Who was most right? Who was most wrong?

REMOVE GAIANS


YOU SMELL OF DIRT

>>49456070
>not joining glorious spess slav in galactic-sized squat

>>49456070
In terms of AI performance:

God Tier:
Yang

Good Tier:
Deidre/Morgan/Zakharov

Meh Tier:
Santiago

Shit Tier:
Lal/Miriam

>>49456070
Miriam was most objectively wrong. Clinging to religion in an age when science has relegated God to gaps so tiny that she has to threaten scientists not to seek knowledge of the beginning and end of things (thus showing that her faith was placed in nothing) while simultaneously praising science as "miracles" is the ultimate hypocrisy. She was blinded wholly by her devotion to a figment of the imagination of illiterate, ignorant Bronze Age goat herders.

Call me a fedora-wearing edgelord, but I'm 100% right. There's no reason to believe this shit now in 2016, and for her to use it as an excuse for authoritarianism in the far future is a crime against the human intellect and sense of dignity.

>>49457026
You're a fedora-wearing edgelord.

>>49457026
*tips*

>>49456244
This is the most inspiring thing I've ever read.

>>49457026
If they were illiterate, then how did they write the Bible.

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>>49457060
>>49457085
>>49457236

Fuck Christianity

So many cultures lost so many people killed over this bullshit religion


>inb4 lol ur a neckbeard atheist

Fuck you

Free Drones were right. Everyone else is shit.

>>49457261
>Mom didn't get me the chicken tendies I wanted, maybe tipping my new fedora will make me feel better

>>49456070
If people were worthy enough, then Santiago would have been the ideal human leader and thus led our species to greatness. As it stands, though, humanity probably deserves fucks like Morgan.

>>49457261
Nice crippling insecurity you got there.

>>49456070
Lal was the most right. He had the correct claim to the U.N. mission that started this whole mess.
Worst has to be either Yang or no, Yang.

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>>49456070
Right? Wrong? Why would an enlightened society have need of such obsolete binary concepts of ethics and morality?

Humanity must transcend such primitive dualism, and pursue the ascetic virtues of unity. Unity in mind and unity of body; the grand singular harmonious truth. Not falsehood, not conflict and antagonism that serves only to splinter our society and jeopardize our prosperity and posterity needlessly and uselessly on an alien planet that dreams of our extinction.

In such a enlightened society, individuality cannot exist as it is the antithesis of such tautological, totalitarian and beautiful unity.

>>49457362
But morgan is such a magnificent bastard I'd fucking follow him in a heartbeat.

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You'd do the same in his position.

>>49457404
That's why you'll never be a Spartan, kid.

>>49457423
Its better be prosperous and fat then mind worm food, Spartan scum.

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>>49457410
Man does not live on bread alone. Yang's ideology only seeks to create a body for his inflated head.

>>49457440
>and fat

Working out like 90 minutes a few days a week surely is easier and more productive than self delusion anon

>>49457440
Better to fall before an enemy than be defeated by yourself.

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>>49457451
Progress is not measured by daily gain but hacking away at the daily nonessential.

Man will not only live on bread but will live on far less, for it is within man's nature to break his own limitations.

>>49457476
Or you could put that time and energy into labor to build a better world for your children and their children. Why not sweat over the anvil instead of bleeding for a meaningless cause?

Santiago would have been right if she hadn't overlooked the fact that the planet had a magical synapse-fungus that rendered her methods inadequate. deirdre was therefore the most correct in a pure utilitarian sense, because she's the only leader who really wrapped her head around the implications of chiron's ecology. however, that doesnt change the fact that she was a creepy kook and deserved to live out her days in a pain booth for weaponizing mind worms.

>>49457518
Because the best world is that which holds the best people, and the best people will always be ready to bleed.

>>49457469
>he doesn't have over the counter pills and gene mods available on demand to get that 10/10 sexy bod without any effort at all. All at competitive prices that any middle class citizen can afford.

When will those Spartans learn?

