MTG Standard General

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What's everyone brewing/playing?

>>49600714
I posted it in last thread, but temurge updated to kaladesh

>Filigree Familiar
>Combustible Gearhulk
>Harnessed Lightning
>Attune w/ Aether

Got that good ceremonious rejection playset on tap in my sideboard too

Pretty okay set.

>>49600714
Jeskai Artifacts/Equipment that I plan on taking to gameday, just waiting for my smug copters to come in the mail. Also pulled a chandra from a bundle I bought for lulz, which will just sit in the box since I dont know what to do with her

>>49600714
I fell for the memes sempai
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/vigliant-abzan/

Is there any way to salvage this or do I sell it off for 35 cent on the dollar and wait 3 months for another shot?

>>49600714
RG energy aggro and some weird UG energy build. Dunno what the goal is but it runs a few hanweir garrisons for aggressive pushes and then has a lot of mana fixing for the red and blue, thinking of splashing black for live fast.

>>49601005
>Garrison
I meant battlements

>>49600661
I need to pick up the rest of my aether hubs. Feel like it's the best uncommon in the set

Hey guys i am poor but want to play magic what do i do???

>>49601152
1. Play drafts or sealed constructed (varies in price, but drafts are around $10 per person and sealed constructed is about $20)
1.5. GO TO PRERELEASES! VERY HIGH VALUE EVENTS!
2. Use Xmage or Cockatrice for free online MTG play
3. Play Standard with cheap tiered decks (some of the good decks are only like 100 bucks)
4. Don't get into older formats unless you've amassed a large sum of money

Running an Eldritch Evolution deck that plays sort of like Birthing Pod. There's finally enough really good ETB triggers and value creatures to run a toolbox sort of thing. Demon of Dark Schemes and the G/B Gearhulks are really good.

Overall, it's lit.

> Playing Jeskai control
> Testing Esper control

Feels good man

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Two questions, I guess

One, it kind of feels like the most sensible deck to play is probably whichever is the best Greenhulk deck is, right? Am I crazy for thinking that? Card is insane.

Second, what do you all think is the best Greenhulk deck?

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Brazen Scourge or Geier Reach Bandit for RG aggro? Bandit is 2R compared to Scourge's 1RR. Scourge has 3 toughness compared to Bandit's 2 toughness. The deck runs Kessig Prowler so it can technically run some synergy there if there's some fucking chance my opponent has a stroke mid game and passes turn without playing spells turn 3 that allows me to flip bandit and start swinging harder and flipping prowler on etb.

Or should I scrap both and shove Fleetwheel cruisers into the deck?

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>>49600714
Mono red. I really just want to turn bomat couriers, scourge wolfs and lathnu hellions sideways while getting gas back with collective defiance.

I'm not running Chandra, Sculptor of Defiance, as it's expensive both mana wise and money wise. I do, however, want to get all of my cards before the Grand Prix, as I think the most expensive card in the deck is collective defiance or falkenrath gorger.

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>>49600661
So now that painlands are gone is there any chance of a triskaidekaphobia deck would work. I honestly don't pay attention to standard but jank calls to me.

>>49601177
>3. Play Standard with cheap tiered decks (some of the good decks are only like 100 bucks)
you can actually get a decent deck for way way way cheaper with the way this block is looking

>>49601531
If any life gain decks start running lose with aetherflux and feldiar sovereigns running around, ttee will be hilarious.

>>49600714
It's not exactly a brew anymore, but I'm playing UR Thermochaser.

I think it's superior to Thing in the Ice, especially since Titi's value is diminished as it doesn't bounce vehicles.

I might have to start running Tears of Valakut to adequately deal with fliers, but it shouldn't be too much of a problem I think

>>49601242
GW aggro.
God I hate that deck and color combination so fucking much.

>>49601937
>surprised that the colors with the most efficient creatures are the best in creatures: the tappening

I want off this fucking ride

>>49601177


100 sounds good to me. dooable

>>49601952
I'm not surprised, but that doesn't mean I can't be mad about it.

>>49601955
Keep up with MTG Goldfish's Budget Magic series. The decks generally perform well, are at least Tier 2 and can easily be upgraded into Tier 1.5.

>>49601733
>aetherflux
I don't think there will be a problem here.

>>49601531
I know it's not the good thread but I made a Modern BW Triskaidekaphobia and it works pretty well
Aerial Responder and Aetherflux Reservoir will find a place in it
God, I love Kaladesh so much

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So I'm playing GW sacrifice, what would you nigs recommend for post-rotation besides the obvious addition of Cataclysmic Gearhulks to replace Tragic Arrogance?

Would a 1-of Aetherworks Marvel be worth it?

>>49601952
GW has been absolute cancer since Tarkir and Wizards is still pushing it

Just make it stop

Any possible staples coming out of KLD?

Fillagree, Smugglers?

>>49601026
It is honestly the best card in the whole set.

>>49601026
The uncommons in this set are brutal.

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I know it's a pauper deck but it's a standard too.
I never played blue before so I don't really know cards and aspiring aeronaut rotated out of standard.
I tought about spamming with artifacts and bomb with gearseeker but it seems to be a bad strategy. Should I change blue for a color that has a better synergy with white artifacts?

>>49600714
played white eldrazi/big white on friday and went undefeated, so I will probably just keep playing that till the protour. Currently I am brewing RG energy aggro just so I have another deck, maybe I'll throw together that shitty storm deck too just to fuck with some people.

>>49604713

Aspiring Aeronaut is out of standard m8

>>49604747
You didn't read the post, did you?

>>49604516
My peasant cube is going up in power level constantly, wizards is really pushing some of those uncommons lately. Not that I can complain though

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>>49604713
>skygate over camel
>ever
Skygate is sideboard only.

>>49601247
Vehicles are ironically too slow. Greier reach bandit wins simply because it's much easier to cast, a 1RR can be a dead 3 drop very easily.

Also I hope you're running Lathnu hellions because as far as 3 drops go it's better than both of the above.

