Why so many settings use lovecraftian meme themes? Lovecraft

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>Invents the genre of modern horror
>A hack

It's past your bedtime anon.

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>>49439080

>Invents the genre of modern horror

Lets slow down there a bit bucko. I don't think Lovecraft is a hack but you need to get off his dick.

>>49439080
You know until 60's he wasn't even considered particularly good right? And I knew someone will post fucking Cthulhu. I bet you're the kind of fuck who believes ''Lovecraftian = le tentaclez rite? xD'' kill yourself.

>>49439159
Great minds in horror are often ahead of their time. John Carpenter's The Thing flopped on release and was considered a failure by critics and the public alike. Now it's considered one of the best horror films ever made and one of the great classics of the genre.

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>>49438964
>surely the niggers are behind this.

>>49438964
Thanks for reminding me to buy a Cthulhu plushie, OP!

>>49438964
wow someone just looked at the TVTropes page about HPL and decided to call it a day

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>>49438964

>>49439159
The US audience was pretty much indifferent to Lovecraft's work until some french editor published an article titled "Lovecraft is alive and well in Paris" circa 1970 (iirc) and the mainstream public rediscovered him.

To me the real genius is the invention of the Necronomicon and the legend that grew around it, the other books other authors invented, the cross-referencing, and reusing by other authors, Clark A. Smith and the Book of Eibon, Robert E. Howard and the Unaussprechlichen Kulten, Bloch for De Vermis Mysterii and the Cult of Ghouls, it grew into something blurring the lines of reality and fiction quite nicely and i'm quite certain each and every one of them, including Lovecraft had some good fun with that. Lovecraft even had to explain to people that the Necronomicon wasn't real after some people contacted him saying they found a seller, which was very likely a hoax by Bloch.

Now, for the stories themselves, well, you like his style or not, but you have to realise his very arid style is absolutely voluntary, see the first few paragraphs of the Dream-Quest of Unkown Kadath to realize how flamboyant his prose could be.

>>49439159
>I bet you're the kind of fuck who believes ''Lovecraftian = le tentaclez rite? xD'' kill yourself.
So do you dislike Lovecraft or are you bitter about people oversimplifying his work?

If you're gonna start pointless bitching threads at least be consistent.

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I have a problem with the amount Lovecraftian things are used in settings but not because I think they are bad.

I'm tired of GM's who think Lovecraft stuff is cool or scary just putting it in their game and thinking it will be equally scary. 90% of the time we beat the shit out of and kill these Lovecraftian beasties, and guess what? There was literally no reason to use a Lovecraftian beast instead of any generic fantasy creature. Having tentacles and "being indescribable" isn't a description and it isn't going to scare me without any proper build up or context.

Why do so many people describe Lovecraftian stuff as being indescribable and mysterious? Lovecraft always autistically describes every single tiny detail on his monsters. People go crazy because of what they ARE, not what they simply look like.

CYCLOPEAN CYCLOPEAN CYCLOPEAN CYCLOPEAN CYCLOPEAN CYCLOPEAN CYCLOPEAN CYCLOPEAN CYCLOPEAN CYCLOPEAN CYCLOPEAN CYCLOPEAN CYCLOPEAN CYCLOPEAN CYCLOPEAN CYCLOPEAN CYCLOPEAN CYCLOPEAN

>>49439785
SQUAMOUS, RUGOSE AND ELDRITCH

>>49439785
>>49439808
you know he used none of those words as often as people think he did

>>49439669
>Formless protoplasm able to mock and reflect all forms and organs and processes - viscous agglutinations of bubbling cells - rubbery fifteen-foot spheroids infinitely plastic and ductile - slaves of suggestion, builders of cities - more and more sullen, more and more intelligent, more and more amphibious, more and more imitative! Great God! What madness made even those blasphemous Old Ones willing to use and carve such things?

such fucking detail lmao

>>49438964
>>49439285

>surely the niggers are behind this.

Lovecraft's racism been greatly overblown in the last couple of years. Even if you disregard the whole "it was a different time" argument, his work became gradually less racist toward the end of his career, and several members of his private correspondence circle were ethnic Jews (as was his wife). Branding Lovecraft as a "racist"--not to mention entirely dismissing his work because of that notion--is completely shallow-minded.

tl;dr go back to humping your Octavia Butler body pillow, OP.

>>49439080
>Invented modern horror
What? Son, Lovecraft's writing was atrocious. He was the horror equivalent of Poe. His fame has more to do with a public misconception than anything of literary merit.

His infamy arose from his challenging the popular, optimistic image of humanity of his time period, which placed man at the center of the universe and said the sky's the limit.

Fucker couldn't write for shit.

>>49439868

I don't dismiss Lovecraft because of it, but he was a flaming racist even for his time. Not acknowledging that is just as myopic as saying "oh we can't name this literary award after Lovecraft because he said the word 'nigger'!"

>>49439159

I bet you're the kind of fuck who believes "Unpopular=le pour kwalitty rite? xD" kill yourself.

>>49439914
>"Unpopular=le pour kwalitty rite? xD"
That's the exact line of reasoning that drove Lovecraft's work to popularity.

>>49439914
Unpopular things are unpopular for a reason but Lovecraft is overrated if anything you daft cuntard imbecilic shitstain if I wasn't jerking off at this very moment while writing this post and had two free hands I would write quite a lenghty essay about the sheer retardation of your thought process but as for know let me tell you that you're a walking, living proof that abortion is a good thing.