>>49457476
But aren't defeated by an worthy enemy you get raped by planet itself. Toppest kek.

>>49457026
>>49457261
>Human intellect
>Dignity

Yes, remind me how much Lal elevated human dignity when they created genejack slaves.

Regale me how the Intellect of Man as a species was freed when Zarkarov installed AI overlords in his colonies and crafted fucking liquid metal terminators just because it satiated his curiosity and ego mommentarily.

Do tell how Dedrie's obsession with worshiping a mouldering hivemind and plans to reduce humans to the symbiotic herdsmen of psychic maggots elevates the future of the species.

Even Morgan's lust for the ever increasing 'profits' leads him to nerve staple his own workers if they should raise objection to his 'medical experiements'

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>>49457484
Yang does not seek to break man's fetters but to make them. He argues it is all for a way for all men, but this way already exists.

>>49457541
Then bleed for labor and industry, not vainglorious warmongering.

>>49457544
It was Yang who made the Genejacks. What better manifestation exists for the logical end of the Human Hive than a lobotomized simpleton!

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>>49457574
It is a father's duties to teach lessons and guide the son on his journey to be a virtuous man.

That path is arduous and turbulent but every step must be taken and every inch crawled and walked.

>>49457261

I havent seen this copy pasta in a while

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>>49457543
>Morgan
>competitive prices

>>49457598
Pardon, right, Yang, I visualized the right person, just not his name.

Lal is just a poor bastard who never truely left the Unity, stuck cloning his dead wife, pretending anyone cares about the opinion of United Nations who were never really united in anything.

>>49457594
Labor and industry are unworthy. War is the only thing which makes a man. You would seek prosperity for prosperity's sake; We would seek battle because it defines us, makes us better. No gene-mod, no philosophy, no religion, no technological convenience can raise up a man's character.

>>49457709
>this kills the Spartan.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2L5JgTkxAkg

>>49457658
And yet Planet is the best place for Lal. Each faction is just a different piece of what was to be a united effort. Each is too specialized to thrive, but with jolly cooperation Alpha Centauri would yield easily.

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>>49456070
They were all wrong. That was the fucking point. Any ideology taking to it's logical extremity becomes horrific parody.

>>49457772
>jolly cooperation
>rigs the U. N council so he gets double the votes

>>49457778
But who was less wrong?

>>49457781
He doesn't rig the council, he gets more votes because people realize he's not a fucking lunatic like everyone else.

>>49457781
>not the people voting for him in secret despite the risk of nerve stapling

>>49457778
Yes, but it's fun to pretend to subscribe to extreme ideologies on Tibetan sand painting imageboards, ya mook.

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>>49457793
Lal was the least wrong, but also a complete failure. If might makes right, Diedre was the most right, as she succeeded in the end.

Lal least wrong, Diedre most right.

>>49457709
Then you are lost.

>>49457796
That part is left ambiguous, they could be supporters to his cause, but Lal could be manipulating the flawed bureaucratic system to get the most votes via gerrymandering.

>>49457804
>implying Lal doesn't nerve stable uppity drones like every other faction.

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>>49457778


This man speaks the truth

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Why can't we all just go along?

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>>49457826
>implying he needs to when he can pay them off in NEETbucks

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>>49457840

Remember an idea or belief will always be taken to the extreme

>>49457849
>Only has one base while everyone else has 2-5
>Still fucking around with laser guns and impact rovers when everyone is moving towards particle impactors and plasma shard launchers
>M-muh wife is deaaaad!

>>49457778
That's fine on paper but it runs into problems when you consider that the University is right about everything and does nothing wrong.

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>>49457849
Because I'm angry!

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>>49457890
>university
>right
>does nothing wrong

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>>49457877

if you niggers want to go which STALKER faction is right ill go fight you right now

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>>49457261
>fuck the religion that laid down the base for western civilization and the moral code that I follow faithfully in this post

>>49457890
>applying the hell that is grad student life to 90% of society
University is not the worst, that's gotta be Yang, but it's pretty bad.

