MTG Modern General

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>>49582708
ded format

>>49582708
Will the health death cannon from Keledesh make Soul Sisters better?

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>>49582922
Hey bud, just because the format's so linear that I do just as well with glimmervoid-less affinity as I do with jeskai control after playing the latter for 3 years doesn't mean it's dead.

So Frontier died before living, right?

>>49583054
Add a bad card to a bad deck doesn't make either better

>>49582708
When will Modern become uncucked from Standard and Limited fags?

>>49583210
When modern stops being stagnant and dominated by 5 decks.

>format of standard mistakes that can only get new cards through a heavily powered down standard
>thinking this format isn't dead as fuck
At least legacy gets cards through conspiracy and commander sets. And wizards throws legacy a bone or two in each. Modern gets fuck all except pushed creatures and any noncreature spell that doesn't involve creatures is !badwrongfun ¡ so it gets a ban

>>49583377
This makes no sense in this context. Why must you parrot memers? How old are you?

>third most popular competitive format after Limited and Standard
>these prices
>dead

It's like you don't understand why Modern is so expensive.

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>>49582922
>Thread slow because everyone is out playing modern FNM
>ded format

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Anyone try pic related in infect yet? Seems almost good enough.

>>49583095
The only thing this post proves is you're retarded

>>49584860
Dont play infect but i could see it being rum as a 1-2 of.

Is jund gonna run new Chandra? Every time I look at the new Chandra, I think "well it just has to be good, right?" But honestly I can't figure out where she fits into. Unless she gets her own new deck?

>>49585313
The closest she'll get to seeing play is a 1 or 2 of in skred.

Her abilities are clunky and the 4 mana flame slash is not how you want to deal with threats.

People just see 4 abilities and think it's insane.

>>49585429
Ok, well, Liliana comes in and immediately takes herself down to 1 loyalty to remove a creature. Liliana has the benefit of being pretty much a guaranteed kill, whereas 4 damage isn't always a kill. But, with Chandra you get to choose which creature to take out and with Liliana they get to choose. Also Liliana comes out a turn earlier.

>>49584860
I'd run it, throw 3 copies of that and titanic growth you'll be good.

But why doesn't anyone run Blight Mamba in these decks? A two drop infect with regeneration can't be bad? What am I missing?

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where do you guys order quality custom playmats?
i want something like this

>>49584860
can't imagine what to cut honestly, maybe groundswell?

>>49585739
yikes

>>49585739
It's too slow. Seriously, Infect is so streamlined and quick it doesn't want it.

Blighted Agent is leagues better as well.

>>49585739
The u/g infect deck is already pretty tight, so there's not a lot of room for it. In the 2 drop slot, flying and unblockable are both better than regenerate, especially since you have to pay 2 mana for the effect.

>>49585739

Because Infect is a glass cannon deck. It needs Vines and/or Blessing to get through the inevitable early bolt/path/whatever (assuming they don't take out the heirarch). The longer the game goes on, the more probability that they have removal. Playing Blight Mamba just adds 1 turn more to the deck, in a deck that absolutely needs the lower turn count.

The regeneration is a mana-sink in a deck that doesn't have the space for mana.

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rate this pile of shit
who reps going 2/2 every week with jank
fuck yeah


http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/owling-mine-sans-owls/

>>49585833
>>49585845
>>49585870
These are all great break downs actually, thanks for the info guys. I have some tweaking to do.

>>49585921
So it's the opposite of 8 rack basically. Seems like it'll be a bad matchup against decks that can easily unload their hand. Burn and affinity come to mind. I think it'll be less competitive than 8 rack because you only have 4 copies of the enchantment you're banking on, and it costs 3 instead of 1.

>>49586174
>Seems like it'll be a bad matchup against decks that can easily unload their hand.

It really is. I have pretty much given up playing against Burn. I've tried some sideboard options against it, but I can't be bothered at the moment. There's only like one Affinity player for some reason where I am.

The 8-Rack comparison is valid but kinda misleading. This is a deck which directly attacks mana generation by bouncing lands to the hand and by using Blood Moon. 8-Rack attacks the hand directly. Fevered Visions allows for card draw and also gives pressure in the mid game. It's a really odd deck in that it seems to have a really strong game on the play, but a really bad game on the draw. Bouncing a turn one land with an Eye of Nowhere is pretty much the ideal play. Even better if you can snag their heirarch or it's a shock they fetched.

So is delver of secrets supposed to be Jeff Goldbloom from The Fly?

>>49586389
it's called a reference, anon.
It isn't literally Jeff Goldblum.

>>49586441
That's what I was getting at. Like was it done specifically to reference him or happy coincidence

>>49586559
it's a reference

>>49586559

Pure coincidence.

>>49586389
You realize The Fly was a movie before the Goldbloom version, right? And before that it was a short story. It's a reference to the character, Delambre/Brundle, not Goldbloom.

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>when you meme somebody out with the sun titan/saheeli combo

>>49586753
I was kind of surprised to learn that the titans aren't legendary honestly

>>49586763
I'm kind of surprised saheeli isn't more expensive

>>49586787
I think people are really underestimating her -2.

>>49586835
Yeah, it's really good
It might be good in a RUG midrange list too
get em now boys

>>49586753

Post deck, I wanna hop on the newest meme

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>>49586916
Take this list and turn one of the sun titans into Emrakul
It's fucking hilarious, I just beat a control deck with it. He FF'd when I got to titan number 8

>>49586946

>that

So let me get this straight. They banned twin and then this shit happens anyway?

