Song of Swords: Rats in the Walls

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>>49565439
>not even any mention of burds in the OP

THEY'RE CURSED
CURSED I SAY!

>>49565439
>godendag and pole flail are both STN 7 now
Where's that peasant swerve image when you need it?

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>>49566619

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I've got an idea for CotV mass combat. Shared dice pool (called Tactical Pool) from which all members of the squad can take points for tacticool actions, coordinate and do other stuff in group. TP = Tactics (Foot) of all squad members + Tactics (Foot) of the leader (if any). It doesn't refresh automatically, only when squadmates take time to communicate and work together. Generally TP can be spend on actions involving timing, coordinated movement, distraction, aiming, shooting, positioning, etc.

For example Giving Orders lets the leader to assign TP to a single action such as taking cover, moving, shooting specific target, etc. Character receiving orders and acting on them gets +1ADR for 2 rounds to act faster in earlier phase and +X speed bonus for resolution of actions in the phase he performed his orders.
After 2 rounds or successfully executing the task this bonus is lost.

Another use for Tactical Points is active defense of squadmates with parries, blocks or pushing them from the way of danger. Moving behind the backs of squadmates using them as meatshield and cover bonus is other way to benefit from shared TP.

What do you guys think about these additions?

>>49568236
Finally, Valkyria Chronicles in tabletop form.

>>49568236
I know basically nothing about games design, but it sounds fun to me? So long as it's not bloated and overdesigned.

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>gamefinder lottery makes the recap

Clearly one of my players made this thread.

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>>49568721
You're joking, right? Infinity is literally Valkyria Chronicals in tabletop form.

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>>49566671
Thanks.

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>>49570608
way to sell me on infinity

>>49568236
how mass are we talking?
sounds more PC's commanding their own squads and less two armies meeting on a field

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>>49572053
>Kutna Hora

hey I've been there

>>49572744
>how mass are we talking?
From squad small tactics to battles between armies. Concept can be scaled up for big battles and sieges if need be.

>>49573674
Thassa lotta bones.

>>49574538
>WELCOME TO THE CATHOLIC CHURCH MOTHERFUCKER, THE CATECHISM NEVER ENDS

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Who is the bigger asshole, Eredin, or Rade Sark?

>>49575309
To gauge this, Eredin would probably need more than twelve lines of dialogue in a 300 hour trilogy of games.

>>49575309
Sark has a human side, and is pretty cool to his girlfriend. Eredin is just a dick.

>>49575309
Sark inspires love in men. In at least one man.

>>49574977
Thanks, cardinal bones.

>>49575309
Eredin is intergalactic elf Hitler. Rade is international elf Hitler.

>>49577611
>intergalactic
more like interdimensional
God. Those books got some sort of weird that I really did not foresee early on.
Fucking interdimensional alien elf eugenetic programs. I tell ya.

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>>49565916
Did coffee pioneer that helmet design or did the official art come first?

>>49577656
that dang ol diddly ol thang i'll tell ya what

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>>49577852
>did the official art come first
yes

>>49570608
I'd look into this further if all of my extra time and money weren't devoted to a different miniatures game.

>>49581590
I'm unsure. Coffee have been drawfagging from the very start of SoS.

>>49575309
Eredin and his guys are pretty much pure evil. Sark and his guys at least have some principles. Drosaico seems like a pretty upstanding guy, actually.

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Is Jimmy a legit wizard? Can I invoke him for muh sigils?

>>49584398
I think Jimmy is too young to be full fledged wizard

>>49569133
>So long as it's not bloated and overdesigned.

Why are you in a SoS thread? There's nothing for you here.

>>49584398
I cannot be a wizard, I have a sense of right and wrong.

>>49568236
I like it. I'll work on getting a system of it whipped up.

>>49586743
Prove it. Prove you are not just a scorpion perched upon out backs.

>>49584398
Suffer not the witch to live, anon

So I'm trying to work out a magic system for a more historically based fantasy game - i.e. instead of Vosca and Genosis and all that, it's actually set in France and the HRE and magic should be derived from a "real" source. Posting this here because /sos/ has always impressed me with its verisimilitudinous creativity.

The things needed for the story is that the magic of Arthur, the Song of Roland, etc was real, and then it went away. It comes back in the 1600s.

Where does it come from? Why did it leave, why has it come back? How does it work? Is it based off of souls, nature, God, what?

Feel free to ask questions, I'm just looking for some people to help me churn through ideas.

>>49587690
I still need to get around to actually reading Arthurian myth, but one thing you could do is have magic be relic-based. Like, Excalibur was actually magically empowering, the Holy Grail was sought for whatever magic properties, etc.

>>49587762
I think that object-based magic will certainly be a part, but the question is still, where do the objects get their power from?

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>>49587690
In GURPS Technomancer, magic returns to the world in 1945 when Oppenheimer accidentally casts a ritual by saying "I am become death, the destroyer of worlds" when the first atomic bomb is detonated. This allows magic and technology to exist side by side. In that setting, demons are real and people can summon demons, but no one has been able to summon an angel, or confirm that God exists by any means. It leaves it as an open question as to what that implies. Maybe you can do tha ttoo, by simplying not answering some of the deepest questions. Having something that just works, and is mysterious, will help it feel magical and not scientific, while saving you the trouble of worrying about a consistent canon.

>>49588089
I don't mind not answering some things, or having an answer but not telling everyone else, but as it is I have nothing really set in stone for me to work with.

Unfortunately I have a crushing need to develop systems instead of just going "Magic, ain't gotta explain shit"

>>49588321
Well then, what effects do you want the magic to have in the game? What's it capable of, and what can it never do?

>>49587399
Well, I can't, because I am that. Definitely. A vicious, vicious snek.

But I am not a wizard. I consider myself a Catholic Mystic--I've dabbled in some occult stuff because that's what disenfranchised 20-something alcoholics do where I'm from.

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>>49588831
>catholic
>dabbling in occultism

isn't that a sin or something

>>49588892
>known drinker
>known liar
>worried about committing further sins

>>49588831
So, a Rosicrucian?

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>>49588922
I feel like pleasures of the flesh and misleading your fellow man is a different tier of sin than dabbling in memetic blood rituals

>>49588892
The deeper theological and metaphysical mysteries of your own faith are often unorthodox, sometimes heretical, but rarely an outright sin.

>>49588922
I don't think Catholicism forbids drinking entirely.

>>49588969
except Catholicism explicitly prohibits even a belief in witchcraft

>>49588892
Not as explicitly as you'd think, but yes. I've never pretended to be a good catholic. I'll talk to a priest about it sooner or later.

>>49588952
Memetics isn't even occultism anymore, it's just applied shitposting.

>>49588993
I think you are conflating a great deal of things.

>>49589024
I think you're conflating a great deal of things yourself.

>>49589379
Oh yeah? Well I think I'm a great thing and you're conflated!

>>49589467
Well I think you're overly-inflated.

>>49589009
Why does Gizka wear that fugly cuirass instead of something more comfy? Eskarne seems to do fine without a big dumb breastplate.

>>49589024
No he's not. It's explicitly said in The CCC
http://www.scborromeo.org/ccc/para/2117.htm

>>49590009
>Eskarne seems to do fine without a big dumb breastplate.
Well, that she is a ODin could have something to do with it. Them not being able to wear metal without losing focus and receiving pain and all that.

>>49590093
And that's toned down, back in the day it was contrary to doctrine to even believe in it.

>>49590450
It still is because it talks about "abusing credulity" implying you're being an asshole just by talking to people about it.

