Official MTG Snowstorm/Lore Thread

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Reminder that preferred spells are not actually spells your flake uses, but schools and variants of magic they know and prefer. Look at what they do conceptually, not mechanically.

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>>49539191
I'll agree with this, using a flake that I made ages ago as an example.

He doesn't summon Palisade Giants and Darksteel Myrs to give them Indestructible and Pariah respectively. It's simply an idea of the sort of magic he uses at a personal level. He is a suit of darksteel fused to flesh and he uses his magic to redirect any damage that would be inflicted on others, directing it at his own near-indestructible being instead.

I personally use the cards as another sort of flavor to give the character identity in my head, rather than THIS IS 100% THE DECK THAT THIS CHARACTER USES TO FIGHT.

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Well, time to bump using some poorly drawn comics of people's flakes.

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>>49539638
Was Vronak, Dyna, amd Newt.

Here's Ka'Koarm and Iosha.

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>>49539663
Arkhesh

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>>49539676
Messenger

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>>49539686
And finally my own, Skyre, and Murdock. I'm still brainstorming a Cala comic, and I've got a skyre comic I'll get around to eventually, but I'm still open to ideas or characters anyone would particularly like to see poorly smeared across a screen.

>>49539633
All of that is fine, but summoning creatures is still summoning creatures. This is where them being non-legendary is important: you don't summon things named Palisade Giants specifically, you summon giants that take damage for you and your allies, shielding you with their bodies.

If you don't want him to summon those things, that's what Pariah is already there for, no need for redundancy.

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I find it interesting how so many Instants and Sorceries aren't actual spells in universe, but events, actions and circumstances.

Can you make a timeline out of cards for your flakes backstory?

>>49539718
Something for Ussa might be fun, but I don't have any real ideas at the moment.

>>49539744
The issue is that people would assume that he is using it offensively, or that he isn't focusing on the obvious indestructible-pariah synergy.

So this more or less makes the point 'hey, hey, this is an idea of how this guy fights' rather than 'these are exactly the spells that he is capable of using and exactly the deck that he would play.' And I look at the cards other people select in a similar fashion. You don't need to put in every option the character would ever use or a viable deck composition, just ten or so cards that fit the sort of techniques that the character would use.

>>49539892
All of that is true. I just got the impression from your replies that your flake doesn't actually summon anything, in which case I would replace the creatures with similar spells, if I were you. There also seems to be a lot of redundancy in that spellsheet.

>>49539852
On that note, anyone know any cards about losing all your powers Metroid style?

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>>49539975
Well there's this, but I'd recommend not using it

>>49540025
Very interesting and close to what I imagined, but perhaps not quite on the mark. Maybe something that does something similar to creatures?

>>49536016
>>49530464

Welp, so far it looks like this is where Izari finally bows out. Glad she made it this far. I felt relevant for a change, at least for a little while.

Still rooting for her though.

In fact, I think she would actually win this fight. She doesn't do a lot of flying, she can handle the little stuff and the big stuff, and can keep herself healthy. Shame she's behind on votes.

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>During each round, flakes will be assigned to random opponents in single-elimination tournament fashion.
>Flakes will be treated as though they are all neowalkers in order to create a balance of power.
>Flakes with meme-levels of power will be treated as though they weren’t.
>Flakes that directly contradict lore, especially by going against or interacting inappropriately with canon characters, will be disqualified.
>Flakes that are joke or troll flakes will be disqualified. The use of silver-bordered cards in a flake’s preferred spell list automatically disqualifies them.

>During the first round, all flakes will be placed into the roster randomly. Flakes that are disqualified will give their random opponents a bye for the round.
>During the first round, flakes will be revealed in smaller groups, noting disqualifications and asking the thread if they wish to disqualify anyone else.

>During each round, small groups of flake match-ups will be revealed
>Arguments will take place in the thread and votes will be taken from the polls over which flake is likely to prevail over the other.
>After each round, the flakes that move on will be re-randomized on the roster to make match-ups unpredictable.

>Match-Up rules will treat both competing flakes in a match as though they are both forced into conflict with the other, and neither is allowed to planeswalk away until a winner is determined. Flakes will be treated as though they start with zero assisting summons and will not have prepared for this encounter.

>>49530464
Current Match-Ups

>>49536016
Current Polls

Observation: The number of votes is, in general, higher than normal.

>>49540156
I'm paying more attention to the first one since that's where all the discussion was, but it's actually gone through points in time where each flake has had the majority/been tied for the majority of the votes.

Also, I think there's so many more votes because we're finally up in the finals

>>49540280
I've also noticed people tend to vote more during the workweek than on the weekends. But the numbers are relatively even, which is nice. Time to cast my own vote, I guess.

>>49540448
Just don't make it a three-way tie, cause three-faced coins are a pain to find.

>>49540500
Nah, I'm only voting on the second poll.

>>49540500
Like any good member of /tg/ that likes tabletop roleplaying games, I have an extensive set of dice. If I wanted to, I could literally just write each of your flakes twice on a blank d6 using a dry erase marker and roll it, then wipe it off.

>>49540534
>Not using an actual d3
what are you, not a dice collector?

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>>49540548

>>49540618
"WARNING: it may contain useless parts"

Will and Gaia have time in a bottle
The is Gaia and Diomedes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Wb2nZR6qbE
I'll let you figure out who is who

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Since her figure tends to be pretty prominently mentioned, I ran Ussa's generously provided numbers into a body calculator to see if it'd be too awkward a shift from my normal way of presenting stuff and holy shit. Is she supposed to be supple or toned? I can't tell which.

>>49540548
Let's be honest with ourselves, 1d3 is basically a triagonal prism with extra, misshapen sides.

>>49540901
>supple or toned
I always leaned more towards toned, since she lives out in the wilderness all the time.

>>49540779
You should come with that label.

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>>49540901
Her bald head was irking me.

>>49541022
sic burn

>>49541028
That's fucking disgusting.

>>49541022
I should come without the "may"

>>49541068
I can make you cum without the "may".

I know that this is /tg/, but goddamn, some of you are thirsty.

>>49541156
Personally, I blame Serena.

>>49541068
I don't know, you seem to love the may mays

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>>49541164

>>49541156
Very.

>>49541164
Serena is to blame for all of our problems.

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>>49541184

>>49541198
Wow, you got a thing for anorexic chicks?

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>>49541198

Through strange circumstances, your snowflake is sent back in time, through the Blind Eternities, to a blank slate of a plane, an empty and barren wasteland. The snowflake gains all the power of an oldwalker and is free to shape and design this plane as they see fit, shaping it into whatever sort of world they desire.

>http://basiclandart.tumblr.com/

Take three images of basic lands from that link and post them in a collage, to present what sort of world your snowflake would make if they're given the chance.

Get plane-making!

>Hard Mode: Six lands.
>Nightmare Mode: Nine lands.
>Elspeth Must Die Mode: Twelve lands.

>>49541053
Friendo, if you believe I'm here to help your dick into your hand, you're gravely mistaken.

>>49541028
I always imagined her hips looking more...rounded than that.

>>49541277
>Adding lands is supposed to make it harder
The trouble I had last thread was making that list shorter

>>49541220
> anorexic
> the more proportionate representation of thick
> not blubber
Get out of here with that shit.

>>49541226
I agree. But, the pic I posted is better.

>>49541354
Take a look at that waistline and tell me that's healthy, anon.

>>49541349
I got the feeling that most people didn't take part because they were too lazy to do nine images. Three's an easy starting point.

>>49540901
>>49541028
All admit, I found that thing and tried it 3 times before I realized you "photoshopped" the boobs on.

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>>49541354
That image is shit

>>49541511
Shit, who drew that? And do you have a scan of it instead of just a photo?

