Warhammer Fantasy Battle General Thread

>>49398523
>I told him not to buy that creepy daemon mask from that obviously shifty salesman that disappeared immediately after, but he wouldn't listen.

Of course he wouldn't listen, he's an Elf.

Also, reposting this because it looked good and deserves some love or discussion

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Alright, so WFRP is percentile system. Roll a number of times equal to your attack score, every roll under your Ws is a hit. Roll for damage. Enemy can roll to dodge/parry. It just feels like a lot of unnecessary back and forth.

So the idea I'm tossing up with is both combatants roll Ws. Whoever rolls the highest while staying under their score wins. The tens digit is your margins of success, the ones digit is your damage.

That's the base of the idea so far. Shit I've been tossing around is;
1. Spending margins of success to change the hit location, going up and down 10 per margin.
2. Using the Attack stat to either make multiple attacks against different targets, or re-rolling your attack roll (either the tens or the ones dice or both)
3. You can still dodge, but you give up your opportunity to attack on your turn.

Still a work in progress, ideas and shit.

>>49398533
He's also an edgelord and his player uses the same character in every game. Whether he's human, elf or even skaven it's the same guy but in a different body.

Guys, any youtube videos of whrp in action?

>>49398598
A few. If you google it you'll get a couple of hits. Nothing noteworthy from my understanding, but it could give you some ideas on how it goes.

>>49398598
Not a video but a recording of their entire campaign, the Enemy Within for 2nd edition.

http://warhammer-enemy-within.blogspot.ca/2009/09/introduction.html

>>49398588
He plays Drachenfels?

>>49398637
No, just a self absorbed idiot who tries to be badass but fails miserably all the time. They're different characters but he roleplays them all the same, often with the same goals. 'Ultimate power', whatever that's supposed to mean. Political? Magical?

Once I allowed him the opportunity to gain such power as he had found a wish granting djinn. Asked for ultimate power so it sent him to a planet sized, and unorganized, library where he could study for eternity. He was by himself and kept finding books such as the Altdorf Teacup Poodle's Fancier Guide to Better Breeding, or Tilean Cooking for the Unremarkable. He spent all that time alone and went slowly insane until he decided to wish himself back home. Too bad he didn't say WHEN, so he was dropped thirty years in the past. Got to see himself when he was a spoiled child in Estalia who pinched other kids for fun. Eventually he found himself picking up the djinn's lamp and crossed his own timeline, destroying his older self and stopping the wishes from happening.

We've bumped into the same djinn a couple times in different campaigns, we call him Omar Cheatyface.

>>49398686
>Altdorf Teacup Poodle's Fancier Guide to Better Breeding

My favourite recurring gag book as been 'Professor Reithardt's Treatise on Assorted Heavenly Bodies'.

It's just a porno mag disguised as an study of the stars.

Bretonnia was a mistake

>>49398881
ANNUL THIS

>>49398881
>Alarielles Last Words.

>>49398580

How would you figure out Ulrics Fury? If you rolled a double for your attack?

I like it so far, but what happens if both players fail their roll? Is it just a wash or what?

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>>49398881
this.
Damsels are the best though
>elf like faces
>THICC human bodies.

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>>49399069
>THICC human bodies.

Countess Emmanuelle is best waifu.

>>49399179
>>Wissenland? What's that?

>>49399069
Isn't it canon that damsels are huge sluts? And they can't get pregnant or get STDs so they can fuck as many Knights as they want. Pretty sure theres a magic item for the brets that basically confirms their promiscuous behavior

>>49399284
Not necessarily, there is just nothing stopping them from being huge sluts if they want to. They flaunt their wild hair, save horses by riding a Grail Knight, and nobody save the Fey Enchantress and the Lady herself can tell them otherwise.

There was even a part in Knight of the Realm where the Enchantress magically spied on a damsel and a Grail Knight going at it before gently reminding her that she had a job to do.

>>49399195
>Not wanting to hook up with the thickest spinster in the Empire and get it on while her cock-hungry trap of a sister watches from the shadows.


Also, furthest away from invading Chaos Armies, great fertile land and one of the last stops for people visitng Bretonnia, Estalia or Tilea.

>>49399323
>>49399179

What ends up happening to her?

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>>49398881
a warhammer world without several distinct human nations is not a warhammer world worth living in

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>>49399437
I assume she blew up with the rest of the planet

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>>49399308
wasn't she the brother of the protagonist?
god, grail knights are such dogshit.
>muh spess mahreens blessed by le elf goddess.
Pic related >>>>> bretonnian grailmorons.

>>49399437
I think she survives the End Times/Storm of Chaos events, yeah? I mean, it's not like she ever gets into the thick of it and Wissenland is kind of secluded as far as the Empire goes.

>>49399544

Is that Luthor Huss? Because comparing Luthor Huss to a generic Grail Knight isn't a fair comparison. Huss is a fucking boss.

>>49399544
Yeah, but she was taken at such a young age that their family bond was basically nonexistent. Sir Reolus was awesome and so are Grail Knights. They earned their badassness. Warrior Priests are like a unit champion with one more wound and costs four times as much.

Now if anyone was dogshit it was the protagonist. I haven't hated a character so much that it made me stop reading a series until I read Knight Errant/of the Realm.

>>49399561
He's just some guy who was alive after the Great War, about two hundred years before Huss was born.

>>49399574
>He's just some guy who was alive after the Great War, about two hundred years before Huss was born.

Shit, really? The resemblance is pretty striking. Or it could be that all bald guys look the same, I dunno.

>Warrior Priests are like a unit champion with one more wound and costs four times as much.

Warrior Priests are pretty cool. They're essentially just Empire Paladins.

>>49399621
>>all bald guys look the same, I dunno.

Das racist.

There's a guy in the campaign who is based on the Warrior Priest from the trailer, but I doubt it's the same person as he went up against a Bloodthirster and was undoubtedly turned into a priestkabob.

>>49399654

The novelization of Marks of Chaos was arguably the worst Warhammer stuff I've ever read.

I'm going to choose believe that's just Huss going about business as usual.

>>49399666
Now you're just creating time paradoxes, Satan.

Also he dies.

>>49399674

I mean separate of Marks of Chaos. I choose to believe they through in a pimping short of Luthor Huss throwing down against a Bloodthirster into the game and hoped nobody would notice the mistake.

Well I'm not drinking the kool-aid, busters!

>>49399666
Total warhammer novelization by Andy Hall when?

>>49399699
The answer is always 'Not soon enough'.

>>49399544
warrior priests are awesome
grail knights are also awesome

They're fairly similar, too. Just representative of different warrior cultures.

>>49390213
>Do the spirits/dead consent to being summoned?

Actually, yes. The spell in question specifies that they are not compelled to answer.

Additionally, the Lore of Death material also states that Undead and Demonic creatures do not have souls.

Food for thought.

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>>49398881
Leaving Bretonnia to languish was a mistake. They should have been paid more attention to, or squatted. No sense in leaving their surprisingly numerous fans crying when they're left behind. But they're not a mistake, just as much as the Sisters of 40k aren't a mistake. They're great ideas, but both are badly handled by corporations who don't give two shits about them.

>>49399323
Out of the frying pan, into the fire. Chaos won't invade anytime soon, but Orcs and Undead will. At least if I stay in Averland, I know I'll be with people who know how to deal with this shit. I'll find some cute waifu that has ties to old Sollenland, and I'll marry her and take back what is rightfully ours.

>>49399818
>I'll marry her and take back what is rightfully ours.

Stay salty.