>>49590420
I'm sure being the greatest spear fighter period also helps

>>49590009
Gizka is very nearly the peak of what a human swordsman could possibly be in terms of technique, reflexes, and agility. She still can't dodge a bullet, or avoid an arrow that she doesn't see coming, and she fights on battlefields for a living. No amount of skill can prevent an arrow from hitting you in the back during a hectic melee. Armor is a necessity for someone like her.

As for why the armor is of a cheap ugly sort--it actually isn't cheap. Her armor is very expensive and precisely fitted, but she spent extra to achieve this while making it look like ill-fitting cheap armor. That's harder than it sounds. Thus an enemy facing the Gizka Company has an additional hurdle: Any of the hundreds of goons they face could actually be Sarah Gizka in her bland, unadorned armor. You could be facing some mook, or you could be facing one of the greatest swordsmen alive.

On the subject of Eskarne--she could wear a gambeson or such, but unlike Gizka, Eskarne would actually rather die than spend thirty seconds putting one on. Too much trouble, and they're unpleasantly warm. Death usually takes less than thirty seconds. Seems like a fair trade to her.

>>49591227
>Gizka is very nearly the peak of what a human swordsman could possibly be in terms of technique, reflexes, and agility

Do you ever get tired of fapping to your waifu

>>49591355
1: No.
2: What I've said is simply true, Gizka is supposed to be the nigh-perfect CP-beast.
Not quite there. PCs should be able to eventually overcome any canonical character, but she's almost there. If she were taller, she'd probably have it in the bag.

Yet despite all of that, she could be easily killed by half a dozen guys with crossbows. There are some things against which skill at arms is no defense. Armor is your proof against missiles and unexpected blows.

>>49590520
That's not saying not to belive in magic or evil spirits and shit though. What it's saying is that using magic, any type, for whatever reason, is contrary to the faith, and you shouldn't even mention it to people.

>>49591433
I'm gonna commission porn of Gizka, just to fuck with you.

>>49591433
>half a dozen guys with crossbows
Is there any problem that can't be solved by half a dozen guys with crossbows?

>>49594966
Yes. If the problem is a dozen guys with crossbows.

>>49595029
>>49594966
Probably the Doctor Doom of Vosca is a problem you can't really fix with a half a dozen men with crossbows.

>>49594966
>>49595029
>>49595629
"A dozen guy with crossbows" confirmed as Vosca's "A hundred good men!"

>>49592463
In context credulity indicates The Church's position is that the occult, on top of being a trap for curious souls invented in hell to damn people, doesn't actually do jack shit.
After all why give people anything if they can damn themselves for free?

>>49589009
Didn't popes summon demons all the fucking time though? What kind of occultism were you getting into that was actually sinful?

>>49587919
The point of Magic is that it is not just technology.
Technology is applied knowledge, but let's be a bit stricter and say that it is applied science, as defined by the scientific method.

The fundamental dogma of empiricism is that phenomena are reproducible and follow unchanging laws.

If you want to have Magic, just make its functions and rules irreproducible and inscrutable.

>>49587762
>Excalibur
The scabbard was really where it's at.

>>49590093
"mystic" and "occult" are not synonymous
Note which Jimmy used.

>>49598212
>>49590093
Also, the doctrine you posted mentions only "recourse to demons" and other invocations through charms or baseless "traditional cures."

There is nothing forebearing the use of magic or ritual through angels, or of more inward means/ends.

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>>49597133
>The point of Magic is that it is not just technology.

QFT, I hate this "Sanderson's Laws" shit fantasy has been going through for a while now. Magic is supposed to be fucking magic, not Wacky Science.

>>49600955
>>49597133
Problem with that is that in a game it's damn hard to make rules for. And in books it can quickly make the reader feel like there's an ass-pull for every problem.

>>49600965
That's why you use magic exclusively to create problems for the protagonist.

>>49601126
>not letting people play as wizards
No fun allowed

>>49601312
That was book-writing advice, not GM advice.

>>49601378
But there are protagonists on opposite sides, and each of them has someone on their side that has magic! Their "side" is admittedly "France" or "The Ottomans" rather than "their buddy Joe the Archmage" but still.

>>49601312
I'm okay with wizards who have powers of illusion and divination. Is it enough for you or you always have to shoot bright colored magic stuff and deal damage?

>>49601758
Sometimes you can just let them explode people, ala Bayaz from The First Law.

>>49602439
You read terrible books

>>49602559
Whoa, they're pretty awesome books.

>>49602690
Nah

Well now I've been thinking about Matchlockpunk and Matchlock Magic all day. Thanks assholes.

>>49600140
I guess we're friends now because I was so excited to read this when it dropped I somehow didn't save it.

Thanks anon

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>>49600140
>fucking everything is TN 7 now
>Arming spear now as good or superior to arming sword in every single regard

LOOKS LIKE SPEARS ARE BACK ON THE MENU BOYS

>>49600140
>-2 Durability
>+25% Cost
>Worse than Steel
>Worse than Iron
I don't yet follow Song of Swords legitimately, so feel free to call me a retard, but why would you ever pick a Bronze weapon outside of it being better than nothing?

>>49603445
You're a retard. But you're right. There's no reason to take anything but regular steel unless muh roleplay or the GM setting the game in, say, Ancient Greece

>>49603445
>but why would you ever pick a Bronze weapon outside of it being better than nothing?
That's a good reason though. Your culture hasn't discovered Steel yet and produces poor quality Iron. What else would you do?

>>49603445
It's not supposed to be balanced, and not everything is allowed in all settings or games. Because somebody once said they wanted to make a bronze age game, the Opaque Boys put that in.

Same thing with guns, different armors, all the equipment in general. It's assumed that your GM isn't a doormat that allows gun kata Ninjas with magic weapons in their 1500s game.


Are gun kata ninjas possible outside of Ballad?

>>49604088
Not in anything so crunchy I believe.

So Zell whores are a given. Ohanedin, even, seen plausible. It'd be a weird set of promises but a pimp could pick up a couple of basque qts, if he played his cards right.

But how do you find a Burd bird? Could such a lady of the night even survive in the broad world?

>>49598249
All "rituals" actually call demons, all of the occult is demonic.
Angels can be asked for protection and intercession through prayers, that's it.
Mysticism is distinct from the occult but both you and Jimmy are misunderstanding how. St Therese of Avila, Meister Eickart and St John of The Cross were Christian Mystics, nothing they did could ever be misunderstood as the use of occult power.

Hey.
Sorry to interupt, but /asp/ hema is dead, /his/ hema is dead and dogshit, I think some of them were in those thread before they made a thread on asp. Anybody know where did they go ?

>>49604492
If it just could be good wrestling discussion, but it doesn't even have that...

Sorry man, don't know. I saw some hema threads here on /tg/ some time ago, but don't know if it were before or after /asp/ became a thing.

>>49604444
>Jimmy is literally a witch in denial
This may actually be the funniest thing ever.

>>49604492
All that's left is us and the historical wargames guys. It's weird to type, but /sos/ is actually an oasis of coherent historical discussion when we're not fapping to elf waifus. /his/ is fucking garbage. I can't even go there anymore, it's pure cringe. MisterMetokur makes cringe videos that contain less cringe than /his/.

>>49604444
Not catholic, but there are spells in Finnish that specifically call on Jesus and God.

I also remember reading a bunch of Finnish occult books with some rituals that call on God and Jesus as well, some even Mother Maria.

