludicrously imbalanced between its different classes, which makes power build discussion boring. So conversation naturally steered towards characters that are aesthetically pleasing instead (read: anime) and never really strayed from that.

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>>49615761
I'm not 100% sure on the second part, but basically:
queen beryl, backed by this insane powerlevel bitch named metalia, lead the citizens of the earth in revolt against the moon kingdom.
Everyone died.
No, like. *everyone* died. There's a senshi who uses a weapon called the silence glaive. She uses it, after all of the pre-historic (silver millenium) senshi, the prince, and the queen, have all been killed, along with the rest of the kingdom, to completely erase there having been a kingdom at all. It's just that powerful.
Shitton of time later, pluto (the time traveller) shows up, along with all the other reincarnated royalty (except the queen, IIRC, who sacrificed her life in a ritual so that people would reincarnate)
Events of series happen, yadda yadda.
Now. There's three important facts here, and most of it is implied or maybe wrong.

A. There's a new kindgom that Serenity rules over in the future, called crystal tokyo. Everyone there is immmortal.
B. Sailor pluto is OLD AS HELL and has been interacting with the human race via time-travel since forever
C. Sailor moons daughter, Chibiusa, is literally time traveling back from a paradise to be in our time, alongside her own teenage mother.


Basically, X years in the future, pluto reveals that there is a fuck-huge meteor heading for earth. It will slowly pass by, but it will kill 100% of the planet, slowly and awfully due to the changes it makes. Pluto has been manipulating history so that one day, sailor moon can use her completely absurd powerlevels to actually pull the meteor in *closer* so it passes by much quicker, but kills 98 (or 99.8)% of the planets population instead of 100, doing so much faster.
Crystal tokyo is founded with the remaining people alive, and granted, this is from someone else telling me Chibiusa comes back because her future mom is fucking depressed for killing everone, and she's perma-young because her mom wants her to be.

>>49615884
Is that really so bad though? PF just seems to be getting worse.

>>49615884
I mean.

A lot of 3.5 is significantly more balanced than PF. Much higher ceiling, but also more competent martials, less competent casters (in practice, discounting TO), and more interesting characters in general.

Basically all PF improved on was level 1 customization and skill points. And nerfing Druid.

3.p master race

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>>49615790
I want to marry a Chuuni coyotl sorceress and walk the path of EXPLOSIONS with her.

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>>49615884
>TFW i was stuck in that group
>TFW I was somewhat one of those people, mostly just didn't want to play PF since I was just so used to 3.5

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>>49615749
Because rejection hurts anon.
Specially for people that are so afraid of rejection they barely go outside and this is a "high school getting picked for sports" simulator for nerds.
And just like then , it aint getting any better as time goes by.

>>49615907

He's saying the conversation was a fool's errand to begin with because he was never seriously looking for a 5th player in the first place.

You wrote a good character and a good bit of lore, it got shut down by a DM. It sucks, but it's best to accept you got handed a shit deal and move on. /pfg/ is making games every week, I'm positive you will find a place to play a lewd Kitsune courtesan.

The knight campaign mentioned earlier sounds like it could work.

>>49615872
For filling in general character roles?

An Occultist with Transmutation and Abjuration as his first two implements can get good at fighting real quick, and they have nice utility powers.

An Occultist with Divination, Illusion, and Enchantment as his first three implements is going to rock hard at an investigative game, and be a great party face.

An Occultist with the Conjuration and Necromancy schools will have ALL of the minions. All of them. Additionally, pick up Evocation for blasting potential.

Really, your choice of your first three implements is going to decide how you play.

>>49615907
Well,he was critical, but I think he was fair. I'd suggest working a bit more on your writing style and such. Take getting turned down as a challenge to improve yourself rather than let it get you depressed and stuck in a rut.

>>49615940

Chuuni are not for marriage, they are for bullying.

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So I'm gonna' be GM'ing my campaign where the players are gonna' be using the exploration and kingdom building rules from Ultimate Campaign. But here's the question.

Should I?

One of the peeps said that the Kingdom building rules suck pretty hard. And please don't tell me the only thing that matters is to, "have fun." "Fun," is just a buzzword.

But seriously. How have you dudes run managing settlements in YOUR campaigns and games?

>>49615442
>>>/pol/

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>>49615997
No, no bullying!

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>>49615907
And the GM wasn't the one spamming the join links.

Some troll was, tricking people like you into trying to join when it was impossible.

>>49616011

Yes, they need to get the syndrome bullied out of them with vicious mocking and dismantling of their delusions!

>>49615989

>improve your writing

Well this may be a good opportunity, then. Help me identify why this application is acceptable, but mine here: >>49615554 was not.

Since it's my writing, I can't really tell what I do poorly or could improve on, or why this other guy's is better than mine.

>>49616021

Do you or anyone else here have more good anime girl reaction images? I've been using the same old for a while now and I need to update.

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>>49616038

forgot image, classic blunder

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>>49615511
OH NO. HE'LL USE A FAR MORE LIMITED CLASS ABILITY THAN ONE OF HIS FIFTY FUCKING SPELLS PER DAY IN ORDER TO DO THE SAME THING HE COULD'VE DONE CHEAPER AS A VANCIAN CASTER.

HOW WILL BALANCE EVER SURVIVE THIS DEADLY ONSLAUGHT.

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>>49616053

>>49616024
No, absolutely no bullying! If you don't like someone then don't talk to them, it's that simple!

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>>49616052
Just go to /a/ or to /c/ goddammit.

>>49615906
Like what that person taking "applications" is doing here right now.