>>49587004
Yea. Twin was great.
This is garbage

>>49587004
It's not really better than twin, although I did just take the last high placing twin deck and throw the combo in
It shares Twin's weaknesses but it can protect itself using the grave which is neat, the thing that sucks is that the pieces indiviudally aren't very good

>>49586946
At this rate, WUR-Control will be flavor-of-the-week and have a Jund Tax just like Jund.

First it was Ajani Vengeant, then Kiki-Resto, then Sun Titan, and then Nahiri, then Saheeli.

I bet to this day Ajani Vengeant is still a feasible win condition in that deck.

>>49587004
>They banned a combo reliant on one of any number of three mana creatures with flash that can even deny your opponent mana to answer it and a four mana enchantment
>WOW this combo reliant on a 6 mana creature is JUST AS BAD

No.

>>49587061
Naya Restore Balance runs it, think it's secretly decent

Ran my gruel energy today for fnm modern was repeatedly swing with 20/20 with trample by turn 4. It's all good.

>>49587643
post list

>>49585066
My condolences dude, I didn't know retards won your FNM every week. I wish you luck on your quest to best them!

Jesus Christ why the fuck does Gatherer exist? You can't even comment or rate cards on there. It's card search options are shit too. What's the point of it?

>>49587829
To provide official information that other sites like magiccards.info can compile and display in a better format.

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>I'M A POORFAG MAGIC IS TOO EXPENSIVE IT ISN'T FAIR THEY NEED INFINITE REPRINTS REEEEEEEE

Just use 4 Electrize pummelers 4 built to smash and 2 cost energy builders.

>>49587708
My response here.>>49587864
Will post deck list when not on phone.

>>49587829
Magiccards.info is good.

How do I into deck building? My brews always seem to be some variant of "Get creatures, smash face" and I'm getting bored but I have no idea how to change. Even some half workable jank would be nice to make.

>>49588317
>take old deck
>put new tech in to handle metagame
congrats, youre now flavor of the month

>>49587852
>magiccards.info
It's dead man. Guy who owns it also sold MTGSalvation and now doesn't give a fuck about it.

>>49588422

Source?

Loam Pox is back!

tappedout.net/mtg-decks/shock-pox/

>>49588780
>languish

>>49588806
It is usually just as good as Damnation. All of the decks that have 5-toughness creatures can be taken care of by the rest of the deck. Bant Eldrazi, Grixis Delver, Valakut all are weak to so much of the rest of the deck, so why not save money with Languish.

>pmayne playing UR pyromancer
>"this deck is great because it never floods"
>draws 3 lands in a row, costing him the game
lelmao

>>49588910
He shoulda tapped his hand on some dead plant fiber desu famalam

>>49586753
Don't post that fucking hate symbol on my 4chan

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>>49588930
>tfw you hit a blunt with pyromancer's ascension up
>charge counters getting higher than you are
feels great man

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>>49588933

You mean this symbol?

(relatively) new player. I bought some starter decks back in 2011 to play with people in college. Haven't played much since.
I just downloaded magic duels on steam. Any tips on which boosters to get first/which decks to aim at building? I am partial towards white but I am willing to broaden my horizons. Really I just want to have fun as opposed to winning every game.

>>49589174

>Really I just want to have fun as opposed to winning every game.
>have fun
>as opposed to winning every game

Welcome to the Modern general friendo, where you'll do neither.

>>49589227
Like I said, I'm new. Where should I be asking my question(s) instead?

>competitive modern

lel, what a bunch of crap. Get with the times, losers. Standard is the only way to play. Honorable mentions to EDH

>>49588422
It *was* dead for about half a year, but it recently started updating itself around a month ago. The lone guy running it was probably just being lazy about adjusting the site's algorithm to a 2 set standard rotation.

>>49589232

There should be a casual MTG thread up. Modern is competitive format that costs too much money to start up. You'd want either the casual format or maybe standard. Trying to start this game by jumping into modern is an arduous task.

You probably got decieved by the name Modern and thought it referred to the newest set/vidya instead of referring to cards that are 13 years old.

If you want to dive into the game try and find a pdf of Next Level Magic and Next Level Deckbuilding (do not pay for them, they're fucking ebooks). After that, read up on the newest set, Kaladesh and see what's good in limited (ie what you should aim for when drafting cards). Then play some draft at a local.

>>49589292
Thanks for the info. Much appreciated.

>>49589257
EDH is my favorite format simply because I can play goblin welder

>>49589174
look for a site where they break down the Magic Duels meta and pick a good deck from there you like if you want to have a decent chance at winning.

Eldritch Moon and Shadows Over Innistrad have pretty good white Humans and Angels

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Fun and interactive.

>>49585313
Tested Chandra tonight, played her twice. One time she plus'd to kill a Nahiri and the 2nd time I killed a Thoughtknot Seer. Other than than at one point I purposely discarded it to enable Delirium for my 2 Grim Flayers. So so far it's okay?

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>>49590029
>playing 24 lands and 36 siege rhinos.

I wish.

So am i right in thinking kaladesh doesnt have anything for modern aside from stylish reprints? I thought i might get something for affinity but it looks like they intentionaly made it so anything i would want has some kind of drawback that makes it not good enough.

>>49590908
Nothing for T1 decks at least

>>49590908
Yeah, for an artifact themed block, it's kind of meh. Like, I get not wanting to repeat the design mistakes , but everything in the set is very safe. They could have pushed the power of vehicles, for instance.

Hopefully, there's some decent cards in the next set. I'm hoping some new Burn tech. And i know it's all going to be crap, just let me dream.

>>49587829
>You can't even comment or rate cards on there.

Can't you do exactly both of those things?

>>49590908
The only thing Affinity might want is Inventors' Fair, which competes for the same spot a lot of people are using for Sea Gate Wreckage right now.