>>49605025

There's a lot of two-power 2-Drops in the format that scourge gets to walk all over though.

>>49604949
I tought that 4 more artifacts would be more useful if playing for gearseeker

>>49603473
stitcher's graft?

Memedredge seems fun as shit to play

>>49604713

>pauper deck
>implying blue isn't the best pauper color
>no blue value cards
>no good artifacts

Trash.

>It's another "Jeff Hoogland proves how severely autistic he is" episode

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Should I build BW control or Delerium?
One one side I got 2 Gideons, 2 Sorins, 3 Kambals and the angels from EMN, but on the other I got Liliana, 2 Ishkanahs and 2 World Breakers.

>>49605615
Both get annihilated by UR fevered visions so if you have a lot of that in your metagame I wouldn't

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I don't know if I should be running Hissing Quagmire.

I'm running a G/B sacrifice/midrange with 24 lands and a bit of ramp. It's obviously good as a mana sink, but I'm worried it might be too slow. It's no Needle Spires, after all.

Thoughts?

>>49605593
he's annoying but he's good at deckbuilding

>>49600661
so, I decided to partake in a booster draft for Kaladesh. What am I in for? I've never drafted.

>>49605665
your deck is midrange, you can afford tapped lands and it fixes your mana. Activating it is just upside for very little opportunity cost. If it fixes your mana and you don't activate it a single time in a game it was still worth it. Every activation is just added bonus.

>>49605665
I would. Manlands are really, really good. It helps you if you're mana-flooded and makes it more difficult for your opponent to figure out their attacks. Of course it fixes your mana a little too. Coming in tapped is worth it for a midrange deck I think.

>>49605665
>it's no needle spires

You're running a slow, midrange deck. You don't need your manlands to hit hard, you need your manlands to fix your mana and save you from stronger creatures.

I mean, the quagmire has fucking deathtouch. It's going to trade with a fattie.

>>49601242
Should take this guy into modern with heartless summoning

>>49605625
Then what should I do with all those Planeswalkers and BR/RG/GB lands?

>>49605772
Fuck, forgot I also had Nissa, Arlinn and Addvocate

Why is there no talk about Hour of Devastation?

>>49605586
So which blue cards and artifacts are not a trash?

Jeff "disgusting deck" Hoogland

>>49600818
I feel like emerge with rashmi is really goofy

This fucking game I swear to god

>>49606084
If baugh didn't draw every single land in his deck this game would be over

>>49605919
ponder

>>49606142
And how in your opinion ponder is standard legal?

>>49606229
How can you possibly not follow the conversation? The last post you replied to literally said "pauper" in it twice

>>49605919

Off the top of my head:

blue:

delver
counterspell
drake
probe
preordain
semen visions
hydroblast
vapor snag

artifacts:

frog
enfoncer
memnite
star
drum

>>49606243
Because this post >>49604713 is about standard pauper - not just pauper

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anyone got a good idea for a Red/White delirium angel vorthos deck?

been working on one for a while now

>>49606276

>standard pauper
>bad cards only: the format

That sounds beyond shit.

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>>49606340
>Hey I will reply to a post without reading it
>Shiet what is he even asking me about
>Shiet he know I didn't read
>Uh oh damage control - it's a shit /conversation

You are a useful man, Anon

Why doesn't he sac the clue, make tracker unable to block and hit for lethal

>>49606644
He wanted to meld

>>49606374

if you say pauper then everyone thinks pauper. It's the first time I hear about abomination called "standard pauper".

Was going to build Grixis control, but I don't know if I should. Already bought a ton of UR cards and never played them before rotation. I could probably finish my Grixis deck for $80 (2x Kalitas, 2x Torrential Gearhulk, 1x Saheeli Rai, and a dozen cheap rares). Not sure what my local meta is like, as I have played standard since Khans rotated.

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>>49601247
My build has Village Messengers aswell as Kessig Prowlers as 1-drops. I feel Geier Reach Bandit is justified since it makes the 1-drops worse top decks later if it has flipped. Most removal spells hit for 3 so I don't feel like the Scourge is that much better.

>>49607065
>I'm running 4x kozileks return

Man I hope weenies make a comeback so I can make aggro players cry

>>49605973
It is, there's no guaranteed way to make sure you draw right as there isnt any good scrying or filtering techniques in temurge.

>Wizards prints literally the best control cards they're willing ot shit out in modern days
>Control is still unplayable
>Tappening decks are stiller T0
???

>>49607458
It's the first fucking weekend of standard anon

Not that anything will change, fucking Verdurous Gearhulk

>>49607500
Wizards went too far in on green.
>Tireless tracker for card advantage and big dumb creature at the same time
>Sylvan advocate for a 4/5 for fucking 2 late game ( and this is midrange: the format )
>Gearhulk, 8/8 trampler for fucking 5

I'm a timmy player so I love turning fat dumb creatures sideways but I hate it as it is right now because it's all in one color

>>49607601
They want new players to play standard and new players like green, it's not that hard to understand

>>49607601
I actually think memerange will get significantly worse as this standard progresses. Most green dudes and walkers decks are missing the necessary disruption, once people actually figure out good combo decks. Hopefully.

>>49607772
>missing the necessary disruption
>a literal +2/+2 hexproof instant for G was printed

>>49607791
How does a combat trick disrupt a combo deck?

Jesus fucking christ how is this deck only 10-3

>>49607601

you forgot the lumberjack.

>>49607065
Yeah I am debating whether or not to run the messengers. I'm running a set of attune with aether right now for mana fixing as well as servants of the conduit for fixing and energy production to keep my brawlers constantly hitting for 4 and for pumping cubs and keeping hellions around. Messenger would probably speed the deck up a bit though.

>fucking Aetherworks with Glassblowers Puzzelknot
>scry 2 before you pick 1 of 6 cards to CAST
>4 turn monster eldrazi

>>49607901
It either works or doesn't. Even in the top 8 cards you might not get what you want, and once that one trick is foiled you're fucked. It's a one trick pony, but that one trick is fucking insane.

