MTG Modern Thread

>>49435290

because he costs 4 mana so nobody will ever get to play him and when they do he won't be enough to stop them from dying next turn against fair decks

You don't have to make a modern thread just because there isn't one. If there's nothing to discuss it just dissolves into shitposting about:

- SJWers
- Chinese Proxies/Poorfags
- What would you unban

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POORFAGS GET OUT OF MY CARD GAME

IF YOU CANT AFFORD IT YOU DONT DESERVE IT

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

I'm almost done building Emeria Control.
I want it to look more like D&T so I can punnish harder match ups like tron.
Any suggestions?

>>49435446

ya, post your list so people can see the difference u fuck

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>>49435353
Pepe always remind me of him

Post your want list for the next Modern Masters and if their rarity should be changed

>Abrupt Decay (@uncommon, narrow enough to be draft balanced)
>Mutavault
>Liliana of the Veil
>gitaxian probe (@ uncommon)
>elves archetype in draft
>Delver of Secrets
>Kiln Fiend as a capable draft pad threat
>Ensnaring Bridge
>Thoughtseize
>Snapcaster Mage
>Huntmaster of the Fells (MAYBE @rare)
>Stony Silence
>Thought Knot Seer

cards that FUCKING matter
i dont wanna see your shit ass giant tribal or arcane draft format ever again, wizards. you bunch of fucking jews. I want to open a 10 dollar pack and know I'm getting MOSTLY modern playables, not 3 or 4 playables and then a bunch of draft garbage.

>>49435290
>Also discuss why Jace TMS should be unbanned this month
He shouldn't be, end of story
If you really want to make control absurd, unban top and let miracles into the format

I want to get into modern but looking at the ban list and it looks like they just ban every single fun card. Surely the ban list doesnt need to be that many cards, does it?

>>49435646
Which format are you coming from?

>>49435626
>control ABSURD

Yes because 1 card would make the entire archetype go from literally unplayable to fucking ABSURD DUDE

Fuck off retard

>>49435646

>every single fun card
if infect killing you on turn 2 with two cards is your idea of fun, you can fuck right off back to legacy. we don't have force of will here pal.

>>49435659
Legacy lol. I have a legacy infect deck that can easily be made into a modern one, so far thats the only deck that interests me in modern.

>>49435692
>>49435697

holy fuck i was just guessing. i'm really glad I posted that now.

>>49435543

But anon, modern masters 3 needs to be a draft environment because people don't like cracking packs just to get rares. It IS a rationale, and justifiable. But there shouldn't be any reason to not have MM3 just be a cube with good reprints in it and actually be a fun draft environment.
>UR gets spellslinger, which is basically less Pauper Fiend Blitz (You can reprint Izzet Cyclops or whatever too)
>GB gets Abrupt Decay and Maelstrom Pulse with Elf tribal
>G generally gets creature buffs like Might of Old Krosa (there is no reason for a non-berserk pump spell to be more than $2 or so)
>Reprint of Noble Heirarch
>Reprint of the Swords at rare
>no more fucking mythic rare bullshit
>ever

I can guarantee that the next MM is gonna feature werewolves like a motherfucker, with all the good shit being Mythic as to not disrupt the draft environment

>>49435790

I'm not saying not to make it a draft environment, just make the archetypes also modern valuable, like what you're getting at. I think Fiend Blitz is a great starting point for a draft archetype, with lots of modern playables in it. Elf tribal is modern playable. Give us Fish in blue if necessary, with spreading seas and Master of the Pearl Trident at uncommon. hell, they could give us budget infect, with glisteners and some pumps and mutagenics and inkmoth at rare.

I wouldn't expect them to perfectly mirror the metagame, but at least work a little bit fucking harder at making the draft cards more modern playable. I don't ever want to pull a pack of modern masters and hit a riftsweeper again. And give us zendikar fetches, will ya? christ.

is manaless dredge viable in modern?

>>49435911
You lack dread return and cabal therapy so I doubt it
You'd have to run bloodghasts instead of ichorid so you'd want to run lands anyway, although maybe something like a 10 land dredge could work since the rest of the deck is kind of there

>>49435679
>He has not played against a miracles engine
Pls kys
>>49435626
Miracles would be sweet, but it would still need a brainstorm effect.
Also it yould trigger all the timmy's who hate counterspells and removal and wraths

>>49435969

he's saying that if the best miracles can do is brainstorm on 4 without any other effect, it's in no way gonna be viable with no other unbans like brainstorm or top.

How to make control viable again
>unban preordain
>unban seething song and make combo great again

Alternative way (hardcore)
>unban mental misstep

>>49435353
Even if I can afford it, I'd rather buy a new car than 200 grams of cardboard

>>49435977
Let them have top too and we could have an interesting format
Fuck misstep though, that card was a misstep on RnD's part

>>49435992
But it would kill infect. Fuck infect up, for fuck's sake, it should be the number one objective. Burn will always be a thing, Zoo can be held down somehow, Affinity gets hated a lot. I know it's not the format's prominent deck, but Infect is most of what's wrong with modern.

>>49436076
So what, do you think infect won't run misstep? A card that hits 85% of relevant removal against it? Feeds the grave for become immense? The card that says, "Fuck you, turn one!"

Show me on the doll where the infect player touched you.

>>49436076
so bring back twin
it wasn't an unwinnable matchup for infect but it forced it to slow down
Misstep is retarded, infect can just run it and be fine

>>49436131

and missteps the opponents missteps, can't forget that.

mental misstep would single handedly warp the entire format beyond any other card printed.

>>49435969
You aren't gonna be playing miracles with just Mind Sculptor

No top = no miracles
No brainstorm = no miracles

Literally kill yourself

>>49436177
oh, you mean like it did in legacy?