It's been years since my teenage search for power and angst, but I still remember the funniest ritual I could find.

It was the ritual to gain immortality.

>>49604607
>Send the post prematurely without telling the ritual.

Basically, you sacrifice a black cock to Saatana, cook the meat plainly, and then bless the meal in the name of the God. Apparently this makes the bureaucracy of the heaven and hell grind to halt when it comes to your soul, and you just get kicked out of both back to earth whenever you die.

>>49604597
Yes, saw that. /his/ is total shit. But I can't see the exact reasp, why it turned so bad.

A lot's of retards spewing memes history, it's a given, but what else ? Stupid nationalism like a /pol/ controlled /int/, people taking themselves too seriously and getting autistic for small shits... The clusters of peoples that don't know they don't know shit about history is shitting up everything, too. but they seem to have existed even at the beginning of /his/, when it was bearable.

Anyway. maybe you can answer me.
The thing is that I'm buying, part by part, protection for steel sparring. Got the upper torso covered (except for neck), but about the lower body... I only have a brush cutter protection for knee and shin, and a groin protector.
I Didn't get hit often on these parts, but heh, no protection at all seem a bad idea.

So, between tigh, shin, knee, and additional protection for the neck (already have the mask, and gambeson up here) what should be a priority ? Are second hand motocross protection good enough for steel sparring ? I'm a uni studient, so cost effectiveness is a big priority.

>>49604731
I think after years of people saying that /his/ would just be /pol/ with dates, no one actually went into /his/ expecting it to be good, so it just got turned into another designated shitposting board with a gimmick.

>>49604343
Zellish prostitutes are actually rather rare. Sluts are common--Zells generally have no problem banging a different partner ever night--but asking for money for sex is the Zell equivalent of blowing dogs. It's almost unthinkable. They don't even have a word for it. Zells who take that route are usually ones who grew up around humans, and they often have trouble assimilating with other Zells later, because it's just such an icky idea.

I mean you take perfectly good sex... And then you mix a filthy human idea like "money" into it. wtf Mladenka, next you'll be buying fire insurance and cooking fish before you eat it.

Ohanedin in the business are fairly rare. The ones who dwell in Iber consider their virginity to be a promise, and a common ritual in childhood is to swear an oath to that effect, meaning that a violation of that oath is a violation of their focus. There are those who just don't care, or who were born outside of that culture, but in Kartzletan in particular, it is taken very seriously. For a "proper" Ohanedin girl, becoming a prostitute would break so many oaths at once that she would essentially become mortal.

Burdinadin... Man. I don't even know. That would be a fucking weird story but it could happen.

>>49604766
Hey Jimmy, do you reckon you could do one of those 'comparing all the nation stereotypes' spreadsheets for the Void?

>>49604762
I am not being even a bit ironic when I say that /pol/ is better than /his/ in every regard. I would rather hang out with Nazis and literal Marxists than spend ten minutes on /his/. Every time I see Max Stimer's cunt face I am filled with an incredible desire to go shoot up a philosophy department.

>>49604774
I could. Perhaps I will. I still have to expand the old one to include some of the more recent additions to the SoS canon. Then again it's already too broad for convenience...

>>49604830
Just do a second row of nationalities then.

>>49604766
>That would be a fucking weird story but it could happen.
A girl's gotta get funding for those experiments somehow, right?

>>49604797
>/pol/ is better than /his/ in every regard
Aye, I've just gone there and noticed two Turkish tripfags on the first page.

>>49604852
Mind=Blown

>>49604981
T-too lewd. I can see it already. They put a Burdinadin girl up on a stage with a loose fitting cotton shirt, a blindfold, one of those toy rubber hammers and a screwdriver, and she has to fix a 400 year old Greek astrological clock while the audience throws water balloons at her.
Then she has to write a dissertation for them while they eat her carefully prepared finger sandwiches. Then she receives her research grant and kneels in front of them while they heap praise and adoration upon her while she smiles, face covered in pride and self confidence over her successful foray into the field of engineering. Then they fuck her until she can't stand anymore, because she's an elf.

>>49600965
There doesn't have to be an ass-pull, there can be rules. It just sucks if they're reducible to strict cause and effect. Inconsistency helps a lot to maintain the illusion.

Personally I feel like a great example of mysticism and magic is the Elder Scrolls cosmology. It's extremely strange, not entirely consistent, but you can understand (and more importantly, foreshadow) a method by which it could possibly work, even if we know it's false

>>49606179
Unfortunately I've never played the Elder Scrolls games. Any literary examples?

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>>49606314
Not who you replied to, and not really that versed in TES lore. But I'll try.
A common explanation for how magic seeps into the world of TES is following: (I need to cover a few basics assuming you are completely unfamiliar with TES cosmology)
Tamriel, on which all games thus far are set, is a continent on the planet Nirn which is inside the realm of Mundus, which is inside Oblivion which in turn is inside Aetherius.
One creation myth is that in the beginning there were Aedra, spirit beings. One of them was Lorkhan, who had the idea of creating a mortal realm. According to Man the ones agreeing did so willingly, and according to elves Lorkhan tricked them, since in turn to create Mundus the Aedra had to give up their own forms.
One of them, Magnus, tried to flee and tore a hole into the veil that seperates Oblivion and Aetherius. And through that comes magic.

That all is somewhat simplified, and only one of the few creation myths. And I probably got stuff wrong along the way. Good resources (imo) to get into the lore if you don't want to play the games are uesp.net and the imperial-library.info

I got the complete excavation reports of the Illerup Adal findings this week and there's some really spectacular and interesting stuff in there. Like that they found a whole lot of swords that probably used to have leather disk pommels/guards, that a number of them had asymetic cross-sections and a whole lot of really outstanding examples of pattern welding I hadn't seen anywhere else up to now.

Shame that it's all in continental germanic.

>>49606314
Literary examples of non-systematic magic?

I am not well-versed in literature enough to come with too many examples of well-executed, but completely alien magic, but one thing that works very well is giving power and influence to abstract ideas.

For one of my favourite examples of truly magical magic, I'd refer to Mage: the Ascension (boo, yes I know, the rules for it suck, and White Wolf a shit, but Ascension magick is as magical as magic can get, without being a complete asspull)

Making magick beholden to spheres is one way, but see for example mythology for other ways.
Magic is intrinsic to certain notions or things.

Asking why geasa apply their effects simply through the declaration of a vow, how the Djinn are borne of eternal smokeless fire and be enslaved by the Seal of Solomon or words of god, to ask from whence the might of Leviathan came?
These are questions of folly. It is part of their nature, irreducible.

Then there's magic which makes sense as an idea, if you don't think too hard about it. Meme magic, more or less. Purity of will giving protective effects, swords becoming hungry for blood after murdering for aeons, etc.

Think of how quantum mechanics seem like magic to the layman, despite having predictable mechanisms. The fact that we cannot reduce further (so far), the fact that things are random and out of tune with what we usually observe, this makes it alien even to a relatively educated mind.
You can just scale that up, so that instead of setting the frontier of knowledge at the level of elementary particles, you set it at what would essentially be classical mechanics.

These are poor examples, I know. But magical magic is actually really common in older stories, especially prior to reductionist thought becoming the standard.

try tvtropes

Hate to be that guy, but did anybody save the quick wound reference pdf? If somebody could post that I'd appreciate it.

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>>49609625
Here you go, lad.

>>49609712
Thanks a bunch.