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>>49607941

Doesn't feel very impressive desu

>>49607941
>>49607982
Thinking he was talking about grim flayer

Fucking roulette deck

>>49607967
As seen just now.

>>49607901
>>49607967
I got an Aetherworks Marvel in prerelease. Everyone said it wouldn't be viable. Guess they were right

>>49607982
>>49607992

Maybe I should just call him by "mythic lumberjack" to avoid confusion.

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>>49608180

????

>>49608200

At least this one isn't standard legal.

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>>49608177
Don't count it out just yet, that deck got 10 wins and it's terribly unoptimized.

Don't you remember the last card that let you cast shit from the top 6 cards of your deck? The one that wasn't supposed to be viable?

>>49600714
Bought into RW Vehicles yesterday since I'm too broke to buy cards after they go up

They're not topping now, I'm worried that I bought into the wrong deck again.

>>49608180
I call grim flayer "axeman", garruk is just garruk

>>49601955
You can play legacy manaless dregde for 150$ and you will never have to spend money again, don't fall for the standard meme.

>>49608357

Manaless dredge is noncompetitive and boring as tar to play.

>>49608357
wut how

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>>49600714
Trying to make affinity a thing in standard

>>49608357

For one thing, it's more around $260. For another, it effortlessly gets fucked after sideboarding from any kind of graveyard hate. Don't fall for the manaless dredge meme.

>>49608357
You can build manaless for around 80€, the only expensive things are the bridges and the grave-trolls.

>>49608357
You can build manaless for around 80€, the only expensive things are the bridges and the grave-trolls.

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It might be a stupid question but I have to ask - are CN2, EMA or pic related cards legal in standard?

I can't find any information on gatherer about their legality but in this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B75qwKTmVm0 you can find information about duel deck's cards being legal until May 2017

>>49610044
No.

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>>49610115
So why the fuck would he say that?

>>49610141
He meant the PLANESWALKERS are legal till 2017. Nissa and Ob were printed in BFZ block.

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>>49610166
Shiet, so it is the best time to kill myself

>>49610255
Don't do it just yet, you can always buy into modern :^)

How many creatures is a midrange/aggro deck supposed to run? Can I get away with 20?

I only sorta know what Midrange means.

>>49600714
G/R Pure wearwolfs

>>49601242
If it drops and I destroy it in response to its ability triggering, the ability resolves before I can get rid of it completely, right?

>>49610466
Yes. Once it has entered the battlefield, its ability triggers and you can do nothing to stop that outside of very few niche methods.

So those counters will inevitably go on to another creature.

There's an upside though.

There's almost no instant removal in this format so you wouldn't get the chance to do that in the first place.

>>49610466
>>49610542
You can, of course, destroy all of its targets in response

RAKDOS AGE MOTHERFUCKERS

>>49610542
>>49610554
The obvious alternative I was thinking was waiting for them to drop an 8/8 trampler, and THEN blow it up.

All these ideas for decks coming up
>The DMV
>Trainz Simulator
>Podracing
>I'm on a Boat

>>49610809
That's one idea for one deck, anon.

>>49610890
Not really
>Podracing runs all car vehicles, alternatively Cars.dek
>I'm on a Boat runs fatties with Skysovereign
>Trainz Simulator runs trains only
>The DMV runs vehicles with black creatures to crew.

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>>49605615
>>49605805
>>49605772

Bump

>>49610986
Delirium is gay and nearly optimized. Play BW control so you can get creative with your build.

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Get it while it's still cheap, scrubs.

>>49611071
>bunch of removal
>bunch of disruption
>several board wipes
>creative

>>49604778
>I know it's a pauper deck but it's a standard too.

Did you read the post?

>I know it's a pauper deck but it's a standard too.

It isn't a standard deck "too."

Reminder that even though Smuggler's Copter will be more pervasive in top 8s than any other card in a LONG time, it will never be banned because it's just a dumb value creature.

>>49611461
I enjoy that it gets shut the fuck down by Harnessed Lightning.

https://deckstats.net/decks/34990/579342-gruul-energy/

My deck list, any ideas?

>>49611461
Reminder that CVM is a huge faggot and doesn't deserve to win

Oh wow, Zach Voss ACTUALLY punting a game in the finals.

>WR Vehicles winning an open

B-but muh unplayable vehicles are a limited-only mechanic!

>>49611738
I can't wait, totally playing this.

>>49611738
Don't worry anon, the real decks will show up in two weeks

>>49611813
>

such as?

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Okay, made a first-draft of the BW-control from the cards I had lying around.

>Spells
4x Transgress the Mind
3x Grasp of Darkness
2x Declaration in Stone
2x Succumb to Tempation
2x Flaying Tendrils
Anguished Unmaking
Ruinous Path
2x Planar Outburst

>10 Creatures
4x Wasteland Strangler
2x Thalia, Heretic Cathar
2x Gisela, The Broken Blade
Distended mindbender
Bruna, the Fading Light

>5 Planeswalkers
Liliana
2x Sorin, Grim Nemesis
2x Gideon

>2 Others
Skysovereign
Stasis Snare

>Maybe?
Kambal, Consul of Allocation
Collective Brutality
Whispers of Emrakul
Remorseless Punishment

Would you say Eldrazi Displacer is usable now or are the too many ETB-effects nowadays?

Did chandra or nissa make the top 8? Did any planeswalkers other than gideon make top 8?

>>49611857
Tested UW control decks, Vehicle midrange, Goodstuff, etc.

Expect Saheeli and Dovin to show up more.

>>49611901
>Saheeli
Eh, maybe. 3 CMC is a good argument for running any walker.

>Dovin
Hah, no. Bad Jace AoT is not gonna see play in a standard with smuggler's copter.

>>49611857
>"Don't worry, the decks no one knows exist will show up soon."
>"OH YEAH LIKE WHAT DECKS?"

