How bad did he fucked up?

>>49507121
I mean, HE'S still alive. And Ulthwe's still sitting pretty more or less despite having its taint tickled by the Eye of Terror.

>>49507121
Horribly bad.

We aren't even sure what's the state of ALL the Eldar souls and Ynnead.

>>49507121
You know that trump card the Eldar have been working on for over a Millenia?

He let it get blown up by a Space Marine Sergeant.

>>49507121
In a universe that started 100 billion years ago with "Pseudo-Egyptian cancer people meet immortal space frogs...and the frogs fuck up" and is defined by endless successive people over the entire lifespan of the universe fucking things up for everyone and making the universe a measurably worse place for their infintesimal contribution, from the Old Ones, to the Necrontyr, to the C'Tan, all the way down to the modern day of people fucking up...

Eldrad scores a 7.5 out of 10 on the "I fucked up" scale measured against the entire timeline of an ill fated universe of endless fuckups.

>>49507121
On a scale of 1-10 of fucking up, Eldrad has discovered a realm beyond fucking up. He has surpassed all other Fuck-ups. He has managed to carve out his own realm of Fuck-up in the warp. His fuck-up is great, it has gained mass. His massive Fuck-up is so massive and dense, that it makes neutron stars look like balsa wood. His fuck-up is so dense that is has produced a singularity. A universe defying fuck-up. A fuck-up so great that if one were to look into it, one could see the beginning of the universe where the eldritch creator's teenaged fuck-up son dropped and broke it like the fuck-up he is, and see him put it shittily together again hoping his dad wouldn't notice, but he did and he was punished for it like the fuck-up he is, before the universe was thrown oug the window so the creator could start again. That is how much of a fuck-up Eldrad is. A 12 in a 10-point-scale of fuck-up

>>49507121
Didn't he die? Or is he back now?

>>49507121

What him did?

>>49507980
His death got retconnected, now he tried to bring Ynnead with the help of some Harlequines, but Artemis of the Deathwatch ruined the summoning ritual because it would send the Astronomican in a FUBAR state.

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>>49508023
Huh, all these lore changes must have passed me by

I think I'll stick to my cosy 4th-5th edition fluff

>>49508023
Just imagine. If Ynnead awakened, then she would have killed the Chaos Gods and then the galaxy would know peace.

Surely the death of a rfew million humans would be worth it.

>>49508189
The utter collapse of the Imperium due to warp travel becoming exponentially shittier and less reliable due to becalmed warp and no Astronomicon would kill a lot more than a few million humans. Then the Tyranids eat everyone and everything until the Crons wake up and duke it out and either way, humanity is fucked.

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>>49508225
According to Eldrad and the murder clowns, Chaos is so close winning. So either this plan succeeds or the galaxy is doomed to be consumed by Chaos.
Since the plan failed, then all is lost. Nothing can stop Chaos.

The Tyranids and Necrons could have been handled by the resurging Eldar. Now everyone is fated to be erased by Chaos.

This is the future you choose.

>>49507621
>Ulthwe's still sitting pretty

no souls.

>>49508681
>Now everyone is fated to be erased by Chaos.
Good. This galaxy is an unfortunate mistake that started bad and has only gotten worse. Let the galaxy burn, maybe the rest of the universe will have nice things happen to it.

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>>49507121
>none of the other craftworlds would go along with this plan
>so I'll do it anyways and pray that people won't fuck up my ritual even though I know for a FACT that they'll be there
>fucking monkeighs this is all your fault

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>>49507621
This. Eldrad fucked up if GW decide he fucked up, currently everything is still in the air.
If they want to keep the status quo in 40k they'll just handwave some bullshit excuse about the souls coming back with no problem. If they decide to change it, because of Eldar being redesigned, 40k entering actual End Times, rebooting 40k, or whatever might happen, then they will just say the souls fucked off and now the Eldar are doomed. Or they decide Eldar have to survive somehow, so they'll just claim that the souls managed to actually form Ynnead and he is now coming back.

>>49508681
The Emperor can still stop Chaos. As long as humanity evolves and he can resurrect himself. Which can actually happen really fast if the Omnicopaeia somehow works.

>>49508770
I would rather say that you just pointed out how shitty the writing is. His actions make no sense, at least not for an ancient, supposedly wise seer.

>>49509027
>His actions make no sense, at least not for an ancient, supposedly wise seer.

They do though.
He saw one good end, and thought that the risk was worth it.
If he won then good times, if he loses then the doom of the Eldar gets closer, as it would have done anyway.

>>49509139

It is shoe-on-head stupid. This isn't about Eldred, it's about GW writers being literal retards.

>>49509139
I am sorry but no. The Ynnead was not just an aspect of Eldar culture. It was, as a poster described, their trump card.

I could understand if, after weighting the odds, asked for help, probably receiving some, after long discussion, by the whole eldar race.