There are certain tradeoffs whichever one you go with, but I think it's more likely that people will stick with Wreckage.

>>49590910
Cathartic Reunion replaced Tormenting Voice in Dredge.

>>49591772
People had been cutting Voice in some build recently, but I think Reunion is so good that it will easily take those spots back. It's a pretty damn strong turn 2.

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I feel like I know the answer to these questions, but my newb friend raged after I used this on his creature to clear a path to victory

1. Can you play this card on your opponent's creature?

2. Can you discard a card immediately after playing this card to remove the enchanted creature?

3. What is the ability type of the discard ability? It's not an activated ability correct?

>>49592506
Yes
Yes
It is an activated ability

>>49592537
thanks

>>49590908
maybe, >>49590910 is correct but maybe stuff for tier 2-3 decks

>>49592635
The Enemy Fastlands might be usable.

>>49592660
I think they're super overrated actually
There's just no decks that really use fast lands and no decks are really screaming for enemy fastlands. People either want to delve or pump goyfs and fastlands do neither. I just can't think of any deck that would use them, maybe the WB as a one-of in ad nauseam and even that's probably a no

>>49592684
I'm building Boros Burn and Inspiring Vantage is an easy 4 of. Enough to replace Arid Mesas until I can afford them, and when I do. They will stay mainboard anyway.

>>49592660
>>49592684
I'm putting a one of in my legacy deck as a replacement for a 4th dual. It can't be fetched for, but if its one of your top 10 cards, its just as good. Plus using wastes can knock you down to the requirement.

>>49585921
Looks fun as fuck anon.

How I noticed you opt for Gigadrowse over Exhaustion, how has that been faring for you?

>>49590908
Cathartic something something hugs is okay for a T1? T2? T1.5? deck? Madcap experiment might work out as a like 2-6 card package that sometimes just flat out wins the game against some decks but I don't think it really has a strong home

>>49585921
Have you considered days undoing as a 1/2 of? Refills both hands, and if you have mana up you can use all the instants you drew on their upkeep.

>>49592684
They're nice for people who don't want to buy the expensive enemy fetchlands but would like better manabases.

>>49592660
Yeah the fast lands are unplayable.

The only one that sees use is Blackcleave Cliffs.

>>49592684
BW Tokens could use them

>>49592843
I've seen Abzan testing a combination of the B/W and the B/G one. Delver lists will probably still like having the U/R one but those decks are just terrible and all still have the delve plan

>>49592935
>says deck is terrible
>has no understanding of it
Stop posting anytime now.

>>49589498
You can play 4 goblin welder in Legacy. You just need $1000 for a stax shell and with that you're 10 proxies away from a competitive vintage deck.

>>49592843
>The only one that sees use is Blackcleave Cliffs.

Copperline sees play in Dredge, Living End, and some Burn.
Seachrome and Darkslick see some play in Ad Nauseam.
Razorverge shows up in some Abzan, GW Hatebears, and Bogles.

>>49589498
my man... we need a reprint fast

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:3

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>>49593075
Um.

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>>49593106
that shit doesent even count gtfo with that new text there is only one welder + we want it in mdoern/standard and eventually the new shitty format

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>>49582922
Desu, this.

>>49593244
Oh, I assumed you meant a reprint to drop prices, which >>49593106 easily did.

What do you do about two-faced cards? My opponent can see when they are in my hands or i'm about to pick one up.

>>49593258
AT LEAST they kept the flavor text

>>49593278
?????? why kind of sleeves are you using

>>49593278
If you're somehow not using sleeves, you need to use the official proxy checklist cards that came with the sets the double sided cards are from. You mark what card it represents beforehand.

>>49593302
none. I'm new to this. I'm using cards straight out of packs.

>>49590029
What are you trying to argue right now

>>49593323
This may not be the thread for you then my friend.

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>>49593278

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>>49593323
WHY DO ALL THE FUCKING NEWFAGS COME TO THE MODERN THREAD
GET
OUT
SCRUB

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I barely won a Friday night modern magic tournament last week with an 8-rack control deck. I go back and play in a ladder match with other recent winners in two weeks time.

Mill and 8-rack aren't that competitive, but they're the best two decks I've probably got.

I got two week's to acquire any new cards /tg/, rate/help me choose what deck to use, keeping in mind people have seen the 8-rack.

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/16-09-16-assisted-suicide/

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/cranial-flush/

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/questionable-choices/

>>49593356
>>49593363
am I supposed to go to standard? Because I'm certain that both formats use double-faced cards.

>>49583054
I've been play testing goat sisters with this as an alternate win and it does okay. Like it will never be a tiered deck but its fun for shits and giggles.

>>49591120
They disabled that feature a while back.

>>49593394
Why

>>49593386
So this is what it feels like to be triggered

>>49593386
You use the checklist cards or use sleeves you caveman.

>>49593102
cute pupper

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Why is glimpse the unthinkable still so fucking expensive when mill isnt good in any format. They need to just reprint this card already so all the casual kitchen top mill players can get their 4x.

>>49593567
This is the Modern thread. Make a casual poorfag thread to complain in.

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You can always play Pauper, common and uncommons only, decks are all budget, absolutely everyone plays gimmick decks and random garbage so its always fun at least. Or build some modern or EDH decks on tappedout.com. Get some advice from the people there, you can keep an eye on the price of all the cards as you try out compositions. Improve it for a while, look at the auto suggestions, play some local drafts where you buy in for $10 or $15, and then, when you're happy with the deck buy the singles for your deck from tapped out, and start playing modern.