>>49611901
Nice, whatchya got going on in the vehicle midrange? I'm digging vehicles.

>>49611897

Gidgudeon only.

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>>49612003
I liked the Ship

The Cruiser is pretty fast and beefy

Barrage was alright

Copter is almost a must have

Trains and everything else are untested

I guess the only issue is that you can't have too many vehicles or else you won't have any pilots

Unless you want to pilot the vehicles with other vehicles...

>>49610044
Conspiracy and Modern / Eternal Masters are reprint sets, so the cards in them aren't legal unless they've already been printed in that format. In your duel deck for example, Nissa, Voice of Zendikar is standard legal because she was printed in OGW. Crop Rotation hasn't been printed since Urza's Legacy, so it's not legal in standard or modern.

>>49611947
Doesn't he negate smuggler's copter with his +…?

>>49612117
Dovin only targets creatures, although you can target the creatures that will be used to crew

>>49612117
Vehicles are only creatures for the turn they're crewed, difficult to effectively negate them with planeswalker control

>>49612137
>>49612131
My bad, thought it said creature or artifact

>>49612117
Fun fact, Copter triggers on attacking or blocking.

So even if you could knock three power off, they are still looting.

What has this game come to when looting is considered a powerful ability.

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>>49611894
Bump

>>49612402
it loots when it attacks or blocks as a 3/3 flier for 2 colorless mana in a meta rampant with powerful madness cards and if you don't know why thats a powerful standard card find a new general to shitpost in

>>49611511
I enjoy that its always worth crewing even if it gets shut down by instant speed removal because the creature(s) that crew arent being hit by removal

>>49600714
I'm running a list similar to this http://sales.starcitygames.com//deckdatabase/displaydeck.php?DeckID=108080

>>49610363
I'd say 20 if you are going 20 creatures 14-16 spells 24-26 lands Is reasonable. Midrange doesn't NEED to have a set amount of creatures.

>>49609071
>>49600714
I went RW Robots, MUCH lower to the ground. My curve peaks at 3 Fleetwheel cruiser. I think my average CMC is less than 2, and that's mainly because of the bone saws pulling the curve down.

>>49600661
>32 Smuggler's Copter in the top 8
Well, what is the chance that Looter Scooter gets banned in standard for being a 4 of in every non-control list? I mean, it isn't oppressive, but it's the most represented card in that tournament at the top.

>>49612860
Control decks wont be running chopper

>>49612876
>In every non control list
READ, NIGGA

>>49612896
well just wait for the control decks to come out

you know damn well it wont be banned

>>49612860
>Banning a value creature that goes in both aggro and midrange decks
>2016

How well does Kaladesh synergize with the concept of clue decks?

I feel like a Bant clue deck and Metalwork Colossus could have some fun together.

>>49613117
Clues don't reduce the cost of Metalwork Colossus so I would say there is no synergy

>>49613109
It's the over representation, not the value

>>49613221
Wizards won't ban a card that isn't blatantly oppressive.

>>49613242
They don't even ban cards that are blatantly oppressive in standard, just look at Collected Company

>>49612876
There wont be control decks, dead archrtype.

So auras fall off vehicles once they cycle back to artifact state, I assume this is the same for old school enchant creature spells?

What about cards like Ensoul Artifact?

>Bought smugglers copters for $9 each yesterday
>They went up to $15
>Seller hasn't shipped yet

I hope this faggot doesn't cancel the order.

Should I buy a Kaladesh box if I want to brew standard/kitchen table and gamble at the same time?

>>49613399
>Cast Fleetwheel Cruiser
>Enchant the cruiser with Ensoul Artifact
>Both cards burst into flame on the table

>>49613399
>>49613469

It'd just remain a 5/5 artifact, that's all

Crew is a pretty specific ability

>>49613498
Sure, after it comes out and its ability resolves, but what has priority, the drop ability or the enchantment before that happens?

>>49613267
collected company only became blatantly oppressive in the last cycle before it rotated out. GWB was still strong at that point though and continues to look to be very strong going forward

>>49613455
its cheaper to just build wahtever jank you want without buying the box but as long as you enjoy opening packs and dont expect to get value out of the box then go for it familia. I opened one myself just to pad my trade binder

>>49603936
>GW has been absolute cancer since Tarkir
Fleecemane. Voice of resurgence.

>>49611461
>Smuggler's Copter will be more pervasive in top 8s than any other card in a LONG time
I have yet to see a top 8 deck that does not include that one full-art basic forest where the trees look like black bars on a green background.

>>49607601
You also forgot the mythic green uncommon that lets you impulse for creatures whenever you feel like it

Green has completely eclipsed blue in terms of card advantage. I can't even think of a playable blue card draw spell in standard currently.

>>49603936
Gx is the go-to deck for employed people

Literally no reason to run it if you are employed/topping constantly

>>49613631
>I can't even think of a playable blue card draw spell in standard currently.
The scry 2 gain energy draw 2 for 4 is not bad

>>49601242
Why does this exist? It's literally the design of a boring uncommon but it's powerlevel set to 11 and released as a mythic to make $$$$

I thought Wizards said they wouldn't do that

>>49607601
>3CMC raptor with deathtouch that comes back if you flip another creature
>3CMC creature that is an e.witness when flipped, synergies with raptor
>4CMC Instant that can cheat in two creatures

All of this just in one set, not even a block

Green gets to have its cake and eat it too

>>49611894
I think wasteland strangler is overrated. Definitely board in kambal against spell heavy decks

>>49613117
Tireless Tracker and Syndicate Trafficker are bros for life

>>49613694
>blue can't get good counterspells or draw spells. Both integral to the color
>red can't get face burn or hasty creatures. Both integral to the color
>green is allowed to have the best creatures in the format but also have best card advantage, and aggressive creatures and actually relevant spells but can also be controlling too.
>black is allowed to have removal so it can be played with green creatures. They are a stepping stool to greens epicness.
>white is allowed to have some okay creatures and spells and as long as it's completely shackled to green

Where did Magic go wrong?