>>49399818
The problem that Bretonnia had was that it wasn't Empire, Chaos (mostly Warriors), High Elves or Dwarfs. Everyone else got a bone thrown at them every once in a while while these four factions got all the attention. You can't make another faction popular if you don't give them any time in the spotlight.

Ogres was a mistake. They should have had a list like Kislev. A sorta army list but mostly used as mercenaries for other armies.

Where might one find a voicefag? I'm writing a WFRP campaign and I've been toying with the idea of my opener being narrated by someone with some experience in voice acting, even if it's just a hobby for them. Save it as an audio file and play it before the campaign begins.

>>49399905
You could put an add up on StarNow. Or over on /soc/ when they do their voice threads. Or just post it here and see if someone does audio work.

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I feel like the Tomb Kings going on their world conquest crusade would have been amazing. Just imagine Tilea and Estalia getting reinforced by the Empire and Bretonnia, and the whole weight of these nations getting forced into just slowing the march of the dead. Settra's advance is further slowed when the Lizardmen suddenly slam in from the west, the Skaven war among themselves and quietly support both sides as they try to figure out which side winning is best to their benefit, and Chaos streams from the north to try and ransack the Empire now that for once its gaze is turned southward.

>>49399919
Might be worth checking out.

Just for fun, I wrote out a warning in Khazalid, with the imperfect translation in spoilers, the players should find in a dwarf thane's tomb.

Or dre Delvar garaz Delmin.
I am Delvar son of Delmin
Bin uzkul or dre grom.
In death I am defiant.
Azamar an or bezek grung.
Forever will I keep (what is) mine.
Or stok um anad skaz grung.
I (will) strike those who would steal (what is) mine)
Bin uzkul or dre azamar.
In death I am eternal.

>>49399926
I like the mental image that evokes of hordes of undead marching up the beach. No boats, they've walked across the ocean floor, unstoppable and implacable. By the time anyone realises what's happening, it's too late to raise the alarm.

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>>49399069
Seconded.

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>>49399069
It seems like most damsels are blonde, which is kind of sad. According to one short story, a 'real Bretonnian woman' has brown hair and brown eyes.

>>49399957
>No boats
They do use boats, though. Somewhat relevant to the rest of the thread, the Bretonnian navy is responsible for thwarting one of Settra's invasions of the rest of the world.

>>49400045
Probably someone's version of a 'real woman', like if I said a real woman knows how to make poutine properly. Y'know, personal opinion. Though I don't know who'd actually like brown hair and eyes, literally the most boring colours ever.

>>49400045
Is that the one where the Bretonnian knight ends up laughing because he realises he met the Lady of the Lake and his big heroic brother who claims to have met the Lady didn't?

>>49400058
I know they use boats, but you'd think they'd figure out they don't really need to for a surprise attack.

Replying to last thread I don't know how this shit works:
>>49396455
>>49397060
>>49397657
>>49398360
What's bad with original rules for you?
In what direction would you like to make changes?
Maybe you are trying to use them for their not intended purpose?
WFRP 2e is abstract system, that's not that bad.

I saw some rules for making combat deadlier by making nearly every hit count and maybe faster by it, if that's what you want I could try to translate it in spare time.

>>49397657
>I've enjoyed it. It's given a lot of fodder for a plot hook about a Witch Hunter catching a Priest of Morr.
Witch Hunter should not be able to lay a finger on Morr's priest unless he wants Black Guard to rape him dry.
But fanaticism, bloodlust and stupidity seems like witch hunters trademarks.

> In 1ed and 2ed you can make your own spells
1ed RoS had rules for it, 2ed didn't it only had ritual making rules and they were pretty vague

>>49400103
Witch Hunters don't have nearly as much power as their 40k counterparts, and taking a man from another priesthood is probably a very good way to end your career, at the very least, unless that guy turns out to be a daemon for real.

>>49400100
Ocean currents would make it more hassle than its worth, and boats are going to be significantly faster (especially since you can rely on undead rowers).

Also soaking in salt water would ruin all your bling and bandages.I don't think any tomb king would like that.

>>49400103
>What's bad with original rules for you?

Essentially how slow it is. I know it's not a bad thing - it gives players time and opportunity to maneuver, get into place and generally realise that there is more to a fight than whacking at each other with sharp sticks.

My problem is, if you've got two Ws 30 guys whaling at each other, fights tend to be long drawn out affairs until someone fucks up. Fights against dangerous critters are suitably dangerous, but fights against mundanes tends to draw out. I'd just like a system that makes it simpler for the 1 v 1 and could also be used for mass combat.

>Witch Hunter should not be able to lay a finger on Morr's priest unless he wants Black Guard to rape him dry.

A good Witch Hunter, yeah. But if you get a crazy, they don't care why you're trucking with the dead, they just see necromancy.

>>49400142
Hmm...so maybe not for travelling across the ocean, but park nearby, take off the bling and take a walk for a stealth assault?

Do Tomb King tactics take into account their undead nature?

>>49400140
>taking a man from another priesthood is probably a very good way to end your caree

I wonder how many Witch Hunters are professionals and how many are just zealous amateurs?

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>>49400190
>take off the bling

>>49400190
I think that they're all professionals, in varying degrees, otherwise you'd just be making your order look like incompetent jackasses for all the other temples to see and laugh at. It'd be like the CIA hiring hillbillies to infiltrate enemy governments. All the amateurs would come in the form of posses hired by Witch Hunters to be their expendable muscle. Usually known as Player Characters.

>>49400200
Pin the blame on those wacky Carsteins. Fucking Empire plebs can't tell the difference between Sylvanian skeletons or Lahmian skeletons, the racist rednecks.

>>49400190
Quite a lot of them are the zealous amateurs who are also the most infamous.
The witch hunter in the warrior priest book was not even ordained as one, just carried the medal around and burned random people.

>>49400221
>tomb king black ops units running false flag operations to lure the empire into attacking sylvania because FUCK vamps

>>49400201
>>49400190

Witch Hunter is a pretty broad term.

In big strokes it covers:

1. Crazy people just hunting down whoever.
2. People hired by nobles to act as hunters on their behalf.
3. People working on behalf of the church.
4. People working on behalf of the Empire.
5. Members of secret witch hunting orders.

Some of them do it for a living, some of them are just in it for one job.

>>49400266
I never knew this was something I wanted until now.

>>49400322
The only problem is they'd have to be accompanied by a prince or priest in disguise. That'd certainly be a fun little skirmish band, though.

>>49399926
>tomb KANGZ invasion
Fuck yes this is all I ever wanted. This or to have the Lizardmen as the primary enemies of the old world nations. Settra invading the old world with the night of nehekara>>>>>>>>Archaon and his chaos hordes that outnumber the oldworld armies 10:1 being wanked so hard they can't possibly lose. Tomb kings are criminally underused in the setting

>>49400190
I always had this mental image of the tomb kings parking just beyond the horizon and marching their armies along the sea floor. The imperials/tileans/estalians have their artillery ready for the ships, completely unprepared for what's about to happen. Then boom, clouds of arrows of asaph shoot right out of the ocean and into the unsuspecting ranks. Just as this is happening the vanguard of the TOM kings rushes out onto the beach and starts slaughtering the panicked troops. Man i would love a setting like that

>>49399879
everyonenthinks you fix brets by giving them more variety than Knights. This is bullshit, the biggest problem with them is that they didn't have enough Knights
>no artillery that launches Knights over the walls
>no seige Knights who charge straight through the walls
>no infantry Knights
>no knight magic users
>no giant center piece model knight statue that throws Knights filled with Knights
>no ethereal spirit Knights
>damsels arent even a knight, just some sluts with no armor
>no Knights who ride larger Knights into battle
What a shit tier faction

>>49400808
Uh, yeah. Have fun with that, I suppose? Let's add a giant golem made of beards for Dwarfs, or a halberd wielding sausage monster for Empire. Y'know, because we're being stupid.