Remember it's printed cardboard, you lose money every time you buy a booster and generally investing in expensive cardboard is a huge waste of money from an adults point of view. I got back into magic when I started having way more disposable income. It's easy invest a large amount of money on this shit in a short amount of time as you swap cards in and out.

>>49593667
Commons only.

Uncommons would let you play suicide black though. I'd be pretty funny to drop down your 2000 dollar "pauper" deck and proceed the Juzam beatdown.

>>49593707
To be honest I dont think Ive ever seen or played pauper ever

>>49593667
Who are you talking to?
Fuck off with your preaching

>>49593732
It is pretty cool. It is the only format you can play real affinity in.

>>49593753

referring to
>>49593386

>>49593755
Don't forget real mono red burn and real mono blue decks.

>>49593567

>Mill isn't good in any format
tell that to draft, the reason it hasn't been safely reprinted in something like Conspiracy and why Startled Awake is mythic. mill is polarizing because limited formats have lower "life totals" than constructed.

Imagine asking for bolt in a format with only 12 life. that's the struggle wizards has with Glimpse.

>>49593755
>real affinity
>no arcbound ravager
>no signal pest
>no champion
>no opal
>no glimmervoid
>no overseer
>no skirge

Who cares if the cards have affinity mechanic. That isn't very fun.

>>49585820
>anime mat

Kys

>>49593755
Ravager and Plating are the reasons why you play Affinity and you can't play those in Pauper, so you're going to need to enlighten me on this.

>>49593781
This. It's also more crippling because you don't have 4 of all your good cards so it's much more likely you lose key pieces to the mill.

>>49593814
Believe it or not Plating was printed at common.

>>49593780
Well, mono red burn is a legit Legacy deck. Agree on mono blue.

>>49593796
It uses Atog instead of ravager. Most of the rest of those cards are scars block stuff. Other than the mana, which, yeah, you're mana base is a little shaky and you have to use drums or petals if you're playing in paper.

>>49593823
Plating is banned in pauper.

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>>49593755
Mill got nerfed in my opinion, there are far more viable decks with mainboard graveyard shuffle on hit now. Glimpse the unthinkable, the first decent competitive mill card in a while didn't get reprinted. Startled Awake isn't even good at 4 mana, better off with Archive trap and Ghost Quarters. Im almost surprised Mindcrank isnt banned

>>49593843
Oh. Well then

>>49593814
You sac your artifacts to atog, then do one of several possible moves with it. You could have disciples in your deck to do damage from the sac, then you either use fling or rancor to finish them.

>talking about pauper in the modern thread
talk about modern or shut up

Anyone else think pyro is just shy being a real deck? It can kill pretty early and deal with a lot of aggro strategies, and doesn't fold instantly to disruption. It's not an amazing deck, but from what I've seen it's pretty powerful

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>>49593812
>isn't a weeb
Wrong website, kid.

>>49593909
>pyro
What? Young Pyro? That's a card, anon, not a deck.
I think you're gonna need to be a little clearer

>>49593567
>he doesn't play legacy painter

lmao at your life

>>49593909
Do you mean Thing Ascension or just storm? I have no Idea what you're referring to.

>>49593909
she's fine for fast pseudo storm

>>49593959
im actually working on a cruel control deck with painter mill and blood moon

Im lmaoing at my own life people, forfeit games when they seen this shit

>>49593959

>legacy painter
>a mill deck

try again

>>49594033
Basically this, at its best it was a control deck finisher

19 LANDS
4 Ancient Tomb
3 Bloodstained Mire
3 City of Traitors
1 Great Furnace
4 Mountain
2 Plateau
2 Wooded Foothills
16 CREATURES
3 Goblin Welder
4 Imperial Recruiter
1 Jaya Ballard, Task Mage
1 Magus of the Moon
4 Painter's Servant
1 Phyrexian Revoker
2 Simian Spirit Guide
9 INSTANTS and SORC.
3 Enlightened Tutor
4 Pyroblast
2 Red Elemental Blast
16 OTHER SPELLS
4 Blood Moon
1 Ensnaring Bridge
4 Grindstone
1 Lion's Eye Diamond
3 Lotus Petal
3 Sensei's Divining Top
SIDEBOARD
2 Ajani Vengeant
1 Duergar Hedge-Mage
1 Engineered Explosives
1 Ensnaring Bridge
1 Ethersworn Canonist
4 Lightning Bolt
1 Rest in Peace
2 Sulfur Elemental
1 Tormod's Crypt
1 Trinisphere

Hello /paupergeneral/, I was wondering if any of you also play UB teachings? It's pretty much the only deck I play aside from U Delver. Do you guys play creatureless teachings? It seems to be the popular thing to do (and win with either evnicars or mill) but I really think angler and mulldrifters is the way to go.

>>49587708
4x Electrostatic Pummeler
4x Voltaic Brawler
4x Sage of Shaila's Charm
4x Built to Smash
4x Blossoming Defense
4x Verdurous Gearhulk
4x Lighting Bolt
2x Deadlock Trap
2x Aethorworks Marvel

Other then that build what you need.

>>49593812

>persona 3
>anime

You're that one human waste that spams "kys" every thread while crying about creatures: the tappening, that explains a lot. But for the love of god get your insults right you dumb fuck.

>>49592684
>>49592866
>yfw deadguy ale becomes a deck

>>49594380
Right now I think you wanna be playing Anglers and Mulldrifters in Teachings.

Also I'm always playing some fringe shit brew in pauper I can't be assed to play top level decks when UW Blink is my favorite archetypes.

I'm a big fan of UW Trinket Blink, so many options

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/urza-lion/
>Finally finish building deck I've always wanted to play
>its shit because everyone runs crumble to dust now a days
lol fuck me with a rake

>>49594812
>its shit because everyone runs crumble to dust now a days
Play GQ

>>49594812
>Tron
You'll get no sympathy from me, mouth breather.