>>49613568
>RtR and Theros happened before Tarkir

>>49613855
Yes?

>>49613774

Shouldn't you be bitching in the modern thread about how blue isn't the best color and should be able to not allow opponents to play magic?

>>49611550
why

>>49612402
Looting has always been powerful. Merfolk Looter its self was in tons of decks and getting it off of anything as a side effect is pure upside. Repeated card selection is really fucking good, be it Scry, Looting or Rummaging (discard first, then draw).

Vehicle stacking is a thing that should not exist.

>>49601531
Super late reply, I know, but the painlands being gone is actually one of the best things that could have happened to a triskaidekaphobia deck. The biggest barrier to the deck is that often the opponent would have a painland, and then you could literally never win. Losing access to your own painlands is a small price to pay for locking your opponent out of painlands. Plus Command rotated, which means vastly less incidental enchantment hate.

>>49614037
>Not wanting a Power Rangers deck

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Rate my shitty planeswalker, now with more words. With artifacts in the spotlight again I'm hoping that Esper might get some love in the near future.

>>49600818
i'm on this as well. seed guardian is a respectable 4-drop in this list with the prevalence of copter.
>t1 dryad
>t2 druid
>t3 evolution, sac druid, trigger ramp, get seed guardian

now you're ahead on lands, have ground and air coverage and can start jamming filigree familiars and emerge dudes until you have enough to traverse for pig or emrakul and end the game.

>>49615010
Cringe

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Zendikar's rotation outward will improve Standard immeasurably.

>>49615295
Pretty much. I'm using kaladesh as my jumping back on point for standard after playing almost nothing but draft since December. Thinking of just selling all my oath/bfz shit now instead of playing with it until the value tanks

>>49615295
>no grasp of darkness
>no gideon
>no stasis snare
>no ruinous path
>no planar outburst
>improve

>RB madness.dec
>4x Midnight Oil
am i full retard?

>>49615482
>no sylvan advocate
i cannot describe in words how much i despise this card. it is the most vile thing i have ever seen.

>>49615482
Planar outburst rotating means nothing with fumigate around.
No grasp kind of suck for black
Gideon is whatever. Does he see play outside of standard?
Stasis snare is a shitty prison card. Just give us oblivion ring back or better costing white removal.
Ruinous path sucks too. Hero's downfall was better.

>>49615295
I thought Tarkir was rotating now and we're stuck with Zen 'till next year? Or are you thinking ahead of the rotation right now.

>>49614091
Do you have a copy of the decklist, I'm just getting into standard and honestly I can't brew for shit.

>>49607065
>I feel Geier Reach Bandit is justified since it makes the 1-drops worse top decks later if it has flipped.

Why would you want worse top decks?

>>49615578
thinking ahead. When you look at the current sets we are playing with, BFZ block is the weakest link with some really dumb cards. Sylvan Advocate is gonna stick around as the most used 2 drop in decks using green just smashing face and deflecting hits by twerking his giant vigilant booty.

>>49615559
>Does he see play outside of standard?
modern and legacy in death & taxes sideboard

>>49615010
it's 0 it's worse than Dovin Baan's +1

>>49615636
think he means better, not worse. in anon's fairyland he has a viildin pack alpha out and his kessigs enter as 4/4 creatures. he probably runs ulrich too

>>49615559
>no man lands
>no hedron archive
>no sanctum of gin
>no battle lands
>no catacomb sifter
>no ulamog
>no zulaport
>no radiant flames
>no painful truths
>no chandra
>no nissa
>no kalitas
>no oath of nissa
>no eldrazi displacer
>no goblin dark dwellers
>no kozileks return
>no world breakers
>no though knot
>no reality smasher
>no matter reshaper
>no reflector mage

yes bfz/ogw was so bad /s

>>49615681
it still doesn't make is a great top deck, if the werewolf flips on ETB it doesn't have haste anymore

>>49615770
filthy golgari player

>>49615637
desu i'm most glad to see reflector mage piss off

>>49613617
The John Avon forest?
http://johnavonart.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/1bb2cc093fde63bdc450bb6bdd1d7134/1/0/1000_Unhinged-Forest.jpg

>Smuggler's Coptor is $15
Wow. I understand its a good card, because it can be crewed by Servo's but holy shit.

Again new starting starting up with Hyper Agressive 1-2 color creature good stuff decks.

You have to be fucking stupid to not realize that this always happens on every single new standard, the actual real decks will show up in 2 weeks when the control and combo decks find which key cards can stop up the aggro meta.

>>49616142
It ccan be crewed by gideon tokens

>>49616142
this card is gonna drop hard

people are going to start main boarding artifact hate

>>49616738

The only decent artifact hate miss either Cruiser, the Flagship, or both, unless you're really wanting to use Demolish.

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>>49616799

So, uh, the last time I played standard was Apocalypse. Or whatever it was called back then. Any tips for making a deck?

>>49616862
Before people start greentexting at you, this thing is wonderful.

>>49616862

I said decent, not 3 mana for hitting a single artifact.

>>49605025
Hellions and brawlers are my bread and butter for the deck. Bandits or scourges are just to act as a hasty three drop if I don't get hellions.

Also running bushwhackers but yeah i want to lean towards bandit because of the casting cost

>>49615559

>Gideon is whatever. Does he see play outside of standard?

I have no idea, but how is that fucking relevant to a post that literally says 'standard is better with him in it' that was a reply to 'thank god [the set that Gideon is in] is rotating out of standard'.

Seriously, what the fuck.

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>>49616799

>>49617379

What exactly is your point here?

>>49617379
I'm worried about this, actually. With the popularity of WR Vehicles, I think that WR Vehicles are just going to sideboard Fragmentize against eachother for smuggler's copters...so there will be too many mirror matches because no other deck has such an EASY way to deal with it

>>49617379

Yes, that was one of two cards I alluded to, which doesn't hit Flagship like I said.

