MTG Modern General

first for benis

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I want to make a Magic Yu-gi-oh themed deck. Lots of trap cards morph creatures, spell equivalents etc.

Has anyone seen a similar deck or got card suggestions

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Been having good results with this list I've been working on
>Esper Humans
4x Aether Vial
4x Champion of the Parish
4x Thalias Lutienent
4x Zulaport Cuthroat
3x Cartel Aristocrat
2x Reflector Mage
2x Tasigur, the Golden Fang
2x Liliana, the Last Hope
3x Gather the Townsfolk
4x Inquisition of Kozilek
4x Serum Visions
2x Dismember
2x Path to Exile

2x Westvale Abbey
1x Plains
1x Island
1x Swamp
4x Flooded Strand
3x Polluted Delta
2x Watery Grave
3x Hallowed Fountain
3x Godless Shrine

>Sideboard
1x Elspeth, Knight-Errant
3x Mana Leak
2x Spell Queller
1x Graff-Digger's Cage
1x Disenchant
1x Rachetbomb
1x Path to Exile
2x Supreme Verdict
2x Selfless Spirit
1x Pithing Needle

>Basic Rundown
Using some good peices of the "Aristocrats" deck. Combined with thalias lutienent for added pressure (cartel and cutthroat are humans). This creates enough steam to wear out your opponents resources with removal and tempo plays via the wondrous aethervial.
This is not the final version. Currently this is version 5.

When does the modern banlist change?

>>49502778
Next announcement Oct 1st?

>>49502778
On Monday

>>49502566
Bump for discussion/criticism of this list

>>49502566
Get cavern of souls

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Is everyone ready for the savior of Modern to arrive?

I assume everyone has their playsets ready

>>49502962
fuck blue, SFM unban now

>>49502971
>wanting the spew of batterskulls everywhere instead of actually making blue a viable color

Fuck you buddy

>>49503019
>blue deck is best in the format
>who gives a shit about white being viable, if you have 1 good card that's enough
>blue deck no longer best in format
>waaah every color needs to be equally viable this isn't fair

>>49501581
just go play yugioh anon

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>>49502962
TOMORROW

>>49503525

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>>49503816
jeskai by far

devote yourself to the cutest Hitler

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>>49502566

>2x Liliana, the Last Hope

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Going to be testing pic related in Jund over the course of the next couple weeks. Let's hope it works out I bought a promo for $70

>>49503525

Are you on autism spectrum anon? If not, play jeskai.

>>49502962
Weird that isn't a picture of Bloodbraid Elf

Why do people play lead the stampede over sylvan messenger?

>>49504440
Costs less mana and digs deeper? Also doesn't restrict the creature types you can take. You can grab that Eternal Witness, that Hoof, that Regal Force, that whatever.

>>49503868
>calling her a Hitler

I'll fight u fgt swear on me mum

>>49504484
she genocided an entire plane

it's ok though because her pearl white skin is adorable

>No changes to any format

Cmon Wizards. Do it. Disappoint me again.

>>49504619
>Peregrine Drake is banned in Pauper
This is all we'll get.

How about Misthollow Griffin in mono U lists? It's a free pitch to Shoal and Commandeer.

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>>49503928

Holy dooley, Anon, why did you do that?

>>49504645
>shoal
Sounds awful

>>49503928
>$70 for new Chandra
Holy shit I'm dying. For your sake I hope she's good in standard cause she's trash in every eternal format.

>>49504830
>every eternal format
You mean Vintage and Legacy?

Chances of a Jace unban?

I'd prefer to buy my set of him before he gets unbanned

>>49505077
>Jace unban
Not happening.

I could see SFM getting unbanned but not Jace.

>>49505130
i think if they were going to unban sfm they would have done it just after they announced the gp promo, what has changed since then?

>>49505174
>what has changed since then?
Nothing. And that's precisely the problem. Modern has stagnated into a pool of linear and uninteractive decks.

>>49503928
This is the most overrated planeswalker I've seen in a long time. She might be good in standard but she is way to slow for Modern. She is completely un-impactfull the turn she hits the board and in Modern that's pretty much means she is a dead weight. Sure you can try to fit her in a heavy controll deck where she will be able to devellop but then there are far better Planeswalkers to fit in this kind of deck than her.

>>49504773
Shoal is played in competitive decks.

>>49505232
I want to test her in Skred. I think she has potential.

>>49505077
zero, my man. not for gameplay reasons, either.

>>49505130
mystie isn't coming off the list, as much as i'd like to see it.

i only have fun when im preventing my opponent from having fun
what deck should i play

>>49505373
Lantern Control.

>>49505373
T u r b O F. O g

>>49505373
Taking Turns
Eggs
Ad Nauseam
Infect

>>49505330
Why would Jace have zero chance of being unbanned?

>>49505242
Shoal is played in one competitive decent that isn't my point.

My point is shoal counters for x, meaning you'd only get value off your misthollow if you're countering a 4 mana spell. That's stupidly linear

>>49505373
Sphinx's Rev control

>>49505373
Bloomless Amulet

>>49505523
Come on don't be an asshole, we at least want his opponents to have a CHANCE.

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I have a local modern tournament coming up, should I take my mill deck or 8-rack.

Mill: http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/cranial-flush/
8-rack: http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/16-09-16-assisted-suicide/

>>49505754
do you want to lose you your opponent's topdeck or your own topdeck?

If I just want to play Magic with my bro, what set should I buy?

>>49505865
Modern Masters 2013.
Just buy a whole box.

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Unban Preordain!