>>49541369
You are comparing it to the boobs. Compare it to the head an arms. She is actually still thick, just big boobs and thighs. Mmm. Boobs and thighs. The pic I posted is actually a lot more healthy looking.

>>49541535
Gaia Anon.

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>>49541535
I keep telling Gaia to just like, go to a library and scan this shit.

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>>49541839
Dat hilt and crossguard. Odric's gives me swordboners for all the wrong reasons, too.

You know, in a couple of years people will start forgetting that Avacyn was ever a protector. They'll know she was, but when they think of her they'll only think of the madness she caused (from their point of view) and the horrors most of the angels became.
In a generation or two, her entire legacy of being humanity's protector will be forgotten by the common people.

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>>49542323
Odric is such a baller. How many other characters have literal moonsilver weapons? I can only think of angels. What a cool guy.

Serena's was more inspired by Gisela though.

>>49542417

>In a generation or two
>On an innistrad with no angels

Making a lot of assumptions there, buddy.

>>49542438
A lot of the crazier things were emrakuled and probably died in the fighting or withered up like spawn are wont to do once their titans is sealed or fucks off.
Besides, humanity has
REM
MOTHERFUCKING
KAROLUS

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>>49542417
I think that you're just trying to bait me here, but anyway.

That depends on how Innistrad goes from here, I get the impression from Thalia that she won't let that happen. If they continue to worship Avacyn and adhere to her beliefs from before SOI as Thalia and the Order of Saint Thraft did then the population at large won't forget. Of course there will still be plenty of people who resent her and the angels, there was plenty of those after the original block too.

>>49542438
Also this. Innistrad is ten flavours of fucked.

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>>49542323
>>49542427

Man, Innistrad's aesthetic is so great.

It's unfortunate that some fucking moron looked at it and said "you know what this needs? More fucking tentacle monsters."

>>49542489
>Implying Sigarda won't make the lesbian hunters into angels
>Implying Thalia won't have bizarre adventures.

>>49542507
>It's unfortunate that some fucking moron looked at it and said "you know what this needs? More fucking tentacle monsters."
4chan, everybody.

>>49542507
>Implying that cosmic horror doesn't fit the horror plane.
>>49542489
Innistrad is perpetually ten flavors of fucked. Sure, Avacyn and 2/3rds of the angels are rip'd, but an entire bloodline of vampires got stoned and Arlinn is still around, and afaik she seems to be able to keep werewolves under control.
also, how likely is it that someone's gonna take Emrakul and make a cult based around her that warps it's view of her into an angel?

>>49542561

Cosmic horror and gothic horror are both horror but they are not the same fucking thing. Eldrazi, Phyrexia, and Innistrad worked in rapid succession the first time because they were all different kinds of horror. SOI/EMN just threw them all in the blender and hit the button.

Humanity's still fucked without angels. Last I checked, the army of unkillable demons wasn't going anywhere and now Sigarda, who isn't even as strong as Thalia anymore, is supposed to power wards to keep them out?

Also, Angels and Gryffs are quite literally the only things on Innistrad that don't eat humans. The end of the cursemute means there will be no living in peace with werewolves, because Arlinn's not nearly that powerful, all bets are off with the surviving vampires, who are led by a bloodthirsty psychopath, and you can bet the mad scientists and their armies of zombies didn't learn a fucking thing from what transpired and will go on making life hell for the now severely depleted forces of good.

>>49542635
Bonus points because Sorin, who is trapped, is the only planeswalker that actively gives a fuck about what happens to Innistrad. Once again, he is the best hope for the people, but this time he really can't do anything.

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>>49542561
Let's clear some things up here:

A lot more than 2/3rds of the angels died. Sigarda's flight was the smallest flight by a decent margin, after you factor in how many of them will have died during that block there could be as few as 10 angels alive.

The Markov bloodline weren't that big of a deal as far as I can tell, they weren't as bloodthirsty as Volderans or as psychotic as Falkenrath so their death isn't a huge hit to vampire activity. However, Avacyn led an attack against Castle Falkenrath(Presumably with Flight Goldnight) and destroyed it, during SOI. That is a seriously big deal as I am led to believe that they were by far the most active bloodline, now heavily decimated and presumably without a leader.

Arlinn doesn't mean much. She can control herself but all that means is that any pack she leads she can potentially prevent from attacking humanity and maybe use it against the undead/vampires/demons. But there are far more packs that she has absolutely no control of and a lot of werewolves who have some serious resentment issues thanks to the sudden ending of the Cursemute causing them to slaughter their families in the middle of the night.

It doesn't matter how many demons died in this block, they're immortal and there is no longer a reasonable foil to them. I expect that many more humans will turn to worship them without Avacyn to put faith in, they're the only force left on Innistrad with the power to answer 'prayers'. Except maybe one moonmonster...

>also, how likely is it that someone's gonna take Emrakul and make a cult based around her that warps it's view of her into an angel?
It's already happened once before on Zendikar and they were a lot less desperate for an angel to put faith in.

>>49542635
Pretty much. Sigarda and the other archangels are several massive leagues beneath Avacyn. In 'A Gaze Blank and Pitiless' when Sigarda saw Avacyn approach she wrote off even attempting to fight or run, she resigned herself to death.

cont-

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>>49543131
Sigarda's Flight is by far the best flight to still be alive though, they have the ability to protect people even if it's a farcry from the power of Avacyn. However you must take into account all the damage to the ecosystem of Innistrad that the loss of the other flight causes:

Avacyn powered all the wards of the flights as well as granted the Cathars and Archmages their spells and abilities. Think of it like falling as a Paladin or pissing your god off as a Cleric, now you're just objectively worse than those who have never relied on magic for boons or those who haven't lost theirs, like ALL OF THE THINGS THEY FIGHT. A greatly overlooked part of Avacyn's power is that she was the Blessed Sleep there's a few sources on this but I believe the most recent was Planeshift: Innistrad.
>Avacyn was the archangel of Innistrad,revered across the plane as the source of hope, of protection, and of the Blessed Sleep—a peaceful eternity of slumber in the grave.
Now that is gone and especially without even Bruna and her flight to coral the dead there's going to be a lot more angry giests running around and a lot of very happy giestmages who are more often than not pretty unstable people.

Flight Goldnight taught basically ALL Cathars at Elgaud grounds, it's one of the reasons Cathars were such good fighters, they are taught by millennia-old beings who specialised in fighting. They were also at the forefront of demon and undead fighting. Undead especially is an issue, Gisa and Geralf and presumably Ludvic are still kicking and boy are there a bunch of lovely new corpses for them to use, imagine what fresh horrors Ludvic and Geralf can produce with Eldrazified corpses?

cont.

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>>49541277
Ka'koarm's space is a scary place
and, like, 3/5s new phyrexia apparently. I guess they know how to raise horrors there.

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>>49543131
>>49543311
In conclusion.

Thalia, her stand, Odric and REM FUCKING KAROLUS are pretty badass but they were all still around during the last absence of Avacyn and things were 10 shades of fucked then even with all the angels around and almost every demon in the Helvault.

The werewolves took a hit from the dronepack and Arlinn will hopefully make on pack into allies of humanity but they remain a serious threat.

Vampires took two massive hits with both the Markov and Falkenrath bloodline being decimated, losing their home and presumably their leaders. But only Avacyn's power has ever worked to repel them, they aren't natural beings, Sorin made Avacyn to combat them which is the only reason her symbol and power worked to repel them. As you can see in EMN's card 'Borrowed Grace' a vampire uses a holy symbol of Sigarda to defeat and Eldrazi monster, I'm sure that Sigarda only let him do that because they were allies of convenience but the point is that her symbol and power clearly is not anathema to them like Avacyn's was. The surviving vampires have very little to fear from the church with Avacyn gone.