>>49594862
I- I also play Burn and Fish
I figured Tron was the least cancerous

>>49594915
Merfolk is the Brazil of Modern. Literally no good players pilot it.

>>49594812
>Basic Forest
>Basic Mountain
>No Ulamog or World Breaker
>Pyroclasm instead of Firespout
>4x Wurmcoils

This is pretty disgusting to be honest.

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>>49594915
>Tron
>the least cancerous

>>49594915
Tron has a bad rep around here because everyone is a little salty about turn 3 Karn followed up with turn 4 Ulamog.

>>49594915
I don't think I've ever met a single person who enjoy playing against tron. There's Burn and Infect players who do but they enjoy it for different reasons.

Would I run into problems if I'd proxy basic lands with some sick ass full art lands of my own in zendikar style?

>>49596249
why would you do that

>>49596249
Yes. Unless you alter actual Zendikar lands with different art or extend the art of other lands, you won't be able to use them.

Proxies are a no go.

>>49596266
Because there are barely any basic lands I like just based on the art alone.

>>49596275
Wow. Fucking pleb.

>>49595143
I do because Tron never has a chance against my deck. Smallpox, life from the loam, and ghost quarter prevent them from playing anything threatening.

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>>49596249
>tfw you're too poor to even afford basic lands

>>49596275

>he doesn't like the John Avon lands
>he doesn't like the snow covered lands
>he doesn't like the odyssey lands
>he doesn't like alara basics
>probably doesn't like the og ravnica basics or the kamigawa spread lands

Get out.

>>49596511
lorwyn basics best (non-full art) basics

>>49596511
Not that guy, but I'm a big fan of Christopher Rush's basic lands
May he forever rest in peace, he was an amazing artist

>>49596573

I still only play his Lightning Bolts. There's a certain power to them

>>49596659
They kill Goyfs that other bolts can't kill

>>49596659
I play the newer bolts in my Skred deck because they have the same artist. Art looks so similar, snow and everything

Should I bring Infect or Ad Nauseam to the next SCG tourney? AN seems better against all the midrange and it seems liek that stuff is going to be really popular

>>49588870
Because it rotated.

>>49596959
Bring Infect dude. Get some sick T2 wins on camera to feed the "ban BE" meme.

>spend whole life saying how merfolk suck
>start loving merfolk
wat do, i love blue

>>49597372
Merfolk are only blue because of their casting cost. They don't really fit the colour pie. Sounds like you enjoy boring aggro rather than blue

>>49597390
That's pretty sad, but real.

>>49597390
oh but i dont, i hate other aggro, the deck seems so special

>>49594991
I don't actually understand what is wrong with 4 wurmies
wouldn't having 4 of a card you really wanna slam down be good?

>>49589174
If you are looking to have fun, don't play modern.

Get a six pack or a bottle of whiskey, get you're bros together and print proxies.

That is the cheapest way to have fun. Play decks that are your own creation against deks your friends make.

Or you could draft.

>>49597437
It's a 6-drop.
Without even looking at anything beyond the mana cost, I can say that you won't be slamming it down because of how expensive it is. It's a card you want to cheat into play, which usually means you want it in your graveyard/library rather than your hand, or God forbid, top-decked.
If you have a way to cheat it into play, you usually also have a way to search for it, or otherwise reliably get it somewhere it's useful.

Same goes for Griselbrand, Platinum Emperion, Blightsteel Colossus, etc.
You don't just toss them in because they look fun or are powerful. You include them IFF you have the support structure necessary to use them.

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>tfw Norin in Dredge, Burn and heavy aggro meta

The hunter has become the hunted

>>49597857
Wow you're dense. Do you know what the urza lands do?

>>49597857
Nigga, Tron can consistently slam a Karn on turn 3, what the fuck are you even talking about?

>>49597908

I'd rather be dropping Karn to stabilize and then Eye of Ugin into Newla-

;_;7

>>49597908
Work IFF you have them or search cards in hand T1. Odds are not good. RIP Eye of Ugin.
>>49597934
>you include them IFF you have the support structure necessary to use them
Tron has the support structure necessary to get Karn into play. That deck posted does not.

>>49597437
It's because Wurmcoils are, among other things, taking up spaces that would be better served going to World Breakers or Ceaseless Hunger.

If it gets Path'd, it didn't contribute anything, unlike one of the Eldrazi.

>>49594812
>not maxing out Sylvan Scrying
>no Grove of the $60 willows
>no world breakers
>no orgasm stones
>no Sanctum of Ugin for your inevitability
>no spellskites so you don't auto-lose to infect/suizoo
>maindecked pyroclasm

You're killing me son, GR Tron builds itself.

>>49596486
Get that symbol of hate off my internet

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>>49594915
>I figured Tron was the least cancerous

>>49597390
what's boring about countermagic and land hate that cantrips?

>>49586946
What exactly is the combo? Just making Sun Titan tokens? What are you even getting back with the Titans?

>>49598184
>>no Grove of the $60 willows
>tfw you live in canada

Thinking about it wizards really ducked up with the Zen duals. They could have, are the type of land that was suggested for snap aster. Make its activities a Ted cost more but it would've been super cool

>>49598389
I know that feel bb
>>49598382
Inf tokens that all have haste

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>>49598407
A-at least we'll have legal weed next year!

>>49598439
Tbh I don't even care about weed, I do a lot of methamphetamines and regular amphetamines. ;_;

>>49598439
That doesn't make a lick of difference.

I get weed whenever I want it and I don't have to deal with any bullshit.