But this deathwatch bullshit? Sorry is too cheap. Is like the whole "everybody killed an Avatar of Khaine" thing.

Is dumb, cheap, anticlimatic, and makes Eldrad look like a senile asshole.

>>49509323

Yes, but also: H'DURR SPESS MEHRENS!!1

>>49509323
>I am sorry but no. The Ynnead was not just an aspect of Eldar culture. It was, as a poster described, their trump card.

Which is why Eldrad was trying to play it.
From Eldrad's point of view it was either win or explode or definitely wither.

>>49509323
>It was, as a poster described, their trump card.

Fuck sake. Death Masque says that only a few Eldar beyond Eldrad, Iyanna, and some Harlequin troupes belive in Ynnead.

The overwhelming majority of the Eldar race believe that Ynnead is just a myth. Read the nook before complaining.

>>49509323
The vast majority of the Eldar didn't believe in Ynnead. Eldrad was largely considered radical for holding that such a being could be created or that the Eldar should even want such a being to exist. Hence why he is performing the ritual alone except for a few believers and the help of a troupe of Harlequins.

But yes I agree that Deathwatch somehow finding out about it and being able to interrupt what would have been Eldrad's Magnum Opus is kinda bullshit.

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>>49509601
Not to mention that Eldrad plan revolves around stealing a crystallized seer from every Craftworld and then using them to suck th souls from all craftworlds to a single spot.

It's very risky.

>>49507121
I've been out of the loop for a long while. What happened to the greatest Farseer?

>>49510041
Death Masque involved him doing some ritual that would have awakened Ynnead, if Spesh Muhreens had not shat up that plan.
No one knows right now what the exact aftermath of the debacle is, but retards here like to spout that the Eldar are all now doomed and their infinity circuits are now all empty, despite GW saying nothing of the sort.

We'll have to wait and see what happens.

>>49510167
>despite GW saying nothing of the sort.

But they say that in Death Masque.
Eldrad takes all the souls out of the infinity circuits and tries to make Ynnead but it all blows up.

>>49510218
Yes, but it doesn't say what happens after that.
We don't know where those souls went.
Knowing GW and their love of Status Quo, they returned back to their craftworlds.

>>49510167
>despite GW saying nothing of the sort.

Have you read Death Masque? The Eldar souls were stored on the sands of the crystal moon. The crystal seers that were used to draw the souls to the moon from the Craftworld and the moon itself exploded.

Now tell me what happens to Eldar souls If their soulstones are destroyed?

>>49510248
>We don't know where those souls went.

To Slaanesh.

>>49510288
>>49510271
You niggers realize that would mean that the Craftworld Eldar are dead as a faction?
GW obviously won't retcon them, so that result is out of the question.

>>49510248
>Knowing GW and their love of Status Quo, they returned back to their craftworlds.

Shut up please.
The whole point of the thing was the gamble, it would be a gamble if they got to keep all their chips after losing.

Besides which, if you actually read the story you'll see that their ways to the moon from the Craftworlds were destroyed.
The Eldar are not necessarily doomed, there was the one bright spark left, but things are supposed to be much bleaker and the Craftworlds fucked.

>>49510305
That depends if GW wants to progress the setting past Death Masque.

>>49510321
>The Eldar are not necessarily doomed,
Yes, they are.
If the souls from the infinity circuits are gone, the CWE are dead. Their craftworlds cannot function without those souls.

>>49510360
>Yes, they are.

No, because as I said there's a little spark of hope that leapt away.
Craftworlds being fucked would be a big stride forward in story telling, but Eldar do not need to cease to exist just because they are gone.

Eldar without Craftworlds is like High Elves without Ulthuan, a big change but doable.

>>49510417

Wrong.
Eldar without their craftworlds, are dead as a faction. They have nothing left. Nada, zero, fucking absolutely nothing, but scrambled fleets of ships that can't get anywhere, because they rely on the webway gates on their now non functional craftworlds to move about.

Craftworlds house all their industry, their civilians, their culture, and last vestiges of their history. Without them, they are DEAD. There will be no more Eldar children being born, no more warriors or weapons being made, nothing. It is a GG, you lose situation for them, from which they have absolutely no chance of recovering.

If we compare how fucked the imperium would be if Terra was lost to chaos, it is still nowhere near as fucked as the Eldar are without the craftworlds.

GW has two choices with the Death Masque conclusion if they wish to stay true to previously established lore. Either return to status quo with the souls somehow returning to their craftworlds, or squatting the Craftworld Eldar.
The third option of course, is a retcon solution where the infinity circuits and the souls within suddenly weren't absolutely critical to the operation of the Craftworlds and the Eldar can go on just fine without them.

No matter how you look it, GW fucked up.

>>49510597
>Without them, they are DEAD

No, they're really fucked in the narrative.
But unless the failed ritual caused literally every Eldar to die then their story can continue.

>>49510597
You misunderstand the eldar. The craftworlders are a fucking tiny fraction of the eldar race.