>Trade Green gear hulk for a play set of prized amalgams and another thing
>Play a draft
>Open another green gear hulk from the prize pool
Ayye lmao.

>>49616908
Play good creatures.

>>49616908
Standard right now is really green dominated. If you like playing aggro, GW is for you.
If you like sorta burn, sorta tempo, there is UR thermo visions which basically is just a tempo deck using Thermo Alchemist and Fevered Visions as the usual win condition, + a bunch of spells.
If you want control, there is a decent WB angels I think.

I have mimics, matter reshapers, thought-knots, reality smashers, and displacers.

What kind of deck can I make? If it can run in modern, there has to be some kind of shell that can handle it in standard

>>49617569

>half of the top8 is W/R
>Standard right now is really green dominated.

???

>>49618226

The G/R decks are coming, just you wait!

>>49618150

Unplayable in standard - the reason is simple: no sol lands

I bought a Kaladesh Bundle
>inb4 Why do you buy sealed products, you retarded Timmy ?
In this bundle, beside the Saheeli Rai I already have a use for, I opened a Noxious Gearhulk and a Combustible Gearhulk
Is there any use for them ?

Anybody have the decklist of the SCG event of this weekend ?

>>49618150

Just pick whatever color you want and just roll with it. Green if you want to go bigger and white for removal seems like it'd be good.

>>49618264
Well, that and no nobles. Or any kind of decent mana dorks whatsoever

>>49618302

>Noxious Gearhulk

That's the only good card you have opened. If you want to run it you will probably need grim flayers and sylvan advocates.

>>49618357
My Smuggler's Copter would like to have a word with you

>Grim Flayer
>Sylvan Advocate
Well, I'll use it as exchange fodder then

>>49618306
What if I chose blue and white and added skyspawners?

Then I could throw in blue control and white removal with decent board presence. I would just be stretching my landbase thin.

>>49618413

I guess that works. Skyspawners seem really good with copters, so I'd work on getting them as well, and there actually is a solid drawspell in the format now. It even has some interaction with Aether Hub, which might be the best land in your deck.

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Am I the only one going with the Standard Storm meme?
The UB version with contraband kingpin is really fun to play

>>49618514
Like, you can't cast enough spells in one turn to make use of that thing. 2 mana draw spell into 2 mana draw spell doesn't get you very far. If you had a lot of cheap instants I could understand it because you can cast them all in response to the Reservoir triggers to gain extra health, but Standard doesn't have good cheap instant speed draw.

>>49618551
Well it's a combo deck so you need to have the cards in hand at once, but the scry and the 2 mana artifact-draw gets you there pretty fast

>>49618626
>Well it's a combo deck
How do you plan on casting like 8-9 things in one turn in Standard? You may as well just play a faster deck.

>>49615681
>>49615779
Meant better. The 2/2 menace has better chance of getting through late than a 1/1 haste. Geir Reach Bandit flipping is unlikely but it's still easier to cast than the Brazen Scourge. Here's my list:
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/29-09-16-dKV-rg-aggro/

>>49618806
0-cost artifacts such as bonesaw an nignog's shield

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>>49618626
>>49618834
Yes, then you get them back with paradoxical outcome and play them again.
You only really need 3 of them and 1 outcome so i's a 4 card combo with the reservoir on the field.

>>49618848
As SCG showed, though, Lost Legacy thoroughly cripples that deck

>>49618910
Probably yes, but I'm sure you can work something around it if you know they're gonna sideboard it

What do you guys think of that 20 dollar deck tcc made?

>>49615542
I feel you brother. It's a fucking painful card to encounter.

>>49618826

Do you have a reason for not playing the Looter Scooter other than the pricetag?

>>49618949

>tfw bought it 1$ ea at prerelease
>missed on grim flayer
>tfw can't play sweet sweet rock value decks because of an axeguy.

>>49618968
Pricetag, I'm trying to keep the list cheap. Would probably run Arlinn Kord on the sideboard if I didn't have budget constraints.

Planning to play with friends that only play standard and maybe go to fnm.

>>49618910
Just sideboard lost legacy yourself and target theirs first.

>>49618999

I feel you, wish I had preordered it. At the same time though, it does feel a bit anti-synergistic with the 3-drop haste guys.

This Standard is really weird compared to previous standards: midrange literally doesn't exist.
Why? Well, here's the thing. Aggro decks know they have to get home by turn 5, and many of them are packing vehicles like Smuggler's Copter. Midrange doesn't have a card like Siege Rhino to counter these strategies right now. Longer-term decks like Delirium also kill Midrange, as landing an Emrakul typically just ends the game.
What's left? Hard aggro decks, Emrakul decks (Aetherworks Marvel is definitely a thing, Delirium still exists) that win long games, and probably some form of Eldrazi decks. There may also be some Planeswalker control or Crush decks left, but I don't think they're particularly well-positioned.
What does that have to do with this? Well, to start, I've tested and already cut Cataclysmic Gearhulk. It's too slow and too limited to affect go-wide decks and it's a really bad finisher at 4/5 with no evasion/protection. It's not a playable card. Skywhaler's Shot misses too many of the most relevant cards right now - it may be good after Emrakul is gone, but for now, I'd much prefer playing things like Dec in Stone and Blessed Alliance. Angel of Invention probably shouldn't even be rated - it's just bad as a constructed 5 drop. I don't even think Avacyn is playable in this format.
Basically, this format is "Core Set Limited, the Constructed format". You're either playing aggro or you're playing "who can stick their bomb first". And the bombs are Emrakul, maybe some of the other Eldrazi, and maybe Brisela.

>>49619180

The question is how low to the ground you want to go as aggro though. The most aggressive variants don't run the ship, for example, but it's a really strong card in the mirror. So if there's enough aggro you might see a shift to slower variants that eventually end up as midrange. Also, Delirium is totally a midrange deck.

>>49615615
Sorry, mate. I was working on a Trail of Evidence brew at the time. A few friends tried brewing triskaidekaphobia when it first came out, though and they said painlands existing just completely wrecked any chance the deck had.