>>49615925
Let me also explain a bit, didn't make it clear if you don't recognize names and shit
>beryl isn't actually a queen, she's just effected by an overpowering presence and also a bitch who wants to be.
>Queen who forced people to reincarnate was moon kindoms ruler, Serenity.
>sailor moon is also technichally named Serenity, she's daughter of the queen by same name. She becomes queen in crystal tokyo.
>Sailor pluto/outer senshi weren't there to defend the moon kingdom. fairly certain they are the same people they were in the past
>Moon kingdom's existence was completely erased, that's why there's so many craters, not purely because meteor impacts.
>The series i skip over is still completely fucking crazy. Chibi-usa falls in love with a pegasus-god dream dude, for example.
>The prince of earths guards are brainwashed generals of beryl at the start. It's /heavily/ implied they've been brainwashed for millennia, without breaking out of it.

>>49616038

Right off the bat I'm seeing you jump into myth and legend in Paragraph 3 without actually telling us you're talking about myth and legend. While I could tell what you were doing, I won't hold it against someone who could not.

The same happens in the story of the Sixth Emperor, "tradition says" is not the same as "a common folk story" or "songs speak of the legend of the Sixth Emperor."

>>49616075

If I don't bully them they will never improve as people! I will put on the mantle of villain so they can become heroes!

>>49616126
That is not true! People change by slowly having life chip away at their being. Society can push them one way or another, but that' doesn't help, and has no guarantee of helping them!

>>49616053

You spent like 10 paragraphs saying your character is a respected courtesan in Not!China.

He spent three paragraphs describing his noble character recognizing her call to duty and seek out her brother's killer.

He gave the DM immediate toys and play dough, you gave the DM very colorful clay.

>>49616117

What's the name of that homicidal guardian spirit in your image?

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>>49616152

What if for every time you bully them, you also hug them tight and tell them kind, life-affirming things?

>>49615156
#pfg on irc.rizon.net

Better get in there now, since nipmoot is apparently planning to ruin 4chan for good.

Not like we didn't already do that

>>49616117

1) The GM might have had some threshold of "Whoa man, this is a wall of text" that you tripped with your own app.

He asked me to expand the application and add worldbuilding details

2) 2hu's app, while shorter, ties in to something else another player already made. It's linked up. Not like Golarion amirite?

So was mine, it was in a paragraph I appended to the end but forgot to copy before I deleted the post. It talked about the tense relations between all the neighboring kingdoms, and this one's slow decline.

3) 2hu's app comes with, like, plot hooks and shit, mysteries the character needs to solve.

I also had this paragraph, not included in the image:

Despite the Empire's many challenges, it is not without hope. Her resources are vast, and her population is the largest in the known world. The new Emperor has surrounded himself with the finest minds in the Empire, as well as some peculiar foreigners, and intends to reinvigorate his dying kingdom. Xiajen must adapt or perish - the world is getting smaller, and the scent of weakness grows more foul over his domain with every passing generation. Reforms must be made, alliances brokered, and threats both within and without neutralized. In all of these tasks, the Emperor will find Jesi's skillset invaluable.


>>49616163
he asked for exactly this kind of detail, that's why it's in there. Here are his exact words:

Your character seems eminently acceptable but entirely uninspiring. Adding your character to the world would not add any new paradigms or interesting details. No plots come to mind for things your character could hope for, or things you have that could be threatened.
If I had an AP, and needed more people to go through it, sure, but here where I'm making things up on the fly, two primary traits I need are "Adds to the world.", "Inspires me to make plotlines". Your character is well designed to fit in anywhere, which is a minus in this case.

>>49616190
This. Chuuni are for bullying and loving.
But then again I think this for all qts

>>49616216
>He asked me to expand the application and add worldbuilding details

You guys *STILL* haven't figured it out?
Even with *THAT* red flag?

>>49616190
Then you're just being abusive.

>>49615279
>Page 10 Aether Channel: When you use this shape, you increase your base attack bonus from avowed levels to equal your avowed level until the start of your next turn.
That's worded weirdly, I'd change it to this: "When you use this shape, your base attack bonus from avowed levels is equal to your avowed level until the start of your next turn."
>Page 10 Aether Channel 3rd selection
Should specify if it stacks with haste or not
>Page 10 Aether Circus: "Using this shape does not provoke attacks of opportunity"
This is stated twice. Also FUCK YEAH ITANO CIRCUS!
>Page 11 Aether Grasp
Force Choke bitch!
>Page 12 Aether Wave
This rapidly outpaces other "AoE" options in terms of damage. Maybe make it do 1/2 damage on hits after the first?
>Page 12 Aether Wrath
I love the cylinder heights! For when you really want to tell the flier to fuck off.

>>49616216
Your character didn't inspire him. That's it. Without knowing the person, it's hard to know if you're going to hit the mark, if that's the criterion. Your views on what it interesting just didn't line up.

>>49615986
I was thinking Transmutation, Abjuration, and Necromancy - fighty with a side of minions and skills. Probably pick up Divination next, since Conjuration didn't really seem all that good.

>>49616053
To be fair that first guy got in first and the bar was set progressively higher for subsequent applicants. The GM even said, "First come, first serve." So by the time you made your application I think the bar was too high for most people to be able to make it in.

That said, I feel that the issue with your writing is that you assume a little much on the part of the reader (you're shotgunning foreign names of individuals and locations which are are hard to follow) and your language was a way too flowery.

For example, "Because of the first woman, all nations of men which cover the world came into begin. The world and all its histories, conquests and artforms therefore have all sprung from the beauty of women, and continue to do so."

That's just incredibly awkward. Therefore? "All nations of men which cover the world" - that's a mouthful and would have helped if you had put the word "the" in there.

Your text got overly flowery in a way that made what you were writing harder to understand. Now, some people will say, "Shorter is always better." But I don't think that's necessarily the case.

Being concise can be problematic in its own way when you cut stuff too far to the point that nobody cares. Clarity is the most important thing in writing.