Head over to buddies house, smoke up, hang out, be on my way.

Oh and something, something mtg

>>49598522
For what purpose?

>>49598522
I don't really care about weed either, I'm an alchoholic wageslave who plays magic, I can't afford none of that shit.

>>49598534
I live in Toronto and none of my friends are black so "Going over to a friend's house" to get weed isn't exactly doable.

Ok guys I need some advice. I'm worried about MTGO and am considering selling out. Got a $4500 offer on my collection. I do think I could stomach a move to cockatrice but it's a big commitment abandoning MTGO likely for good.

What would you do?

>>49598539
Because uppers are more fun really. Weed is boring to a night of Ritalin, k and m. Or a weekend doing cake, m, adderall and more
>>49598556
If you're ever thinking of quitting drinking lsd worked surprisingly well for me

>>49598610
Not even comparable. I just wanna get stoned and relax. Not get fucking lit and stay up all night.

You kinda sound like you're trying to impress people here with your edgy drug habits.

>>49598692
Nah man, pure m can go either way. I like it to listen to super chill music. I'm not even a fan of drinking or smoking darts/weed

>>49598596
>$4500 offer

Think about it this way. You're not selling out of MTGO for good, because you could spend part of that $4500 getting one expensive deck you really would like to play. There was a guy on here not even a month ago who sold out of modern for, IIRC, $3800 and spent that on a Legacy D&T deck and a nice mountain bike.

There's nothing stopping you from selling one collection to buy another collection.

>>49598596
Buy 4 modern Jund decks

>>49598941
>>49599004

Thanks guys, I think you're right. I would very much like to buy some Workshops...

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>tfw playing mirror match against Thomas Davies with TimeMagus.dec

What a rush holy

>buy a boosterpack out of the blue
>expeditions torrential gearhulk

Welp now I can afford a new card or two. I think it's finally time to trim the playset of Howling Mines!

I've been testing mineless builds using ancestrals, snaps, and 2 day's undoing, and it's been pretty successful. There's no way I can afford the cards in paper, but there's a lot of cool tech we've gotten recently.

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Blood Moon. Oath of Nissa. Deploy the Gatewatch. And a shitload of planeswalkers.

But which planeswalkers?? Figured I'd add mana ramp and card draw.

>>49600269
Bolas, Karn, Ugin
Any walker that fucks shit up that you would rather not actually have to pay all the mana to cast

Played Jund with new Chandra in it today at a PPTQ. She actually did well, literally won me Round 1 against Abzan. Her performance was good, sadly mine wasn't as good. Dropped in the 5th round

>>49600719
But if you'd been running Pyromaster, would you have done just as well, or better?

>>49593909
Young pyromancer is just too slow for modern. Also, blue is a shit color.

>>49600024
nice pick anon

Has anyone else played titan lately? It still feels pretty good not as good but still has good turn 3-4 kill rate

>>49601472
I think the Breach/Pact version is best, do you run Scapeshift?

>>49600778
Not in the Abzan game solely because I used the plus ability to kill a liliana the first turn I played her and and every turn her adding loyalty helped keep her alive. Also the 4 damage was relevant against a Grim Flayer.

Since it's a 1 of I only saw it two other times and that was against Grixis Delver and Adnausium. Against Grixis Delver it was literally just a removal spell that ate a bolt and against Adnausium I used to to shock an my opponent scooped that turn.

>>49601499
I mean Bloomless Titan

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>mfw hoarding Kaladesh fastlands

Got 5 sets of each so far

>>49601681
o, looks fun but Azusa dying to bolt is scary

>>49601698

Rudy is the hero this game's economy needs

>>49601700
You can run the 3 mana entwine spell from... darksteel? Its essentially Summer bloom only it costs 1 more mana.

>>49590029
reminds me of:
https://www.mtggoldfish.com/articles/against-the-odds-34-rhinos

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>>49601999
>>49590029
4x siege rhinos
4x wurm coil engines
4x kokusho
rest of the deck is mana dorks and discard

>>49601816
oh nice, i may give it a try on MTGO considering i already have titans & lands

>>49602151
>forgetting to run fetchlands and 1-drop draw card spells purely for thinning purposes

>>49602151
>not adding 4x scuttling doom engine

Why

>>49602304
it doesn't gain you life to recover from the early turns

Love to build janky. Any way to make high priest of penance fun?

>>49602404
something to make it hexproof, and Pariah

>>49602434
and indestructible

Here's a dumbass question.

I never seen it talked about here, and I'm sure i'm overlooking something, but why aren't Sol Rings getting tossed into decks? Is that an EDH only kinda thing?

I'll get the tar and feathers.

>>49602524
Because the only formats they are legal in are Vintage and EDH and in both you are restricted to one only.

>>49602588
Thanks Anon.

>>49602404
i always see those while digging through bulk boxes and have the same question. it kinda looks like a tiny obliterator.
The one time i've seen it played was in a BW deck with squadron hawks and a bunch of swords

>>49600269
Working on this. It seems Deploy the Gatewatch isn't the way to go and thus adding the big ass mana PWs was hard as fuck.

4 [MM2:151] Noble Hierarch
3 [LRW:1] Ajani Goldmane
4 [MMA:191] Manamorphose
3 [OGW:138] Nissa, Voice of Zendikar
3 [KTK:248] Windswept Heath
3 [KTK:249] Wooded Foothills
4 [DIS:99] Utopia Sprawl
4 [OGW:140] Oath of Nissa
3 [BFZ:271a] Forest
1 [BFZ:252a] Plains
2 [EMN:20] Deploy the Gatewatch
2 [RTR:248] Temple Garden
4 [MMA:106] Blood Moon
2 [BFZ:270b] Forest
4 [NPH:35] Gitaxian Probe
2 [GTC:247] Stomping Ground
4 [CN2:176] Birds of Paradise
2 [BFZ:267a] Mountain
3 [BFZ:29] Gideon, Ally of Zendikar
3 [ISD:105] Liliana of the Veil

Been seeing if the deck can work against the potato AI on xmage. Have not done a real game yet.
Red Moon seems to control really well. Oath of Nissa is insane. I'm still not sure if these are the best PWs to fit here. Liliana is awesome in any deck though. Helps getting rid of extra Red Moons.