>>49615097
is there no other good 4 drop besides seed guardian? zendikar incarnate just left and we're trying to give him something to sac beastcallers into

>"Great, a vehicle deck won! Time to see what it runs"
>Gideons, Copters, Skysovereign
>"G-guess I'll stick to budget cars..."

>>49619316
Note that most of the games that he won were usually won by Weaver of Lightning rather than any vehicles.

>>49615010
there's a thread for this

>>49616252
>>49616252
>>49616252
that said,

The 0 is stupid. Just do the effect, no life reduction.

The -X is also a jumbled mess. Think about the things you can use it for and tell me if a 3 color planeswalker shouldn't have better options than nuking himself to use.

And are you ONLY proliferating to get to -7? really? And his ult is "cast orinthopter, gain omniscience and omnipotence" ?

>>49605625
This is untrue. BW control has a shitload of answers to UR fevered:
- Fragmentize
- Kambal
- Anguished Unmaking
- Lifegain from basically every card in your deck
- Lost Legacy

>>49619357
if someone's claiming white can't answer enchantments or creatures, they crazy and you have no requirement to reply anon

>>49618910
Revolutionary Rebuff exists friend. Not to mention you can sideboard Lost Legacy yourself.

>>49600661
What red goodies appear in the set?

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>>49613739
What should I replace them with then? Skywhaler's Shot, Harsh Scrutiny?

>>49619316

>implying you had to check the vehilces to know the only good ones made to the list

Smuggle's Copter ban incoming?

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Reminder to not fall for the vehicles meme.

>piss easy to remove
>literally only 3 playable cards
>copter's 3 toughness gets it shot down all the time
>boat is slow as shit
>the 5/3 haste isn't worth it without buffs
>piss easy to remove
>piss easy to remove
If you have a Copter sell that shit now, you'll never see it at $15 ever again. Will be a $3 rare in a week or two.

>>49600714

Tutelage fag had to change his faggotry and now he's sadfag.

2x Bedlam Reveler
3x Chandra, Torch of Defiance
3x Collective Defiance
2x Curious Homunculus
3x Expedite
2x Fevered Visions
3x Horribly Awry
8x Island
8x Mountain
4x Revolutionary Rebuff
4x Spirebluff Canal
4x Take Inventory
4x Thermo-Alchemist
2x Torrential Gearhulk
3x Unsubstantiate
3x Wandering Fumarole
2x Weaver of Lightning

Alternatively the fun one is
2x Authority of the Consuls
3x Cathartic Reunion
4x Concealed Courtyard
4x Declaration in Stone
4x Fumigate
2x Harsh Scrutiny
2x Inspiring Vantage
4x Madcap Experiment
2x Metalwork Colossus
4x Mountain
2x Nahiri, the Harbinger
1x Needle Spires
1x Nephalia Academy
4x Noxious Gearhulk
3x Plains
3x Refurbish
1x Sequestered Stash
3x Shambling Vent
5x Swamp
2x Thalia, Heretic Cathar
4x Unlicensed Disintegration

>>49605898
Because there's nothing to say yet, other than "Amonkhet sounds pretty rad."

I bet they'll abuse the Egypt-loves-cats meme and Ajani will be the hero and join the gatewatch

>>49619306
i'm on seed because i'm not in black and i'm weak to flying. it actually has the most value in green 4-drops and should be third behind haunted dead and thought-knot seer for overall value 4-drops.

>>49619585
>>49618910
I seriously don't think Lost Legacy cripples the deck that much. If a deck sideboards it, it's probably slow enough that you can do the combo over two turns with Crush of Tentacles instead of Paradoxical Outcome.

>>49601152
play pauper.

>>49618455
What draw spell would this be? I have no real clue, I don't usually play standard

>>49620547
Possibly Catalog or Contingency Plan?

>>49613869
>Before=since

>>49610584
Grasp of darkness does a very good job of this. If they play it on an empty board or target only the hulk, you just kill it in response to the trigger.

>>49620547

Pic related. Scry 2 and instant speed is a bid deal.

>>49620642

The hulk doesn't target, you pick how to place the counters on resolution.

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>>49620847

>Pic related.

Are there any good energy cards that just generate energy?

I want to use aether hub but don't want to run janky shit just to get some

>>49620964
Dynavolt is a pretty good standalone energy generator. Decoction module is fairly useful as well. Aren't very many cards that are cost effective that generate energy as a standalone

>>49613876
That's not the argument, fuck Boi.
The problems that used to plague blue design now are the worst things about green.
Instead of nerfing two colors to the ground and dialing back another two, why not bring everything up to the same level of power?
> Oh right, WotC has never been good at design when it isn't one overly powerful color at a time

>>49621019
Green's power level is almost purely reactionary to blue's dominance and now decline though. Previous color pie divisions making it so blue was the only color that could interact with the stack, and maybe black or red on rare occasion, gave it inherent dominance. Green always suffered the most and now it's being tuned in such a way that it's supposed to be intentionally difficult to control against, but doing that at the same time control is actually brought down has exacerbated how dominant green is in limited formats.

>>49619815
>easy to remove

yeah maybe if you maindeck artifact removal. the card is broken beyond broken and will need to be banned.

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>>49621115
>the card is broken beyond broken and will need to be banned
There is so much in this set alone that completely negates it.

It's not shit, but it isn't good. So much setup and once it's dealt with you're much further behind than you would be without it.

Guys I want to make a Rat deck,
Can you help me add to and change to make what i have so far better
>3 Unholy Strength
>1 Insubordination
>2 Innocent Blood
>1 Reaping The Graves
>2 Morgue Theft
>1 Sinister strength
>2 Claim of Erebos
>1 Ravenous rats
>4 Chittering Rats
>2 Necrobite
>2 Thriving Rats
>2 Razortooth Rats
>3 Bog Rats
>1 Gruesome Deformity
>3 Syphon Mind
>2 Asphyxiate
>17 Swamps

>>49621144
Of all the cards to post, you chose the Sorcery-speed "damage to flying" card?