>>49505865
Duel decks if you know little/nothing about the game. 20 bucks for 2 decks

Make Pauper decks if you are already experienced with mtg. 20-30 bucks per deck

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>>49506063
You, where do hou think you are to be giving good and sound advice on this thread?
Get the fuck out here REEeeeeEeeeeeeeeeEEEEEEEEEEE

is it me or grixis delver not as solid as everyone pretends that it is

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>want to get into competitive modern
>a deck is 2 months worth of my salary
>my lgs only has 2 Modern events per months

>>49505455
meta-lore for the jacetice league..
>banned planeswalker
>so power
>much cool
>pls buy packs of jacetice league
it's just 'cool factor' for non-spikes

>12 hours thread
>58 answers
>on a week end

Dead Format.

>>49506241

>~800 bucks average tier deck cost
>2 months pay
Maybe it's two months if you're on the poverty line and refuse to build anything but Jund

>>49503083
Try not looking like a total retard next time you post

>>49506241
Modern just dosen't allow good budget decks unless you find a way to make a MonoColored deck without using staples.
It's a hard work, but possible. Let's say you're playing Mono White. You can exchange Path to Exile for Oust and Celestial Flare. Vyrn Wingmare instead of OG Thalia and so forth. That way you can slowly upgrade it while learning the deck.

>>49506449

I feel the same way. I always lurk these threads and I've seen new threads go 40 minutes without a post and I have to go "first for dead format"

I think Jace would be a safe unban and SFM would actually shift the meta away from aggro because you could uninteractively tutor for and drop an unboltable lifelinker that can fizzle other removal on 3. Although personally I've always wanted to build Worldslayer/Darksteel Myr and that gives me a good card to pad out a shitty shell

>>49506450
>800$ average
>jund and junk are 2k+
>any cotnrol deck is 1.3k+
>The only good decks under 800 are Dredge, Affinity, Tron and Burn

I bet you leave in your parent's basement too.

>>49506143
I think rug is better. Grixis is just easier to pilot because you have terminate and hand disruption

>>49506560
>rug is better than grixis delver
Good thing you've got the results to back that statement up.

>>49506513

Of all the good cards you can recommend replacing, you pick Path? Path is one of the more budget A tier cards you can buy. Next you'll tell him to replace Bolts with Shocks.

Just build mono red burn, fucker. Most of the spells hit for 3 and are super budget. 4x bolt, rift bolt, lava spike, and go from there. If he wants to splash any colors he could get access to Helix or something.

Or build infect. Most of the pieces that net you turn 2 or 3 victories are cheap as fuck. Glistener, blighted agent, a bunch of pumps, apostles blessings, and if you want even budgetier you can throw in a few double strike spells (a la assault strobe) and hope for that sweet turn 2.

>>49506602
I don't need any. It's my opinion. Grixis has fallen off lately anyway.
I play delver in all formats

>>49506624
Post your rug list, mr delver expert.

>>49506640
When I get home I can. I'm sorry, do you play grixis? I never meant to hurt your feelings, senpai

>>49506871
>Grixis
>not Bant
lel

>>49506916
>giving up bolt
>ever

>>49506609
I live in a thrid world country, man. Where our friend whose salary can't pay a Modern deck with 2 months of Salary probably lives. Every card sounds twice as expensive than you percieve for us.

>>49506922
>not getting the joke

Traded standard and cmandir chaff for a scooze, a huntsman and 2 grim flayers

With that, jund is complete. I'm ready to shit on every jank deck casuals bring to fnm now.

Hell, I'll even maindeck huntsman and watch as they bitch about that card, too

Can anyone give me a link for anime delver ?

>>49506944
It's hard when this place has literal retards posting at all times. Myself included.
I'll try to up my perception values

Getting into modern, ad nauseam is what I'm aiming for. I can't for the love of gods figure out what kind of mana base to go for though, it's driving me fucking nuts. And now with the release of the other fastlands I DON'T EVEN, PLEASE HELP.

>>49507002
You should put Kalitas in the main deck instead of Huntmaster

>>49507207
Just go with standard one retard, the new fastlands don't really change anything

>>49506517
At this point I want to see half the ban list come off.
It would make this meta fucking crazy and we need that.

>>49507323
Sure lets just make every deck cost too much to play for anyone reasonable and also make type 2 decks even worse.

>>49507312
There isn't a standard one you retard.

>>49507380
There is, it's just either 2-4 temples of deceit, 1-3 temples of enlightenment, 3 seachrome, 3-4 darkslick, a few basics, 4 gemstone mines, sometiems you go urborg

>>49507373
>implying modern doesn't already cost an arm and a leg
>implying it wouldn't make new tier 2 decks or that it wouldn't make tier 2 decks better

>>49507323
Without the tools to check "fucking crazy" decks, it's just whoever does their retarded thing first. Games against something like Shoal Infect aren't anything "we need", and breaking up the banlist is just going to foster those kinds of games.

Whatever you think you'd gain from it, it's not worth it. It honestly would not make for a good format in the least.

Wotc needs to rework what it means for a card to be blue. Similar to how they're making red a 'big'type colour lately. Or print good counters again

As it is, blue is pretty much only for filtering in combo decks

>>49505257
Yeah she is an immediate 1x or 2x in Skred. Beyond that I'm not sure. Sideboard material in Jund, maybe.

She is going to flip the table in Standard, but other than that...

>>49507467
I don't mean for shoal infect to come back (though infect can turn 2 all over again) but some things are banned for stupid reasons. Like either taking too long, are unfun, or were banned from modern's get-go. Modern have changed vastely since it's inception and a lot of the original ban list needs reevaluating.
>it's just whoever does their retarded thing first
That's always been a big player for a lot of top tier modern decks, even now we have burn/affinity/infect as top tier and they do just that.

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>>49506513

The only acceptable mono color deck in modern
http://magic.wizards.com/en/events/coverage/gpind16/mono-blue-delver-snapdelverthing-with-arthur-fusco-2016-08-28

>mfw they remove the picture showing the weeaboo sleeves

>>49507604
No goyfs
No fun

>>49507604
>Monotaxes
>Not acceptable

>>49507942
It isn't. Eldrazi taxes is miles better and not even much more money

>>49507569
When you say "half the ban list", what do you mean then?