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>>49439901

> He was the horror equivalent of Poe

Now that I think of it, Lovecraft really is similar to Poe.

Poe's writing is fucking bland even by old literature standards. But he had some really cool ideas and played with his tropes is pretty interesting ways.

"The Raven" and "Tell-Tale Heart" are almost unreadable but at least they had cool imagery. Lovecraft is kind of the same way.

>>49439909
>Not acknowledging that is just as myopic
No, it's really not. Just because you're losing an argument doesn't magically make it ok to use the "middle ground" fallacy to save face.

This new trend of trying to demonize renowned writers (and the occasional wrestling star) because of some bullshit hurt fee-fees is ridiculous.

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>>49439977
>Poe's writing is fucking bland

Try "So bad it's actually kind of funny."

>>49439901

I have to agree with this. There was really nothing about Lovecraft's prose that stood out. He frankly had a terrible writing style paired with an even worse vocabulary. There's no denying the last influence his works had on fantasy roleplaying, but I can't imagine he ever managed to garner much of a serious following back in his day.

>>49440006

>BRING ME A HIGHA LOVE!

Let's be honest most people dickriding Lovecraft or Poe didn't even read any of their works it's just le Cthulhu and Raven memery.

King in Yellow is older than Lovecraft works yet better so muh age means fuck all Lovecraft was just a fucking /r9k/ meets /pol/ shut in with nightmares I mean boofuckinghoo I had plenty of nightmares myself but didn't write them down to torture readers with this shit.

>All those elitists

Well, you should enlight us plebians, then.
What is decent and memorable horror?

>>49440011
>>49439901
Yet 60% of our horror film industry uses his work as the basis. The other 40% is slasher and ghost stories.

Sorry. as much as you like trying to be edgy, tryhard SJW shills, his writing made modern non-slasher horror what it is today. Nothing you can say can negate this fact.

>>49439991
Different guy, big Lovecraft nerd here. You've got some good points, but I don't think they invalidate the fact that he was racist.

While he was indeed married to a Jewish lady, he also lost said Jewish lady because she eventually got fed up with his "YOU'RE ONE A THE GOOD ONES" mentality. He definitely started to reevaluate all his views in the wake of that event, but "On the creation of Niggers", Red Hook, and his letters admiring Birth of a Nation were pretty telling.

There's no shame in liking the guy or his writing, and I'll happily defend him, but denying the racism as a whole is silly. It was definitely there, and sadly the guy died before we could see the extent of the change-of-heart he was going through.

>>49440117
>our horror film industry

you live in Zimbabwe or something?

If you're not Anglo there is no point in reading his works kinda like how Robert. E . Howard fucking bashed mediterrean people in his works and dickrided scandinavians. Like what the fuck was that all about what's wrong with Spain and Greece?

>>49440092

The problem is a lot of classical horror is actaully incredibly dense, boring, and not scary. This goes for Lovecraft, Poe, Stroker, Shelly, etc. The reason these works have the staying power they have is because for every ten pages describing gothic arches or Mina's dress or some shit like that there was a paragraph or two which was thematic lightning in a bottle.

And because Universal Studios managed to take those dense works and turn them into memorable films.

Personally, I've found horror more than most genres has the "diamond in the rough" problem. Like 95% of it across all mediums is utter crap.

>>49440122
>pretty telling.

OTOH, he wrote Asa and Hannah in CDW, who are both admirable characters and black. Guy's views shifted over time, clearly.

Saging for a shitty bait thread.

>>49440117
>Criticizing prose
>Edgy SJW shills

I don't think you know exactly who you're arguing with.

>Yet 60% of our horror film industry uses his work as the basis.

And 100% of modern horror is utter shit. Surprise surprise.

>>49440092
Dracula. Frankenstein. Turn of the Screw.

Just off the top of my head.

>>49440011
What do you mean by terrible writing style? What specifically about his writing style was terrible, and how did the vocabulary play into that? Educate me, anon.

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>>49440162
>And 100% of modern horror is utter shit. Surprise surprise.

>Implying Green Room wasn't the best film of the year

>>49440186
What work of Poe's or Lovecraft's was Green Room based on?

>>49439820
He used cyclopean pretty fucking often. But the others the not so much.

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Well, can we all just agree on one thing?

Borkug is best Lovecraft god and the last of the OGs.

Lovecraft wasn't a bad writer; what usually gets condemned as poor prose is actually a more experimental style that mixes a lot of different modes in an attempt to give the supernatural aspects of his work more grounding. He's writing intellectuals and gentry who are themselves obsessed with the status of difficult prose; have you ever read academic work? These are people who go out of their way to make themselves hard to understand, and Lovecraft manages to capture that tone so well.

>>49440162
>And 100% of modern horror is utter shit.
So do you not watch much horror or do you have a serious case of nostalgia goggles?

>>49440202


None, but it's modern horror and not shit, ergo your statement was false. QED

>>49440230
why would I spit on my hands before doing those am I some sort of fuckin degenerate?

>>49440263
This.

I get being turned off by Lovecraft because his writing can be dense or boring but to write him off as bad because you don't like the tone he was pretty successfully emulating you're missing the point.

Why does most """""""""Lovecraftian"""""""" stuff suck so bad?
>You can kill monsters like they were big animals
>Hack writers confuse cosmic indifference with the universe being out to kill you
>Look at weird things = insta-insanity

>>49440338
The quote is from HL Mencken. I'm surprised more people who use the word "degenerate" aren't familiar with his work.