By far the vast majority are the dark kin, infesting the webway in disturbing numbers. Then there are the harlequins and exodites who aren't large in number but are still fine.

If the craftworlds end, they'll probably all move into the webway or to the exodite worlds or both.


Besides that, where the fuck did you get the idea that losing the souls from the infinity circuit would cause the craftworlds to lose power? They don't consume souls as fuel, the infinity circuit is a psychic structure that keeps their souls safe from Slaanesh, the craftworlds have fucking massive solar sails which power them.

>>49508225

Boo hoo the Tau manage fine without the warp

>>49510679
If the conclusion of Death Masque is what people imply it to be (all Craftworlds lose their infinity circuits, and go dark), it means that the only story the CWE will have is them all dying of relatively soon, without being able to do shit about it.
The civilians in the now dead Craftworlds are all left for death, which reduces their small population even further and the loss of all their infrastructure means that the surviving Eldar would consist of scattered military forces with equipment they cannot hope to replace.

It is a GG, you lose situation for the Craftworld Eldar, from which they cannot recover.

>>49510711
I was talking specifically about the Craftworld Eldar m8.
I am well aware about the Deldar etc, but the ritual and it's conclusion did not concern them, so they are not part of the topic.

Death Masque itself states that the Craftworlds are all left floating dark in the void.
I never said that the Souls power the Craftworlds, but it is vital to the Craftworld's continued operation. They work as a wast repository of knowledge, operate countless number of the craftworld's systems as well as provide massive amount of psychic power to the Craftworld.

Without the souls, the Craftworld Eldar are left aimless and weak, without their ancestors and their only triumph card against Slaanesh. But Death Masque also flat out states that all the Craftworlds go dark too. As it is, the ending of Death Masque basically kills off the Craftworld Eldar.

>>49510900
The Tau didn't rely on a power supply that suddenly went 'poof'

>>49510945
>reduces their small population even further

Does not matter in the slightest.
Number of Eldar in the galaxy = ???
If 99% of ??? died then we'd still have ???.
Now from a narrative sense having the vast majority of an already small race suddenly die puts that race in a very dire situation, and that's fine. As long as GW will that there are Eldar around then there will be Eldar.
Even if all the Eldar on all the Craftworlds died then there would still be Eldar in ships, Eldar in the webway, Eldar on planets at the time of Craftworld death. So even if every Eldar on the Craftworlds died you can still have the faction exist as these last few ??? struggling for survival in a suddenly much more hostile galaxy, or adapting to a new way of life.

Gw is posting converted models in core codex now in cults lizardmen aos book felt like a final hoorarr its different to all other aos books like a rushed job IMO exodites will happen with lizardme dino spru reboxings just like deathwatch and possibly resin adon parts even with fw in stores tests happening with blisters making a resin thing fit snugly on a dino is easier than digging up old cad files for possibly a different 3d suite. Im guessing new eldar will be exodites but with a chaos edge orwild edge. If wood elf's are going to go tree robots then edlar could go native but with high tech shit and harliquij and de detachment flare. I think de might stay unique but I'm guessing fw will take them over but I think eldar are getting total recall level reboot coursares and de are outside the lore harliquins will get scared and stick around the main army. Most of the de line looks like modern models it jsuy has shit rules I think if a army has about 60-80 models of respectable quality it stays unique but I'm guessing De could go full chaos for new kits and stuff I think they want to unlock opotunities and making eldar to be built as chaos or good guy seems a good way to increase chaos and demon player sales just like gene cult let's all the IG players upgrade or now ally in nids. I think GW is gunning for a 4 faction future imperials eldar chaos and xenos (orks will merg with necrons just you wait for funny robot loots and dark magic orks its going to happen how much cooled would a work be riding a necron death waggon. Oh tau exist. Honestly tau where richpriestslu ideas for gates of antaries he dreamed of a imperium 2.0 but for xenos because he was getting sick of branding. The tau will never expand but combining orks or new xenos races under them makes sense I could even see a tau necron mirg if sales are really that bad from the tomb king fluff tau need more edge ork need more evil and necron need more of a mad scientist vibe to vibe ATM spru necron look best

>>49511170
For craftworld Eldar I'll say 100 billion total across a thousand or so craftworlds and colonies

Sounds large but its still just ten hive worlds population

>>49511197
That post was painful to read.
2/10, made me respond.

