Cloth Cleric

>Way are the shity armored cleric the standard cleric in western rpgs?

A valid point, I was thinking about homebrewing a divine spellcas-

> I just want to play the cloth wearing heling slut that takes care of all the parties needs

Oh.

Okay. Roll a cleric and wear cloth then. Problem solved

>>49461766
>>49461742

in my shitty homebrew classes are divided by Archetype and Power source, so a Priest is a SPELLCASTER with the DIVINE power source. A Cleric however is a RANGER with the DIVINE power source, reflecting the Clerics origins as an anti-vampire/undead specialist and also knocking them down to medium armor only so they can't outright replace the paladins and fighters.

>>49461814
What are all your archetypes and power sources?

Fucking Healslut trend, introducing horrible nerds to sub/dom shit and a new way to interject their new fetish into random games.

>I'm playing support OH MY CUMMIES

>>49461814
>>49461822
Seconded. Post in some other thread when this one gets deleted. Start a new one

>>49461814
Interesting. I'm still deciding how hard to sperg out, but with a p standard fantasy setting, was leaning towards Priest -> Cleric -> Paladin as the sliding scale of spellcasting to weapons and armor ratio

>>49461742
Here is what you do:
>make a female cleric
>describe her as sexy as possible, make it really awkward for all the other players
>never wear any armor
>either stay out of combat for most of the time or die horribly
Done.

>>49461742
>elf
>cleric
Elves have no souls and therefore cannot worship gods and be empowered in the same way humans do. An elf "cleric" is like-as-not a wizard or warlock. Elves who truly try to worship gods like a human find it only a draining experience: their lives are unfortunate and short.

>>49461742
The serious answer would be:
Clerics are spellcasters focused on healing. Your party will rely on your cures. Thus your ability to do awesome cool exploding shit with your spells will be limited compared to other spellcasters, because you will be saving mana/spells slots/whatever for when someone will have a booboo and will come crying to you. This can get boring quickly for a playing character option. The typical solution is to give the cleric proficiencies and stats that allow them to actually get in melee. Thus, during combat they will be either healing or tanking/smiting in melee, which is cooler than just waiting for someone to get hurt.

>>49462053
Elves can be clerics in pretty much any system - and that's a demon.

>>49462067
Also Male Elfs a much more sexy

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>>49461742
Because clerics in western RPGs are based on D&D clerics, and clerics in D&D are based on the priests who went to the Holy Land during the Crusades and fought in armor with weapons alongside the other troops.

Also they're probably inspired by this badass motherfucker, Cardinal Richelieu.

>>49461742
Because Clerics are undead hunting holy men. Play a priest if you want to be a cloth wearing healslut.

>>49462053
I like this, but only in the context of a fantasy setting based on the real world; handily explains why there's no Catholic fairies in Ireland.

>Class based system problems

I'll just be over here playing a BRP derivative; hah, I bet you guys argue about alignments too.

>>49462067
Yeah but hating on elves is one of those epic maymays from the 1d4chan.
CREEED xD

>>49461742
Might I recommend F-list for all your slutty nun fantasy needs? Most actual systems won't support that.

I suppose FATE would.

Or Dungeon World.

>>49462293
>BRP derivative
What is it like to be a peasant?

>>49462298
That meme can die as well. Also this
>if you don't like x you must like y!
was never a good argument, you know.

>>49462293
>arguing about alignments
ridiculous, nobody argues about alignments, they're very clearly laid out and we all understand them perfectly.

>>49462298
I don't hate elves, I just like to not be humans.

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>>49462279
Play Anima and make an insane cheesecake inquisitor who wears nothing but situationally placed leather belts and beats mages to death?
And yes, this is an actual Church character in the Tactics game.

>>49461742
I play pathfinder from time to time to play my Evangelist Cleric.
With that archetype I play a SINGING cloth wearing healing slut that takes care of all the parties needs.

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>>49462614
The same Anima tactics where the imperial spies wear this?

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>>49462880
Yes, the same one with the most "Ara ara ufufu" woman who JUST SO HAPPENS to be a high ranking Imperial agent.
And keeps blueballing the 1000+ year-old bodyguard of the Empress.

>>49462926
Don't show her backside if she doesn't have an ass to speak of.

>>49462926
I'm confused. Is that the Nameless Faceless Rank + File soldier of the setting?