>>49400835
>golem made of beards
>halberd wielding sausage monster
Go on, please

>>49400835
>golem made of beards

What did you think Dwarf architecture is made of? Dwarf Beard hair provides the strongest lattice support for building materials known to the world.

When under duress, Dwarfs can use their beard as make-shift flails with which to flagellate their enemies.

Dwarf beard scrub brushs are desired the world over, but using or owning one is a dire offense to dwarfen society.

In times of need, Dwarf beard hair treated with XXXXXX ale and will make a suitable replacement for steel wire.

Do wood elves know that the high elves exist?
do high elves know that the wood elves exist?
do they interact?

>>49400959
Yes, yes, rarely. Wood Elves are elves who refused to abandon their colonies when the High Elves had to go back to Ulthuan to defend it from the Dark Elves. They were told they'd be on their own as everything and everyone was being pulled back to defend the homeland.

Finubar sent some diplomats to reopen talks with the Wood Elves, hopefully to heal the rift between the two peoples. The Wood Elves sent them home and said "don't let the forest eat you on the way out".

I think one of them got murdered by angry Bretonnian peasants who thought the Wood Elves were attacking.

>>49401005
>I think one of them got murdered by angry Bretonnian peasants who thought the Wood Elves were attacking.

They were killed by an angry Bret army that came to exact revenge over the Wild Hunt ravaging their lands.

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>>49400173
if you've got two Ws 30 guys whaling at each other, fights tend to be long drawn out affairs until someone fucks up
You may use table similar to pic attached.
On X axis you have character skill.
On Y difficulty of check, going from up from extremely easy, very easy, easy, average, challenging, hard, very hard, nightmare, hellish, impossible.
Values in table shows number you have to roll under to succeed.
Or on Y you can use skill to beat.
So 31 WS guy striking on 31 WS guy have 50% chance to hit. And by general rule to beat someone with the same skill as character you have 50% chance of success.
Or hitting someone could by an average challenge needing roll of 50 or less at start and getting easier the better swordsman
For additional difficulty you can rule that any degree of success ads 1 to damage or for more danger +1 to roll, rolls over 10 are guaranteed Ulric's Fury.
In that variant wizards roll WP for purpose of extra damage or add their CN over required to damage.

>>49399799
I thought that lore of death was a phone call to afterlife where necromancer would just rip souls from afterlife and then ask question.
Unpleasant phone call is quite different from kidnapping.
Also for it to work, wasn't spell had to be cast in some time or soul would depart to Morr and become unavailable for contact

>>49401180
>Also for it to work, wasn't spell had to be cast in some time or soul would depart to Morr and become unavailable for contact

There were two spells specifically that deal with that. One lets you talk and chat with the recently deceased, the other just lets you ask questions and get 'knocks' for answers.

The argument is generally that both Necromancy and Lore of Death are necromantic in nature, but the term Necromancy has different connotations in WFRP because of it's relationship with Dhar, corruption and generally dickery.

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>>49400808

>>49400808
>Ethereal spirit knights
Yes please

>>49400808
>infantry Knights
Good idea.
>ethereal spirit Knights
Not a bad idea.
>giant center piece model knight statue
The Reliquary needed more work, but could have been this. Also a fun idea.

what if Brets, while disdaining gunpowder and steam, jumped all aboard the clockworks train?

>clockwork horses
>giant clockwork statues
>clockwork power armour for foot knights
>clockwork chainswords, chainshield and chainlances
>clockwork trebuchets with shooting speed of an organ cannon

>>49401430
They don't disdain gunpowder completely, they use it aboard their ships and they do have the most powerful human navy around.

Clockwork servants would be neato, like those robots from Doctor Who in Pre-Revolutionary France.

>>49401430

Eh. Not really buying it. Go back to Knight Knights and their Knight Swords Knighting Knights by Night.

>>49401401

I always though a cross between a Trojan Horse and Roman siege tower would have been cool.
A giant armored wooden horse full of men at arms and ballistas, commanded by a knight, and towed into battle by crazed peasants and pilgrims.

>>49401461

I couldn't see that being used in WFB, but that would have made a bitch of a centerpiece for Warmaster.

Centerpieces were a mistake.

>>49400808
>>no seige Knights who charge straight through the walls
Yes it is silly
It makes 0 sense

BUT GODDAMIT /TG/ CAN WE MAKE THIS WORK?

>>49401016
bretonnians ruin everything.

So the Helves have fought the empire and gotten their asses handed to them. What about elf vs bretcucks?

also
>bretcucks invading athel loren like it will matter.
Ayy, more fertilizers for the trees.

what about brets having a lot of land-warping spells?

say, as the Grail Knights charge, a white stone road appears before them, so they not just ignore terrain, they unmake it, so other knights can ignore that terrain too
if enemies step on those stones, they turn back into terrain again, something like that

or damsels being able to summon (temporary) towers and/or castle walls to protect infantry and funnel enemies into knights' charge path

or some virtue for a knight. cannot join units, rides a horse, but once per game can dismount, replacing his horse with a cool tower that he garrisons alone. as long as he's garrisoning the tower, he gains huge bonuses in combat, yadda-yadda-yadda.

so no matter what shithole the bretonnian army finds itself, its knights still fight among whitestone castles and tall towers.

>>49401497

Full plate knights with something like the Dozer Axe from DeS?

>>49401574
axes are for plebs
A giant lance maybe?

>>49401497
Skybreaker Knights
rare, single model
plate armor, pegasus, lance, yadda-yadda

Shattering Bolt
Bond spell (power 4)
If a Skybreker Knight has moved over a structure in this turn's movement phase, he may call cast this spell upon it. a bolt of lightning splits the sky, reducing the structure to rubble. on a successful cast, roll a die. on 3+ the structure (or a part of a larger structure) is destroyed.

>>49401590

>axes are for plebs
>Common in Bretonnian Heraldry
>Part of the personal heraldry of one of Gilles' legendary companions
>Default weapon on the old pewter bret lord
>For plebs

DOTH THOU HAVE TURNIPS TO HARVEST KNAVE?

>>49401497
>BUT GODDAMIT /TG/ CAN WE MAKE THIS WORK?

Hmm...you'd need some specially designed armour, a team to get the knight up to speed and maybe some sort of blessing from the lady to grant speed, strength and density.

Either turn the knight into a living battering ram, or play the whole 'Walls of Jericho' thing.

>>49401461
>>49401479

What about something derived from Da Vinci's tank design? Remove the guns, make it square instead of round, and build it up a a bit more to resemble a tower. Add arrow loops and spots to use halberds/spears against close enemies, and a heraldry bearing pulpit/fighting platform at the front where a commanding knight can use a lance on the charge or sword and board once struck in.

>>49401700
>a group of knights with horns killing enemies and shattering walls with sound

This is more like it

Ok here are some ideas of actual bretonnians units, to add diversity, if we wanna discuss them. Not done with a specific edition in mind, let's try and see if we can work something adaptable

>Dismounted Knights of the Realm
Special unit, same stats as normal Knights of the Realm. Come in two varieries, either hand weapon/shield or great weapon. They do NOT use pikes or spears because those are paesant weapons

>Warden of the chapel
Hero choice, an old, dismounted Grail Knight with a slightly better stat block, can be bestowed with Lady Blessings and basically works as a BSB giving army wide buffs, much like a Paladin but without mount options. They can on the other hand extend the effect of blessings on the units near them.