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>>49438964
>There was an indescribable being crawling around blasphemously as I pondered about the meaningless of my existence, surely the niggers are behind this.

topkek. you surely ain't a retard, op

>>49440360

As is the case with most later works inspired by some codifier, people only took the barest surface elements and treated them as the core themes of the original.

Why do you think people call D&D "Tolkien-esque" fantasy when the shit you find in a D&D game has fuck-all to do with Lord of the Rings?

>>49440360
They aren't Lovecraft; thus they can only attempt to ape his writing style.
Most fail at it.

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>>49438964
i feel lovecraft is about the fear of the unknown. lovecraft and his popularity have created a pop cultural mentality where everyone associates lovecraftin themes with the mysterious and unknown without ever actually having read his works. Just like the original alien movie its scary because of how little you see the alien, the less you have read lovecraft's works the more scary they are.

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>>49438964
When have niggers actually been behind ANYTHING in Lovecraft's writings? They are just semisentient critters that fill the little crevices of society in the background. Sure, there were a few nignogs in side roles and various mentions of various kinds of interbreeding leading to things like those white gorillas in the caves and whatnot but niggers rarely did anything actually meaningful storywise

I like how most people complaining about his writing in this thread haven't actually read any of it, just the usual suspects that are only the most well kn own and most heavily 'troped' stories.

>>49439629
>90% of the time we beat the shit out of and kill these Lovecraftian beasties
play more Trail of Cthulhu purist scenarios. Final Revelation is highly recommended.

While, we're on the subject, what's everyone's favorite story of his?
Mine is the Colour Out of Space.

>>49440384
KINGS
QUEENS
DRAGONS
DWARVES
HORSES
FORTRESSES
MAGIC
AND SWORDS!

>>49440434
Mine is the one where he didn't suck but it wasn't published yet.

>>49440409
OP is trolling. Despite being a racist, Lovecraft didn't overtly let that influence his works. There is a definite sense of the white man's superiority, specifically the learned, British type, but not much more than that.

>>49440467
>What is Shadow over Innsmouth

>>49440391
what people don't get is that lovecraft is only partially (cosmic) horror. i doubt his goals was to frighten his readers to death with every short story. many of his stories are just plain WEIRD. kinda like a non-lighthearted doctor who of his time. weirdness for the love of the weird. i love it.

>>49440434
The Music of Erich Zaan

>>49438964

Its simple.

Dude was just lucky to create orginal theme and it stuck.

So I love the concept.

I don't like the Lovecraft.

>>49440434
Pickman's Model. Color Out of Space is fine too.

>>49440434

Ooh, that's a good one. Rats in the Walls is probably my favorite.

>>49440477
But those were fishmen and ugly fishneckbeards
I don't recall ever having eaten niggerfingers instead of fishfingers.

>>49440477
>A bumfuck coastal town where white people interbreed with fishfucks to make degenerate fish people.

>>49440434
I like that one. Also like At the Mountains of Madness and the Shadow out of Time. I mostly like the ones with heavier ancient "aliens"/space civilizations implications.

>>49440504
Fucking this. I'm tired of people saying Lovecraft thought the universe cold and uncaring and evil and blah blah blah. I don't think he ever made his universe so malevolent as much as indifferent

>>49440477
>overtly
It's a story about fish people, anon.

>>49440434
Thing on the Doorstep.

>>49440534
>>49440553
>>49440535
The entire story is a miscegenation allegory with fish people instead of non-whites. Have you actually read it? I don't think you have, it's extremely obvious providing your IQ is over room temperature.

>>49440434
Colour ot of space for me too
It is hard to choose a single favorite instead of half a dozen top ones

>>49440434

I'm gonna be a stereotype and say Call of Cthulhu


>A mountain walked or shambled


That line still creeps me out

>>49440586
What? Breeding with niggers gives you gold and makes your children have an urge to go skinnydipping among the reefs?

Well, I suppose that it would have worked with niggers too. Oh no, there is a creepy fishing village full of ugly people and some librarian said that I looked like one of them. My cousin is crazy but turns out it is just because we are half-niggers. Now I must go swimming

>>49440616
Walking mountains are so scary o.0


EDIT: Omg thanks for gold Reddit! xD

>>49440616
Strangely enough I never really liked Call of Cthulhu.
It wasn't bad but it certainly wasn't one of his best ones either.

Why is 4chan so racist? It was funny at first but now it's getting tiresome. Were you cucked by a nigger or something?

>>49440671
Fuck off.

>>49440586
>It's an allegory.
Look up what an allegory is. Lovecraft wasn't trying to make a grand metaphor with that story, you gigantic, self-opinionated twat. He was writing a story that would, from his point of view, frighten and disturb the reader of his time. And yes, marrying and procreating outside of your race would have been thought of as disturbing. Fuck, you're stupid.

>>49440671

4chan is a facet of internet counterculture.

Right now political correctness, feminist, social justice, and other progressive mores are in vogue in mainstream internet culture. So 4chan responds by swinging the other way.

>>49440677
Or what? Gonna cry about it on /pol/?

>>49440696
Who's crying?

>>49440691
Explains why 4chan is the only site to consider that pile of fucking shit Warhammer 40k any good while civilized world mocks it.