>>49600381
>bolas
>pushing him into 4 colours
No. Elspeth sun's champion. Gideon jura, Ugin and Karn. Potentially jace aot. A fuck load of wraths, counters and removal

>>49602840
you are implying you are ever gonna fucking cast bolas.
protip: we are cheating it into play with depoly the gatewatch and oath of nissa

Let me know what you guys think of mardu tokens.

Any changes I could make. At the moment I would like to squeeze another mentor and sorin in there somewhere.

I haven't finalised the s/b but it will just be good stuff, crumble to dust, stony silence etc.

Anyways, thanks in advance.

>>49586661
The first movie is shit. The 1986 version is only version worth watching.

Is new Liliana seeing play? Is that price going to drop after Standard rotation?

>>49604125
>Is new Liliana seeing play?
Yeah in Standard.
>Is that price going to drop after Standard rotation?
You fucking bet.

>>49604555
For some reason she saw play in a couple Jund lists in the French World qualifier.

ded format

>>49603347
Wow! So your saying it's better to need one of two cards to even cast him or the other to cheat him instead of running walkers that are in the colours he's running already? And you haven't killed yourself yet!? Wow

>>49604555
She saw some one of play in Abzan I think.

>>49606843
>Wow you need to play an card in order to cheat Emerakul out
>Emerakul must be a bad card

>you need to use TWO cards to get your grizelbrand in play?
>Fuck Grizzy must be one really shit card

>>49606966
I don't understand the griselbrand decks. I played against one the other day online and my opponent got out a griselbrand on turn 2 with goryo's vengeance, then basically drew his entire deck, went down to one life, and conceded.

>>49606966

>Comparing game winning combos to Nicol bolas

Nicol bolas doesn't immediately win you the game

>>49606966
Emrakul is a shit card. You literally never want to draw it. It's more akin to a marit lage token that nahiri makes. Great permanent, awful card.
>>49606998
The deck has massively high variance, it's very easy to fizzle even once you get grisel out.

>>49606998
That means your opponent whiffed like a bitch.

Is abzan company still worth building?

>>49607048
>it's very easy to fizzle even once you get grisel out.
If you're playing the shoal version it's actually very difficult to fizzle. If that's happening, the fault is on the pilot

>>49607048
If you draw it, you can just toss it with Nahiri.

>>49607190
Once you have nahiri out, and it's still a dead card until then

>>49593102

Should have been a 1/1 for 2. Can't compete with finks currently :( ily pupper

Bloomless Titan still feels pretty strong

>buildin RUG delver
>kaladesh comes out

Quick, what cards are good from this set in rug delver?

>>49607404
none
youre welcome

>>49607404
I'm trying torrential gear hulk as a single in sultai

>>49607501
Thanx babe
>>49607533
Why? I know Torrential is a pretty cool guy but how does he help?

>>49607592
Makes goyf bigger, and the idea of him hitting my cryptic has been in my dreams.
That and he works with my single stubborn denial and having something that is bigger than 4 power will be a boost. I've noticed my creature suite ends around that power so a solid 5/6 is nice.

That said, I'm playing him for all the aspects of what he is in a deck as a one of. So I doubt he's good enough to be a modern powerhouse, and he'll probably be the flex card cause snap is better

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Question, what kind of decks do you think the cast of yu gi oh would play if they were into magic? I remember reading once the Duel masters cast played magic until they switched to there own game, so it made me a bit curious. I used to play a lot of yu gi oh, but I'm slowly trying to get into magic the gathering.

>>49607787
Yugi would obviously play miracles

>>49607787
>>49607801
Definitely

Joey plays madcap...and loses to it

Kaiba plays...esper dragons?

>>49607847
>>49607801
>>49607787
Kys

>>49607802
Calm down spergmeister

>>49607891
I'm actually amazed you can type while flapping your hands at the same time.

>>49607911
Thanks!!!!!!!! I use my nose

>>49607802

Which would have been a good thread to ask then? The duel network ones in vg?

>>49607801
>>49607847

Just googled these, they look like cool decks, going to do some more research on these.

>>49608002
Well esper dragons isn't really a deck anymore, it was big in standard but the dig/treasure cruise ban basically made it not viable in modern, and madcap is still under construction because it's such a new card, nobody really knows how competitive it will be...but probably not very.

If you want to get into modern just go to mtgtop8 and look at all the decks from the most recent tournaments. There's actually a decent 20-25 decks right now that are pretty competitive.

>>49607209
Just saying that, unlike most "cards you never want to draw", Emrakul has mechanics in place for returning to its rightful spot.

>>49608517
ah, I didn't think about it in that sense, better than something like reanimator targets in gifts then.

>>49606998
>>49607050
>tfw all your fast mana is on the bottom

>>49608930
Go to discard. Keep a goryo and the rest lands
Reanimate borbor. Congrats

>>49606998
>went down to one life
How exactly?