>>49436195
Learn to read you fucking moron

>>49436280
Explain why a Jace unban would be the death of modern

Go

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>>49435963
i was thinking of something like this

maybe i could add a couple lands to ensure the mana to play at least some of the cards, basic or shocklands, idk
too much dredgers also?

should give it a try.

>>49436321
Dread return is banned mate
Switch that and the zealots for 1 more probe, 1 more wraith, and 4 looting

>>49436197

exactly that.

Cheapest tier 1 deck? I hate this fucking format but I want to be able to grind more events.

>>49436378
infect

>>49436312
I don't have to. It's not what that guy said

>>49436370
>I cannot read chained post
Commit sudoku asap
>>49435290
Unban SFM
Reprint counterspell or daze
Profit

>>49436414

>make post saying it would warp the format
>person says "like it did in legacy?"
>exactly (which is why it's banned in legacy too)
>you shitpost saying i can't read

?????

>>49436414
Counterspell would do fuck all to this format

>>49436582

this
its a turn 4 format which means in most cases save for the Tron matchup your Mana Leak is online. all it would do is make counter suites that little bit wider

>>49435290
Because wizards got news that the secondary market needed a new price spike in old cards. JTMS would go straight up from $60 for damaged copies to $100.

>>49436582
It would replace mana leak, or go aside it.

>>49436364
whoops.
not enough red mana for the looting, probably i should put one with nothing

>>49436615
This
Also it makes deck construction have less variance. Counterspell is usually just as good or better.
>>49436628
Unless the mana is bad it just replaces it outright.
Also when glistener elf drops turn 1 a 2 mana counter does nothing.

Just won a game with a combo dredge brew, will post list later if its decent
>>49436640
i used 4 copperline gorge and 4 simian spirit guides, worked pretty well

Posting shitty "Manaless" Dredge list

4 Copperline Grorge
4 Dakmor Salvage
4 Simian Spirit Guide
4 Bloodghast
4 Bridge from Below
3 Demon of Death's Gate
4 Golgari Thug
2 Phantasmagorian
3 Sickening Shoal
4 Stinkweed Imp
4 Gitaxian Probe
4 Narcomoeba
4 Golgari Grave Troll
4 Faithless Looting
4 Greater Gargadon
4 Prized Amalgam

Board
3 Abrupt Decay
4 Ancient Grudge
4 Thoughtseize
2 Nature's Claim
2 Surgical Extraction

>>49436693
Bro you clearly don't know how to play control against infect.
If they try to turn 1 glistner you respond with:
Symian
Symian
Manamorphous
Manaleak

How much would you modern players pay for Liliana, the last hope, foil or normal? I´m thinking about selling mine two.

>>49436507
Wtf? What? This is about sensei top
Again what???

>>49437062
Nothing. Zero.
It isn't good

>>49437173
Okay. Damn it.

Anyway, thanks for the answer.

After 5 games, I've concluded that this Dredge list is just like regular dredge except with 0 consistency, 0/10 would not bang

>>49436076
I don't think you fucks realize how easy it is to shut down an infect shell.

Do you even run removal at all?

>>49436197
Legacy has FoW, which is 100% better than misstep.

Literally everyone would have to run misstep in modern. Legacy isn't entirely built on 1 drops like modern.

>>49437387
>I have no idea what I'm talking about

>>49437387
Misstep WAS legal in legacy and it totally fucked up the entire format, so you're talking out your ass

>>49437167
No it isnt. Read the reply chain again, you shit lord

>>49437167
>This is about sensei top
Either you replied to the wrong post, or you have very poor reading comprehension. This is how the replies went:

>unban mental misstep
>Fuck misstep
>But it would kill infect
>do you think infect won't run misstep
>mental misstep would single handedly warp the entire format
>oh, you mean like it did in legacy?
>exactly that

>people getting but flustered by infect
I'm sorry you're bad at magic and jam literally no responses in your main board to anything at all

>3 recent tournaments
>out of 24 players, only 2 infects were in any of those tournament top 8s
Deck's fine boys

Any NYC Manhattan anons ITT? I was looking to play FNM this week near my office in Chelsea. Is the Compleat Strategist an alright shop? Do you locals play elsewhere?

>>49437450
Are you forgetting how infect runs 8 cards that stop their opponents from removing their creatures? And even some run spell pierce?

>>49437528
Are you impliying that they can win t2 and protect their creature? that is not possible unless you are bad at magic

>>49437558
it IS possible, but absurdly unlikely, since you'd need 3 mutagenic growths or 2 with become immense and blessing

>>49437528
To protect their creature AND protect themselves from removal, they aren't killing you even with a full hand.

>>49435543
Mutavault isn't expensive, what about cavern of souls?

And on the matter, I just dropped 500€ on a merfolk deck, should've I waited for the ban list update?

>>49437678
No, Merfolk is fine
Infect is the only thing looking shaky and tournaments after orlando are showing that it's still a good deck, but it's not dominating like people are making it to be doing
Affinity had more representation across the top 8's from Portugual, Scotland, and Sevilla than Infect did, and Infect didn't win any of those tournaments, only got second in one

>>49437528
Just remove things on your own turn so they have to waste the pumps / might not have the mana up

>>49437734
This
People are getting too cheeky with infect, trying to stop the damage when it comes in. Trying to bolt the creature on your turn means they can't use those pump spells on their turn, and if you leave mana up, you might be able to catch them during their upkeep

>>49436582
>>49436615
Counterspell helps control decks go long without sacrificing early game interaction.

>>49437828
Late game*
that's the difference with mana leak

>>49437929
>go long without sacrificing late game interaction
That's redundant anon
His post was correct

I understand it's a massive stretch considering it would be fucking bonkers if they did, but I'd they unbanned BBE, wold jund run 4 of them for maximum value?