I have an idea, and I can't tell if its retarded or not: I want to run a sort of dungeon crawl/STALKER style game using CotV. It would take place in a fantasy world with the usual orcs and goblins and shit, but set in roughly the 80's of our world. There would be magic, but it would be subtle stuff like making a car run better with magical lubrication/wear resistance, not lightning bolts. The STALKER aspect would come in when a 15th century city just appears out of nowhere in a formerly barren coast, and it's full of clasical fantasy style magic shit, with scrolls of fireball and all that jazz. So everyone and their grandmother heads into the area to loot the shit out of it.

I want it to be an operators operating operationally sort of game, so I think CotV should work, but I don't really know how well it would handle homebrewing owlbears and ettins and shit.

>>49610011
Look at Riddle of Steel's stats for monsters and Bovine for inspiration in dealing with 4-legged creatures like horses and dogs.

>>49608679
Ooh.

>>49604444
>All "rituals" actually call demons, all of the occult is demonic.
And everyone on 4chan is a faggot, right, right.

>>49613653
Of course.
Even the average thread will expose you to enough Faggotron Particles to turn you, and 3 generations of your descendants into turbofaggots.

>>49614896
This is fact, can confirm.

>>49616193
>>49614896
I didn't realize 4chan had been around long enough for proper generational studies to be conducted.
Or are these results from laboratory mice?

I've been tasked with creating a short Song of Swords campaign for a Japanese westaboo with a boner for the Thirty Years War (Muh Protestant warrior's code, muh pikes with over one million layers of wood grain), a girl who's really only played 3.x, and her boyfriend who once swore an oath to never throw Blue or Yellow and has stuck with it.

Throw out some plot hooks for the 30 Years War that aren't just "Go kill Protestants/Catholics/Mercenaries/Dogs in Human Guise That Call Themselves Swedes".

>>49617934
>Throw out some plot hooks for the 30 Years War that aren't just "Go kill Protestants/Catholics/Mercenaries/Dogs in Human Guise That Call Themselves Swedes".

Do you really need more than that?

Slightly more seriously...if it helps, the era of the French Musketeers took place during the TYW.

>>49617934
Your mercenary company has been routed, and you need to evade vengeful peasants and pursuing cavalry long enough to sign up with another passing company or just get out of the country.

You've heard rumors of a great stash of gold in a nearby monastery, and now plot to retrieve it for yourselves without letting the rest of your company know about it. (After all, that gold will go a lot further split four ways than four hundred.)

You are peasants, driven from your lands, your wives raped and children killed or conscripted. No more, you have sworn, armoring yourselves in the salvage of a dozen battlefields. You will have your revenge or die trying.

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>>49617934
A group of mercenaries have robbed a German village and looted its shrine to Mary. Little did they know, the town's villagers were actually devil worshippers, and the reliquary they thought was simply some image of Mary was actually a portrait of Lilith, Mother of Monsters.

The PCs were originally hired by the Church to go and destroy this village and the relic in the hopes that doing so would win back the favor of heaven for the Catholics, but now it is in the hands of a Swedish commander who ordered the mercenaries to seize it for his personal collection. Now they must go and infiltrate the Protestant ranks to either convince the commander of the heretical nature of the portrait, or to destroy it themselves.

TWIST: The Swede knows, because he is himself an occultist, and means to use the relic in a ritual to further his own ends in court. The PCs must either defeat him themselves or convince the Swedish King that one of his lieutenants is a satanist.

>>49609189
Actually, a good example is SoS's Pyromancy--at least in principle.

What you're dealing with isn't a set of hard fast rules, you're dealing with an entity that can do essentially whatever it wants. Looking at Dark Pyromancy, this includes ripping stars out of the sky and throwing them at people like bullets, or simply turning off the sun.

It doesn't make any sense, and there's no science to it, you don't add X mg of Y to a crucible and heat it at N degrees, you sell your emotions to a living spirit of flame. What does that even mean? And more, it knows when you're trying to figure it out (because it is you) and will actively fuck with you if you try. It defies study, like the dual-slit experiment but with flamethrowers.

Aggressively and consciously anti-scientific magic.

>>49617934
Go kill Finns

So, does anyone use their own setting for SoS or is it all History or Jimmy? I'd like to run a game but I have no interest in premade settings (typically) and history, while cool, invites the kind of detail neckbearding that I really just cannot stand.

>>49619768
I'm trying to write up a bronze age setting at the moment that I'll either use Song of Swords or RuneQuest for. Apart from that, I generally run historical, because I'm a History major and can't contain my autism, or Tattered Realms just because that's what my players are interested in. They really, really like Vosca as a setting. I tend to cheat, though, and set my games in time periods and places far removed from the default setting. Once I ran a game during the Jenoesan Crusades (The 1st Crusade, but with 14th century tech) and another during the Fall of Helion (Republican Rome but with more monsters). This way I can keep the general tone and background while allowing myself to fill in the huge blanks with my own imagination and stuff inspired by my reading of history. I treat Vosca like R. E. Howard treated the Hyborian Age. It's a place I can use to freely indulge in my love of history while using broad strokes and excusing a bit of fudging. Anything can exist in Vosca, depending on when and where the game is set.

>>49619768
I usually tend to run games in SoS that are based on actual time periods and events without ever getting specific. Instead I just give a broad stroke historical analogy like "Sorta French Revolution esque" or "Holy Roman Empire like." so that everyone has a fair idea of what to expect whilst also allowing me to fluff whatever I want in.

>>49619768
Had a fever dream of running mass effect using Ballad rules. It ended with ranting to God about the ending. Even in dreams, the salt is eternal.

>>49621614
Well I had a dream about massacring Japanese schoolchildren with a tank, but it was okay because they tried to trick us into genociding the Irish.

>>49621690
Damn those japanese kids and their genocidal tendencies.

>>49604731
In my experience motocross gloves are only slightly better than lacrosse gloves. If you are going full speed and someone hits your knuckles you are going to probably break a finger.

They are good for practice though

>>49623024
Guy from the 30 Years War game. The Japanese player had to be told that he can't just walk around giving people a Hitler salute because that's a big deal here.

>>49624886
日本人さん、やめとけ。ポリスさんが君のthroatをthrottleするつもり。
That is, if you guys are in Germany.

>>49624886
Just tell him to use both hands, pretend he's doing the Bonzai thing.

>>49591227
>Death usually takes less than thirty seconds.
I don't think that's actually true.

>>49594966
Two dozen guys with crossbows.

>>49597091
One pope did. If "one pope did it" meant something wasn't a sin, there'd be no sins left.

>>49604607
Those are either prayers or, if they're attempts to compel the divine, blasphemy of a most foul and ineffectual sort.

>SoS: is the dev a witch?

>>49604766
>but asking for money for sex is the Zell equivalent of blowing dogs.
Like how blowing dogs is to white women, or to other races?
>They don't even have a word for it.
Other races, then. White people have a word for it. It's bestiality.

>>49607463
There's a detail missing. The hole that Magnus tore is the Sun, but there's also lots of little holes torn by other aedra which are the stars.

>>49603445
It's also weird, because bronze isn't really lower durability than iron, it's significantly harder and, aside from the material cost, it's easier to mass produce weapons out of it.

>>49625147
banzai takashi's challenge baka-desu, senpai

>>49628522
This is some next level racism. I didn't even know that was a stereotype.

>>49604766
>but asking for money for sex is the Zell equivalent of blowing dogs.
Much more common than anyone wants to admit?

>>49631261
Someone's read their Kinsey.