>Spirit Knights
Ethereal chivalry unit, the ghosts of past grail knights. One trick pony whose sole purpose is to RAPE undead, daemons and other ethereal units. Not so effective against living enemies.

>ballista
Self explanatory, a shitty version of elven and dwarven ballistas, works out alright

>Penitent knights
Dismounted Grail Knights armed with great weapons, are some kind of Slayer equivalent, but faster and better armored.

>bretonnian poachers/faceless
Skirmisher units, work with bows and have the ambush rule like beastmen

> Bretonnian sword militia
Skirmisher sword and board infantry unit, much like imperial swordsmen. Shitty unit overall, good for flanking and absorbing arrows

Needs work but it's a start

>>49401603
Shit like that is problematic. 9 times out of 10 that is a fairly useless spell, dependent on your terrain. But the moment you play a siege game, this guy becomes a must-have.

>>49401497
>Fuckhuge lance + blasting charge
>Bretonnian warhorse w/earmuffs
>A shitload of faith to the lady

>>49401729
A ranged unit of Bretonnian Knights, who use sonic damage similar to, say, crossbows in damage but a much shorter range - do extra damage against structures.

Carrying horns blessed by the lady? Used to rally their forces as well?

>>49401819
perhaps a lone character with a horn, that main use is to buff the troops but can also destroy walls

>>49401750
let him smite monsters too

basically a guy on a pegasus throwing lightning down on anything big

>>49401743
>Spirit Knights
>Ethereal chivalry unit, the ghosts of past grail knights. One trick pony whose sole purpose is to RAPE undead, daemons and other ethereal units. Not so effective against living enemies.

A unit that can only damage other summoned/ethereal enemies, and can only damaged by them or magic in turn?

Great at harassing enemies or just locking them up as a tar pit.

>>49401743
>Spirit Knights
>Ethereal chivalry unit, the ghosts of past grail knights. One trick pony whose sole purpose is to RAPE undead, daemons and other ethereal units. Not so effective against living enemies.


nah, don't make them a cavalry unit
make them a chariot-base Swarm

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This guy comes to Lothern and slaps your everqueen ass, what to do?

>>49401890
whatever, she's a slut anyway

>>49401872
But brets don't use chariots

>>49401857
Was thinking more likea unit that bypasses some of magic/undead/summoned units strongpoints to gain an edge on them, other than being ethereal.
Like being able to cause Fear to undead, bypassing their immune to psychology rule.

But your idea works as well

>>49401890
That makes him look like he's naked but still wearing the helmet for some reason.

>>49401911
is that attempt at joking? or you seriously didn't understand i meant 50x100mm base?

>>49401927

It's what Alarielle likes in bed.

>>49401890
THIS ACTION HAS MY CONSENT

>>49401927
you just can't imagine what he can do in bed with that metal beak....

>>49401928
I didn't really think about bases when i came up with these. Actually i don't really care about bases at all

>>49401890
does it upgrade her to Everempress?

>>49401890
Ask her what the fuck she's doing outside of Averlorn, if she can disconnect her lips from Tyrion's skinny elf dick for long enough to listen.

>>49402073
Not him, but its kind of important to the concept. A typical swarm is normally on the same size base as an ogre, and represents a pile of small critters. What the other anon is suggesting is a swarm composed of cavalry sized creatures, and stating the size of the Base, since trying to cram 5-6 knights on anew ogre sized based is a stupid idea.

Bretonnia should be able to field a large number of cheap hero units.

Or have demi-hero like units as options for their rare choices.

>>49402331
I have once proposed Grail Knights all be single models with powerful rules. legendary champions riding as a unit makes no sense, really.

>>49402405

Works for me.

Bretonnia should be about fielding large numbers of faceless mook knights backed by a lot of heroes.

>>49402281
LITTLE ELF BOLT THROWERS
BIG HUMAN CANNONS

>>49402441
elf bolt throwers are repeating though
big human cannons are single-shot

>>49402405
If they ride as a unit it should be small, like 3 to 6 at most. Riding fuckhuge horses that make regular Bretonnian warhorses look like warponies. Monstrous Cavalry without the monsters. Choosing from a list of magical upgrades such as magic lances, swords and Virtues.

Virtues should have been a selection on their own, not in addition to magical items. Which is weird because I thought that was the original intention, as Anthony Reynolds, the guy who wrote the Bretonnia book, had too many points allotted to his Lord's magic item allowance. With the Virtue he went over by a good 15 to 20 points, so I assumed that a Lord could take 100 points of magic items and one Virtue. But all FAQ say that the allowance is magic items plus a Virtue.

>>49402489
elfs confirmed for having manginas.

>>49402310
why should they be put on a swarm base then?

>>49402895
It is not, it is put on a chariot base.

>>49403049
the question still stands tho

>>49402895
>>49403061
you mean why should it be a swarm? because it has a very different flavour than single models. because ghosts, especially nameless mythical heroes, work better as swarm of spirits. because it would make a totally badass centrepiece model. because it is cool. because it would be something different.

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>>49399818
Have a better quality pic, lad.

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What would it take for a Dwarf to swear the slayer oath? Apart from him losing his beard.

>>49403405
A crime, or any great shame felt by him and/or his clan/hold

From the various novels i can remember reasons such as falling asleep at guard duty, running away from battle, burglary

>>49403405
wait, won't all the dorf alcohol kill that dude>
looks sharp as fuck though.

>>49401743
>Dismounted Knights of the Realm
A good idea. Should also have the option to upgrade one unit of them to Questing Knights.
>Warden of the Chapel
Just remove how it is mandatory that Paladins and Lords be mounted.
>Spirit Knight
Better as an infantry unit.
>Penitent Knights
I would say that Grail Knights should start on foot instead, and can upgrade to either a horse or pegasus. By relation, one unit of pegasus knights should be able to upgrade to Questing Knights.
>Bretonnian Poachers/Faceless
Not an ambusher, a Scout unit. Add a rare variant whose shooting attack ignores armor saves and a head faceless hero who is a sniper. The brettonian answer to Waywatchers.

>>49403713

I think it's his own alcohol, he was caught drunk on duty and had to guard the dwarf to his mine as a punishment if i remember correctly.

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>>49401743
Are dismounted knights not already a thing?

>>49404059
in older editions and in 9th Age. not in 6th-7th-8th

>>49401743
>peasants
>swords

>>49403405
Reasons can also seem silly or arbitrary to humans. A dwarf might take the oath because a woman rejected him, for example. Or because he got caught shagging an elf.

>>49403405
>tfw when he ain't muttering, he's literally saying "mutter, mutter" because he seen that in human books and being a dwarf cannot understand anything less blunt than a fact

>>49404098
Does 9th age have any youtube videos for it's battle reports?
or any battle reports in general that I can browse?
>>49404728
mass produced swords should be easy to equip even peasants with.
think of them as more like long knives.

>>49404966
lots of them here
http://www.the-ninth-age.com/blog/?s=e47c4f1f5ae4c4bf43aab5430d0b3cb116e1a943

>>49404728
falxes. crude swords made from scythe blades

>>49405013
thanks. any youtubes?

>>49404966
Peasants in Bretonnia aren't allowed to have swords, wrt. Knights of the Grail.

>>49405551
Pilgrims are not peasants?

>>49405651
Grail pilgrims are peasants.

>>49405740
Why they use swords then?

>>49405781
GW forgetting their own lore?

Maybe it's some sort of dodge, "No m'lord, it's a knife, made by the knifemakers, you see - right here."