>>49438090
Probably just one, and that's if they choose to run it over Kalitas

>>49438090
At least one. The issue with BBE is it is super card advantage and pressure in one card. Nothing about its design is fair. Unbanning it will just let jund be an agro deck.

Lily of the veil pretty much HAS to be in MM17 right? They keep saying they're trying to reprint her and cucking out along the way. What about Grove of the Burnwillows? I could see that and tron being printed in there together.

>>49438554
we can only hope
they've been a lot more lax with their reprint policy though so probably

>>49438573
It's hard to say rareshifting popular uncommons is an improvement.

>>49438554
IDGAF someone just bought mine.

>>49438615
True, and it's fucking stupid
But Berserk got a reprint, so I figure there's hope for other good cards

>>49438573
One of the things yugioh does better. Everything gets reprints!

Except Black Stone of Legend, Qliphort Monolith, and PSY-Framelord Omega.

>>49438658
Nothing like mythic shifting rares.
This isn't that related, but if Wizards went back to printing walkers at rare I'd forgive them. They could save the mythic slot for reprints.

>>49438670
yeah, but the tradeoff is every cards is like 10-15 dollars so decks cost comparable amounts
plus buyouts happen a lot more
fucking reprint qliphorth monoloth though

>>49438688
Walkers were rare for all of 1 set and that's only because Planeswalkers predated mythics.

Mythics always existed in that certain rares had lower print numbers than other rares (Sliver Queen is my goto example), I don't know for certain but I would imagine that the Lorwyn 5 were like that too.

>>49438713
Fuck Monolith, I just want Omega so I can play Shiranui.

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>want to make deck oriented around Kiora
>both Kioras suck monkey balls
>I like her the most out of all Planeswalkers

How essential is raging ravine in jund? I proxied all of the expensive cards and am only missing those.

I want to take it to fnm this week but lack the funds to get the ravines until next month

>>49438769
restore balance :^)

>>49438778
Extremely. it is a beat stick as a land.

>>49438804
Well shit. Alright then

>>49438688
What if walkers get reprinted from mythic to super mythic? :^)

>>49438832
Lili at ghost rare
Snapcaster at ghost rare
Crucible at ghost rare
All expensive removal at ghost rare

tarmagoyf at mythic :^)

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>>49438860
are you havin' a giggle m8

>>49438860
Ghost Rare was shit, Ultimate Rare is best rarity.

>>49438832
The not-egypt lane could totes get away with having their expeditions to be walkers with the whole, "Rise to a god like state of being" thing.

>>49438860
Ghost rares also only comes in halfs, so you have to buy their top and bottom half to play them.

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>>49438860

>your face when Modern Masters 2017 has Expeditions/Inventions/Whateverthefuck

>>49438917
Arcanizations
>abrupt decay
>dismember
>probe
>serum visions
>looting
>inquisition of kozilek
>pte
>duress

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Why doesn't Magic have Ultimate Rares?

>>49439004
It does though. How many Tarmogoyfs have you seen at your LGS?

>>49439098
None, because I don't play Magic

>>49439004
Expedition lands, Kaladesh inventions, and other shit like alt Kaya

Hey fa/tg/uys, I'm currently playing Delirium Jund with Grim Flayer. So far it's been doing very well and Delirium has been pretty easy to get, making Grim insane.

Anyway currently in my list I'm running a 1 of Kalitas, but have been thinking of switching to a 1 of Huntmaster. What are the pros and cons of either card?

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>>49438860
>damnation at ultra super full art ghost rare

>>49439591
Kalitas is better, but sometimes you might not live long enough for him to swing.

>>49435543
>LoTV
>Delver
>Ensnaring Bridge
>Snapcaster
>Noble Hierarch
>Goblin Guide
>Lightning Bolt

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>friend who strictly plays modern and commander begins building a budget standard deck to play at fnm

>he eventually ends up going full retard and trades 3 lili otv's for a player of grim flayers and 3 new lilis

He didn't even ask if I wanted to trade for them.

I'm never going to see those lilis again

>>49439674
Playset
Fucking autocorrect

>>49439622
Had that happen last night against Burn, if it was Huntmaster that turn he would not have won.

>>49435543
I'm betting the modern masters will be garbage just like the last one

I don't even get the point of modern masters sets really

If you had to choose between shocklands from Ravinca and fetchlands from Khans. Which one would you suggest going for first?

>>49439674
I cringed so hard my eyes are permanently shut. I sincerity hoped you told him how much of a retard he is and smacked him upside the head.

>>49439718
Shocks first

>>49438917
>$20 packs
>but you get a chance at a super mythic so it's worth it :^)

>>49439708
For a fun draft experience!

>>49439718
I'd get the khan fetches right now. The prices of shocks are super stagnant so you got a lot of time to pick them up.

>>49438917
I'm pretty sure they are only a thing for standard sets.

>>49439674
AHHHHHHHHHHHHHH WAT THE FUG

>>49439793

cross your fucking fingers senpai, or we're gonna get chase playables at super mythic

>>49435969
>that one retard using "kys" every thread

How does it feel to be a human waste?

>>49439886
What if it's a new trendy way of saying "kiss" :3c

>>49439895
kys

>>49439708
MM15 was alright actually

>>49440008
lel

>worthless commons and uncommons
>fuckload of jank rares
>shit value overall
>daybreak coronet with only 1 beneficial aura in "muh precious draft experience

>>49440069
Don't forget the rareshifts and increase to 10 dollars per pack. With said packs bundled in shitty cardboard that damages it's contents, warps foils, and super easy to dissect for maximum scam potential online!