If something is too long and convoluted for people to understand, or so long their eyes glaze over you've failed. Likewise if it's too short to get them to care or to get your point across, you've failed.

So using flowery and descriptive text can be okay, but only as long as you do so in a manner that keeps your writing clear and on point and doesn't feel like you're just tossing out words for the sake of tossing them out.

This is what I would recommend working on - practice writing out descriptions but doing so in a way that keeps things simple and on point.

If you have any other questions just ask. I'm a high school English teacher so I get to help people with their writing quite a bit.

>>49616332
Conjuration nets you Summon Monster, which can be extremely useful. I recommend you take the Soulbound Puppet power if you take necromancy

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>>49616366

that's good advice, thanks

>>49616399
He said that back in the threads when he was announcing the campaign - he was looking for 4 people, first come first serve. The GM got most all of the people he wanted fairly quickly but some troll who got rejected for his 3 sentence application kept spamming several more threads advertising the campaign so more people would get rejected like he did.

The GM was willing to give people a chance to fill a 5th slot if the character concept and world building was good enough to get him inspired. I think he probably should have just said, "No more," instead of giving people a chance and then crushing their dreams when they couldn't perform.

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>>49615884
>My group wants to migrate to 5e because they think PF is broken and OP

Are musketeer Gunslingers worth a damn or should I go for a Druid?

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>>49616452
>PF is broken
Well they're not wrong...

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>>49616465
I would rather play this 'broken' game than that boring cliche-ridden vapid garbage.

>>49616393
I already know I'm taking Soulbound Puppet at either 3 or 5, those rotating familiar bonuses are too good.

>>49616453
>Tier 6 vs. Tier 1-2
Depends on what the rest of the party is playing. If they're high-tiers, go Druid, if they're mid-low you can probably function as a slinger.

>>49616452
At least it makes sense. 5e is toned the fuck down and has generally has a more stable curve, bounded accuracy, and less class disparity.
If they do move, you can still have fun, just talk to you DM about converting a favorite class or race to 5e and prepare to accept some nerfs.

>>49616480
>boring cliche-ridden vapid garbage
That still sounds like Pathfinder to me.

>>49616483
Yeah. I'm pretty certain you can also put archetypes on the familiars you Summon.

>>49616431
No problem. The one other issue is that I think your nation-state just didn't really bring anything. There was already a China/Japan nation, so your wanting to introduce another one country that was so similar just didn't feel inspiring to the GM. And to be honest, I can't really blame him for that.

Perhaps if you had based your kingdom off of India or Cambodia or Persia or even the Aztecs or Inuit or Iroquois the GM might have been more receptive. But you were kind of giving him something he already had.

Overall though I thought your writing is fairly good. You just needed to have spent another 10 minutes or so editing it. One trick I've found is to read what your write out loud, one word at a time. Yes, you feel like an absolute tool doing it, but it's a great way to notice if you've skipped a word or if you wrote something that sounded good in your head but sounds awkward when read out lout.

Anyway, don't get discouraged. I thought your writing was definitely worth a solid B, it's just the GM was looking for an A+. Stick with it, keep practicing and you'll definitely get better anon.

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>>49615046
>mfw already in a few games and can't join another
>mfw even if I did drop one to join, I still probably wouldn't be able to make whatever time gets decided on
>mfw I have been trapped in 1pp only games so long I don't think I can even make a PoW character, let alone a gestalt one, that I want to play

fuck

>>49616502
Even if you can't, they use your skill ranks. A monkey can use thieves' tools or a wand just fine with PC ranks in the relevant skills.

>>49616301
Thanks. I uploaded a fixed version just now.

>This rapidly outpaces other "AoE" options in terms of damage. Maybe make it do 1/2 damage on hits after the first?
I'm not actually sure it does; do note that once you're 3 steps into the "AoE" ones, the damage they deal doubles. This one doesn't get that except for one target.

>I love the cylinder heights! For when you really want to tell the flier to fuck off.
I really enjoyed getting to write a log scale AoE

So only a few classes get pounce:

Barbarian at level 10
Monk gets a sorta-pounce at level ?
Beastmorph alchemist gets one at level 10.
Dervish dancer archetype gets a bad one at level 12.
Magus gets to cast bladed dash as part of a full attack really early.

Anything else I'm missing?

>>49616497
>Magic Gunslingers shooting disintegration beams
>Warriors that summons an unlimited field of swords
>Barbarians that sings so fucking metal, everyone grows horns and claws
>Alchemists and every bullshit they can do without the aid of magic
>boring cliche-ridden vapid garbage

I can't tell if trolling or legit retarded.

5e brings you back to boring basics. You're a guy with a sword, you're a guy who casts spells, you're a guy who can heal people. What's that? You want to do cool stuff? Well FUCK YOU, WEEB! WE GRITTY REALISM NOW!

>>49616572
Inquisitor and Hunter with Stick Together + Ring of Ferocious Action

>>49615046
>Its 32 PB PoW Gestalt
jesus christ

Are the players conquering armies of large dragons at level 5? Because they could.

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>>49616453
Why not go Wizard (Spellslinger) 1 / Druid (19)?

Wildshape into a velociraptor, and then surf on the back of your shark companion while shooting punk ass bitches with your magical gun. .

>>49616587
Oh damn. One use per ring, but anyone could do it as long as someone else also has the teamwork feat.

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>>49616529

>The one other issue is that I think your nation-state just didn't really bring anything. There was already a China/Japan nation, so your wanting to introduce another one country that was so similar just didn't feel inspiring to the GM. And to be honest, I can't really blame him for that.

I find this ironic, since he specifically called out the nation as being too big and different as a reason for rejecting it. His own words:

So, what I'm left with is "I'd have to fit in ANOTHER huge empire with vast clout, right next to the kitsunes, with lore that was written too unclearly for me to easily parse other than 'There's a special training temple for Courtesans, and two legends'."