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>>49400452
I feel like GW was actually intending to do more with them - why else would they give them all those heug models? That's not stuff you use for a defensive force still gathering its strength, but an invading force to conquer the world.

>>49405551
but they can have sabres. falxes. scimitars. falchions. seaxes. gladii. spatas. long knives, for lady's sake.

>>49400083
Yep, that's the one, with the old peasant acting as a squire. Even if the Lady he met was actually a vampire of some sort, which possibly means his brother was a vamp too.

>>49404728
I stated sword and board for short, but you can actually equip them with wathever you like.
It's not like bretonnia has an actual system to arm paesants with mass produced weapons or armor like the empire.

But you raise a good point, so i purpose to change the name to simply Bretonnian levy militia

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>>49401743
Instead of a ballista, why not a catapault like this?

>>49405810
well, that was fuckaswesome Hierotitan model they didn't release. from what we've seen it was kinda epitome of Sphinx/Necropolis Knight style, and I sorta thought it could herald a lot of things.

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>>49406043
FW wanted to make giant scarab.

>>49406220
>"How is work on my great scarab is going, apprentice Anonuf?"
>"High Master Anonhotep, the work is progressing swiftly, but there's a minor setback."
>"What is that?"
>"We've ran out of lapis lazuli to cover the construct's wings."
>"Oh, great Usirian, but we must finish the construct fast! Settra will have my head if we don't! Quickly, use those geometry school blackboards!"

>>49403405

I'm trying to figure out what would make my Dwarf character feel obliged to take the slayer oath if a dire enough situation would happen.

>>49406220
meh, THAT didn't bode well
monsters that can serve as battleground themselves due to sheer size are sorta ridiculous

>>49406293
They should have make warp portal to Macragge to get some ultramarine color.

>>49406300
go to a That DM thread here on /tg/
look for stories where a That DM makes a paladin fall over some bullshit
use that as a guideline

>>49406327
>slaanesh CSM-turned-painter uses ground up space marines from differently coloured chapters as pigment when making dyes
hmm, doesn't sound like a bad idea

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>>49406043
I think they were planning on the Tomb Kings - or maybe just Nagash - having a bigger role in an End Times scenario, maybe since Archaon had flubbed so hard during Storm of Chaos, but then GW did an about face and went 'hey we can have Nagash AND Archaon destroying the world!' But they didn't really give the Tomb Kings any new toys during the End Times, where with Chaos they did.

>>49406790
End Times seemed rushed to me. They had all the tasty Tzeentchy stuff apparently ready, Archaon's old warband (i.e. AoS Varangur), etc - i.e. things that would've made sense to unleash as part of taking over the world - and they just kept them. Could've at least made End Times more epic while there were at it...

>>49406790
They did end times to make aos and use new models in it. Tomb kings would never get anything new.

>>49406300
I am fond of 'not their fault' causes at times.

One of my slayers was a runebearer before he took the oath. A small mining settlement was under attack, and he took more dangerous routes hoping to get there quicker. In his urgency, he injured himself very badly and arrived later than he'd hoped. After he recovered from his wounds he found out that the relief force arrived too late and took the slayer oath, feeling he should've been there to die with his kin. Even if he'd been more conservative he would've been too slow to call for aid, but he still blamed himself for the failure.

Another was an explorer who recovered lost artifacts in abandoned/lost dwarf holds. In one delving, he was recovering that settlement's book of grudges, which had not had its grudges sent back to the master list before it fell. He found the book but dropped it down a chasm while climbing out fleeing cave squigs.

>>49406300

Grudgelore has a story of a youngbeard who brought the head of what he thought was a rat ogre to a bar and started bragging about how he killed it.

The other dwarfs started laughing and told him the head wasn't of a rat ogre, but a skaven female. His embarrassment was enough to make him take the slayer oath, it really can be that simple with dwarfs.

>>49406938
wait, skaven females are just giant rats that make more rats, so, what would presumably be the difference between the two?

>>49406938
Shouldn't he have been even prouder? afterall, Skaven females are rare and every dead one cuts the flow of Skaven (and by extension, rat ogres) by a good chunk

>>49407058
One is actually a good fight, the other is a fat bloated mass that couldn't fight even if it wasn't on drugs all the time.

>>49406790
They had a bigger role than Cathay and Nippon which both got killed offscreen by an Ork from the Old World.

>>49407058
Killing a female has the greater effect on the population.
They do only live a couple of years but shit out thousands of Skaven in that time.

Killing a rat ogre is, well a dead rat ogre.

>>49407372
And Tilea and Estalia got killed off by Skaven, your point? At least they had Dogs of War and mercenaries - Cathay and Nippon didn't have any models or rules. It's like complaining that bumfuck nowhere got killed offscreen - it's not an army or a major part of the lore, so why should we care?

>>49407372
>both got killed offscreen
>>49407418
>Tilea and Estalia got killed off by Skaven
Not in this general. End times did not happen.

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What is this dwarf smoking?

>>49409227
Orc spores

>>49409227
Tobacco or Hobbit Weed

>>49409227
smaller dwarves

>>49407258

It was just that he was wrong. The fact that the other dwarfs were laughing at him about being wrong was embarrassment enough to take the oath. He should be proud, but he was proud for the wrong reasons, at least in his mind.

>>49409227
Elven beards.

>>49409227

PIPE WEED

>>49406300
My longest lasting Slayer character shaved his beard because he survived a last stand. The rest of his clan went down fighting to try and stop their hold falling to Chaos Dwarfs, and he was grievously injured.

After the fight he limped his way to safety and was shamed into shaving his beard by a local thane for not having the decency to die of his wounds like the rest of his family.

>>49405836
I think that was from the anthology 'Tales from the Old World'. Also had Rattenkrieg in it, which is damn near the best Warhammer short story of them all.

>>49411502
Yep, it was actually my first Warhammer Fantasy book. That twist in Rattenkrieg tho.

>>49409847
>b-but Elves don't have beards.
>Not any more they don't.
>Puff puff.

>>49405797
I'd buy the dodge idea. This is the same faction that doesn't hire mercenaries, but has a surprisingly well armed and trained team of shepherds to take care of one sheep.

>>49412424
That sheep sounds like it has it made.

So, what are /wfb/s recommendations for must-read Warhammer novels?

>>49413269
I really enjoyed the Ambassador books. Same with most of the Time of Legends, specifically ones that are three part series. The Sundering was the weakest one, but not bad. Just not nearly as good as the others.

>>49413269
Love time of legends, specifically the undead ones. I would skip/skim the first nagash book. The other 2 are hilarious. Neferata is also pretty interesting.

I also really like some of the end times books, even if that is verboten. The first one is amazing and I enjoy the elf, skaven and final one (untill manfred goes full retard)

>>49413670
I wouldn't say skim the first book, but the constant shifting between time periods does get annoying as it removes the threat of certain characters getting killed if they appear in the 'future'. Had it been more linear I would have liked it more.

>>49409227
Mushrooms.

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At what point did the empire go from these beastly Germanic fuckers to dudes in pajamas? Did they ever have some sort of Roman Empire transition phase or did they go straight from savages tribesmen to the Holy Roman Empire?

>>49414855
The time shifting is very anoying and the depictions are a little inconsistant. And everyones intro is the most embarassing thing ever, especially Arkhan. Hes like the greatest, but that first aperance in the battle scene is so awful

>>49415283
Over a series of hundreds of years. As the Empire got stronger, its people no longer needed to worry about orcs attacking them daily, or beastmen running amok. Altdorf used to be a small village on the Reik, and within a generation it was turned into a fortified and prosperous city. Back when Sigmar was fifteen, he remarked that a man who died at 40 was an old man.