>>49609476
I'd say it would have something to do with Griselbrand

>>49587852
>>49588016
Magidex is better and also more up to date

>>49588910
Pascal is literally the worst magic player at cfb. Constanly misplays, often doesn't know what his own cards do and on top of that he's french Canadian

>>49592684
Abzan is probably going to run a 3/1 split

>>49609476
He had some green card that let you exile it from the hand to gain life, I don't remember exactly what it was called or how it worked, but he kept gaining life and then using griselbrand's ability to draw more cards.

>>49609817
nourishing shoal

>>49609670
Him and mengucchi need to stop

>>49609817
Nourishing Shoal, it lets you exile a green card (usually Worldspine Wurm) & gain life equal to its CMC

>>49609568
It just seemed unlikely for him to go to exactly 1.

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Any modern decks that can actually use the Second best kitty?

I'd try him in Tokens but then he's actually letting the opponent get 1-1 value out of their removal.

>>49610037
mono W Death & Taxes

>>49610037
I want to brew a Mardu midrange deck with him and hero of bladehold. Both of them are pretty aggressive and out of bolt range, but so far everything I come up with has been tier 3 at best.

>>49610087
What's the red for? It's not like you need lightning bolt when you have white/black.

>>49610134
Lightning bolts finish games.

>>49610134
Well lightning bolt, Boros charm, reckless bushwhacker, legion loyalist, and new Chandra we're all cards I was trying out. I just really like Mardu colors.

>>49610238
Also terminate, dreadbore, kolaghan's command. I'm just trying different stuff to make it work

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>>49610164
>mfw triple bolting my opponent for the win

Simic evolve with hardened scales for budget pile.

y/n ?

>>49610327
budget infect is probably better

>>49610276
Speaking of using lightning bolts, the general rule is to always save it for removal unless you can end the game on this turn, right? Unless you're in a dedicated burn deck of course. I just started playing modern so I'm new to lightning bolt.

>>49610359

Yes, as a general rule, use it for removal first, then close out the game.

>>49610359
Even Burn needs to know when to save their bolts for removal. That's pretty much the biggest sequencing issue Burn faces.

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I've taken this to FNM a few times, before the LGS abandoned it for Standard & Draft.

Any obvious cards I'm missing that might fit? It's a Boros flicker deck I brewed and usually wins after the opponent decides not to read Akroma's text box.


4 Akroma, Angel of Fury
4 Blade Splicer
3 Bloodstained Mire
2 Clifftop Retreat
4 Cloudshift
4 Fiend Hunter
2 Flickerwisp
4 Lightning Bolt
3 Lightning Helix
3 Mountain
3 Needle Spires
4 Path to Exile
4 Plains
4 Restoration Angel
2 Sacred Foundry
2 Slayers' Stronghold
4 Wall of Omens
4 Windswept Heath

>>49610514
Lolol are your morphing Akroma? Pls yes

>>49610652
I think I've morphed her once or twice, it's never the main plan though. Cloudshift is the quickest way of getting her out.

>>49610697
3 + blink for Akroma is bretty cool

>>49607787
Kaiba would play Jund. Jund is about simply having the best cards; efficient threats and efficient answers in the form of some of the best removal and discard.

Malik would play eldrazi or dredge. His sister would play enchantress or dredge.

Jounouchi would play g/w little kid

>>49610652
It's pretty old tech. Cast Akroma face down, hit her with Flickerwisp, now you have a 6/6 with Flying, Trample, Protection from white and from blue, and firebreathing.

>>49610514
You might want to decentralize a bit. You're a little too heavy on the flicker plan.

A much more common method for abusing the same trick is by building what amounts to a Death and Taxes deck with just 1-2x Akroma and just using Flickerwisp and Restoration Angel to flicker it. Cloudshift isn't a particularly impressive card on its own, even with Fiend Hunter or Wall of Omens (neither of which are spectacular either), It makes it harder for your opponent to hose your gameplan when you have different gameplans, so being able to win the DnT way or by blindsiding them with Akroma makes for a more resilient deck.

>>49604555
She is decent in Jund. Very good in mirror matches and plays very well with Fulminator Mage

>>49610762
Would Yugi's Dark Magician be Snappers?

>>49610762
Joey's whole deal is playing cheap, inconsistent cards because that's all he can get. He'd have some hardcore budget jank.

>lose a game because i dont know what necropede does
fuck me

>>49610762
Joey would play whatever the jankest standard deck that came out at the time, in modern

>>49607185
whenever i play against it i hate my life, you can turn 3 infinite health scry infinite damage if they dont have removal

>>49607246
why not run both

>>49611713
Not him, but I don't need more than 3 Finks in my sideboard against Burn and Infect, which is where I pull them out.

>>49611109

monogreen stompy

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>>49610514
>>49610848
rate my shell?
4 slots are open for removal
i can't tell if i want chalice.

>>49611143
Why was someone playing Necropede?

>>49612133
When in doubt

LIGHTNING BOLT

Why Izzet prowess doesn't see alot of play in modern?

Honest question.

>>49612265
Becuase Infect and Naya burn are both better and more fun

>>49612294
You tellin me that slammin' your opponent with 20+ Double Strike+Trample Kiln Fiend on turn 3 is less fun?

I'm not buyin' that

>>49612310
We don't live in Christmasland

>>49612384
Granted i draw 2 probes in a row to grow my Kiln Fiend that big but it's easy to slam with him for 10+ with D-strike and trample on t3.

>>49612423
But removal

>>49612546
Same can be applied to infect and naya, your point?

Granted they have more ways to protect their stuff but that doesn't stop me from sideboarding Apostles Blessing just in case.

>>49612574
you realize you can mainboard that

>>49612574
Just put Kiln Fiend in Death's Shadow aggro

>>49612949
>>49612949

New thread

>>49612168
thats what tripped me up

>>49612092
where is the jank though