>>49507974
>Eldrazi taxes is miles better
Then how come mono White and Wg put up better results than Wb Eldrazi?

New tournament results from Hong Kong
1. W/B eldrazi Hatebears
2. Bant Eldrazi
3-4. Abzan Midrange
3-4. GR Tron
5-8. Bant Eldrazi
5-8. Coralhelm Bant (not 4c Retreat)
5-8. UR Ascension
5-8. W/U DnT, featuring TKS, Displacer, Thalia, St. Traft, Spell Queller, and Reflector Mage

Dank as fuck

>>49508064
Fuck off with your mtgtop8 bullshit.

>>49508064

Look at this.>>49508143
I'm lmaoing at your life

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How bad would it really be to unban the Artifact lands? Thoughtcast and Master of Etherium become stronger, Tezzeret becomes playable. It actually turns Blue Affinity into a different deck than Red Affinity, which would still rather play Galvanic, Overseer, and the Moths.

>>49508237
I don't think you get why they were banned

>>49508203
>one wmcq finish
>better than two GP top 8s in the same weekend

>>49508256
They were banned from the start because they were scared of repeating MD5's Affinity debacle. The thing is, in Legacy, they don't even go for the Disciple of the Vault plan. Without Skullclamp, you don't have enough ways to burn through your artifacts outside of just hoping to draw Disciple and Ravager in the same hand.

The Legacy Affinity list is strong, but it's not actually particularly faster than the Modern one. It's power in a somewhat different direction, further into midrange.

>>49508266
>my stats that mean fuck all are better than your stats that mean fuck all
Kys

>>49508064
Could you source that?
Mtggoldfish shows Eldrazi & Taxes being more of the meta than GW or W.

>>49508403
Just ignore him. He's autistic about regular dnt every thread

>>49508237
You know how gross it is when a citadel gets sacced to ravager?

Imagine having 20 other options for that

>>49507996
A bit of an exaggeration but even just to unban cards with a three month testing time to see their impacts on the format would be interesting
Top was banned since the inception, I feel even with potential counter top it could be unbanned. Games going to time aren't likely especially with the presence of cards like abrupt decay now.
Sorry on mobile otherwise would make a more comprehensive list

In all, the ban list unbans were supposed to create new decks not power up existing decks. If there are cards on there thay can make a new deck in modern I think trying the unban route is a good call.

>>49503816
Nahiri control
Also is the only deck in modern that is actually fun to play.
More if the rumours of unbaning SFM and/or JtMS are true

>>49504847
Yes, He meant the only formats that worth playing even when ddead an dying

>>49508573
Take a look at Legacy Affinity. The likely scenario is you're playing 4 Seats and 3/4 Vaults Glimmervoid still has a place in the deck, and at least the one-of Island for Path. The trade-off for feeding Ravager is losing your manlands, which is an arguable trade. There still would be variants preferring them.

>>49508670
Nahiri jeskai is boring as fuck mate.

>inb4 you get mad as fuck and something something interaction

>>49504830
Eh I can afford it and I pulled Mana Vault so. Also here's your (you)

>>49508862
>I disagree so it's bait
I'm sorry you're retarded

I'm converting what used to be a bad legacy deck into what I hope is at least an Ok modern deck, It's RG agro using swiftspears and stuff like mutagenic growth to cheese out damage from doublestrike sources, I'm looking to replace bloodbraids with something, any suggestions?

>>49508644
Top was banned for logistical reasons. If they unban Top, it immediately becomes a $60 card because everyone and their mother will run it in any Modern deck they can.

>>49509036
just play zoocide

>>49509085
>everyone and their mother will run it in any Modern deck they can.

Yes, Jund obviously wants to play Divining Top.

>>49509112
Jund loves never having to draw a land again.

>>49508329
>stats mean fuck all
???

>>49509118
Keep going, this is gold.

What would an ideal metagame look like for you guys?

Im concern every time people call for banlist activity. When very few decks are tier 1, lots of people complain. When one deck is clearly tier 1, lots of people complain. When lots of decks are viable, but they all do similar things, lots of people complain.

What seems to be happening is that whenever people get used to a metagame, they complain. Is there a situation in which people would just be happy with the format? What if the format remained that way for a year or more? In my opinion, even if we had a great meta, if we had it long enough people would find something to complain about.

>>49509197
This meta but with some slower decks

>>49509197
Everyone will always complain about anything.
That complaints exist are not evidence that something is bad.

Anyway, I'd print a decent beater for white, and some competitive removal for blue. Then print the necessary cards for combo decks to return.

>>49509085
The same thing happened with av, thopter sword, troll, Bitterblossom, your point? It makes a deck and reprints can happen

>>49509197
I'd like what wizards originally set out for;
every colour combo and every archtype have, to some extent, a degree of playability.
I think with that you also solve the amount of tier 1-1.5-2 decks
I understand this is a pipedream but it can be aimed for.

>>49509197
I'd like to see a 33/33/33 split between Aggro, Midrange and Control. We're never going to get that so long as wizards plays it safe with Blue. They're so,scared of printing good interaction that U, B , and R take a back seat to G and W, at least in standard and limited. It's been this was since Khans.

Since we're never gonna get that because new players are just a bunch of timmies, I'll settle for the current meta. At least I can cheese out easy wins with Burn and amass store credit for another deck. (I've got about 700 or so, and saving it to get Jund all at once.)

>>49509355
Stop printing all the good shit in gbx colours and we're on the right track

>>49509317
>The same thing happened with av, thopter sword, troll, Bitterblossom, your point?

Who in the entire history of Magic ever claimed "Everyone and their mother will run Golgari Grave Troll"?