Demons are sort of an unknown because they barely appeared in the last block. As far as we know though they're fine because they can't die and will probably find humans more eager to seek them out without angels to look up to. Something to consider though is that demons were Innistrad's answer to Avacyn, with her and most of the angels gone will many of them cease to be? I guess we'll have to wait on that one.

Undead are going to be a massive fucking problem still, perhaps more than ever without Flight Goldnight and with a huge amount of fresh corpses and no Alabaster wards to protect them. Angry Geists will become much, much more common with rampant necromancy and no Blessed Sleep.

So yeah, Innistrad got a lot, lot worse. Even with the damage dealt to both sides, the side of humans not dying definitely came out of this far, far fucking worse.

>>49543473
Wasn't the general consensus that all of the angels were moping doing fuck all until Avacyn returned?

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>>49543473
>brunette Sigarda
>not ubermensch blonde
Delete this.

Also, pic related for Thalia and Odric. Innistrad is basically permanently wrecked and they don't have an Urabrask tier bro to help them.

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>>49543630
Sorry.

>>49543473
I suppose I can't complain though now that I have TWO angel plushes.

>>49543541
No. Gisela and Bruna knuckled the fuck down and worked their asses off despite it. What DID happen is that they lost all the power Avacyn granted them by existing so they were a lot less powerful than they were with her. Just compare the new Gisela/Sigarda/Bruna cards to their old ones, there's no comparison.

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>>49541277
Given that only one of my flakes would likely make a plane under those circumstances, this is what would happen if Winifred were put through the scenario:

Predominantly swamps and wetlands. People live in these marshes and near rivers. It can be beautiful, but the far-flung reaches are quite sinister. Traveling far enough, you could find where the streams eventually end and run off to a far-flung sea. The rocks are jagged no matter where you go, but reaching any barren place takes a great deal of time. As plentiful as the trees seem to be in the marshlands, it is incredibly rare to find anything that would count as a "forest," like a needle in a haystack.

She would then proceed to seed it. The only intelligent race placed there would be humans, and there would initially be no mages. The purpose of this is to keep the world non-complex and the populous easy to handle.

The vote tally is even higher. Like, five votes higher than normal, on a busy day.

I dunno whether or not to be suspicious, but there's about an hour left if you haven't voted yet, so hop to it.

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>>49541277
There aren't really any land arts that represent what it would be. Not enough mushrooms.

Any other book/comic suggestions than Kamigawa cycle?
Any stories on oldwalkers maybe?

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>>49544160
The Dark books are really good. Can never get enough of based Jodah.

>>49544160
Artifacts cycle

>>49542528
>>49542561
He's right. The Eldrazi are pretty boring and don't improve anything.

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>>49544229
>owned The Gathering Dark for three months now
>have yet to read it
>mfw

>>49544336
I was in the same situation man. Then i read it. It was good.

I know this has probably been asked in previous threads, but does anyone have a download for the MtG font?

>>49543780
>No plains
>Rare green, the other colors with a presence are ally colors to black

Neat.

>>49544392
You mean Beleren? I have quite a few of them, yes. For making shitty custom cards that pander to my ideal Innistrad.

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>>49540143
Oh boy, a tie. Winifred and Domoyl will have a Sudden Death match at the end of the Round.

The following Flake moves on to the next Round:

>Gaia

The next match-ups are as follows:

>Phylakteos VS Joth VS Serena
https://drive.google.com/drive/u/0/folders/0Bwl7IuoVRkFxdFdBaFlJdW5SeEE?tid=0Bwl7IuoVRkFxUDZRVGVfQ1BDbm8
https://drive.google.com/drive/u/0/folders/0Bwl7IuoVRkFxZ1B2RFE5Z2JIRU0?tid=0Bwl7IuoVRkFxUDZRVGVfQ1BDbm8
https://drive.google.com/drive/u/0/folders/0Bwl7IuoVRkFxbklJWVNaMDRmMjg?tid=0Bwl7IuoVRkFxUDZRVGVfQ1BDbm8
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0Bwl7IuoVRkFxTXRKOU8yZGNacjQ/view?usp=sharing

>Narimi VS Ka'Koarm VS Andromeda
https://drive.google.com/drive/u/0/folders/0Bwl7IuoVRkFxdVFmc1d6VVMtZ0E?tid=0Bwl7IuoVRkFxUDZRVGVfQ1BDbm8
https://drive.google.com/drive/u/0/folders/0Bwl7IuoVRkFxdGYxbF9rWGJMdHM?tid=0Bwl7IuoVRkFxUDZRVGVfQ1BDbm8
https://drive.google.com/drive/u/0/folders/0Bwl7IuoVRkFxS3gxaV9wM3UxNDQ?tid=0Bwl7IuoVRkFxUDZRVGVfQ1BDbm8

DISCUSS!

>>49544628

I thought for a second Phylakteos was the Eldrazi guy and was about to say that and a lich is a random matchup that seemed perfect for maximum REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>49544628

>Izari didn't make it

Shame. I thought she really had a chance.

>>49544628
>>Phylakteos VS Joth VS Serena
The lich is a fairly good match up for Serena, if we're assuming all a neowalkers then he is nowhere near as strong as shown on her sheet and as a Goldnight angel killing necromancers and the undead is literally her job.

Im unsure about the Sphinx, she doesn't have her usual flight advantage but fortunately he isn't the kind of sphinx who has a fetish for mind magic or counterspells.

In game terms, most of Serena's best removal is exile based which is going to hurt the lich and both of them weak to wraths as they both seem to have very creature heavy strategies.

>>49544049
I'm still trying to be optimistic about it and hoping that no one is cheating for this silly contest.

>>49546572
>>49544049
I've just accepted that people ARE, in fact, this petty.

>>49544628
Andromeda again so soon? Are we already down to the quarter finals?

> Phyla:Joth:Serena
I feel like it's a no brainier who everyone is going to vote for. So, is an debate even meaningful?

> Narimi:Ka':Andromeda
Narimi is too inexperienced to face either of the two heavy aggro flakes even with enchant hate, it seems like she'd be far too slow to stop either of them from wrecking her face before Narimi had a chance to build up a countermeasure. And Ka' seems like he wouldn't be aggro enough for the angel/demon slayer. As she can build fast and end it quick with poison, putting buff counters on herself, or dealing instant damage with burning anger. Not to mention her artifacts.

>>49546975
As to the second match, I will point out Narimi is millenia old, and I don't think Andromeda is QUITE strong enough to take down Ka's horror rage machine. Hell, I'm not sure she could even generate big enough spells to take him out physically. I'll said it once and I'll say it again: Ka is basically a spell-slinging gyrados on cocaine.

>>49546975
Ka is very little if not aggro. Ka's spells are mainly fueled by rage, then accented by ambition and will. And on the matters of speed Ka'koarm's is, quite literally if you check, unnatural. The demon would have to be of the ilk of the more monstrous of innistrad's to keep pace, because Ka will always be right up in your face, and there's a whole lot of him and not a lot you can cut that will last. If you try and fly around and shoot at him, expect many of those to miss and the rest that do hit making him angry enough to rocket right into the sky after you. No steering mind, it'd be more thrustr-propelled jump, but ka'koarm will find a way to close the gap, natural or not. Most likely not.

As linked before, this is how Ka' behaves in battle
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iiKeTPL6HPk
save that he is a couple times larger.
Fighting Ka head-on is never smart, and the only flakes I was certain could do it either are out of the competition or are Gaia. If you want to beat Ka', using magics from blue, white and green that screw with emotions or magnitude of anger are ideal, because they render him unable to cast, meaning he slows, cannot regenerate, cannot counter, and cannot magnify stronk.

>>49547254
so... pacifism counters the angerfish?

>>49547254
I feel like Ka would like Rage Against the Machine.

>>49547294
actually, yes, pacifism is Ka's true hard counter in one spell. there are a couple others, but pacifism is the one that occurs to me most often. Amazing what a 2-mana spell can do.