>>49440069
>Blinkmoth Nexus
>Dark Confidant
>Cryptic Command
>Dismember
>Emrakul
>Eldrazi lands
>Fulminator Mage
>Karn
>Kiki
>Bolt
>Noble Hierarch
>Spellskike
>Splinter Twin
>Surgical Extraction
>Tarmogoyf
>Vendilion Clique

>>49440145

>there are a handful of playable reprints so the entire set is okay.

Doesn't change the fact that packs the packs arnt worth 10 dollars and are barely over a dollar 6 out of 8 times.

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Where you were when memegic took over the world?

How viable is budget sultai in modern?

>>49440931
it isn't

>>49440145
Doesn't justify 10 dollars a pack + short print run

If you are making Modern Masters you should have one of 2 specific goals

>1. Lots of reprints and a good way to expand your modern collection or crack packs for fun
>2. Good draft experience with sprinklings of needed reprints. If you do this then the msrp SHOULDN'T be 10 dollars and there SHOULDN'T be a fucking retarded short print run. Think Conspiracy 2.

Right now Modern Masters serves neither and just makes Wizards earn a lot of cuck dollars instead of helping the format in any way.

>>49440905
That guy is such a goober

>>49440931
I mean, nobody plays it, not even the not budget version. I don't even mean nobody wins with it, I mean nobody plays it.

>>49441283
why would they? Only viable route you could go would be delver. And why would you play BUG delver when BUR delver exists?

>>49441342
Decay is all I can think of

>>49440931
There was that BUG deck that won the first modern open last year. It was real jank.

>>49441362
but you're giving up bolt, terminate and pyromancer for it. it's really not worth it

>>49441059
Maybe conspiracy 2 was an experiment and next modern masters is unlimited (but with the same 10$ msrp)

>>49441425
yeah it sucks, im not really trying to debate

>>49440983
>>49441283

That's actually good, wanted to make a fun casual deck to play with friends.

I'm not gonna play vs them using tron or aristocrats.

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>>49442087
>aristocrats

>>49442129
What's so funny about that?

Turn 3 kill most of the time is bad?

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>>49442147

What are the best sideboard options for Merfolk? I put Hibernation in mine because many of the people at my FLGS run bogles or elves

>>49440905
>nazi frog meme
where were you when this guy got a permanent dci ban and the vendor he worked for lost their official vendor status because people will believe anything these days?

>>49442284
void snare is the only card i worry about post-board

>>49440145

The first Modern Masters had way more value at the uncommon and common level than MM15 did.

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>completely unplayable in any modern deck worth a damn
>still holding onto a price of $4

How?

>>49442600

Sees play in Mono G devotion type decks and some Elves lists. Also it's a staple land in literally any mono coloured EDH deck.

>>49442600
It's EDH gold.

>>49442600
EDH/Commander. Goes in pretty much any mono color deck with even a smattering of permanents.

Also, it's playable in modern. Just, only in elves (sometimes) and mono B devotion (which is terrible).

>>49442600
Modern isn't the only format

>>49442674
how i wish B devotion would be viable

>>49442699
You and me both. If modern were a slower format, it'd have a chance. I do miss those standard days, though. Very fun.

Hell, I wish Rabble Red could be viable, too.

>>49442621
>>49442629
>>49442674
I guess I just don't see the sort of commander games where anyone has any appreciable number of devotion on field at any time. I never put that card in any of my decks.

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>tfw you have so much money you can afford to do this

>>49437452
People just hate losing to it. I think it should be slowed down but that goes for the whole format.

>>49442836
You can afford to order Chinese proxies?

>>49442859
If it slows down it stops working. Just like Affinity.

>>49442824

The decks it usually goes into all the time are the 1v1 mono coloured commander decks. Card can be pretty busted once you have at least 4+ devotion going since it's always extra mana to give you that extra edge.

>>49442836
Goyf decks are bad in modern anyway. Midrange is dead

>>49442918
>jund
>ever dead
lol

>>49442930
I play Jund and the deck is just bad in a field full of Bant Eldrazi, Burn and noninteractive combo decks like ad nauseam and Valakut Titan.

>>49442776

>Wanting Theros standard back

Fuck no.

Although Heroic was pretty cool. Too bad Deaths Shadow Zoo, Infect and Bogles does what it does 10x better. I love Heroic because I like the flavor and art of cards like Hero of Iroas, Favored and Battlewise Hoplite.

>>49442952
How on earth is Jund bad against Burn? Drop 1 or two hand disruptions, play a finks or any sideboard material that gains life and they basically lose, especially when you have a goyf or lili on the field.

>>49442699
>>49442776

Mono B devotion actually can do ok against a meta that's playing mostly creatures or "fair" magic.

>>49442986
Have to open with and or draw said Lifegain cards and sometimes they just have the Skullcrack. Not a bad match up but I'd say a 50/50 G1, and a 60/40 G2

>>49443177
Also true. But with hand disruption, you are effectively reducing them to top decking after a while and even if they have to skullcrack you, you've made them spend 2 mana to bolt you instead of rifting and bolting you for 6

>>49443012
yeah but why would you play mono B when you can play jund or junk

>>49443275

Because the person wants to win with Gary.

>>49442836
the blue core fakes are trash quality anyways, you did the right thing anon

>>49442302
honestly i want it to happen, so i can just leave this game with a feeling or moral superiority over those in charge of it

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>>49442836
>tfw these are my beater kicks
Get on my level of money mismanagement anon

How good is Fish in modern right now?

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Post actually fun Modern decks

>>49444361

Fuck off SaffronOlive

>>49444361
Which card would I post for RUG Eternal command?

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>>49444361

Enchantress/Starfield

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>>49442302
ahaha, who is this cpata42 guy?

>>49444250
not geos 1/10 made me reply

>>49444396

I really want BW Devotion to work, but GW is simply the better enchantment deck, and its not even a "thing" in Modern

>>49444382
Hey, SaffronOlive is actually pretty good.