>>49457943
Could you give an overview of what they're about? Don't worry, we'll filter out your bias.

>>49457943
Scientists>Duty>Freedom>Bandits>Monolith

>>49457972
Loners>Clear Sky>Bandits>Monolith>Duty>>>>>Shit>>>>>Freedom

>>49457955
Say all you want about Yang, but when he's popping out based left right and center, rushed secret project command nexus before everyone else by 10 turns and spends all game making even more bases and planting big fat blobs of infantry units on those fucking +4 morale base, you're in for a bad time.

>>49457995
>the villain is powerful

I wouldn't have it any other way.

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>>49457960

Clear Sky

Basically comprised of the guys behind the C-Consciousness most of them felt guilty about what they did and wanted to either destroy or contain the zone.


Though their failure turned most of them into Monolith

>>49457995
Yep. That's why I always hunt his ass down at the start every time, or use the Planet Busters. Fuck letting him build momentum.

>>49457972

The only bad factions were Renegades,Monolith, and Bandits


The others had good reasons and ideals about why they were made.

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>>49457995
>tfw even after you manage to take Yang's bases his citizenry are so fucked up that it's almost best to just commit ethnic cleansing on most of his territories.

>>49458063
Except, you know, mercs.

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>>49458108
>Its almost best to just commit ethnic cleansing on most of his territories
>tfw yang's territory covers almost 50% of the fucking map because he wiped out 2-3 factions in the early game and has 75+ bases

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>>49458112

Or the Army

The Army indirectly created Duty if they didnt fuck over the soldiers they sent in without support then you wouldnt have gotten a faction of soldier STALKERs

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>>49458166
>mfw Yang has been expanding on another continent and I'm closest to him.

>>49457950
athenian democracy could more rightly be called the base of western civilisation than one of the youngest religions behind scientology

>>49458221
So we're not counting Islam?

>>49456079
I DON'T KNOW WHAT I'VE BEEN TOLD
DEIDRE'S GOT A NETWORK NODE
LIKES TO FLIP THAT ON-OFF SWITCH
DIG THAT CRAZY GAIAN WITCH

SOUND OFF

We always talk about the vanilla factions


Anyone have a love for the Alien Crossfire ones? I mean I only liked the Nautilus Pirates since muh pirates in space but the others were kind of meh

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>>49458257
ONE TWO
RED BLUE
LITTLE LAMB
LITTLE LAMB
WHOSE FLEECE WAS WHITE AS SNOW

>>49458304

A handsome young Cyborg named Ace
Wooed women at every base,
But once ladies glanced at
His special enhancement
They vanished with nary a trace.

>>49458295
Alien Crossfire was full of snowflakes. None of them had the kind of nuance the original factions had, and they were all imbalanced as well. It's a damn shame since the techs added were really cool.

>>49458295
I always felt like they should have primarily popped up under 'rebellion' circumstances, or to replace a fallen faction. Sub-factions that rarely have true bases but one can interfere and interact with on occasion.


Excepting the alien factions of course... entirely unnecessary they were.

>>49458230
as young, or a contributor to 'western civilisation'
I'm not discounting other contributors, just noting the historical significance of christianity doesn't really qualify it as the 'basis' of either moral codes or global social traditions

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>>49457261
>>49457026

Reminder that if your social engineering wasn't Democracy-Green/Planned-Knowledge-Eudaimonic then you were basically governing one kind of dystopia or another.

>>49458343

I honestly wish the Cyborgs were a little more brutal with assimilation instead of being peaceful like that

>>49458397
youngest religion barring Scientology.

>>49458470
>one of the youngest religions behind scientology
I don't think this rules anything out

I always had this hate for the fucking Gaians.

I dont know why but their fucking uptight "MOTHER GAIA" YOU DONT CARE FOR THE PALNNNNET" shit always got on my nerves

>>49458584
It's probably because their the designated hero and the most imbalanced. It's also probably why Santiago's militarism gets such a bad rap.