There just less of a reason for you to be Macho Man when you fought in disciplined ranks and technology got better and better.

>>49415283
if we are to go by time of legends, the empire was kinda like the snowniggers that killed europe at that time, with mounted soldiers armed with spears and other fun bits.

It doesn't take too long to go from that kind of technology to gunpowder given that the empire apparently had an oc donut steel character who discovered it himself during sigmar's time.

>>49415361
He didn't discover it, he used samples of dwarf gunpowder but couldn't replicate it properly. Alaric gave him another sample at the end of the series but I doubt anything came of it as there are no gunpowder weapons by the time of 1111 during the Black Plague series.

>>49415392
all it proves is that the guy who wrote the ToL was a fucking hack.

>>49415463
There are at least five different people, that I can think of, who wrote Time of Legends books. When books change authors it generally means things won't always line up, sometimes even in the same series. Master of Dragons shows us that dragon and rider can feel each others pain because they have a mental link together, whereas the next book Curse of the Phoenix Crown translates that into actual physical damage. A dragon's eye is cut by an axe and its rider's eye suffers the same damage.

There's also other things like three characters that show up in two different series, but all die before they could show up in the next book which was written earlier. Or a city still standing but was destroyed in one sentence at the end of another series, which was also written later.

What happens to magically sensitive Bretonnian males after the fae steal them?

>>49415606
They become eternally young boy servants of wood elves.

>>49415606
It's never said. My headcanon is that they're trained to be knights, a la Lancelot, and end up becoming Grail Knights.

Then again, my headcanon also includes peasant children with good physique or wit getting stolen by nobles and claimed to be lost noble children (only nobles could be so smart or valorous), so maybe you shouldn't trust my headcanon.

>>49415621
I'm pretty sure I've read that hentai before.

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>>49415639
>>49415644
Wood elves armybook literally says that.

>>49407682
>Not in this general. End times did not happen
Lmfao are you WHFB players this sad?

>>49415698
What do you play?

>>49415698
Not as sad as someone who replies to a post over 10 hours old just to stir up shit, apparently.

>>49415392
Didn't the empire go through almost 1000 years of golden age expansion where they conquered parts of bretonnia, kislev and the border princes, some dwarf lands, and all the forests aside from the ones the elves lived in? It's amazing to think they did all of that withkut gunpowder weapons

>>49401890
orion probably fucks his little human ass with a massive horse dick.

>>49415720
>Shots fired

>>49415606
they turn into magical elven poo.

>>49415733
Hard to say as it's probably old fluff and there are accounts of the opposite happening. Bretonnia conquering the Empire, pre-Kislev Gospodars tearing shit up to the point where the Tzarina's sword is known as an anti-imperial weapon, and Bretonnia colonizing the Border Princes.

Even without gunpowder, if that stuff were to happen it wouldn't be such a huge accomplishment seeing as how the other human nations weren't founded yet. I also sincerely doubt that the Empire would try to take dwarf lands, as if it were attempted the dwarfs would come down hard on them. Not to mention their relationship, as the Empire and dwarfs have been bros for over a thousand years at that point. With bumps in the road to be sure, but not to the point where the Empire would steal from them without any kind of reprisal.

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>>49415761
>bretonnia conquering the empire
>brets doing anything other than getting BTFO by the empire

>>49415971
Oh Leitdorf, you ol' rapscallion, is there nothing you won't do?

>>49405810
That picture reminds me of something - are there any living people in Nehekhara? I don't mean, like, tomb robbers or anything like that; I'm talking about actual citizens, or servants or whatever.

>>49416133
In older editions there were living citizens in numas, but that seems to be retconned by 8ed. The BRB suggests that Settra plans on enslaving the living people's of the old world and forcing them to rebuild Nehekara to its former glory, but I'm not sure if he's already been in the process of that. Settras great purge was always one of those things that was about to happen, but never did. Settra invading the old world would have been a much better story than Archaon keading the chaos invasion. Or, even better, if Settra could go back to the chaos wastes and BTFO archaon before he even reaches kislev

>>49416133
No, there is no drinkable water in Nehekhara, no crops or animals.

>>49415737
cry more orion
you ain't even a real person.

>>49416484
>pointing out to fictional characters that they are fictional characters
>you're probably a made-up person too.

Nice try, AI. State your laws.

>>49415737
>Implying any person would refuse to have sex with buff elf demigod

>>49416626
How many questing Knights donyounthink ended their quest by getting buttfucked to death by Orion? I'd say a pretty significant amount

>>49416626
>>implying 8 year old boys can consent
How many times did Karl Franz get railed by Orion?

>>49416662
As much as Karl railed Naieth.

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>>49416649
>No, don't kill them! Orion wants them alive!

>>49416692
>>alive
>>arrow to the forehead

>>49416750
>tree niggers
>intelligent

>>49415761
It's still in the wiki. Parts of bretonia were an imperial province. Then civil war happened the land was lost and sometime later bretonia was founded.

>>49415283
The germans did it too.
From blood thirsty warbands that were to hardcore even for the gauls, to buffoon looking Landsknechte who nonetheless be blood thirsty bastards in battle.

>>49416750
>What is lobotomy

They need them alive, not whole.

>>49416512
orion isn't even real in the warhammer fantasy universe.

>>49416823
He's clearly dead, not having a piece of his brain cut out.

>>49416750
yeah duh he's chastising the slut with the bow.

>>49416823
>What is shock
>What is massive cranial trauma

>>49416828
People survived having been shot in the head (See Fallout New Vegas).

Are you doubting the Asrai's surgical marksmanship?

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>>49416692
ORION LUSTS

>>49416854
>People survived having been shot in the head (See Fallout New Vegas).

I know you're trying to make a joke, I just can't figure out why it's supposed to make someone laugh.

>>49416857
Oh look, they are the good guys, doing good guys things!

>>49416828
If they're Still in the process of dying they can Heal them with life magic. How else do you think they keep them alive long enough to not get ripped in half by Orion's massive spear of Kurnous?

>>49416864
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ZimWDeMFEo

I ain't making a joke.

>>49416857
> quickly friends, protect the woman from the Wood Elves!

>>49416873
>implying they didn't tie up that maiden there themselves to lure the Beastmen into an ambush
>implying they won't just rape and eat her themselves
Serious question, do wood elves eat people? I know dark elves do

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Dwarfs are underground

Post Elf qties

>>49416920
Only dryads and treemen eat flesh, dryads even steal asrai kids.

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>>49416920
Its not clear, you have to be careful since in some settings like Elder Scrolls, Wood Elves do eat humans and even other elves, but I guess in Warhammer some do and some dont.

Maybe not out of pleasure like the Dark Elves do, but certainly out of hunger.

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>>49416926
I doubt its WHFB.

>>49416926
>posts galadriel
this kills the boner.

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>>49416926

>>49416888

There's a difference between a bullet and an arrow, you understand?

Instances of people surviving a shot to the head where the bullet actually hit the brain are so rare as to fall into statistical non-existence. A lot of cases of survived headshots are when the bullet bounces off the skull or takes them in the jaw.

For the instance being discussed, we're talking about an arrow being punched through the forehead and logging in the brain.

Bullet impacts are a significantly different wound to arrow impact.

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>>49416926

>>49416952
>>nocauldronofblood/10
>>would not bang

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>>49416926
>Dwarfs are underground

We're always here, lad.

Always.

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>>49416963

>>49416920
>I know dark elves do
wat?