>>49444451

I figure it's got as good of a shot as Emeria Control, which wasn't a "thing" in Modern until this year. Nyx is just an Emeria without the land requirement, and it only takes one white so it's pretty damn splashable. Just gotta keep grinding away until you find the right mix of enchantments you can recur every turn for maximum effectiveness.

>>49444361

Ive been a Soul Sisters fag since Modern started and this is the only variant I havent tried. BW is my configuration because of the discard. Ill try this one one of these days since everyone is hyping up how fun it is

Want to get a budget deck and I've realized I already own a decent chunk of Soul Sisters and Elf cards. Which one do you guys think I should go with. Since I would try to budget them I wouldn't run Cavern of Souls in elves or that angel in Sisters.

I only got to test them vs jank decks today but I enjoyed the play styles of both alot

Ad Nauseam should run a copy of street wraith

>>49444664
You can't pay the cycling at negative whatever life.

>>49438090
No way Jund gets away with jamming more than 1 or 2 4 drops maindeck.

I mostly play Naya Zoo and I enjoy the hell out of it. Do well too. But I'm looking for something different. Are there any budget versions of the other deck types that aren't just awful?

>>49444932
I realized that a minute after I posted
Which sucks because there's no good, cheap, instant speed draw spell I can think of

>>49445007
I like to run a 1-of Conjurer's Bauble as insurance against discard and pseudo instant draw.

>>49444992
How different are we talking? Still aggro or branching off to other archetypes?

>>49444992
>Budget
>Modern
>Not awful

C'mon man, you know that answer to that.

>>49445027

Eh, I guess Aggro if it's different enough then playing a bunch of effcient creatures and a bit of burn/removal when I need it.

>>49445033

Okay, how about budget and playable without spending hundreds of dollars on lands?

>>49445109
Your best option for a cheaper deck would be Dredge. It's playstyle is hugely different from anything else and you probably have a lot of the pieces of it laying around if you were grinding out the recent sets.

>>49435353
you fags are worse than the people who roll around in fake designer clothes and shit

if you think the game is too expensive no one is forcing you to play

>>49444642

Elves I would say is tier 1.5. The deck can win if your opponent doesnt kill Ezuri or Archdruid asap. It has a degenerate mana engine that cheats out creatures, has a way to instantly close out the game with Shaman of the Pack, and do it any time with Collected Company. The archtype has amazing flexibility that you can choose any of its variants, from Abzan, BG, GW or even the weird Beck/Call variants and you still have a very good chance of winning.

Black offers you thoughtseize, Shaman of the Pack and Stain the Mind, while White offers you Stony Silence, Rest in Peace, Mark of Asylum among other things. Abzan offers you the best of both worlds in exchange of a painful fetch-shock manabase. Lead the Stampede builds offer resilience to fair decks like Jund due to raw card advantage and recovery, while Chord builds offer good silver bullet strategy vs linear combo or aggro decks.

Its only glaring weakness is its frail matchup vs RG Tron, because Ugin just fucks you up, and Pyroclasm heavy builds are automatically a 60/40 matchup in their favor.

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>>49435543
i will be pleased if 10% of pic related appear in MM

>>49444642
i would go with elves because it can be more versatile.

on the topic of Ad Nauseam, I'm witnessing the weirdest weather event I've ever seen: A pure lightning storm
The sky is lighting up every few seconds and it covers the whole sky, but there's no fucking noise or wind or rain im so fiucking scared wat is this shit its been like 20 minutes

>>49445265
Just pitch a land to redirect.

When did Might of Old Krosa hit 10$ I remember getting them for 3 not too long ago

Anyone have a list of the Saheeli combo pieces?

>>49444396
I've been playing starfield with the counterspell enchantment.

Its fantastic.

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>>49445241
>murderous cut

>>49445241
What I believe desperately needs reprints

mythic

>Liliana
>Tarmogoyf
>Vendilion

rare

>Aether Vial
>Ensnaring Bridge
>Glimmervoid
>Noble Hierarch
>Goblin Guide
>Spellskite
>Snapcaster
>abrupt decay

Psst....

Don't tell anyone but fetch and filter reprints in Commander 2016.

>>49445825
a reprint with good art would be pretty cool. It's fringe playable, the bad picture just pushes it out of range for me. There are other cards that i'd like with different art, but having the 2015 border would spoil it. Cut doesn't have that issue

>>49446004
why should clique be mythic?

>>49439098
Played a jund deck today Saw 4 foil goyfs almost jizzed my pants

>>49444544
Not as a player.

>>49446203
>why should clique be mythic?
to keep all the proxy poor fags out of my format

>>49441342

Don't really see why you couldn't make a viable midrange sultai deck

>>49447062
1. No Bolt
2. No Lightning Bolt
3. You can't run lightning bolt
4. There is no bolts in your deck
5. If you wanna be mindrange play fair modern magic you need fucking BOLTS

>>49447098
Bolt is bad in modern at the moment

>>49435334
> "fair decks"

>>49438730
they weren't, exact same number of rares per sheet was printed printed.

>>49442129
underrated reaction

Trying to get into the game. Not sure what deck to go for. I have no idea what the current metagame is like. What's competitive? What isn't?

I was thinking Zombies first cause I saw some cards that keep generating 2/2 Zombie tokens. Thought it'd be funny to play using pennies and beat my opponent with an army of Zombie Abraham Lincolns.

Then I saw Fumigate coming in the next set and they'd just nuke my field and gain 20 Life.

What products should I focus on? I hate buying boosters. I used to play Yugioh and would focus on preconstructed decks and tins because their contents were guaranteed.

Are there any preconstructed Magic decks I should snatch up quickly for staples? If so, which ones should I be looking for?