Imperial chaos xenos and eldar are the 4 grand alliances of 40k if you can't tell. And chaos is very small and getting shrunk into alternate kits for SM via HH so the likelihood of new chaos faction or dudes that arnt just CSM but like ultra new chaos warriors and leave the old chaos players to keep kitbashing and buying chapter house vs a new eldar army seems likely for 8th. Skinny ninjas vs rebooted chaos as a single faction with truly infested marines that are 40mm would work gw knows they can't copyright chaos so they have tovompleatly redesign that entire factions look it's why they where so lazy on traytors hate chaos doesn't sell models IG doesn't sell models hence GBE cults get their shit and Orks and eldar dont sell models the old solution was a pissweak new unit or heavy now its a entire new fluff and army or in the case of chaos faction overhawl. I'd imagine chaos that's combined with deamons (to actual stop AOS crossbye (yes I know) and basically have these new warriors that are so huge so mutated and so demonic that the time line has gone forward and that time a bunch of marines got spikes is no longer a big deal so stop buying chapter house and buy this 40mm army of fuck off crazy dudes and renegades and IG stuff because the IG players buy Victoria mintaures any way hell chaos demon orks might be the new main force of chaos who knows they did chaos dwarfs chaos space orks would solve afue problems and the FW line for orks is good so a redesign won't hurt pure orks. Remember how demon and crazy the orks are in beast rises. Nuthing spells timeline in 40k like CSM becoming a chapter in the SM book (to encourge you to ruin your models with converting and diversify your collection one you "got every thing) gw is smart they know the attachment o players stops them buying new stuff but special new rules and ways of using half of your old stuff increases sales hell look at the new deamon princes they look sksven or orky and way more organic and xenosable

>>49510218
Actually it said he tried to channel a few crystal seers through them according to the lexicanum. Didn't say anything about consuming the souls.

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>>49507121

he fucked up bad, he fucked up HUGELY we aren't talking a emperor sets lorgar straight level fuck up, or a fulgrim picking up a daemon sword fuck up, or even a Eldorath Starbane see's a great victory and doesn't bother to check who's it is level fuck up

We are talking Magnus/Silent King levels of fuck up here

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Making chaos grab a bunch of xenos beast and send them into battle is a great way to diversify the lines and if a bunch of evil works drink too much blizzard water theyvsn join too and converted what is a boring and lifeless army CSM into some thing demonic and metal and mad hell beastmen from aos too. Gw is experimenting things are about to get fun the truth is the ork and eldar and tau lines are fine but sub factions splinter groups chaos that's a way to sell new books that use as many old models as possible in fun new ways and also to make fun rage in the good way inducing new kits of impossible combinations that make you go you know what I want yo collect every thing not just pick a faction and hardly hobby. I'm thinking chaos orks vs rebooted eldar in new starter set but if you guys haven't got the hint thy are trying smaller starter sets because they like 7th alot and prob only want 8th when they work out how to do some thing new you havet done before with phones. AR and maybe headphone Jack lazer range finders and weird only in app calculations for wild special optional advanced effects is totally coming beacuze they want that digital app with everything and also the game because selling some one a codex or ability mid game is their endgame oh snap. The idea of casting phone only effects that are more complicated ad also just running the game streamlined on your phone for faster games and reorganising it to optimise that style of play not the read a remember they have now that turns off alot . GW want 8th to be more fun than Dow3 and how that game is going for war3 clone is so strong and how the same engine coh2 its using is so suckass and generic and lacking direct control of units that gw could possibly make a edition of 40k that has the best of apocalipse scale and the best of necromunda scale all in a app assisted hell while still having a system usable by tabletop only but for them it might actually be designed to be slower when you design one rules.

>>49511419
>according to the lexicanum

Read the fluff direct.
The Seers are used as conduits for the souls to pass from the Infinity Circuits to the crystal sands of Coheria.
The souls are all put in the sand then the Space Marines wreck shit and the crystal seers explode, destroying anyway for the souls to return to the circuits.

But her TLDR

Chaos orks
Herek admech has necrons
New eldar is dope DE become front line books merg paint that DE yellow and red and blue now.
CSM squatted new chaos codex more demonic has packs of wild xenos tames and new csm become a alternative look to SM not new rules and the new new csm are half deamons now huger on 40mil harder to make third party for because covered in crazy computer generated shapes possible ork or xenos beast warrior inclusion

Also repackaged lozardmen dino sprus with resin exodite bits included totally happening the fw in gw stores blisters they trailing is getting g ready to mor thous small resin upgrade parts nuthing big and heavy as the shipping will ruin their margins. Eldar is going to be huge I'd expect a SM sized codex uniting all of them and reusing a lot of the de plastics but some options and then big off huge tall scary nredar among them If you want to play newdar horde buy up DE army's cheap now as they will just reuse thous plastics and build mad big tall eldar new kits for a elite army. It'd how it is gene cults only have mass troops because they are what we get isntesd of gaurdsme because they have given up making a copyerightable gaurd and just gave us gears of war dudes instead and let fw do the gaurds men and make fun of flashlights . also a good way to squat slaneesh in 40k is make it lead eldar now and explain all the badass looks and de as core. Sorry guys eldar ain't going to be nobal much longer once people loose their immortality they get mighty desperate edgy new impossible to make converted bits for armor and sexh girls. Sisters won't come but slanesh eldar united might be enough for you sickos. Sisters all got eaten in the renegade and cult hordes of 6th and 7th. Sorry guys game representation and balance is fluff

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>>49511197


Sweet black fucking Sabbath this stream of consciousnesses shit thats spewing out your mouth is making me wanna drink bleach and wash it down with fucking fertiliser.