>>49506143
>>49506560
Grixis is ok. delver decks just have game against pretty much the whole field

I feel RUG is better too. It feels more naturally aggressive. Twice as many of your beaters are bolt-proof and you have twice as much evasion. I think the cards black offers (discard, hard removal, tasi, and k command) are more suited for midrange/control than tempo

>>49509478
Desu I'd run it in affinity if it ever was unbanned

>>49509430
It's a shit design philosophy but they've basically based all 2 colour designs off the nu-ravnica guilds.
>>49509478
I meant price ((((hikes)))).
People claimed every blue deck would play 4x av, that's super not true.
Burn, infect, affinity don't care enough about their top decks to need a top. Jund cares only marginally but jund wants every card it runs to win a game, not facilitate another card (Bob). You'd see some jund lists running it but what could it even replace? Jund is too tight a list. Tron doesn't care about topping that much but might use it. Nahiri control and esper control would want it but that's about it.

>>49509537
It's too much of a mana sink for affinity, that'd be an awful choice.

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>>49509197
MAKE SULTAI GREAT AGAIN

>>49509537
>I'd run it in affinity if it ever was unbanned

What are you going to take out for it? Tell me so I can know how to mock you specifically.

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>>49509623
>>49509623
PLEASE

>>49509518
Guy at my lgs plays temur delver and shoal is the real shit.

It's funny watching him try to explain why he's thinking when he has no mana

>lol no fow in this format, you can't do anything
>uhhh actually

>>49509653
>only one damnation

Fucking pleb

>>49509568
>>49509637
He's obviously not serious you mongoloids

>>49508237
It makes the deck more streamlined. Instead of having to choose on whether or not you want to activate a nexus to turn it into an artifact wanting the mana, you can have both. You'll lose some manlands probably, but it's probably a fair trade. Also, Cranial plating and Ravager and Master says "all permanents" instead of "artifacts you control", making them marginally stronger. And it's not like Affinity needs any help.

>>49509677
One is in the side. Two I found to be a lot especially after I dropped thragtusk for kalitus. Without a 3/3 to kick around after it isn't as fun to wrath

>>49509681
Kys

>>49509698
The main reason I keep hearing is they would get totally blown out by artifact removal. The thing is though, they already do.

Shattering spree/storm, fracturing gust, etc. Already pretty much forces a scoop

>>49509118
More like Jund loves throwing lands on top so their bob's don't hurt you.

>>49507604
>The only acceptable mono color deck in modern

What are elves?

>>49509993
People here think gb shaman builds are better

>>49509993
A FotM deck from over a year ago that fell off a long time ago.

>>49509518
if rug is better then why does everyone play grixis? why doesn't rug put up any results?

>>49509518
Grixis Delver IS a midrange deck. You just also have the option to play a more aggressive Delver game depending on your opening hand.

>>49510153
Midrange is more forgiving than tempo so it's easier by a margin and thus more people will be having fun with it.

Also the deck costs as much as jund. People aren't as likely to shell out that much on a deck that hasn't been as thoroughly proven.

The deck actually is starting to pick up steam and is winning tournaments

the thing about top is that it is worse than just everybody runs it. only the counter-top deck runs it and counter-top, while not super duper op like treasure cruise, it is definitely tier1 and bad players playing it take forever.

>>49510153
>>49510267
>Also the deck costs as much as jund.
This
I'd live to play RUG Delver but I don't own Goyfs or Zen fetches. I have no interest in playing Grixis so I just play an old school UR Delver list as a backup deck to DnT and Esper Control.

>>49510299
I'm not sure how Blue decks would use it, but Jund would be pretty simple

>>49509756
also while you would get hosed even harder by kataki, you get a whole turn faster because you get to run frog-mite and you get more resilient to main-deck hate due to thoughtcast

>>49510267
Jund is about $400-$500 more than RUG delver.

How often do you Rogue Build?
My friends usually have some really fun and borderline competitive decks.
My first Modern Deck will be UW Emeria Control, it's really fun, but not really original. Any tips?

>>49510368
miracles already runs top in legacy to basically counter the first two spells you play each turn. I don't even think it is correct to decay the counterbalance, I think you have to decay the top so they don't immediately find another counterbalance

>>49510405
You should be experienced with the format before even attempting to build a rogue deck.

>>49510405
>How often do you Rogue Build?

Whenever I'm gonna play at the kitchen table.

>>49510433
>I think you have to decay the top
Doesn't work. They can just put it on top of their library in response. It only works if you respond to their fetchland.

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>>49509428
>tfw combo archetype got removed from the game
>all the solitaire players are mad

>>49510379
Many of the Legacy builds don't bother with Frogmite anyway.

>>49510436
I play a lot on XMage, so I usually now the tricks around the top decks, execept for Tron. I usually get raped by Tron.

>>49509660
Shoal is actually dope. Being able to tap out for threats while still having a counter up is huge, and just generally being able to do more things with less mana is really good.
it can make things awkward on cockatrice because at least irl folks usually pause briefly between spells

anyways i say it's not trve delver if your deck has no free spells

>>49510153
idk i don't know if it's actually better, just that it seems better from my limited experience.
My guess though would be these reasons
1. people don't like shelling for maybe the most expensive manabase in modern plus goyfs plus moons for a deck with scarce pro results
2. until recently the deck had an bad midrange matchup, and jund/junk frequently have a large meta share
3. a lot of people just haven't heard of it

>>49510180
yeah that's true. for some reason i was thinking in terms of what was the better tempo deck

>>49510405
maybe once a month. there's a guy at my shop who literally has a different build at every time he comes to the weekly event

>>49510105

Didn't it win a SCG tournament like a month or so ago?

>>49509726
But wouldn't you still get all the tokens from kalitas if you wrath?

>>49510595
Yes.
Kalitas sees everything die and you get zombies

>>49510614
It never ceases to amaze me how good kalitas really is.

>>49510460
Combo is unfun.
Green, White and Red usually can't interact well with it. And it Limits deck building a lot.