>Playing as Deidre
>Very poor tech gains
>Try to be neutral in a Santiago vs Yang war, when I realize Santiago is losing I try to make deals for her tech and she refuses
>Yang wipes her out and declares war for no reason
>Have to fend off his super powerful units with a base in a chokepoint staffed by 10+ recon rovers because they're all I've got
>Make deals with him to call off the war only for him to start it again a few turns later multiple times
>In desperation, I build a ship to search for new continents and find someone to trade tech with, I have only a few turns before Yang reaches Gaia's Landing
>Mother
>Fucking
>Zhakarov
>He wants all of my peaceful techs in exchange for all of his military shit he made to fight Miriam
>Use it to mercilessly wipe Yang out of existence, ignoring all of his pleas and surrenders
>Now that I have an entire continent, I try for a diplomatic victory
>Zhakarov and Morgan will vote for me, Miriam won't but she at least isn't hostile
>Fucking Lal will not be bribed or agree to a pact under any circumstances
>Realize I have no choice but to attack the peaceful UN if I want to win via diplomacy
This game is driving me insane.

>>49458900

I think the best way for a Gaia victory is get Morgan and Zhakarov and its ez

>>49458900

this shit is why everyone loves it

>>49458584

You're underestimating how terrifying dystopian gaians can be.

Thought control, swarms of mind worms used on their own civilians, continually sacrificing living standards and comfort for the sake of "planet"... they can be every bit as horrifying as Yang or anyone else.

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>>49459190

>MIND WORMS

Why does /tg/ always have good threads on this fucking game.

I love the threads and game but /v/ with all their bitching about loving older games doesnt seem to care for this that much.

>>49459190
Ya know whats worse then a dystopian gaian?

A dystopian Human Hive running a green economy and going for builder route. Human-mind worm hybrids, technology and infrastructure that is indistinguishable from human flesh, bone and skin. A literal canvas of hybrid human trees and skin and oceans of blood pumping nutrients into the entire system that would put the Worse Gigor-esque nightmares to shame

>>49459369


BURN


EVERYTHING

The big problem with this game is the lack of factions. In Civ you don't know if you'll have to deal with a whole bunch of culture civs or a mix or a bunch of conquest civs or what. In this game, you know you're going to have to deal with Santiago, Yang, and Miriam, and you know that all will be unreasonable assholes.

>>49459425

Or how you can't mix faction ideologies one good thing about beyond earth

Imagine a Goodwin and Santiago highly militaristic religious faction

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>>49457026
>Call me a fedora-wearing edgelord, but I'm 100% right.
aaand your post is now certified bait

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>tfw you realize chairman yang is your dad
>get in the plasma shard robot to transcend the misery of the individual in the collective triumph

What game?

>>49459443

>Aligning with believers

Believers bluster
Rant and hoot
We'll crush them all
'neath spartan boots

Yang's the most wrong because
>Implying he didn't kill the captain and start all this shit in the first place.

>>49457541
no matter how bloodthirsty or skilled, the Sword always yields to the Pike.

Economics and Prosperity have always led to greater military strength than, well, being literally Sparta. Turned out pretty poorly for them.

>>49457826
a little of column A, a little of column B.

>>49458221
>Athenian Ochlocracy
>good

>>49459552

This. You realize Yang's ego is what brought the conflict about in the first place, right?

>>49459571

>The sword always yields to the pike

You mean plow. I mean, the statement above is accurate in terms of unit tactics, but both represent the same concept, war, in your analogy.

>>49459485
Sid Meier's Alpha Centauri

>>49459629
>implying Yang isn't a incorruptible ubermensch that has mastery all of his sensory input and output through sheer force of will and mental discipline.

>>49459640
I mean in the sense the sword is the romanticized weapon of warrior kings and the like, while the pike is something associated with guards and militia.

It made more sense in my head. Plow would probably be better.

>>49457451
>Miriam in a bonnet

Things I never realized I wanted / 10

>>49459649
But it's not a traditional game, and it's not even Dwarf Fortress

>>49458332
but we ask you earthanon
will we too catch the planetdeath disease

>>49459826
Listen newfag, I know you're eager to fit in and all that but we've had Alpha Centauri threads on /tg/ for a long time. Try lurking more.