This after he told me the following:

I want concepts that inspire me to create an adventure for you, that provide things for me to interact with, that build the world.

>>49616572
Hunter
Inquisitor
Medium
Bloodrager iirc
Vigilante
Unchained Monk

>>49616577
>You're a guy with a sword, you're a guy who casts spells, you're a guy who can heal people. What's that? You want to do cool stuff? Well FUCK YOU, WEEB! WE GRITTY REALISM NOW!
Yeah, that's pretty much how paizo sees PF.

>>49616612
>but anyone could do it as long as someone else also has the teamwork feat.

I said hunter and inquisitor for that exact purpose.

Hunters share teamwork feats with their pets.
Inquisitors have solo tactics.

>>49616572
Summoner can give it to their eidolon, the Synthesist archetype therefore can give it to themself.

>>49616621
>Hunter
>Inquisitor
easy use of ring of ferocious action
>Medium
>Bloodrager iirc
>Vigilante
how?

>>49616588
No full initiators mind you, and it's a small party. Besides, 32 PB hurts nobody, and makes MAD classes much easier to play.

>>49616625
Lets be fair to Paizo, some of their archetypes lets you hybridize classes into cool concepts.

You want to be a Big Guy? Mutation Warrior Fighter

You want to be a functionally great arcane archer, despite the PrC being absolute shit? Eldritch Archer Magus!

What class is best for a healslut who buffs everyone? I'm assuming Cleric?

>>49616648
Still. Zen archer clerics and alchemist barbarians are terrifying enough.

>>49616625
>what is literally every hybrid class besides swashbuckler

>>49616659
Cleric is a decent vanilla healslut, but healing in PF is boring after a few levels when the party have their own means of mitigating or recovering damage.

>>49616660
No tier 1-2 either. It's tier 3 on one side, tier 4 or lower on the other. I figure that's the most balanced way to do gestalt.

>>49616614
Yes. He wanted you to write stuff to inspire him. What you wrote didn't inspire him because it's basically the same thing another dude had already given him. What you gave him was a huge Asian kingdom modeled after China right next to the other huge Asian kingdom modeled after China.

That was already bad enough, but worse your writing was a little muddled and made it hard for him to get a clear mental image of your kingdom. So it didn't leave a strong impression to begin with, and what little impression he got was, "It's basically like that other kingdom that already exists."

If your writing had been more clear maybe he would have accepted your application. If you had designed a unique kingdom rather than one that was basically like a kingdom that was already, you might have gotten in.

But that was two strikes against you, and he had already rejected your first application. Just accept that it happened, move on, and try to work on fixing your writing up a bit. It's just one stupid game, and honestly you're probably better off not playing with 2hu anyway.

>>49616637
Medium - Champion
Vigilante - Avenger has an option for it, same for Agathiel
Bloodrager can probs get it from Monstrous Physique etc.

>>49614839
so as unchained rogue, is there any situation where i can be caught flatfooted with uncanny dodge?

>>49616655
Some, very few of them. Very very few of them. Most just make you even worse at everything.

>>49616681
Yeah I was hoping that at that point I could transition to primarily buffing (maybe debuffing too) or maybe the GM could increase how hard the fights are to make me still useful

>>49616577
Yeah, this sums up why I won't migrate to 5e either.

Playing fighter mcfighter, black mage evilwizardington and stuff gets boring beyond a few levels because you're pretty much a walking cliche of every fantasy genre you've ever seen or read.

>>49616673
>swashbuckler

Don't bully the buckler of swashes.

>>49616701
By someone with more rogue levels than you. By at least 4 levels I think.

>>49616702
I didn't say they were great. I just appreciate that PF has a ton more options than 5e in terms of character creation.

>>49616572
>monk
level 8, pummeling charge

>>49616707
His last name is actually McWarrior.

>>49616707
>fighter mcfighter
>blackmage evilwizardington

Its been years since I read 8bit theatre

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Tell us all about your current character and how they're so cool, /pfg/!

>>49616690
Magus alchemist
Barbarian + most things with 6th level spells

Investigator warpriest for "i have all the fucking spells" edition.

>>49616722
I can't disagree with you, I do very much enjoy more options. I just also enjoy 5e condensing many rules.

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>>49616755
She's a nerd that talks about plants/science too much and doesn't understand what romantic feelings are.

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>>49616691

The other nations in this game were:
>not!welsh
>not!japan
>other not!japan
>not!mongolia

There was no not!China in this game - and yes, I could have made it Egyptian or Persian or whatever, but I thought it better to make something that was similar enough to the existing cultures to be relatable, yet still distinct enough to be interesting. I'm gathering you think I should have made it as different as possible instead, and perhaps you are right for this particular GM...honestly, though, if we are copying real life history, I'd rather have mongolia, japan, and china than mongolia, japan, and the aztecs. That may just be personal preference, though.

>>49614839
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SuyxS6WE2vc

any monk archtypes that let me make vid related?

>>49616747
I miss the old alternative classes that were up on the website for a while, even if they were pretty janky.

>>49616577
>5e brings you back to boring basics. You're a guy with a sword, you're a guy who casts spells, you're a guy who can heal people. What's that? You want to do cool stuff? Well FUCK YOU, WEEB! WE GRITTY REALISM NOW!

Well what if we don't want to play with your kitsune samurai furfetish, faggot?

>>49616614
Christ, are you seriously still bitching about this? If I were the GM, even if I would accept you before now, I'd have to be fucking insane to accept you seeing how you're acting. You're being a manchild.

>>49616812
>Well what if we don't want to play with your kitsune samurai furfetish, faggot?
>implying you can't guys-with-sword it up in pathfinder

Pathfinder gives you a choice.

In fact: no choices allowed is a good summary of how fifth edition works in general.