>>49510512
It was a rogue deck.

>>49503915
So far in 3 tournaments either ultimated or caused a win
3-1 4-0 2-2 3-1

>>49510661
Kalitas is so good that it's laughable for 4 mana.

And it's black, which goes perfectly for every black deck, which usually just grinds the shit out of their opponents until they die.

He even has lifelink and lives through bolts. The guy is straight up a grind machine.

>>49510661
And people say that Oath of the Gatewatch was a bad set.
Probably terrible for the Meta, but was a hell as strong.

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>>49510756

>Kalitas was a mistake and an unfun card. Better play those fun cards like hero of goma fada or beastcaller savant.

>>49510661
I bought 3 when he was $15 and a foil.
Never regretted it. The foil is the one that always save me from burn.

>>49510849
>Hero of Goma Fada is 5 mana and designed to die with bolts
I hate Maro.
Kalitas and Avacyn really grinded my gears on Standard.
Flash and Indestructible for all creatures stapled on a 4/4 Flying? Not enough, better included a Wrath effect and Vigilance.
A 3/4 on Black that generates huge value to do what black does best? Not enough let's slap Lifelink.

>>49510938
Not only is it a 3/4 lifelink for 4 that generates tokens for free, but it also can eat those tokens to get bigger himself.

Free chump blocks, rewards you for blocking, dodges all but the hrdest removal

The guy is just stupid

>>49510978
You sound like a Company player. Kalitas isn't as completely bananas as you think. "For 4" is huge.

>>49508790
T. Goldfisher player

So the ban and restricted list updates in around 15 hours. What are people hoping to see? How about realistic expectations?

What I want to see:
> Stoneforge Mystic unbanned in Modern
> Mind Twist unbanned in Legacy

What I'm expecting:
> No changes made.

>>49510999
What the fuck is this t.sourceofcomment bullshit from

>>49511032
spurdo, it's finnish

>>49511032
Old /int/ meme

"t." Is a Finnish abbreviation for "signed" or "regards"

>tfw no Gondola playing Magic

>>49511022
What I want
Unban
>dig or top or jace
>sfm
>bbe
>twin
Ban
>become immense
>exarch>>49511032

What will happen
>nothing

>>49511222
>Ban
>>become immense
You are so bad it hurts

>>49510996
If you're not behind, kalitas is always a good play.

It's about as bonkers as siege rhino was in standard.
>do I need to deal with his creature?
>play kalitas
>do I need board presence?
>play kalitas
>is he getting a leg up?
>play kalitas

>>49511022
>Jace Unbanned in Modern
>Twin Unbanned in Modern
>Seething Song Unbanned in Modern

There. I saved the format

>>49511222
>become immense
I don't like interaction!!

>>49511373
>Reprint counterspell

>>49511429
>"counterspell is too strong"
>very few legacy decks even run it

>>49511486
That's because there's FOW and Daze, which are 2 blue less of a casting cost

>>49511486
Comparing Modern to Legacy leads to bad times. The formats (and metagames) are completely different.

>>49511373
>is shit
>okay twin is back and nothing changes
>oh boy another uninteractive combo deck

>>49511506
>Twin
>Uninteractive
Lol fagget u butthurt

>>49511486
We cannot have timmyfags getting their creatures countered

>>49511537
>Lol fagget u butthurt
Learn to read, retard. Storm is the deck

>>49503868
>>49508670

How decent is Jeskai but without memewalkers?

>>49511583
Depends on if you have twin banned, or unbanned

I can't wait for BBE to get unbanned

It's gonna be awesome.

Jund has gotten some awesome cards to play with in the last few sets and I'm loving it.

>>49511603
I'm asking because white has already enough shit to deal with Enchantments/Artifacts/Planes Walkers if I need to.

And Nahiri is bonkers hard to get where I live unless I want to get rid of my value shit like Damnation for her which I won't.

>>49511662
No, control would suck unless nahiri is acting as a clock.

>>49511662
You can buy cards online and they ship them right to your door.

>>49511287
>>49511399
>I like Infect winning turn 2!

>>49511697
It's 2016... how come there are people that don't buy cards off the internet??

>>49511697
>>49511736
You play this game, right?
Local meta determines how much room is in your sideboard.

>>49511745
>It's 2016... how come there are people that don't buy cards off the internet??

>You play this game, right?
>Local meta determines how much room is in your sideboard.

What?

>>49511745
Wed lad. You're fucking retarded

>>49511697
>>49511736
Aside the fact shipping cards costs me 50 bucks to where I live nothing and I got most of cards I need to make a controll Jeskai apart from MAYBE Nahiri and few shocklands.

>>49511771
Buying cards online doesn't fix the issue of having no room in the sideboard?
>>49511780
?

>>49511501
The metagames are highly dependent on the card pool available, though.

>>49511795
>Aside the fact shipping cards costs me 50 bucks to where I live
Where's that? Cuba?

I don't think BBE can come off ban list because it'll make Jund too strong, being able to Cascade into any of the following: Liliana of the Veil, Tarmogoyf, K Command, Bob, Thoughtseize, Scooze, Bolt, Terminate, IoK, the 2 drop from EMN (the GB mythic 2/2 that has delirium).

>>49511632
All Jund has gotten is Kalitas and K Command.
New Lili is alright, but not on par with those 2.

>>49511819
I wish, atleast coke would be cheap as booze.

>>49511632
BBE fags are literally delusional

I'm eagerly awaiting your disappointment again

>>49511837
Are you in a small village in Africa or something?

>>49511722
>I play Glistener elf, Pass
>I play a mountain and cast Lightning bolt
Wew Lad, that is difficult

>>49511860
More to the north, hint.

we drink lots of vodka

>>49511866
Russia was actually going to be my third guess.

>>49511632
>unbanning a great card for one of the most powerful decks currently

KEK

Are you also hyped for the artifacts lands to get unbanned?