>>49456070
Is Peacekeepers most underrated faction ?

>>49457451
>Yang's ideology only seeks to create a body for his inflated head.
fun fact: for the longest time i thought yang's portrait showed his severed head placed on some kind of life support apparatus at the neck

>>49457529
>Santiago would have been right
her entire philosophy was "survive at any cost"

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>>49457933
>dat file name

>>49461695
UN had some good ideas but kept holding onto old Methods

>>49458108
Sven Pirates are too OP intermes of base expansion.

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>>49458295
>tfw no modern remake with modern game engine where most of factions or sub faction mechanism can be played simultaneously without changing anything else.

>>49459425
>>49459443
Do you even Social Engineering bruh>

>>49459826
GURPS Alpha centauri is enough for us to discuss it in /tg/.
Lurk more.

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>>49458295
Alien Crossfire factions were all unnecessary barring Domai's.

Data Angel's were literally just internet shitposting anarchists who could never conceivably develop or control a society let alone an empire

Viking dude was literally just trying to cosplay as a viking in space

Aki Zeta was literally just a University experiment

Cha Dawn was literally just edgier Gaia

Aliens were literally undesired and unnecessary

None of them fit except for Domai who was an exploration into workers Communism, a distinct form of government from Yang's Tyrannical Socialism

>>49462845
Why does Domai loook like Vin Diesel in a wig, wearing lipstick?

>>49462915
because Van Gasoline is a perpetual

>>49462845
Didn't even the Gaians hate the Cult?

>>49463556

And they weren't a cult themselves?

>>49462845
>Alien Crossfire factions were all unnecessary barring Domai's.
indeed

though Data Angels might have been a cool experiment into internet based society with direct democcracy , complete transparency ...basically pirate party stuff but they just destroyed that in favor of some hacking quotes

also the alien races had a really neat idea on how they communicate i kinda liked that but otherwise get that xeno shit out of here

>>49463847
>though Data Angels might have been a cool experiment into internet based society with direct democcracy , complete transparency ..
This is somehow a good idea when you got multiple polities who have the tech and the motivation to shitpost you to a standstill at very little cost.

Which ones were the most wrong?

At least Miriam had the interesting humanism and spirituality in a futurism context storyline.

The Spartans were a philosophical dead end on day 1. They were about being militaristic Isolationists and never advanced more than that.

>>49464087
You can't get worse than Yang, though.

>>49464087

I wish the Spartans weren't so focused on military

Like I love them but they should have gone a different route than full on isolation Full military factions always get the short end of the stick

>>49457261
Fuck Athiesm

Think of all the cultures and people that were killed by communist countries trying to wipe out religious cultures in their borders over some bullshit ideology.

>inb4 that's communism not atheism!
Fuck you

>>49464615
Sadly, they all were killed by the Gaians before they could become something else.

>>49459413
Grow everything, even.

>>49464669
If it was just atheismnot tied to communism, then id be okay with your point.
As it stands, plausible deniability.

>>49456070
Top is most right.

1. Zakharov because science gave us second chance - and science might give us third, fourth and next chances.
2. Deirdre because we shouldn't make some mistakes.
3. Morgan because resources exist to be consumed.
4. Pravin Lal because there is no need to fight against each other.
5. Sheng-ji Yang because he's fucking idiot.
6. Santiago because there's no need for a war anymore.
7. Miriam because there is no god.

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>mfw eudomia/police state yang
Nothing can stop the yangtrain

>>49457060
>>49457085
>>49458414
>>49459446
>>49457332
>>49457362
>>49464669
Do christfags have the most sensitive bottoms?
>>49457236
I would assume it was oral tradition until someone literate heard it and marked it down.

>>49456070
I'm a little confused, is this a campaign/story centric game where a certain narrative is played out every time (Militaristic faction gets killed by mindworms apparently?) or is it a sandbox game with a set settup that can go anywhere?