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>>49440646
>Oh no, there is a creepy fishing village full of ugly people and some librarian said that I looked like one of them. My cousin is crazy but turns out it is just because we are half-niggers. Now I must go swimming
zomg, it's like lovecraft reborn

>>49439901
>Lovecraft's writing was atrocious
What

Lovecraft's prose is some of the most wonderful purple prose ever, comparable to Kubla Khan. If you hate Lovecraft's prose, it's purely because you can't read for shit. Lovecraft is easy as shit to read.

>>49440709
>while civilized world mocks it.
The civilized world doesn't even know it exists you cunt.

Wow Lovecraft sucks.

>>49439901
>Lovecraft's writing was atrocious
Man I hate this meme. His dialogue is atrocious, his descriptions and prose ranges from decent to fantastic, never bad.

>>49440122
Different guy here, but my problem with "acknowledging" his racism is that "acknowledging" often means the same as "condemning", which naturally has to happen according to modern definitions of racism.

My issue with this is illustrated through the response to the award names after him: Two black writers (I believe it were two) accepted the award and then complained about it. But earlier, a Lovecraft fan refused to accept the award on account of considering the bust an offensive charicature. That's what those offended people should have done. But they want to have their cake and eat it, too. And that same impression is what I get from this phony "acknowledgement". You (this is the royal "you" i'm using here) want acknowledgement? The word "nigger" is right there in his work. You already have it.

What these people rather want is to forever attach it as a footnote. Oh, BTW, he was racist, don't you know? Like OP is doing. And that's what I consider to be tarnishing a man's character posthumously for the sheer pettiness of getting back at him for shit he said almost a century ago. In the end, the man was racist, but he was not defined by his racism.

I always think about my grandfather in these cases, because he was a colonial gentleman who seemed to consider black people less intelligent than white people. But he also gave up what these people would call "white privilege" because he hated racists. And I do mean quite a sizable family fortune. So if someone would want me to "acknowledge" his racism every time I mention him, that would offend me. The man was declared persona non grata in South Africa, for fuck's sake. Bigotry did not define him, even if he said offensive shit from time to time.

Similarly, horror writing is what defined Lovecraft. And even if he was a racist cunt, he was not so much of a racist cunt it occupied his every thought. So why should it occupy ours every fucking time his name is mentioned?

Threads like this are why every board needs IDs and flags.

>>49440731
I wouldn't say his dialogue is atrocious. The problem is that there's very little of it.

>>49440720
Everyone outside of 4chan knows 40K as ''oh that game about oversized guys fighting Orcs only neckbeards play?'' Sorry to burst your bubble but your epic grimdark setting is seen as childish, cringeworthy pile of shit for children just like anime. In real world outside of your basement shit like yelling ''for the Emperor'' while hugging an anime pillow and moving a plastic toy is not socially acceptable.

>>49440741
>Everyone outside of 4chan knows 40K
Yet again, everyone outside of 4chan doesn't even know it exists. Try harder.

>>49440739
Go to Reddit that's where everyone has nicknames so you can avoid people violating your safe space.

>>49440547
Nobody actually dies in Lovecraft's writing. Death doesn't exist in Yog-Sothothery, it's just a change of a state in being. When you die in Lovecraft-verse, you consciousness isn't lost, but changes its perception.

>>49440752
Someone doesn't know how IDs work.

>>49440752
Or /pol/. Wait a minute...

>>49440162
>calls HP out on boring prose
>cites Frankenstein and Dracula as counterpointa

Frankenstein literally has a chapter right before the final confrontation where Victor fucks off to the country and Shelly describes a vacation she had in excruciating detail. You chose probably the two densest horror stories as examples of "good prose"

>>49440784
>asspussy ravaged over the fact that people like an author he doesn't
>accuses other people of having hurt feelings
Pick one.

>>49440795
>Lovecraft fanboys jacking off to octopuses
>people

pick one

>>49440434
Shadow out of Time

Lovecraft hated Slavs and I'm a Slav so I'll propably won't check out his works if I wanted to read someone shittalking me I would go to /int/.

Fuck Stephen King btw. He always ends his stories with something retarded.

>>49440839
I wouldn't really compare one assburger obsessively lashing out at every single reply to the Hindenburg.

>>49440855
>Lovecraft hated Slavs and I'm a Slav so I'll propably won't check out his works
IP count didn't go up when you posted this.

Is there something you'd like to tell us?

>>49440839
It was inevitable.

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>>49440855

>and I'm a Slav

Opinion discarded.

>>49440873
Nah man. It ain't a disaster if it was shit from square one.

>>49438964
If your setting is a massive build up of tension and suspense to a character-altering reveal, thank Lovecraft.

If your setting is nothing but Shoggoths and Deep Ones strewn about casually, blame Derleth.

>>49440855
I've read a decent chunk of his works and I don't think he ever even mentioned Slavs in any capacity.

>>49440906
He called Slavs Mongol tainted.

>>49440922
They say the truth hurts.

>>49440922
So he called water wet?

>>49440934
>>49440937
Only Russians even have Mongol blood in them.

>>49440855
>hates people shittalking him
>posts on 4chins
cheers

>Fuck Stephen King
plus he's been shittalking rob e howard, this little faggot

Shittiest writers in history list

Tolkien

Lovecraft

Howard

King

Barker

Poe

G.R.R Martin

>>49440752
>implying Lovecraft bait isn't created and sustained by one or two people
Every time one of these threads pops up it's the same "Lovecraft was racist stop liking him" shit.

We know Lovecraft was racist, it's not why we like his work.

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>>49440960
Is that so?

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>>49440980
So posters just want to watch the thread burn, don't they?

