The magic of random mishaps

there shouldn't even be fumbles
you don't auto-fail skill checks on a 1
why are you taking critical hits away from melee characters, it's bad enough so many monsters are already immune
casters already make concentration checks every spell if you're doing your damn job and threatening them, the DCs are so low as to be trivial

do mishap tables ever add anything?
what are you trying to accomplish

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Of course i'm not completely bereft of idea's on the matter. We could make a D10 table for each level of spell from 1-9, with each level getting increasingly devastating. The more powerful the spell, the larger the drawback to failing.

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>>49573750
The skill check on con is only to act as a pseudo attack roll. nothing more or less.

And i'm adding fumble's because if something can crit it can critically fail. There is always a chance of failure due to happenstance.

As well, it already takes a crit and confirmation to actually crit. The chances of critting already are pretty low. I could take the crit limit off, but it wouldn't affect a whole lot.

I suppose i should mention i'd also add it to my creatures.

Basically, i see mage fumbling as a way to keep magic in line with melee. A large part of the issue is that a lot of the time there's no reason at all not to use magic, where-as a melee character already has a hundred and one inherent risks to anything he does, from level 1 to 20.

>>49573798
it's already there, and does nothing

why? if they would have hit with a 1, they shouldn't even be rolling

if chances of crit are 'pretty low' why are you taking them away

it won't keep them in line with melee, as you know, the ffects are far too far away
you're adding extra risks to the melee characters by giving them fumbles for no reason

also, buy lucky weapons, and check the MIC for gauntlets that give you a reroll

>>49573798
>And i'm adding fumble's because if something can crit it can critically fail.
entire separate post to ask what the logic is to this line, at all

>>49573828
I should point out, we already had the fumble system in place and no one has complained once.

And i already said i could take off the upper limit to crits anyways.

So what's actually happening is that i'm leaving the risk to melee as is and adding additional risk to casters.

>>49573851
You get a crit right? You happen to hit a spot that deals shit loads of damage, or something along those lines. But on the same train of thought, your footing can slip, your eye's could start watering, you sneeze, any number of things can happen to make you fail.

Thus, if you can crit, you can also critically fail.

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Getting back on track though, my rules for critting weren't the purpose of this thread. They were a rough outline meant to give an overview to the actual problem.

And that is a magic mishap table that's less peaky than the one's i've seen on the internet thus far.

your rules are retarded and you should not use them.

fumbles are never a good mechanic, they're not fun, nor funny. And limiting the number of crits the melee guys can get you are fucking them over for no reason

tl;dr you are too dumb to make new mechanics. Give up on life.

>>49574165
You must be a barbarian, because you have all the reading comprehension of one.

I already admitted that limiting crits was retarded and said i'd amend that.

As for the rest, once again, my players have dealt with fumble from day one, and when it does happen half of the time they are laughing their asses off.

I'm sorry if you can't handle the idea that sometimes shit goes wrong without enemy interference, but for fucks sake who made you the fun police?

>>49574261
I suppose i should also mention, this generally also only applies to attack rolls. Skill checks don't fail on a nat 1, with the exception of the amended con check in place of an attack roll.