>>49547297
KMFDM and Avenge Sevenfold, are what come to my mind first when thinking about what music K'd listen to, but I'm pretty shit-teir in my music knowledge, so there might be better matches. Probably are.

>>49547367
What is the first one? And Avenged Sevenfold is weak.

>>49547404
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pNeOSLwsSLk
as for AS, I may have only listened to about 3 of their songs, so that might be skewing my perception.

What kind of music would your flake listen to?

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>>49547716
Bloodborne OST.

>>49548138
What have you done to old yarnham, you fiend!
Those who you hunt are not beasts!

http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/magic-story/bottled-2016-09-28
Pretty meh.
Last week's was better

>>49549190
Jesus Christ, we're not even on Zendikar but we're dragged back to "MUH ASHAYA."

Slow thread today.

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>>49549566
It's 1pm, most of us are at school or work.

But I guess if we need a topic to talk about. Your 'flake planeswalks to Earth, what is their reaction. What would they enjoy most about it? What would confuse them most? What would they hate?

>>49549631
>serena finds all the porn of Avacyn

Or better yet

>Serena finds all the porn of her.

>>49549936
No answer could top this

>>49549631
They discover the flake threads

>"wtf?"

>>49549631
What would happen to Angerfish?

>>49544628
Not at my own computer at the moment, so setting up polls and links is a bit tricky.

POLLS
strawpoll.me/11322693
strawpoll.me/11322696

Where the master-charts at? I need to get up to date on flakes, been ages since i've been on.

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>>49547716
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LD0JZHMN0yk&list=PL0240B6DAC5E0A593
Easy

>>49551318
Welcome back, Forpols. You should check the repo at the top. There are literally 260+ flakes now.

>>49551427

My God, been gone for a while and you folks go full deathmatch with this. Sorry I missed it. My flake was Kolya. I'll have to step up my writefagging and get in on rounds later.

>>49551427
god fucking damn.

My flake was Sem, the mudboy.

>>49551809
I'm sorry, it had to be done.

>>49551862
you think we'll ever pay for our autism?

Man, Forpols, Kolya, AND Sem. Old anons coming back in droves.

>>49551890

As an Innistrad junkie, spooky moon left me as depressed as my flake

I'll have to come up with a reason for Kolya not to an hero at this point.

>>49551918
>I'll have to come up with a reason for Kolya not to an hero at this point.
Why? Why not a dramatic and tragic an hero story? That can be interesting too.

>>49551978

>joins the rest of plane in the gutter

Not a half bad idea. Resolution is underrated.

>>49551918
Do it, go ahead, do it.

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>>49552015
And then you can just make a new flake for the post Eldrazi buttfuck Innistrad. Or whatever else tickles your fancy.

>>49551918
Honestly, there really isnt a better time for the advancement of Innistrad fungus though. I wonder what fungus grown off of angel corpses would be like...

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>>49552034
>>49552035

Color me convinced. I'll writefag a "good" death and make a new flake.

>>49552035
Like truffles.

Afterall, /tg/ is an insatiable beast and must be fed with our imaginations.

>>49552202
poof into Karadesh, get hit by train.

>>49552210

Not mundane enough.

>Poofs into Kardesh
>gets factory job since no one else wants to employ a depressed ex-cathar
>spends 20 years laboring
>gets aether cancer and dies

>>49551918
Join the club.

>>49552355

I'm very jealous of the art for your flake. My compliments to whoever did it.

>>49551890
Invite them to the steam

>>49552588
>>49551890
What steam?

>>49552602
There is a steam group. If you search mtg waifus and lore (I think that's what it's called? Serena, correct me if I'm wrong. I can't see it on my phone.) you'll find it.

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>>49552484
Which ones? Gaia did some of them, others are done by professional artists. There's porn that others have commissioned of her too, regrettably most of it is futa.
Pic related is the best one.

>>49552602
>>49552634
'MTG Flakes Waifus and Lore' Join the chat and spam shit until someone invites you, we use steam to plan collabs and meme without shitting up the thread too much.

>>49552664

The sketches that I saw in the google drive caught my eye, first. Which upon going through the thread, seem to have been done by Gaia.

Also, obligatory lewd.

>>49539633
What font did you use?

>>49552712
Well if you join the steam group I'd be happy to share the porn if you're into Serena being sodomised by various Innistrad ladies.

Mudock Anon did the comic book style ones, he even shipped the originals to my house so I have them on my wall.

The rest are from various artist friends.

>>49552754

I'll hit up the steamgroup tonight after I get home from class. (Don't fucking end till 10 pm on Wednesdays). But I will pass on the futa; not really my thing.

Still, it's pretty damn cool that you have folks doing art for you/of your flakes.

>>49552729
Beleren, one of the official MtG fonts.

>>49552792
I really don't like futa either. But hey, some people were like: I want to pay someone to draw high quality porn of your character.

As long as it isn't something abhorrent like diapers or vore I'm not going to say no to free art.

>>49552827

Truth. Oh the woes of being popular.

Anyway, out for now folks. Thanks for welcoming me back.

>>49551265
The demon is a vronak flake right? Glad to see one of those get support, I feel like we've been a little unfair to them in earlier rounds.

>>49553010
Yes, Andromeda's a Vronak flake.

>>49552792
Let's point it out, she paid me for it, so it is not like it is all generosity...

>>49553010
She a human. But, thank you for your kind words.

Shitton of votes today, but damn near no discussion. Come on guys, post reasons, start debates.

>>49553370
I will when I'm not at work. Which will be about 1 hour from now.

>>49553370
Seriously, 21 votes but one discussion post. Either someone's fucking around with the polls or too many are being quiet.

>>49553545
Three posts about discussion, anon, not one. Cool you jets, this is just how things have been this round.

>>49553370
>>49553545
Sometimes people just don't have shit to say.

>>49553545
>21 votes
Huh. You know, that actually makes me feel a little better. I've been feeling like shit all day because I was afraid someone was cheating on my behalf on the last poll, but now with numbers just as high (higher, actually. And I've not even voted yet), then maybe it really just is that more anons are voting in these final rounds. It's a good feeling that the polls are getting more active.

You seeing these results too, Ice Age?

>>49554526
If someone was cheating, Gaia, it wouldn't be just on your behalf. Several flakes had sudden bursts in the last hour or two of voting, and I really doubt that ~4 people are showing up right near the end to put a specific flake in the lead.

Someone is fucking with the votes again.

>>49544628
As for my opinion on the fights...

>Phy, Joth, Serena
I'm reading on one of Serena's sheets that she has specific training in fighting the undead, so that's a boon for her against Joth right of the bat. On the other hand, Joth has more experience than she does in...well...in life as a planeswalker, so he is undoubtedly more comfortable with his magic than she is. He is likely a more potent caster. There is also specific mention on his sheet that the Mending did not affect his powers too much, as much of his skill was honed pre-ignition. At the same time, he is more creature focused, and Serena has plenty of creature hate. It looks like he has some lifegain and regenerate, tho, so he can probably whether the storm. Really, it comes down to timing and strategy, because this fight is very close. Meanwhile, I think Phy's greatest advantage comes from his race and intelligence. Serena has creature hate, and Joth can match Phy's creatures with his own, so ultimately his biggest strength will be his size and ferocity. And in the end, I don't think that will be enough to overcome either Serena or Joth.

>Narimi, Ka, Andromeda
I have to think more about this one to comment intelligently on it. I think the fight will come down to Narimi vs Ka. In Narimi's backstory, she is basically a super human, and was one of the 20 original humans that went around cleansing their plane of giant monsters. So she can likely handle a creature Ka's size. And her spellcasting is more focused and concise. But Ka is an engine of rage, hate, horror, and REEEEEEE. So much so that I'm not fully confident that Narimi could take him out. Maybe match him, but best him is another thing. Andromeda could probably put up a good fight with her casting (...is that Phyresis I see on her sheet? Wtf?), but she is physically outmatched by both Ka and Narimi. I have to think more about this one, but like I said, I think it comes down to Ka and Narimi.