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>>49440980
>mixing actual shit writers in so it's difficult to tell whether the post is genuine or not
It's been a while since I've seen subtlety like this.

>>49440993
I hope you're not calling fucking Finns Slavs?

>>49440980
>No Dean Koontz
Meme/10

>>49440990
>Every time one of these threads pops up it's the same "Lovecraft was racist stop liking him" shit.
Is anyone even seriously arguing that?

>>49441002
*Some
Damn, can't even write properly tonight. Must be all this shitposting getting in my system

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>>49441009
Of course not.

>>49440990
It's exactly why you like his work you fucking bigotted nigger.

>>49441030
More like its just an amusing cherry on top.

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Can't live in /tg/ without coping with the shoggoth on the roof

I'm black.

>>49441041
hows that working out for you

>>49439122
God I hate these kinda people.
Not the otherkin part the "OH MUH GAWD fuck you I am so mentally unstable and I am angry with you." cause you sure as fuck can't tell them to fuck off or calm them down.

And its not autism or anything, they're just some fucko with depression, ADD or schizo.

>>49441011
>Is anyone even seriously arguing that?
OP

>>49440738
anyone who's read Howard or even King knows that Lovecraft was smalltime.

Not that that's a knock against Howard or King but goddamn guys cool it with the blacks/asians being either retard savants or magical prophesiers

>>49441092
t. nigger

>>tumblr
>>reddit

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Hey guys I found a picture of OP.

>>49438964
>there was an indescribable being crawling around blasphemously as I pondered about the meaningless of my existence, surely the niggers are behind this
You might as well be describing life in 2016, OP.

>>49440434

Music of Erich Zaan.

>>49440980
you should have added that traditional games is a boring hobby for losers to make your bait complete

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>>49441085

It's just some anti-social Nice Guy who thinks he's scarier than he is.

People like that would be funny if they weren't so pathetic.

>>49441104
Are you mentally retarded or illiterate?

I'm white and I honestly don't give a shit about the "racism" it's just lazy that every retarded/handicapped person in King's stories is a magic psychic and that every foreigner in Howard's is an occult master who wants to murder the protagonist

>>49438964
I dunno. But the Shadow Over Innsmouth and At the Mountains of Madness, as well as the Red House, are my favorite of his stories. I think it was the Red House. It was the one with the cannibal.

>>49441156
ITS CALLED THE SHINING

>>49441119
why, did hillary faint again and couldnt get up?

>>49441152
No see its not even those. I never meet those kinda people.

It's the retards who go 1 to TAKE ME FUCK YOU SERIOUSLY FUCK YOU SHITLORD FUCK YOU in 10 seconds flat and you're like "What is even going on, what happened?"

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>>49441198
The story of Kek does seem like something what would fit in Lovecraft's world.

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>>49438964
As someone who is fond of Lovecraft, you're completely right. I've literally hat to put the book down because of how annoying his melodramatic bullshit gets.

Just take Lurking Fear:

>I saw a shadow. Utterly indescribable, I'm talkin some crazy mind bending extradimensional shit. I'm lookin at this thing like woah, this is literally the worst thing ever!
Thing was is that it was just a guy. Like an ape-looking doo but still just a guy and I saw his silhouette and it really threw me off. You know, cuz it was like rainin and shit and it was kind of spooky.

Dagon
>I was boatin around and saw a weird fish ass doo huggin a statue of himself. I was like wtf that shits scary, so now I'm crazy. Oh no, it's at my window right now as I'm writing this! Aaaaaagh

I love the ideas Lovecraft came up with and we have a lot to thank him for, but if you're going to call him a good storyteller then you're just an impressionable sheep. The greatness of men is not determined of the greatness of their legacy.

>>49441092
Howard's racism didn't seem very overt, from what I've read. King... well, I don't really care for King. He's also a much more modern writer.

>>49439868
You're just bullshitting. His racism isn't extrapolated from his fiction, it's a known fact that he was fucking wildly, rabidly racist. Read up on some of his opinion pieces on blacks. Like... Everyone was somewhat racist at the time and even they were telling him to chill.

>Branding Lovecraft as a "racist"--not to mention entirely dismissing his work because of that notion--is completely shallow-minded.

It would be, if anyone was doing that. Stop imagining SJW conspiracies where there are none, 4chan, it's unbecoming.

>>49441249
>The greatness of men is not determined of the greatness of their legacy.

Damn dude, that's some fedora-tier shit, right there.

>>49440434
Pickman's Model. It is one of the few with a great overall structure. Lovecraft often seemed to fail at endings but Pickman's Model has one of my favorite short story endings ever other than "YOU FOOL! WARREN IS DEAD!!!"

>>49439669
>Why do so many people describe Lovecraftian stuff as being indescribable and mysterious?
Because Lovecraft literally drops the word "indescribable" in almost every story. He'll proceed to describe them, of course, that's what makes it stupid.

>I cannot fathom it, for the shadow on that chimney was not that of George Bennett or of any other human creature, but a blasphemous abnormality from hell’s nethermost craters; a nameless, shapeless abomination which no mind could fully grasp and no pen even partly describe

He was describing a fucking ape. Just a primitive, devolved hominid. That's fucking it. Lurking Fear is one of the dumbest fucking things I've ever read and we need to stop pretending Lovecraft isn't kind of ridiculous most of the time.

>>49441321
Not really not at all no.

>>49440586
You have either not read or have read very little Lovecraft. If you actually wanted to pick a racist story, you could've chosen The Horror at Red Hook, where he talks about the Chinese like they're a different fucking species.