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>>49510167
Ah. I haven't been browsing many 40k threads since the Iyanden supplement. Good to see that Eldar are still suicidally retarded.

>>49511468
>or a fulgrim picking up a daemon sword fuck up
That worked out great for Fulgrim, though. And in the end, things working out great for Fulgrim was pretty much Fulgrim's entire motivation for picking up the sword in the first place.

>>49511938
why do eldar always feel the need to add filler to a conversation?

>>49509514
And the overwhelming majority of Eldar should know that believing and embodying something empowers it, doubly so with fucking warp entities like gods.

>>49512093
The overwhelming majority of Eldar are dumb. Don't underestimate that quality of theirs.

>>49512070
Because they are above just getting to the point and being productive.

>>49510711
>The craftworlders are a fucking tiny fraction of the eldar race.

According to what? Craftworlds incorporate massive cities and self sustaining ecosystems and there are dozens of them ranging in size. Commoragh is colossal itself but it is the Craftworld Eldar who patrol the galaxy and help colonize and defend the Maiden Worlds. I'm pretty sure it's them who have been stated to be the majority

>>49509323
>Ynnead was not just an aspect of Eldar culture. It was, as a poster described, their trump card.
Ynnead was essentially a cult idea in the Eldar. The bulk of their race did not believe in it. Eldrad and his little cult of personality were the only ones putting serious stock in the idea.

That's largely why he didn't bother collaborating with the other craftworlds.

Of course you'd have to wonder why the other eldar trust and respect Eldrad so much considering how short sighted and reckless he seems to be. But then you remember that the eldar are all kind of dumb so whatever.

>>49512309
I dread that they probably got a new level of purple prose in their love poems
>>49512363
Considering he must be reaaaaly old, they instaly assume he must be very wise. It seems they forgot senility is a thing.

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Eldrad has got him self a fuck up streak.

where's the fluff link so i can read it myself?

>>49510360
> Craftworlds cannot function without souls.
They can.
They were merchant vessels before the fall, and creating the infinity circuit simply brought the whole psycoreactive crystal network to a higher function

The infinity circuit was an addition, not the core of the original vessel. Its also why they use solar sails to gather energy by staying around stars every once in a while.

>>49516456
Actually, the Death Masque lore says that Eldar fleets will be crippled and the Craftworlds will be rendered to inert husks.

>>49516481
haven't read Death masque, is it a recent novel?

either way, that goes against The Path trilogy as well as The hand of Asuryan in terms of describing the integrity of a craftworld, so it's either the writer being a retard, or the ships are going to be permanently crippled by other means than the lack of an occupied infinity circuit

>>49516507
Death Masque is an Eldar vs Deathwatch boxset which features this new lore.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ur12p4Cvs0U

>>49516541
oh, that box.
I saw it in store and completely ignored it since it was just another shitty moneygrab boxkit,

imo most of the boxkit and the lore/sceanario that comes with that gw puts out are sketchy at best when compared to purely fluff based novels.

I mean come on. 4 full novels to one short blurb in a new box they put out to sell eldrad's new model for as much money as they can?

shit, they don't even have the clown car in there so the harliea are gonna be awful to keep unless you already own assault vehicles.

The Space Marine on Avatar of Kaine K/d alone should've fucked Eldar by now.

They are used by authors who care not for them at the behest of those who have a poor grasp on the lore ("we're a model company!"). What isn't ignored or ret conned will lack lasting impact

>>49508681
This is pretty bullshit, back in 2003 chaos where the underdogs doing the unexpected and breaking expectations.

Now they want to turn it into fucking end of times 2.0 with a bunch of fucking wanking. I dont like this.

>>49516507
It's gave thorpe, what did you expect?
He says things such as "because plot demands it"

>>49516768
his eldar novels have been pretty damn solid. especially in going into the background setting of how the eldar work that doesn't get covered at all.

his other works are indeed fuck ups but you can't shit on the logistics of the aforementioned seriea.

>>49516456
The modern craftworlds are far greater than the merchant vessels they were originally.
They have been built up in size, and complexity, and the infinity circuits are very much critical to the modern ones.

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>>49516744
>I dont like this.
as does everyone who was playing back in '03

Are you ready for non-interactive plots and being told how unstoppably awesome chaos is? Because that's what's going to happen.

>>49516813
> modern craftworlds
hence why I mentioned the path novels and the first pheonix lords book.

Of course they expanded and became bigger, stacking towers and capillaries to accomodate an increasing population. And the circuits still don't function as a "remove this to cripple ship". They don't go completely useless because there are no souls in the crystal matrix.