>>49447062

The real reason you can't build sultai midrange in modern is that it's a suicide risk when you realize that wizards is too faggy to print baleful Strix and shard less agent in a modern legal set

>>49447376
You don't need Baleful Strix, Anon. You have Elvish Visionary!

>>49447253
>
48% of the meta disagrees you fucking troll

>>49447376
lol true

>>49447406
>The data isn't skewed at all by the popularity of Burn on MTGO!

>>49447374 mono blue tron is the best and cheapest competitive deck its also the hardest in the format to play other than that try burn or dredge burn if you want to make a small investment and be competitive long long term dredge if you want to have something cheap that can take a tourny by surprise and win. overall though, mono blue tron aka Utron is your best bet to be extremely competitive and learn the fromat inside and out for a reasonable investment.

>>4944742 Bolt is by far the most played card in modern.

>>49447429
Bolt is by far the most played card in modern.

>>49447430

I would say Mono Green Stompy is the most potent. Its cheap as fuck, resilient to removal and has the potential to kill out of nowhere due to Aspect of Hydra. Its also easy to play.

I play U Tron and while I would agree its fun as fuck, if you want to atleast survive vs aggro, you have to get 3x Chalice, 1x Oblivion Stone and 1x Batterskull, and those dont come cheap

>>49447374

8-whack
Stompy
Emeria Control
Soul Sisters (and its variants)

>>49447098
>what is junk

>>49447376
no we can't have good simic and dimir cards in modern, that would be an outrage

>>49447446
PtE actually has a slight lead in terms of copies played and number of decks that play it.

>>49444383
Ewit

>>49447553
>Sultai
>Path to Exile

Uhhh fampai

>>49447553
>what is objectively worse Jund

>>49448280
it was more a counterargument to the whole "you can't play midrange without bolt" thing

>>49448286
>junk is a objectively worse jund
lol?

>>49447553
>a deck with rhinos
>commenting on the ability for a midrange deck to exist without the use of a card like bolt that deals direct to the face damage, giving reach and closing out a game in a board stall

>>49444361
Gonna be putting together a Mardu build of Norin in paper to bring to my LGS, deck is fun as fuck. Beating people to death with 10 power flying champions or drawing a soul sister at 3 and ending your next turn above 20 feels amazing.

>>49448319
Cool. How does your deck preform against tron, scapeshift and AN?

>>49448340
Scapeshift is slightly positive due to main deck blood moon. Ad naus is probably slightly negative, their clock is slightly faster and 4 thoughtseize probably isn't enough to stall them. Tron is negative due to heavy pyroclasm effects and a faster effective clock.

>>49435790
Fuck off draft cuck, you and your draft chaffe is bringing the game down for everyone else

>>49435992
The only mistake on misstep is the phyrexian mana cost. If it required you to control or reveal an island it would be balanced. Also before you contrarians go off on dual lands that nust leaves you open to bloodmoon.

>>49439674
Dont worry anon, hell kill himself after realizing the mistake hes made

>>49448639
Thoughtseize is good against them. Don't bother going for the combo though. Go for their mana

>>49448763
Either make it cost 2 Phyrexian Mana (still playable) or reveal an island

>>49448319
post list

>>49448868
I say no phyrexian mana cost, U cost and you can pay 1 life if you control or reveal and island as an alt casting cost similar to fow

>>49435446
Pls dont punish tron josh what did it do to you ;_;

>>49448880
4 Norin the Wary
4 Champion of the Parish
4 Thalia's Lieutenant
2 Soul Warden
2 Soul's Attendant
4 Dark Confidant
2 Abzan Falconer

3 Genesis Chamber
3 Blood Moon

4 Lightning Bolt
4 Path to Exile
4 Thoughtseize

2 Plains
2 Swamp
4 BW Fetch
3 Arid Mesa
2 Bloodstained Mire
2 Sacred Foundry
1 Godless Shrine
1 Blood Crypt

Sideboard:
2 Auriok Champion
2 Pithing Needle
1 Spellskite
2 Wear // Tear
2 Grafdigger's Cage
2 Rest in Peace
2 Mark of Asylum
2 Electrickery

>>49449049
Forgot 3x Cavern of Souls

>>49449049
>4 TS
>not 4 TS 2 INQ

Other than that it's a cool deck. Would win FNM, but do horrible at a major/10.

>>49449114
The deck has a pretty solid amount of lifegain so the two life downside isn't that big of a deal against most decks and there are a lot of relevant 4 cmc spells out there. If this were for a meta with a lot of very fast aggro they would be split but my local environment has a ton of Nahiri and not a lot of fast aggro.

>>49449217
it's not a split as you still run 4 TS. it's just statically better to run 6 discard spells instead of 4 if you want them in your opening hand, which you do.

>>49449361
Ah, I will try that then. Space is pretty tight so I might cut some of the removal, but I'll have to see.

>>49435446
4 ghost quarter main and crucible in the sb is usually enough

>>49449049
>>49449536
List looks pretty good. And fun, which is rare. I'd probably cut a pte and something else for 2 inquisition. Although, I have no idea what,else to cut. Maybe a dark confidant?

>>49449049

loses to your own blood moon/10

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>>49447253

>>49447253

I would say against Infect I'd rather have a sudden shock in my hands rather than a bolt.

But outside of that narrow instance you're wrong.

>>49447263

actually i did mean unfair, thank you for correcting me. fair decks don't mind having a couple dudes on the board and interacting with jtms, in fact he's even stronger vs fair decks.

decks like dredge, ad naus, affinity, burn, living end, none of those care one lick about big jace. he might be decent against jund if he doesnt get thoughtseized or maelstrom pulsed or bolted (if they use anything but +2)

>>49450880

Affinity and Burn are technically fair, although Burn (and along that vein, Infect) is as close to combo as fair decks can get. Point taken, though.

looking to buy into a paper deck after a couple years of playing cockatrice, would a budget Kiki chord even be worth assembling to play at FNM while I slowly build up my mana base and all that?