Because that outfit is dead sexy.

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>>49462941
Not to worry, anon. She has other assets.

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>>49462953
No, she's a "Hand of the Empress" alongside such notables as "Miroku and Walter Dornez in one character", "Hammer-loli", and "His sword is HOW BIG?!"

>>49462282
There are Catholic fairies in Irish folklore though. Latter period fair folk are often associated with non human denizens of the garden of Eden and invite choice humans to come away with them to where there is no death or sin. In fact, a few such stories even have them foreseeing the coming of St. Patrick to Ireland.

>>49463006
Got a link to such a story? I would like to read it.

One common belief in Ireland, according to my dear departed grandmother, was that faeries were angels that didn't pick a side. they didn't dramatically fall from grace so much as drift away from God.

>>49461845
Not the same anon but I do this as well.

Magic sources:

Internal bloodlines and practice: Sorcerrers, Wizards and Monks

Patron: Warlocks, Paladins and Clerics

Primal (powers of the natural world which one observes and taps into): Ranger, Druid and Barbarian to some degree.

>>49461742

Cloth "Clerics" are called White Mages and are purely support casters to Cleric's balance of offense and defense.

>>49461742
Just because you can wear heavy armor, or any armor for that matter, doesn't mean you have to wear it. Take the ranged support/heal spells and just stay back.

Hell I'd argue that you should never be in with the main action anyways. Healers are meant for keeping safe and head pats.

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>>49463675

DnD not having purely support casters like the white mage is a pretty obvious niche that they've completely missed though. I bet there's people out there who fantasy about playing as the helpful healer who is completely helpless without team backup.

>>49462303
Hello virt

>>49463769
Don't meme. FATE would literally let OP do this.

>>49463730
3.x had a variant class cleric that traded armor proficiencies and BAB for more skills. Pathfinder probably has something similar in its archetypes.

>>49463812
Wrong: FATE would let anyone do anything

Because that's what it tries to do, without a lot of success

Also: it might be a meme, but it is true. Virt hated FATE and DW and used the two systems as a way of telling people to fuck off, just like you did.

>>49463812
But Fate doesn't have healers in the D&D-ish sense.

>>49463006
>>49463069

It's not like there's one set canon to a nation's mythology, so there are different interpretations.

One story I remember is how a priest found a bunch of fairies outside his house one night, with their king coming out in front to talk to him, saying that they've heard that he's a great scholar of scripture, and asking if truly anyone will be forgiven and welcomed in heaven by god if they convert to christianity. The priest responds that anyone with any of "the blood of Adam" can be, at which point the fairies all give a great wail of despair and disappear.

>>49463730
>pick the tanky healer cleric, as that's the only one that gets better heal fears over time
>never wear said tanky armor and stay with only starting priest gear clothing
>only get ranged support concentrate spells and heals to keep your manly warriors hard and standing erect in battle
>feel the euphoria spread throughout your body as you are assaulted with their large hands as they mercilessly stroke your head then shower you with their praises.

Truly, the life of a healslut is what all should strive for.

>>49463829
OP doesn't want to be a healer in the D&D sense.

>>49461742
For some reason I feel like its not cool to have the symbol of your order on the bottom of your shoes

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>>49463865

Yeah I know a cleric doesn't technically have to arm themselves with armor, but if you pick your class, it's the little things right? Also, a lot of players don't want to gimp their characters for the sake of a concept, so giving them a variant cleric without armor would probably be a nice.

>>49463877
>not consecrating ground with your shoes as you walk on it

>>49463877
You must sanctify the ground that you walk on by stamping it with the seal of your dirty anon.

This is basic shit.

>>49461742
>Way are the shity armored cleric the standard cleric in western rpgs?

Because they cleave to the adventurer archetype where Clerics are the Shield of God, and Paladins are the Sword of God. They're based on the knightly orders we know, who were essentially Warrior Monks. But in full armour and with the cutting edge in weaponry.

A traditional D&D Cleric NEEDS that armour to protect his frail hide from all sorts of attacks, just like Medieval warrior monks needed it for the same reason. And admittedly, it's good flavour. Without the armour, you're just adding another caster to the back row, slinging spells from afar. But like this, he can act the way we like to see the archetype: In the thick of combat, supporting his friends. He is a more godly man because he puts himself in harm's way.