>>49631775
>look it up
>about one in thirty women
Interesting, that roughly backs up my totally unscientifically collected numbers.
>twice that many men
Weird, I'd have thought it would be less.

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>>49631261
I wish that it still surprised me that so many people are sexual deviants, but 4chan has worn the edges smooth on my sense of revulsion.

But yes, the number is probably higher than the Zells would admit themselves, but Zellish society in its natural state is not terribly prone to deviancy because of the Dream. Generally the other Zells in such an arrangement will psychically pressure any deviants in their midst into conformity. Only once you get a ship that by chance has enough of these weirdos on it that they start forming the consensus themselves will you find a ship of Zell hookers.

Other Zells would look at these people much as we look at Lord Humungous's band of homo rapists. The Tesshechtites and (incongruously, to outsiders) the Dakonats both despise deviants of this sort with white-hot intensity, making it one of the very few things the two tribes will cooperate to put a stop to.

Most humans consider the thought of Zells going on moral crusades to be laughable, but it stops being funny when such an alliance rolls into harbor.

>>49632092
>a ship of Zell hookers
Tell us about the ship of Zell hookers, Jimmy. Now that you've said it, it must exist.

>>49632092
>Zells going on moral crusades
That sounds terrifying.

>>49632246
wasn't that already a thing? Some Zellish hooker who had serviced every man in the family for like 4 generations something something hooker ship in harbor something something bbeg?

>>49633452
I'm sure that was some anon's invention

>>49604731
My club doesn't use any protection beyond fencing masks for steel weapon sparring. Longswords get gloves though. Just practice control, which is what the old masters did. You don't need to swing hard enough to break a bone, just enough to leave a bruise. For gloves, make a pair of Visby gauntlets, covered in leather with no exposed rivets. The only injuries we've had in our club have been from steel gauntlets catching on peoples' skin. For lower body protection, get something for the knees, or learn to move your feet. Seriously, leg slips should be reflex, you should never be hit in your legs if your footwork is good.

>>49617934
You were killing protestants with the catholics, when your mercenary reinforcements fail to arrive because they ran into the dogs in human guise that call themselves swedes, and now you have to go rescue them

Is all magic in Vosca theurgy, or is there non-divine magic?

>>49627094
I don't remember specifically, but they were spells among others. I think the Mother Maria spell was about stopping blood dripping wounds.

Don't think Finnish spellslingers really cared about the christian beliefs, they just heard there were powerful beings called God, Jesus and Mother Maria, so they added them to the list of spirits to be called out when casting spells.

>>49634280
It seems like almost none of it is theurgy. Pyromancy is drawing power from within, and Sorcery is drawing power from natural energy.
Only Thaumaturgy involves drawing power from a foreign entity like a god.

>>49633452
That's essentially what Dahaka Andresilja I was to the Nemecek family before she finally married into the clan after Black Day, so it's canonical, but set in the past. Similar relationships probably exist, though.

The key is that it was not overt hookery even then, but the Zell equivalent of an arranged marriage. Just instead of to an individual, it was to a bloodline.

>>49637170
>Being the poor Nemecek that has to marry your father's, grandfather's, and great grandfather's sloppy seconds

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>>49637323
Hey man, just because a bowl of cheerios has had your dad's dick in it doesn't mean you can't enjoy its squeaking tattooed crunch.

The original role was as more of a tutor, because the early Krajini had no real allies, including the church. Finding someone to teach the kids how to read was genuinely hard. The Zells offered a multi-purpose reading/pillaging/sailing/fucking instructor. It just made sense at the time.

Go forward a hundred years and her instruction is really no longer useful because the Krajini court is now functional, but she has now been working with the family for generations, and knows as much or more about the country's politics than even the King does.
An additional advantage is that rebellious teenagers don't listen to their parents, but they might listen to a Zellish sloot who wakes them up at 4 in the morning on their 16th birthday and tells them they're going to Jenoesa to kill some sand people, smoke some opium and steal a bunch of horses.

These days the role is simply fulfilled by the Queen's Zellish cousins who, minus the sex (most of the time...) take the royal heirs off to burn down some foreign shit and take their stuff.

>>49637823
Hey Jimmy, besides the lack of taste for citrus, are their any other irregularities humans can inherit from having zellish parentage? Anything from having a different kind of din for a sire?

I'm mostly curious about if there's ever been a case of a zellish-born human being just sensitive enough to touch the mind of a zellislava and freaking the fuck out.

Does anyone in Chiron sing like this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vQhqikWnQCU

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>>49633677
>hurr durr protection is for fags, it's ahistorical
ARMA detected. Fuck off with your elitist bullshit
>inb4 i-i-i'm not ARMA

>>49637939
At the point where someone can interact with a Zellislava at all, they'd probably be considered a Zell even if they look like a human in all other respects. It could definitely happen though, and it would be weird as hell. Human minds work differently from Zellish ones--they have far less emotional control and more vivid imaginations. A human entering a Dream would be like a bear falling into a koi pond.

Other Din tend to have a more subdued impression on their human offspring, though it is very noticeable regardless. A human with Ohanedin blood will be unusually strong, most of the time. Women often inherit the musculature of their Dinnic parents, making them physically stronger than regular humans, though this tends to produce problems later in life, like osteoporosis and arthritis. Humans simply lack the biology to repair themselves consistently the same way Din do.

Rumors persist that people with Ohanedin blood all secretly crave human flesh, but this is probably untrue. It is known that humans with Burdinadin blood develop allergies like a son of a bitch, though.

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>>49633677
Call us when you get someone killed.

>>49639189
join BOTN or SCA if all you want to do is hit people as hard as possible with no thought to technique
Also, I'm South African, ARMA has had no influence down here

>>49637170
I think the Zellish party boat was some anon's thought upon hearing that. The idea that the crown was being manipulated by their ancestral sloot, who lives on a Zellislava full of whores and is largely untouchable.

>>49635715
>Trying to draw thaumaturgy from big g or the moon
I don't know if this is a terrible idea or the worst idea.

>>49639354
>It is known that humans with Burdinadin blood develop allergies like a son of a bitch, though.
Doomed to be a lineage of shut-in nerds because your adventuresome grandfather fucked a sociologist once.
That's pretty rough.

>>49637823
>Your hot teacher takes you on a roadtrip to the holy land to kill some infidels
>Also she's dtf

>>49641299
Living the dream right there.

>>49639629
There's only two possible ways to train. Either you hit your training partner as hard as you can, or you go without armor at all and hope the other guy doesn't do a mistake.

Clearly, these are the only two ways a human being can train fencing. Either you kill your training partners or you do not hit them at all.

If only someone could have come up with a way to protect oneself from hits from other people...

>>49642078
>there are only two possible ways to train
No. You don't have to hit a person as hard as possible with every hit. And you are not going to kill anyone if you are controlled and you're wearing helmets. Like I said, our club has been going for 20 years and the worst injury we have had was when the founder was doing armoured combat wrestling out of gladiatoria and scratched his wife with a metal gauntlet.

Aim for the head, don't hit too hard, focus on your technique, timing and distance instead of brute strength. It's safer, and cheaper, and closer to the sources.

>>49642078
I'm actually interested to see what no-protection sparring would look like. I wouldn't discount it out of hand, because that's probably what training was like for most of history. Not to say I'd do it myself, but I did notice in my days practicing with the sword that so-called "baseball swings" became less common as people increased in skill. So I might believe that at a certain point people can simply be good enough to move the swords quickly but hit with little impact.

If that anon hasn't been driven away by a fusillade of 4chan yet, perhaps he has some videos of his style of training he'd like to share? I am genuinely interested.