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>>49416975
At this rate, one wonders why they even wear those cloths in the first place. Just go full naked and be done with it.

>>49416954
>an arrow being punched through the forehead and logging in the brain.

And? You don't need much of your brain to live.

>>49417003
they wear armor because they don't want to corrupt the minds of impressionable young dark elfs.

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>>49417024
>armor
Dark Elves do have real armor. Well, fantasy armor.

>>49417003
>And? You don't need much of your brain to live.

A fact you're proving more and more.

People have survived that sort of traumatic events, but they are so rare as to be a statistical impossibility.

If you were trying to capture a knight in the midst of battle, shooting him in the head is not the way you'd do it.

This knight: >>49416692 is certainly dead.

As an aside point - read up on instances like the guy you posted. One of the weirder points you'll find is that these guys don't lose consciousness from the event.

>>49417045
I was talking about morathi's posse.
They are the pillar of dark elf society, and must set an example to dark elf young 'uns.

A sexy, sexy example.

>>49416989
It's confirmed that the elves of Har Ganeth eat people during death night at least. They release a bunch of slaves into the streets to increase the bloodshed and start eating the corpses.

This is the only specific example but seeing that dark elves consider humans to be little more than animals, eating them wouldnt be very shockingly out of character

Gotta remeber, skaven, lizardmen, ogres, halflings, chaos warriors, Greenskins, Giants and beastmen all eat people. Dwarfs eat trolls, so it wouldn't be too weird to see them eat people, and I remember seeing something suggesting that chaos dwaefs aren't against eating other sapient beings

>>49417081
trolls are humanoid animals desu. Its like eating quail or something for the dorfs.

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>>49417000

>>49417081
>halflings
never heard that before.
Pretty sure, if that were true they weren't such popular cooks among humans.

>>49417081
>Dwarfs eat trolls, so it wouldn't be too weird to see them eat people,

It's implied Dwarfs capture trolls and keep them alive to farm them for meat, leather and other assorted resources they can get from them.

But, for all that, most trolls are not sapient. They're dumb beasts. There are a few notable exceptions, but they aren't the norm.

>>49417097
They have varying intelligence, not all are braindead morons. Most are, but there are a few that are just slightly above that and can talk.

>>49417105
so can parrots IRL.

Trolls by and large are not sapient.

>>49417126
>so can parrots IRL.
And there are examples of parrots demonstrating levels of intelligence.

>>49417101
>Troll kept in a butchers dungeon for generations.
>Getting smarter and smarter as time goes by
>Learns Khazalid from it's captors
>'Has the time come again to cut your tithe from my flesh, vitriolic captor? Please, by all means. I am a generous guest and you have been such a notable host. Take what you would have me. Eat of my flesh and grow resplendent.'
>Dwarf butcher needs to see a dwarf psychologist three times a week.
>'I just wish it wouldn't talk as we did it.'

>>49417149
yes, parrots as a species are not sapient.

There might be isolated cases of trolls barely managing to 'speak' but by and large they are dumb and incredibly dangerous animals that are surprisingly amenable to becoming cattle because of their peculiar abilities.

Trolls are like grox in that respect.

>>49417168
>yes, parrots as a species are not sapient.

Depends on which species you're referring to, but many bird species have demonstrated sapience.

The most famous example of this is the African Grey Parrot Alex. But even Magpies have been shown to demonstrate the capacity to recognise themselves.

>There might be isolated cases of trolls barely managing to 'speak'

Like the Troll King who tried to raise his entire species up a few notches on the intelligence ladder?

>Trolls are like grox in that respect.

You're certainly proving this to yourself, at the very least.

>>49417168
>yes, parrots as a species are not sapient.

Sentient: Capable of perceiving the world around them.

Sapient: The ability to act using knowledge, experience and understanding.

A lot of birds exhibit both these traits.

Shit, a lot of animals exhibit both these traits. And humanity is discovering evidence of these traits in more and more species as time goes by and our understanding of what intelligence is increases.

>>49417061
>If you were trying to capture a knight in the midst of battle, shooting him in the head is not the way you'd do it.

Unless you are an elf who knows what he is doing and how to disable a knight by shooting him in the head without killing him. If he was dead, then why is the elf picking him up to safety? Hm?

>>49417212
and going by the definition of the warhammer world, trolls are not intelligent as a species to classify as the latter.

>>49417233
To hang him up by a tree so as to warn others to stop going into the forest? Or he's dropping him. If you wanted to pull someone up you wouldn't really want to hold them up by their clothes when you could reach under their arms.

>>49417205
>Like the Troll King who tried to raise his entire species up a few notches on the intelligence ladder?

Throgg is magically enhanced. Probably by the crown he was wearing. He stated that he felt alone because the rest of his species were so dumb and not given to conversation.

>>49417233
>If he was dead, then why is the elf picking him up to safety? Hm?

1. Hang up as a warning.
2. Trying to retrieve something from the corpse.
3. Getting a trophy of your kill.
4. It could be the other way. He could have grabbed the Knight from his saddle as he passed and another elf could have delivered the kill shot.

>>49417240
Trolls are described as dull-witted. They are also capable of producing simple tools and weapons.

>>49417248
>He stated that he felt alone because the rest of his species were so dumb and not given to conversation.

A perfect example of the level of intelligence of trolls. His kind were capable of conversation, but not given to it. Trolls are probably smarter than dogs but dumber than goblins.

For reference, 1ed trolls had INT - 14 and were subject to Stupidity. Please note that animals as a rule weren't subject to stupidity.

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>>49401890

Laugh my tits off.

>>49405810
The 9th Age should get this artist.

>>49417309
>For reference, 1ed trolls had INT - 14 and were subject to Stupidity. Please note that animals as a rule weren't subject to stupidity.

2ed actually up it to 18.

For reference, a horse has 10 Intelligence, and a starting human has 20+2d10.

So a troll is only 4 points dumber than the dumbest starting human.

>>49416854
>(See Fallout New Vegas)

The bullet hit at an angle that made if bounce off the protagonist's head.

>>49417474
Or his skull, to be more exact. Correcting myself there.

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>>49415283
>>49415361

Remember when we thought this is what the AoS setting would be?

>>49417580

Hey, there's nothing stopping us from using the AoS system to quickly whip up a Warhammer: Time of Legends game.

>>49417580
Or how the 'heavily armoured, holy warriors fighting for their god' was thought to be the Bretonnia update?

>>49407058
>>49407258
One is a flailing, incredibly strong monster of science.

The other is a bloated comatose balloon that shits living creatures.

In the long run sure, was a good thing, but its like bragging you fought mike tyson and won, and then find out it was just a paraplegic crack addict.

>>49415283
Generally, this is a real transition that happends in actual conquerers cultures as well. With the destruction of your enemies, you dont generally say "hmm, everyone should live like roaming nomads!". You take over castles and towns, and get comfy. With that, you usually picked local advisors to help keep the peace, and over time, adpot local tradition. Ghengis Khan adopted alot of chinese tradition, for exmple.

>The Green Knight, Kurt Helborg, Settra, Abhorash, Kroq-Gar, Orion and Korhil will never lead a massive cavalry and chariot charge into the hordes of Chaos as Kroak, Mazdamundi, Teclis, Zacharias, Balthasar Gelt, Ariel, Khatep, the Fay Enchantress and Thorek Ironbrow cast their mystic (and runic) might against the sorcerers of the dark powers

>>49418531
good.

bretonnian cav is overrated.

Quick, /wfb/! Age of Sigmar is starting to sound cool to me! Remind me why it's shit before I spend my paycheck of Stormcast externals!