>>49554687
It's a Vronak flake, it doesn't have to make sense.

>>49554641
Holy fuck. I just saw the actual numbers.

>>49554806
I have a feeling people are just fucking with the votes at this point to prove a point. Because the numbers are too even.

>>49554806
There are officially more votes than posters in this thread.

Ice Age help

>>49555096
Trapped in class. Will sort this out when I get home.

>>49555189
I think it's like what >>49554930 said. Most likely, someone found a way around the IP restriction, and is intentionally keeping the polls identical just to fuck with us and prove a point. I guess just cut 10 off of the count? I don't fucking know. There's no way to prove which votes are fake and which are real.

>>49555214
What fucking point, though?

>>49555732
That the votes are pointless and easy to rig? I don't know, ask whoever's fixing the votes.

>>49555753

Fair enough. Just seems like a fucking cunt thing to do.

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On a side note, I added more spells to reflect the "sleeping" theme and the whole domain thing.

(sorry about multiple posts. I kept catching mistakes.)

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Drew Ka'koarm

>>49556521
Aw! Angerfish is an angerfriend.

>>49556521
Shhh, gentle fishbeast.

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>>49551265
Okay. Okay. I'm back.

You guys see this? This is garbage.
This is more than double the previous record of votes, and the numbers lay out too specifically. Someone even got the number of thread posters to match after someone pointed it out. It also looks like the most noteworthy flakes were intentionally sat on top, which I suspect was done to stir up trouble and contempt for them.

So, you know. Someone's being a jackass for the sake of it. Either way you look at it, this voting session is certainly not valid. Honestly, I'm not mad or surprised, just a little disappointed.

What do you all think?

>>49556804
To be honest, Strawpoll as a system is just too easy to manipulate, yet I can't think of any good alternatives.

>>49556804
I'm just gonna go on record saying I JUST voted, and I voted angerfish and earthmom.

at this point in time, there are 41 votes on each poll. Double the usual amount.

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I'm willing to make really shitty MS paint drawings of peoples flakes, if anyone's interested

>>49549190
The drama of Nissa and Chandra being trapped is lost when we already know they're going to get bailed out, likely by Ajani.

Chandra/Nissa still gonna be a thing, though?

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>>49556521
I pulled out some old pencils and worked on it more.

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>>49557219
>>49556521
Ka'koarm anon is home and can barely contain his glee.
birthday's a month away and I'm already getting presents.

Also, the fuck is with the polls like goddamn. Should I vote? Or are those under quarantine?

>>49557535
I've already called those polls crushed. We're currently discussing how to move forward.

>>49557647
So...How do you think we should approach this? Just try again and hope that whatever troll is doing it backs off or gets bored?

>>49557682
I legitimately don't have any other ideas at the moment. We have to be able to get votes in a way that allows the thread to participate, so unless someone knows a more secure, easy-to-use poll method, all we can do is re-do the match-up.

While we wait for the redo, post discussions!
Who do you think will win and why?

>>49557769

I'm inclined to give Serena an edge. While she isn't the most experienced Walker there, she is an angel and trained to fight undead by some badass angel bitches.

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>>49547716
sorry for the late response, but here's some music for the angerfish.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pNeOSLwsSLk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W3Mtea_mYkA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yIQxanihxYw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oUiOylPbfV0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gkLvpt9Z3fA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PvF9PAxe5Ng
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XrJgmB83w_Q

>>49547716
>Remes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80AQW6zqP9E

>Cala
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=475g0fZNywU

>Jakrol
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJgHn7MeAwc

>Winifred
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xeXqtzusIU0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AZ9_5sGiduY

>Wyston
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pyvggL54Vw0
Note: George Whitefield Chadwick was one of the handful of important composers of his era credited with shaping music that would have a sound that was truly America's own.

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>>49544628
>>49551265
>>49556804
Okay, let's try this again. 24 Hours. Discuss and vote.

http://www.strawpoll.me/11325721
http://www.strawpoll.me/11325722

Which plane has a magic academy of some sort?

I'm gonna make a flake who went through school constantly losing in practice duels against a blue mage, and becomes forever salty.

She dedicates every waking moment of her life to either learning magic specifically effective against blue mages, or hunting down all the blue mages of the multiverse.

She'd run Red Elemental Blast, Pyroblast, Burnout, Boil, Boiling Seas, Anger, Increasing Vengeance, and Fork and Reverberate for good measure.

>>49558831
I'm sure there are some. When in doubt, make one up.

Oh, hey. A color-hate flake. I was just thinking about doing the same thing, but in blue.

>>49557133
I wouldn't say no.

>>49557133
I'm always open to art of Ussa, no matter how silly it is.

>>49557133
Fukken hit me.

>>49557219
Holy shit, you can actually draw. Not fake good draw like some, actually good draw.

>>49558831
There's one on Kamigawa, but keep in mind that most formal academies only train people to use magic in an academic way, i.e. blue.
There is also no such thing as a [color] mage, just mages whose disciplines fit a color. So your flake could have a grudge against illusionists, mind mages and the like, not "blue" mages.

>>49560423
Thank you

It's been long enough.

POST YOUR FLAKE SHIPS

>>49561985
>inb4 namefag flake 1 x different namefag flake 2

>>49561985
Iosha and Graveborn
but it's not like you think

>>49561985
See
>>49557219

Cuddles when?

>>49562035
Reminds me of that one shitty porn comic.

>>49562066
???

>>49562017
don't talk to me or my tiny planeswalkers ever again.

>>49562105
Some naked woman finds a fishlizard monster in some dungeon or whatever and gives it a handjob in hopes of not getting eaten and/or raped. There have been screenshot floating around forever.

>>49562149
Sounds hot.

>>49562183
Anyway, go ask /co/, I don't remember the name.

>>49562009
Woah. Why would you say such a thing? It is almost like people wouldn't ship flakes with others they know next to nothing about! Are you feeling well, anon?

>>49561985

Serena x Futas (we have documented proof).

Kolya X angelfu's (specifically Ariadne).

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Also, as I'm working on my an hero story, could someone drop this in the drive. I would, but I don't think I have permissions.

>>49562887
Better that we know nothing about some flakes. I'd rather that to them getting unnecessary padding and storytelling when the basic idea was literally good enough as it was. Or characters concepts that are so basic that all any further writing would do is hammer on the same points over and over again.

Gaia and Serena are examples of those respectively. Gaia was a great concept and seriously didn't need any tampering with and Serena is an angel wot is angry about Innistrad.

Sometimes less really is more when it comes to writing.

>>49563174
That's the most underwhelming +1 and ultimate I think I've ever seen.

>>49563220

That cuts deep, senpai. But yeah, you're probably right. Earlier copies had too much power creep, and I think I overcompensated.

>>49563247
Change the +1 to "target creature or player" and prevent 2 or 3, make the emblem just grant angels hexproof and humans indestructible, or one of those to both angels and humans.

>>49563210
>I don't want fleshed out worlds or stories
Ok

>>49563297
You'd be accurate if you wrote:
>I don't want characters to be fleshed-out that would either be made worse by the fleshing-out or that gain nothing from the fleshing-out.
Since you didn't, you're wrong.

>>49563313
Wrong is subjective.

Also, trial and error, anon. Trial and error.The base concept for Gaia has never changed. TThere's just more around it that sprang up from collabs with other anons, which was fun. The goal with Gaia was to explore a comcept and then, mainly, to make her world a d&d setting (which I've done.) And on the side, I got to build another world, Eöl, which has been a really fun exploration into classic tropes in myth and fantasy. Worldbuilding is my shit. And had I never fleshed out Gaia past her flake sheet, Eöl wouldn't exist and Gaia's Realm wouldn'tbe a setting I'm about to run a game in. Her class has always been worldbuilder, and through her I've built toworlds. It's been fun, even if there was some convoluted shit along the way.