>>49450992
It could probably do well at FNM, don't expect to be getting the top places though.

>>49450992
You'd be better off with budget burn, infect, or 8whack.

Kiki Chord is one of those decks you kind of need all the pieces.

anyone else having problems with xmage? I went to update and after the update it kept saying a new version was available, but it was the same version I downloaded, problem occurred even after reinstalling

>>49447253
Never go full retard anon.

>>49448300
Jund is currently the better deck in the meta game compared to Abzan, by a large margin too. But Abzan has been performing better and them getting fast lands in Kaladesh can help them push back into tier 1.

Their Eldrazi match up is currently better than Jund.

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I haven't played since Gatecrash, should I go to pre-release boyz?

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how can I make this deck better against combo TG? ad naus and goro/breach are by far the worst matchups.

>>49451605
Put cards in your sideboard that aren't big fatties. Those cards seem to come in against matchups you don't struggle with.
Grave hate
Dispels, negates
Pithing needle

>>49444973
It's also important to consider that the 4 drop slot is a very crucial spot as it's usually card that stabilizes a board for you and starts to gain you some life. Both Kalitas and Huntmaster are powerful threats that generate prolonged value and gain you life. BBE just applies some pressure and generates immediate card advantage, which is really good, but not if you die 1 or 2 turns later.

Pulled the trigger on SFM and bought a playset.

Did I fucking goof?

>>49451766
Yes. It will never be unbanned

>>49451766

You were better off buying a playset of Dark Depths

>>49451766
Of course not, join us fellow SFM enthousiasts
>>>>49420507

>>49449049
Lingering souls

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>post yfw you fell for the tarmogoyf meme

>>49454157
what's the meme?
it's the best beater ever printed

>>49454281
It's not a $100+ card
Hootie and gangler are equal

>>49454403

>hooting mandrills and gurmag angler are equal to tarmogoyf

the only meme i see here is you.

>>49454403

price says otherwise, chum

I don't see any top 8 decks running Hootie or Gangler over Goyf.

>>49454490
>top 8 fallacy
Well meme'd broseph

>>49454157
Gofy is strong as fuck, git gud

>>49454403
Hootie and the black fish are dank... But cmon son, goyf is much better. Monkeys have trample but that alone doesn't make them greater than a giant tarmogoyf

>>49454570

Please tell me how you plan on playing hootie and the blowfish on turn 2 without a billion and one cantrips in your deck. i'll wait.

>>49454628
>turn 2 fallacy
You're not even trying at this point.

>>49454628
Fetch, serum visions
Fetch, thought scour

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>tfw fell for the Norin the Wary meme

I regret not falling for this sooner, it is fun.

>>49453089
Tried them at one point, they were pretty meh. Falconer just does the job of evasive threat better by not being grave dependent and giving your champions and lieutenants flying which immediately threatens to end through a clogged board.

>>49454653

Hilarious.

>>49454157
I sold my jund deck some weeks ago including my tarmos.

Got 110$ per each tarmo

Did I fuck up or it was the best thing to do.

>>49454663

Welcome to trigger hell anon. Enjoy your stay.

Reminder that Jund is not a fair deck. There's nothing fair about a deck full of 2 for 1s and creatures WAY above the curve.

>>49454663
Until you realize you have too many moving parts and no deck manipulation.
More often than not you'll have the wrong pieces of something lame happens like your opponent getting more use out of your chamber

>>49454873
Thats why its the best deck you mongoloid.

>>49454822
>selling best deck in format

Unless you lost your house in a fire, yes you fucked up pretty bad desu

>>49454822

That depends, do you think Tarmos will appear in Modern Masters 2017? If they do, we might see Tarmos spike in price again.

>>49454894

Im planning on cutting down on Chambers. It makes the deck over the top with triggers, yes, but just it and not enough creatures to trigger Norin and its just clunky. Having Bygone Bishop gives the deck a failsafe though.

Still, Tron is a shitty game without Blood Moon

>>49454873
Jund is literally the metric for fair decks.
>trade 1 for 1 with bolt/terminate/discard
>throw out a couple threats with goyf/scooze/raging ravine/any number of 4 drops
>literally value.deck.

What's more fair than playing Magic by the rules?

>>49454930
So why is Deathrite Shaman banned?

>>49454897
>desu

Not using 2bh to bypass that weeb word.

Why arent you playing one of the best tier 1 deck like infect?

>>49454943
Because drs is fucking busted in this format? Its ramp + clock+ lifegain all on one card. Theres a reason its called a onr mana Planeswalker.

>>49454899
Mm17 will have tarmos, clique and bobs.
The real question is if it will have lilis in it.

>>49454994
So you're telling me there's a point at which cards can have TOO much value? Judge I rest my fucking case.

>>49455024
Uh, yeah. What's your point?

>>49455024

deathrite shaman is a banned fair card. I think your definitions of fair and unfair are skewed. read into them before you post next time.

decks are not unfair based on card value, they're "unfair" based on the way they play.

Will wotc print some usable card in standard for other formats or we are pretty screwed?

Ofc not considering any combination of color lands

>>49455076
>Deathrite is a banned fair card
>a one drop mana dork that can be played on one green OR BLACK mana that can just act as a Birds of Paradise, get rid of Snapcaster targets for the entire game while draining 2 life, or get rid of dredge/reanimation targets for the entire game while also gaining 2 life

the card is fucking broken and oppressive on so many levels it's ridiculous, and you're a full on retard for thinking otherwise.