>>49441249
Except almost no one is calling Lovecraft a good storyteller. Most fans of his, myself included, are into it for the atmosphere and strangeness of the stories, not the storytelling itself. Remember that the term "cosmic horror" wasn't coined until somewhat recently and that Lovecraft's stories were originally described and sold as "weird fiction" which I think is a much better description.

>>49438964
Take you're shitposting to /lit/ you'll get more (you)S there

>>49441378
No, yes, it is. It's an overwrought statement intended to imply that the person making it is "enlightened" in some way, and that the general public isn't. It's a halftruth mixed with pretentiousness.

It's hugely fedora-tier, is what I'm saying. You can be butthurt about that, or you can just take it in stride.

>>49441278

It's important to differentiate young Lovecraft (especially when he lived in New York when he was basically /pol/ shut-in guy) from the man he became. The same snotnosed punk who wrote "On the Creation of Niggers" later wrote Asa and Hannah, two black characters who are real human beings without a smidge of stereotype about them.

>>49441393
>Except almost no one is calling Lovecraft a good storyteller.
But people are dismissing those who are calling out his flaws.

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>>49438964
>I don't like something.
>I don't have any reasons behind this besides my taste
>Therefore it is objectively bad
>even though generations have described it as hugely influential

You're a moron and everyone should remember to sage.

>>49441471
You know generations of people believed Earth is flat but that doesn't mean those fucking medieval shit eating apes were right.

What do you fa/tg/uys think of The Challenge from Beyond?
>http://www.hplovecraft.com/writings/texts/fiction/cb.aspx

>>49441443
Being racist isn't a flaw of the stories themselves.

>>49441443
The flaw I've seen posted the most is his racism, which is more of a character flaw and less of a writing flaw. Others are nitpicking as his choice of description of things that otherwise we wouldn't find frightening. Then again, we're more exposed to his shit than the average Joe reading up about a Mr. Lovecraft that a friend recommended him.

Most posters in this thread, being themselves a sort of mutt or lower breed, cannot truly comprehend the horror caused by having to exist in the same reality as a half-man, half-beast creature. You have to understand, if at all possible, that Lovecraft was an Anglo-Saxon and his stories were written to be read by other Anglo-Saxons. So anyone of a lesser race (that would be all of them) probably cannot fully comprehend.

>>49441614
/thread

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>>49441614
This one gets it

>>49441614
BEADY

>>49441614
But Lovecraft was Welsh on his mother's side.

>>49441614
Someone's finally got to the bottom of it.

>>49441685
delete this

>>49441249
>complaining that pulp fiction is melodramatic

Do you bitch that vanilla ice cream isn't chocolately enough too?

>>49440434
Nyarlathotep, because it's basically about the Obama '08 campaign.

"I do not recall distinctly when it began, but it was months ago. The general tension was horrible. To a season of political and social upheaval was added a strange and brooding apprehension of hideous physical danger; a danger widespread and all-embracing, such a danger as may be imagined only in the most terrible phantasms of the night. I recall that the people went about with pale and worried faces, and whispered warnings and prophecies which no one dared consciously repeat or acknowledge to himself that he had heard. A sense of monstrous guilt was upon the land, and out of the abysses between the stars swept chill currents that made men shiver in dark and lonely places. There was a daemoniac alteration in the sequence of the seasons—the autumn heat lingered fearsomely, and everyone felt that the world and perhaps the universe had passed from the control of known gods or forces to that of gods or forces which were unknown. And it was then that Nyarlathotep came out of Egypt. Who he was, none could tell, but he was of the old native blood and looked like a Pharaoh. The fellahin knelt when they saw him, yet could not say why. He said he had risen up out of the blackness of twenty-seven centuries, and that he had heard messages from places not on this planet. Into the lands of civilisation came Nyarlathotep, swarthy, slender, and sinister..."

>>49440527
my nigger

>>49441249
The Lurking Fear sucks. Dagon is okay, but hardly stellar. Lovecraft has much better stories, like At the Mountains of Madness, The Shadow Out of Time, The Dream-Quest of Unknown Kadath, etc.

>>49441761
I want to like Dagon but I mostly don't understand it or what exactly happened. I guess that was the point but it still bugs me.

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>>49440741
is this on my fucking /tg/?

Why the fuck does everyone need to piss and moan about his racism? The 1920's wasn't fucking great for blacks and they wouldn't have wanted much to do with whites anyways. It's not like he was literally hitler. He was a fucking loser in his lifetime, only liked by other pulp writers and not successful. Like, one of the reasons howard killed himself was because he was not getting popular and not selling, but lovecraft never ever ever supported himself on his writing. He lived off a tiny inheritance, suckled at his wife's tit, was literally a skill-less loser with no ability to do any job but work as a clerk in a store(completely humiliating for a man in his 30's to work in a store in the 1920's btw) and then his wife left him and he moved in with his only surviving aunt, got stomach cancer and died. He went to a pauper's grave. The end.

This is not some billionaire author who was secretly raping people while pretending to be this great man, he was a miserable man who created some really cool concepts with horror and people appreciate that.

If you're going to be a faggot and go "but but but he said da n-word!" then please hang yourself. You probably have said it more in life than he has

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>>49439909

It's true that Lovecraft was a racist guy, but most of his racism was confined to his personal letters. It crops in 4 out of his 60+ stories and 3 out of his 350 poems, but otherwise he kept it out of his professional writing.