So the only difference between planeswalkers and regular people are the ability to planeswalk and the resulting absurd amounts of mana they can get access to from all the travelling different lands, right?

>>49563414
>all those typos and formatting errors
Fuck this phone.

>>49563414
It is subjective but I've stated my opinion.

Funny thing is, people never actually talk about Eöl, one of the few things that sprung from the character that's actually good. Instead, it's all about the early shit that was written with Will that in my opinion, was garbage that ruined Gaia for me as a character concept.

You're welcome to disagree but I feel that you could've elaborated on the setting without going down the path that completely fucked up the character. The way you 'fleshed out' Gaia in those collabs served only to turn me off of the character entirely.

That's my opinion, I'm welcome to it and you're welcome to disregard it too. I would've liked her better if the only content written about her was the basic sheet and this is an example of how someone can like characters that they """know next to nothing about""" over characters that are fleshed out in a manner you really dislike.

>>49563486
Apparently

>>49563486
Planeswalkers are always capable of some sort of magic and planeswalkers are always capable of planeswalking.
>the resulting absurd amounts of mana they can get access to from all the travelling different lands
The concept of mana, lands and the link between them is a nebulous one. In recent fiction, WotC has decided to ignore it entirely. Jace does not show any sign that his telepathy is powered by mana or that he ever runs out of mana, nor does he draw mana that he uses to cast spells from lands. In the recent fiction, the magical abilities of planeswalkers just appear to be superpowers that they can throw about willy nilly. Which makes sense, considering that they're trying to depict MtG as more of a superhero setting than a dedicated fantasy setting.

>>49563581
>In the recent fiction, the magical abilities of planeswalkers just appear to be superpowers that they can throw about willy nilly. Which makes sense, considering that they're trying to depict MtG as more of a superhero setting than a dedicated fantasy setting.
If I ever do any writefagging, I will 100% ignore this, linking magic to mana to the land is interesting, and explains why green has ramp.

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>>49563273

Thanks for the advice. I liked splitting the last bonus in two between humans and angels. It accomplished what I was going for by having both on the field, but in a more elegant (and less underwhelming) way.

>>49563528
What can I say? I'm not particularly picky when it comes to collabs. And that was so early in the storm, that any collab was welcome.

It's all good though. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. Will was just one story in her history. Her friendship with Narimi was another. I'm still open to more. That's an advantage to having old flakes.You can shoehorn in just about anything.

PPersonally, I feel the snowstorm is kind of a drafting board for story ideas. When you get through a story or collab, you look back and see the mistakes that you made (as with aspects of Gaia and Will) so that you know what to avoid in the future. Eventually if I want, I will make a final script for Gaia's story. But for now, she's pretty much my drafting board for story ideas and notes (hence why she's so much more cluttered than my other flakes.)

>>49563486
Yes. It was different when there were Oldwalkers, but that is pretty much how it is. No longer are they powered-up god-like figures, they are just people that can traverse the multiverse; if you're not tough enough to handle it, then you get wrecked.

That being said, so many people with sparks never even become planeswalkers. The kinds of events that ignite sparks vary from person to person, but typically comes with a massive shift in the person; lots live their lives entirely normally and then die never having become Planeswalkers, so nothing "normal" would cause ignition, but rather something incredibly meaningful to the core of a person would.

>>49563624
Also make the +1 "until your next turn" else weird shit goes down.

Does worship actually do anything? To gods, to people or planeswalkers that are worshiped as such.

>>49563619
I personally find linking mana to land to be a little bit weird and clunky, when writing. Linking their abilities to mana and having mana as a resource that they can build up or run out of is totally fine for me, and I'm fine with green mages drawing mana from the land to bolster their magic, as a specific 'thing' that green mages do.

But I think it'd be clunky and disengaging if the writers had to write about which island and where Jace was drawing his mana from every time he cast a spell. It's irrelevant to the story, it doesn't really add anything to the narrative and I find it uninteresting.

On the other hand, Nissa bonding with the land to draw upon its mana to bolster the spell of its allies is much more interesting because that's her thing thematically, it serves a narrative purpose and it gives you some idea about both the land's character and that of Nissa.

So be careful about how you handle it and make sure that it doesn't become a pain in the ass to write.

>>49563726
Worship empowers Theros gods. But, besides some obscure specific circumstances, worship does nothing to empower planeswalkers.

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>>49563726
>>49563752
This. It works in a very special way on Theros.

Mind you, there's also an enchantment called Worship, but that's very different.

>>49563726

On Theros, worship is a big part of how magic flows. It fuels the Gods there in some fashion, and Gods in turn can grant boons.

In pre-clusterfuck Innistrad, faith helped power charms, spells, and invoke Avacyn's protections. There was a reciprocal relationship between humans and angels.

I don't think worshiping a Planeswalker generally does anything, though Heliod was concerned that Elspeth might be worshiped, which in turn might jeopardize his power.

>>49563726
>>49563752
>>49563778
>>49563787
>tl;dr
Faith is super-important on Theros and powers some forms of magic on planes outside of Theros (specifically that of cards with the cleric creature type) but other than that, it doesn't really have any supernatural effect.

knock on wood, seems the polls are doing better today.

>>49564557
A namefag is still winning without good reason, so it's not much of an improvement

>>49564608
People have argued for him already. Define "a good reason"

>>49564608
What is it with this rampant hatred of namefags? I really do not get it.

>>49564811
By remaining anonymous, someone that contributes something is disconnected from their work the moment it is created. Their work is judged on its own merits, not by who made it.

By becoming a namefag, you remain connected to that which you've made. Sure, you are judged according to that which you've made but that which you've made is also judged according to how you act.

Which leads to the creations of certain namefags being rather over-blown and overrated because of how present they are in the thread.

>>49564866
Yeah, but it's not as bad as people make it out ro be. Most of the active writefaggers and flake makers are namefags, so our data in said analysis of popularity is skewed. Namefagging is a double-edged sword, as others have stated. Namefagging opens you up to criticisms and/or attacks, as you are proving right now. And, to add to that, it is impossible to linger in a thread like this for very long while actively contributing content and NOT gain an identity akin to a namefag. We've seen this happen before.

Really, I think it just sounds like you are sour about popular things.

Whi gives a shit if someone likes something you don't like? Other than you?

>>49564608
Vronak is also a namefag, anon. No matter who won the fight a namefag would win. Don't be so salty.

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>>49563174
Looks like he could use an angel friend.

>>49564608
Come on now, Ka is one of the most powerful flakes in the storm. He's a 30ft monster.

>>49564994
Pretty much, even when I post in other threads with no name people still point me out from time to time. There's really no point not namefagging, it doesn't really change anything.

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>>49565048

Best kind of friend.

Though per an anon's suggestion, I did update the card to this one >>49563624

>>49565048
>angel friend
No such thing in the multiverse.

Man, I sure am glad that SLUT Avacyn is finally dead. Innistrad is such a shitty plane, and the church was the worst.

>>49565274
>t. vampire

>>49565274
To be fair in a non-offensive way, Avacyn completely spoiled a plane that was great when it stuck to its gothic horror themes, rather than suddenly transforming into ANGELS VERSUS DEMONS.

For me, when ranked by theme, it goes something like this:
Dark Ascension > Shadows over Innistrad > Innistrad > Eldritch Moon > Avacyn Restored

>>49562017
Oh, I like this. Iosha and Graveborn become a Captain Jack / Miss Elizabeth type relationship.

>>49565274
Liliana vess, go home.