>>49616755
>Delete Post: [File Only] Style:
>[a / b / c / d / e / f / g / gif / h / hr / k

evil ratfolk rogue that if by chance caught committing heinous acts such as burglary or assassination plays it off as being a cultural thing and calls people a racist/bigot/etc

>>49616829

people are asking about it, and I'm responding to their questions. that's not what 'bitching' is, that's having a conversation. I already said I'm fine with his decision here: >>49615673

You are misinterpreting the nature of the conversation.

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>>49616812
5e is bringing back Kitsunes and Catgirls.
The debauchery wasn't contained, it merely took a while to migrate.

Here, take this to 5e general, they're gonna need it.

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>>49615279
Will there be some way to enlarge the lines? Thin pen trace on a map is sad.

Other things that can be good from high selections:

>Ability to bypass/bust through ray shields and the like

>Ways to deal with "lol combat reflexes + smash from the air"

>longer ranged versions of aether circus; I can't even imagine how you're supposed to get in a situation where you'll be able to target 32 or 64 targets within a 30' radius and still be alive in the first place to TAKE the turn that lets you do this.

>Aether Rounds specify ammunition; any chance you could toss in 'or charges' in there, to allow soul lasers or something? Also I think the potential to instead add shapes to ranged weapons could be delicious

>Dragon Teeth had nothing to do with tank traps my disappointment knows no bounds

Airspace Control reminds me of biscuit hammer near the end... That said, it also makes me think about geomancers; something I've for a long time found sorely lacking from a system that supposedly has shit like druids. Since there's been a few requests about adding range or area or combining shapes, perhaps one method to achieve this could be to have an ability that lets you spread or shape the various pulse shapes from or in conjunction with those control-zone abilities. Could just be shifting origin point at lower levels though.

All the "aura" type classes are always paladin party buffs or intimidate crap and the terrain control purely vancian spells; between elemental pacts and esoteric "force self on reality" pacts, terrain distortion and the like could find a comfy place here.

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>>49616808
Oh god, I read those.

The Hadoken is the only fucking thing I've ever seen, even in homebrew or 3pp that's a wide line.

Like a line that's 3 spaces wide.

I also loved Red Mage's column. That shit was great. I'm reminded of it every time I see Febreeze.

>>49616763
Magus//alchemist, Inquisitor//warpriest are disallowed. Can you not read?

>>49616854
Right, that definitely explains why I've seen you posting this shit in other threads as well. Clearly, people have been posting questions to you in those threads that you're responding to, and you DEFINITELY aren't just bootyblasted and bitching to anyone who will listen.

Fuck off.

>>49616690
heh, Dread/Antipaladin will shit all over encounters with +40 Intimidate (no saves, no immunities)

>>49616553
Far more valuable is when the GM claims you're out of range because you're in the air.

>But it's 600 feet down, you can't reach that far
>I place it OVER where they are
>That's not going to help, anon
>And it blasts down the other ten thousand feet
>what
>They're not even a thousand down anyways right?
>you can't there's a uh, it isn't, um, there's a shield you see and uh, you~
>DIE YOU SHITFACED PIECE OF NECKBEARD LARD. DIE AS YOU SEE EVERYONE YOU'VE EVER LOVED KNOW JUST HOW YOU MASTURBATE TO CHILDREN CARTOONS LITTLE GIRLS.

>>49616904

I mean....have you read that single other thread? They did ask.

>>49616588
I'm in one where half the party is PoW classes and Aegis in some combination or another.

I think we fought bandits once without realizing we were even doing anything.

>>49616926
After you bitched that you got kicked out, yes, because you're fucking fishing for responses because you can't accept the possibility that maybe, just fucking maybe, you aren't fucking entitled to join any game you want.

Like I said, fuck off.

>>49616892
not while drunk. my bad.

Still. If one zen archer/fighter or one barbarian/whatever shows up then everyone else might as well sit out once the initiative is rolled.

>>49616948

It was a valid thing to mention that harmed no one, and I think you know that but are choosing to be hostile anyway. The good news is I also don't care enough about it to be bothered to continue discussing it, so we're both in luck and can move on.

>>49616964
>someone gets not-invited to a special club
>spends a lot of time bitching and keeps bringing it up
>wonders why he wasn't invited and decides the club is stupid and no one should want to be in that club anyways

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>>49616792
>talks science too much

... does the party tune out your character too, only to be all surprised at stuff that happens even though he (or she in your case) explicitly warned and explained it all ahead of time?

Because my character knows your pain. He doesn't really empathize with it much, but he can certainly make your pain into a second datapoint corresponding closely to his own and plot it on a graph.

That's like romance right?

>>49616964
>>49616948
Why are you even still wasting yourselves on this argument.

There is no game anyways.

>>49616964
>harmed no one
Dragging someone's name through the mud because you're an entitled prick is harming no one?

Continue fucking off.

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>>49616883
It was a great comic, I miss it to this day. One of these days, I'd like to do something based on Zodiac Kendo.

>>49617020
dragging it through the mud? it's a screenshot of his exact words. You know what, whatever. It's not even worth talking about.

>>49617028
>One of these days, I'd like to do something based on Zodiac Kendo.

Path of War? Or just style feats?

>>49616982
Nah, she just lists off Science Facts™ about whatever's being talked about, because she doesn't know how to hold normal conversations. Like how beeswax has a long list of medicinal properties and can be used to painlessly seal papercuts. Surprisingly enough the party has yet to entirely tune her out, because she's usually trying to be helpful.

The game is close to dying, though. PbP games are all inevitably destined for death, but I'd like to at least re-use the character somewhere else in the future because it's fun writing her dialogue and awkward interactions.

>>49617041
The fact that you decided to bring it up at all and are arguing what he did was wrong was a deliberate attempt to make him look bad instead of just accepting the rejection with grace, you shiteating manchild.