Eldar vehicles, including the craftworlds use soulgems and souls, and in this case, the infinity circuit as an addition that- as I've said previously act to act as a sort of an upgrade to the base systems.

this whole discussion is like suggesting machines will stop working if you "kill" the machine spirit

>>49516870
Death Masque states that the Craftworlds were left crippled without the souls of the infinity circuits.

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>>49516870
>this whole discussion is like suggesting machines will stop working if you "kill" the machine spirit

Are you suggesting that they don't?
Because that's heresy. Machine spirits are what keep the holy machines of the Omnisiah working.

>>49516890
and 4 or more 300+ page novels released by black library by different authors state otherwise.
???

>>49516896
cogboy pls go

>>49516929
>and 4 or more 300+ page novels released by black library by different authors state otherwise.

Irrelevant.
According to Death Masque, Eldar Craftworlds are now dark, dead husks because they lost the souls of their infinity circuits.

So basically, GW fucked another faction so Chaosfags can wank about it.

Lets quote the book.

>At the climax of the ritual, every craftworld would be temporarily plunged to darkness, left as a husk with hope of Eldrad's success anchoring it to its former glory.

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>The cataclysmic effects of such an explosion would cripple Eldar fleets across the galaxy and throw countless Imperial fleets off course in the uncaring tides of the Warp.

>>49517020
No Chaos were involved in this event.

>>49517050
>ha ha he he, I guess Slaanesh won again in this m8, you know, since chaos is an inevitable force that can only win in this hehe

>>49517069
Slaanesh did nothing. It was just marines vs Eldar.

>>49507999
The story of Death Masque ends with Eldrad dooming the entire Eldar species. Infinity Circuits are sucked dry, wraith constructs fall down, and craftworlds grind to a halt because he siphoned off all the Eldar souls to attempt to create Ynnead. A Deathwatch kill team crashed his party, ROFLstomped his Harlequin bodyguard, and shot him at the pivotal moment of the ritual, forcing him to use a bit of power to defend himself (like pulling your finger out of a dam to catch a ball).

Like every piece of 40K lore goes, Death Masque ends with "Shit's fucked, yo."

>>49517097
A shard of Ynnead was born then fled into space. There is still hope!

>>49516953
>Hand of Asuryan is less relevant than a scenario restricted fluff made up to sell a new box
shiggy diggy.

>>49516833
I feel this all started because Chaos got its shit kicked completely in at every Black Crusade event GW held and got pissed that the bad guys weren't winning.

>>49517164
>Black Crusade event GW

There was only one and Chaos won it.

>>49517182
Imperium won the space war, Chaos won the ground.

So Imperium won.

>>49517196
Nope.

All what's written is that the Imperial fleet stopped Chaos from pouring endless reinforcements into Cadia which prevented the planet from being fully overrun.

Cadia still got kicked around and Chaos still has its foothold there. The EoT ended with a Chaos victory but Chaos didn't achieve all their objectives.

>>49517216
>what is exterminatus

>>49517222
Something that the Imperials won't consider on Cadia being without the Pylons, the Eye will grow out of control.

>>49517216
>Chaos won it.
>Nope.
uh, no you're actually wrong. Chaos had a foothold on several planets, but their fleets were completely destroyed. Including the total destruction of one blackstone and the forced disengagement of the other.

It was essentially a stalemate. I'm not sure why they decided to retcon it.

>>49516788
The Last Chancers books were pretty good. Colonel Schaeffer and his wacky sidekick Kage bumbling their way through the Tau was a fun read

>>49517235
Literally virus bombing.
Sure it won't stop the Nurgle fucks but you can't have everything

Doesn't matter though, none of it's canon anymore anyways.

>>49517086
>implying Chaosfags care who was actually visibly involved
>implying Chaosfags don't love taking credit for other shit
There's going to be a Tzeentch JUST AS PLANNED posted before long, just you watch.

>>49517258
>uh, no you're actually wrong. Chaos had a foothold on several planets, but their fleets were completely destroyed. Including the total destruction of one blackstone and the forced disengagement of the other.

Nope.

I read the White Dwarf. Andy Chamber said it was a Chaos victory. Now admit you are wrong.

>>49517269
Nice strawman.

>>49517304
>I read the White Dwarf
That's wonderful dear. The campaign was split between 40k, epic, inquisitor and bfg.

I'm sure you're aware of the other set of results in BFG annual, but are ignoring them because it doesn't suit your headcanon.

>>49517346
The campaign results were posted on the White Dwarf and they said it ended with a minor Chaos victory.

You dismissing me because for some reason you see your headcanon as above what the devs wrote.

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>>49517390
picture related.

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>>49517459
>because for some reason you see your headcanon as above what the devs wrote
it's almost like you're ignoring shit because it would mean being wrong on the internet

>>49517495
You

see

>>49517216

You are not posting anything that I didn't already say.

EoT ended with a Chaos victory and establishment of a foothold in Cadia. The fleet just prevented Chaos from total crushing victory.