>>49565312

I think it could have been implemented better, but the whole block was building up to a showdown between the Angel/Human/Church forces (for lack of a better word) and the undead/demon/evil forces on the plane.

But with all the talk about Avacyn, her power, and her role on the plane, I don't think her return could have resulted in anything other than a massive pendulum switch in terms of power, bringing it back to an equilibrium between good and evil.

SoI and Spooky moon are the two that really ruined the plane, for me. I know the argument has been made that it was a natural progression from gothic horror, but I don't quite buy it.

>>49563581
>>49563619
>>49563740
It's less to do with "they're ignoring it" and more to do with "It's clunky as fuck in writing"

They don't take the time to explain the mana thing because it'd get old if every other sentence was basically "[Character] connected to the land to charge their mana. before [action]."

They've explicitly mentioned the connecting to the lands thing twice in the past three years: Elspeth connected to a New Phyrexia plains to get the mana to planeswalk, and hated it because "Ewww, Norn" and when Ob Nixilis reignited he reconnected with all the lands and empires he conquered throughout the multiverse.

There's probably a shitton of it going on in Nissa stories too though but I'm not going through BfZ Nissa again.

>>49565410
Except vampires, zombies and werewolves had nearly no presence in that set, it was less of a conflict between them an angels and more of a conflict between them and another threat that had jumped out of nowhere. Gothic horror was swapped out for angels versus demons, not even angels versus gothic horror. And it wasn't an equilibrium, it was gothic horror getting absolutely smashed.

I understand plot progression, what I don't like is such massive mood whiplash, with the last set of Innistrad looking like it belonged in a different set. Hell, even a 'humanity fuck yeah' theme of humans defeating the darkness would be better than an angel set out of nowhere in a block where it felt totally out of place.

As for cosmic horror being a natural progression from gothic horror, I also disagree but at the same time I'll say that SOI did it fantastically while EMN over-did it to the point of being nearly as bad as AVR. The difference is that EMN was a natural progression from SOI, not a complete palette swap unlike AVR.

>>49563581
Except ob nixilis specifically mentioned drawing on ancient bonds he lost before and they mention running out of mana from time to time.

>>49565493

>And it wasn't an equilibrium, it was gothic horror getting absolutely smashed.

It was a course correction. Without Avacyn, humanity was pushed to the brink. When she returned, Humanity made up all the lost ground and returned (presumably) to the rough equilibrium that existed before she was imprisoned in the helvault.

>Gothic horror was swapped out for angels versus demons, not even angels versus gothic horror.

I'll agree in part with this, though I think demons qualify as part of gothic horror. Demons had already been portrayed as the big bad in Innistrad, though. As I said, it definitely could have been done better. The other enemies of humanity did get sidelined so that angels could fight one single enemy out of many, namely demons. You can somewhat count werewolves as included via the cursemoot, but I think your point still stands.

AVR narrowed the wide breadth of the war on Innistrad (Angels + Humans vs Demons, Vampires, werewolves, zombies, horrors, etc) to one front of the war (Angels v Demons). It was a cropped image, essentially, which I can understand was jarring.

>The difference is that EMN was a natural progression from SOI, not a complete palette swap unlike AVR.

I disagree it was a total pallet swap for the reasons above, but I get where you're coming from. I do agree, that taken on their own, SOI and EMN did flow more naturally in that the followup expanded on instead of narrowed the scope in regards to the original.

>>49565617
If anything, all that the SOI block ruined is the AVR set and the happy post-gothic-horror stage that it set up. It ruined the things that came from AVR, not the rest of Innistrad. Werewolves, vampires, zombies and spirits, all things I consider more core to the identity of Innistrad than angels, are still a thing, even if many of them are corrupted and distorted. Innistrad remains even though all of Avacyn's shit is gone and they had to undo a lot of AVR's changes to make it feel like Innistrad again.

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>>49565989
That's fair. If I wasn't such an Avacyn-fag I'd have probably enjoyed SOI but EMN took it too far. For exactly the same reason people don't like AVR, it was just not Innistrad at that point, there were a few cards here and there that reminded you it was the same plane but with all the Gatewatch and tentacle monsters it was just as alien to the plane as anything from AVR.

Really I think that AVR suffered a lot from being the 3rd set meaning that it wasn't large enough to show the resurgent angels and the released demons without sacrificing the plane's theme. The Cursemute was also definitely a mistake, it meant that any return block had to have something happen to Avacyn in order for one of the planes signature tribes to be present.

>>49565274
>Gaia tries to bait me, accidentally starts a real discussion.

>>49566087
Man, even my bait is terrible. What a failure.

>>49566087
>Really I think that AVR suffered a lot from being the 3rd set meaning that it wasn't large enough to show the resurgent angels and the released demons without sacrificing the plane's theme.

Fucking this. If AVR had been a large set, I think they could have hit all the nails in the head, so to speak, and the resurgent angels and demons would have been a natural evolution, not a focus shift.

>It ruined the things that came from AVR, not the rest of Innistrad. Werewolves, vampires, zombies and spirits, all things I consider more core to the identity of Innistrad than angels, are still a thing, even if many of them are corrupted and distorted.

Interesting. It really came down to a difference of perspective, then. My focus on Innistrad was always the human/angel centric one. The horrors were defined not as themselves, but as antagonists to humanity. For me, Innistrad was much more defined by humanity, it's culture, the Avacynian church, and the angels.

Whereas for you, Innistrad was restored in some fashion by stripping away Avacyn, it was lost for me. To me, Innistrad would have remianed more true to its roots had the angels not gone mad (or had been restored in some fashion), and fought off the new cosmic horrors which had replaced the gothic horrors.

But full disclosure, I'm a mono-white player with a hard-on for angels so I tend to look at things from that perspective flavor wise.

But hey different strokes for different folks.

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>>49566375
>I'm a mono-white player with a hard-on for angels
Hello, me.

>>49566683
>>49566375

>wing-wankers

>>49566683
>>49566375
To be fair, that's about as rare as a red player that loves dragons.

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>>49566731
fluffy hugs
>>49566683
Nice image orientation, nerd.

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>>49566731
>>49566750

kek

>>49566683

I'll have to post a few pictures of my collection when I get home. I'm glad I'm not the only insane angel faggot here. Knew I liked you for a reason, senpai.

>>49566375


Not who you were talking to, but you rustled me something bad.
I'm glad that you admitted you're mono white, because your opinion is wrong, as douchey as that sounds on my part.

Horrors were defined outside of their roles as antagonists to humans. The entire concept of werewolves is steeped within internal struggle and the duality of primal and human natures. Vampires were the embodiment of class struggle, literally feeding upon humanity like the parasite that is the filthy upper class. They also throw ridiculous parties. Geists represented the vengeful regrets of humanity, a sort of second edge to tge coin.

It's totally cool if to you, the angels and humans were more your thing. But to definitely say that's all Innistrad was really about is to ignore the bigger picture, something that every aspect of the setting contributed to. For you to not see the overwhelming influence horrors have had on Innistrad is to just ignore entire aspects of the setting you think are lame. Which is fine, just admit to it pls

>>49566826
>feathery hugs
REEEEE-

>>49566900
Yeah, they are so good, they can even calm down an angry Pepe. Truly the best.

I'm not super into angels, but fluffy hugs and acrobatic fucking pirouettes in the air are two things I love.

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>>49566869
For me it's more that Avacyn and the Flights are very deeply rooted in Innistrads flavour and lore. You can't swing a cat without seeing her symbol or a reference to some part of the church. The entire setting is contingent on the humans and their struggles against the horrors and the angels play such a massive role in humanity's functions and the flow of the world, not just as protectors.