>>49616982
y'all autisms need to read yerselves some Rikei ga Koi ni Ochita no de Shoumeishitemita

>>49617074
How now. There are lots of noble and useful things in the world that eat shit. I mean, imagine if nothing ever ate shit. It would just stick around forever. We'd literally be living on a giant ball of shit.

>>49616452
I've never read 5e, why do people hate it?

>>49617140
I looked it over, made a character, played a couple games- there's almost no choice when it comes to building a character. There are maybe 10-15 decisions you can make over the course of creating a level 10 character, and most of them will just be between two options.

>>49616755
The next character I hope to play is the gestalt consciousness of an ancient magic bastard sword forged for a vengeful queen in forgotten days. It was so closely tied to her that when she died, her soul entered the sword and possessed the next person to find it. That person even slowly turned into a clone of the queen as her personality overwrote and merged with theirs.

Eventually, the sword passed through so many hands and absorbed so many souls that she developed her own consciousness, taking on traits of all of her previous wielders. This saw her classified as a "black blade" and eventually put under lock and key.

Then some huckster somehow stole her and sold her off as a novelty item to an unsuspecting layabout who'd briefly studied magic and collected replica swords, but never really had a passion for true swordplay... or much of anything.

Her latest host has proven to, so far, assimilate most quickly, and has already in fact become a physical replica of the sword's idealized self - contradictory aspects of his personality have mostly been erased, and complementary aspects have been absorbed. Luckily, the biggest thing lost was his depression.

Now, the ancient blade "Warmaiden" lives again, and is sure to find herself on another adventure.

>>49617165
Level 1, choose which archetype you want to play for that class. levels 2-10 choose a class to level up as. Levels 1, 3, 5, 7, 9 choose a feat. That's only 15 decisions for pathfinder for a level 10 character.

Well /pfg/, I don't know if any of you know this problem but for some reason one of my newer players is obsessed with Communism. As in, every time she plays a character the character's goal is to disassemble the monarchy and establish equality among the classes. It was cute the first time she played a character who wanted nothing more than the party to at least be equal, but it's getting really annoying now. I've tried speaking to her about it and she says the ideology is just fundamentally apart of how she does things in life.

>>49617140
Realtalk? Because moving to 5e, where there's twelve classes with an average of 2.5 archetypes each, means that their last ten years of exhaustive system learning becomes useless again. They've sunk so much time into memorizing which options are traps, which are fun, what class goes where on the tier list, etc, that moving to a new game represents the loss of MONTHS, if not YEARS, of man hours, and not everyone's willing to sacrifice that.

Also, 5e's a way better balanced game, but it's simpler as a whole, with no rules for a lot of things Pathfinder's codified (this can be either good or bad, depending on your DM), and new options are coming out once a YEAR instead of once a MONTH.

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Yo, the next OP should probably leave out the Legendary Vigilantes playtest since I'm going to remove it once I wake up tomorrow.

We've had a lot of fun, it was a great playtest, and I feel like everything became a lot better because of the input I received here. Thanks a lot, and if you have anymore comments, please throw them on the doc, or just add your name to the playtester list if you want.

>>49617287
Does she wear one of those cute commie hats and spout manifesto memes?

>>49617287
Talk to the gm instead. Say it bothers you, and then formulate a plan to allow her to succeed only to watch it burn like every other time communism tries to be a thing. Let her watch her machinations crumble, the people suffer, mass migration of magic users to literally anywhere else. Whatever.

>>49617210
>Choose class
>choose archetype
>maybe choose additional archetypes because archetype stacking is a thing
>decide what weapons you'll probably specialize in if you're a physical fighter fighter (a choice that's technically available in 5e but since there are no requisites to use weapons effectively there's never any reason to use anything but the most effective statline)
>every other class level usually has additional class-based choices to make
>Technically an option in 5e as well, but with a greater range of classes and synergies, multi-classing and one-level dipping is a significantly more viable option in Pathfinder.

So I think pathfinder still has more options overall but you did get me thinking- the bigger problem is simply a lack of differentiated builds. There are fewer different things you can actually make a character do in 5e. You pick a class, and you're going to play the same as anyone else who picks that class.

>>49617384
No, but she carries a copy of the Little Red Book and will actually consult it when a challenge arises at the table.
>>49617398
I am the GM. Should I just let the Runelords rise as they attempt to bring Magnimar under the power of the Sczarni under the idea that they're a repressed minority?

>>49617406
Well of course PF has more options overall than 5e, it's been out for like... 5x as long. If you have to count "technically" to make it more even then you're failing.

>>49617413
>I am the GM.
Then what the fuck's the problem?
You tried being an adult. They said they can't change won't change despite it bothering you. Ok, this game might not be right for you.

>>49615999
I don't wanna be that guy, but could I get some help here?

Any other sources, rules and guidelines for running organizations and settlements?

>>49617406
Let's not forget that feats are an 'optional rule' removing yet another area of character customization.

PF characters can pick skill point placement (at each level instead of one and done like 5e), PF allows WAY greater freedom on magical item procurement (rather the mother may I of magic items with 5e), more options at each level in which a choice is allowed, and an overall greater ability to define their character mechanically.

Personally, there's not a reason to play a class in 5e more than once or twice, since there's no way to vary it, as opposed to even with 1p options where I could play like 10 different alchemist and have a different set of interesting mechanics with each one.

5e is roleplaying light, that's something it prides itself on, and that's not something that appeals to me.

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New to Pathfinder so I haven't read a lot. But will the system allow me to play a big red Oni with a club?

Pic somewhat related.

>>49617456
You misunderstand what I'm pointing out. I'm not saying there are more things to choose from (though there are) but that the structure of the game is such that you have more and more meaningful choices. Even disregarding everything but the core book Pathfinder still has more choices with more options each than 5e.