Or wait no Jund should also get Deathrite Shaman unbanned too!

>>49511920
This

>>49511903
Wrong. That's a second strike.

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Who's ready for the saheeli combo next week?

>>49511946
Poland? Ukraine?

>>49512013
Why would anyone play that over Affinity?

>>49512036
Memes

>>49512017
Bravo, Poland it was.

And yeah, fucking shipping costs are retarded as fuck in here if I want to order shit from other countries.

>>49512116
Well, at least you have a valid reason. There's a bunch of tards at my lgs that complain about card availability--in the U.S.

>>49512143
I have a guy at my lgs that constantly posts he wants 25-75 cent cards but mocks and ridicules anyone that spends money on cards

Well, whatever dude at least I can play the cards I need in the decks I enjoy

>>49512049
There is nothing more depressing in the world than this word being used in this context. Yes, it's an idea shared by a portion of the population. But the population is small and nobody nearby shares the idea. It's a meme but you're probably the only one around doing it, so calling it a meme in no company makes you look like a meme spouting retard.

And that's why so many memes are dogshit now. I mean we always had bad memes but the "best" memes today are just fucking terrible. Shit like that wouldn't have passed muster even five years ago.

I don't have a problem if people experiment with decks. But when I ask why they're trying it instead of giving a good fucking reason they say "memes". And I look at them like that's the most intellectually disappointing answer they could have possibly given.

>>49511831
Well, grim flayer seems to see some play in jund too, doesn't he?

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>>49512223
I literally have friend that does the same.

None of his cards are above a dollar per one unless he pulled it out of a booster, I asked him if he has money to buy himself a fat pack of boosters why not get yourself cards for a deck he'd like to play even if it would be casual deck?
So he can save up the money, BUT BUYING 30+ BOOSTERS AT ONCE ISN'T A BIGGIE FOR HIM.

I seriously think he's fucking with me sometimes.

>>49512223
I wish I could get the cards I need locally. They're there, but everyone is a miserly shit. And the store doesn't do much in singles so their stock is always low.

I have high-value items like fetchlands that might as well just be $20 bills that I would like to trade for something on the order of 20-80 garbage cards that are worth around $0.25-$1.00. And nobody fucking trades them.

I just don't get it. I want some really shitty commons and uncommons and promo cards I don't have and just because they're shiny nobody wants to part with them. When I'm offering $20 bills in the form of fetchlands. Or whatever the fuck fetchlands were worth a while ago. You give people the opportunity to convert their booster pack crap into legit value and they don't bother.

So I'm like, fuck it, I'll just order this shit online.

Thoughts on a budget brain in a jar spell deck?

>>49511722
What is literally any removal or interruption in the entire game

You are this bad at magic

>>49511831
>kalitas
>k command
>grim flayer

That's infinitely more than most decks and 3 times as much for the rest

>>49512263
Yes.

In the past year Jund has gotten three new cards that cost $80 for a playset (more now).

I think it's funny that it had its origins in Standard and its cards were mostly commons and uncommons. The only Rares it truly needed were Maelstrom Pulse and Raging Ravine. You could just fuck around with any combination of the Rares at 4CMC+: Garruk, Siege Gang, Broodmate, or Master of the Wild Hunt.

Jund was like Affinity - the best and cheap.

The best Standard deck at the time, Jund, was $150 give or take $50. In a time of $50 Walletslayers.

You would be an idiot or desperate to run out a Glistener Elf T1 blind you retards who haven't played Infect.

>>49512399
Sure I do.

Because I have a blighted in my hand as well :^)

>>49512453
I feel that T1 and T2 Infect Glistener and Blighted blind on game one is just the worst thing you could do. You just lose because they'll always get swatted. You need the Hierarch or a Probe to make sure you can protect them.

>>49511287
It's very likely Infect is losing either Become Immense or Mutagenic Growth. They've had too many turn 2 or 3 kills on camera during major events. They're breaking the Turn 4 rule hard and WotC can't allow that to continue or it hurts their image of Modern.

>>49512315
Magic the gathering is the real life equivalent to fallout 3 level hording

>>49512399
Depends on what I have in my hand
If I have other infect creatures, an inkmoth, a probe and no hierarch, I'd probably do that

>>49512725
It is. And it's disgusting.

I have an office box with lid. And that's my limit. If the collection every grows outside that degree of portability something needs to be culled.

I can't imagine what some peoples' homes are like with Magic. Just useless shit in staggering volumes. You could literally build entire Intro Pack sets and Deckbuilders' toolkits out of peoples' collections.

God, now that I think about it there's one guy with a massive collection and he's the worst horder in Fallout.

>>49512399
>potential downside is lose your elf to a 1 for 1 trade
>potential upside is winning the game next turn

HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM

>>49503928
>UR planeswalkers with chandra and jace seems like some sort of nightmare

>>49512718
And it also has a 5% top 8, which is less than burn at this point.

It's not going anywhere

>>49512797
Seems like shit

>>49505232
She bolts coming out. She's not shit, just not great

>>49512805
Meta representation isn't the only reason things get banned, or they wouldn't have killed Eggs.

>>49512792
God what is the point of playing Infect.

I used to scramble after work to get to Modern on time. Then after a couple months of showing up and playing against at least 50% Burn and Infect I felt there was better things to do with my Thursday.

>>49512835
It's a shock. You also have to mill a card

is platinum emperion the new allosaurus rider?

>>49512835
Bettter than Bolt, she can kill an opposing Kalitas, Flayer, TKS, Anafenza, Spellskite, Reveler, Thing, etc. It's not worthless, at least.

>>49503928
Her comparisons to Jace are actually retarded

Her exile the top card effect is pretty shit. You'd always be wayyy better off drawing a card. Even the shock doesn't help this ability.

Her ramp is bad. I can't think of any modern or legacy deck wants red ramp in the form of a 4 mana planeswalker.