I can understand people disliking AVR as a set but really it's not like it changed too much lore wise. Sure the angels came back with a vengeance but that was because the demons were free meaning in order to maintain the balance Avacyn got stronger thus empowering the angels. It was a sharp turn from Dark Ascension sure but after a little while Innistrad should have returned to being the same depressing place where everyone barely survives. The only reason it didn't, that we are told that Avacyn basically won the world and everyone was 1000% happy is so that SOI seems even darker by comparison. 'Cause let's face it, the only emotional parts of SOI were all cheap as fuck.

>>49566920
But anon, Pepe is a alt-right hate symbol!

>>49566869
>I'm glad that you admitted you're mono white, because your opinion is wrong, as douchey as that sounds on my part.

Nature of opinions, senpai. Don't worry about it.

>Horrors were defined outside of their roles as antagonists to humans.

Except you proceeded to define each of those in terms of their relations to humans. Werewolves represent the inner beast of mankind. Vampires are manifestations of excess and vice, from lust, to wealth, to gluttony. Horrors/abominations (Frankenstein) deal with hubris and the human intellect going to far. That is the why horror is compelling, from Frankenstein to werewolves to vampires. There are different forms it can take, to be sure, but in the end, horror is horror because of how humans react to and define it. And to what extent we see the evil inside them within ourselves. The "are we really so different" element.

>But to definitely say that's all Innistrad was really about is to ignore the bigger picture

Nah, absolutely not and I apologize for not being clear. In its entirety, both were essential. BOTH made Innistrad as great as it was. But if I had to point to one or the other and say "that one is more like the Innistrad I know" I'd go with the Avacynian church vs cosmic horrors instead of the cosmic horrors/corrupted church vs random humans.

One "simply" replaces gothic horror with cosmic, whereas the other tears the original dichotomy apart.

But once again, ideally, both should have stayed. I'd have like WotC to find a way to return to Innistrad that complimented original structure instead of tossing it on its head.

>>49567022
>But anon, Pepe is a alt-right hate symbol!
Exactly, fluffy hugs > alt-right.

>>49567041

>implying there aren't fluffy hugs on the alt-right

>>49566375
>If AVR had been a large set...
It WAS a large set. It was specifically mentioned repeatedly that they were trying to do what Rise of the Eldrazi failed at: Making the three sets play together instead of the second large set changing everything up.

>>49567066
Right doesn't deserve anything anyway, filthy capitalists.

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>>49567066
Just the Orzhov, maybe.
>>49567094
Truth. Kaladesh is our only hope, brother, we must eliminate the corrupt government and institute a transitional one for the implementation of fullcommunism.

>>49567128
Murdock, get fucked.

>>49567128

>t. goblin

>>49567080

I stand corrected on that point. Then I'll amend my position to claiming that they should have simply designed it better so that the parts that made Innistrad what it was before weren't sidelined as hard as they were.

>>49567157
Actually, >>49567094 was me. And why dont you give it a try, big boy?
>>49567128
Although, the joke is not bad at all.

>>49567197
It's funny because Daredevil's last name is Murdock. So anon was correct.

I have played Magic since Innistrad and I liked SOI and EMN. The plane of Innistrad is my favorite one and I personally feel that Eldritch Moon was very fitting flavorwise. Sure you can go on about how the plane is fucked now or whatever, but I feel like the Eldrazi on Innistrad were very nice and even fitting. Plus, we got to see the horrors humans once attempted to fight off working side by side for a single cause. Yeah, you can go on about "muh angels", but I personally am still hopeful about the plane's future.
also I really want Innistrad 3 to be about the world beyond Innistrad. Besides, Nephalia is trading with SOMEONE, and why else would people try to sail away from Innistrad in EMN if there wasn't somewhere to go?

>>49567157
Oh, she's going to.

>>49567321
Very Lovecraftian feel to the set. I thought it was very fitting to Innistrad as well. And I've been playing since Mirage and Innistrad might be my favorite block as well. And I think that's true about a lot of veteran players.

>>49567321

Eldrazi vs Phyrexhia when?

>>49567321
>why else would people try to sail away from Innistrad
To be fair, if I wasn't deathly allergic to seafood I'd sail away from that shit too, even if I thought it'd just circle me back around after a few dozen years.

>>49567613
Confirmed never ever.
but srs tho either the Phyrexians will get Eldrazified or vice versa, then the multiverse would be boned

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>>49567629
Pretty much, even if there's not other landmass it makes sense for people to think that the sea might be safer after all the shit that happened.

Really though, whether you like it or not is all opinion. I did do a massive few posts earlier in this thread about the state of Innistrad post EMN though so unless something changes I am 110% sure the plane is dead.

Obviously Innistrad is a very popular plane so it's not going to die. I feel like demons weren't always immortal, that they used to be killable but in order to balance out the plane after Avacyn's creation they gained that ability. Innistrad seems entirely about balance, Sorin was correct that Vampires were a problem but perhaps he was not correct to try and fix it himself. Demons were never an issue before Avacyn gave too much power to the human side so it stands to reason that the plane on some level tries to keep balance. Perhaps the angels will gain that ability now, reincarnating so that there is enough of them to keep the humans alive.

Just a thought. Clearly something needs to change before or during the next return block though or it will just seem like a major asspull for the plane to still be kicking a few years down the line.

Angels are just mindless vermin with wings.

>>49567879
gr8 b8 m8

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>>49567879
Please no bully

>>49567879
>Angels are just mindless cocksleeves with wings.
Fixed that for you.

>>49567951
Do you have the full collage of this angel's life? She appears of a bunch of cards, ending in Clip Wings.

>>49567750
Personally I hope that Innistrad in the future goes a bit more towards the classic kind of 1950's weird horror. I'd love to see resurgences of Invisible Stalker or weird Innistrad plays on HG Wells or Jules Verne or hell, even some of the more weird Lovecraft stuff. I want future innistrad to be pulp innistrad.

>>49567999
Her name was Isobel.

>>49567995
> Serena is just a mindless cocksleeve with wings.
Ftfy

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>>49568026
Found it.

>>49568033
We have proof.

>>49567221
that's the "joke" i was referring to.

>>49568053

Beat me to it.

Bit more detail here.

http://www.howardlyon.com/illustration-store/isobel-the-angel

I'll... just leave this here. Enjoy.

https://youtu.be/onYSNgHbbW8

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>>49568077
Not everyone is familiar with Marvel's D E E P E S T L O R E.

I thought you meant the Orzhov being alt-right was the good joke :( Curse you, unclear written communication!

>>49568097
The image there is just upscaled >>49568053

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>>49568033

>tfw that's my fetish

>>49568077
Honestly, the daredevil gif was purely coincidental.

>>49568130
The only deep thing in Marvel's lore is Mole Man.

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Underwater/Waterworld plane when? With underwater caves and plants trapping huge air bubbles and shit.

>>49568130

I meant detail on the angel herself, not the art.

>>49568053
>>49568097
>This may be the end of Isobel's story, we will see.

Angels confirmed for fine and coming back/respawning like demons now that Avacyn isn't sucking up all the white mana a dead angel leaves behind.

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>>49568247
>implying that WotC in their rage boner for anything white won't just bring her back to kill her again. Or worse....

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>>49568155

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So, I have a wording question for a custom card I am doing
> (I am in the wrong thread, but I don't see another one up)
< Is this right?
Should it be "instead and that creature's controller..."?

>>49568483
It's fine, nobody is gonna misinterpret the text on your Spunk Devourer.

>>49568506
> It is a working title

>>49568535
>working title
Something something the oldest profession.

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>>49543473
>>49542478
>Rem Karolus
Hell yeah.

>>49568856
>tfw Cathar's companion is just a smaller version of my dog
Does that make my dog a 4/2?

>>49568856
And he had cards in the original Inninstrad, too. Commenting on something about burning zombies, I think.

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>>49568980
He had five.

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Working on it more. Here, have a detail shot of some progress.

>>49569205
Also

NEW THREAD

>>49569249

>>49569249

>>49569249