And even if the two games were exactly mechanically similar, but 5e just had more expansions, those expansions would STILL make pathfinder the better game. That's not a technicality, having more options is just better.

>>49617456
>If you have to count "technically" to make it more even then you're failing.
Everything in that post was listed ON TOP OF what made the two systems even, dummy.

>>49617486
Yes. Don't expect any mechanical benefits for getting plastered though.

>>49617486
If your DM is lenient, yes you can play a half-giant.

>>49617486

There is no kanabo in PF, but you could just use a regular club?

If you want to play an oni, it depends on to what extent you're willing to accept refluffing.

http://www.d20pfsrd.com/bestiary/monster-listings/outsiders/oni

Here is the entry for oni themselves. Sadly most of them have abilities that put them far beyond the purview of a PC.

However, you can take oni-blooded tiefling instead: http://www.d20pfsrd.com/races/other-races/featured-races/arg-tiefling

This will basically allow you to play what is essentially a diet oni, more in line with the power of regular player characters.

Another possibility, if your GM allows third party material, is to use the half-giant race: http://www.d20pfsrd.com/psionics-unleashed/races/half-giant

It allows you to count as one size larger for many purposes, including the wielding of weapons.

If you want to smash, I highly recommend looking into the barbarian or fighter.

Best of luck!

>>49617565
Monks and barbs get a bonus for getting drunk

>>49616755
Shota Shabti Medium (Spirit Dancer) based around masks who uses them in a spirit dance to emulate great heroes

>>49616660
>alchemist barbarians
Elaborate?
Shit sounds cash.

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>>49616577
>Warriors literally getting Unlimited Blade Works
go on.

Also, can't forget Bladed Dash is literally just anime going so fast you leave afterimages and then hitting your enemy with a combo.

>>49617518
I'm going to play the devil's advocate here, as I like both systems: If we examine just the PHB of 5e and the relevant section of PF's core book (meaning no magic items and such), PF has more options - but how many of those options are traps, and how many are 'Improved/Greater' version of whatever? 5th may have fewer options overall, but it has more options that will actually see regular use. It's also slightly better balanced - not as balanced as 4e, but at least it doesn't really fall apart until about level 15. PF has some really big balance issues right out of the gate.

They're both fine systems, but they're good for different reasons. PF takes a lot more massaging to get right.

>>49617709
Y'know that exists outside of anime, right?

>>49617714
>It had trap options that fuck over new players
>Unbalanced out of the gate
But it's fine, a good system.

Yes I'm in your general just to gawk.

>>49617759
Oh please, 95% of this general will tell you the best way to balance PF is to ban the entire core book and work off of the APG and later.

>>49617348
Thank you sir and good night!

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>>49616755
Half-elf with a serious superiority complex over other adventurers, and can probably back up most of the shit he says, which doesn't help.
He's got his bigass red scarf from his grandmother, who wears something similar to cover up a scar she got, but made it a family tradition. The end got torn off by his sister, who was jealous.
he's really not cool at all, he's kind of an asshole, I just like him

>>49617140
5e is a fluff/flavor oriented system. While the autistic fans of 3.5/PF want MECHANICS for every little things.

Want an eastern spell caster in 5e?
Be a Wizard and fluff your arcane focus as Talisman or a Fan. Want a fortune teller? Be a diviner and fluff it as tarot card.

Want the same thing in 3.5/PF? Here, read through all these 30 books to see if there is whatever you want. If there is not, you better homebrew one.

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>>49617486
>>49617593
>Oni Tiefling
aw yeah son.
I played a big red oni with a greatsword not a huge fan of clubs, got drunk and started fights all the time.
Pic very much related.
was actually an inquisitor, though, not barb.

>>49617746
I'm aware, but it's explicitly leaving a multicolored trail behind you, plus an "aha, outsmarted you" int or cha bonus.

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>>49616755
Half-Elven Rahadoumi Occultist who left the country because digging up and hoarding religious artifacts, even for purely historical reasons, is frowned upon (if not outright illegal, I'm not up on my Rahadoumi law). So now he travels the world r̶o̶b̶b̶i̶n̶g̶ ̶g̶r̶a̶v̶e̶s̶ exploring ancient ruins and gathering historical artifacts.

He'll be starting Strange Aeons soon, so he's somehow ended up in an Ustalav insane asylum with no memory of the past few years.

>>49617709
>Warriors literally getting Unlimited Blade Works
>go on.

Literally Psyarm Sulknife with that blade skill that summons a field of swords that threatens everything in an area and makes it difficult terrain.

I'm still finding a way to hit everyone in that field as if they trigger an AoO.

>>49617803
is that you Al or Traveller?

>>49617907
Who?
And no.

>>49617714
You should also mentioned that Multiclass in 5e is actually viable. That open up a lot of option.

Fighter/Wizard can actually fight in armor and melee.

Wizard/Cleric doesn't lost any of their spell slot, although they do lost their higher level spell known.

>>49617892
>that blade skill that summons a field of swords that threatens everything in an area and makes it difficult terrain.
I cannot find that or psyarm for that matter

>>49617916
Well, okay then.
We have a dude who rolled an Eldritch Archer with that exact same character portrait you posted.

He's got Crafting, Spellcraft, Diplomacy and Knowledge ranks beyond normal ranks and is an overachiever, and I quote "if you can't eloquently display an unassailable strength that makes your enemies tremble - it means you're still weak."

>>49617936
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1XZ7YUgvH7vgDqJvJs8vaQYCPV6K6wh8YAbW_ElFUHX4/edit

> Campaign start at level 10
> GM is limiting our magic item wealth by a lot (The sum of everyone starting magic item can't be higher than 14000gp)

Is there any reason I shouldn't go fullcaster..? It seem like he want everyone to be a fullcaster...