>>49418572
>>two Bretonnians mentioned
>>overrated lol!
Get fucked.

>>49418576
If you need someone to remind you not to eat dogshit then you have a bigger problem on your hands.

>>49418576
spend them on Khornate BloodBleeders (tm) instead!

>>49418592
>bretonnia
>not supremely overrated.
See >>49415971

>>49418748
Empire is overexposed, like the other races/nations don't matter.

I have been playing a lot of total warhams lately. How often does the empire use Pike and shot tactics?

>>49415664
Kind of a boring answer if you ask me. I know the Wood Elves are supposed to act sort of fae, but they're not fae. They should have better reasons for keeping Bretonnian children - ones with magical talent, I might add - then 'lol we want servants.'

>>49419009
it makes perfect sense from an in universe stand point though.

The elves aare so arrogant that they take magically gifted humans and turn them into little shota servants.

The only reason the empire even has the colleges is because teclis likes humans and acts like one compared to other elves.

>>49419066
>The only reason the empire even has the colleges is because teclis likes humans
On the other hadn the only reason why Empire did not have their own magical tradition was dwarfs:
"magic is bad, m'kay attitude"
Brets are artificially kept behin by elves, Tilea an Estalia don't have enough lore to say what is their stance to magic.

Nehekhara had it own magic, Cathay also have their own lore, plus in Cathay you can worship Changer of Ways without being antisocial dick, which helps.

>>49419168
plus you know, the entire
>magic users are mutants that need to be killed.
thing they had going on.

>>49419186
I always treated it as dwarf influence.
And no all magic users are to be killed.
Divine casters are accepted. And in fluff there are hints that in reality both arcane and divine magic is exactly the same, both priests would never admit it. Also to use divine magic you need to have magic talent in first place and most clergy don't have it.

>>49419239
>Dwarf Wizards

>>49419583
>Dwarf Wizards
You wot m8?

>>49418576
Dude. make your own narrative lmao

and if you are looking for some quick skirmish game, play 40k instead so you get some semblance of balance and actual "strategy"

>>49419168
>Nehekhara had it own magic

Did it?
I thought it came all from Nagash, who learned magic from a captured dark elf

>>49420706
They had divine magic at the very least. Though I think magic wasn't really founded until the Mortuary Cult, and even then that's not much like a modern College. It's more like Bretonnians and their Damsels, only they weren't taught by elves, they just kind of made it work.

>>49419239
Divine magic and arcane magic comes from the same. Source, but humans don't know this. The elves were very amused when the empire priests tried to claim that magic is bad but what they do is fine.

>>49421221
>they just kind of made it work.
So they were able to develop their own magic tradition. Nagash latter combined it with elven one to make necromancy. If it was more in arcane or divine in nature, I'd say there is lack of sources. But form what I remember they were doing it in quite scholarly way in their quest to immortality as in arcane approach.

>>49421800
Source is not up to debate, all magic and miracles are winds of magic. Questionable is if gods actively help priests to cast spell or gods could as well be non-existent and priest's magic would work the same just by their own faith.
It is weaker but safer.

Also in wfrp Empire have it's own tradition in advanced hedge magic (Shades of Empire I think)

And there is Kislev with hags and ice witches.
So if not for dwarf induced prejudice, humans are well capable to develop their own functioning and not that corrupting traditions.
And in the end human developed magic is safer than college one as it does not trigger chaos manifestations but wrath of gods/spirits/ice/whatever

>>49416190
Why not compromise?

Archaon is defeated and dies begging for his life during the Storm of Chaos, everyone thinks it's time to celebrate, then Settra starts his invasion?

>>49422191
I'd guess that most human magic originally comes from divine worship - the Old Faith of primitive humans, early rituals and shamans, that sort of thing. You can see that in Bretonnia, where the Damsels and their magic practice have been neatly incorporated into their faith. Though you could easily argue that places like Kilsev and Bretonnia believe their magic comes from the land.

The Empire ended up with a stronger prejudice against magic, probably because they didn't believe their land was magical like Bretonnia or Kilsev, and would often bear the brunt of Chaos invasions. And they also had Witch hunters to decide what was unclean and what was not, putting hedge wizards into a more dangerous position.

I want Warrior Priests and Celestial Wizards/Kislev Ice Mage in Vermintide.

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How susceptible are greenskins to mutation? Would they be a good candidate for a Moulder experiment?

>>49398519
RIP Games Workshop

>>49422297
I'd rather see Settra smash into the empire at its height, not when they're weakened from fighting off chaos. It kinda just makes him look like a chump who can only beat people after they themselves have taken a beating. I also doubt a post SoC empire would be able to fight off the fully united armies of Nehekara, they'd likely get rekt

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>>49423751
>Rattle rotten skellies ever conquering Empire
>implying high elves and dwarfs and wouldn't back up Empire

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>>49423751
Empire was able to defeat Vlad while being split in three parts.

>>49423958
Took out Tamurkhan and Azhag the Slaughterer in six years, not too long after the Skaven destroyed half of Nuln

Who takes care of a sufficiently important skaven's medical concerns?

>>49423958
>implying that Vlads hordes are comparable at all to the Golden hosts of Settra
We're talking about hundreds of Dynasties worth of Skeletal warriors who actually retain their fighting skills from life, not shambling hordes that are like 98% zombies. The fact that they possess competent ranged troops already makes them more dangerous than the vampires, and thats without mentioning that all of their arrows can twist in midair to seek their victims. On top of all that we have all the animated constructs who are lore wise imperious to just about anything short of magic and artillery.

Besides, the point isn't to have Settra conquer the empire, its just an interesting invasion. The elves and dwarfs would undoubtably help, as would the bretonnians, and they would probably push back Settras forces at great cost. Its just that this scenario works best if the empire is at its height. Post SoC empire would be in no position to fight another massive war, this time against a much more organized and numerous enemy. They *could* win but anything left after that would be quickly taken over by someone like Mannfred

How often do Skaven actually get mutations? Even with their warpstone resistance, it must happen.

>>49424197
The closest engineer I'd guess

>thread already autosaging
>mostly civil conversation of either fluff or WFRP
>zero mention of Endhammer
Feels good to see these threads back to normal, I was getting tired of all the Skubhammer shitposting that was shitting up these threads.

Would you pat a skaven on the head?

>>49424038
Tamurkhans horde was badly gimped by the time it reached Nuln, to the point where a Nuln with most of it's troops away fighting were able to fight off the attack.

Azhag was fighting on the opposite side of the empire so Nulns ruin had no effect on the battle.

Neither of these threats is anywhere close to what Settra would unleash on the empire

>>49424687
Half of Empire population died to plague, still they managed to defeat skaven without gunpowder.

>>49424725
The skaven were already weakened by the wars against Vanhal by the time Manndred drove them back underground. also, Settra>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Skaven, those are vastly different threats

>>49425528
>>49424725
The Skaven were also lower tech then, and of course they're still SKAVEN.

>>49424261
Settra would get gimped by having to fight through the Badlands and the Border Princes. The Tomb Kings unifying and moving north mean every last greenskin putting aside their differences to kick some skelly bonces. Wouldn't be surprised if Grimgor turned up there as well.
The Sylvanians would help out as well, and considering there's probably something in the ancient plaques about "Don't let skellingtons rule everything.", I wouldn't be surprised if Nehekhara got a Saurus host marching up from the Southlands.

>>49425856
Bretonnia would get involved, as would Tilea and Estalia. Kislev might be too dinged up to do much.

Settra invading Empire was proposed for Endhammer a few threads ago. I'm on board.