>>49642190
The club's taken videos of events before, but I don't know if they uploaded them to Youtube. Probably just to FB. I'll have a look

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>>49642214
>>49642190
No videos uploaded
Here's a photo of some synthetic backsword sparring, I'll try and find some of the sidesword and longsword sparring

>>49642331
>last updated 5 months ago
EDUAAAAAAAAAAAAAN

>>49642331
Yeah. Truth be told that's more or less how we did it back when I was still doing classes. We used shinai (those japanese bamboo-strip swords) though, because they were cheap. Some guy in town bought like eight million of them and they were five bucks a pop. It wasn't hard to modify them with different guards. They came in different sizes too.

Doing it with metal practice swords is pretty balls-out though.

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>>49639354
>this thinly veiled excuse to make the sexes equal statwise

>>49642434
My fencing club used a mask, a gorget, and a cup as the armor for most events. Blunted steel with rubber tips, but otherwise accurate construction, were the rapiers.
No one was ever hurt while I was there.

Then the "heavy lists" had people in full armor and baton weapons beating the shit out eachother. Some bruises, but no major injuries there.

>>49642434
Shinai are used by the guys down in Cape Town. Metal swords we use are rapier (no additional protection aside from mask and ball box, breast protector for the lasses), sidesword (same as rapier), messer (these are aluminium, but we still use masks, boxes and breast protectors) and longswords (we use gloves for these because fingers frequently get clipped when you get into the bind)

>>49633677
Isn't that how coffee got stabbed in the brain?

>>49642462
Would you like a less thinly veiled excuse? "I don't want Brianna Wu crawling up my asshole." Only one man is allowed to fuck me, and his name is Uncle Sam.

>>49642522
>>49642525
Fascinating. So wait, where are you at? Cape Town, are you our one South African fan? I saw you in the survey like two years ago.

>>49642623
I am your one South African fan, yes, I live in Mpumalanga, which is part of the former Transvaal region. I have been here since your proficiencies were the sphere grids from FFX. Release your fucking game already.

>>49642673
I've just sent your post to my subordinates, so that they know that even fucking Africa is pissed off that the game hasn't been released yet.

>>49642760
What's the hold-up at this point?

>>49642623
I'm in Indiana state, USA.

Everyone on the fencing list was expected to have the skill and discipline to land their strikes and thrusts softly, or else expected to get the fuck out. Control is a relevant skill in any athletic event.

Oh, and most people wore gloves, because really.

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>>49642434
Hema-fag here with no predisposition to tribal hate of other schools.

We use steel feders not full on blunt steel as a blunt will fuck you up at even moderate speeds.

I don't know shit about metal so I don't know why, but the feders are much more flexible and do far less damage while still being more or less the same speed and weight.

>>49642865
>skill and discipline to land their strikes and thrusts softly
To elaborate, this wasn't an at-the-door requirement. New members spent a couple months drilling, and one of the exercises involved a hanging rope.
You were to land thrusts on the rope, but to avoid making it sway.

>>49642853
A lot of it is that every member of the team lives in a different city, and most of them are now married and handling life. They're still working on stuff, but the situation in California is fucking bad. Biggest economy in the Union, but the taxes are completely out of control and it's impossible to save up money or buy property unless you're some sort of millionaire, or okay with living in Bakersfield.

I'm trying to get all the pieces back in place, but it's not easy. I've managed to finally get some deadlines set but it's hard to motivate people who aren't being paid with the vague promise of money in the future. Not everyone is a dreamer like I am.

CotV question: Would it be system breaking to add Brace [1] to rifles, for shooting on something like a bench rest or braced on a windowsill or whatever?

>>49643328
It wouldn't break the game. I would allow such a thing in my own games. In general well-prepared shooters will wreck the shit out of surprised foes. Such a rule would accelerate an existing trend. If that's what you want, go for it.

>>49642146
>our club has been going for 20 years and the worst injury we have had
That's not how fucking risk works, I'm glad you're all having a good time but please don't pretend you're being safe just because you happen to not have had a serious injury yet.

I haven't made it to HEMA for the better part of a year, but we generally practiced with steel blunts, wearing gambesons and gloves while practicing technique, helmets / fencing masks when sparring. If there's only one precaution you can take when practicing, just learn how to break a fall properly.

>>49642936
Sounds like the gayest possible way to do olympic fencing, but with more pretension

>>49642963
Could be worse. You could end up in Eureka.

>>49642963
But what do you even need people for?
I could literally have written this shit for you in LaTeX a year ago for free if you just told us what was up and that this could happen. Hell, I could even do it for you now if I got the missing parts.

I just don't understand what everyone but the artists are bringing to the table. No individual is irreplaceable, no person has anything special to offer

>>49637170
>Nemecek
This word is weird. Feels like it should be Nemeçek.

>>49642963
>most of them are now married
That'll do it. You should have prohibited this in the hiring contract.

>>49604628
Fuck that's funny. Tempted to try it.

>>49646627
do it, then when you die come back and report your findings

>>49643405
We haven't had a serious injury because we do not create an environment where serious injury can occur. You cannot get a broken bone from a sword if the sword is not swung hard enough to break the bone.

>>49649407
Because accidents don't happen, right.

You can't be so fucking dolt that you can't look around the world and see that there's a reason kendo and hema in general use protection. First of all, it makes better fighters, second, it keeps the practitioners safe.

>>49649431
Why would more protection make you a better fighter? It just makes you less averse to getting hit, meaning you get a lot more idiots who double kill. And sure, accidents happen. They happen a lot less when everyone is aware that an accident could really fuck someone up. There's another "HEMA" club out here in Centurion that practice in near-BOTN levels of protection. All they do is flail and batter at your defense, attempting to overwhelm you with speed and power, with no thought to technique, footwork, distance or timing. They don't consider getting hit, they just want to hit other people, and have had multiple sprains and even a concussion. Contrast to our group, where we have a dude with fuckin cerebral palsy that is capable of participating, and participating well because we focus on the aforementioned technique, footwork, distance and timing, rather than brute force.

>>49645800
I feel like that's what it actually is, and Jimmy's just too lazy to look up the unicode for ç.

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>>49649485
>Some other people fuck up while using precautions
>That proves that protective gear is bad

Once again this isn't how risk works, l really meant it when I said I'm glad that you're doing well but
>>49649407
>we do not create an environment where serious injury can occur
Is the hight of arrogance.

>>49649612
Nah, they just take it a bit slower. "we do not create an environment where serious injury can occur." you know? Here's a video of their unarmed stuff, to show the speed and intensity level they stick to: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P5hvODK2zW4

My apologies to the Tai Chi community.

>>49649657
xD

>>49649657
>>49649612
good jesus god it took me for fucking ever to find this video. His youtube channel has six videos. Six! And the only way I found it was going through his website that looks like it came out of the 90s.

Anyway, here's the club's founder presenting Meyer's 4th device for the longsword. The speed that he demonstrates it at is a bit slow for when we spar, but it gives a good approximation.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ipIr6ooti0&feature=youtu.be

>>49649798
>>49649657
>>49649612
http://armoury.co.za/five-fallacious-arguments-for-heavy-hitting/

http://armoury.co.za/some-observations-on-women-tournaments-and-heavy-hitting/

And another two articles.

>>49649923
Again, we aren't saying you should hit heavily. For fucks sake, you completely lost the sarcasm on >>49642078

Just to make it clear so that your mind can handle this info: You can train with your training partners well being in mind, AND wear fucking protection at the same time you massive bellend.