A cloth Cleric would be a subtype. Still a travelling Cleric, but more a Schweizer who spends his time healing the sick, directing building of a new abbey, that sort of thing.

>>49463897
I don't have the book with me, but I don't remember the heavy cleric leveling features ever leaning towards tackiness other than their ability to wear up to heavy armor. Now again, I could be 100% wrong on saying that, but simply not using one feature doesn't seem like a detriment to the character.

And if it bothers you that badly a semi-cool DM wouldn't be averse to simply letting you swap your armor profeciencies for mage armor or something like that if you were adamant on never wearing armor.

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>>49463987

Yeah, obviously if I were the GM I'd just do that (heck, my players would probably not wear armor anyway without there being any benefit to it, if that was the concept they went for).

I'm just pointing out that it's an underutilized niche by WotC, and there probably are players out there that would be super happy if their tastes were catered to in official material so they could delude themselves into thinking nobody will notice their fetishes.

>>49464097
I know what you mean by wanting a "white mage" type caster but there's not really any reason to because it's completely attainable with what you currently have.

I believ arcane clerics are a mix between wizards and the healing of mages if you really wanted the no armir aspect, but then you'd lose a lot of support for offense which isn't what you want. But again, choosing to not use a starting class feature with the tanky cleric while literally everything else being 100% healslut-tier features seems to me like it already exists.

It would be a waste of paper and ink to simply replace the armor profeciencies with mage armor and that's it. Any and all other features that may have gone to them could be attained through the ability improvement feats like any other class.

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>>49461742
>>Way are the shity armored cleric the standard cleric in western rpgs?

Because the cleric was originally intended to be a fighter first and caster only 2nd or maybe 3rd because paladin didn't even exist as a class which the cleric originally intended to fill. A cleric is NOT a priest (or nun), a cleric could be literally anyone that works for the church and has a religious title, in D&D Clerics are usually the enforcers to the religion. First and foremost they are there to spread the faith by beating the crap out of unbelievers, they are NOT healers, they are not preachers, they are there to use their maces to bash faces because DEUS VULT! Also because in D&D there is no class restriction on armor and for some arbitrary stupid reason divine spells do not have the same restrictions as arcane spells.

>>49463865
Yeah, I'd agree that showering with your teammates while they stroke your hair is pretty slutty.

>>49464290
>angry healers
who cares how angry they are
t. tank

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>>49464251
The cleric was never conceived as anything BUT a "vampire hunting badass" to counter someone else's overpowered PC.

All the "muh fighting priests!" fluff was an afterthought.

For DnD wouldn't this be the archivist in 3.5 who was a glorified wizard with the cleric spell list?

>>49461742
Hey, listen, I know you aren't actually having this problem so my advice is pretty pointless, but there was a cleric variant in 3.5 called the cloistered cleric that exchanged armor and weapon proficiencies for more divine spellcasting (I think an additional domain as well).

>>49464312
>What are you gonna do? Not heal me?
>Quote from dead tank.

>>49461742
Too bad no one would ever play with you if you did play that.
I guess you just never get to have anything at all, huh?

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>>49464360

The archivist of D&D 3.5 is fairly close, yes, though it still wears light or medium armor short of a casting of Greater Luminous Armor.

Pathfinder's Lore, Lunar, and Nature oracles with the right Charisma-to-AC revelation can also emulate this to a degree, although they will most likely still wear a mithral chain shirt or darkleaf (studded) leather.

D&D 4e offers the Covenant of Preservation invoker, although that still wears hide armor. The avenger wears cloth armor, but is a front-liner with a massive, two-handed weapon.

Page 287 of 5e's Dungeon Master's Guide raises the possibility of an unarmored cleric with Wisdom to AC, but this is numerically far worse than wearing medium/heavy armor and using a shield. The best workaround would be to use a concealable mithral breastplate (uncommon), or to play a wizard of the tradition of Theurgy.

>>49461866
Bracers of Armor exist, though. They don't need to stay out of combat.

>>49464382
>not wanting damn near permanent buffs as cleric is now out of melee face-smashing distance

Of course the DM could always make a beast with no more intelligence than a basic predator do the math and realize "oh, I'll just attack the healer" but many support spells are potential lifesavers, and since this is seemingly d&d i'd always want a heal slut giving me sanctuary, sheild of faith, etc knowing they won't lose it next god damn turn from a goblin shiv to the shin on the front line.

