Disparaging barbarian peasants and their "knights"

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>>49560408
I'm Jean-Jacques Rousseau and I approve of this message.

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laddie... you've never split someone with an axe have yeh?

>>49560408
>Hoplites are the wealthy landowners who can afford armour and weapons
>Knights are the wealthy landowners who can afford armour and weapons

>>49560933
Hoplites would be the modern equivalent of the bourgeois rather than the nobility though. They were expected to fight, but they weren't a hereditary warrior class. Rather they were citizens first and foremost (in the most literal sence of the word).

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Only free men have the capacity to be warriors. Everything else is for slaves and women.

>>49560933
Hoplites were men who owned their own plot of land and could afford a shield, spear, sword and helmet.

Knights had fiefs to tax.

This doesn't have anything to do with traditional games. Stop cluttering up this board with your half-assed roleplay bullshit.

>>49560408
Yeah, if only weapons which Solon the hoplite would call "godlike" and massive numbers didn't make personal prowess meaningless......

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>>49561030
Can a spartan call himself "free" if he depends on his slaves and not his own hands to feed himself and his family? I don't think so.

>>49561771
>Can a spartan call himself "free" if he depends on his slaves and not his own hands to feed himself and his family?
Yeah? That's pretty much what being a free man means: not being a slave.

>>49561902
>tfw "free" men are parasites

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>>49561934
Got a problem with that, wagecuck?

>>49561030
Says the guy who marches to battle with a 7:1 ratio of helots to citizens

Fucking Dorians I swear

>>49560408
Isn't that a Macedonian?

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>>49562819
When will they learn? Too busy fuckin each other to fight

>>49562833
Nope. Maybe a Northern Hellenistic state or one of those wannabe barbarian tribes in Illyria and Thracia

>>49562833
>>49563364
Not so fast, the club of Heracles device was the symbol of Thebes, and so he's likely to be a Hoplite from that city. However, given the leather cuirass, newer style boots, and the Boeotian helmet, he's probably after the Iphicratic reforms took Greece, and perhaps in the Hellenistic period.

It's difficult to tell, as many of the Poleis in Hellas didn't replace their Hoplites with Phalangites, instead continuing to fight in the old style, so you end up with some kind of anachronistic warriors.

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>>49560408
Buddy. Buddy, I don't think you understand.

SOMEONE has to grow the crops around here, and I'm well and sure I'll outlive every one of those knights assuming the enemy doesn't make it all the way over here. See, the knights march on their stomachs. Now where do you think that food is coming from?

We depend on them for protection, they depend on us to eat. It's a symbiotic relationship.

>>49566114
>See, the knights march on their stomachs
Napoleon pls stay, France needs you more than ever!

>>49560986
>>49561325
It was possible for ancient greeks to own slaves and let those work their lands, so a lot of Hoplites would have 'fiefs'(read slave workers) to tax (read pay nothing and only feed and house).

>>49564960
You are right, that helmet design is also very typpical for Thebes

>>49566212
And ofcourse a knight and a hoplite are not the same thing, but they have a whole fucking lot in common.