>>49650085
Or, you could save time, money, effort and end up being a better and safer fighter by practicing with minimal protection and emphasising control. You voluminous anal passage.

>>49650124
I give up. Your inability to see beyond your teachers dick is going to end up with someone getting hurt, and I'm just going to write this here so that you can come back, search it in the archives, and choke on it:

South African HEMA practitioner, I told you so.

>>49650182
aight

>>49649485
At the end of the day you only get good at what you do.

The manuals were written to teach people how to kill other people with swords. Something not a single one of us has or should do. This means by definition we are lesser swordsmen than anyone back then.

At this point you gave to make a decision as to how you will best replicate the conditions that the manuals were contextualized in so that you can call yourself as close as possible to the real thing. This means getting as close to real combat without someone dying.

The idea that highly controlled unarmed sparring is closer to real fighting than protected sparring with intent and intensity is just silly.

>>49650918
Except that they did not kill their sparring partners. And neither do we. Why would sparring in street clothes with feders be any different from sparring in street clothes with feders? We control our blows, same as they did back in the day. And if the old masters such as Tivo could beat all comers with their superior technique, while practicing unarmoured and with control, why shouldn't we emulate them?

>>49632610
SQUEAK.

>>49605345
Wouldn't there be a pretty strict deadline when trying to fuck a burd?

>>49565439
BAWS GIT DOWN

>>49651093
What exactly are you trying to argue? That you can train techniques from a book for a few years, walk out and be the best?

Everybody trains predominantly with a partner at low speeds emphasizing control and technique, HEMA included.

Then some places add protected fast sparring to put those techniques into practice in a more realistic fight environment.

This is exactly the same as the old masters who trained with a partner at home and killed their foes for real. Then they go back after they won and practice again based on what worked or didn't work.

It's just like martial art chi masters who train their whole life in a martial art but never actually sparred for real. Those people don't have half the skill of an MMA champ because the MMA guy knows what works in real life.

>>49651763
>What exactly are you trying to argue?
That you don't need a SPES jacket, elbow cops, gauntlets, knee guards and shin guards to be adequately protected so long as you practice properly.
>This is exactly the same as the old masters who trained with a partner at home and killed their foes for real.
No. The old masters /did not use any protection/. They wore street clothes when they sparred.
>It's just like martial art chi masters who train their whole life in a martial art but never actually sparred for real.
False equivalence, because we still spar and take part in fast paced tournaments. We just don't get injured despite the pace because we actually know how to control our weapons instead of relying on the new kid's motocross gear to protect him.

If you don't hit hard enough to break a bone, you cannot break a bone.

>>49651811
Obviously you don't need full gear to PRACTICE safely.

But you do need it to go full speed with intent to hit.

I think you are still trying to respond to the retard from before who thinks you can't swing a feder without a tank around you.

Because it doesn't really seem like we disagree

>>49651811
A quick question: How many of those competitions have your club won?

Any international success? Would you say your club is on the same level as, say, Schola Gladiatoria, the poster child of English HEMA?

Because those guys use protection. Are you saying you are better than Matt?

>>49652057
We're South African, so international tournaments are difficult to go to. Our founder has fenced multiple times with Matt Easton, and when Bob Brooks came over they seemed to fight at more or less the same level. I linked an article up above that lists some of his performance.

Locally, we beat everyone else, including the guys from Centurion that practice in full protective gear. Not badly either, their club leader is one rank ahead of me, and I rank higher than all their club members. I am rock bottom in my club aside from actual beginners. In 2018 we're all going to a big event in France (Dijon, I think?)

Good tidings, fechtfags.
Inktober is upon us and I intend to draw lots of arms and armour.
Let's try to get a SoS related thing every second day or so.

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>>49652326
better zoom

>>49652367
Coffee returns!

>>49652326
Oh good you're not dead

>>49652367
OH MY GOD COFFEE YOU CAME BACK TO US

>>49652422
>>49652403
>>49652389
You guys always warm my heart.

Now, what shall we draw for tomorrow?

>>49652454
A bit of the old ultraviolence

>>49652454
A man who is very sad about being a human when a Zell walks past him with bitches hanging off every arm

>>49652465
>>49652467
One leading to the other...?

>>49652497
obviously

>>49652403
He just did 30 days of drawing girls. Of course he isn't dead.

>>49652497
A heartwarming scene where the sad man is propositioned by a shy Zell girl!
Then everyone is happy.

Or, you know, ultraviolence.

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>>49652367
Come to my house and I will cook you schi.

>>49652631
this is turning into an entire comic...
>>49652694
careful about inviting demons and wizards into your home. they might just take you up on that.

and hwat the fuck is a SCHI?

>>49653103
It's like a meat and cabbage soup. It's great. You eat it with sour cream.
Don't ask why, it's a Russian thing. They know what they're doing.

>>49653142
>sour cream.
...
I am gonna be honest. I dont really like food.
I eat like a monk. very simple meals and not all that much.

>>49653322
man are you one of those guys, like, I have two friends who won't even try anything and only eat chicken fingers or plain cheese people

man I just don't get it food is good

>>49653505
Different strokes for different dicks.
I also cant let my food touch other food. All food must be separate and eaten in the correct order.
Crazy, I know. But it doesnt bother me so I dont mind.

>>49653679
I guess Tesla had weirder eating habits. So, shine on you crazy diamond.

>>49605345
J-jimmmmmy, this is a b-blue board. Too steamy.

>>49653142
Jimmy-sama, any news on Mixtape of Mechs?

>>49653505
Eating cheese plain is fine though. Some cheeses are best savored that way.

>>49653679
What's the correct order?

>>49652367
What a mangy, dishonorable looking group.

It's perfect.

>>49655034
I thunk he's talking about shitty generic processed cheese as opposed to a smoked gruyere or exam or something.

>>49655066
>exam
Edam.

>>49655034
potatoes (or rice) greens, meat.
Usually.

>>49655409
>saving the stuff that cools the quickest for last
Truly barbaric.

>>49655409
It should be meat, carbs and greens, in that order.

Odd question Jimjam. Some mates and I were talking--- couldn't you just post all the shit you have and need done for SoS etc into this thread and let us finish the game for you in like... a week?

>>49655937
Since half a year ago to this day I have literally gained the knowhow and a job in editing a newspaper of sorts. I could help for free on my free time.

>>49656021
>>49655937
even me, I know where to get a copy of indesign completely 100% legally and I know how to use it

>>49656021
>using since4pass
>using since4pass when you newly got it this year
>using since4pass at all off of /vip/
What is this cancer?

>>49656131
Fite me. Murame, Finland, I'm here all year.

>>49656164
Man you sure pick a lot of fights, are you okay?

>>49656131
less shitposting, more bullying Jimjam into letting us Soon ourselves

>>49604607
The fact that some finn or norsemen or black ex-slave might build a synchretism between his rituals and Christianity doesn't mean this is in any way shape or form acceptable as something Christian or even Catholic to do.
Jesuits absorbed people's traditions to convert them but they sure as hell didn't partecipate in any "Magic".
Also the fact that The Name of Jesus is being said makes it either an example of Saying God's Name in Vain (if you're generous) or Desecration (wich demons L O V E). Then again the point is moot: demons might be pleased but they're still not going to do anything for you, since by using the occult you're allready damning yourself without them needing to do anything except maybe keeping you suggestioned and convinced you're actually obtaining something while you're not.