Her flame slash is decent. Mops up most stuff but the fact that it's -3 is damning because you won't get to use it twice reasonably.

The difference between Jace and Chandra is that Jace has 3 very very good abilities and Chandra has a decent one and two poor ones. What made Jace work was his extreme flexibility and power, nu-chandra doesn't have this. Everyone just sees 4 mana and 4 abilities and cream their pants because they lack any understanding of how the game works at all.

I'm waiting for this to tank to around 20-30 (this price being sustained by only standard and random people that want it for EDH or whatever casual format)

I'm right

>>49513066
>I'm right
You're a fag for putting this

>>49513066
She's fine, shes not good for what people think she'd be good in (mono red anything) but is better in decks where you have access to red

>>49513237
I do actually think she will see modern play but more similar to the way Gideon Ally is played

Sideboard card in something like Jund or Nahiri or something to diversify threats or take on a more controlling role

What time will the ban list be printed?

>>49513630
4:20 am

>>49513756
That's a pretty great joke.

I live these threads.

>>49513889
In all honesty, it's usually pretty early in the morning I think
I live in the midwest and it's usually up by the time I get up

>>49507030

Just go to channel fireball YouTube channel and watch Shahar shenhar and that other dude

>>49507517

They just need to bring back high power level blue cards without going too far like the delve cards

Cryptic command is true to blue's identity and rewards playing heavy blue

>>49514130
>draw a card
>>>>>>>>>>>>>Counter target spell
Yeah. no. Fuck that. Fuck you. That'll never happen. Enjoy your new mythic Metallurgic summonings though

>>49514345

Metallurgic summonings is good though, it's made for edh

There have always been cards made for edh and it's not a bad thng

Hello new player here with a question

If I have a 6/5 that says it can only be blocked by 2 or more creatures, and my opponent blocks with two 3/3s is the 6/5 destroyed?

Also can the opponent choose to block one creature's attack with multiple creatures of their own if there's no effect that says something like that?

>>49514449
the 6/5 is killed, because each 3/3 will deal 3 damage to it, and your 6/5 will deal 6 damage divided how you choose to each 3/3

>>49514382
>is good though
okay (((((champ))))
>There have always been cards made for edh and it's not a bad thng
ooookkkaaayyy "not rosewater"

>>49514449
>If I have a 6/5 that says it can only be blocked by 2 or more creatures, and my opponent blocks with two 3/3s is the 6/5 destroyed?

Yes, all the damage dealt by a creatures blockers will be added together. The 6/5 will take 6 damage and die.

>Also can the opponent choose to block one creature's attack with multiple creatures of their own if there's no effect that says something like that?

Yes. A player can have any number of creatures block all one creature together unless an effect says otherwise. Menace doesn't "allow" your opponent to block with two or more creatures, it only prevents them from blocking with just one.

>>49514509

>the playable cards are always mythics, fuckin Jews of the coast
>all these fuckin mythics are slow edh garbage fucking Jews of the coast

>>49507517
Wotc needs to rework what it means for a card to be white. Similar to how they're making red a 'big'type colour lately. Or print banding again
As it is, blue is pretty much only for Path to Exile

>>49514654
Blue has snap, delver and cryptic.

White has many good cards. Just because they aren't mono white all the time doesn't make a difference

>>49514850
Yeah, white has... lightning helix and... leyline...

>>49514850
Path, Nahiri, lightning helix. Only maindeck white cards.

>>49514850
Then they aren't really white cards
White does have Displacer and Thalia though which are underrated

>>49514958
Displacer isn't white

>>49514963
>hurr its no color XD
its a white card, you shitlord

>>49514963
nice me.me

>>49514971
>it requires white mana in it's casting cost

ftfy

>>49514971
fine, count the entirety of merfolk as good blue cards
>hurr its not control XD

>>49515000
which makes it a white card
>>49515029
That has literally nothing to do with the color of the cards

>>49515029
Merfolk are very blue, they're an entire tribal archtype based around evasion, i.e. islandwalk.

>>49514916
>>49514930
>>49514958
Arbiter
Voice
KotR
Kataki
KotR firewalker
Qasali pridemage
Kitchen finks
Stony silence
RiP
Geist
Restoration angel
Flickerwisp
Soul sisters
Boros charm
Lingering souls
Ghostly prison

I could go on
>they're multicoloured
Name that many Ux cards that are good

>they're sideboard
Sideboard is fucking important

I'm not saying white is great but you can't say it's as shit as blue

>>49515029
>hurr its not control XD
old merfolk was

>>49515092
Of those, the only monocolored ones that see play outside of board are Resto angel, in a combo deck, and Arbiter, in a pretty fringe deck. Path is the only widely used monowhite card. Displacer is good but it generally comes along with the Eldrazi package so it doesn't fully count.

>Name that many Ux cards that are good
Remand, Mana leak, serum visions, sleight of hand, gitaxian probe, spell pierce, delver of secrets, snapcaster mage all are good cards and see play

Multicolored cards are a totally different ballpark, they aren't really indicative of the color itself.

>>49515092
Half those see 0 tier 1 play
>ghostly prison

>>49515159
>Mana leak, serum visions, sleight of hand
These are actually shit. They only see play because it's am we've got

>probe
That card is just as blue as misstep and skite

>>49515185
Quit moving goal posts

>>49515159
>>49515238
I have to agree with that guy. Snapcaster mage is probably only one meaningful enough to play blue in that list. Delver lacks shell and sleight of hand is borderline playable in combo decks. Remand and such have always been underwhelming.

One could argue white has the best sideboard cards to hose those linear decks.

>>49515251
>just because they see no play in any good deck doesn't mean they're not good cards
I didn't move any goal posts

>>49507467
>>49507569
Shoal infect would be unplayable in current modern, it's simultaneously a worse version of normal UG infect and a worse version of twin.
I tested mono blue infect and BG infect against over half of the meta and it just fucking sucked.