Anyone saying Copter will be BANNED is a retard, but please don't post bad cards to prove it's fine.

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>>49621144
>Sorcery speed removal against The Choppa
I know it's probably bait, but I had fun at the idea of someone sideboarding that to deal with it.

>>49621144
Why is this card even sorcery speed in the first place. It would be fine at instant

>people think the copter is broken
wait one more week for control decks

it'll be $5 in no time

not fast enough for aggro

doesn't do enough for control

will do ok in low t1 decks

not much more

>>49621386

>4 DAMAGE INSTANT FOR 1 G

how the fuck is that ok you retard

Le epic contrarian argument. Copter is good, it's the best card in the format so far. Everyone saying it's a crap rare is a dumbass, everyone saying it's broken is just a lazy shit who is mad that they have to run instant speed removal in their gw pile. Fucking idiots just adapt to what's good and stop whining.

Unless you are generating mad energy, why even use Aether hub? It just seems like a dead card unless a lot of your spells are generating energy

>>49621731
They printed Rending Volley, which was 4 damage, can't be countered, instant, in DTK

Why would 4 damage to a CREATURE for 2 mana be overpowered? That's already a pretty low power level.

Printing it at instant would at least make it considerable. Hell, even Lightning Axe is 5 damage for 1

>>49621731
These are the same people that want Lightning Bolt in every standard format.

In their eyes, an instant that says "~ deals 5 damage to target creature with flying." and that costs G would be totally balanced and a reasonable competitive card.

>>49621750
Quick mana fixing and probably running a few mana generating cards to keep one or two counters around.
>over $2.00 in price already
Fucking why. I hate when this happens to uncommons.

>>49621778
And you're just casual as all hell.

You're one of the people that just LOVE ramming creatures into each other until you're both down to top decking when games last from 20-30 minutes each.

>>49621867
Oh sure, let's just shove Lightning Bolt in there then, make it so that every deck has to splash red and so that absolutely no creature with less than 4 toughness is playable unless its ETB trigger is so pushed that you're effectively playing a sorcery card with no consideration for the body.

That sure sounds like a healthy, diverse format.

>>49621750
>>49621835
>get mana of any color for up to 2 turns
>doesn't enter tapped
>works well and builds off other Aether Hubs
>works even better with other energy, and a good number of standalone cards may leave extra energy around (the scry 2, draw 2) (the energy lightning bolt), etc.
You obviously don't want to waste the energy T1/2 since this looks most effective T3+ but like I said, if you have another Hub or secondary energy source this card just does everything you want it to.

It's 2 dollars (and might even hit 3) because basically every deck benefits from this, much like the Copter. Just be lucky this wasn't rare, because it sure as shit could have been.

>>49621750
>Strictly better Tendo Ice Bridge
>Why would people use this?

/tg/ really is bad at magic

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HOLY SHIT, this fucking turtle is best in this set, look at it, it's thriving as fuck. Literally a 1/4 for U, and it keeps growing if you feed it energy

>>49621067
I fucking love this meme about blue having stack interaction making it somehow fundamentally better than other colours.

>>49622010
1: it only hits creatures and not players. The reason why bolt is so good is because it hits players.
2. I wasn't saying we should print bolt, but thanks for putting words in my mouth.
3. Maybe if Standard didnt have such a shit power level right now, then Bolt wouldn't be so bad. As it stands, though, we will never see anything actually powerful printed ever again minus maybe 1 or 2 cards every BLOCK

>>49622500
New player here, asking something out of morbid curiosity.

What would it take to bring Standard back up to power? A single block would probably end up scrapping every existing deck if it upjumped.

I'm not saying that's necessarily a bad idea, but would that be the preferred solution?

Also people seem to really hate creature decks. Is there a reason for that?

Rate my shitbrew, please. I'm coming from Modern and wanted to take a similar approach as Bant Eldrazi.

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/really-bad-eldrazi-aggro/

>>49622618
A lot of players prefer the roll of the dice, lack of interaction and simple mathematics that hard aggro and and hard burn decks provide.
Another lot of players prefer lording over their opponent by being in charge of entirely one-sided interaction as they play a hard control draw-go deck.
Then there's yet another lot of players that want to be able to smugly build their hand while swatting you away before chaining three, four cards in a combo that you can't disrupt that just wins them the game.

The issue is that being forced to choose between creature-based 'aggro,' midrange and 'control' decks of Humans, Emerge, Delirium and the thankfully non-dead Collected Company forces them to interact. They can no longer just ignore creatures, bat them away with ridiculously cheap removal or prevent them from entering the battlefield at all. No, now they actually have to manage their opponents' creatures like a resource and think about them and this isn't the MtG that they want to play. They want to be in control and play the game on their terms, not as equals with their opponent.

>>49622849
You're speaking as if you have never built a deck with those designs in mind before, either.

The fact that you can't comprehend that other players don't just want to 'manage creatures' signifies you have a sever lack of experience in playing Magic other than the creature format.

I strongly suggest you branch out into other formats and give it a try. There are MANY other ways of interaction than just bashing creatures together until someone runs out of creatures.

>>49622849
That doesn't even come close to answering my question, and 'humans' is not a control deck. I play humans, and I am never EVER the one 'in control.' However you're biased, it's certainly leaking through to the point where even I'm able to tell.

>bought a handful of Collective Brutalitys when they were $1.5
>they're $4.5 now

Do you think they'll rise any more or should I trade them off now?

>>49623182

its played in modern

>>49622900
nigger, I have Tireless tracker, I'll never run out of creatures with that and the Copter digging into my deck.

choke on them you draw-go bitch, choke on them.

>>49623932
Take a pill, son

>open box of KLD
>amazing pulls
>enter my shit in on deckbox
>foil Revolutionary Rebuff is at $5
Did this shit see play?

>>49616799
look at this fucking retard