We don't need a fucking one drop mana dork in two colors that also acts as immediate mainboard sideboard tech against a metric fuckton of decks in the format. The card was a mistake. Get over it

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how come when i play mindcrank online everyone gets mad?

>>49455199
Because it's not worth the time to play against. I want to play competitive magic, not your trash brew that just dies without a fight

>>49455199

Because its a literally who deck, on the same level as Helixfire

>>49455076
>>49455173
See how easily you faggots argue with each other? I'm arguing that just because a card is "fair", doesn't mean it should automatically be legal, citing Deathrite Shaman. The question is, are there other cards in Jund that are too much value? The obvious biggie here is Liliana of the Veil. Though honestly I think Tarmogoyf deserves to be banned. Wizards have claimed they won't unban Jace because he'd become too expensive. Is Tarmogoyf not considered too expensive or something?

>>49455225
>Though honestly I think Tarmogoyf deserves to be banned.
Just fuck off already. We have enough retards shitting up the thread

>Cathartic Reunion
>Refurbish
>Madcap Experiment
>Ceremonious motherfucking Rejection
>Blossoming Defense

there are plenty of playable cards in this set you overdramatic oblivious retard. Not every set can have like modern playable 10 mythics and rares. I'd love to see some retard like you get in charge of making cards just to see how quickly modern is ruined

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>>49455218

i also get people that instant leave if i thoughtseize them

people online cant just play the game

>>49455264
meant for
>>49455105

>>49455264

>madcap experiment
>playable

oh wow

>>49455277
>half of the people who play modern are conditioned to play completely uninteractive games of magic and only want to kill you immediately with bullshit
>the amount of people that rage when you interact with them in any way
>you fucked up my turn 3 infect kill fuck this trash play a real deck

>>49455277
>i also get people that instant leave if i thoughtseize them
Yea, fair enough. I get this too lol

>>49455295
It's at the very least easily experimented with in Modern, even if it doesn't result in anything meta breaking. I don't see you greentexting my mention of Refurbish either

>>49455295
4x Madcap Experiment
2x Platinum Emperion

>>49455335

That's because I don't even know what refurbished is, I wasn't even the guy you were responding to, I'm just surprised there are people who think Madcap Experiment is playable in modern. It might be playable in Legacy, maybe, but they've got the tools, cantrips and protection, to make those wonky combo decks work. For modern, if it isn't a creature spell that's 3 cmc or less, it might as well not exist.

>>49455295

>OGW spoilers
>TKS
>Playable

>SoI spoilers
>Prized Amalgam and Nahiri
>Playable

I hope this general doesnt make the same mistake

>>49455394

I also remember people saying Mirrorpool was playable.

I hope the general doesn't make the same mistake again...

>>49455335
>>49455355
It's a polymorph. That's literally it.

>>49455424

A Polymorph that doesnt require wonky token producers

>>49454897
>Jund
>best deck
Jund is rarely the the best deck in the format, it just has game against everything that's not tron. That's it. It's the safe choice, never the best choice.

>>49455449

can U-tron beat it, or is it only R/G Tron?

>>49455492

U Tron shits on Jund as well due to raw card advantage, counterspells and Spreading Seas/Squelch off the board.

>>49455492
U-tron can beat jund, but Idk who is favored in that matchup. I imagine it's U-tron.

>>49455424
>>49455375
>turn 4 a Platinum Emperion, maybe even fucking turn 3 with Spirit Guide
>you immediately win against Dredge, Burn, Affinity (as long as you can remove any Inkmoths), Zoo, Bogles, Valakut, and various other strategies
>play Bloodmoon and Chalice to give protection from various other decks
Emperion Prison is pretty much immediately doable
>faggots like you who never actually know what they're talking about immediately mark off the card as shit
>lmao Elspeth costs too much for standard and Polukranos is better than Seige Rhino

this is why everyone says /tg/ is bad at magic

>>49455446
and also allows for creature acceleration like ssg or mana dorks
far as i know it's really hard to cast polymorph before turn 3, but madcap experiment can be played as soon as turn 1. Being able to maindeck creatures that aren't its target is a huge advantage over polymorph

>>49455567
>you immediately win against Dredge, Burn, Affinity (as long as you can remove any Inkmoths), Zoo, Bogles, Valakut, and various other strategies
It's an artifact without evasion or indestructible. You do not win against these decks

>>49455567

You don't "immediately win" with Platinum Emperion against any deck except maybe Burn first game. Everyone and their dog has access to creature removal and artifact removal, particularly the latter in their sideboard to combat affinity.

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>>49455634
How do those decks kill Platinum Emperion anon

please enlighten me

>>49455646
Nobody is saying that Platinum Emperion wins you the game. The point is that Platinum Emperion now costs 4 mana.

>>49455679
no I did say that anon

Maybe not as immediately as against Burn, Dredge, or Zoo, but you definitely have a huge fucking hurdle to jump

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>>49455679
>Nobody is saying that Platinum Emperion wins you the game.

>>49455567
>you immediately win against Dredge, Burn, Affinity (as long as you can remove any Inkmoths), Zoo, Bogles, Valakut, and various other strategies

>>49455567
>entire deck built around cheating a card into play that doesn't win you the game or make you win the game any time soon
>not shit
LOL no anon, casualbabbies like you are why people say tg is shit. Your stupid combo will do literally nothing vs Jund, Abzan, infect, control, tron, etc etc. kitchen table magic general is THAT way >>>>>>>

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Should I wait till bans to choose a Tier2/Developing combo deck?

Already got myself a semi-functioning UB Mill deck, UB Faeries (comp control) and Bant Eldrazi (comp aggro)...

Now I'm looking to slowly build a budget combo deck then morph it into somewhat competitive, like I did with my Faeres.

>>49457577
Bans/Unbans are literally next Monday. It can wait.