>>49617939
I don't have any of those, but I'm also an EA. That's a pretty good quote, though.
I like.
>exact same pic
I changed the colors on it, but having someone use the exact same base for their own same class (and presumably race) before me is kind of dissapointing.

>>49617953
Interesting, thanks.
>10+5 range
>1 round
not as awesome as I hoped.

>>49617978
Elf, because the dex/int racial bonus + racial spell boost works so damn well.

>>49618002
If you're a Warsoul PsyArm with Eternal Guardian, Riven Hourglass or Sleeping Goddess, that 1 round is awesome

>>49618005
Which spell boost, there's like 4 (i think)
and I was considering elf, can't really recall why I decided half.

Why that character art, by the way? I chose it since most of my characters end up with capes or scarves or requiring such, and last character I really liked had a scarf like that.

>>49618088
Overwhelming Magic. Because he really likes to make sure whatever gets hit with an intensified snowball stays slowed.

>>49618119
>Overwhelming Magic
oh, yeah. That's a good one. Shame snowball is conjuration, there's not much else spell focus will apply to with that.
>intensify
You mean rime spell?
Hit em with stagger and slow, son.

>>49618142
Meant stagger and entangle.

>>49617593
These seem like good options. Ty senpai

>>49617968
go psyarm metaforge and only need a wis hat.

>>49617470
>PF allows WAY greater freedom on magical item procurement
I find the opposite to be true. Pathfinder math assumes a pretty specific suite of items for half your slots, and most of the "good" items for the rest of the slots are solved, so most characters will have pretty similar item builds. 5e's magic items are literally just for fun, so cooler shit tends to show up, in my games at least.

>>49618319
>Literally just for fun
>You can only attune to two magic items
>One of them will be a magic weapon and the other will be something necessary like flight or defense

>>49618426
>You can attune to three major magic items
>90% of magic items don't require attunement, only ones that seriously alter encounter balance

Maybe read the rules before you shit on them?

My DM wants me to come up with a wishlist for my Inquisitor, What are some good things under ...lets say 1700 Gold to cut off haversack and such to ask for? Or more importantly, /fun/ things.

>>49617486
Check out the Stupendous Strength feat from DSP's Monster Classes: Savage Species Races. Lets you 1h a two-handed weapon.

>>49618467
A double weapon with Holy and Evil on either side.

Because trust me - Bane + Holy/Lawful will wreck a lot of shit. +4 to hit +4d6+4 to damage

>>49618541
sorry, I meant Holy/Evil

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>>49618540
The feat in question.

>>49617931
I actually had a player in 5e complain that he wants old-style wizard/cleric multiclass because he likes having a lot of spells.

I dropped that group.

Whats a good weapon for a Myrmidarch Magus?

I want to be able to melee and ranged combat without having to rely on quick draw.

>>49618706
Pick up 1 level of Spellslinger and use a musket-axe or a pistol-sword-cane.

>>49618719
alright sounds good. We Final Fantasy now.

>>49618729
It was sort of a joke...

But it does work. Especially ridiculous once you get named bullet/disintegrate combo going.

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>>49618729
>We Final Fantasy now
which reminds me. . .

Any anons watched that Kingsglaive movie?
Their Glaives were pretty neat. How'd you stat one?

>>49617470
> implying moon druid and land druid play similarly
> implying battlemaster and EK play similarly
> implying each LORE BARD play the similarly

>>49618813
> implying battlemaster and EK play similarly

Yes. The only difference is that one does shield off turn for better defense, the other dumps damage dice for burts for better offense.

Otherwise, they play effectively the same. Both of them are going to attack every turn, because no other action they have is worth it.

Land druid may as well not exist.
Lore Bard is like a wizard who exchanged school for some debuffs and poached spells.

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>>49618874
Not the guy before you, but doesn't PF just boil down to the same thing?

>>49618904
For (crb mostly, non twinked) fighters? Sure. But nobody should play fighters.

For everybody else? When classes like Alchemist, Inquisitor, Bard, Magus, Hunter (just to name the most obvious/straightforward ones, but there are also terrific Slayer/Barbarian/Bloodrager/Paladin/etc.) exist, you got a huge amount of choice about how you want to play the game and what you can do turn to turn. Few games do that part better (and everybody seems to hate one 4e for it).

>>49614904
Two of my three gms banned PoW but love Psionics and tier 1 classes.

I want to play a succubus (attack helicopter). My plan is to play a sorcerer to leverage off the big Cha score.

Which bloodlines are best for sticking extra damage onto spells? I know Orc, the elemental and dragon bloodlines all add to damage, but what else is there?

>>49618874
> What is a Chessmaster Battle master
> What is a Haste Crossbow Expert EK
> What is a Bard with Find Steed + Minute Meteor
> What is a Bard with Animate Dead + Aura of Vitality

>>49618874
By your logic, There is only Diviner Wizard in Pathfinder. Because no class and action worth it.

>>49619061
> What is a Chessmaster Battle master
Nonexistent
> What is a Haste Crossbow Expert EK
A waste. Also not a thing until like 15.

> What is a Bard with Find Steed + Minute Meteor
Rules abuse?
> What is a Bard with Animate Dead + Aura of Vitality
I'm not sure what I'm supposed to see here. It sounds like a strictly worse necromancer.

>>49619078
There's a difference between one class being massively overpowered and a class having exactly one worthwhile option in combat.

>>49619061
>What are one trick ponies

>>49619108
>What is projection

>>49619118
>what is 5e

>>49618932
You know the same logic apply to your example. All of the choice for those classes boil down to full attack.

Alchemist:
FULL ATTACK (only choice you make is whether to do it with bomb or natural attack)

Magus:
FULL ATTACK

Inquisitor:
FULL ATTACK

Hunter:
FULL ATTACK

Bard:
FULL ATTACK