>>49464444
There's already spells and abilities to do permanent buffing and focusing on healing in SEVERAL D&D-based systems RIGHT NOW.

They are not however armored in cloth because you don't have a girlfriend or boyfriend and need masturbatory fuel, nor do they need to be.

>>49464372
>Quote from the tank who dropped aggro*

>>49464471
>There's already spells and abilities to do permanent buffing and focusing on healing in SEVERAL D&D-based systems RIGHT NOW.

But with a walking buff you could have more. Bard buffs are nice, pally auras are cool, and self healing of fighters or certain races are great and all, but you could always have more and clerics are already low on the damage output.

May as well concentrate into the buffs and heals the main tank or damage dealer is and help them kill it faster, rather than you choosing to bonk it for mediocre damage or praying the RNG gods don't let the enemy give you s harsh opinion to cancel the buffs you are concentrating on as you are on the front line making you a prime target to lose any spell you are currently casting.

The healsutis a meme, but to dismiss discussion of a ranged based support (that isn't a bard) as sexually repressed perms virgins wanting to impose their magical realm on you is dumb.

Stop being dumb.

>>49464491
>aggro
>in a tabletop

If you weren't getting healed before then even if you dropped aggro you're still the closest to it after the reset, so even in a video game you'd still be followed.

>>49464596
>in tabletop
you're first to run though if healer blew his turn on doing something else

>in video game
stealth/complete damage prevention abilities(most of the time drop aggro) /etc.

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>>49464564

Dedicated ranged support and ranged blasting clerics work in D&D 4e and 5e, but they are difficult to make effective in D&D 3.5 and Pathfinder due to how buffs such as Divine Favor, Divine Power, and Righteous Might affect only the caster.

Pathfinder's cleric (herald caller) archetype can come somewhat close by focusing on summoning, and it works best wearing darkleaf leather lamellar.

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>>49461742
>wanting a healslut
I'll take a roguewife, thanks

>>49464097
You missed this picture, janitor-san.

>>49465148
Why would they go after that pic? Not that I know what their problem was with the other pictures.

>>49465148
Oh god, I just realized that half the thread is deleted. I guess too much meta-talk and /e/ dumps?

>>49465031
>steals your money
>stabs you in the back
More like rogueex.

>>49464444

Going for the healer in dnd (outside of 4e) is questionable. It's much more efficient to knock out a glass canon (cough the wizard cough) instead.

>>49465175
It has tits, therefore Janitor must purge it.

>>49465237
>out of cash
>she starts chasing others for that bigger bulge
>thats no coin purse
more like cuckadooladoo

>>49465245
Depends. If you're at the big bad of the dungeon there may have been times that the casters blew their spells on the lackeys in order to save the buffs and heals for the big fight, and I've played with plenty DMs that will give creatures that have no real critical thinking skills go for the back line that may have been out of their sight just to get them to stop casting their spells.

>>49461831
what do healsuts have to do with bdsm? is that a fresh moba twist on the mmo meme?

>>49465344
>not strapping your tanks with buffs and ordering them to hurl themselves into the jaws of death while you grin like the sadist you are
>giving them heals only when they are on deaths door

Healers are top dom territory anon.

>>49465344
From what I've seen of this healslut meme the healer in question is rarely just promiscuous among the group, they're also definitively submissive about it. Probably it's coming from that.

>>49465377
This has been my experience with healers. Tanks like to act like they run the show but his healer still has his nuts in a jar.

>>49465236
>>49465264
>>49465275
>>49465290
Anon, I'm pretty sure OP wanted healsluts, not a one-man thermonuclear strike.

>>49465448
Emphasis on that man part.

>>49465515
>implying you wouldn't let him suck you off
Faggot.

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>>49465558
>implying he'd get on his knees for any reason.

>>49465237
>Not having your rogue wife devoted only to you
>Not trusting your rogue wife to steal from and lead on others and then only take you to bed

>>49465737
>rogue
>trust
Sounds tenuous at best.

>>49465779
I mean, if you suspect she's cheating you could always consult your local diviner...

>>49465602
If he wanted to, I sure as shit wouldn't try to stop him.