>>49653142
Soljanka is also a good slav soup. Can highly recommend

>>49656598
>slav soup
I know they're only slavs, but isn't this still cannibalism?

>>49653142
>>russians
>>they know what they're doing
D O E S N O T C O M P U T E

>>49656684
Well, Ohanedin need to have some tasty receips, don't they?

>>49635559
>>49656553

>>49613653
Not even sure wtf you're trying to say.

>>49656699
It's you who don't know then

>>49656684
Our traditional soup for holodomors is called slavjanka for reason

>>49656995
>>epic bantz

>>49657027
Nice greentext, pussy

>>49657051
I'm rubber you're glue.

>>49657076
You are rubber, I'm dick inside you

>>49656956
It reads as a baseless statement. "All rituals call on demons" sounds like something a pope proclaimed once, and not something founded on an understanding of divine metaphysics.
I've not studied all of the nuances of all the different kinds of Christianity yet, so that's of course just the opinion of yet another faggot.

>>49655034
>>49655066
actually I typed "people" when I meant to type "pizza"

>>49657090
And I'm in your ass. Why are you assfucking yourself? Even with a condom it can't be healthy.

>>49657147
How cute. You've failed at your own game. Better luck next time, faglord.

>>49657098
Except people get obsessed or possessed when they play with the occult too much. Also, in a universe with a God that gives everything supernatural something to do, the only ones that can answer an evocation (not that they would do that) are the rebels that won't obey Him. You might not agree with Catholicism but the view makes sense in context.
Finally, it's Padre Gabriele Amorth's opinion, supporter by the CCC. As an exorcist this is his job.

>>49657162
Wha...?
I don't think our win conditions match there you crazy slav.

>>49642673
Is it true that you can cure AIDS with yams and albino blood?

>>49657228
You low energy bantz are amazing. You are compeletely out of touch with your inner Australian.

>>49655426
dont have enough on the plate for it to go cold before i finished with the others.
>>49655609
HEATHEN! HERETIC! INFIDEL!

>>49658764
fite etc.

>>49655937
Literally anyone could format this shit with the breadth of tools available in the modern day, so this is a question I too have had stewing in my mind.

I guess Jimmy just doesn't want to tell someone "no" if they make the whole thing and he doesn't like it, or doesn't want someone over whom he has no control having anything to do with the project and waiting on him, or giving credit to someone who turns out to be worse than Satan.

There's probably legal fuckery with giving out the work to a group of nonspecific people

How do you make it legal to edit it and hand it back, but not for them to publish it? And they'd have to write a license of use for Jimmy to use their edited version too

still, I think it's probably easier than it seems, and definitely faster

>From a previous thread, Jimmy mentioned the default characters for some Laser Whales adventure

Ivan Sistene. Fascist Ghoezat (Cossack) whose family was butchered by the Yikong during the Volgin Quagmire after being sold out by the Albish. Deep political commitment, but hides it well. Was discharged from the army after a head injury--the steel plate in his scalp makes wearing a helmet agonizingly painful. Only Nyashny is aware of the depths of his nationalism, but she doesn't really care. Friendly, charismatic, devilishly handsome and a born leader. Always arguing with Kane, but the two are actually good friends. Wants to reclaim his homeland and revenge himself upon the people who sold out his clan. He and Black founded Red River during a baccarat game in Desotia.


Question: Is it weird that one of these guys is literally a nazi? These guys sound more like a villain squad than protagonists. Ballad in general seems to walk uncomfortably close to recent politics.

>>49661191
>Ballad in general seems to walk uncomfortably close to recent politics.
Aha, hahaha. Oh man.

Anyway, one of the Banes in system is Nazi, so like, it's expected. Jimmy's settings run on Real Politik, not Politically Correct, plots.

>>49661191
A better question is how a Cossack convinced the Nazis not to stuff him into a gas chamber. Didn't they consider them mega-untermenschen?

>>49661371
Not all fascists are nazis.

>>49661191
You can't have 1940s dieselpunk in space without space nazis. What's unusual about it is that it's treated very neutrally, which I honestly prefer to your usual Wolfenstein America/Allies fuck yeah stuff. Maybe it's just been enough time but I've started getting really bored with cartoon nazis. Portraying them as human beings caught up in the winds of history is refreshing.

Also the character in question probably isn't a Nazi, but rather from some indiginous cossack-nationalist movement. Don't know how much historical basis that has but I seem to recall a lot of cossacks getting fucked after the war ended. That was the backstory of Alec Trevelyan from Goldeneye.

>>49661191
>Ballad in general seems to walk uncomfortably close to recent politics.
Nazis play absolutely zero role in "recent politics"

>>49661735
I dunno, I heard that Trump is Literally Hitler.

>>49661191
Jimmy said it himself, nobody would expect you to actually make a game about space nazis hunting laser whales and then play it straight, so that's exactly what COTV is.

>>49661191
>Friendly, charismatic, devilishly handsome and a born leader.
>Wants to reclaim his homeland and revenge himself upon the people who sold out his clan.
I don't see the problem.

>>49661191
Mercenary work makes for some eclectic parties, which is part of what we wanted to showcase with the Red River boys. We also wanted each of them to have something that potentially creates conflict in the party, because that's where some fun roleplaying opportunities come from.

Nyashny is a serious alcoholic with a death witch. Her suicidal behavior could easily put the party at risk or screw up a mission.

Ivan is a politically minded idealist whose beliefs could easily compromise him during an adventure.

Black is old and disdainful of technology. His ludditism could easily screw up a good heist.

Kane has the worst weakness of all: He has a conscience and is a genuinely good person, but he hangs out with a fascist, a drunken murderer and a geriatric bounty hunter.

>>49662743
What does Nyashny's Death Witch do? Brew poisons and stuff? Seems kind of out of place.

>>49662792
It gives food poisoning to anyone who eats it.

>>49662792
Mostly it causes her to make poor life choices and drive to drug stores at 1:55 in the morning.

>>49657240
no, sorry, you're fucked

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We're basically at bump limit, let's this this shit started.

What's some real spooky lore for us, Jimmy

>>49665660
>>>/his/

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So, a while ago I asked if someone had the map of Wyerth that was on the website. I found it myself now ( https://web.archive.org/web/20080915123427/http://www.theriddleofsteel.net/riddlefiles/mapBig.gif ) and was not satisfied. So, now that my copy of the book arrived, I did my best to make a good photo of the map. Some places are not readable, mostly where the map has dark colours (the city names in Yone for example are unreadable).
I can't get the page to lie completely flat, since at the bottom some of the book glue seems to hold it tighter to the page before it than at the top of the page.
But this photo is still better than any map of Weyerth that I'm aware of. That's why I thought I'd post it here, in case any one else is interested.

>>49663754
Is this a self-insert

>>49666729
Of course. Gizka is the Mary Sue, what Jimmy aspires to be
Nyashny is what Jimmy is.
No doubt in the next setting he makes, there will be a prominent character that represents what he was.

>>49666772
>represents what he was.
what, he's some sorta fleshblob on the floor now?

>>49666881
>Two year later
>Debra McSlavimess is our lead character for Mixtape
>She's a heavy drinking college dropout who's some how ended up in charge of a bunch of damaged children bombing around in mechas fuelled by philosophical conviction
>She dabbles in occultism and conspiracies and then cries about it in the confession box
>Her best friend is a skeleton held together by dark science

>>49667087
So both jimmy and coffee got a rule 63 version now, is that what you're saying?

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>>49565439
>not even the right fucking Big Boss
This thread deserves to die.