>>49457840

No, the truth wears black and red suits.

>>49458063

I can only assume you meant to include filthy anarchists into that list comrade, but simply forgot in the heat of the moment.

>>49464906
laughing_cardinals.jpeg

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>>49464909
It's a Civ-Variant. It's just that the factions have more to them than just faces and a frequency at which they launch ICBM.

>>49465255
>implying SMAC factions have more to them than just the frequency at which they launch planet busters

>>49464906
>everyone spoke in grunts and wore loincloths up untill 2016
the middle east is the very first area to have civilizations to have developed writing and the hebrews where known for marking their shit down so no the bible was not an oral tradition.
also if you want to bait about the bible do what other edgefags do and find a quote from the bible,cut it in half to make it sound strange or mean and then spam it.
this is 2008 tier shitposting m8 whats next chuck norris jokes?

>>49465648
No bait, just observing how quickly christfags get buttflustered. Also you need to do some reading yourself if you believe literacy was even close to widespread. Also it starting as an oral tradition is fact.

>>49465723
>>49465648
Some citation to go along with that
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/religion/story/oral.html

>>49459468
Get in the fucking Recycling-tank, Sheng-ji.

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The Dutch.
The dutch are wrong. All dutch should fucking kill themselfs right now
In fact anyone who's into tabletop gaming shold seriously consider suicide.

>>49457026
Miriam might seem a bit dated but keep in mind the mid 80s to early 90s marked the end of evangelical isolationism in America and saw the establishment of what is now known as the "Christian Right".

Fundamentalist, politically active Christianity was a relatively recent development at the time so Miriam's Believers are an extrapolation from that time period. It's doubtful that her faction would look the same if they were made today in 2016 (if a game like this could even have been made today).

>>49465255
I actually think Alpha Centauri got a lot of things much better than Civ. Aside from faction personalities, the game has political systems that feature actual trade-offs, rather than merely being stepping stones to more "advanced" political systems.

>>49466328
>All dutch should fucking kill themselfs right now
I was planning to do it, but now that you told me I won't.
HA!

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>>49464798
>science gave us second chance
It's also why humanity needed a second chance in the first place. Science is merely the tool, morals are what should actually guide humanity and Zakharov has none. Deirdre, Lal, and Miriam are the only leaders who seem to put some thought into whether or not they should use the bleeding edge technology.

>>49466404
typical dutcher

>>49457484
>Progress is not measured by daily gain but hacking away at the daily nonessential.

A) This is bullshit
B) I'm pretty sure Yang did not say that and you're just doing a poor imitation that misses the point of Yang. Either way, kindly proceed to recycler pods.

>>49456070
What game/universe is this?

>>49467170
Sid Meier's Alpha Centauri.

>>49467200
Thanks.

>>49467087
Yang didn't say that.

Bruce Lee did.

>>49467087
What is the point of yang?

>>49457484
>Progress is not measured by daily gain but hacking away at the daily nonessential.
No matter who said this, there's some truth to it. Actually it's kind of what I do for living. In theory anyway.

>>49467424
Yang is about transcending humanity, probably moreso than any other faction. He sees everything through a broad, dispassionate lens, more a physicalist than even Zakharov.

>>49467424
exploiting everyone for the good of all

>>49468062
Anon yang is the one who's forcing everybody to live in spiraling underground cities, with no privacy or material possession whatsoever and every waking minute in a Human Hive city is carefully monitored, regulated, adjusted and scheduled to maximize productivity from every able bodied citizen. Yang would totally try to force his citizenry to subsist on less and less food, energy and water if it increases productivity and efficiency. If they're at the breaking point of exhaustion and starvation, Yang will just engineer humans who can live in the kind of ascetic virtuous society that he plans to create.

>>49468062
>>49468192
Interestingly his ideas fit well in the Ascent to Transcendence.

>>49468192
Yes. It's a brutal, filthy path of transcendence, but the end result will be a human species unlike anything prior, an alternative route to the creation of a planet-spanning gestalt god.