Too much ink is being spilled over it these days. It is, in fact, entirely possible to be a great writer without being a good person -- I'd even go so far as to say great people who are also good people are the exception rather than the rule. Lovecraft's racism is being overblown in that we're starting to see things like pic related become more common: people acting as though racism permeates all of his work (when it doesn't) and he deserves to be forgotten because of it.

>>49440122

Sonia Greene and Lovecraft divorced due to serious financial strain, not because of his attitudes. They were living apart at the time and had been for a while, because after she lost her hat shop she moved to Cleveland for new work that required her to travel a lot while he stayed behind in a tiny Brooklyn apartment. The divorce was entirely amicable; they just both realized it wasn't working out.

>>49440755

People die. Lake's team got slaughtered in At the Mountains of Madness. The Emma's crew died in The Call of Cthulhu except for the one survivor. The entire Whateley family dies in The Dunwich Horror.

But he rarely wastes time on gruesome depictions of death, that's absolutely true. Deaths usually happen offscreen, and they're not the focus on his work. This isn't Saw. Gore isn't the point. His horror is more focused on the insignificance of humanity in the cosmos, so death isn't done a lot because it just doesn't matter, like everything else humans do.

>>49439991
>This new trend of trying to demonize renowned writers (and the occasional wrestling star)
>wrestling star
You know that moment when you're listening to somebody and nodding your head, then they suddenly say something that makes you lose all respect for them?

Kind of like: "The Doors were a phenomenal band with a gift for creating great music second only to Justin Beiber."

Or: "It's easy to make fun of, but Star Trek was a pioneering work of science fiction for its time, and Kirk, Spock and Bones have what is probably the best character dynamic in any J. J. Abrams movie."

>>49441443
but for us these are no flaws. we're looking for weirdness and his "flaws" just add to the weirdness of the themes involved. we're not looking for horror, great structure, compelling characters, carefully created mysteries, satisfying resolutions. we want the strange.

lovecraft is coltrane, not britney spears.

>>49441920
>They're immortal masterpiece-creating superhumans
Fucking no.

>>49441939
>Or: "It's easy to make fun of, but Star Trek was a pioneering work of science fiction for its time, and Kirk, Spock and Bones have what is probably the best character dynamic in any J. J. Abrams movie."
God, I think I lost a few brain cells just imagining that someone could seriously have that opinion.

>>49441920
I know you posted this under the impression that it's insightful, but that poster is full of shit and that post is a retarded meme.

>>49441426
>It's an overwrought statement
It actually can't get much more concise than that.

>intended to imply that the person making it is "enlightened" in some way
I mean if that's how you perceive the nature of disagreement that's on you. If you think the general public isn't on board with that it's probably just reflecting your own opinion. As for pretentiousness - no, nothing pretentious about it all. It's an incredibly simple statement, you're just insecure and projecting.

>It's a halftruth
Fulltruth

>You can be butthurt about that, or you can just take it in stride.
I think I'll just pass on both thx

I don't think we should gush over someone just because of whatever beneficial consequences there m may have been of whatever they happened to do. If you think I'm acting more

>>49441545
when the fuck did I say that
I don't give a fuck that he was racist I'm talking about his dogshit writing

>The flaw I've seen posted the most is his racism, which is more of a character flaw and less of a writing flaw.
Then it's not what I'm referring to

>Others are nitpicking as his choice of description of things that otherwise we wouldn't find frightening
I went over what I consider to be wrong with his writing in several places in this thread and I suspect others have as well - you're not fairly representing it.

>>49441998
>for us there are no flaws
That's a choice you make, but it doesn't hold water in an argument.

>>49440539
>I like that one. Also like At the Mountains of Madness and the Shadow out of Time. I mostly like the ones with heavier ancient "aliens"/space civilizations implications.
This. I love his more science-fictiony shit. However, I'd also put The Dream-quest of Unknown Kadath up there with At the Mountains of Madness and The Shadow Out of Time as my three favorites. The Colour Out of Space is good too, and I always like the mood of The Outsider.

>>49442027
>>49442065
Ofcourse it is full of shit and that's why it belongs in this thread

>>49441385
Best bit is that he was in New York when he wrote that, he was very much writting from the heart for that sprint of shitty stories. It's only when he went back home to live with his aunts in good old white washed providence that he started writting things that were slightly above shit. Undoes a lot of good will people try to put on him to try and say that lovecraft work isn't just racist shit based in jacking off to othering.

>>49441901
Their bodies are dead, but their consciouness does not cease. It only appears to be so because of their finite perceptions and stretch of their existence. Nothing in Lovecraft verse can be actually destroyed, like death in reality. Rather it is changed. Their state of existence has changed, but it has not ceased. Although arguably, being blind, deaf, dumb, and paralyzed is little different to death.

>>49442028
>God, I think I lost a few brain cells just imagining that someone could seriously have that opinion.
I lost a few brain cells just watching that movie. I'm thankful that a couple of my really good friends are critical of it, because everybody else I talk to seems to unconditionally love the movie.

>>49442230
Anything that's fun, popular, and/or a remake is automatically bad and it takes a true intellectual to recognize that

>>49441845
>smug progressives trying to turn Lovecraft fiction on its head
The funny thing is that Lovecraft encouraged others to take his ideas and use them in their own works. This retard thinks she's being edgy by having nonwhites write cosmic horror when not only has it been happening for quite a while at this point, but Lovecraft himself probably would have been glad to see it.