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>>49503868

not even close btw

>>49515272
Also who the fuck cares about which card gets to play the most in different decks anyway? What's important is the power of single card in given deck. Can anyone say merfolk cards are shit since they are only played in one deck? Or affinity or any else. Of course there are good cards that don't get so much play since they are only playable in one deck.

>>49515272
>One could argue white has the best sideboard cards to hose those linear decks.
As >>49515159 I'm more than willing to concede that point.
There's a ton of great multicolored and sideboard white cards, there just aren't really any monowhite cards that you can splash into your maindeck, and being able to splash monocolored cards into your deck is what I consider to be a strong color. Green has stuff like goyf, hierarch, and scooze that it can use and which see play in most decks that run green, which by my definition, makes it a fairly strong color.

>>49515322
Yup, green is really pushed in modern at the moment. There is one deck that has a lot of single color white cards tho; Bogles. Most of the enchantments are white auras on green creature.

>>49515316
>Also who the fuck cares about which card gets to play the most in different decks anyway?
Anyone who isn't a mouth breathing retard?

Kinda fucked up that jund is the dominant wedge colour with it's counterpart, junk being extremely powerful as well. All the while the other wedges get to wallow in tier 3 and below. The only reason jeskai is making appearances now is because they printed a Walker that shits out the most OP creature printed to date.

Blue is awful. White is only for hate and niche brews. The only other time white seems to be good is when you staple it to green, Wizard's prodigal son colour.

The colour and archetype distribution in the modern meta game is all fucked. Not everyone wants to play jund or curve from one value creature into another value creature forevermore.

So then what is the best color in modern? Black?
Green?

>>49515448
Green=Black>Red>Blue>White

>>49515448
Green=Black>Red>White>Blue

>>49515465
>>49515507
that's what I was thinking and looking at it, the numbers affirm that

>>49515465
Why no sultai if blue is better than white?

Surely if this was the case junk would be played less than BUG

>>49515549
better multicolored cards
we specifically excluded those when talking about colors because then it gets really complex

>>49515549
Lingering Souls. That's why. The card is fucking disgusting and I wish it was never printed.

>>49515595
I never realized it, but LS and Path are the only white cards a lot of abzan lists run
wew

There's only 3 cards that are related to White that make it worth playing. It's Lingering Souls, Path to Exile, and Nahiri. Of those 3, one's a decent removal spell, the second requires another card to get the most value out of, and the third is a poorly balanced card that wasn't designed with Modern in mind.

I'll let you decide which is which.

If white got SFM it would push it up to top 3, if not top 2, and encourage interaction and cut back on all the hyper aggressive stuff.

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>wasteland strangler showing up in a first place hatebears list
>someone talking about strangler being playable on here the other day
weird

>>49515699
Slowpoke.jpeg

So, about how long til the update?

>>49516077
Around 8 hours

Honestly if infect gets hit, it might fall into obscurity
It's a good deck, but it's not amazing or a huge meta share, and it certainly can be hated out
Still am thinking it's going to be no changes though

>>49516123
Infect was a deck before Become Immense and it will continue to be after. They would have to go nuclear and ban Glistener Elf to kill it.

>>49513066
I realize this but that doesnt mean shes unplayable, i wasnt expecting her to be a JTMS. I just see a 4 mana walker that can potentially generate some card advantage and kill a creature once. Also i like playing with new cards and its a cool ass foil promo.

Figured it was worth testing.

>>49512116

>shipping to poland
>50 bucks

wew lad it's like you can't use magic card market.

>>49512857
He's talking about the -3
Also
>Milling a card
>an actually meaningful downside

I have all of jund built.

How expensive would it be to get the rest of junk?

>>49516704
>Lingering Souls
>Path
>Some lands
>Some sideboard cards
>Maybe Rhino
Not very

>>49516123
Except it was played a lot before it got become immense

>>49516123
This.

I beat infect easily at FNM with my fucking get Faeries deck

It's as if you lot have forgotten about Mardu. I've found brimraz to be an absolute beast of a card. Monastery mentor does wonders once he lands. K command is a a god.

Matchups have been pretty solid. Tight games against jund and nahiri, chews up affinity and the likes.

>>49517765
How could we ever forget?

It's the first time, the last time, I ever brewed

Which one is better? Artfull Dodge or Slip Trough Space for Izzet Prowess.

>>49517945
>Which one is better?
How many times do you want to make your creature unblockable?
If the answer it "As much as possible", Artfull Dodge. If the answer is "Just once is enough", Slip Through Space. Slip also gives you another card back for it which helps you dig for more spells to cast that turn.

>>49517840
What did you brew?

I came up with a tokens strategy that works pretty well. All it needs is a more reliable beater and we'll be as strong as some tier 1 decks.

I'm going to try the new Chandra alongside 1 new lili and a few sorins.

>>49518181
My Mardu was just a pile of good cards in those colours. The creatures were Bob, Abbot, and Soulfire. Then the usual suspects were there. Souls, Bolt, Path, Crackling Doom.

Come on Wizards post the fucking article already. I want to be let down NOW

>>49518708
>I want to be let down NOW
This. Just fucking crush my dreams

>>49518708
>>49518779

Probs won't be up for another two hours. Sorry to crush your dreams about having your dreams crushed.

>>49518708
Don't worry, I've got the secret leak
Unban Twin
Ban Exarch and Pestermite

>>49518800
Oh boy, looks like we're playing Bell-Ringers.

>>49518708
Bans
Everything in Jund
Everything with Infect
Delver

Unbans
Second Sunrise

Errata
SNAPCASTER CHANGED TO A RED CREATURE COSTING 1R

Predicted unban: Bloodbraid Elf
Predicted bans: Bloodbraid Elf

>>49519007
Ban: Nothing
Unban: Nothing