>>49516637
There is a starweaver/voidweaver in there, friendo. it's quite value for money.

>>49507121
Eldrad had the option of either finishing the ritual to summon Ynnead and dying in the process, or pussing out like a bitch, damning Ynnead until the true end of times but saving himself.

He pussed out like a bitch and saved his own sorry ass.

>>49518159
How can he finish the ritual when he's dead? He had to defend himself either way.

The real bullshit is artemis realising that something is going on on that moon because a dying harlequin happens to look at it. That's just the laziest writing i've ever seen.

>>49516788
As a Dark Angel I can confirm that Gav Thorpe is a dogshit writer who should be booted from the entire Warhammer license for failing to write anything good for over a fucking decade.

>>49507699
>>49507944
>>49507679

I'm so glad I checked this thread.

>>49516744

They're trying to boost 40k sales to Warhammer Fantasy levels.

Lol

New corporate strategy means new lore. Self-destructive and counterproductive? Sure. Hurts their IP for the sake of a short term boost in profitability? Probably, except that I don't even think this makes short-term business sense.

Regardless, if you don't like it, switch games or just play and read stuff from older editions. WoD and Battletech players learned to do this long ago. You can't save an organization from its own stupidity.

>>49509139

Probably should have brought more guards, then, so the entire future of the Eldar race and the universe as a whole couldn't be effortlessly BTFO by 4 dudes in power armor.

That 'lets save the universe!' plan had less armed protection than Eldar camping trips.

>>49510679

What story? This is effectively the same as writing a story where the entire Imperial Navy goes to defend Holy Terra, and then the sun explodes destroying Earth, Mars, most of the Imperial government, and literally the entire space navy of the Imperium of Man as well as most of the space marines.

Are there still humans alive? Sure. But it would require an absolutely mind boggling set of events for the next couple steps to be anything other than humanity getting absolutely rolled into oblivion under those circumstances.

>>49520153

To me, what's galling is how unnecessary and counter-productive this all is. It's like they're trying to goose sales by making all the same mistakes that gave them declining market share* in the first place, only harder and faster.

* market share, by which I mean volume not profit. Profits are still ok because they're making bigger margins on lower overall sales.

It also doesn't help that at this point the plot is probably being driven by GW's legal department. Bringing back the crew from the late 90's/early2000's and letting plot and setting lead would have been smarter.

>>49509514
>Ynnead is just a myth
Get what you're saying, but I find it silly that a race that LITERALLY imagine-fucked a god into existence finding the idea of ANY warp construct as a myth is a little silly.

Now if the majority of the Eldar were worried that creating a SECOND warp god to deal with their first was a bad idea. I could get behind that.

Ulthwe and Saim Hann were the craftworlds in the book alongside the murderclowns.

Where the heck were Iyanden? Ynnead is their thing too.

>>49523906
Iyanden is probably even deader than it was before. No souls means no Wraiths.

>>49508681
Holy fuck, Abaddon got fucking huge!

It's clear that the only way to stop this avatar of anti-checkerboards is to GETTAI all of the Waaaghs to ascend Choginga Tengan Toppan Gorkan Morkan Ghazghul, "Who DA ZOG DO YA FINK WE IZ?"

That or the illustrator is out of his fucking mind.

>>49518224
>missing half the post
read his eldar novels.

If the Eldar craftworlds are now out of order, GW has three options. Freeze the lore and have no more campaigns and make less money, kill off the faction and make less money, or reform the faction, and set up a new campaign where the Eldar win something and get their shit sorted out. Maybe against Chaos, since Slanesh is about to get a shot of heroine in her balls with all the tasty Eldar souls on the menu now.

>>49524966
Oh fuck. Is this actually just a prelude to a story meant to write Slaanesh out of 40k, like how Slaanesh was sidelined in Fantasy?

>>49524774
Aren't those pretty much all about how the Eldar shoot themselves in the foot for no good reason?

>>49525003
Entire possible. Last time I was in the local shop, it was full of children and shit like that. They might use something to sell new models for Eldar and new chaos faction.

>>49517104
Perhaps this was actually the plan

If Eldrad succeeded, entire chaos force would rush to kill Ynnead.

If Cegorach planned Eldrad to fail, Slannesh would think that the plan failed and the tiny glitter of Ynnead is still safe,growing somewhere in the space, perhaps even sucking Eldar souls back to him

Ynnead will just be born inside Slaanesh instead. Simple as that.

>>49515522

See this is the kind of shit that makes me not care if the eldar are fucked or not.

A simple message of HEY THERES NECRONS HERE WATCH OUT would have sufficed for even the Imperium.

>In the closing days of the 41st Millennium, Artemis foiled the ritual of Eldar Farseer Eldrad Ulthran in the Battle of Port Demesnus. During the battle Artemis ignored the pleas of the Farseer to cooperate with him as he planned to destroy Slaanesh, stating that he would rather see humanity fall to Chaos rather than trust the word of a xenos. The act inadvertently saved billions of Human lives.
> he would rather see humanity fall to Chaos rather than trust the word of a xenos

Absolutely retarded

Also guys, what is the Dark Eldar end game? Because it really doesnt seem like they really have one...