>>49442310
See, I know it *sounds* like you're complimenting me...

>>49442382

She's also an idiot for thinking Lovecraft had anything against women or LGBT.

He didn't have many women in his stories, but there's no evidence to support any sort of hostile attitude. Same with LGBT.

And of course there's this bit about love, finding yourself, and hope. As if she hadn't already proven she had absolutely no idea what she was talking about.

>>49442310
>Anything that's fun, popular, and/or a remake is automatically good and anybody who criticizes it is a self-important hipster.
Star Trek was schlock. It wasn't boring, but it was stupid and really nothing like the thing on which it was based. Hell, Abrams is on record saying that he never "got" Star Trek and tried to make a movie for folks like him.

>>49442474
>And of course there's this bit about love, finding yourself, and hope.
I prefer to be optimistic and assume she's talking about the upsides of becoming a deep one.

>>49441614
THIS IS THE ANSWER.

You don't find people who aren't racist white folks or wannabe master race who like Lovecraft work. It's racist in all ideology and presentation.Ancient primitive shit upsetting good white christan values, the horror of your family bloodline, and insidiousness non white people who have no problem sacrificing your white babies to some god that actually doesn't' care about them.

This is why his racism gets brought up so much, some racists are so deluded and wallowing in their racism they can't see it.

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>>49438964
Oh look someone came to shit on people's fun. I'm sure we're going to get into how Tolkien's Orcs were niggers and that his legacy is undeserved. Or that because R.E.H. shouldn't be as well known as he is because Conan was a blatant self-incertion fantasy.

I think him getting married kinda mellowed him out.

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>>49439669
>Lovecraft always autistically describes every single tiny detail on his monsters. People go crazy because of what they ARE, not what they simply look like.

"The Thing cannot be described - there is no language for such abysms of shrieking and immemorial lunacy, such eldritch contradictions of all matter, force, and cosmic order. A mountain walked or stumbled."

Oh yeah, plenty of autistic detail there.

>>49443935
The only one I can think of off the top of my head where he did that was in The Dunwitch Horror where he describes the corpse of Wilbur Watly

>>49440434
The Whisperer in the Darkness.

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>>49443835

He wrote his most baldly racist story, Horror at Red Hook, WHILE HE WAS STILL MARRIED. He wrote it in response to living in Red Hook, in Brooklyn.

Being married didn't mellow him out, he just generally had a good sense for dividing his personal feelings from his professional work. The truth is that only four of his stories had significant racist themes, those being Horror at Red Hook, The Street, Arthur Jermyn, Shadow Over Innsmouth. So four stories out of 60+. Now, you do have passing racist references in other stories like the cat's name in Rats in the Walls, but these are no more significant than similar references to be found in, say, the detective fiction of Raymond Chandler (who has direct comparisons of black people to gorillas and a character repeatedly referred to as "the little Jap"). Do we need to raise a big stink about Chandler too?

Even in his poetry, you're looking at 3 of his poems or so dealing with matters of race, out of 350.

Most of his racism is in his letters and other correspondence, i.e. stuff he didn't intend for publication.

Was he racist? Absolutely. But it never dominated his work to begin with, and his marriage seems to have had little to no effect one way or the other.

>>49441816
Howard killed himself over his mother slipping into a terminal coma.

>>49444097

Wasn't Red Hook the one his publisher pushed him to do because shit like that was supposedly selling well to the knuckle-dragging clods that were buying a lot of pulp at the time?

>>49440434

Colour Out of Space is his best story.

But At the Mountains of Madness is my favorite.

>>49444123

I think you might be thinking of Herbert West -- Reanimator.

>>49440434
The Dunwich Horror

Lovecraft's racism was one of the driving forces in his work. He was obsessed with the past. Despite being born in the Victorian era he was more comfortable with the trappings of the Edwardian era.

Lovecraft's horror was based on his realization the traditions he cherished would not stand the test of time. Society was changing into something he was uncomfortable with. While he blamed foreigners for diluting anglo culture, he also acknowledged that science and technology were to blame.

>>49444149
Herbert West was originally published in a humor magazine.

>>49444252

This is so fucking wrong.

Lovecraft had a passion for science and was a full-throated atheist to obnoxious levels. THOSE are the driving forces in his work. It's why he was so intent on writing cosmic horror where humanity was completely insignificant -- to portray a world with no loving or caring god to help humanity.

It's true that he was obsessed with history and the past, but his stories fill the distant past with horror -- take a look at At the Mountains of Madness, or really any number of stories that talk about how the Old Ones ruled before and shall rule again. All of these are much stronger driving forces in his work. Where is the racism in At the Mountains of Madness? Or The Whisperer in Darkness? Or The Colour Out of Space?

Was he racist? Sure. Does it come out in some of his stories? A few are definitely quite racist (unusually so even for the time), and there are passing racist elements in quite a few more (perfectly in line with the time), but to call it a "driving force" is to prove your own ignorance.

>>49441614
>Anglo-Saxon
>Not mixed race mutts; bastard childern of the Anglos and the Saxons who further race mixed with Normans and Frenchies

Jesus Christ this is some "/pol/ ignores real life ethnic studies" stuff.

>>49439285
It more like, "or shit am I part nigger or something?"

>>49440934
It's not true but in his time people didn't have modern ways to analyse hoplotypes and what not. I wouldn't mind being part Mongol though. The Horde Mongols were pretty cool.

>>49441152
Those people have it pretty hard. Let them have their misguided sense of superiority.