>>49525292
>Imperium : Heed not the Eldar.

>>49525357
>what is the Dark Eldar end game?

They have no end game. They are facing a Chaos apocalypse in their city thanks to Khaine's Gate.

>>49525357
So what the fuck chapter was Artemis from, anyway? I haven't been paying much attention to him outside of him being boots on head retarded, but that is just a new low.

>>49525438

Ultramarines probably.

>>49525438

Well in their defense he's (and Artemis for a guy's name really?) from the Mortifactors.

These dudes are basically Chaos Space Marines fighting for the Emperor, they probably give only slightly more of a shit than normal eldar towards humanity.

>>49524774
>a hastily put together battlefleet and one marine chapter vs one of the galaxy's five major craftworlds
>the craftworld only survives thanks to muhreen honor forcing a ceasefire

>>49525357
>Also guys, what is the Dark Eldar end game?
They don't have one. They have a desire to keep on going as they always have, but they have no particular end goal or great plan.

>>49525360
Well no shit they heed not their warnings when they are assholes about their warnings.

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>>49525483
>Artemis for a guy's name, really?

Boy I will fucking fight you.

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>>49525438
mortifactors

Also he's old school deathwatch. To say he hates the alien is a serious understatement. Trusting the words of a rambling, half-mad alien seer would be completely fucking retarded.

>>49525558
>Hm, this Eldar is saying that if we let him finish he'll kill one of the Ruinous Powers...
>Nah! Fuck Humanity! This guys can suck a dick.

That would've been a joke before. This is basically what's happened.

>>49525591

Frankly eldar should have shot Eldrad behind the shed a long time ago. He may be a powerful farseer but when it comes to planning he is a retard.

>>49525498
>>the craftworld only survives thanks to muhreen honor forcing a ceasefire

The Imperials stalemated and the Eldar foresaw their eventually victory. However, their victory would come at a great cost.

So they sought to end the war quickly instead of letting it proceed any further.

>>49507121
Bad enough to make eldarboos whine non-stop, holy shit.

>>49524774
I did, and they were terrible. All the characters were terribly written an completely unlikable. Either they were emo as fuck, stupid as fuck, or bitchy as fuck. There was zero depth or any real interest to any of them. 5/10 usual black library hack spiel.

>>49525591
>Trusting the words of a rambling, half-mad alien seer would be completely fucking retarded.
This, honestly.

Also, taking word from the Eldar, a notoriously manipulative and deceitful race, without proper suspicion would be serious retardation too.

>>49523906
>Where the heck were Iyanden? Ynnead is their thing too.

Nobody but Eldrad and his clown friends had any idea what Eldrad was doing.

>>49507121
I mean, like, SO. BAD.

>>49507944
Include me in the screenshot.

>>49525845
Are any of the elder books good?
Besides the Dark Elder trilogy

>>49509514
The same guys that fucked Slaanesh into existence do not believe in Ynnead.

Every new thing I learn, GW writing seems shittier.

>>49517507
> Having your supply lines cut doesn't affect your beach heads

Okay Anon. Sure.

>>49528574
Farseer is good, but it got slapped with the almighty retcon.

>>49528574
>>49530902
Also there's Mistress Baeda's Gift.

It is the single most intensive FEELS 40k short story ever written. I won't spoil it for you, but the short story will make you cry in pity and sadness for a Dark Eldar

>>49525357
Business as usual.
When your faction endures by feeding off of the misery of sentient beings, the status quo of a crapsack world like 40k is like living in a post-scarcity utopia.

>>49530801
Just fuck off already. You were proven wrong. The Imperial fleet prevented a defeat from being a total defeat. There is no fluff saying that the Traitors lost their foothold in the Cadian sector.

Also your moronic lack of reading ability does you discredit. The traitors are getting reinforcements and supplies but a reduced rate due to Imperial fleet guarding nearly all the jump points. Enough supplies to hold the foothold but not enough to overwhelm the whole sector and the Gate.

>>49511197
what?

>>49510900
The Tau are the only faction in 40k that are guaranteed to be wiped out should the timeline ever advance.

>>49532479
Nope, many visions of the future hint that the Tau will inherit the galaxy

>>49532495
>guise Eldrad said Tau r gonna win so it's true
>he posts this in a thread dedicated to Eldrad's many fuckups

>>49527812
Buddy, not only is my post not good enough for a cap, but there's not enough responses to warrant a cap anyways. Lurk moar newfag, maybe you'll see the kinds of posts that deserve caps

>>49510417
>Eldar without Craftworlds is like High Elves without Ulthuan
Are you the endhammer faggot whose idea of plot change was to cause ulthuan to sink?

If so kys.